Welcome back to It Was What It Was, the football history podcast. In this week's episode, co-hosts Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper are joined by Michael Grant, Scottish football correspondent for The Times and author of Fergie Rises, to tell the story of how a young Alex Ferguson shattered the Old Firm duopoly and transformed Aberdeen into serial winners.

This Episode was recorded before the dramatic showdown on the final day of the SPL season between Celtic and Hearts, but was this just the start of the Hearts story? Will they continue threatening to break the Rangers-Celtic stranglehold for years to come? Wilson, Draper and Grant trace the remarkable parallels with Ferguson's Aberdeen revolution. They explore how a brash 36-year-old manager, fresh from a humiliating tribunal after being sacked by St Mirren, walked into a club that had nearly been relegated two years earlier and forged a dynasty. Along the way, they examine the clashes on the pitch, the psychological scars of Fergie's playing days, the infamous post-cup final rant that still hurts his players 40 years on. Michael Grant reveals the man behind the myth... volatile, funny, manipulative, and utterly relentless.

00:00 Introduction — Hearts, the Old Firm, and Why Fergie Matters Now

06:30 Aberdeen Before Ferguson — Nearly Relegated

12:45 The St Mirren Sacking and the Tribunal

19:20 The Westhill Willy Biters

27:10 Willie Miller and the Power Struggle

34:50 Breaking the Old Firm's Psychological Hold

42:15 Winning the League — 5-0 at Easter Road

48:00 Knocking on Fergie's Door at 3am

53:40 The Liverpool Humiliation

58:10 Fergie's Fury — The Morning After Anfield

01:03:20 Youth Development and Building a Dynasty

01:09:00 The Infamous 1983 Cup Final Rant

01:14:30 Why the Old Firm Were Vulnerable — and can Hearts Can Do It Again?

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