Craig Campbell speaks with Dan Pena about power, discipline, risk, and the realities of elite performance because success is built through pressure, not comfort. The conversation moves through failure, aggression, military discipline, money, politics, and entrepreneurship because real progress demands hard decisions. Dan Pena explains why most people choose to be liked over being effective and why that mindset limits growth. This discussion strips away motivation myths and exposes what it actually takes to win at scale.

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