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So you've made it through three hours of the regular show on terrestrial radio and you wanted a.

Little bit more.

So that's why you found the Gun Talk After Show podcast where we saved all the best things that we can't say on regular radio.

Now here's Tom, Michelle and Jim for the Gun Talk After Show.

All right, welcome to the after Show.

We have Jim Canci, Michelle Cleland.

Hello folks, heh Hello.

I hope you've shut off the phone so those pesky callers won't bother me.

Yeah, geez pete.

It's all they want to do is talk about guns.

Talk about guns again.

Tee means I'm again.

Geez see, I've got this twenty five even I want to do something with it.

Yeah, I can tell you what to do with it.

But we can't put that on.

The air, Okay, but we can on the podcast.

Oh there you go.

All right.

Oh, there was one story I forgot to mention.

I got to get this out there that you'll appreciate.

This one Federal Appeals Court in New Orleans ruled that illegal aliens do not have the right to keep it their arms under the Second Amendment.

Wow okay, Oh because they're not American citizens.

Is that common sense?

Well, but there has to be a ruling otherwise it didn't get discussed.

Follow the law.

This will irritate the Jesus out of some folks who they will appeal it to say we no, no, because you know now that we have invited them into our country, they are a guests and they should have all our rights.

Yeah, also all our money.

We'll put it up in high rights hotels.

How about that?

Yeah.

I can hear their slogan right now.

If Trump voters can have guns, so can our people.

He went way.

How about Venezuela and gangs taking over the park accomplished?

Sure?

Sure, hope did you.

See that video of that?

Yeah?

I hope they clean the pool.

Oh my gosh, what a mess.

You're like, Okay, you know, why would you need to need or one an a ar fifteen?

Yeah, because there are four to six people with guns outside your door.

Right okay, and they're just trying to make room for more of their members.

According to what I've read.

Uh, probably so time to clean them out.

Uh, with whatever that takes.

I'm sorry, just I'm just gonna get it out there.

Just just do it, dron them, drone them.

I thought you meant we were just supposed to drone on about that.

I think that's kind of given.

Oh yeah, that's right.

Well, yes, what else is do nothing?

Hey?

I got to mention smart carry.

We haven't talked about that in a while.

I loved mine.

I everyone used it in a couple of years, but I loved it.

What a great concept.

And then you know, thinking under a bib overall that would be.

Perfect, right, and where it's located, it's not going to get in the way of anything I'm going to be doing.

It just begs for all these responses that I cannot give.

Move on, Moving on.

On a more somber on a more somber topic.

I was in a really good mood until I heard Nikki's interview and then just kind of just locked the wind out of my sail.

That was a horrible story.

I mean, the stalker followed her, stalked her.

I mean when they arrested and they found you extra guns, rope, I mean, all the stuff you need for kidnapping, and everything else.

It's like, I'm just and this is a guy with some serious mental problems.

And when she asked the restaurant to have him remove from the restaurant, uh, he just killed her husband, shot him seven times for the forty five right there in the middle of the restaurant.

It's like, Okay, crazy shows up a lot of different places.

I remind myself of that when I think, well, I'm just going to run into our little town here, why would I need to carry my gun?

Think?

Yeah, because crazy is everywhere.

Well, and of course the worst thing is she was in a gun free zone, following the law as US gun people typically do, and got caught.

Up in that exact same thing that happened to Susannah Hup, I mean, went into Luby's cafeteria, left her gun out there because they had a no gun signs gun free zone, watched this guy drive into the place and kill her parents right in front of her.

I have pretty much adopted the attitude that.

And here's the thing.

In most states, if you and you need to know the law, But in most states, if you carry into a place that's posted that's not off limits by law, they just put up an open goost office or something.

Right, Yeah, post offices it's off limits by law.

But restaurants they put up signs that kind of a deal.

All they can do is ask you to leave, so you're okay.

Remember one, They're not going to find it unless I have to pull it out and use it.

Then I don't care.

And if they asked me to leave, I'll leave.

Now.

If you they ask you to leave, you don't leave.

That's trespassed.

I can call you on that.

But it's like I kind if I'm not paying a lot of attention to those signs anymore for the very I mean, Nikki is a prime example.

Right, Wait a minute, are you saying that murderers would be willing to break the law.

Unbelievable shocking, I know.

And if they're going to break the law, why should I make myself vulnerable to them by obeying the law?

That makes no sense.

What Tom's a really good guy to still be with us today, if you.

Yeah, it's a shame that he followed followed the law.

Actually, in this case, just followed the request of the equality owners.

The policy.

We have a policy about that.

Yeah, well you know what, I have my own policy how's that.

You know I'm going to take care of myself and my family.

Duh.

So Michelle, you like my idea of my new rifle.

I just got this.

Yeah, it gives you the best and least recoil.

Right without an yammel.

It's got no recoil.

That is just the quietest gun I've ever had.

It's being made, but no, I think it's great.

It gives you the option for bigger game and rider game.

Yeah, it's a it's a thumper.

What do you guess, thirty one thirty uh feet product?

Yeah, out of one hundred and sixty five gring bullet.

Yeah, but with a like a two hundred and ten grain to twenty five, you're down to twenty six to twenty seven real fast, unusable.

We'll just remind everybody that he did say it was an ultra light.

It is a six and a quarter pound rifle with you got you start crying as soon as you pull the sugar.

Oh what a dude.

I never saw a guy with three shoulder fats.

But yeah, okay, that's when they say they make your first shot count town.

Because I'll be just curled up in the feet of position after that.

I have a surgeon on calle.

Rolled down the mountain side.

I'm not sure what happened, but he shot around and.

He tied around and then he checked himself into the yar.

Okay, actually, it's not bad that the design on this gun has that straight stock where you almost can't get the bolt out when you're removing it.

So the comb is very high.

You get that straight recoil back.

It really doesn't kick much.

You know, this is the fourth one of these I've gotten on a tear of buying these.

See their allack?

Yeah, yeah, Jim and I.

Were talking about that phrase being on a tear and not a terror t e a r being on a tear.

Correct.

So I've been buying ultra light arms because you don't find the left handed it's very often, I mean you don't find ultra light arms for sale very often actually, but the left handed was even less.

So you drive with your right arm because you're gonna need it.

Have a sling.

But you know that textas into the whole idea when you have your arm and a sling, how do you have a holster inside of your sling?

Sling carry?

That's like that smart carry.

That smart scary aUI.

You have one of those in your med kit, sling.

Yeah, really exactly right.

It's like I'm going to take some ibuprofen now because I'm going to be shooting my gun later, and.

It's a prophylactic move.

Do they still make They used to make the shirts that had like the extra padding up around the shoulders and side.

Do they still sk Shooters used that?

But what I used is you know that past brand PSD.

I have like three of those and you just put it on over your shirt and those things work great.

Yep.

They had some specialized for women, did they Yes?

They did, because women are different well hooked onto the.

Trap.

Yeah, I'm hanging out of mind.

No way.

You couldn't get to me anyways.

Yeah, that's a story that would I don't know if I want you to tell that.

We won't share it.

Ah right, Okay, I just think a quick break.

We'll come back and wrap this thing up, because I know you guys actually have lives to get to, unlike.

Some of the I mean the barbecue grill out there, is that what you mean?

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Oh.

Okay, that's a nice re entry.

I like to like that.

That re entry you just made.

That.

We're just going to use that one.

By the way, just a big shout out to my wife for putting up with me for fifty one years as of today.

Wow, she is a strong woman.

She is that and then some or she's just forgotten who I am and it just works out.

Well.

So it's okay, Well you built the studio, so how much time do you spend up there versus.

I don't know.

She's changed the lot.

There you go, Well, want summer one to call her Sally for some reason, it's right, no fording address, So.

There you go.

Congratulations, Thank you.

Yeah, we've had a lot of adventures.

We've moved all of the country we've lived in, got a lot of states, all of the A states except for Arkansas, Alabama, Alaska, and Arizona.

And I kind of forgo the whole Arkansas thing, although Arkansas has got some beautiful parts of it really does.

So anyway, we did that, and actually, you know, my wife is an example of somebody who can shoot and has a gun, but that's just not her thing.

Every want to go out to the range and shoot.

She'll go out occasionally and shoot.

And when she does, she shoots very well.

And she's had some good instruction and.

She and he's helped her too.

Well, maybe that's right.

She had good instruction and I helped, and then the instruction helps to overcome.

My and she gets remedial.

I said, that's very nice.

Now try it this way.

It's working well for you.

I see you're hitting all exes.

But what about this.

Exactly?

Hey, if you notice that there are just like new guns coming out like crazy, are there?

I hadn't noticed.

You hadn't noticed, right, Yeah?

And I know gun sales are down generally, and course, I mean the gun company is trying to pump that up with some new models.

Which makes sense.

That's twofold, though, isn't it.

It's kind of twofold because the gun rush are twenty and twenty one, and then now the economy in the tank.

Well, yeah, exactly, it's combined so much so that I mean a lot of gun stores are reporting people are coming back in and selling guns just because it's just hard to make a living and pay for groceries and everything else, and they've got you know, there's money and guns and you can always sell them.

So people are selling guns at the same time that a lot of other people are buying guns.

It's just it's a weird situation we're.

In right now, right and politically, with the with the political year, with the election year being this year, it wouldn't typically.

Be that way.

Good point, Yeah, a good point.

People would normally be purchasing and holding on to them in fear of that.

Dot because normally, traditionally they've had the money.

This economy is really in the d I mean, look at grocery prices and stuff.

Before you even look at stuff like ammal.

Oh yeah, I can afford AMMO.

You know, with the right ammal, you can afford you can get the food.

You can go out back and get the food.

Well, yeah, she can afford AMML because she goes and takes it from her husband.

I remember Rob Latham said he went on like one of his three four week trips.

He goes on doing competition.

All he gets back, he says, where'd all my Ammo go?

And his wife Kip?

He said, Rob, I was practicing.

She shot up like twelve thousand rounds of nine.

She must have she must have had all of her gales over.

That's a good afternoon, man, some serious shooting going on there.

I miss those days of all the miscellaneous twenty two's that would just go on the coffee.

Can you know, Oh gosh, what you wouldn't do to have it.

But at the same time, I wouldn't want those days back because that was precious time that my children got to enjoy.

But you know.

You never thought about the analytics under your seat, Tom, I've got some of the coffee, coffee holder.

You know you don't, Jim, I cleaned out your car.

I know that I could never drive into Mexico with my car.

Yeah, I would have to buy a brand new car or rent something.

To go down.

Don't go north either.

Well, yeah, you know you're right.

I'm just hearing from some folks who are running into issues with their guns going into Canada.

Yeah, yep, absolutely, so it's a real problem.

So it's like okay, and people need to understand if they don't cross the border very often, customs, both US and Canada.

Uh, customs have almost unlimited ability to search and do whatever.

They want to do, anything they want to do.

So keep your mouth shut, be polite, and just suck it up and put up with it because smart enough just means they're going to tear your car apart.

And they don't have to put it back together.

No, no, I just I just sweat a lot in twitch.

It seems to work real well, that's just normal for you.

You don't even look at them like nont whatsoever.

Just Canada.

For actually most countries, there's no problem leaving the country you're in.

They don't care what you have.

It's you're over there.

Coming back to the US could be a real issue too.

Absolutely, So it's just like, yes, put up with it here it is.

Or if you want to go to Alaska, just fly all the way there and don't.

Go through Canada, right, you get there faster too.

Oh oh, we're talking about holsters for a second time, because during the break we were talking about this.

Oh yeah, yeah, you mentioned you've got all these holsters now and you don't know what gun they're for.

The manufacturers don't put anything on the holster to market for what gun is for.

So do you do the like the sharpie on your holsters?

Let's go with yes, Tom, you know maybe if you well, I'm gonna you.

Have for the same firearm.

Yeah, that too, I got a couple.

And then the other thing is it's it's well, I'm not going to forget I just got this one, right, So I waited six months to get a holster and I never even tried it out yet.

Soon still sitting there, let me ask the question, do you buy like, once you find a style or manufacturer that you like, did you buy that for all the guns going back?

No?

Are going forward?

That would make way too much.

No, I'll live with the past and then that anything going forward.

If I really like somebody else.

Yeah did in the past, Yes he did.

He lives in the.

Just just making sure here.

Oh yeah, so but no, really, you end up with all these holsters for all these guns, and you're going I mean I have actually picked up a box of holsters with a gun and I'm going to find one if this thing fits, and so after a while, just like you're doing, Jim, it's a sharpie, I'm going to write on the holster what gun it's for and hope that you know the sharpie didn't.

Wear off, right.

I use a black sharpie and a black holster in the Buckeyeah.

No, I have several silver gray sharpies.

I'll tell you, just for black kaiaks.

Yes, it works really well.

Actually yeah, no, it's and people are thinking, oh, why would you ever do that.

By the time you get past about twelve holsters, you have no idea exactly, You just have no I mean I just bought two holsters for the new sig P three three sixty five fuse because nobody had those when it first came out.

So now I have two of them.

You know what they look like every other holster I own.

It.

Oh good, it's a black KAIDEKX holster.

Yeah.

That narrows it down.

You know, if you start doing like cheetah print.

Alligator skin, oh, you know, you just start mixing them all up.

I mean, okay, fashion holsters.

Yeah, color coding DAZZLESO.

He's a blue electrical tape on the holster, blue electrical tape on the grip.

Mm hmmm.

And you know what you do, go together.

Mix and match.

Tom, you just need to have a craft night in your studio.

Clearly now, what I need is to put in a Sarah cot station.

Oh so I have the same Sarah Cote on the gun and the hole.

Yes, there you are each.

One that way.

When the gun goes in.

The holsters, you wouldn't even know it's chameleoned except he does them.

All this army green or whatever it's called.

That's right, just what you need.

How many do you have, Tom, hundred?

What holsters?

Yeah?

Oh?

Probably, yeah, yeah, probably remember we got some from literally fifty years ago.

I'm picturing a walk in closet with all those holsters hanging on hangers.

I am the Emelda Marcos of holsters.

Wow, I haven't heard it for her in a while.

I have just a tote the bin of them.

Actually my guns when I put them in the safe, lots of times depending on the type.

Obviously not leather ones.

But I will keep some of them in the holster.

Oh yeah, there no reason not to.

On yeah, good point.

Oh, I eliminate some of that issue and.

I've got like leather shoulder holsters for a forty four magnum with a six inch barrel breakaway.

Uh yeah, actually, oh.

My gosh, yes, yes.

Yeah, you gonna do the whole Miami vice.

I was just gonna shout out to Don Johnson days.

Yeah, there you go.

They were cool, there were and I wore that when I was fishing in Alaska.

I was knocking around Alaska, and you do the forty four mag under the shoulder, you know, show a holster deal with the barrel pointed down and that way you could wear it on the outside of your clothing.

Well, that just makes sense for Alaska.

Yeah, just had a that I think we mentioned it last week, the young guy who got jumped by a bear and shot it with his ten mometer but also put off bullet himself doing that.

Yeah, so you go, okay.

And yeah, yeah, that's something you can you can prepare for, but you really can't train for a bear attack.

That would be that would be an interesting range ready course.

Actually you can.

Yeah, oh yeah, there's a gun site has done handgun classes for bear protection and FTW Ranch does the charging uh K buffalo targets that you.

Put on a kevlar bearsuit or something.

No, we've done charging bear targets rely on a remote control robot that's really fast.

Wow, and it.

Comes charging at you and you learn to not only shoot, but to move and jump out of the way.

Is this thing's coming at you?

And it will ramp up your adrenaline like instantly?

Does that have sound effects too?

That you said the instructle behind you going.

And it's the drool that really sets it up.

I already have this figured out because I'm just gonna put marshmallow fluff on Jim because I can outrun Jim.

You don't have to run the bear, just out run Jim.

Just get a can of cheese, whist spray or something, you know.

Amongst my own.

I still like the idea just take the twenty two into bear country.

Just kneecap your buddy.

Yep, yep, there you go.

Old joke.

Good it is.

It's one of the better ones, you know, it is?

All right?

Well, look I've got to I got some loading to do.

I love the whole process of working up loads for a new gun.

That is so much fun.

And and oh quick update for people who would need to go out in side in your rifle.

You please use the solid rest.

I'm not crazy about let sledgs, you know how I am, but I like sandbags there and just take your time if it.

Honestly, if it takes you more than about six shots to sit in your rifle, you're doing it wrong.

You need some help and making sure the forearm is on your shooting bag.

Is all the shooting bag, not the barrel things.

Yes, yes, there actually.

Are some good videos on YouTube where of course, now you can learn how to do anything, and it'd be worthwhile to do a really good refresher on that of Okay, because I mean I'm serious, people say, well, you know it takes me two or three boxes of AMMO to get set in and go okay, Well stop, we should literally should be able to do that in about six.

Shots or two to do it your method, you can do it.

With two at least.

Get if you're on target to say it one hundred yards, line up on the bull's eye, nice good press on the trigger wherever the bullet goes.

Then put the rifle back on the sand bags, and without disturbing the sand bags, adjust the sights so they're pointing at the bullet hole.

Guess what you're sighted in yep, because now the bullet and the sights are looking at the same place.

Taught everybody.

I've taught that to head and Todd moment.

I never thought it has either to Tom.

Told me, it's like you're going okay.

The whole idea is to get the rifle to shoot where the crosshairs are.

Right.

How about if we just moved the crosshairs to where the bullet hole is.

Everybody goes, oh huh, that would work, wouldn't it?

And it do it?

Do it's right and going ahead, And I have been doing this wrong for all my life.

Well, the ammo manufacturers won't tell you to do it that way now by six boxes of this three thirty eight or six.

And well, but I will tell you there is something to buying the different grains or different manufacturers of ammunition.

And now this process starts all over again.

Or oh yeah, change anything, change brand of ammo, bullet weight, anything.

You got to go back and do it again because it's unlike the l shoot to the same place.

So I've been doing that wrong.

I have two different kinds of amoas shoot.

I have two scopes mounted to the rifle I just looked at the other scope, got.

That one dialed in for this brand, this one.

Dial you know, they make binoculars.

That's what I have mounted to the top of my rifle.

Or you could just develop your two different types of flinch.

That's what Town's going to do with this three.

That's right.

Maybe I've been practicing my flinch already.

I'm getting ready for it.

Company.

You know, some people are very good shooting with the flinch, with the with the right movement.

They've got themselves trained up for that.

They really have.

You know the funny Jerry mitchellerk line about you know, I said, you know, how did you get to shoot so fast?

He said, well, I had a bad flinch, but I figured if I could shoot before I flinched, I could maybe master them.

It.

Okay, that's the funny line.

Whatever, we're repeating that one.

That's right, you know, don't don't mind me.

I just steal everybody else's lying.

So I hope your labor Day rocks.

Thank you, and goy lsu playing tonight playing USC out in Las Vegas or Oh Tigers is a good one.

Yeah.

Oh, so that's what you and Pat have in mind for the evening day.

Pat, Hey, it's fifty one years we watched TV and.

Never tonight they're celebrating watching it together.

Oh very good.

Well, of course I say that I haven't been over there.

She may not be home, she may have gotten a better offer.

Do you watch from your studio with your binoculars?

Her TV?

How's it going over there?

Honey, honey, watch your luggage back?

Why is my luggage back?

I haven't even been in the house.

Oh oh boy, he goes, all right, take care, guys, see you bye.

We'll catch you next time for the gun talk after show.