After a decade of sluggish growth—the slowest productivity gains in 60 years—Australia faces a fundamental question: how does our nation capture the dynamic potential of the 21st century? How do we build an economy that rewards innovation, enables competition, and creates opportunity for all?

This is a conversation with Andrew Leigh about both personal and national productivity.

In the first half of this episode, we dive into Andrew’s personal systems and productivity trade-offs, from four-hour sleep experiments to the art of the strategic No. Then, we zoom out to the national challenge: how do we translate individual excellence into collective prosperity?

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Andrew Leigh is the current Assistant Minister for Productivity, Competition, Charities and Treasury.