David Collard and Kurt Luchs discuss their two recent books: Collard's A Crumpled Swan: Fifty essays about Abigail Parry's 'In the dream of the cold restaurant' (Sagging Meniscus, June 2025) and Luchs' Tributaries: Essays & Verses Flowing From & Celebrating Favorite Poems (Sagging Meniscus, December 2025).