Welcome back to It Was What It Was, the football history podcast. In this week's episode, co-hosts Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper are joined by Tim Vickery to discuss the extraordinary story of Brazil at the World Cup.

From the ultra-nationalism and hysteria of 1938, to the trauma of the Maracanazo in 1950, and the glorious Pelé years that forged a nation's identity between 1958 and 1970. Vickery traces every Brazilian World Cup campaign.

Drawing on his new book Mundiales, Vickery offers a uniquely South American perspective on how the beautiful game's most celebrated nation has wrestled with myth, race, politics, and tactical evolution across nearly a century of football.

With the 2026 World Cup on the horizon and Carlo Ancelotti now at the helm, can Brazil rediscover their identity, or has the ghost of 1970 become an impossible standard?

00:00 Introduction — Tim Vickery Joins from Rio

06:30 The Myth of Samba Football

13:00 1938, Radio, and Tropical Nationalism

19:30 1950, The Maracanazo and a Nation's Trauma

27:00 1954, The Battle of Bern and Revenge Football

31:30 1958, Meticulous Planning, Pelé, and Redemption

37:20 The Post-1970 Identity Crisis

41:00 1982, Failure and a Lost Midfield Art

47:00 The Domestic Decline of Brazilian Coaching

49:30 Qatar 2022, Were Brazil Really That Far Off?

52:00 Carlo Ancelotti and the 2026 World Cup

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