1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:04,380 Unknown: Like, hold on, hold on. Let me do this. Would you let me 2 00:00:04,380 --> 00:00:07,560 do this? Let me do this. Where the hell is my freaking intro. 3 00:00:07,620 --> 00:00:07,980 Here it 4 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:17,520 is. This is the mostly Middle Tennessee business podcast. 5 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:20,480 Thank you. Podcast about Middle Tennessee business owners and 6 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:21,380 professionals, 7 00:00:22,460 --> 00:00:25,460 mostly. So you said you got a new gig. Is that? Is that what 8 00:00:25,460 --> 00:00:26,300 you're telling us, 9 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:30,380 oh, I've always wanted to do Foley. Foley is a lot of fun. 10 00:00:30,620 --> 00:00:33,260 It's very much like being a percussionist, yeah. But it also 11 00:00:33,260 --> 00:00:36,740 involves, you know, extreme creativity and using sounds to 12 00:00:36,740 --> 00:00:40,600 create things, which is like a percussion instrument, and you 13 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:44,500 might do things like walk in sand or run or break 14 00:00:44,500 --> 00:00:45,700 watermelons. How 15 00:00:45,700 --> 00:00:47,980 do you it's like, how do you get all those fun sound effects? 16 00:00:47,980 --> 00:00:52,300 That's exactly what I used to do in radio, was creating different 17 00:00:52,300 --> 00:00:54,940 sound effects from other sound effects. So if I wanted the 18 00:00:54,940 --> 00:00:58,600 sound effect of an arm breaking, right? And that's typically 19 00:01:00,100 --> 00:01:01,980 a tree branch breaking, 20 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:05,520 yeah? Remember the lasers and Star Wars were hitting the sides 21 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:08,340 of those, the industrial wires, the guy wires holding up 22 00:01:08,340 --> 00:01:11,040 telephone poles. Yeah. So I've got a friend in Hollywood, 23 00:01:11,220 --> 00:01:14,340 George. He's a great drummer, and he's been doing Foley for 24 00:01:14,820 --> 00:01:17,520 2025, years, and 25 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:21,860 he gets paid to, you know, we need you know, you watch like 26 00:01:21,860 --> 00:01:26,120 the classic scene where Hugh Jackman playing Wolverine, and 27 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:29,780 it's for the movie Logan, yeah, and it's his last it's going up 28 00:01:29,780 --> 00:01:31,820 leading up to the end of the movie, and he's running through 29 00:01:31,820 --> 00:01:35,600 the forest and everything they had to overdub in a studio, his 30 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:39,140 reenactment of screaming and all this other stuff. Yeah, not 31 00:01:39,140 --> 00:01:39,560 crazy. 32 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:42,640 Gotta be perfectly in time. You have to have great timing, like 33 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:45,220 a comedian or a drummer. And so, you know, George is a drummer, 34 00:01:45,220 --> 00:01:48,400 so she makes him I mean, obviously, the funny thing is, 35 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:52,300 is that I'd like to do some Foley, and he wants to jump on a 36 00:01:52,300 --> 00:01:54,820 bus and take the music to the people. The grass is always 37 00:01:54,820 --> 00:01:57,520 greener, isn't it? Isn't it interesting human nature, 38 00:01:57,520 --> 00:02:02,700 dude, when I first met you, and way back when Johnny Rabb was 39 00:02:02,700 --> 00:02:07,080 also a part of the that, like the grouping, I met a lot of 40 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:09,420 drummers around that time, and it was kind of really cool, 41 00:02:09,420 --> 00:02:14,400 because you let it off when we met in 22,008 2008 and then I 42 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:17,160 reached, I don't know, I think I we did your vid SIG, and that 43 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:21,200 led to the front men doing theirs, because I saw what I did 44 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:25,400 with you, and Reggie did his. So I think Johnny Rabb saw it. And 45 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:27,500 those, for those of you are listening, you are listening to 46 00:02:27,500 --> 00:02:29,780 the mostly Middle Tennessee business podcast where we talk 47 00:02:29,780 --> 00:02:32,240 to middle tennis Tennessee business owners, entrepreneurs 48 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:36,260 and people who can't get a word out of their mouth regularly, 49 00:02:36,260 --> 00:02:42,040 regularly, and Rich and I have been friends going on 18 years, 50 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:43,540 I would say at this point, yeah, 51 00:02:43,540 --> 00:02:46,840 cuz we were basing it on your son having his 17th birthday. 52 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:49,780 Yeah, yeah, correct. He doesn't do anything fun, like a pin the 53 00:02:49,780 --> 00:02:50,440 tail on the donkey 54 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:53,260 kind of a thing. No, you 17, you know typically don't do those 55 00:02:53,260 --> 00:02:54,520 things anymore. At 17, 56 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:58,660 you are typically not wanting to hang out with adults. 57 00:02:59,020 --> 00:03:03,360 He's, he's good, he's, he's coming around. He's still kind 58 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:08,220 of like he's 17. You know how it goes. He's, we're going to do 59 00:03:08,220 --> 00:03:10,980 something fun with him. I think tomorrow night, nice, yeah, 60 00:03:10,980 --> 00:03:13,560 because he wants to, you know, have no obligation of school the 61 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:17,160 next day. Don Arturo's, I don't know, whatever he wants to do. 62 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:20,040 We kind of had dinner. He, you know, he wanted Cracker Barrel, 63 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:20,700 because that's 64 00:03:21,420 --> 00:03:25,340 where he works. Here in spring, Hill in, yeah, yep, the 65 00:03:25,340 --> 00:03:28,700 crossings, wow. Okay, so we are doing a podcast tomorrow from 66 00:03:28,700 --> 00:03:34,040 like, probably, like five to 615 or so, yeah, so I'll come crash 67 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:36,320 it. Come say hi to the birthday boy. Let me know where you guys 68 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:38,720 end up. I'll let you, especially if you end up at like, 69 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:40,180 Frankie's, or 70 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:43,360 if we even go out, yeah, we don't like really, mean, we've 71 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:46,000 gone out this past weekend with the most we've ever gone out in 72 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:46,540 a long time. 73 00:03:46,540 --> 00:03:48,460 You guys beefed up your backyard. You You know, 74 00:03:49,900 --> 00:03:53,740 you got the pergola. It's nice. Fire Pit, the grill, the fire 75 00:03:53,740 --> 00:03:55,480 pits, major selling point. 76 00:03:55,480 --> 00:04:00,840 But getting back to, you know, back when I met you, you kind of 77 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:06,780 led that effort into me getting to know like drum heroes, right? 78 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:09,840 Yeah, not that you know, Johnny Rabb wasn't exactly a huge 79 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:13,020 influential drum hero to me, but an amazing drummer, nonetheless, 80 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:17,760 fantastic any innovator, inventor, entrepreneur, author, 81 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:23,120 author, he Geez, you know, amazing teacher. And for those, 82 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:25,760 again, those of you listening, look up Johnny Rabb. Look him up 83 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:28,640 on YouTube. You'll be blown away with his technique and just the 84 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:33,200 stuff he can do on a drum. But he, he said the same thing. He 85 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:36,920 wanted to do more of what you were doing, and you wanted to do 86 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:38,360 more what he was doing in terms of 87 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:41,200 clinics. And we ended up doing that because then following his 88 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:44,020 lead, I was like, Wow, this guy's writing books, and he's a 89 00:04:44,020 --> 00:04:47,560 major clinician, doing that all the time. So I leaned into that 90 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:52,120 and built that, and then he ended up doing less of that, and 91 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:55,180 then getting an awesome gig for, I think, maybe a decade now, 92 00:04:55,180 --> 00:04:57,700 with collective soul, which I cannot even believe, because 93 00:04:57,700 --> 00:05:00,600 that's an amazing song book, that's an amazing body. Work, 94 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:02,700 and you know, they're playing 95 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:09,480 mostly, yeah, that's right, great. Which is the business of 96 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:13,500 musicianship, and specifically drummers these days, you gotta, 97 00:05:13,500 --> 00:05:16,500 you gotta be kind of an octopus. You got to think outside the 98 00:05:16,500 --> 00:05:21,260 box. Because it's funny, since you've come to Nashville in 1997 99 00:05:23,420 --> 00:05:25,460 you're good, Jim, you 100 00:05:28,700 --> 00:05:31,520 did all things you you knew how you didn't really have we 101 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:34,880 didn't. The Internet wasn't as pervasive back then, certainly 102 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:37,940 not social media. Look at him. He's doing Foley again. What 103 00:05:37,940 --> 00:05:38,660 sound is that 104 00:05:40,820 --> 00:05:43,540 could be a shaker and, like, a nine inch nail song, if you 105 00:05:43,540 --> 00:05:46,120 like, like, Lo Fi it, 106 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:49,240 you're kind of doing the, yeah, if you take it out, that's, 107 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:52,600 that's a a filter of sorts, yeah, dropping out the low end 108 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:56,200 and kicking up the high. You know that you're basically 109 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:57,580 opening and closing a top 110 00:05:58,060 --> 00:06:01,440 of a fun facing you, because on my show, I'm usually in this 111 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:03,960 chair, yeah? And I got more of a side angle. I 112 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:06,180 like to have you facing the guest. Yeah, I know this is 113 00:06:06,180 --> 00:06:08,640 great. I'm just the guy chiming in from time to time. I'm the 114 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:08,940 idiot. 115 00:06:10,380 --> 00:06:12,960 You're the robin Howard. 116 00:06:13,260 --> 00:06:17,580 Yeah, that's what I am. You're but back when you started in 117 00:06:17,580 --> 00:06:21,260 1997 things were a lot, a lot different. You know, you had to 118 00:06:21,260 --> 00:06:24,800 actually have demos on CD. I'm pretty sure, did you have 119 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:26,120 cassettes or CDs? Back then 120 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:31,040 I moved to town with 400 cassette demos, rich Redmond 121 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:32,000 drums and percussion, 122 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:34,700 and it's like, right there you were, like, behind the 123 00:06:34,700 --> 00:06:38,300 technological curve, my goodness, because, I mean, were 124 00:06:38,300 --> 00:06:41,080 there people like cassette players are being phased out by, 125 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:46,180 well, quickly, I quickly, yeah, got a bunch of CDs, CDs, and 126 00:06:46,180 --> 00:06:46,480 then you 127 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:51,340 get a DVD reel happening, right? And then before long, you and I 128 00:06:51,340 --> 00:06:55,660 are on MySpace. We're meeting via my space, and then Facebook 129 00:06:55,660 --> 00:06:59,860 opened to the public in 2007 I remember sitting in salmon zo's 130 00:07:00,340 --> 00:07:03,060 The day it opened to the public, and I said, I better get on this 131 00:07:03,060 --> 00:07:05,160 thing. Somebody just told me, get on this. 132 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:08,580 You get on MySpace. You're going to meet Jim McCarthy. Your 133 00:07:08,580 --> 00:07:10,860 life's going to change forever. Well, you have been a great 134 00:07:11,100 --> 00:07:14,580 maybe for the better, maybe for the worst. That's yet to be 135 00:07:14,580 --> 00:07:14,940 seen. I 136 00:07:14,940 --> 00:07:17,880 probably no. I probably stole a lot of either, you know, because 137 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:21,260 you have a, you know, you're a voiceover artist, but you know, 138 00:07:21,260 --> 00:07:25,160 you have guys like Mark Hamill that have like 100 variations 139 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:27,980 on, like, some cartoon voices, and that's his angle, and your 140 00:07:27,980 --> 00:07:32,240 angle is more, you know, sound and radio, softer, hard sales, 141 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:35,480 Monster Truck radio. So, you know, I stole a lot of things 142 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:38,300 from you, like the, you know.com, you know what I mean, 143 00:07:38,300 --> 00:07:42,820 the.com Yeah, the fall offs and the Gary love Vox. Yeah, we did 144 00:07:42,820 --> 00:07:47,380 that back. That's right, we did my last paid voiceover job was 145 00:07:47,380 --> 00:07:51,700 doing a Live Nation tour commercial for Gary levox.com 146 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:53,440 I don't know my last 147 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:56,080 one was, pull it 148 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:58,480 up. You have it on cassette? No, I haven't. 149 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:04,500 It's it's really compelling, great stuff. So much fun. And 150 00:08:04,500 --> 00:08:07,320 you, can you believe? Thank you for calling APCO. We are 151 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:09,600 currently closed. Please leave a message. 152 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:13,020 Is that a hamburger gig, or a steak gig? APCO, I believe is, 153 00:08:14,220 --> 00:08:17,940 oh, it's certainly a hamburger, yeah, but it's steady. 154 00:08:17,940 --> 00:08:23,240 You know, it sounds good. Is getting some nice grass fed 155 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:24,920 beef. And we 156 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:30,020 should probably reference what that means. So grass fed is 157 00:08:30,500 --> 00:08:31,580 hamburger versus steak. 158 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:35,180 Oh God, gotcha, yeah, gotcha in this industry, is that because 159 00:08:35,180 --> 00:08:35,300 you 160 00:08:35,299 --> 00:08:37,639 actually you could, you could probably talk about that, 161 00:08:37,639 --> 00:08:39,919 because in the beginning, getting to what you were you 162 00:08:39,919 --> 00:08:42,879 wanted to do, and getting to your current gig, yeah, you had 163 00:08:42,879 --> 00:08:45,999 to take steak gigs, which were nice when they came along, and 164 00:08:45,999 --> 00:08:49,419 then the hamburger gigs were would add up and pay the bills. 165 00:08:49,479 --> 00:08:50,499 Yeah, right, yeah. 166 00:08:50,500 --> 00:08:53,260 As creatives, you know, we monetize our creativity. And you 167 00:08:53,260 --> 00:08:56,680 know, sometimes you're playing at, you know, Douglas corner 168 00:08:56,680 --> 00:09:01,440 for, you know, $50 and then sometimes you're on the tour bus 169 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:04,260 with a major label artist and their first single is out, and 170 00:09:04,260 --> 00:09:07,860 you're making $500 but you say, we said yes to everything, 171 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:10,800 yeah, because you kind of had to back then, because it was a lot 172 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:14,100 more a lot more difficult to get your name out there and spread 173 00:09:14,100 --> 00:09:18,060 your seed, a lot easier now, with the advent of social media, 174 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:21,560 easier, dare I say you still have to figure out what the 175 00:09:21,560 --> 00:09:25,280 algorithm feels like doing at that particular moment. What 176 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:29,180 hashtags are you using? Is it being collaborated? Is you? Are 177 00:09:29,180 --> 00:09:33,260 you getting people sharing it? What's, you know, what's ticking 178 00:09:33,500 --> 00:09:38,600 the box of the American culture to help them get your stuff out? 179 00:09:38,660 --> 00:09:40,780 You know, that seems to be the biggest question these days, 180 00:09:40,780 --> 00:09:44,260 back then, it was just all about, get your name out there. 181 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:47,740 Yeah, you know, however you can get it out there. So that meant 182 00:09:47,740 --> 00:09:50,980 going down to Broadway. That meant, you know, rubbing out, 183 00:09:51,220 --> 00:09:52,600 rubbing elbows with everybody, 184 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:55,600 crashing parties, going to drummer's hangs, going to 185 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:58,000 writers nights, telling writers that you like their material, 186 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:00,480 giving them a card and saying, Hey, next time you. Do this, 187 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:03,240 I'll bring my cajon or my jimbe, and then, you know, this is 188 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:06,720 Nashville, songwriting capital the world. Songwriters lead the 189 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:10,020 culture here, because without a three chords in the truth and a 190 00:10:10,020 --> 00:10:14,280 story being told, and then there's no need for a drummer, a 191 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:19,320 producer, session musicians, a live band, chefs, social media, 192 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:22,460 managers, day to day to day, managers, labels, none of that 193 00:10:22,460 --> 00:10:26,780 stuff. You gotta have a song first. But no, you know, social 194 00:10:26,780 --> 00:10:30,140 media you can use to open, to crack a door, but then you gotta 195 00:10:30,140 --> 00:10:32,900 walk through that door and try to physically connect with those 196 00:10:32,900 --> 00:10:35,840 people in real life. And that's what I tried to make, make a 197 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:39,320 habit of, like, use social media to create awareness. Yeah, and 198 00:10:39,680 --> 00:10:41,680 then actually, in the real world, 199 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:48,880 hit him up on the DMS, yeah, which is a lot of what I do to 200 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:51,940 get to podcast guests of that nature, starting that 201 00:10:51,940 --> 00:10:57,460 relationship in a very authentic way, very genuine approach. You 202 00:10:57,460 --> 00:11:00,780 know, not like how we get hit up on LinkedIn these days. What's 203 00:11:00,780 --> 00:11:03,840 your LinkedIn game like when you people are inboxing you? Well, I 204 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:06,540 wanted to ask you about LinkedIn because I swear I have been on 205 00:11:06,540 --> 00:11:10,080 LinkedIn for probably 15 or 16 years, and very, very, very 206 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:13,500 rarely. I actually don't even know if I've ever gotten a job 207 00:11:13,500 --> 00:11:16,380 from LinkedIn, but it just seems like it creates awareness, and 208 00:11:16,380 --> 00:11:21,500 then my the expectation is to have one, especially since I'm a 209 00:11:21,500 --> 00:11:25,700 speaker and an author on that side of things, you're expected 210 00:11:25,700 --> 00:11:28,880 to have a LinkedIn page, right? I do better business on the 211 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:30,140 other social platforms, 212 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:33,500 but my inbox in LinkedIn 213 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:39,740 is, Hi, would you like to be in the top 50 people under 60? 214 00:11:39,860 --> 00:11:43,840 Yeah. Thanks for accepting my request. Let me hit you with 215 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:46,780 three pages of my pitch that I'm sure you're going to read, yeah, 216 00:11:46,900 --> 00:11:48,400 because I'm so intriguing, though. 217 00:11:48,460 --> 00:11:51,520 And the fake profiles, you know, from Malaysia, and you're like, 218 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:52,300 I don't know this 219 00:11:52,300 --> 00:11:55,420 person, right? Broken English, do you get the ones that like, 220 00:11:55,420 --> 00:11:58,720 they'll, they'll send you a message, and then a day or two 221 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:00,840 later, Hey, did you get my message? Why aren't you 222 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:03,180 responding? You know that they're like, that aggressive? 223 00:12:03,180 --> 00:12:03,480 Well, you 224 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:05,520 know what's, what's really interesting is like, you know, 225 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:10,320 whenever I am like, I use you as a gage for authenticity, and 226 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:15,660 like to check, to check the gage on potential projects. So I get 227 00:12:15,660 --> 00:12:18,060 hit up all the time for these interesting podcast shows, and 228 00:12:18,060 --> 00:12:22,100 they're like, it's a, it's a Facebook Live podcast that pays 229 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:27,500 $3,000 who's got a budget of $3,000 to pay multiple guests? 230 00:12:27,500 --> 00:12:29,540 Surely, they're trying to scam you and get your bank 231 00:12:29,540 --> 00:12:30,620 information right. 232 00:12:30,620 --> 00:12:33,680 You know, that's good. That's why I said, you know, my advice 233 00:12:33,680 --> 00:12:38,060 was, well, if they have you on and you have to give any sort of 234 00:12:38,060 --> 00:12:41,260 credit card or anything, or hey, you know, we're going to overpay 235 00:12:41,260 --> 00:12:44,020 you and then refund the money. What you know, you just refund 236 00:12:44,020 --> 00:12:44,920 it to us. Yeah, that's 237 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:47,980 giving you. My thing is, I'm just not going to respond, 238 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:52,120 because it just doesn't seem legit. And if I don't know the 239 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:54,880 guest, and I don't know the host, and they don't have much 240 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:56,980 of a following, I can't find much information on them, 241 00:12:56,980 --> 00:12:59,320 they're just going to ask me whatever they want to ask me. 242 00:12:59,380 --> 00:13:02,760 And I want to have a better read on who's asking me questions, 243 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:07,020 because in my line of work, I could be expected to answer on 244 00:13:07,020 --> 00:13:10,260 behalf of a whole host of people that I would not be comfortable 245 00:13:10,260 --> 00:13:11,940 ever talking about, right? You know, 246 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:15,360 right? It makes sense, yeah. But I mean getting going back to our 247 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:20,120 original conversation, getting here, 9798 99 oh, yeah, to now. 248 00:13:20,780 --> 00:13:26,000 You know, with somebody new coming to town, Broadway has 249 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:30,260 become a highly coveted gig. Yeah, so here in Nashville, for 250 00:13:30,260 --> 00:13:32,960 those of you who are listening outside the area, they call it 251 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:36,260 lower broad basically, it's turned into a giant tourist 252 00:13:36,740 --> 00:13:41,200 destination, bachelorettes on pedal taverns. Why am I talking 253 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:41,500 like, 254 00:13:42,100 --> 00:13:43,420 hey, China, China. 255 00:13:45,460 --> 00:13:49,240 Other things, you know, hot tub, busses, a bunch of women on 256 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:53,440 there, and wedding dresses and stuff, wooing away a lot of 257 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:56,260 people. I think that Friday and Saturday nights they shut down 258 00:13:56,260 --> 00:13:57,880 lower, broad, so it's pedestrian 259 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:00,840 only, kind of like Sixth Street in Austin did that for years and 260 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:01,560 years and years. 261 00:14:01,740 --> 00:14:03,960 Yeah, it's a good idea because, I mean, it's attracting more 262 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:06,720 tourists, and it's better for the city Beale Street, but, I 263 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:10,980 mean, those guys, when you came here, Broadway was like stone, 264 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:14,340 but you had to cut your teeth at least be abandoned the window 265 00:14:14,340 --> 00:14:16,980 places to go play. You know how much for the drummer in the 266 00:14:16,980 --> 00:14:19,980 window? You know, I played in Legends with this girl named 267 00:14:19,980 --> 00:14:23,240 Christy cook. And she, of course, wore the super, super, 268 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:27,140 super, super short Daisy Dukes way up high. So, you know, her 269 00:14:27,140 --> 00:14:29,420 cheeks were hanging out. And everybody would pass by, and 270 00:14:29,420 --> 00:14:31,520 they would like, they would come in. It's like, what do you want 271 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:33,800 to hear? You're cheating heart. Tammy Wynette, so it was good. 272 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:36,080 That was good training. And you know, my buddy, Jim Riley, you 273 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:39,620 know, 20 years as the band leader for the rascal flats. You 274 00:14:39,620 --> 00:14:41,740 know, we went, we kind of went to college, into the same 275 00:14:41,740 --> 00:14:44,140 college, and kind of kicked around Dallas together, ended up 276 00:14:44,140 --> 00:14:46,420 in Nashville, and that was just the thing to do. You went you 277 00:14:46,420 --> 00:14:49,600 went down there, you played the song book, you advertised your 278 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:52,900 wares, which was, you know, trying to play nice musical 279 00:14:52,900 --> 00:14:56,080 drums, and hopefully you had a firm handshake, just trying to 280 00:14:56,500 --> 00:14:58,180 shake trees and see what happened. 281 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:01,500 But prior to this, you were in Texas. Dallas in Dallas, right? 282 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:05,760 Amazing music scene. To this day, some of the best cover 283 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:08,520 bands in the world are in Dallas, Texas, because there's 284 00:15:08,580 --> 00:15:12,600 just this incredible host of musicians that go to, you know, 285 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:15,300 the University of North Texas, this small, little sleepy town 286 00:15:15,300 --> 00:15:19,500 Denton, Texas that just cranks out world class musicians, you 287 00:15:19,500 --> 00:15:24,200 know, and those musicians to earn extra money will go work in 288 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:27,200 the Dallas clubs in the evenings, or after graduating, 289 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:30,020 they'll kick around Dallas for a year or two, save some money 290 00:15:30,020 --> 00:15:32,480 before they move to New York, LA or Nashville. And that's kind of 291 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:35,360 what I did, and and I knew that I had to get out of town because 292 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:39,440 I got wind that my professor, Ed Soph was like Redmond's still in 293 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:41,620 town, because I was down in Dallas playing in the club's 294 00:15:41,620 --> 00:15:44,980 killer top 40 band called random access. He's like, Redmond, 295 00:15:44,980 --> 00:15:47,140 still, he's got to get out of here. He's not getting any 296 00:15:47,140 --> 00:15:48,340 younger, you know, 297 00:15:48,820 --> 00:15:52,660 like 23 at the time, 26 yeah, getting any younger for 298 00:15:52,660 --> 00:15:56,140 Coronavirus, yeah. But 26 becomes 30, really fast. Oh, 299 00:15:56,140 --> 00:15:59,560 yeah, as we all know. But you know, you you come to town from 300 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:02,400 that situation, because I played in cover bands in Connecticut, 301 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:04,980 yeah, and I think we talked about, I mean, what did you get 302 00:16:04,980 --> 00:16:06,660 for a gig in Dallas, on average? 303 00:16:06,780 --> 00:16:07,920 Back then, in 1995 304 00:16:09,900 --> 00:16:14,580 the nightclubs paid 75 or 80 bucks, a man, a man. And then 305 00:16:14,580 --> 00:16:16,680 that's for how long, for corporate parties would pay 306 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:21,560 about 150 $175 and you have a chance at, you know, getting a 307 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:24,380 slice of, you know, the bachelor cake, the Groom's Cake, right? 308 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:27,680 And then some shrimp, maybe some greasy tortellini. But you're 309 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:31,100 talking about five, six hours of working, oh, yeah, because the 310 00:16:31,100 --> 00:16:34,100 nightclubs, you'd have to load in in the afternoon, so that 311 00:16:34,100 --> 00:16:37,640 kind of ate up your whole day. You'd have to go before the 312 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:41,860 dinner crowd, set up your kit, and then the then the Nike. The 313 00:16:41,860 --> 00:16:46,900 gig would be from like, 10 to two. Oh, wow, late night. And 314 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:49,840 then after, after you break down your drums and kibbutz and high 315 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:53,380 five and make your money, and then drive home, you know, it 316 00:16:53,380 --> 00:16:55,900 took everything in your power not to stop at the Whataburger, 317 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:58,840 yeah, you know. And then you're in bed by four in the morning. 318 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:00,900 And then I might have a music theory class at eight in the 319 00:17:00,900 --> 00:17:04,320 morning. That's a 12 hour day. It's a long day to make, so if 320 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:08,880 you start crunching 80 bucks. So what was I making? $8 an hour, 321 00:17:09,180 --> 00:17:12,960 $7 an hour, yeah, but it wasn't about the money. It was about 322 00:17:13,620 --> 00:17:16,680 the 1000s. It was about the experience that was leading to 323 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:19,200 the 10s of 1000s of hours of experience. Connecticut. 324 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:22,820 Dude, we got paid. I think I think I made 175 325 00:17:24,079 --> 00:17:28,699 to 225 on average in a cover band. Yeah, just outside of New 326 00:17:28,699 --> 00:17:28,999 York. 327 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:31,820 Maybe it was saturated in Dallas. So the musicians were 328 00:17:32,180 --> 00:17:35,060 plus, I will say that that's true. A lot of the nightclubs 329 00:17:35,060 --> 00:17:40,040 there had live music seven nights a week, yeah, from 10 to 330 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:43,540 two, right? You know. So you bait a lot of competition, and 331 00:17:43,540 --> 00:17:46,480 then big, you know, charismatic churches, you know, I played in 332 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:48,640 Robert tilton's House bands. You know, the guy that spoke in 333 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:52,960 tongues on TV. I was in his band. There was jazz brunches, 334 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:55,360 there'd be Wednesday night church services. There'd be some 335 00:17:55,360 --> 00:17:57,700 killer big bands in Dallas, the Dallas jazz orchestra, the 336 00:17:57,700 --> 00:18:01,560 collection Jazz Orchestra, cool rooms like strictly taboo, where 337 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:06,900 you would play cool smooth jazz, you know, like Kenny G and Jeff 338 00:18:06,900 --> 00:18:11,520 Lorber fusion. And it was a really cool scene. There was, 339 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:14,820 like a soul funk scene. There was this original music thing 340 00:18:14,820 --> 00:18:17,640 happening down in Deep Ellum. There's a section of town called 341 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:21,140 Deep Ellum where, like Edie Bucha and the new Bohemians were 342 00:18:21,140 --> 00:18:23,720 kind of formed. So Dallas is always going to have a great 343 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:27,860 music scene because of the the the schools that are in the 344 00:18:27,860 --> 00:18:30,620 area, just like Nashville. Nashville, we got TCU, we got 345 00:18:30,620 --> 00:18:35,000 MTSU, we got Vandy, we got Belmont. We got, it's a whole 346 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:38,120 three school of rocks. We got two Bucha rocks. We got, it's 347 00:18:38,120 --> 00:18:39,260 just a music 348 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:43,300 intensive city, yeah. So you got a lot of competition here, 349 00:18:43,360 --> 00:18:46,600 totally. But the funny thing is, you know, you met my brother 350 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:49,480 this past weekend. We hung out for a bit. He's like, I just 351 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:52,000 don't like the whole notion of, you know, if I were to move 352 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:55,000 here, and he's an experienced, seasoned musician, piano player, 353 00:18:56,380 --> 00:18:58,840 getting on Broadway and begging for money. And I'm like, But 354 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:01,260 dude, you know, you're in a different a lot of these are 355 00:19:01,260 --> 00:19:08,520 people trying to get broken into the business and find a cool day 356 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:10,920 job. He's a lawyer. He's a lawyer, and he can, he could pay 357 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:13,200 his bills. And I'm like, you could do this, like, literally, 358 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:17,280 as a leisurely hobby. He's like, TMZ Harvey, right? I'm a lawyer, 359 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:21,020 right? Yeah. And maybe I should, even, you know, be a lawyer for 360 00:19:21,020 --> 00:19:24,020 the industry itself. Yeah, give him a fresh pair of eyes. But 361 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:28,940 it sounds like he's got another chapter and city planned. 362 00:19:29,300 --> 00:19:31,340 Yeah, he's kind of looking towards different, you know, 363 00:19:31,340 --> 00:19:34,520 Southern cities. I told him that he's going to be a halfback. He 364 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:36,500 goes, What's a half pack? I said, all the people from, like, 365 00:19:36,500 --> 00:19:39,260 northern states, I think Florida is great. And then they realize 366 00:19:39,260 --> 00:19:41,680 they get down there, they're there for six months, and this 367 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:44,920 is a place better visited than lived. And then they make their 368 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:47,440 way halfway back to North Carolina. Or interesting, 369 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:50,200 yeah, because my parents have been in Florida for a very long 370 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:52,060 time. They went down there to take care of my aging 371 00:19:52,060 --> 00:19:55,240 grandparents and but that makes sense for them. Just stayed, 372 00:19:55,360 --> 00:19:57,820 yeah. I mean, you get the vitamin D. It's wonderful. You 373 00:19:57,820 --> 00:20:02,040 can't go outside in the month of July. Lie in Florida, and, you 374 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:06,300 know, you've got mosquitoes and gators. You know, gators is kind 375 00:20:06,300 --> 00:20:08,400 of fun, you know, because it's like, wow, it's just like, 376 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:11,700 dinosaurs are still roaming among us. But they also have 377 00:20:11,700 --> 00:20:14,100 these things called the no see UMS. There's these little 378 00:20:14,100 --> 00:20:17,160 annoying bugs that make sitting outside and enjoying the 379 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:20,300 outdoors, like, nearly impossible. Really, you got to, 380 00:20:20,300 --> 00:20:25,640 just, like, cover yourself with, you know, off, to just exist in 381 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:26,120 Florida. 382 00:20:26,120 --> 00:20:30,080 So, yeah, he's looking towards Florida, which I told him, I 383 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:32,240 said, you're going to be a half back. Yeah, you're gonna, you're 384 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:35,120 gonna be over it in three to six months. Or you could just bypass 385 00:20:35,120 --> 00:20:38,240 all that and move here with your little brother and, you know, 386 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:40,960 we're the only family we have left of each other. Let's, let's 387 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:44,860 hang out, man, let's make it. Let's work together and buy a 388 00:20:44,860 --> 00:20:49,060 place in Florida that we can go to and share. We could visit on 389 00:20:49,060 --> 00:20:49,540 a regular 390 00:20:49,540 --> 00:20:52,000 Well, Jim, you're very persuasive. And maybe he'll, 391 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:53,620 hopefully he'd the call, but he was all, 392 00:20:53,620 --> 00:20:56,020 he was kind of like, up, and he's like, I just don't want to 393 00:20:56,020 --> 00:20:57,460 pass a bucket around on Broadway. 394 00:20:57,460 --> 00:20:59,800 And he doesn't have to do that. Hey, believe me, if I ever 395 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:02,520 played blower Broadway again, I would hopefully curate the 396 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:05,580 playlist, curate the musicians, and we would get an attractive 397 00:21:05,580 --> 00:21:09,000 woman to go, like, with the bucket, right? I would never do 398 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:12,840 that. It's almost, it's almost like patreon.com you and I can 399 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:16,560 have patreon.com on our podcast, but it seems like we're just 400 00:21:17,220 --> 00:21:19,440 patronizing. We're just why they call it 401 00:21:19,620 --> 00:21:22,880 Patreon, yes, but you know, it's, in a way, it's not really 402 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:26,120 patronizing. You're saying, Hey, we're not funding anything. 403 00:21:26,120 --> 00:21:28,340 We're not being funded by anybody. We're not you don't 404 00:21:28,340 --> 00:21:30,920 hear any commercials on this thing? Yeah? Help us support 405 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:36,860 it. Well, the most common pitch on that angle is a this thing 406 00:21:36,860 --> 00:21:40,340 requires massive amounts of work and our time, so please help us 407 00:21:40,340 --> 00:21:41,500 out. Right? Yeah, that's a 408 00:21:41,500 --> 00:21:44,380 good pitch. Yeah, getting back the whole Broadway thing, yeah, 409 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:48,640 when you came here, it was a ghost town, kind of like a pain 410 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:50,800 in the butt, I guess to, you know, well, I guess I'll do it. 411 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:53,020 You know, it sounds really, you had to really. You were working 412 00:21:53,020 --> 00:21:54,100 for peanuts at that point, 413 00:21:54,100 --> 00:21:57,340 but no how we were excited to do it. Jim and the parking was 414 00:21:57,340 --> 00:22:00,160 free. I would park way up at the church on the top of Broadway, 415 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:02,520 right, right, right by the Bridgestone. And I had a little 416 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:04,980 rock and roller cart with my cymbals and my pedal and my 417 00:22:04,980 --> 00:22:08,040 snare drum and my sticks and then my tools and parts, just 418 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:10,380 because, you know, the wing nuts and everything would be walking 419 00:22:10,380 --> 00:22:13,560 away all the time. You go on, go down there. You get down there 420 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:16,920 early, you set up. You just ready for anything. You're just 421 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:20,280 in your I mean, what? This was an amazing time. 422 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:23,240 Do you remember like really being in the moment then and 423 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:26,600 saying, I need to enjoy this? Were you cognizant of that? 424 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:30,080 Absolutely not really, because you were always looking forward 425 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:31,040 to the next thing, and 426 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:34,100 that's, that's our that's our disease. In the human condition, 427 00:22:34,700 --> 00:22:42,220 you have to really be self aware and have just some, just some 428 00:22:42,220 --> 00:22:46,420 spiritual training to like, you know, know that, hey, life goes 429 00:22:46,420 --> 00:22:51,160 by fast, and there's only one now. So I should just enjoy 430 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,500 this. No matter what is happening. I'm enjoying the heck 431 00:22:53,500 --> 00:22:56,560 out of this sparkling ice. I'm sure it's filled with aspartame, 432 00:22:56,740 --> 00:22:58,960 but like, I'm just enjoying this. I'm enjoying this time 433 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:03,540 together. And, you know, we're, we're here now, now we look at 434 00:23:03,540 --> 00:23:05,880 it that way, but back then, no, you're like, Dude, I gotta make 435 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:07,860 something myself. Oh my god, I'm out the 436 00:23:07,860 --> 00:23:10,320 rush. It's like, oh my god, I gotta get it done. I gotta get 437 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:12,840 done. I remember that being like that in radio. Yeah, I spent 438 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:15,600 three years at i 95 I need, I gotta find, I gotta move on. 439 00:23:15,780 --> 00:23:19,740 It's time. I gotta move. I gotta show that I'm, you know, making 440 00:23:19,740 --> 00:23:22,220 moves and moving up the ladder and get a gig, and 441 00:23:22,220 --> 00:23:24,800 then you want a better gig, and you want to gig that has more 442 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:27,260 dates, and gig has more visibility, and then a gig that 443 00:23:27,260 --> 00:23:30,740 pays better, and go, my God, I need a gig where they have w2 so 444 00:23:30,740 --> 00:23:33,080 I can buy a house. And then, you know, and 445 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:36,680 then you all of a sudden, you, you've had a couple of different 446 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:40,100 you were, you backed some pretty big artists. Yeah, the biggest 447 00:23:40,100 --> 00:23:44,320 one to date had was a seven year play, which I find out, like we 448 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:46,660 just, you know, we've had on the other podcast I produced. We had 449 00:23:46,660 --> 00:23:49,420 Michael Knox, the producer for Mr. Aldean. That was a great 450 00:23:49,420 --> 00:23:51,940 episode. Did you listen to that one? Yeah. And I texted Michael 451 00:23:51,940 --> 00:23:54,520 afterwards, and I said, I just wanted to thank you again. And 452 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:57,460 then a couple of days later, I saw him because he had basically 453 00:23:57,460 --> 00:24:00,540 hired al Dean's band to come and play on this new kids record. 454 00:24:00,540 --> 00:24:04,560 Tim Dunc, Tim Duggar on curb records, yeah, it's always great 455 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:06,900 to have that team together, but that team wouldn't be together 456 00:24:06,900 --> 00:24:09,300 unless, you know, there wasn't a Michael Knox to, you know, 457 00:24:09,300 --> 00:24:10,500 believe in everybody. The 458 00:24:10,500 --> 00:24:13,980 vision that guy must have had, and the tenacity, that's what 459 00:24:13,980 --> 00:24:17,040 I'd love to have and talk to him about on this podcast, if he's 460 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:20,660 listening, is that, look, I want to know about the days you woke 461 00:24:20,660 --> 00:24:21,980 up and you wanted to quit. I'm 462 00:24:22,460 --> 00:24:24,800 supposed to connect you guys. So, yeah, good. I forgot it's on 463 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:25,640 my to do list. I 464 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:28,280 mean that that that is interesting to me, but I keep on 465 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:31,820 like, tangent city right now. It's funny because Broadway, 466 00:24:31,820 --> 00:24:35,180 getting back to Broadway in the beginning, you were excited to 467 00:24:35,180 --> 00:24:38,300 do it, and the excitement kind of compensated for the lack of 468 00:24:38,300 --> 00:24:41,080 compensation. Because I remember what that felt like in radio. It 469 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:43,300 was like Courtney and I were talking about it the other 470 00:24:43,300 --> 00:24:46,120 night. I said it wasn't a great paying gig, but man, the 471 00:24:46,120 --> 00:24:49,060 experiences we had, you know, the people we met and all the 472 00:24:49,060 --> 00:24:52,660 fun things we were able to do were great for that time in our 473 00:24:52,660 --> 00:24:55,480 life, until we finally had to get serious and make some real 474 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:59,500 money. But for you, I guess it was kind of similar, because now 475 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:03,720 you. Broadway is extremely like, you really, you're gonna be 476 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:06,780 excited if you got a gig on Broadway. Now, I think, because 477 00:25:06,780 --> 00:25:10,080 it pays so much better, there's so many more people down 478 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:13,980 there, it's just exciting down there, you know, like, I don't 479 00:25:13,980 --> 00:25:17,040 make a habit of going down there, and usually, unless I 480 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,800 have out of towners, and we'll go honky Tonkin, and we'll make 481 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,160 a day of it. And I'm definitely going to go to laylas. I'm 482 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,800 definitely going to go to Roberts. There's, like, certain, 483 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:28,340 certain spots where I just like, wow, this is just, I mean, 484 00:25:28,340 --> 00:25:30,680 Robert's western world is the greatest Honky Tonk on the 485 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:31,160 planet. 486 00:25:31,220 --> 00:25:33,740 20 years in this town, I've never stepped foot in that. 487 00:25:33,740 --> 00:25:35,840 We're going to go, we should go. 488 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:39,320 We'll get, we'll get our fried bologna sandwich with the, you 489 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:43,000 know, the crinkle fries and a Coors originally serve food 490 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:45,280 there, I guess they do. Yeah, really good food. There's like, 491 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:48,940 a short order guy, really, yeah, it's like a greasy burger. We'll 492 00:25:48,940 --> 00:25:50,440 have to go. It's dirt cheap, 493 00:25:51,700 --> 00:25:54,340 you know. Yeah, that sounds appealing. Now, we probably 494 00:25:54,340 --> 00:25:56,500 should have done that this past Sunday with my brother. Oh, 495 00:25:56,500 --> 00:25:58,600 they would have, because it's literally, like walking back 496 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:00,360 into 1955 Yeah, a 497 00:26:00,360 --> 00:26:04,860 lot of the old school country you're going to hear is 498 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:09,300 in that tootsies, tootsies, tootsies is the only room I have 499 00:26:09,300 --> 00:26:12,120 an old school room. I've never played in Nashville, in the 500 00:26:12,120 --> 00:26:14,340 front room. I've played in the back room or from the front 501 00:26:14,340 --> 00:26:16,380 room, where you're like, right in that little, tiny, little 502 00:26:16,380 --> 00:26:20,420 window. Haven't, haven't done that, really, haven't 503 00:26:20,420 --> 00:26:22,820 even sat in there ever. You've never played toads place either. 504 00:26:22,820 --> 00:26:23,000 And 505 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,040 I have, I know, buddy, it's amazing, 506 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,900 right by Yale University. Who knows Yale's got a school of 507 00:26:29,900 --> 00:26:32,240 music. Maybe I'll do a clinic there. I think it's very 508 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:37,220 classical, you know, right? I don't know if they have a jazz 509 00:26:37,220 --> 00:26:37,760 program, 510 00:26:37,820 --> 00:26:40,460 but you always had a bucket list. You knew exactly what you 511 00:26:40,460 --> 00:26:44,980 wanted to do, you know, again, Broadway is a different beast. 512 00:26:44,980 --> 00:26:48,820 Now for those people coming in, still a good place to kind of 513 00:26:48,820 --> 00:26:52,720 shake hands and kiss babies, rub elbows with other music industry 514 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:54,940 types, I would think, but probably a lot more tourists, 515 00:26:54,940 --> 00:26:57,880 yeah, but don't, also, don't make a career out of it, yeah, 516 00:26:57,880 --> 00:26:59,560 you know, I mean, don't, don't, don't, 517 00:26:59,740 --> 00:27:02,700 you know, I'd be fine. You know, if we did a, if I did a gig at, 518 00:27:02,700 --> 00:27:05,220 you know, I kind of whatever I felt like doing it, maybe a 519 00:27:05,220 --> 00:27:07,560 Sunday afternoon, and I knew the songs I would do it. It's like, 520 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,560 it's not important for me as a drummer right now to be doing 521 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:14,760 what you do, you know, yeah, it's just, I tell people, I 522 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,160 said, I'm glad I met you, because it's not really, I'm not 523 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,540 sure if it was a life I would, I would be matched for. Oh, 524 00:27:20,540 --> 00:27:23,420 yeah, you were telling me you didn't necessarily want to wake 525 00:27:23,420 --> 00:27:25,700 up in a different city every day. And there's something to me 526 00:27:25,700 --> 00:27:28,220 is like, I love there's like a troubadour in me, you know, I 527 00:27:28,220 --> 00:27:31,040 don't necessarily have a guitar strapped to my back and I'm 528 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:34,460 walking down the railroad tracks to the next gig, you know, but 529 00:27:34,580 --> 00:27:38,000 the idea of, you know, getting on a bus with my friends and we 530 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,660 play some great music, and then wake up in another city The next 531 00:27:40,660 --> 00:27:43,300 morning, and, you know, there's a chef inside. He and I said, 532 00:27:43,300 --> 00:27:46,120 Can I get, you know, three over medium eggs? And he makes them 533 00:27:46,120 --> 00:27:49,360 for me. I mean, I kind of like it. What's an over medium egg? 534 00:27:50,260 --> 00:27:52,900 Over medium is where the whites are done completely, but you can 535 00:27:52,900 --> 00:27:53,500 still crack the 536 00:27:53,500 --> 00:27:57,400 yellow. Oh, okay, yeah, isn't that kind of like over easy? No, 537 00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,800 over easy. There might be some white slime. That's 538 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:03,360 not okay. And it's the same guy every day, and he knows 539 00:28:03,360 --> 00:28:06,720 exactly now it's different. We have carried caterers with us, 540 00:28:06,900 --> 00:28:10,080 but we have realized that for some reason, sometimes the 541 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:14,220 quality control is better having a different chef in every city, 542 00:28:14,220 --> 00:28:16,440 because they're just trying to impress you for that one. 543 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:20,700 Oh, wow. Good strategy. Interesting. Yeah. So they show 544 00:28:20,700 --> 00:28:23,360 up. Tell me about, like, a day you're out on you're going to be 545 00:28:23,360 --> 00:28:26,420 on tour in a couple of weeks. Can wait for the big summer 546 00:28:26,420 --> 00:28:30,740 tour. Yep. What's you get out there? You know, you get, you 547 00:28:30,740 --> 00:28:34,700 have bus call at night. What's your what do you do? You get on 548 00:28:34,700 --> 00:28:35,960 there. You just kind of hang out. 549 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,720 And so we meet at the Walmart Supercenter, yeah. And then, you 550 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,140 know, you get out of your bus, you load your luggage into the 551 00:28:41,140 --> 00:28:43,840 car. You hang your, you know, your your your show shirts in 552 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,540 the back curtain. You set up your little bunk, plug in your 553 00:28:46,660 --> 00:28:49,600 plug in your iPhone. You set up your little world. You take your 554 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,840 shoes off. You know your space, yeah, it's our little on the 555 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,300 submarine. You know that your coffin, your little coffin, 556 00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:58,360 right? And it's, it's a very I love it. Some guys don't like 557 00:28:58,360 --> 00:28:58,540 it. 558 00:28:58,540 --> 00:29:01,920 What if you have a CPAP? Anybody have a CPAP on the bus? Not yet? 559 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:05,340 No. Where do you put the CPAP if you have that would be so bad. 560 00:29:08,340 --> 00:29:12,420 Seriously, I'd be hanging out in the hallway, or it'd be pushed 561 00:29:12,420 --> 00:29:16,080 up against the wall of the bus. It'd be very uncommon. There's 562 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:19,620 no nightstands next to your bed? No, yeah. It's as you it's body 563 00:29:19,620 --> 00:29:20,040 size. 564 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,160 Yeah. So, you know, you kibbutz with everybody, catch up with 565 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:25,400 everybody. You know, the you know, and you know, we're My 566 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,800 guys are older now, and they got kids, and they're used to 567 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:29,780 getting up at six in the morning, so they might be right 568 00:29:29,780 --> 00:29:32,780 in the bunk immediately, right? You know, sleeping. But I might 569 00:29:32,780 --> 00:29:35,180 have to wind down a little bit. I might have to watch a scary 570 00:29:35,180 --> 00:29:37,400 movie on the satellite. And hopefully, you know, the the 571 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,420 buffering and everything is good, because it is a satellite, 572 00:29:40,420 --> 00:29:42,520 and sometimes you'll, like, get a glitch. And it's the most 573 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:44,920 incredible part, all right? This is where the chest bursters 574 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,920 coming out, and then it just just pixelates, and then it 575 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,440 freezes there, and then five miles down the road, it comes on 576 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:50,980 again. Oh, 577 00:29:50,980 --> 00:29:54,100 good, yeah, it's rough. So you're out in the general area 578 00:29:54,100 --> 00:29:57,520 watching TV on the sofa, whatever, and just rolling down, 579 00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:00,120 or am I going to my bunk and getting my iPad, and then I. Of 580 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,820 course, you can download things from Netflix and, yeah, all 581 00:30:02,820 --> 00:30:05,340 that. So I might do the thing with the ears and the iPad. I 582 00:30:05,340 --> 00:30:08,640 mean, it's, it's, it's easy living man, you know. And then, 583 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,280 you know, set my alarm for the next day. All right, typically, 584 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:14,340 is what we're gonna wake up and say, We're gonna wake up in 585 00:30:14,340 --> 00:30:17,160 North Carolina, the bus is gonna, you look at your mileage, 586 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:20,120 oh, the bus is gonna pull in around 730 in the morning. I'm 587 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:23,240 gonna, let's see, it's one o'clock now. I'm gonna get up at 588 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:25,760 9am right? Because, really, I don't have to do anything until 589 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,700 sound check at three in the afternoon, right? Johnny's got 590 00:30:28,700 --> 00:30:31,160 my back, setting up the drums and all that kind of stuff. So 591 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:33,680 the first thing I'll do as I get up, I probably go and get some 592 00:30:34,100 --> 00:30:37,400 get some eggs to order, and then I'm off to the gym somewhere. 593 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,960 But if we're in the middle of nowhere festival, I carry in the 594 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:45,820 bay of the bus, a weight bench, weights, a Bosu bands, jump 595 00:30:45,820 --> 00:30:48,280 ropes, all the stuff to make a little mobile gym. And I got a 596 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:51,700 little Bluetooth player, and I get my Gatorade zero and a bunch 597 00:30:51,700 --> 00:30:54,220 of cold waters, and kind of give it hell. Get that out of the 598 00:30:54,220 --> 00:30:59,380 way. Shower up, maybe go break bread, lunch with somebody. Of 599 00:30:59,380 --> 00:31:02,340 course, I've got this wonderful street team of people around the 600 00:31:02,340 --> 00:31:04,920 nation who I've met for all these 20 plus years of touring. 601 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,020 So they remember, like, hey, Redmond, I see you're gonna be 602 00:31:07,020 --> 00:31:09,360 in town tomorrow. I'm gonna All right, so I'll pull on at 730 603 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:11,580 come pick me up at, you know, 10am they pick me up and they 604 00:31:11,580 --> 00:31:14,820 take me to the nice coffee shop. We go get some coffee shop food. 605 00:31:14,820 --> 00:31:19,560 A big fan of coffee shop food, and catch up with that person. 606 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:26,300 They drop me off at the venue, we do the sound check. Then, you 607 00:31:26,300 --> 00:31:28,520 know, break bread with the band. We have the thing called the 501 608 00:31:28,940 --> 00:31:32,480 club. So at 501 we all go in, we try to break bread together as 609 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,120 our little road family, and it's just time together. And then 610 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,400 it's time to shower and such. And then we have an acoustic 611 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,360 show. You're showering twice a day, sometimes three times a 612 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:45,580 day, really, yeah. And then we go ask that question. We do an 613 00:31:45,580 --> 00:31:48,640 acoustic show, yeah, for these, for the VIP high rollers, they 614 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:52,360 pay a little extra money, and they'll get to see Jason answer 615 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:55,180 four or five questions, and us play three songs, and I have 616 00:31:55,180 --> 00:31:58,060 this little cajon rig that I can play with my hands and a pedal 617 00:31:58,060 --> 00:32:00,460 and sticks and brushes and stuff. And it's kind of really 618 00:32:00,460 --> 00:32:04,740 fun. And then that brings us to about 7:45pm I get the sticks in 619 00:32:04,740 --> 00:32:07,680 my hands, and it's more kibitzing, and potentially walk 620 00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:11,280 watching the opening acts at the beginning of the tour. I always 621 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:13,920 like to take pictures and video of the opening act. Drummers. 622 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:16,680 Just let them know. Hey, man, we got solidarity. I got your back. 623 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,440 I'll get some videos of you that you can use on the socials. 624 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:23,600 Maybe you'll do the same for me. Yeah, go out there, do our show. 625 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,240 After the show, you get off stage at 11pm you're drenched in 626 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:29,120 sweat. Definitely time for another shower. It'd be cool 627 00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:31,880 down with the guys a bit. You know, we're cutting it's a lot 628 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:36,020 of very social life, yeah, highly social, you know. 629 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:39,440 And do the same thing again in a different city, they do the same 630 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:40,040 thing again. But 631 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,880 maybe I have a clinic. Maybe it's a Saturday, right, and 632 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:47,080 they're picking me up at 9am and then it's 45 minutes away the 633 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:50,740 drum shop or the high school or wherever is 45 minutes away. And 634 00:32:50,740 --> 00:32:53,140 then hopefully, you know, I send them a nice little writer that 635 00:32:53,140 --> 00:32:56,860 says, I like these drums. I let them set set up this way. I like 636 00:32:56,860 --> 00:33:00,040 them to sound this way. I just want to pull in with my laptop 637 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,620 and my ears plug in, maybe tweak the drums a little bit, and then 638 00:33:02,620 --> 00:33:04,500 I could do and I could do some teaching. I could do some 639 00:33:04,500 --> 00:33:06,480 lessons, I could do a masterclass. I could do a 640 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:11,160 clinic, and I might do a midday corporate speech, you know, for 641 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,400 like, a chamber of commerce or something like that. And then 642 00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:17,640 they'll get me back, hopefully in time for the sound check, 643 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,840 right? And I always try to be there an hour before downbeat, 644 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,140 right? And then it's, you know, more of the same. So it's all a 645 00:33:24,140 --> 00:33:30,260 variation on what I'm eating, who I'm visiting, am I teaching? 646 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:34,760 Let me get the workout in and then execute that show. You 647 00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:38,060 know, no matter what is going on, you got to play those 24 648 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,500 shows, 24 songs, I guess, the last time you're ever going to 649 00:33:41,500 --> 00:33:44,440 play. Yeah, it might be. Here's 650 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,620 your life today. Yeah, this is a highly coveted life that a lot 651 00:33:47,620 --> 00:33:51,220 of musicians would love to have, and probably kill to have. That 652 00:33:51,220 --> 00:33:53,260 you're coming to Nashville. Are they putting it? Putting 653 00:33:53,260 --> 00:33:57,340 yourself it can be done. Obviously, you getting back to, 654 00:33:57,340 --> 00:34:01,860 you know, let's say 2000 2001 you're still here. You're 655 00:34:01,860 --> 00:34:04,800 grinding it out, you're figuring out the system and stuff like 656 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:09,840 that. You've already met Jason 99 I believe 99 Yeah, you know 657 00:34:09,900 --> 00:34:14,160 all of you, he was probably just like, I'm gonna dare say that a 658 00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:16,860 lot of the artists, as a musician, if you're an artist, 659 00:34:16,860 --> 00:34:21,020 you got to look at it. My lottery ticket is me, right, and 660 00:34:21,380 --> 00:34:24,200 it's either going to win or it's going to fail. And I could 661 00:34:24,380 --> 00:34:27,440 probably get into other areas of the music business, but I'm 662 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:31,580 going to try my shot. I'm taking my shot at being a big artist. 663 00:34:31,580 --> 00:34:35,120 I'm going to play the big gamble. So to speak with a 664 00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:38,000 musician, you get to play a bunch of different lottery 665 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:41,740 tickets, you know, side person, that kind of thing. Artists are 666 00:34:41,740 --> 00:34:44,860 like, you know, we got it. You got to spread your seed, get the 667 00:34:44,860 --> 00:34:48,280 experience the time in the trenches. And hey, one of them 668 00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:51,700 might hit, you know, Oh, yeah. That's kind of like the the 669 00:34:51,700 --> 00:34:55,060 odds, in a way. But it's funny, because going back to what we're 670 00:34:55,060 --> 00:34:59,920 talking about with Mr. Michael Knox and Jason, seven years i. 671 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,540 That's blows my mind, that they stuck with it. That is a long 672 00:35:03,540 --> 00:35:07,140 time, deep commitment. Would to have a proof of proof of concept 673 00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:11,340 in a business idea, and have the faith to see it through amazing 674 00:35:11,700 --> 00:35:16,320 it's, it's, thank God. It's mind numbing to think about that, you 675 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,900 know, because you were a part of that journey, but you were also 676 00:35:18,900 --> 00:35:20,540 doing other things because 677 00:35:21,020 --> 00:35:23,000 you had to pay the bills, right? Yeah, 678 00:35:24,380 --> 00:35:28,100 he was a part of your story, but a minute part, you know, because 679 00:35:28,100 --> 00:35:30,560 you had so many at one point you were playing with, how many 680 00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:30,980 bands 681 00:35:30,980 --> 00:35:37,100 we had? 2029, bands in one year, in one year without any zero 682 00:35:37,100 --> 00:35:41,300 conflict, that's crazy. So that's God saying. I want you to 683 00:35:41,300 --> 00:35:44,440 get even more experience. I want you to cut your teeth more. 684 00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:49,060 Yeah, you're not. What was it like, baby? Going to give you 685 00:35:49,060 --> 00:35:50,020 the big prize yet, 686 00:35:50,020 --> 00:35:54,460 right? Six years of doing that, though, you had to be like when 687 00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:58,540 you know I know something's bound to happen. You just had to 688 00:35:58,540 --> 00:36:02,760 know intrinsically in your gut that I'm destined to be a big 689 00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,340 name in this town, out of this town, in this country, in the 690 00:36:05,340 --> 00:36:10,200 drumming community, which you have become. But what were the 691 00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,840 days like, where you like, is this really that had to cross 692 00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:16,440 your mind? Is this really going to happen? Did you have your 693 00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,200 doubts? Did you have those days where you're like, I just, I'm 694 00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:22,580 freaking exhausted. You know, it's just, it's a grind. 695 00:36:22,580 --> 00:36:24,920 Even there were days that I called Haagen Dazs, days where 696 00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,740 you kind of range on a pie to Haagen Dazs, because you're just 697 00:36:27,740 --> 00:36:31,160 like, well, man. But luckily, there was, you know, a bunch of 698 00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:33,740 true believers, you know, the Michael Knox's and, you know, 699 00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,260 you know, I had Kurt and Tully in my life to kind of lean on, 700 00:36:36,260 --> 00:36:40,040 because we were kind of like a unit, you know, we had a we, you 701 00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:43,060 know, we were playing with Jason, we were playing with Tim 702 00:36:43,060 --> 00:36:47,560 rush low. We were highly coveted, sought after showcase 703 00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,980 band. We were started to do demo sessions together for all sorts 704 00:36:50,980 --> 00:36:53,740 of publishing companies. We had a rock band called feeling 705 00:36:53,740 --> 00:36:56,380 Fiona, and we played 12th and Porter and third and Lindsley. 706 00:36:56,380 --> 00:37:01,080 And so there's a strength in numbers thing that's nice where 707 00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:04,740 you can kind of lean on other people, and that's right, yeah, 708 00:37:04,740 --> 00:37:06,900 I tell people that could be a model, that could be a business 709 00:37:06,900 --> 00:37:10,380 model for you. Yes, it's kind of the music businesses, like every 710 00:37:10,380 --> 00:37:13,740 man for himself, you against the world kind of thing. But it sure 711 00:37:13,740 --> 00:37:16,920 is nice to find like minded people that you know, and found 712 00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:20,100 a tribe. Yeah, yeah. It's nice. So it helps you weather that 713 00:37:20,100 --> 00:37:23,600 storm, tons of storms. Yeah, it sucks doing it by yourself, and 714 00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:25,700 it's nice Michael. Michael Knox would be like, Hey, here's a 715 00:37:25,700 --> 00:37:30,140 gift card, or, Hey, I got lunch covered for you guys today. And, 716 00:37:30,380 --> 00:37:30,800 you know, 717 00:37:31,100 --> 00:37:33,680 and is like, you know, he's a rarity in the business too, 718 00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:37,340 because he's waiting on his return. Yeah, you know, he had 719 00:37:37,340 --> 00:37:40,360 some pretty big jobs, and it paid the bills, I'm sure, but 720 00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:42,880 not to the point where he was taking that money and 721 00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:46,660 reinvesting it into a lottery ticket, essentially, you know, I 722 00:37:46,660 --> 00:37:51,100 mean, it's, he's continuously pumping it into that. And I just 723 00:37:51,100 --> 00:37:55,660 know something. I mean, I think the number was 40 showcases you 724 00:37:55,660 --> 00:37:58,960 guys did, yeah, so many. My gosh, that 725 00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:02,040 would never happen today. That would never happen today, and it 726 00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:05,700 would be really rare to find a group of people that would stay 727 00:38:05,700 --> 00:38:09,660 together for seven years. That's what I'm saying. It would be, 728 00:38:10,260 --> 00:38:10,860 when was the 729 00:38:10,860 --> 00:38:13,860 last time? What was, if it didn't happen in seven would you 730 00:38:13,860 --> 00:38:16,080 was still stuck around for eight, nine or 10? I'm sure. 731 00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:18,240 I mean, look at the guys like, you know, there's other stories, 732 00:38:18,240 --> 00:38:20,780 like the ELI young band. Let's just tell it. Say the ELI young 733 00:38:20,780 --> 00:38:23,180 band, you know, they ended up having a nice couple of kids and 734 00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,820 hits, and they have a good career, but they were kicking 735 00:38:25,820 --> 00:38:29,660 around all over Texas for about a decade trying to make it 736 00:38:29,660 --> 00:38:34,340 happen. Gosh, you got to do it for the joy at that point. Got 737 00:38:34,340 --> 00:38:36,860 to love playing your instrument. Yeah, you know what I mean. No 738 00:38:36,860 --> 00:38:43,960 matter what happens, I love the physical act of playing my 739 00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:48,520 instrument, and then how it makes me feel, and then how it 740 00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:53,260 makes others feel and impacts their life. I mean, it's just 741 00:38:53,260 --> 00:38:57,100 playing the drums. It's just a win, win. I mean, my whole goal 742 00:38:57,100 --> 00:39:00,360 in life is to just, you know, keep taking care of myself, 743 00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:02,640 because it's such a physical instrument, so I could keep 744 00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:05,580 doing that thing. And I think of the people that are continue to 745 00:39:05,580 --> 00:39:08,580 doing it at the highest levels. I mean, Louis Belson played to 746 00:39:08,580 --> 00:39:12,120 the practically the day he died, you know, Roy Haynes was in his 747 00:39:12,180 --> 00:39:15,540 80s, an amazing jazz drummer. They just, guys are just, I'm a 748 00:39:15,540 --> 00:39:18,840 lifer. I'm gonna play my instrument till I drop. I have, 749 00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:21,380 you know, during my speech, I have a, I have a, you know, a 750 00:39:21,380 --> 00:39:23,840 moment where I go, I'm probably going to go out like this, whoa, 751 00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:27,140 you know, counting off a song. And that'll be a glorious 752 00:39:27,140 --> 00:39:33,260 moment, because I will be in my purpose, sitting behind this 753 00:39:33,260 --> 00:39:36,380 thing that is a physical manifestation of my purpose in 754 00:39:36,380 --> 00:39:39,980 life. You know, that's nuts, man, because it's 755 00:39:41,420 --> 00:39:43,900 you really have to enjoy the journey. I love it. You have to 756 00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:47,320 love my craft, man, yeah, I'm like, when you start thinking of 757 00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:50,320 like painters, you know these guys that you know, they have to 758 00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:54,880 rent some place that's big enough for their, their the 759 00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:58,360 materials that they need. They can throw paint at a wall and 760 00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:01,140 they just, they're just in. I didn't, I don't know how they're 761 00:40:01,140 --> 00:40:03,900 paying their bills, and that at some point, some taste maker 762 00:40:03,900 --> 00:40:08,460 comes along and says, I approve of this, and I will bring this 763 00:40:08,460 --> 00:40:11,400 to all of my rich friends. And the next thing you know, 764 00:40:11,460 --> 00:40:17,880 someone's paying $2 million for this piece. And is that artist 765 00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:21,200 going to probably upgrade his art studio and his quality of 766 00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:26,840 life, probably, but really it's the focus his reason is, or 767 00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:31,100 their Why is, its purpose is the painting? Yeah, you know, 768 00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:35,300 I actually typically try to look up questions. 769 00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:38,840 Oh, I was going to tell my while I got you here. This was kind of 770 00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:42,280 an interesting moment. I keep telling people that I'm having a 771 00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:45,460 midlife crisis. I think I've been having it for 15 years. But 772 00:40:45,460 --> 00:40:49,060 anyways, I've been going around Nashville and going to old 773 00:40:49,060 --> 00:40:54,700 houses and condos that I have owned or I lived in. So today, I 774 00:40:54,700 --> 00:40:58,960 was out in Donaldson, Tennessee by the airport, and I have a 775 00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:02,040 good friend of mine, George Bruner. And George Bruner, he's 776 00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:04,620 a craftsman. He's a leather worker, and he combines leather 777 00:41:04,620 --> 00:41:08,340 and metal, and he makes these really nice handmade jewelry. 778 00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:10,980 And you know, a bunch of rock and rollers wear them. You know, 779 00:41:10,980 --> 00:41:14,100 Kenny are enough. Where's his stuff? And so anyways, I was, he 780 00:41:14,100 --> 00:41:16,800 was making a new belt for me that I'm wearing right now, and 781 00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:20,420 I was looking through this tub of cuffs. And I go, I put this 782 00:41:20,420 --> 00:41:23,120 one on, and it fits, and he goes, he goes, Oh, man, do you 783 00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:27,800 realize that I made this for you, but it's for some reason. 784 00:41:27,860 --> 00:41:33,020 Last time you saw me, you passed on it. But he goes, that metal 785 00:41:33,020 --> 00:41:37,880 on there is actually a piece of John Wysocki symbol from the 786 00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:41,800 band stain. So John Wysocki was a member of our community and 787 00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,320 was a good friend of all of ours, and he died about a year 788 00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:47,980 ago, and this was a part of his symbol. And so for some one 789 00:41:47,980 --> 00:41:50,800 reason today, I tried this thing on. He goes, he goes, take it, 790 00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:53,260 man, I made it for you. You didn't take it last time. Let's 791 00:41:53,260 --> 00:41:56,380 hold it up for the camera. Yeah. So, so this is a piece of John 792 00:41:56,380 --> 00:42:02,040 Wysocki, God rest his soul, drummers symbol. And so I'm 793 00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:05,160 wearing this today. Now I can look down and think about our 794 00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:09,480 friend John. That's great. It's a really interesting so, I 795 00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:11,880 mean, really like, you know, all the instruments us being 796 00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:14,820 drummers, we are imprinting our personality on those 797 00:42:14,820 --> 00:42:16,500 instruments. Yeah, you know, 798 00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:19,800 Bruner model works. So I went to go see George today. I'll go see 799 00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:23,060 him, you know, once you're once a year before tour, and to say, 800 00:42:23,060 --> 00:42:25,520 Hey, you got any new leather? Yeah, you know, you know. I 801 00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:27,800 mean, I'm a fan of of a dead cow 802 00:42:28,700 --> 00:42:32,960 all the guy, you know, they say that nice guys finish last, you 803 00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:37,700 know, I think about a Michael Knox, and he just had the faith 804 00:42:38,780 --> 00:42:43,120 and the long obedience in the same direction when it came to 805 00:42:43,180 --> 00:42:46,540 just believing in his artist, you know, and he believed in you 806 00:42:46,540 --> 00:42:49,900 guys. I, despite all the biggies telling me that, Nah, I just 807 00:42:49,900 --> 00:42:53,320 don't see anything. I believe in. This thing's gonna pay off 808 00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:55,900 someday, absolutely, and I'm willing to put the time in. 809 00:42:55,960 --> 00:43:00,540 Yeah, you on the other hand, you know you being, you know, you're 810 00:43:00,540 --> 00:43:04,080 a great guy, a nice guy. Everybody loves you, who comes 811 00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:07,020 across, even everybody that we've had recently on your your 812 00:43:07,020 --> 00:43:10,980 podcast. It's amazing to me, unprompted, we're not prompting 813 00:43:10,980 --> 00:43:13,680 them at all. Guys, you go and listen to the rich Redmond show. 814 00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:15,840 Go check it out. Rich redmond.com forward slash 815 00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:21,920 podcast. It probably in the last I want to say 567, episodes, 816 00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:25,400 we've had some of the newer people to town that have made a 817 00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:29,600 name for themselves, who have literally listened to you and 818 00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:32,600 absorbed your wisdom and the things that you've had to say 819 00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:35,720 over the last 20 years, and now they're, they're, you're like, 820 00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:38,120 they're you're not pro you, they're doing it and that you 821 00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:41,080 were no These. Nobody's being prompted. Everybody feels 822 00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:44,920 compelled to like Thank you. We're doing what you did and 823 00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:47,440 showing us how to do it, and that's starting to come around. 824 00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:50,860 Now, crazy. It is crazy. It's not, though, because that's what 825 00:43:50,860 --> 00:43:54,580 you set out to do. You. What was your your card? What did this 826 00:43:54,580 --> 00:43:57,100 say? What was your mantra when you got here? Remember when we 827 00:43:57,100 --> 00:43:57,580 talked about 828 00:43:57,580 --> 00:43:59,740 the first card I ever had when I came to town was 829 00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:02,520 Vistaprint. You know? Because, 830 00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:06,060 if so, not a business card, but your yourself, your mantra, oh, 831 00:44:06,060 --> 00:44:10,140 my mantra is, my purpose in life is to affect people in a 832 00:44:10,140 --> 00:44:13,980 positive way and change lives. And my 833 00:44:13,980 --> 00:44:17,100 was it kind of, did you know you were going to do that? Or was it 834 00:44:17,100 --> 00:44:20,400 kind of like, this is, yeah, this is a lofty goal. If I do 835 00:44:20,460 --> 00:44:23,540 great. If not, who knows if I'll ever know? Well, you can that 836 00:44:23,540 --> 00:44:26,840 that validation is happening now. Yeah, it's cool, man. 837 00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:30,680 That is cool because it is cool to see. You know, like I said, 838 00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:32,960 you know, I've never had children. I'm always uncle 839 00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:36,680 Richie. You know, Uncle Richie is the cool uncle, and that's 840 00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:42,400 great. But I start looking online, and I thinking, Oh, my 841 00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:44,620 God, oh, I taught that person. I taught that person. I taught 842 00:44:44,620 --> 00:44:46,900 that person. They took my class. They came to drummers weekend. 843 00:44:46,900 --> 00:44:50,740 Oh my god. Hundreds of people they have read has really added 844 00:44:50,740 --> 00:44:53,080 up. And I could look at their careers and go, Wow, they just 845 00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:55,360 signed with a major rock band. That person just finished 846 00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:57,760 Berkeley College of Music. That person got accepted to the 847 00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:00,480 University of North Texas. That person's writing. A Buster 848 00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:04,140 playing with a hit. Wow, did that person bought a house? 849 00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:09,420 Yeah, hold for with their drums. And so if I can have any, you 850 00:45:09,420 --> 00:45:12,540 know, like I said, I'm not a genius, I'm just in my purpose. 851 00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:15,900 And if there's a ripple effect of a person being in their 852 00:45:15,900 --> 00:45:19,500 purpose and enjoying what they do and it helps others, 853 00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:22,700 fantastic, you know, because I am a teacher, I've always been a 854 00:45:22,700 --> 00:45:24,860 teacher. You know, I have a teacher's heart. I was trained 855 00:45:24,860 --> 00:45:27,740 to be a teacher. I have my masters in music education. So 856 00:45:27,740 --> 00:45:29,840 along the lines, you have to write a lot of papers, you have 857 00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:32,720 to study a lot of pedagogical practices. You have to study 858 00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:36,020 educational philosophies. And you know, how you might, you 859 00:45:36,020 --> 00:45:40,540 know, conduct a high school choir or a high school symphonic 860 00:45:40,540 --> 00:45:43,780 band or score for a marching band, all sorts of things they 861 00:45:43,780 --> 00:45:48,940 don't necessarily use all the time, but I'm sure glad I did 862 00:45:48,940 --> 00:45:51,880 it. You know that no one can take that away from me. I mean, 863 00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:57,040 I hated studying the clarinet. I hated making shapes on a 864 00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:01,380 football field with a with a marching band, but it was a 865 00:46:01,380 --> 00:46:04,680 means, it's just because I wanted to be, I wanted to be in 866 00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:08,520 a rock band. You know, I was 18 years old, and I really wanted 867 00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:11,700 to be in a rock band. What was all your that's like being a 868 00:46:11,700 --> 00:46:14,760 comedian, that's about as safe as being a comedian. So my 869 00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:17,400 parents were like, look at we're going to go to school for four 870 00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:20,900 years. You're only going to be 2122 years old when you get out 871 00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:24,080 and you'll have something that no one can take away from you. 872 00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:26,780 And then, while you're there, jumping through these flaming 873 00:46:26,780 --> 00:46:31,400 hoops of taking science of sound and studying the bassoon for a 874 00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:36,080 semester, I got to practice hours and hours every single 875 00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:39,320 day, and all summer, I'm in the music building at Texas Tech 876 00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:42,160 University, and I have my professor, Alan Shin, gave me 877 00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:46,060 one of the beautiful Wenger lockout units that was like had 878 00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:49,180 AC in it, and I had my set of Remo drums in there, and like 879 00:46:49,180 --> 00:46:53,080 stacks and stacks of method books and a leases sr 16 going 880 00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:56,140 through a bass amp, and I could just practice and practice and 881 00:46:56,140 --> 00:47:00,780 transcribe 12 hours a day and sit in my room and work on my 882 00:47:00,900 --> 00:47:03,960 cup, slap on the conga, and then get in there, and, you know 883 00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:09,540 what, I mean, listen to Fusion records, and it was so it was a 884 00:47:09,540 --> 00:47:12,000 great time in life, you know, was 885 00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:14,340 it great? Did you realize how great it was at that time, 886 00:47:14,700 --> 00:47:16,980 still wanted to be out there doing it, you know? Because 887 00:47:16,980 --> 00:47:19,920 every time a clinician would come into town, or I played in 888 00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,400 the big band at Texas Tech University. And we'd have these 889 00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:25,520 amazing guys that would come in, like Steve Wiest, who was in, 890 00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:28,100 you know, Maynard Ferguson's band with Greg Bissonette. He 891 00:47:28,100 --> 00:47:32,480 would come in, Dennis de Blasio, the guys from the yellow jackets 892 00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:34,940 would come in. There'd be all these guest artists, and I would 893 00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:37,400 just be so excited to meet them, because they would always live 894 00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:39,800 in New York or LA and I'd be like, you know, and I haven't 895 00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:43,180 really, I hadn't really gotten out of Connecticut or Texas, and 896 00:47:43,300 --> 00:47:47,260 I was like, What's it like in sunny Los Angeles, and what's it 897 00:47:47,260 --> 00:47:50,140 like to play on the mean streets of Manhattan? Are you telling me 898 00:47:50,140 --> 00:47:54,340 you got to move your drums around in a taxi? Will they stop 899 00:47:54,340 --> 00:47:57,640 for you? Like, what does it pay? Where do you live? Like, it was 900 00:47:57,640 --> 00:47:57,880 just, 901 00:47:58,540 --> 00:48:00,480 oh, to me, it sounds like a nightmare. Well, 902 00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:03,240 you know, looking back on it, it's a young man's game. Yeah, 903 00:48:03,240 --> 00:48:05,460 you know, I mean, Sean Pelton, you know, 25 years as the 904 00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:07,740 drummer, was Saturday Night Live. He's like, Man, I lived in 905 00:48:07,740 --> 00:48:10,920 this, you know, rat infested apartment on the fourth floor, 906 00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:13,260 and he'd have to schlep his drums. There's no elevator. 907 00:48:13,380 --> 00:48:16,500 You'd have to, you know, dodge homeless people and people 908 00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:19,320 taking dumps in the street to get his drums up to his fourth 909 00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:24,140 floor, you know, studio apartment. And you know, how 910 00:48:24,140 --> 00:48:28,340 many higher drum sets, how many years later? Yeah, he's the 911 00:48:28,340 --> 00:48:31,040 contractor for the Saturday Night Live Band. He's played on 912 00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:35,420 some of the most iconic records of all time, and and he owns, I 913 00:48:35,420 --> 00:48:39,500 believe it's like an urban legend, two sizable apartments 914 00:48:39,500 --> 00:48:44,140 in Manhattan. He knocked the wall down, and he got a nice pad 915 00:48:44,140 --> 00:48:47,680 with a studio, recording studio in his apartment. Good for him 916 00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:52,240 in Manhattan. Yeah, that is not easily done. Well, he put the 917 00:48:52,240 --> 00:48:55,600 time in. He put the time in and he got a television job. And 918 00:48:55,600 --> 00:49:00,180 television jobs pay rate, because there's a union and 919 00:49:00,180 --> 00:49:05,400 there's residuals, right? So every episode that reruns of 920 00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:07,860 Saturday Night Live, he's seeing a check 921 00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:10,380 so, but does he? He's got to be a part of the episode, though, 922 00:49:10,380 --> 00:49:13,680 at some point, and typically he is. He's on camera, 923 00:49:13,860 --> 00:49:17,520 he's on camera, and he's on the and he's backing up artists, and 924 00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:22,460 then that's good. We need to get hit by 925 00:49:23,060 --> 00:49:24,620 Sean. Would be great. You know, 926 00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:30,500 when we played SNL in 2017 you know, it was nice. He took the 927 00:49:30,500 --> 00:49:33,800 time to come backstage and give me a hug and say, I like what 928 00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:37,100 you're doing. I read your articles in MD, and was he? Did 929 00:49:37,100 --> 00:49:39,860 he know who you were? Yeah, did you meet him before then 930 00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:44,140 it's, I'm sure we we knew of each other. Yeah, you know, we 931 00:49:44,140 --> 00:49:46,540 never personally met. Yeah, we met personally. Then he's like, 932 00:49:46,540 --> 00:49:49,960 yeah, man, good job. Reach out to him. Was great. He'd be a 933 00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:53,920 good guy to get out. Yeah, zoom it up. I'd love to talk we got a 934 00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:57,100 zoom tomorrow with Stan Lynch, the original drummer from Tom 935 00:49:57,100 --> 00:49:59,620 Petty, 20 years with Tom Petty. I mean, that's going to be and 936 00:49:59,620 --> 00:50:04,140 I've known. And I've known Stan since in the year 2000 that's 937 00:50:04,140 --> 00:50:06,600 when I met him, 25 years ago. 938 00:50:06,660 --> 00:50:10,080 Well, it's 20 longer than 20 years he's he's been Tom Petty's 939 00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:10,440 drummer the 940 00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:13,320 entire but I met him in the year 2000 when I was me, Kurt and 941 00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:16,440 Tully were in the in the house band for the Warner chapel 942 00:50:16,620 --> 00:50:20,160 songwriting camp, and we basically just sat in the studio 943 00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:24,440 all day, and Stan would write with Ital Sure, who was this guy 944 00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:30,140 who wrote and digging for Carlos? Never heard of it. He 945 00:50:30,140 --> 00:50:33,680 wrote that jewel was there. Robbie Neville was there. You 946 00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:37,340 know the he had that song, c'est la vie. Say La Vie and Neville 947 00:50:37,340 --> 00:50:42,100 Brothers, no not rob this is Robbie Neville. He was a pop 948 00:50:42,100 --> 00:50:45,940 artist in the late 80s. I thought that was, 949 00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:47,500 say, loving 950 00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:50,080 I thought Robbie Neville was part of the Neville 951 00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:54,520 you're thinking about Ian Ian Neville. Ian Neville, and 952 00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:57,460 there's a guy that had the mole on his leg. They 953 00:50:57,460 --> 00:50:59,920 were like they were big guys, and they always looked like they 954 00:50:59,920 --> 00:51:02,100 were squeezing the crap out of the microphone. Yeah, 955 00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:05,280 yeah. Well, shame on us for shame on us for not remembering 956 00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:08,220 the Neville Brothers. Aaron Neville. Aaron Neville, there 957 00:51:08,220 --> 00:51:11,040 you go. Yes, Robbie. I think Robbie might have been his 958 00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:12,720 brother. Oh, 959 00:51:12,900 --> 00:51:17,940 yeah, I'm wrong. Different ethnicity. Okay, I see. 960 00:51:19,980 --> 00:51:23,540 So. Anyways, yeah, tell me what was like to hear yourself. You 961 00:51:23,540 --> 00:51:26,780 know, I know we've talked about it before, especially in the 962 00:51:26,780 --> 00:51:29,840 world, world class, award winning documentary we both put 963 00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:33,140 together, working the dream. Working the dream on YouTube. 964 00:51:33,140 --> 00:51:35,960 You can go check it out. It's only about 45 minutes long, and 965 00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:38,420 perfect for an hour long documentary that needs 966 00:51:38,420 --> 00:51:39,440 commercial breaks. Well, 967 00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:43,000 actually 45 minutes, but originally it was probably two 968 00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:45,640 and a half hours, but I kept telling you to take things out, 969 00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:50,080 because I was so gun shy at that point in my career. About 970 00:51:50,140 --> 00:51:54,040 your so what you were only people PR sensitive, you 971 00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:57,280 know? And I still am, you know what? I mean? Yeah, I know you 972 00:51:57,340 --> 00:52:00,600 we're in a world where at any moment, things could be taken as 973 00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:04,380 sound bites, and they can be taken out of context and used in 974 00:52:04,380 --> 00:52:06,960 an inappropriate way, which is very scary, 975 00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:10,260 but I think ultimately, yes, you're right, but we're also to 976 00:52:10,260 --> 00:52:14,280 the point as a society where we are our skepticism is at such a 977 00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:19,500 level that we automatically think it's fake. Okay, so it's 978 00:52:19,500 --> 00:52:22,580 either AI, I know, the other day I saw, you know, I watched these 979 00:52:22,580 --> 00:52:26,660 boat videos, wavy boats, especially where you'll see 980 00:52:26,660 --> 00:52:29,720 these people in a in an inlet, haul over inlet. And I think, 981 00:52:30,380 --> 00:52:33,380 dude, at this point in my life, if it gives me joy, I go for it. 982 00:52:33,380 --> 00:52:35,960 You guys kind of gravitate towards it. That's why I've got 983 00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:39,380 all the Marvel stuff up to my left. And, you know, I got back 984 00:52:39,380 --> 00:52:43,720 in the drumming again, and I'm enjoying it. With that. I just 985 00:52:43,720 --> 00:52:49,360 enjoy watching boats like idiots and pontoons going through this 986 00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:53,200 tumultuous inlet, which is like one of the most world's most 987 00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:57,400 tumultuous inlets ever. You know, high tide and low tide. 988 00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:01,440 This thing just eats boats and, oh, let's take it out in the 989 00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:04,080 ocean, the rental pontoon from the bay. And it's like, these 990 00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:07,500 guys just get their stupid human tricks. It's awesome. Yeah. So 991 00:53:07,500 --> 00:53:10,320 I'm watching one the other day, and it says, this wave comes up. 992 00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:12,600 Watch the wave. You know, wait for it. That's the big thing. 993 00:53:12,660 --> 00:53:15,600 They put in the text, wait, wait for it, because they want you to 994 00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:19,560 watch the entire video. Helps the algorithm. And, you know, in 995 00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:22,640 the video, this seemingly like you know what you'd see at a 996 00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:24,260 beach. What do you gotta 997 00:53:26,720 --> 00:53:29,060 do? Okay, I'm passing up on a great opportunity for 998 00:53:29,060 --> 00:53:31,220 everybody. We're gonna we're gonna make sure it's on there, 999 00:53:31,220 --> 00:53:33,620 but you got to put it in prominence. Give me the book. 1000 00:53:33,860 --> 00:53:36,440 We're doing this live hand to hand it to me. I'll put it in 1001 00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:40,480 back of me. Actually, I think I'm gonna have potential. 1002 00:53:46,240 --> 00:53:50,620 See, guys, this is happen as we're recording, made us leave 1003 00:53:50,620 --> 00:53:56,500 it in to the chopper. So in this video, they got like what 1004 00:53:56,500 --> 00:54:01,380 seemingly is like a beach wave, a very medium sized beach wave 1005 00:54:01,380 --> 00:54:04,200 that you'd go body surfing on the beach. It comes over the 1006 00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:07,680 boat and, like, takes the entire boat, like, oh my gosh, the 1007 00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:11,880 whole thing disappeared. It's AI. It's fake. And I was like, 1008 00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:15,000 almost like, Oh, really. Come on, that would have been a cool 1009 00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:17,040 video. Otherwise, you know, 1010 00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:21,200 you know, the AI generated headshots and such. I'm 1011 00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:22,400 interested to see, 1012 00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:25,520 yeah, but you know, they did that a couple of years ago. I 1013 00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:29,060 did that too, and you pay for like, a pack of 10 pictures, or 1014 00:54:29,060 --> 00:54:32,840 whoever, however, $10 for a bunch of like 100 pictures. But 1015 00:54:32,900 --> 00:54:38,360 they take about seven pictures of you, and have different AI, 1016 00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:41,200 they take your, like, your attitudes, your facial 1017 00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:45,220 structure, general, you know how you smile if you don't smile. 1018 00:54:45,340 --> 00:54:49,120 And then they put personalities to it. It's odd. I'll have to 1019 00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:51,760 show it to you. They like, they made me look like Bruce Willis 1020 00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:55,300 from Armageddon. Remember that? Yeah, there was like, one point 1021 00:54:55,300 --> 00:54:57,760 where I had my shirt off and I was jacked, you know? And I'm 1022 00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:00,900 like, I wish I looked like that. But it was also. When I was bald 1023 00:55:00,900 --> 00:55:04,680 and had the, you know, the badass beard bald look, until 1024 00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:07,980 Courtney wanted my hair to grow back. I love it. But, yeah, 1025 00:55:07,980 --> 00:55:10,680 those things got nice little head of hair. You working on 1026 00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:13,560 there, buddy. Now they got aI flying apps. You could actually 1027 00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:16,260 upload your photo and likeness, and they'll make videos of you 1028 00:55:16,260 --> 00:55:16,740 flying. 1029 00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:21,020 I mean, where is it going? I just don't know. Man, you know 1030 00:55:21,020 --> 00:55:21,560 it's, 1031 00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:25,040 you know, any we just heard about an app that apparently 1032 00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:27,440 will strip instruments out of songs. I 1033 00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:31,100 don't like it. I know you don't like that. I know I don't like 1034 00:55:31,100 --> 00:55:31,520 it, buddy. 1035 00:55:31,580 --> 00:55:35,900 That brings me to the business of music. I mean, ever since 1036 00:55:35,900 --> 00:55:41,800 Napster, your industry has just been in flux. But you know, 1037 00:55:41,860 --> 00:55:45,820 maybe it's fair to say that even in in while the formats of the 1038 00:55:45,820 --> 00:55:48,640 delivery of the music changed, you had eight track, you had 1039 00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:51,940 vinyl, you had cassette, then it went to CD, then it went to mp 1040 00:55:51,940 --> 00:55:57,940 three. But since Napster, the industry has been shaken up, 1041 00:55:58,840 --> 00:55:59,680 right? Yeah, 1042 00:56:00,340 --> 00:56:03,120 it would be interesting to have found I'm grateful for 1043 00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:06,600 everything that I have my life, and work so hard for it, and 1044 00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:13,560 it's fantastic. But what if I had hit with a rock band in the 1045 00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:17,160 My 20s, in the 90s, because, because that was the velvet rope 1046 00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:19,740 era. I mean, that was limos and velvet 1047 00:56:19,740 --> 00:56:22,280 ropes, but I think it was trending down by that point. I 1048 00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:24,440 want to say the mid eight the 80s was more like 1049 00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:28,520 there was money in the music business. Then water. Yeah, in 1050 00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:34,640 the 90s, the 90s, people battle the boom and, you know, sound 1051 00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:38,120 garden and Pearl Jam and modern rock radio. And 1052 00:56:38,300 --> 00:56:41,800 did singles ever take off like, you know, remember the singles 1053 00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:44,560 when they had offered it was like buying mp three. Now you 1054 00:56:44,740 --> 00:56:47,380 buy, you spend your buck on iTunes. You just want the song. 1055 00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:53,500 Now it's just all streaming. Were singles a big thing back in 1056 00:56:53,500 --> 00:56:56,260 the 90s? Or they still, they still bought out albums, right? 1057 00:56:57,040 --> 00:56:59,440 People still bought albums, yeah, but you had to have a 1058 00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:02,100 single for the radio. You know, there's the new one from Stone 1059 00:57:02,100 --> 00:57:05,520 Temple Pilots, right? You know? Oh, yeah, of course. Man, that 1060 00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:08,280 was a heyday of quality rock bands. 1061 00:57:09,540 --> 00:57:13,440 90s music, to me, was such a hodgepodge. It was such an 1062 00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:16,740 interesting time for new music to come out, because I was 1063 00:57:16,740 --> 00:57:20,420 certainly, I was listening at that time more to than modern 1064 00:57:20,420 --> 00:57:23,300 rock stations, because I was getting in the radio. I wanted 1065 00:57:23,300 --> 00:57:26,660 to get in the radio. I wanted to work for 92 3k rock in New York 1066 00:57:26,660 --> 00:57:30,020 City, and they were the premier modern rock, active rock, well, 1067 00:57:30,020 --> 00:57:31,100 probably modern rocket. 1068 00:57:31,100 --> 00:57:34,880 But if you had gotten the lead DJ job at that station in New 1069 00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:35,540 York City, that 1070 00:57:35,540 --> 00:57:38,300 would be impossible, because it was Howard Stern at the time. He 1071 00:57:38,660 --> 00:57:39,380 was a morning guy, 1072 00:57:39,500 --> 00:57:44,440 okay, but what I'm saying is, if you were a rock jock on one of 1073 00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:45,700 the other shifts, right, did 1074 00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:50,320 it pay a lot of money in that city? Oh, yeah, you made, 1075 00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:54,700 probably I would have, if you're an afternoon guy, 200 probably 1076 00:57:54,700 --> 00:57:56,080 250 quarter 1077 00:57:56,080 --> 00:57:59,920 of a million dollars in 1990s money. Yep, and you were 1078 00:57:59,920 --> 00:58:02,760 actually had a say in what was played? No, 1079 00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:06,240 I think you probably, you, yeah, you probably had a say, 1080 00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:09,360 depending on their role. If they were music director. Music 1081 00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:12,360 directors typically brought late, they would be the first 1082 00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:16,980 ones to hear what the record company representatives would be 1083 00:58:16,980 --> 00:58:19,680 like, Hey, could you, you know, add this this week? How many 1084 00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:22,820 spins can we get they would have those conversations. And then, 1085 00:58:22,820 --> 00:58:25,220 typically, the music director would bring it to the program 1086 00:58:25,220 --> 00:58:27,140 director and say, Hey, what do you think? Let's, you know, 1087 00:58:27,140 --> 00:58:29,540 let's put it in, you know, rotation at night, in the 1088 00:58:29,540 --> 00:58:32,540 evening, see how it does, how does the audience respond? So it 1089 00:58:32,540 --> 00:58:36,500 was very organic. I would say, back then, to a certain point, I 1090 00:58:36,500 --> 00:58:39,920 think paid a Paola was still a thing, you know, in terms of 1091 00:58:39,980 --> 00:58:43,600 wining and dining, but, you know, not like it was in the 70s 1092 00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:47,200 and 80s with the boss jocks so interesting. 1093 00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:50,980 And when you played that new single from Stone Temple Pilots, 1094 00:58:50,980 --> 00:58:55,060 was it still the physical CD? Blow on it, put it on Yeah, 1095 00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:59,140 because there was a risk of it being scratched or having dust 1096 00:58:59,140 --> 00:58:59,320 on 1097 00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:02,820 it, you they would sit in their own like, ready to go jewel 1098 00:59:02,820 --> 00:59:06,420 cases, and you'd put it into the CD player, which is a 1099 00:59:06,420 --> 00:59:09,600 specialized industrial, commercial CD player, and it 1100 00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:11,940 would queue up. You'd dial, you had a little knob on it, you'd 1101 00:59:11,940 --> 00:59:14,520 dial with the track in, and it would be ready to go. And 1102 00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:16,800 typically on the board, you'd fire it right from the board, 1103 00:59:17,580 --> 00:59:20,460 you know? And that, that was in the mid 90s, was the last 1104 00:59:20,820 --> 00:59:26,360 bastion of hardware based, hardware based disc jockeys that 1105 00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:29,360 were one step beyond queuing up vinyl, because that used to 1106 00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:31,640 happen, they would have to sit there and hold the vinyl, and 1107 00:59:31,940 --> 00:59:36,140 the turntable underneath would be spinning, and they just hold 1108 00:59:36,140 --> 00:59:38,300 on and be like until they're ready. Okay, here's an and they 1109 00:59:38,300 --> 00:59:40,840 would back it up so they wouldn't have really, you know? 1110 00:59:41,500 --> 00:59:44,500 Yeah, it was. It's an art form. There's actually, you go to 1111 00:59:44,500 --> 00:59:49,240 California Air, check on YouTube, and it's fascinating. 1112 00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:53,500 Like the guys from the 80s pulling their music and their 1113 00:59:53,500 --> 00:59:55,480 writing game, and they're hitting the post, those are 1114 00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:59,680 videos of it. Oh yeah, it's amazing to watch. I mean, it was 1115 00:59:59,680 --> 00:59:59,920 a true. 1116 01:00:00,060 --> 01:00:03,000 Word for awesome skill set. And then if those guys stayed in the 1117 01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:06,660 business, and they were trying to stay relevant, to keep up 1118 01:00:06,660 --> 01:00:09,300 with the latest technology, they had to totally change to a 1119 01:00:09,300 --> 01:00:12,120 software based system. 1120 01:00:12,300 --> 01:00:15,600 Well, that's when automation came in, voice tracking. That's 1121 01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:18,960 about the time I got in the radio. Was when all the things 1122 01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:22,400 started, you know, I got into the at the point where 1123 01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:25,760 everything was on a computer. I literally, in my live shift, I 1124 01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:29,120 would hit a button and it's got to, you make an art out of it. 1125 01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:32,000 Oh, I totally, I did the the thumb slap, or the, you know, 1126 01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:34,880 the, you know, my hurt my finger. But yeah, that kind of a 1127 01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:37,640 thing. Nice. No, no. Homer, rock and roll. I 95 bam, 1128 01:00:37,640 --> 01:00:40,600 bam. See percussion again, right? Exactly. Percussion, 1129 01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:43,720 DJing percussion, working in radio percussion, 1130 01:00:43,900 --> 01:00:47,500 exactly, but it was, it was a kind of a cool experience. One 1131 01:00:47,500 --> 01:00:51,100 day I came in for my shift, and the entire system shit the bed. 1132 01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:55,300 Everything was down. What happened? The whole the hard 1133 01:00:55,300 --> 01:00:58,780 drives just crashed, and all the stuff, all the commercials, all 1134 01:00:58,780 --> 01:01:02,940 the music, they had to go back, to quote, the stone age. They 1135 01:01:02,940 --> 01:01:06,900 kept their wall of music readily available in the studio for that 1136 01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:11,760 purpose, maybe, or maybe for esthetics. But getting all the 1137 01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:15,000 commercials, all the spot sets, literally, the production 1138 01:01:15,060 --> 01:01:18,360 director's job that day was to put all the spot sets on reel to 1139 01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:21,260 reel, and they would carry in the platters and say, Okay, 1140 01:01:21,260 --> 01:01:23,600 here's the next hour. Yeah, here's the next hour, here's the 1141 01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:26,180 next hour, here's the next hour. And because that was important, 1142 01:01:26,180 --> 01:01:28,280 they had to make sure that they played the spots. That's how we 1143 01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:30,500 got paid. Interesting. And, you know, he had to put them all 1144 01:01:30,500 --> 01:01:35,000 back to back. Not a fun job, but getting a taste of running the 1145 01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:39,560 board manually was a lot of fun pulling your music the next hour 1146 01:01:39,560 --> 01:01:42,520 of music. That was a lot looking forward on the logs and seeing 1147 01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:44,920 where you are and stuff. I had a blast, because you had to stay 1148 01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:46,420 there for six hours being on the air, 1149 01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:50,320 I'm sure. And you had your P songs, right? Like steroid of 1150 01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:50,620 heaven. 1151 01:01:50,860 --> 01:01:55,540 Yep, sorry to heaven. And white satin. I 1152 01:01:55,540 --> 01:01:59,500 love it, yeah. But it just goes to show, if you're an open 1153 01:01:59,500 --> 01:02:04,980 minded person, you notice that every person that has any job on 1154 01:02:04,980 --> 01:02:10,140 this planet, there is an art form to that job, whether it you 1155 01:02:10,140 --> 01:02:16,320 are a janitor or a host at brick tops, or you are a garbage man, 1156 01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:22,760 or you are creating high Art, or you, like every there is an art 1157 01:02:22,940 --> 01:02:27,980 to doing a job, a job, well done. There's an art form to all 1158 01:02:27,980 --> 01:02:30,380 of it. Good point. I mean, there's actually in the 1159 01:02:30,380 --> 01:02:33,860 electrical field, because trades are starting to make a huge 1160 01:02:33,860 --> 01:02:36,860 comeback, dude, I found out yesterday at ntsu, they have a 1161 01:02:36,860 --> 01:02:41,380 concrete program to pour concrete, to learn about 1162 01:02:41,380 --> 01:02:44,080 concrete. Yeah, it's a whole degreed program. And these guys 1163 01:02:44,080 --> 01:02:46,360 that are coming out of this program, they could make 80 to 1164 01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:49,600 $150,000 a year within the first year or two. It's awesome, 1165 01:02:49,600 --> 01:02:52,540 because there's no about the chemistry of concrete and what 1166 01:02:52,540 --> 01:02:54,940 works and what it's I learned about this yesterday. It's 1167 01:02:54,940 --> 01:02:58,180 crazy. As you know, concrete can be an art form. Well, thank God 1168 01:02:58,180 --> 01:03:00,660 for the trades. You know, like you look at electrical there are 1169 01:03:00,660 --> 01:03:03,780 guys on Instagram that are getting tool deals and 1170 01:03:03,780 --> 01:03:06,180 representation and things of that nature. There's a guy named 1171 01:03:06,180 --> 01:03:09,420 Tennessee electrician, and he'll just put a camera behind him and 1172 01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:13,560 rework a panel, you know, pull all the guts out, redo the wire, 1173 01:03:13,740 --> 01:03:16,740 make the wire like, have like, you know, just they're all 1174 01:03:16,740 --> 01:03:20,780 parallel to each other. It's to watch somebody put properly, put 1175 01:03:20,780 --> 01:03:24,560 a panel together and redress it up. It's about an eight hour 1176 01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:27,440 job, yeah, but when you time compress and you see the 1177 01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:31,100 artistry involved when it's done properly, it's freaking 1178 01:03:31,100 --> 01:03:35,180 beautiful when it's done. You ever go into Costco, like these 1179 01:03:35,180 --> 01:03:38,300 big warehouses, and look up, look at the pipes that are 1180 01:03:38,300 --> 01:03:41,860 running, the big the silver pipes, somebody has to bend 1181 01:03:41,860 --> 01:03:44,920 those and they got to be perfect. They got to fall in 1182 01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:47,920 light. That's a freaking art form. Yeah, bending pipe and 1183 01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:51,580 conduit in the electrical field is truly an art 1184 01:03:51,580 --> 01:03:55,960 form. And if you have pride in your job, there is even an art 1185 01:03:55,960 --> 01:03:59,560 form to be in. The guy that works at the deli counter at 1186 01:03:59,560 --> 01:04:02,400 Publix, there was a young man. I went in there and I said, Hey, 1187 01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:05,460 my parents are coming. First of all, big smile on his face. 1188 01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:09,660 Young kid, kind of unexpected. How you doing, sir? How can I 1189 01:04:09,660 --> 01:04:13,500 help you today? I mean, total sincerity. Oh, parents are 1190 01:04:13,500 --> 01:04:16,320 coming in town. I was thinking about getting maybe, like, 1191 01:04:16,320 --> 01:04:21,200 maybe, like, a full pound of your boars head, black pepper. 1192 01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:23,780 Great choice. How, how many sandwiches you think you're 1193 01:04:23,780 --> 01:04:26,240 gonna have to make? Like, he's totally, he's got the sales 1194 01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:28,760 process down. And I was like, Dude, I'm probably gonna, we're 1195 01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:32,360 probably gonna have about four sandwiches, but we might do that 1196 01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:37,340 two times, all right, so eight sandwiches and two slices of 1197 01:04:37,340 --> 01:04:39,500 turkey. You think per sandwich? I'm like, Oh yeah, my dad 1198 01:04:39,500 --> 01:04:42,700 Dagwood. He wants to make some dagwoods totally set me up 1199 01:04:42,700 --> 01:04:44,800 because let me know if you need anything else. You know, I'm 1200 01:04:44,800 --> 01:04:48,700 here, Monday, Wednesday, Fridays great. I mean, it's like, wow, 1201 01:04:48,700 --> 01:04:51,640 what a pleasurable experience. Yeah, or when somebody's 1202 01:04:51,640 --> 01:04:56,740 checking you out at the counter at Publix, and they're they are 1203 01:04:57,160 --> 01:05:00,360 efficient, they have a smile, they're pleasant. They. Help you 1204 01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:03,660 bag everything. It's, you know, because I've seen the opposite 1205 01:05:03,660 --> 01:05:04,920 ends of the spectrum. Oh, 1206 01:05:04,920 --> 01:05:08,640 totally. We have those. Sucks. Yeah, because that's what you 1207 01:05:08,640 --> 01:05:09,720 expect, though. Because it's a 1208 01:05:09,720 --> 01:05:12,660 supermarket, they're taking your money either way. So if you're 1209 01:05:12,660 --> 01:05:15,000 going to take my money, God, if it's pleasurable, 1210 01:05:15,240 --> 01:05:18,780 yeah, the experience matters, yeah. And when you got somebody 1211 01:05:18,780 --> 01:05:24,200 who is an entertaining aspect of it. Look at the bartenders. You 1212 01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:27,380 ever see a flare tender? You had to in your days on the road. If 1213 01:05:27,380 --> 01:05:29,540 I was a bartender, I would be a flare tender. You know what a 1214 01:05:29,540 --> 01:05:33,080 flare tender is? Put some, you know, some spins Tom, some Tom 1215 01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:36,500 Cruise stuff, Tom Cruise, like cocktail, right? So we first saw 1216 01:05:36,500 --> 01:05:41,800 that when we moved to Vegas, and that bartender made bank because 1217 01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:43,060 you're entertaining. Now, 1218 01:05:44,200 --> 01:05:48,280 even if you don't go that far and you are just a great person 1219 01:05:48,460 --> 01:05:52,540 on it, you're on it. And if the you have the art of like, 1220 01:05:52,540 --> 01:05:55,660 there's someone way down at the bar, he's holding up $100 bill. 1221 01:05:55,660 --> 01:05:58,180 He's just trying to get your attention. He's not, I've done 1222 01:05:58,180 --> 01:06:00,100 that. I'm not trying to be douche. I'm just letting you 1223 01:06:00,100 --> 01:06:03,240 know, hey, I'm gonna hook you up, bro, yeah, it just give me, 1224 01:06:03,720 --> 01:06:06,840 give me a nod and be like, one second, or I'll be right with 1225 01:06:06,840 --> 01:06:09,120 you or something. It's the ones that ignore you. And he's like, 1226 01:06:09,120 --> 01:06:11,220 is it my ever going to be greeted? Here am I chopped 1227 01:06:11,220 --> 01:06:15,960 liver? It's acknowledgement. Acknowledge. Huge, huge, big. 1228 01:06:16,020 --> 01:06:18,960 Yeah, you know, being a session drummer. Well, that's the 1229 01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:21,980 thing that you talked about, um, you know, in like, we kind of 1230 01:06:21,980 --> 01:06:25,100 did some driving scenes, and we would ask questions, demand 1231 01:06:25,520 --> 01:06:29,300 element, which, back in the good old days, it's the best car 1232 01:06:29,300 --> 01:06:32,360 ever. Know about you. You made, you made so many different 1233 01:06:32,360 --> 01:06:34,700 little wisdom nuggets that I remember at the time hearing 1234 01:06:34,700 --> 01:06:37,460 them come out of your mouth. I would file them in the back of 1235 01:06:37,460 --> 01:06:42,040 my head. One of them was, look, treat everybody in the studio, 1236 01:06:42,040 --> 01:06:44,380 at least in the studio setting, you know, you're talking about 1237 01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:49,000 recording at the time, like, like you would want to be 1238 01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:51,820 treated, or they would want to be treated. You know, you they, 1239 01:06:51,820 --> 01:06:54,220 the people that are at the front desk are working there, they're 1240 01:06:54,220 --> 01:06:56,200 getting their foot in the door. And for somebody who's 1241 01:06:56,200 --> 01:06:58,420 influential coming in, who's actually doing the thing they 1242 01:06:58,420 --> 01:07:03,120 want to do, for you, to be nice to them was just a huge part of 1243 01:07:03,120 --> 01:07:06,660 their day, and it's your brand. Your Brand made them feel good, 1244 01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:10,080 because you said, Look, every single person in that building 1245 01:07:10,080 --> 01:07:13,680 wants to move up. Yeah, they want to excel in their career. 1246 01:07:13,800 --> 01:07:16,980 And if they can remember me and how I treated them, that's going 1247 01:07:16,980 --> 01:07:19,980 to help me, because eventually, if they land in an engineer spot 1248 01:07:19,980 --> 01:07:23,000 or a second engineer and then to become a producer, maybe they 1249 01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:26,960 become, you know, into the alongside of a major artist, and 1250 01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:29,480 they remember me, I can be a part of that gig. You had the 1251 01:07:29,480 --> 01:07:32,600 right attitude. I can't imagine. I think a lot more people 1252 01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:36,200 because of you sharing that information, probably apply 1253 01:07:36,200 --> 01:07:39,380 those principles to their lives, which makes competition more 1254 01:07:39,380 --> 01:07:42,640 fierce. But for probably once upon a time, you so you talked 1255 01:07:42,640 --> 01:07:45,280 about getting vibed out in the studio, especially when you were 1256 01:07:45,280 --> 01:07:45,400 new. 1257 01:07:45,520 --> 01:07:48,700 Oh, and you're new, yeah, yeah. Gotta be nice to everybody. I 1258 01:07:48,820 --> 01:07:53,020 mean, just doing a great job as a as a hired gun musician, you 1259 01:07:53,020 --> 01:07:55,720 know, you get the information. You talk to the producer or the 1260 01:07:55,720 --> 01:07:58,180 artist or the engineer. What are we looking for? What's the vibe? 1261 01:07:58,180 --> 01:08:00,660 What's the energy you're referencing? What are the what 1262 01:08:00,660 --> 01:08:02,700 are the artists? Who other artists? Oh, it's like a stone 1263 01:08:02,700 --> 01:08:05,940 temple pilot thing. Okay, so I'm gonna bring my, you know, Ludwig 1264 01:08:05,940 --> 01:08:08,760 Vista lights, a wide open bass drum. But I'm gonna have a towel 1265 01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:11,460 in the car, some towels. I'm gonna have a variety of pillows 1266 01:08:11,460 --> 01:08:15,180 in the car, a variety of snare drums. I got a, Oh, it got a 1267 01:08:15,180 --> 01:08:17,820 bunch of sticks and mallets. And every 1268 01:08:17,819 --> 01:08:21,319 drummer of your level when you were coming up. Did they have 1269 01:08:21,739 --> 01:08:26,419 that wherewithal and that awareness to even have those 1270 01:08:26,419 --> 01:08:29,599 things on hand, just in case? Were you kind of, like, were you 1271 01:08:29,599 --> 01:08:30,019 ahead of the 1272 01:08:30,020 --> 01:08:33,380 curve? I think I most guys have the stuff on hand. You know, you 1273 01:08:33,380 --> 01:08:36,440 gotta have a variety of snare drums, or just have one really 1274 01:08:36,440 --> 01:08:40,720 amazing snare drum that can do a lot of things, and you can get 1275 01:08:40,720 --> 01:08:43,420 there quickly. But what if you break the bottom head on that 1276 01:08:43,480 --> 01:08:45,940 one snare drum? Like you at least got to have two drums, 1277 01:08:45,940 --> 01:08:49,000 because time is money in the studio. So what if you the snare 1278 01:08:49,000 --> 01:08:52,480 wires pop, or the bottom head pops, and then you're eating up 1279 01:08:52,480 --> 01:08:56,020 time? But no, no one wants to deal with that, man, it's time 1280 01:08:56,080 --> 01:09:00,180 is money a second bass drum pedal, you know? Because what if 1281 01:09:00,180 --> 01:09:02,160 you break the spring, you know, right? 1282 01:09:02,940 --> 01:09:07,500 What do you bring to a typical like, demo session or, you know, 1283 01:09:07,500 --> 01:09:12,060 because when you're recording things these days, what are you 1284 01:09:12,060 --> 01:09:13,920 bringing with you into a studio? 1285 01:09:16,020 --> 01:09:18,120 And does it vary for it varies project 1286 01:09:18,120 --> 01:09:20,520 to project, because, so let's say they're going to a studio. 1287 01:09:20,520 --> 01:09:22,760 There's a house kit. So you talk to the person that owns the 1288 01:09:22,760 --> 01:09:25,340 studio, the engineer or the producer, you say, like, hey, 1289 01:09:25,340 --> 01:09:27,560 what's the condition? Like, what is the make and model of the 1290 01:09:27,800 --> 01:09:29,900 house? Kid, what is the condition? Is it well 1291 01:09:29,900 --> 01:09:35,480 maintained? Is there hardware? This is the Can I just the snare 1292 01:09:35,480 --> 01:09:39,500 drum? Is there a high hat clutch? Is there is stuff 1293 01:09:39,500 --> 01:09:43,300 stripped out? Is the bass drum pedal. Is it squeaky? Is there 1294 01:09:43,300 --> 01:09:46,420 metal rubbing on metal on the simple stands? Are there Felts? 1295 01:09:47,320 --> 01:09:50,920 And they say, man, it's it's pretty good, and the heads are 1296 01:09:50,920 --> 01:09:53,140 pretty fresh. And you go like, Oh, great day. So then, really, 1297 01:09:53,140 --> 01:09:58,120 all I need to bring is my stick bag, a bag of percussion to over 1298 01:09:58,120 --> 01:10:02,040 dub, some stuff, a couple. Snare drums. Still probably going to 1299 01:10:02,040 --> 01:10:04,260 bring my bass drum pedal, because that's so personal. 1300 01:10:04,260 --> 01:10:07,200 Yeah, what if the pedal really is super squeaky, or it's, like, 1301 01:10:07,200 --> 01:10:11,040 super tight, oh, like, and you can barely move it. That's 1302 01:10:11,040 --> 01:10:13,560 really going to slow down your day. You're not going to have a 1303 01:10:13,560 --> 01:10:15,900 good time. You're not going to sound like yourself. And then 1304 01:10:16,380 --> 01:10:18,660 it's, no matter what they say about the hi hat stand and the 1305 01:10:18,660 --> 01:10:21,140 snare drum stand, it's always good to have those things 1306 01:10:21,140 --> 01:10:24,200 because, you know, the way I play pretty physically, you 1307 01:10:24,200 --> 01:10:28,940 know, a student model 1970s snare drum stands probably not 1308 01:10:28,940 --> 01:10:32,180 gonna hold up, right? And then you gotta have lug locks. You 1309 01:10:32,180 --> 01:10:34,700 gotta have tons of gaff tape, because you can use the gaff 1310 01:10:34,700 --> 01:10:37,460 tape to modify the sound of your drums. But you can also use the 1311 01:10:37,460 --> 01:10:41,740 gaff tape to first thing I do is I gaff down the bass drum spurs, 1312 01:10:41,860 --> 01:10:45,160 so that doesn't move because I have a gorilla foot, and then I 1313 01:10:45,580 --> 01:10:50,020 gaff down the bass drum pedal, so that doesn't slide off, 1314 01:10:50,020 --> 01:10:53,020 because I have some sort of a weird technique with my bass 1315 01:10:53,020 --> 01:10:55,660 drum where I kind of slide on the pedal, and it just makes the 1316 01:10:55,900 --> 01:10:58,540 bass drum pedal do this soaks out, which is not 1317 01:10:58,540 --> 01:11:01,500 fun. So the bottom of the bass drum pedal you're taping down. 1318 01:11:01,560 --> 01:11:03,960 Yeah, even when I go to these jam nights, you know, the 1319 01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:07,260 Nashville drummers jams, or Tom Hurst loud jams, or whatever, 1320 01:11:07,500 --> 01:11:10,920 I'm the weird guy that runs up after the other guy. You have 1321 01:11:11,100 --> 01:11:13,380 other guys getting off. I'm patting him on the back. Great 1322 01:11:13,380 --> 01:11:16,080 job, man. Get the hell off, because I gotta. I taped down 1323 01:11:16,080 --> 01:11:18,240 because I know that I'm only going to play a song for three 1324 01:11:18,240 --> 01:11:20,600 and a half minutes. It's probably going to be videotaped 1325 01:11:20,600 --> 01:11:24,200 for all time. I want to enjoy myself. So this could be a deal 1326 01:11:24,200 --> 01:11:26,840 breaker, so I tape that sucker down. Then I'll probably put a 1327 01:11:26,840 --> 01:11:29,840 couple of strips of duct tape on the snare drum stand super quick 1328 01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:32,900 while the girl singers like how you guys doing you having a good 1329 01:11:32,900 --> 01:11:37,040 time taping stuff. You know, I'm taping it down so I can enjoy 1330 01:11:37,040 --> 01:11:37,580 myself. 1331 01:11:37,700 --> 01:11:39,920 So you have, you have your own gaff tape that you bring with 1332 01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:41,500 you. Always, wow. Always got 1333 01:11:41,500 --> 01:11:44,860 my man bag, you know, with my lug locks and my gaff tape and 1334 01:11:44,860 --> 01:11:48,520 my my pedals and you might need in ear monitors. Or you might, 1335 01:11:48,520 --> 01:11:49,540 you know, it's just good to 1336 01:11:49,540 --> 01:11:53,140 have this stuff with you. Okay, this is getting geek talk. We're 1337 01:11:53,140 --> 01:11:56,020 getting very professional. Just professionalism. I'm not blaming 1338 01:11:56,020 --> 01:11:58,360 you. I'm this is fascinating to me. I don't think I've ever we 1339 01:11:58,360 --> 01:12:00,820 have these conversations out of all the time we've known each 1340 01:12:00,820 --> 01:12:02,980 other. This is where all the business people are changing. 1341 01:12:02,980 --> 01:12:04,920 Business people are checking out the podcast they're off. But 1342 01:12:04,920 --> 01:12:07,620 this is the thing. This is about what you need to be prepared. 1343 01:12:08,040 --> 01:12:10,620 And a lot of people just aren't that prepared, 1344 01:12:10,620 --> 01:12:13,200 systems and processes, especially if you're gonna try 1345 01:12:13,200 --> 01:12:18,060 repetition travel for a living. Man, yeah, I just bought my new 1346 01:12:18,060 --> 01:12:22,640 bat. My last backpack made it eight years? Yeah, leather 1347 01:12:22,640 --> 01:12:26,540 backpack, really nice. Went around the world. Yeah, I got a 1348 01:12:26,540 --> 01:12:31,460 new one for 2025 with all the fresh zippers, and it's got that 1349 01:12:31,460 --> 01:12:35,900 new backpack smell, and all my stuff goes in a specific 1350 01:12:35,900 --> 01:12:38,600 compartment, because you want to be able to find things quickly, 1351 01:12:38,600 --> 01:12:42,160 and you want to know where everything is, so you don't lose 1352 01:12:42,160 --> 01:12:45,340 things, because then you start losing, you know, your iPhone 1353 01:12:45,340 --> 01:12:48,220 charger and your computer charger, and, God forbid your 1354 01:12:48,220 --> 01:12:53,680 laptop said security. So you got to have systems together when 1355 01:12:53,680 --> 01:12:55,480 you're mobile. Yeah, you know, 1356 01:12:55,660 --> 01:12:59,440 and know where all things are at all times. How many symbols do 1357 01:12:59,440 --> 01:13:00,420 you think you have? Well, we 1358 01:13:02,400 --> 01:13:05,760 start thinking about drum sets. I mean, just drum sets, man, I 1359 01:13:05,760 --> 01:13:11,760 got three drum sets in a locker in Burbank, California. I have 1360 01:13:11,820 --> 01:13:18,240 three drum sets at drum paradise in Nashville, along with about 1361 01:13:18,240 --> 01:13:24,260 25 snare drums and tons of symbols, bags and vaults of 1362 01:13:24,260 --> 01:13:28,820 symbols. And then I have stuff at Jason l Dean's locker. 1363 01:13:29,540 --> 01:13:32,960 There's a B rig that is ready to go in the locker, in case we 1364 01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:35,300 have back to back gigs in different parts of the country. 1365 01:13:35,540 --> 01:13:42,040 Then I have my a rig that lives on Jason's, you know, semi, 1366 01:13:42,160 --> 01:13:46,540 yeah, and that's got tons of backup symbols, several backup 1367 01:13:46,540 --> 01:13:53,260 snare drums. Then I have tons of stuff at Crash studio, my 1368 01:13:53,260 --> 01:13:58,000 studio, yeah, in Nashville, another 30 snare drums, 1369 01:13:59,200 --> 01:14:02,460 nine drum sets. So think of the days when you just had the 1370 01:14:02,460 --> 01:14:04,200 Yamaha kit, the one 1371 01:14:04,440 --> 01:14:09,780 drum set that only did one thing in the floor time was hung from 1372 01:14:09,780 --> 01:14:14,100 the it was a rack tom. It was, it was, it was a rack floor 1373 01:14:14,220 --> 01:14:18,240 because it was the Dave weckel Smokey black with the gold lugs. 1374 01:14:18,300 --> 01:14:20,900 Okay, I wonder who has that kit now, man, because 1375 01:14:21,200 --> 01:14:24,620 you that's that's very nostalgic for you. Totally. It's funny 1376 01:14:24,620 --> 01:14:28,880 because I did that with my pearl exports. We had two of the 1377 01:14:28,880 --> 01:14:34,100 drums, I think I, I made my 16 by 16 floor tom, a hanging floor 1378 01:14:34,100 --> 01:14:38,060 tom with just one of the pearl Yeah. Adapters. Drilled the 1379 01:14:38,060 --> 01:14:39,500 whole the whole nine yards. Yeah. I 1380 01:14:39,500 --> 01:14:41,680 think about the history of the drums you've had. I had that 1381 01:14:41,680 --> 01:14:46,060 those cherry red Yamaha stage customs and then, but 1382 01:14:46,240 --> 01:14:49,300 you didn't have duplicate kits back then, it was a matter of 1383 01:14:49,300 --> 01:14:53,380 affordability. Yeah, so your first endorsement deal was with 1384 01:14:53,380 --> 01:14:58,360 sonor back in no one or two. So you what was that like? You 1385 01:14:58,360 --> 01:15:02,160 know, did you get to pick. Pick out, you know, hey, you got you, 1386 01:15:02,160 --> 01:15:04,020 hey kid you got you could pick out four kids. Go 1387 01:15:04,020 --> 01:15:06,960 have fun. Beggars could not be choosers. Back then, when I was 1388 01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:10,020 new on that roster, I was playing with a group called rush 1389 01:15:10,020 --> 01:15:13,380 low, with Tim rush low from little Texas. And, you know, we 1390 01:15:13,380 --> 01:15:16,620 worked really hard. We had two soft hits on country radio and 1391 01:15:18,600 --> 01:15:20,340 can't be your friend. 1392 01:15:20,400 --> 01:15:24,680 Yep. And I got a anymore. I got an S Class drum set. That's 1393 01:15:24,680 --> 01:15:27,260 funny, because that's the flagship Mercedes. It's the, 1394 01:15:27,500 --> 01:15:32,300 yeah, it's the S Class drum set. And that drum set ended up on 1395 01:15:34,220 --> 01:15:39,260 hick town. It ended up on the video. It's in the in the middle 1396 01:15:39,260 --> 01:15:42,700 of middle of this mud pit surrounded by monster trucks and 1397 01:15:42,700 --> 01:15:47,440 flames and smoke and hot chicks, and I actually might be selling 1398 01:15:48,520 --> 01:15:52,120 the hick town drum set. Might be really I was thinking about 1399 01:15:52,240 --> 01:15:55,060 letting it go into the universe. I think it would be great if it 1400 01:15:55,060 --> 01:15:58,300 ended up in like a Hard Rock Hotel or a Hard Rock Cafe. Yeah, 1401 01:15:58,420 --> 01:16:04,320 that'd be nice. But I do know a friend of mine that is, they 1402 01:16:04,320 --> 01:16:09,780 call him the drum pusher, and he sells celebrity drummer drum 1403 01:16:09,780 --> 01:16:13,740 sets. And is he the guy who did celebrity sidemen? Now, 1404 01:16:13,740 --> 01:16:16,380 if you again, if you're listening to this podcast, very 1405 01:16:16,380 --> 01:16:20,280 musical, a lot of insight, not inside baseball stuff, but I 1406 01:16:20,280 --> 01:16:23,360 hope still good information that you could take and apply to your 1407 01:16:23,360 --> 01:16:28,400 business, because a lot of what you know Rich is, of course, 1408 01:16:28,400 --> 01:16:32,000 technique. A lot of people see you as a country rock drummer, 1409 01:16:32,720 --> 01:16:37,580 but it's amazing, because you do have a really varied approach to 1410 01:16:37,640 --> 01:16:40,240 different styles and all the things that you know, you know, 1411 01:16:40,240 --> 01:16:43,060 you have one of the most buttery, smooth, freaking double 1412 01:16:43,060 --> 01:16:45,820 stroke roles I've ever seen. And, you know, I've seen you 1413 01:16:45,820 --> 01:16:48,760 play jazz, I've seen you play big band. I've seen you do snare 1414 01:16:48,760 --> 01:16:52,000 solos. I mean, you are classically, you're a master 1415 01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:56,920 percussionist at what you do, but you're also and you and I 1416 01:16:56,920 --> 01:16:59,440 have talked about this over the years, is the fact that you have 1417 01:16:59,440 --> 01:17:05,520 such business acumen in a multitude of areas, in probably 1418 01:17:05,520 --> 01:17:08,880 one of the most difficult businesses on the planet, you 1419 01:17:08,880 --> 01:17:11,760 know, which is very applicable to, I think all businesses. 1420 01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:13,980 I mean which one is gross and which one is 1421 01:17:16,200 --> 01:17:18,720 net. Give me a good episode. So, but yeah, you 1422 01:17:20,040 --> 01:17:22,940 probably don't use that one a lot on your podcast, forgetting. 1423 01:17:23,780 --> 01:17:27,860 Oh, yeah. People love it. Yeah, it's apropos. Well, thanks, Jim. 1424 01:17:27,860 --> 01:17:30,320 I feel like you know what, you've had me on your show and 1425 01:17:30,320 --> 01:17:34,520 your various iterations of your shows over the years well, and 1426 01:17:34,520 --> 01:17:38,660 there's only so many things you can ask me, but you have found 1427 01:17:38,660 --> 01:17:40,780 all these different ways to ask it, 1428 01:17:40,960 --> 01:17:43,540 and you know, it's still fascinating to me, because it's 1429 01:17:43,540 --> 01:17:47,020 still, you know, as much of a lifestyle, it probably wouldn't 1430 01:17:47,020 --> 01:17:49,720 have been a match for me. It's still fascinating. It's still 1431 01:17:49,900 --> 01:17:54,160 interesting. Because even when I sold cars, people were 1432 01:17:54,160 --> 01:17:58,000 fascinated. People hated car sales, people, but I believe I 1433 01:17:58,000 --> 01:18:00,600 was an exception to the rule, because I did it. Integris Lee, 1434 01:18:00,600 --> 01:18:04,980 I did it very honestly, and I made friends with my customers 1435 01:18:04,980 --> 01:18:07,800 and made sure that they could trust me, but they were always 1436 01:18:07,800 --> 01:18:12,600 intrigued about the back room workings of a car dealership. 1437 01:18:12,660 --> 01:18:13,080 Yeah, well, 1438 01:18:13,080 --> 01:18:16,140 when he when you say, Well, let me go talk to my boss, right. 1439 01:18:16,200 --> 01:18:19,980 Where are you going and what are you saying? But, you know, I 1440 01:18:19,980 --> 01:18:22,200 kind of got to the point where I'm like, you know, if this is 1441 01:18:22,200 --> 01:18:24,800 the kind of if this kind of, if this, if we can get this, and I 1442 01:18:24,800 --> 01:18:27,740 can get my brought my boss to agree on it, is this something 1443 01:18:27,740 --> 01:18:30,740 you want to move on? You know? If he says, Okay, are you ready 1444 01:18:30,740 --> 01:18:34,040 to move on this? I can't take this to him, and with a weak 1445 01:18:34,100 --> 01:18:37,340 agreement, you know, if we're going to be talking about, let's 1446 01:18:37,340 --> 01:18:39,860 doing the let's do the deal. Let's figure out a price point, 1447 01:18:39,860 --> 01:18:42,220 and let's see. I don't know what he's going to be agreeable to. 1448 01:18:42,280 --> 01:18:44,860 Let's Make a Deal seriously. Yeah. And that's the way I would 1449 01:18:44,860 --> 01:18:47,620 kind of put it to them and say, Is this so if he's a we come 1450 01:18:47,620 --> 01:18:50,080 back and he's good to go. Are you good to go now you're ready 1451 01:18:50,080 --> 01:18:52,180 to put this thing in your driveway this afternoon? Did 1452 01:18:52,180 --> 01:18:54,160 that work? A lot. Yeah, nice. Because typically, you know, at 1453 01:18:54,160 --> 01:18:58,540 that point I would say it in such a way that it was I was 1454 01:18:58,540 --> 01:19:01,920 serious, because, like, if I can get them to agree? I don't know. 1455 01:19:01,920 --> 01:19:04,080 I don't know where we were in the month of terms of how 1456 01:19:04,080 --> 01:19:07,800 desperate we were to move metal and how many cars were out and 1457 01:19:07,800 --> 01:19:10,080 what kind of grosses were on them. I mean, there was all 1458 01:19:10,080 --> 01:19:13,740 nebulous. It was all a lot of variables in that business, 1459 01:19:13,740 --> 01:19:14,520 yeah, you know. 1460 01:19:14,580 --> 01:19:18,360 But ultimately, it's, it's about the customer, what they was, 1461 01:19:19,080 --> 01:19:21,260 your case, your artist, and whoever you're working for, 1462 01:19:21,260 --> 01:19:21,560 right? 1463 01:19:21,620 --> 01:19:26,840 Totally, we you've heard it five bajillion times. We are here to 1464 01:19:26,840 --> 01:19:29,900 serve the song, serve the artist. So 1465 01:19:29,900 --> 01:19:33,260 is the artist a customer. Is the song, the customer or the 1466 01:19:33,260 --> 01:19:38,600 listener, the customer, right? They're all, that's all a yes, 1467 01:19:38,660 --> 01:19:42,220 yeah, that's that was a problem with radio. The artist can't 1468 01:19:42,220 --> 01:19:46,180 exist without the listener, the audience, the fans, 1469 01:19:46,300 --> 01:19:53,680 and there would be no audience without the song, right, right? 1470 01:19:54,100 --> 01:19:58,180 Yeah. So it's this symbiotic relationship. 1471 01:19:58,600 --> 01:20:02,040 It's such a balance, definitely. Complicated balance, even in 1472 01:20:02,040 --> 01:20:05,340 radio coming up in that business, I always said it was 1473 01:20:05,340 --> 01:20:08,100 the most complicated business to sudden, you know, in general, 1474 01:20:08,100 --> 01:20:13,680 because you've got two end users to appease in that business. 1475 01:20:13,680 --> 01:20:17,100 You've got your listener, and then you got your advertiser, 1476 01:20:17,280 --> 01:20:21,620 you know, and the you had to create an audience of listeners 1477 01:20:21,620 --> 01:20:25,160 that would appeal to a certain kind of advertiser. And a lot of 1478 01:20:25,160 --> 01:20:29,180 the sales people will say, well, our audience, the advertisers, 1479 01:20:29,180 --> 01:20:31,400 more important than the listener, except what pays for 1480 01:20:31,400 --> 01:20:33,980 everything. I mean, we would say, well, as program people, 1481 01:20:33,980 --> 01:20:36,980 programming department people, without the listener, you've got 1482 01:20:36,980 --> 01:20:39,620 nothing to say, no business which comes first chicken or the 1483 01:20:39,620 --> 01:20:44,200 egg and so, and then you work for a publicly traded company, 1484 01:20:44,200 --> 01:20:47,260 you throw in a shareholder, oh, boy, you got three. It's a 1485 01:20:47,260 --> 01:20:49,960 delicate balance, and that's why you've seen a lot of these radio 1486 01:20:49,960 --> 01:20:52,540 companies are just faltering these days. Yeah, they didn't 1487 01:20:52,540 --> 01:20:53,740 keep up with technology. 1488 01:20:53,920 --> 01:20:58,960 You know? We should do is scratch our own back, you know? 1489 01:20:58,960 --> 01:21:03,900 We do have this thing called the rich Redmond show, and we have 1490 01:21:03,900 --> 01:21:08,460 220 episodes. Yes, pretty incredible. It is. It's amazing 1491 01:21:08,460 --> 01:21:09,780 that we just keep showing up. 1492 01:21:09,780 --> 01:21:14,700 It's akin to Michael Knox, Jason Aldean, sticking it out for six, 1493 01:21:14,700 --> 01:21:18,420 seven years. Yeah, and it's funny, you know, weird kind of 1494 01:21:18,420 --> 01:21:20,880 doing the same thing in podcasting world. Yeah. I tell 1495 01:21:20,880 --> 01:21:23,000 all my clients, well, you know, when can I monitor can I 1496 01:21:23,000 --> 01:21:25,580 monetize that? Sometimes that question comes up and I say, you 1497 01:21:25,580 --> 01:21:27,980 can monetize right off the out of the gate, if you want. Yeah. 1498 01:21:27,980 --> 01:21:30,620 Well, how do I do that? Hang a shingle. I put put an ad rate 1499 01:21:30,620 --> 01:21:34,820 card together. How much for a 30 or 15, a 60? How much is a show 1500 01:21:34,820 --> 01:21:38,360 sponsorship? How much is a studio sponsorship? You know? 1501 01:21:38,360 --> 01:21:40,600 How do we put numbers to all that? The numbers aren't going 1502 01:21:40,600 --> 01:21:42,880 to be huge, but they could certainly offset your production 1503 01:21:42,880 --> 01:21:45,520 costs. You could probably find somebody who's willing to take a 1504 01:21:45,520 --> 01:21:49,540 gamble on the show a year from now being something and they 1505 01:21:49,540 --> 01:21:52,780 get, they get in on the ground floor of an opportunity, and pay 1506 01:21:53,140 --> 01:21:58,540 a very nice entry fee to get their business plastered all 1507 01:21:58,540 --> 01:22:01,560 over this thing, and then they have first right of refusal 1508 01:22:01,560 --> 01:22:04,200 when, hey, now we got numbers, let's renegotiate. Well, now we 1509 01:22:04,200 --> 01:22:07,200 got we can, you know, ask for a lot more. You're more than 1510 01:22:07,200 --> 01:22:10,440 welcome to accommodate this price. This is our agreement for 1511 01:22:10,440 --> 01:22:13,020 a year. If not, we'll find somebody who will, you know, and 1512 01:22:13,020 --> 01:22:15,840 that's a lot of people kind of go into podcasting. Well, one 1513 01:22:15,840 --> 01:22:18,540 can I monetize? I always say right off the bat, but don't get 1514 01:22:18,540 --> 01:22:22,220 your hopes up. Monetize it through the joy. Have you got to 1515 01:22:22,220 --> 01:22:25,700 find the fun in doing this? You know, much like you guys did 1516 01:22:26,540 --> 01:22:29,660 from 90s, you did it. You wanted to do it for work and make a 1517 01:22:29,660 --> 01:22:33,200 living. But, man, so does million other people. But 1518 01:22:33,200 --> 01:22:38,000 podcasting, much like authoring books nowadays, is basically a 1519 01:22:38,720 --> 01:22:40,480 business card for some other 1520 01:22:40,480 --> 01:22:42,760 business? Sure, right? There's so many, there's so many 1521 01:22:42,760 --> 01:22:45,940 elements to a podcast. I mean, it's talking about your own 1522 01:22:45,940 --> 01:22:50,560 business. It's talking about other people's business. Who do 1523 01:22:50,560 --> 01:22:54,100 you want to meet? Do you want to meet a CEO and invite them on 1524 01:22:54,100 --> 01:22:56,980 your podcast? You never know, ask. You got a show, you got a 1525 01:22:56,980 --> 01:22:59,440 platform. It's got, you know, you getting a couple 100 1526 01:22:59,440 --> 01:23:02,040 downloads and episodes, nothing to balk at. You got somebody 1527 01:23:02,040 --> 01:23:03,240 who's enjoying it no and over 1528 01:23:03,240 --> 01:23:05,700 the years, we want to publicly thank you. Know Angie McCarthy's 1529 01:23:05,700 --> 01:23:09,960 her birthday today, from rock. Angie and Kelly were a sponsor, 1530 01:23:10,020 --> 01:23:12,540 a long time sponsor. It was very, very fun. And then, of 1531 01:23:12,540 --> 01:23:16,020 course, my friend Bruce Klein, who was the lead singer of said, 1532 01:23:16,020 --> 01:23:19,560 best top 40 band in Dallas, random access. We were like long 1533 01:23:19,560 --> 01:23:22,100 time buddies, and he got into real estate, and he did some 1534 01:23:22,100 --> 01:23:27,080 advertising with us. And I always enjoyed that because, you 1535 01:23:27,080 --> 01:23:30,140 know, you put so much time and energy into the show, and it was 1536 01:23:30,140 --> 01:23:33,200 a great way for me to get you paid, you know. So if there's 1537 01:23:33,200 --> 01:23:36,620 any listeners out there that want to, you know, advertise on 1538 01:23:36,620 --> 01:23:41,380 a hip, fresh, cool music, motivation, success, 1539 01:23:41,380 --> 01:23:46,240 entrepreneurial angle podcast, you know, talk to us. I think, I 1540 01:23:46,240 --> 01:23:49,960 think our podcast would be great for, you know, coffee companies, 1541 01:23:49,960 --> 01:23:56,140 fashion brands, musical accessory brands, local, local 1542 01:23:56,140 --> 01:24:00,900 music stores, spots in hips, hipster spots in Nashville with 1543 01:24:00,900 --> 01:24:03,660 a, you know, great, a great taqueria. Because, you know, 1544 01:24:03,660 --> 01:24:06,420 basically every musician in the world never met a musician that 1545 01:24:06,420 --> 01:24:08,040 didn't like tacos, right? 1546 01:24:08,040 --> 01:24:11,100 Or coffee. Well, I agree with you, the coffees, the fashions, 1547 01:24:11,100 --> 01:24:14,520 things of that nature. I've often toyed around the notion of 1548 01:24:14,820 --> 01:24:18,420 taking all the podcasts we produce, and we've, John and I 1549 01:24:18,420 --> 01:24:21,560 have talked about this, putting just a rate card together. How 1550 01:24:21,560 --> 01:24:23,900 many, you know, pick the podcast you want to be on. Here's how 1551 01:24:23,900 --> 01:24:27,560 much it is for them. Here's, you know, like a network of 1552 01:24:27,560 --> 01:24:30,020 podcasts. Let's take the same spot, put it across all the 1553 01:24:30,020 --> 01:24:33,620 different podcasts and see which one hits, if this one produces 1554 01:24:33,620 --> 01:24:36,320 more than put more of an emphasis and a spend on that 1555 01:24:36,320 --> 01:24:40,420 podcast. Because I produce, you know, probably 1516 podcasts at 1556 01:24:40,420 --> 01:24:40,900 this point, 1557 01:24:41,140 --> 01:24:43,840 and we would do a live reads for our clients, you think, or, I 1558 01:24:43,840 --> 01:24:45,700 mean, because we did produced ads, 1559 01:24:45,940 --> 01:24:48,520 yeah, we did produced ads. I mean, I think the live reads, 1560 01:24:48,520 --> 01:24:54,460 the integration into an episode you would have to make a client 1561 01:24:54,460 --> 01:24:56,980 understand, there's a premium for that, because once it's 1562 01:24:56,980 --> 01:25:01,800 baked in, like that, it's um. Um, it's there forever. You know 1563 01:25:01,800 --> 01:25:06,600 what I mean? As opposed to running a 3060, or a 15 second 1564 01:25:06,600 --> 01:25:10,380 ad that can be dynamically placed, you can pull them in and 1565 01:25:10,380 --> 01:25:12,900 plug, you know, unplug them and stuff like that, which is 1566 01:25:12,900 --> 01:25:15,540 something we should probably think about doing. But, you 1567 01:25:15,540 --> 01:25:18,180 know, for the try that podcast, they've got a about three 1568 01:25:18,180 --> 01:25:21,260 sponsors at this point. Nice, they're doing, you know, video 1569 01:25:21,560 --> 01:25:24,620 they got to that run during the show, when it runs pre, pre 1570 01:25:24,620 --> 01:25:30,500 roll. So, yeah, it's, it's, it can be done. And that's the way 1571 01:25:30,800 --> 01:25:33,800 the general market is moving. You know, because some of these 1572 01:25:33,800 --> 01:25:39,080 podcasts have audiences that dwarf, or that complete love, is 1573 01:25:39,980 --> 01:25:45,880 it dwarf? Is it them dwarfing? So like some like the Joe Rogan 1574 01:25:45,880 --> 01:25:48,460 show has got an audience that dwarfs most radio I thought it 1575 01:25:48,460 --> 01:25:52,960 was a little person. Joe Rogan, no, I thought dwarf was little 1576 01:25:52,960 --> 01:25:55,420 person. But you know, how something dwarfs another thing, 1577 01:25:55,420 --> 01:25:57,700 you know? Why are we totally Yeah. So basically, he's got an 1578 01:25:57,700 --> 01:26:01,920 audience that's just probably 10 times larger than most radio 1579 01:26:01,920 --> 01:26:05,700 networks, like the entirety of the CBS infinity Radio Network 1580 01:26:05,820 --> 01:26:08,040 Joe Rogan probably has from his one show, and it's 1581 01:26:08,040 --> 01:26:12,480 pretty incredible. How did he become so popular? 1582 01:26:12,660 --> 01:26:16,080 Because he had momentum going into it. He took advantage. He 1583 01:26:16,080 --> 01:26:19,200 got into it because he loved being on Opie and Anthony show, 1584 01:26:19,200 --> 01:26:22,640 the radio show back in the day, and he says, Well, I want to do 1585 01:26:22,640 --> 01:26:27,260 that, but I'm not going to try and fight a gatekeeper or pay to 1586 01:26:27,260 --> 01:26:31,100 be on another radio show or try to, you know, audition my way on 1587 01:26:31,460 --> 01:26:34,220 XM. There's this thing called podcasting that was coming out 1588 01:26:34,220 --> 01:26:37,580 no 607 because they called it podcasting, because you could 1589 01:26:37,580 --> 01:26:41,680 actually have a broadcast of a show on an iPod. So they 1590 01:26:41,860 --> 01:26:45,220 combined the two words and went from broadcast to podcast. So 1591 01:26:46,240 --> 01:26:47,440 didn't know if you knew that. 1592 01:26:47,500 --> 01:26:52,300 Oh, yeah. And I remember Steve Jobs announcing that we had this 1593 01:26:52,300 --> 01:26:56,860 thing called a podcast. Yeah, so Marin has been at it, I think, 1594 01:26:56,920 --> 01:26:57,340 15 1595 01:26:57,340 --> 01:27:00,720 years, so that Rogan's been at it for probably nearly 20 at 1596 01:27:00,720 --> 01:27:03,240 this point. Oh, so he was before marriage. Yeah, he, I think 1597 01:27:03,300 --> 01:27:07,140 Rogan started, I would say, oh, eight or nine. Whoo, so. And, 1598 01:27:07,140 --> 01:27:10,500 you know, he didn't, it wasn't like it is now, you know, he had 1599 01:27:10,500 --> 01:27:13,200 to have, you know, the tip of the iceberg, of what you see is 1600 01:27:13,260 --> 01:27:15,180 the rest of the iceberg underneath the sea as well. All 1601 01:27:15,180 --> 01:27:18,660 the work he put into it, kept doing, kept going. He kept 1602 01:27:18,660 --> 01:27:21,440 going. And a lot of what we're doing today, I think, with you 1603 01:27:21,440 --> 01:27:25,940 and I doing your show, and what I'm doing with my show this 1604 01:27:25,940 --> 01:27:28,940 particular show, yeah, it's not, it's, it's a local business 1605 01:27:28,940 --> 01:27:31,820 show, yeah, I'm not going to be freaking hitting it out of the 1606 01:27:31,820 --> 01:27:35,600 park with a ton of listens. The funny thing is, I have a podcast 1607 01:27:35,660 --> 01:27:40,100 that's 11 episodes deep, and we need to start it up again. It's 1608 01:27:40,100 --> 01:27:42,320 called capes and hammers. I don't know if I told you about 1609 01:27:42,320 --> 01:27:44,500 this. Oh, it's about it's about Marvel, the Marvel stuff, all 1610 01:27:44,500 --> 01:27:46,780 the movies and everything like that. There's a lot of Marvel 1611 01:27:46,780 --> 01:27:49,600 fans. We haven't produced an episode on that friggin podcast 1612 01:27:49,600 --> 01:27:52,600 in probably three years. It still gets downloads. Who's the 1613 01:27:52,600 --> 01:27:56,980 other people? It was CJ Whelan and gray. Arnold. Gray was like 1614 01:27:57,040 --> 01:28:02,580 the the Encyclopedia of comic book knowledge, which, oddly 1615 01:28:02,580 --> 01:28:05,640 enough, I've got somebody like that, and Ben, a new associate 1616 01:28:05,640 --> 01:28:08,340 that works with me. Oh, Ben's a Marvel guy. Yeah, he's, he's a 1617 01:28:08,340 --> 01:28:11,940 comic, comic book guy. And CJ was one of the guys at the 1618 01:28:11,940 --> 01:28:15,780 previous organization who was a great technician, great 1619 01:28:15,780 --> 01:28:19,140 electrician. Now he's actually, if you need an electrician, I'll 1620 01:28:19,140 --> 01:28:22,520 give him a plug. CJ Whelan, great guy. He's here locally in 1621 01:28:22,520 --> 01:28:26,120 Spring Hill, and he does a great job. Comes to your house. He's 1622 01:28:26,120 --> 01:28:28,880 great in front of your kids, in front of your family, very good 1623 01:28:28,940 --> 01:28:32,720 customer facing person, and he's got a family to feed, and great. 1624 01:28:32,720 --> 01:28:35,540 He just does a great job. So he would also be on the podcast, 1625 01:28:35,540 --> 01:28:38,660 because he was intrigued like I was, and I said, you know, we 1626 01:28:38,660 --> 01:28:41,260 would always have these amazing conversations before they would 1627 01:28:41,260 --> 01:28:45,040 go off and work for the day about different ideas of the, 1628 01:28:45,040 --> 01:28:48,520 you know, the Marvel Cinematic Universe. You know, things like, 1629 01:28:48,520 --> 01:28:52,120 you know, why did Doctor Strange, what was the one thing 1630 01:28:52,120 --> 01:28:56,680 he had control over when fan, he met Thanos on Titan, you know, 1631 01:28:56,680 --> 01:28:59,860 and 10 and he they had the big fight and everything like that. 1632 01:28:59,860 --> 01:29:04,500 And Doctor Strange with all the 14 what happened? Buddy, falling 1633 01:29:04,500 --> 01:29:04,860 asleep. 1634 01:29:08,160 --> 01:29:13,140 What I mean? I mean, man, I came up loving Spider Man. But then, 1635 01:29:13,260 --> 01:29:16,140 you know that universe just expanded and expanded. I'm sure 1636 01:29:16,140 --> 01:29:17,700 there's people out there that just Yeah, 1637 01:29:18,300 --> 01:29:20,900 about that those universes, I mean, now they get into the 1638 01:29:20,900 --> 01:29:24,140 multiverse concept. And, you know, you see the Spider Man 1639 01:29:24,140 --> 01:29:26,000 where they all, three of them came together. I 1640 01:29:26,000 --> 01:29:28,940 didn't miss that one. Oh, it's a good one. Yeah, really good one. 1641 01:29:28,940 --> 01:29:29,240 Yeah, it 1642 01:29:30,380 --> 01:29:33,860 was one of the best ones since. But one of the the key movies 1643 01:29:33,860 --> 01:29:36,920 that stand out since end game were definitely that one. I 1644 01:29:36,920 --> 01:29:39,920 think Shang chi was a great movie. Like anything. I'll go 1645 01:29:39,920 --> 01:29:42,640 back and watch again. I think it's a good one, nice. And I've 1646 01:29:42,640 --> 01:29:44,260 probably seen Shang chi of like, 12 1647 01:29:44,440 --> 01:29:47,920 times. I never even had Shang chi on the to do list. Do you 1648 01:29:47,920 --> 01:29:49,600 think it's great? It's good, wow. 1649 01:29:49,660 --> 01:29:53,860 It's a kung fu movie, gotcha. If you like those, yeah, modern 1650 01:29:53,860 --> 01:29:57,520 take on it with some, you know, mystical magic and all that fun 1651 01:29:57,520 --> 01:30:01,740 stuff. Yeah? But it's. You're an author as well. We wanted to 1652 01:30:01,740 --> 01:30:05,160 make sure that we have the book behind us. You see on my shot 1653 01:30:05,160 --> 01:30:08,700 that I've got the Making it in country music book right there? 1654 01:30:08,700 --> 01:30:11,940 Yeah, we had our friend Vince Santoro on last night, who 1655 01:30:11,940 --> 01:30:15,120 played a lot of music with Dave Pomeroy and Dave Pomeroy, world 1656 01:30:15,120 --> 01:30:17,880 class bass player. He's also the president of our local 257, 1657 01:30:18,360 --> 01:30:21,920 American Federation musicians chapter here in Nashville, he 1658 01:30:21,920 --> 01:30:25,220 wrote the forward, and I had some help with this book with my 1659 01:30:25,220 --> 01:30:28,340 friend Jennifer delazana. She's a professional author, and took 1660 01:30:28,340 --> 01:30:31,220 about a year of our lives to write this thing. And got a 1661 01:30:31,820 --> 01:30:34,460 great test, a lot of testimonials from great people 1662 01:30:34,460 --> 01:30:37,700 in the industry. And think it's got five stars on Amazon, and 1663 01:30:37,940 --> 01:30:42,640 hey, it exists for all time. And if people want some insights on 1664 01:30:42,640 --> 01:30:47,140 how to shave off time on navigating the thing that is 1665 01:30:47,140 --> 01:30:47,800 Nashville 1666 01:30:49,000 --> 01:30:52,780 might help you out. You know, yeah, maybe we need to advertise 1667 01:30:52,780 --> 01:30:55,780 your book on your show. Hey, how much to advertise your book on 1668 01:30:55,780 --> 01:30:56,320 your show 1669 01:30:56,440 --> 01:30:58,840 just depends on what I need for you to produce the pug, to 1670 01:30:58,840 --> 01:31:04,440 produce the ad. Okay, sounds like a trip to Don Arturo's. And 1671 01:31:04,440 --> 01:31:07,560 you do, and you do have a nice, a nice, brand spanking new ad 1672 01:31:08,640 --> 01:31:12,060 for my drum tensive, which is really nice. But there's 1673 01:31:12,060 --> 01:31:15,600 another thing that you kind of you're a great marketer, and 1674 01:31:15,600 --> 01:31:20,300 sigh like you know your hustle is still spot on, because you've 1675 01:31:20,300 --> 01:31:24,860 created a service that where people could fly in and spend a 1676 01:31:24,860 --> 01:31:28,040 day with you, and you'll break down all that. You've done it 1677 01:31:28,280 --> 01:31:30,860 for me as I get ready to gear up and play for the Huey Lewis man 1678 01:31:30,860 --> 01:31:33,140 that's coming up, if you guys haven't heard about that, that 1679 01:31:33,140 --> 01:31:35,360 those tickets are still available by the time this comes 1680 01:31:35,360 --> 01:31:39,740 out, it should be about a week away. It's May 28 at the city 1681 01:31:39,740 --> 01:31:39,920 wide. 1682 01:31:39,980 --> 01:31:42,820 I'll be there, Jim. And also, the best thing on the city, I've 1683 01:31:42,820 --> 01:31:45,340 been there so much recently, they've got flatbreads, and 1684 01:31:45,340 --> 01:31:49,120 they've got, like, a spicy chicken flatbread. So I will be 1685 01:31:49,120 --> 01:31:52,300 front row with my flatbread and a glass of red 1686 01:31:52,420 --> 01:31:55,420 Nice. Yeah. Well, sit at the table with the wife and my 1687 01:31:55,420 --> 01:31:58,540 brother and all that fun stuff. Totally, yeah, whoever else 1688 01:31:58,540 --> 01:32:00,960 comes. And I think we have, like, a multitude of the 1689 01:32:00,960 --> 01:32:05,580 drummers that we've been, Anna coming and, oh, his Dan's 1690 01:32:05,580 --> 01:32:07,980 girlfriend, I don't know. I don't know yet. She may have to 1691 01:32:07,980 --> 01:32:12,060 work that week. She's an esthetician in Washington, so 1692 01:32:12,060 --> 01:32:13,200 Saturdays are important. 1693 01:32:13,200 --> 01:32:15,540 Oh, you mean, like facials and waxing and all that kind of 1694 01:32:15,540 --> 01:32:17,580 stuff. Good to know. So he'll be 1695 01:32:17,580 --> 01:32:20,780 there because he's playing. He and I are performing that 1696 01:32:20,780 --> 01:32:25,400 weekend in Georgia with first time he and I are playing into 1697 01:32:25,400 --> 01:32:28,520 probably about 1314, that'd be awesome. I know that'd be really 1698 01:32:28,520 --> 01:32:30,980 great. I'd love it if you moved here, man, yeah. I mean, that 1699 01:32:30,980 --> 01:32:34,580 would be so much that would just like just to be in a band with 1700 01:32:34,580 --> 01:32:37,400 him. We've never really been in a band, you know, 1701 01:32:37,400 --> 01:32:39,740 that'd be awesome being a band with my brother. But, you know, 1702 01:32:39,740 --> 01:32:42,380 neither one of my brothers play musical instrument. That would 1703 01:32:42,380 --> 01:32:45,280 be difficult. I that would be difficult, but, yeah, so, you 1704 01:32:45,280 --> 01:32:47,860 know, if there's any musicians listening, or if there's any 1705 01:32:47,860 --> 01:32:53,140 folks with with musician kids, yeah, you fly into Nashville, we 1706 01:32:53,140 --> 01:32:56,920 do three hours of educational training, and then I take you to 1707 01:32:56,920 --> 01:32:59,380 a nice lunch, which is like sushi or steak. It's definitely 1708 01:32:59,380 --> 01:33:01,560 not McDonald's. Then we do another three hours in the 1709 01:33:01,560 --> 01:33:04,740 afternoon and and I just have a deep we answer other questions. 1710 01:33:04,740 --> 01:33:08,760 Then I have a deep curriculum which kind of prepares you with 1711 01:33:08,760 --> 01:33:12,420 the skill sets that you're going to need to master to come to a 1712 01:33:12,420 --> 01:33:15,660 city like a Nashville, a New York, or a Los Angeles, because 1713 01:33:15,660 --> 01:33:19,080 it's really this, you know, a big city, Music City there, the 1714 01:33:19,080 --> 01:33:22,880 same principles are going to a ply, yeah, you know, but most 1715 01:33:22,880 --> 01:33:25,640 people are gearing up to come to Nashville, because this is one 1716 01:33:25,640 --> 01:33:28,580 of the last true places for the music industry, where people are 1717 01:33:28,640 --> 01:33:32,840 all recording in the same room at the same time, and it's still 1718 01:33:32,840 --> 01:33:36,380 affordable enough where you can get a house and have some dirt 1719 01:33:36,380 --> 01:33:40,400 under your feet, not really worry about your kids going to 1720 01:33:40,400 --> 01:33:42,940 school and, You know, create a life for yourself while you're 1721 01:33:42,940 --> 01:33:44,080 going after music, 1722 01:33:44,200 --> 01:33:47,380 I would say, for anybody that is even a hobbyist, like somebody 1723 01:33:47,380 --> 01:33:52,240 in my shoes, by nature, being around you, being your one of, 1724 01:33:52,240 --> 01:33:55,600 you know, you're one of my best friends looking at the way and 1725 01:33:55,600 --> 01:33:59,980 style that you play you I'm a chameleon like that. I absorb it 1726 01:33:59,980 --> 01:34:04,440 and I apply it, you know, I think I am not the drummer I was 1727 01:34:04,440 --> 01:34:07,740 when I was in my 20s. I think I'm a lot better. I think I'm 1728 01:34:07,740 --> 01:34:11,580 more tasteful, and I've got a lot more flamboyant energy, 1729 01:34:11,580 --> 01:34:15,360 energy, because a lot of that is your packaging that you display 1730 01:34:15,360 --> 01:34:18,240 on a nightly basis when you're out doing your thing. Yeah, for 1731 01:34:18,240 --> 01:34:21,080 anybody who's listening, who knows a drummer, or is a 1732 01:34:21,080 --> 01:34:23,600 drummer. This is great. Just even if you're a hobbyist, 1733 01:34:23,600 --> 01:34:27,200 you're playing in Des Moines and cover bands, you want to be the 1734 01:34:27,200 --> 01:34:33,680 best guy in that area. This is a good program to take rich up on, 1735 01:34:33,680 --> 01:34:37,160 because he'll break down all you know. He'll, he'll celebrate 1736 01:34:37,160 --> 01:34:39,680 your strengths and build upon your strengths. But also, hey, 1737 01:34:39,980 --> 01:34:43,060 this is a little bit weak. Let's, let's try this. I mean, I 1738 01:34:43,060 --> 01:34:47,500 think for me, you identified, we were working on shuffles, and 1739 01:34:47,500 --> 01:34:49,720 you suggested a kind of different variation of a 1740 01:34:49,720 --> 01:34:53,380 shuffle. I'm like, Okay, now I got, yeah, something here. You 1741 01:34:53,380 --> 01:34:53,500 know, 1742 01:34:53,500 --> 01:34:56,140 I just showed a student of mine the other day, Curtis, and he 1743 01:34:56,320 --> 01:34:59,920 is, he's had taken two drum 10s. So it was the second time he. 1744 01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:02,520 Flew into Nashville, the study with me, and we were talking 1745 01:35:02,520 --> 01:35:04,680 about reeling in the years, because I was talking about all 1746 01:35:04,680 --> 01:35:07,440 the different types of shuffles. So, you know, shuffles are like, 1747 01:35:07,500 --> 01:35:11,580 you don't hear him too many, too much on the radio, yeah. So you 1748 01:35:11,580 --> 01:35:13,980 don't hear him much. And so we were talking about reeling in 1749 01:35:13,980 --> 01:35:17,040 the years, which is, you know, kind of a yacht Rock Shuffle. 1750 01:35:17,220 --> 01:35:19,920 And he was playing the kick drum pattern. It was feeling pretty 1751 01:35:19,920 --> 01:35:22,520 good, but I said, put that little middle note in there 1752 01:35:23,360 --> 01:35:25,880 after beat one and after beat three, and it's kind of like the 1753 01:35:25,880 --> 01:35:28,580 glue. It's like the force, it binds it all together. And he 1754 01:35:28,580 --> 01:35:31,700 started working on that, and it just took it up a game. So this 1755 01:35:31,700 --> 01:35:34,640 attention to detail, like I said, you know, we'll find out 1756 01:35:34,640 --> 01:35:37,040 what you need to work on. Definitely going to get you into 1757 01:35:37,040 --> 01:35:40,040 reading music. You're I'm going to expose you to some other 1758 01:35:40,040 --> 01:35:42,640 styles of music. So if you're just a rock and roll drummer, 1759 01:35:42,640 --> 01:35:45,040 we're gonna talk about jazz a little bit. We're gonna talk 1760 01:35:45,280 --> 01:35:47,320 about rhythms from other countries that you can 1761 01:35:47,320 --> 01:35:50,620 incorporate into your playing. It'll make you a richer, more 1762 01:35:50,620 --> 01:35:55,000 versatile, more marketable, commercial drummer, because, 1763 01:35:55,000 --> 01:35:58,240 hey, playing drums for fun is great, but what don't you want 1764 01:35:58,240 --> 01:36:00,600 to be the best in your town at it? Don't you want to maybe make 1765 01:36:00,600 --> 01:36:03,420 a little money at it, so I can help you do that. Yeah, 1766 01:36:03,900 --> 01:36:07,680 even for those like as a voiceover, person myself doing 1767 01:36:07,680 --> 01:36:11,700 it, as long as I have finding I still could probably use some 1768 01:36:11,700 --> 01:36:16,080 coaching. The tough thing is, is finding the coach that can you 1769 01:36:16,080 --> 01:36:20,280 know that I'm not better than Yeah, I mean, and I would 1770 01:36:20,400 --> 01:36:23,960 imagine that's kind of like for you who's speaking into your 1771 01:36:23,960 --> 01:36:27,500 life as a coach that you draw, because you still have to, you 1772 01:36:27,500 --> 01:36:30,140 know, you're great at your craft, yeah, but you still want 1773 01:36:30,140 --> 01:36:33,020 to work on it and develop it. Is there anything that's happening 1774 01:36:33,020 --> 01:36:33,680 now that, 1775 01:36:34,040 --> 01:36:37,040 Oh, nice. Well, there's some of my heroes that I have been 1776 01:36:37,040 --> 01:36:40,900 following my entire life, and it just works out that the age 1777 01:36:40,900 --> 01:36:43,660 difference between us is always going to be the same, because 1778 01:36:43,660 --> 01:36:46,420 the math works out like that. So I've had a couple of peoples in 1779 01:36:46,420 --> 01:36:49,420 my life that I kind of use as career models. And these guys 1780 01:36:49,420 --> 01:36:53,620 are now in their 50s, 60s and 70s, and so I'm looking at them 1781 01:36:53,620 --> 01:36:56,860 going, how have they bobbed and weaved and changed and stayed 1782 01:36:56,860 --> 01:37:00,360 relevant and, you know, evolved in the industry? So I'll kind of 1783 01:37:00,360 --> 01:37:03,480 watch their career and like and I think that some of these guys 1784 01:37:03,480 --> 01:37:06,600 might be looking at me too, because I'm coming from another 1785 01:37:06,600 --> 01:37:09,360 generation just a couple years back and going, well, how does 1786 01:37:09,360 --> 01:37:12,360 he see the world? And, oh, man, this kid started speaking, so 1787 01:37:12,360 --> 01:37:15,720 maybe I need to start speaking. Or, Hey, this guy, you know, 1788 01:37:15,720 --> 01:37:18,960 some of these guys are making themselves uncomfortable, and 1789 01:37:18,960 --> 01:37:21,380 they're putting themselves in situations that they're not 1790 01:37:22,160 --> 01:37:24,560 necessarily doing all the time that really helps their 1791 01:37:24,560 --> 01:37:28,400 musicianship. So I have my people that I keep an eye on. 1792 01:37:28,400 --> 01:37:31,040 What are they doing? What can I keep stealing from them? Right? 1793 01:37:31,040 --> 01:37:34,220 It's obvious that things are going well for them, because he 1794 01:37:34,220 --> 01:37:37,700 just did 22 years with this recording artist, and this guy 1795 01:37:37,700 --> 01:37:42,400 just got a residency in Vegas, and this guy is doing it. So I 1796 01:37:42,400 --> 01:37:45,760 just, you know, and social media is a great way to kind of keep 1797 01:37:45,760 --> 01:37:50,320 an eye on everybody all at the same time. Yeah, just, I think 1798 01:37:50,320 --> 01:37:52,720 one of the perks of social media, as long as you don't use 1799 01:37:52,720 --> 01:37:57,760 it as you get into the death by comparison thing, because that 1800 01:37:57,760 --> 01:38:02,160 can really make you sour. And you just, you just assume that 1801 01:38:02,160 --> 01:38:05,520 everybody's got a better life than you. Yeah, is doing better? 1802 01:38:05,520 --> 01:38:05,640 They 1803 01:38:05,820 --> 01:38:09,240 can definitely put a good veneer out there. Yeah, that's exactly 1804 01:38:09,240 --> 01:38:11,760 what a lot of social media is. It's the highlight. So here's 1805 01:38:11,760 --> 01:38:15,480 the thing, we're an hour and 30 May, 38 minutes. Oh, my God, 1806 01:38:15,540 --> 01:38:18,300 we've been able to, even after knowing each other so well, 1807 01:38:18,300 --> 01:38:21,200 still have, hopefully a very compelling, informative, value 1808 01:38:21,200 --> 01:38:22,700 packed conversation. I think it 1809 01:38:22,700 --> 01:38:23,780 is, you're a good 1810 01:38:25,160 --> 01:38:27,260 host, you're a good you're a good interviewer, 1811 01:38:27,920 --> 01:38:30,800 because I still have a genuine curiosity. You know, it's we 1812 01:38:30,800 --> 01:38:33,740 probably don't talk about a lot about this stuff, you know. 1813 01:38:33,800 --> 01:38:33,980 Well, 1814 01:38:33,980 --> 01:38:37,400 you and I have just kind of dove head first into the trenches. 1815 01:38:37,400 --> 01:38:43,660 And, you know, originally starting my podcast was a way 1816 01:38:43,660 --> 01:38:48,100 for me to continually practice thinking on my feet and 1817 01:38:48,580 --> 01:38:51,520 sharpening my interview skills in a very kind of almost 1818 01:38:51,640 --> 01:38:55,480 prepared inside the actor studio, buttoned up way because 1819 01:38:55,480 --> 01:39:00,100 I had a lot of interest in potentially being like a Mario 1820 01:39:00,100 --> 01:39:05,400 Lopez, yeah. And in all honesty, I don't think that's gonna 1821 01:39:05,400 --> 01:39:09,000 happen. So I just, we're just another iteration. Yeah, you and 1822 01:39:09,000 --> 01:39:12,600 I are just kind of like, I just, we just dove into the deep end 1823 01:39:12,600 --> 01:39:17,220 of the pool, and we get in there with the our guest. And one 1824 01:39:17,220 --> 01:39:22,940 thing that the guest always says every time, so much so that 1825 01:39:22,940 --> 01:39:26,300 we're putting it on on one of our shirts. Yeah? Well, that was 1826 01:39:26,300 --> 01:39:26,600 fun. 1827 01:39:27,020 --> 01:39:30,440 It was. It's always fun. Yeah, you know, that's the thing. Is, 1828 01:39:30,440 --> 01:39:33,920 I'm a practitioner of what I tell my own clients is that even 1829 01:39:33,920 --> 01:39:36,980 though I'm not getting directly paid for doing our show, doing 1830 01:39:36,980 --> 01:39:40,580 the ales and tails podcast, it's fun. Ales and tails get free 1831 01:39:40,580 --> 01:39:44,620 beer, free beer. We get exposed to different beers. Mike is such 1832 01:39:44,620 --> 01:39:46,900 a it's another podcast I produce, the yells and tails 1833 01:39:46,900 --> 01:39:53,260 podcast, the yells and tails podcast. He is so good at 1834 01:39:53,260 --> 01:39:58,000 describing beer, his articulation of the the notes 1835 01:39:58,000 --> 01:40:02,400 and the smells and the tastes and. Flavors. It's really a fun 1836 01:40:02,400 --> 01:40:05,280 episode, a fun series of episodes to listen to, because 1837 01:40:05,340 --> 01:40:09,120 we get into the beer, then we'll let it kind of linger, and you 1838 01:40:09,120 --> 01:40:12,960 kind of want to let it marinate, and that's when we get into the 1839 01:40:12,960 --> 01:40:15,360 tales portion, whatever may come up storytelling. 1840 01:40:16,680 --> 01:40:19,500 And it could be anything that's on their mind or from their 1841 01:40:19,500 --> 01:40:22,940 past. Oh yeah, we get blue. I'm part of the show, so we're gonna 1842 01:40:22,940 --> 01:40:23,600 get blue. I think 1843 01:40:23,600 --> 01:40:27,440 it'd be nice to have some palette cleansers on that show, 1844 01:40:27,440 --> 01:40:30,320 like we do in between season, crackers and some some, 1845 01:40:30,440 --> 01:40:33,020 well, we'll clean, we'll cleanse our palettes in between every 1846 01:40:33,020 --> 01:40:36,320 episode. So we shoot three episodes at a time, because we 1847 01:40:36,320 --> 01:40:39,620 can't do any more. Four episodes will be snotcher. And it's like 1848 01:40:40,040 --> 01:40:42,580 we always say, Okay, it's the third episode. Get 1849 01:40:42,580 --> 01:40:45,580 ready. Oh, my God. Does Mike drive his Porsche, Porsche over 1850 01:40:46,000 --> 01:40:49,480 here? Nice. He is Ridgeline. He's got a Honda Ridgeline. You 1851 01:40:49,480 --> 01:40:53,560 know, we're not that bad. You know, any cops that are 1852 01:40:53,560 --> 01:40:57,700 listening so, well, man, I'm gonna wrap it up and they every 1853 01:40:57,700 --> 01:41:00,900 they can find all the things at rich, redmond.com correct, 1854 01:41:00,960 --> 01:41:03,540 R, E, D, M, o, n, d, yeah. I'd love for you to visit my 1855 01:41:03,540 --> 01:41:08,280 overpriced website. No, I, I love the guys. Everybody's 1856 01:41:08,280 --> 01:41:12,420 looking for a quality website. They always do me a solid. But 1857 01:41:12,420 --> 01:41:15,000 there's a great company called mule town digital. Yeah, right, 1858 01:41:15,000 --> 01:41:17,700 south of us, tons and tons. Need to have those guys on my show. 1859 01:41:17,700 --> 01:41:21,140 It'll be great. Adam Silverman is a was the drummer with Lauren 1860 01:41:21,140 --> 01:41:24,320 Elena, and we toured together 1213, years ago, and that's when 1861 01:41:24,320 --> 01:41:27,020 I met him. And even at that time, he had this side hustle of 1862 01:41:27,020 --> 01:41:30,440 teaching himself web design, and now he's got a huge company with 1863 01:41:30,440 --> 01:41:32,480 tons of employees. Yeah, so it's amazing. He's 1864 01:41:32,480 --> 01:41:34,880 doing a website building business. Check those guys out. 1865 01:41:34,880 --> 01:41:38,000 Yeah, maybe they need to advertise mule town. Am I 1866 01:41:38,000 --> 01:41:41,440 talking like I'm from Wisconsin? Yeah. Advertised like from 1867 01:41:41,440 --> 01:41:44,380 Chicago, yeah. So yes, go to Rich redmond.com 1868 01:41:45,700 --> 01:41:48,220 and of course, if you want to be on the show, there's a 1869 01:41:48,220 --> 01:41:48,640 link@mmtbp.com 1870 01:41:51,160 --> 01:41:54,040 the mostly Middle Tennessee business podcast, that is a.com 1871 01:41:54,700 --> 01:41:57,700 address as well, but a lot more to type in. That's why I 1872 01:41:57,700 --> 01:42:03,780 truncated it down to mm tbp.com all. The things are there. If 1873 01:42:03,780 --> 01:42:07,260 you want to be on the show, let me know. And please be from this 1874 01:42:07,260 --> 01:42:09,720 area, or have some sort of influence in this area, that 1875 01:42:09,720 --> 01:42:13,260 would be great. And, yeah, all the things are there rich as 1876 01:42:13,260 --> 01:42:16,680 always. We do this every now and then. Great. We're still have 1877 01:42:16,680 --> 01:42:18,540 stuff to talk about, so I'm happy about that. 1878 01:42:18,540 --> 01:42:20,720 Fantastic. Well, I appreciate you having me. I was, 1879 01:42:22,100 --> 01:42:25,280 yeah, I was on the can this morning, and I got the text, do 1880 01:42:25,280 --> 01:42:28,340 you want to be a guest on my show today? And I was like, 1881 01:42:28,400 --> 01:42:31,640 Absolutely, okay, cool. Sometimes they work out that 1882 01:42:31,640 --> 01:42:33,980 way. It was great, buddy. Thank you so much. I don't think I 1883 01:42:33,980 --> 01:42:36,920 sent the text from the can, but maybe, maybe I did, I don't 1884 01:42:36,920 --> 01:42:39,560 know. Well, there you go. Check us out. Thanks again for being 1885 01:42:39,560 --> 01:42:41,900 on we're gonna wrap it up. Talk to you later. Thanks, pal. You.