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Thank you so much.

What I'm good.

I'm good.

It isn't honored to be interviewed by the media.

Queen sweet, you have an interesting life, man, and we've had interviews over the years.

But I feel like it was album mold.

It was always promo driven.

Yeah, I don't feel like we have ever had a moment, so like, I don't know, to dig a little bit.

Let's do what we got today.

Today, we should dig because your life is man, the chapters of your life are so interesting.

You seem to be thriving and well, like, are you happy?

And I'm very happy you are?

I am because a lot of what I had to do in the past was out of necessity.

This is the part of my life where I actually get to plan things out, you know what I'm saying, and live a life by design.

I was just kind of going with the flow for many years, and we would have to move a certain way just to survive certain situations.

And now it's like I get the house with the picket fence, I got the wife, the kids, I got the grandkids, and I got six grandkids.

Now let's take them.

Let's go back a little bit too.

Let's do it early early inception of just the moment when you thought, okay, I might this might take me somewhere.

Yeah.

I remember when we when we had released our first single.

We were part of a radio contest in Houston that they had for independent artists.

What were you at this time?

I'm fresh out of high school, working in the store in the Fleet market, the record store in the Fleet Market, that the guy who has signed us.

Oh, they're very broke and just trying to make it happen.

But I'll be honest, Angie, I didn't feel like a rapper until we got that call from the label to come to New York and signed a deal.

But even when that happened, my relief turned into despair within like five minutes to side in my deal.

Like, we go up to Jive Records, we sit down, they pull out the seventy page contract.

They show you seven yellow tabs you signed on that.

You don't know what the other sixty plus page.

I got crazy, and but we're thinking we made it because here's the thing, right, The way they entice you was that they put the check on the table so you're looking at the checking the envelope the whole time.

So you're like, yeah, I just want to get that.

Let me hurry up and signing and get that work.

And then we come out to celebrate.

We see Keris One walking down the hallway in the record company.

We're like, yo, what's up.

Cares He's like, what's good?

What do you like?

We're on the ground Kings.

We're from Houston.

We came up here to sign with job.

He was like, did you sign yet?

And I was like yeah.

He was like, damn, well, good luck.

And in that moment we realized we went from thinking we had reached the Highland yeah, and realized like we might have done the worst thing we'd ever done.

And part of that was true.

We had to fight that contract we signed in nineteen ninety two.

All the way up until two thousand and six, we were doing revisions, amendments and all of that.

It's crazy to people, probably now, especially young people in the business.

They old people like you so much because all the mistakes everybody made, even about business when we were young coming up, people didn't even we didn't.

This was a new business.

We even knew how to navigate the work.

I wanted to even know what my publishing was like realistically until about maybe signing in ninety two, probably finding out in like maybe early two thousand and two.

So a lot of my career was not really about any financial success because we never got to check from that record company, know never about financial stuff.

It was about surviving everything that they put in front of us and hoping that eventually, once we got past all of that bullshit, we would be a profitable group.

You know.

The people took care of us for many years.

We would tour a lot.

We would tour a lot because that's where pretty much our revenue was coming from.

If it wasn't coming from that, we'd have to do other side things to bring money in, and we were trying to get away from as much of that as possible.

Wow.

You know.

So we eventually got to where we wanted to, but Pimp passed shortly after.

So I felt like he achieved everything he wanted to achieve, but he never got to really enjoy.

But take keep in mind, I don't know many people that lived like he lived like Pim died respected respectfully at a young age for a human being.

He wasn't very old.

But I would argue that the life Pims lived in that short time, I could live twice as long as that.

And probably yeah, no, not at all.

The audacity that that man had for everything.

And I say audacity in a great way because there were a lot of things that we achieved only because we didn't believe that what people told us about not being able to achieve, because we were from a very small town.

So to believe that he could come out of that kind of environment and actually become impactful and successful in the music industry at that time was really unheard of.

But I didn't think we could do it, but I believe he could do it, so I put my belief in him.

He believed that I could be impactful in helping him get from A to B.

And there was a lot of us around at the time, but at the end of the day, it ended up being just me and him, and it took a while and we went through a lot of shit to get there, but we eventually got where we wanted to go.

I know that you credit to Pimp for like letting you see that your wife was the person for you.

Absolutely he was.

I didn't.

I didn't pimping out with different people.

We live different lives.

Pimp loved the attention of women.

I'm not saying I didn't, but I really wanted to be who I needed to be for her, and Pimp always loved that I put my wife first.

You know what I'm saying.

I would always everywhere we go to this day, typically where I performed, my wife's there.

You know what I'm saying we've been doing that basically since we've been together, before we got married, because I don't I don't like being away from her, Like right now, my wife is looking for things and I'm not home the keys.

Yeah, yeah, you know, yeah, we.

Talked about that moment A big pimp and at uh you know you from that lifestyle.

I just wonder what that pivot is like.

Was it her who made that pivot in you?

Or would you as a man, making that pivot of like wanting something else in your life?

No, No, all these things come from my wife.

I'm very like focused.

I have tunnel vision, so I really only see what's directly in front of me, my wife.

That's why I bring my wife everywhere, because my wife understands nuance.

My wife understands how to read a room.

So I may go in a meeting to meet with two people, but there's six people in the room.

So while I'm talking to the two I came to engage with, my wife is watching the body language of other people in the room.

My wife recommends artists to collaborate with artists to perform with all of these type of things, and I give her.

I give her that space to do that because I'm very logic minded, like two plus two has to equal four.

Right.

She's common sense kind of a thing.

She's like, you know, you can't do that because that's just you can't do that, like that type of right.

And so you guys are like an old school couple, old school.

And it works like it works.

I have to a lot.

There's a lot of times where I have to sit back, be quiet, take her advice because in certain situations, she's more informed than I am, you know what I'm saying.

But that doesn't make me any less than the man in the house.

I'm still allowed to be the man.

But every now and then my wife will encourage me.

My wife will give me advice, or my wife will see a situation clearer than I can, you know what I'm saying.

And it took me a while as a self made man to allow other people to have a say in what I do.

Right, And I was like, okay, well, let's try your way.

I remember the first time, let's try your way.

Are dating at the time, was she away?

She was a wife, she's already your wife and you're still testing her.

Yes, yeah, yeah.

I was just like, I just don't I didn't understand what her perspective came from.

And she was like, I'm a consumer, I'm a woman.

We're the ones that buy all the music.

We're the ones that decide what's a hit record.

You haven't done a song about this, you haven't worked with this person.

It's not going to be what people expect from you.

I have to be because I always want to push the ledge right.

I want to try something different to go first.

She's like, no, you stay right here where you are.

Ye, be comfortable right here and give these people what you've always given them.

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That takes time, that takes trust.

But that's what I love about it is the fact that if she thinks it's right and I'm wrong, She's not gonna stop.

She's going to keep being like I don't know, I really think to the point where you need to do this.

I mean, it's been amazing, you know, to have a partner.

What is the key to that?

Because a big key of this podcast I try to like we talk to people about their lives and like and I try to give people lessons that they could use in their own lives.

So when hearing you and hearing the way that you found the partner, created a life with her, trust her too with to make decisions in your career, what do you think it was about either your decision making or her decision making that allowed you to kind of form this type of partnership.

You know how they talk about girls mature bassetting boys, Yeah, that definitely exists in my relationship.

I was still very young minded and a lot of things, and my approach was my way or no way for a while, and they.

Won't let you get away with that, and she.

Would make it known that she didn't agree with certain things.

But if that's how I felt, I had to deal with it.

She let me do that.

But after a while it was just like, look, I don't think you need to do this this way.

I really think you should do it.

Try something a little different.

It's not going to hurt you.

And I was like, all right, I'll give it a shot.

And it worked.

Then I was like, okay, what else do you think you know?

She would give me advice and for me about certain things as I progressed, and everything led itself to better in our situation because there were things that she was taking into consideration in certain times that I really didn't think it through in that way.

In business and work, Yeah, absolutely.

And she was right.

She was right from I always said that if I'm wrong and she's right, it works a lot easier in my house than if she's wrong and I'm right.

You know what I'm saying, It's a.

Lot easier for me to just try it her way and if not, we can go back to my way.

But eight times out of ten, her way is actually going to work.

So I just stopped fighting against it, and I was like what you think, what do you think, how do you think we should do it?

And she'd give us some thoughts, she'd give her input and we give it a shot, and it would work.

It would really work.

My wife's been this is.

Great advice for men to take.

Just do what your wife wants to do.

At the end of it, it's a lot easier.

It's a lot easier to maintain that stuff.

So I've I've been really blessed with a great partner to go through life with.

I couldn't imagine going through this life that I've lived without her, and I hope I never have to.

Yeah, what if you had to change about yourself to be that type of hunt quiet?

I had to be quiet.

I had to literally just shut up, let the woman say what she said, get her full thought out, and at least take it into consideration, because in the middle of her telling me what she would think I should do, I would start arguing just on general principle because for many years I felt like, you're not a rapper, you don't do these things, you don't understand this.

And then she would be like, yeah, but you know, when we went to this meeting and you was talking to this dude, every time you said something, this guy would tap that guy and write something down.

And you're not seeing none of that because your tunnel vision.

You're looking only at the people you need to look at.

I'm looking at everybody else's body.

Lange.

Wow, and that was something you're like, I love her.

I didn't know that was something you could do.

I thought your attention should be focused on who you're talking to and all of that.

But it's been surprising the kind of things that she's been able to pick up in these rooms and we've been able to utilize in these negotiations to further where we're trying to go.

She's been a she's been a god sending to me.

My wife has really been a godsend to me.

You know what I'm saying.

I try to make sure that I'm living up to my part of the deal because she's locked in, She's where she needs to be.

Anytime I need her input on anything, She's exactly where she needs to be for that.

So I'm trying to make sure that I'm where I need to be for her as much as possible.

And you said that the key to that is mostly shutting up.

Just shutting up.

And listening and quite frankly, doing most of what she tells me to do and and it typically works out.

Is this advice you'd give like young men.

Young married men, Yes, I would, but it depends on what they're marrying for, because people nowadays married for different things.

Okay, you tell me about that.

Well, I mean, most most people are looking for women that everyone wants.

They're on social media that looking at how many follows, likes and all of that, and they want to be with a woman that everybody wants.

But what is that about?

I think I think that I think it works both ways.

I think men women want to be with a man that women want because he's a private provider, he's a good looker, he's got all these things.

Same thing with men.

Men want a woman that everybody wants to be with.

But the reality about those things is that everyone has a ceiling and if they're looking for a certain thing from someone, once you hit your ceiling and you're not what they want, they're going to continue to move on.

And we have a lot of I will say this, I will say this in the entertainment culture, we have a lot of people that want what they believe other people have, So you'll have a dude that's looking at this girl that gets flown everywhere and she gets purses and she gets dressed and all this type of stuff and all these things, and you're like, I want a woman like that.

I want a woman.

But you got to be able to afford a woman like that.

You got to be able to pay for those things like that.

And you don't know if that's what she wants.

She may want more than that.

Most women want to be provided for, but they also want to be provided for by a man that they want to be with.

Right, some people don't need that necessarity.

I just need what they can afford to give me.

That's men and women.

I'm not picking yourself, you know what I'm saying.

So you got to be very clear about what the fuck you want before you get out here.

Choose the motherfucker that becomes a problem, because then you'll just be like, well, I want to be at the same level of fame that this guy has.

He's fucking her, I should be at least fucking her somebody close to her.

And the same thing for women, women like I want a certain quality of life.

This dude looks like he tricks off and buys all these persons and takes women everywhere.

I want that life too, you know what I'm saying, But there are things that come with that.

You know what I'm saying.

I was very lucky that I found somebody that wanted what I wanted without compromising each other.

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Right, like, we're in this together.

I'm not gonna make any moves that belittle you just to get us further, or vice versa.

Like if we're not enough to get where we're trying to go, then we're gonna have to wait.

We're gonna have to wait, figure it out and try another bath.

What was the thing you wanted?

I wanted the white house with the pick of fence outside.

You know what I'm saying.

I want a security Like all my money.

I didn't make any money for the record company.

Drive Record still to this day has never paid us more than in advance for the next project.

Right, But it was about making sure that my family could consistently have what they needed.

I would try different things, some work, some didn't.

Then my wife would offer some advice, like maybe we should instead of focusing on it.

I know you think that's probably what's gonna cash out, but I don't.

I think you should try this.

It will take a little longer, but it's this little money is guaranteed, and we can work with it and build it up to something else.

You got to be open to that, like the wife has to be open to her husband's dreams and the husband has to be open to his wife dreams or else you're going to have a problem in the house.

Yeah, and then how can you have a future if you're you're gonna be stuck in that moment, chasing whatever the shots are.

Now, my thing is, if I don't think it's for you, I can voice that, right, I can express that.

If it's something that you still think you want to do, Yeah, then I have to look at how could this potentially compromise the family?

Right?

This is how my wife will look at what I want to do, and vice versa.

And really, like a partnership, really it really.

Is marriages and partnerships.

Like there's no a successful marriage doesn't run one way, doesn't It has to go two ways?

You know what I'm saying.

You have to be there for them, they have to be there for you.

You have to be willing to hear them tell you you're wrong, and vice versa.

And then not go want to sleep on the sofa or anything like that, Like we don't do that, Like we don't go to No, No, we don't do that.

We got to talk this shit out, and sometimes we're up very late talking this.

So that's a rule you have.

Yeah, because if you go to sleep with it, you wake up with it.

Are you automatically on the wrong side of the bed, You're not open to things the next day.

In my opinion, at least go to bed a green to disagree, not try not to be mad and be like, well, I just can't see it today.

Let's let's try another day.

I've heard that rule.

I don't know anybody that actually has all the time.

Well again, all the time.

It don't work because we're human beings, right, And sometimes somebody's like, no, it's got to be like this, And sometimes you just gotta let that sit.

Like if you're arguing back that on a Monday, we'll come back to it on Thursday.

You know what I'm saying, Like, we don't need to wake up focus concentrating on that unless it's something super pertinent.

Let's let that shit breathe, Let that bitch breathe for a little while.

You calm down, I calm down.

You might come to some realization or I may come to some realization, but typically, no, we need to address this shit now.

We need to talk about my wife.

Well, my wife has an issue with me.

My wife doesn't talk to me about it until it's bedtime, like as soon as I get in bed and get comfortable or whatever.

That's what she likes.

So about today and then, and that's where we are, you know what I'm saying, Because it's something that she doesn't want to go to bed thinking about or worrying over.

She wants to put it to bed literally literally literally put it to bed.

I love that, And that wasn't my idea.

That wasn't my idea.

That was her idea.

But I'm glad that that it's been instituted in our marriage.

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Give it a quick hearing this story now and then you know, as I remember hearing the story about you guys having that incident at the house and you having to protect her.

And there's been some updates recently.

Right the personally it was the trial was pushed back for several years and then finally came up and he was sentenced and sent to prison for what he did.

I remember hearing about home invasion and that you had to do what you had to do and hearing that story.

But now just understanding what your relationship deeper.

It is deeper because when this happened, like my wife, I would never let my wife answer the door I would always answer the door, and where we lived at that time, because the front door was kind of open to the public, so I was like every time the front door would go, I would answer the door.

This particular day, I was about to leave to go to the grocery doore.

I said, no, hold up, let me go use the bathroom right quick.

And while I was in the bathroom, it happened.

And I can hear the tone of my wife's voice, and I'm realizing something is very wrong because my wife is scared, and my wife does not live a life of fear.

I protect my wife know she's going to be protected, so she doesn't walk around with that.

She doesn't use that tone in her voice.

So I could he hear her saying, just take the car, just take the car.

And I'm like, my car's paid for at the end of somebody in my house now.

For years, for years I had been waiting for someone.

I knew it was because of my life, where the way I move and you know, where I am at in the community.

I felt like somebody at some point might try it.

And it wasn't until that day where it actually happened, and so I ran out the bathroom I went got my gun.

But what I didn't know during that moment that whole time was my wife was trying to stall him out so I could get to the gun to come down and protect her.

And the gun was the gun was literally on her forehead, like the muzzle was on her forehead that whole time.

And her rationale in that moment was if I die, I know, one you're going to kill him, and then two, you're going to make sure this family is okay.

And so she had to come to terms with dying in that moment and what this family would be after that.

But she was secured for her telling me she was secured and knowing that one I was definitely going to come down and do something in that moment.

She knows that's going to happen regardless.

But should something happened to her before I can get there to save her, at least she knows her husband will take care of this family.

How does she know that?

Like?

What is is?

I mean, I guess just the history that you guys have.

Yeah, No, we like you being a protector.

Yes, imagine we've had that before, you know, not not at the home, but we've had incidents before where I've had to stand in and be like, you know, what does.

That mean to you as a man, Because it's.

Top, it's top.

Provision is number one for sure, like providing for your family is number one.

Now, everybody's not going to provide the same way.

Right.

Some people are working class, some people have other unemployment that all befores them more money.

But at the very least they should have a roof over their head, and the bills, the delights, the water, and all that shit should be taken care of.

That's provision protection.

There is no It's one hundred percent, all day, every day, at your worst, whatever it is, it's one hundred percent.

I'm the one that's supposed to stand in front of the gun, right.

That's the job I took, is to stand any threat to my family.

I have to see it and meet it first.

That's the way I've tried to live this life.

And the fact that she had to meet that threat first, but had already come to terms with the worst case scenario of that situation and found strength in the idea that her husband would do what a husband should do in that moment.

But she also said that she felt like a glow around her in that moment to where like this is going to be okay one way or another.

Wow, you know that she's protected.

Yes, Wow, I can't imagine that moment for you, that that fear because it's just fear of what's happening.

But then it's also, I don't want to say burden the responsibility I was.

I was prepared and the protector.

I was prepared for all of that.

None of that was a problem.

My only issue was can I get to her before something happened to her?

That's all I cared about.

Can I get to her in time because I'm coming.

Because the guy was like, who's at upstairs, She's like, that's my husband.

She was like, you better tell him.

If he come down here, I'm gonna kill you.

You know what I'm saying.

And she was like, Bun, don't come downstairs.

I'm coming.

Her fear was that we get into a shootout where she's in the middle.

I'm upstairs, he's downstairs, and she gets hit.

In the situation when she started telling him don't come downstairs, she said she said, Bun, don't come.

He told her telling him don't come, she said, Bun, don't come downstairs.

When she called when she said bun because he had a mask on the whole time.

She said, his eyes got big because there's only one Bun, right.

So he realized where he was that in that moment, and so he started asking for the keys to the car.

Give me the keys to the car.

So he would he went out, she'd let the door up, and then she would put it back down, right, And she did that twice, and he said, put that mother.

He pointed the gun at her again, like, put that motherfucker up and leave.

And so by this time, why was she doing that to try to stall him out so I could get to him.

The whole time she's like, this motherfucker came in our house.

I know what he's going to get.

I want him to get to this man.

So by that time she was coming back in the house.

I was coming down the stairs and she's like, don't go outside.

He's got a gun.

Don't go outside.

I'm like, I'm finna go outside.

I'm going to meet this guy where he is.

And the confrontation happened in the garage.

Shot him in the well.

I shot into the car because he was in the car, but he couldn't figure out how to start it.

Because I just bought her like a new Audi, and the newer audis the ignition is, the gearshift is here, and the ignition is to the right.

So he's all up here looking how to start.

He's so he never got the car started.

So when I got in the garage, he was still in the car.

So I put five shots in the car.

I started walking to it to see if I hit him.

I heard a pop.

I realized that's him shooting back at me.

I put five more in the car.

I put four more shots in the car.

He jumped out of the car and please don't kill me now.

On my way down the stairs, I cocked the gun to make sure it was loaded.

That took one shell out.

So the eleven shots that I put in the car, the twelfth bullet was the one that I cocked out.

So when I put the gun in his head, it didn't go out.

There was no bullets left.

You were prepared to do that.

No, I was.

I have to say, yeah, I don't.

I didn't want to have to kill anybody.

But nobody's going to kill us, you know what I'm saying.

And you had already done far worse than anything anyone had ever done to my wife at that point.

So I really wanted to do something to that man, but I couldn't.

I couldn't kill him.

So I hit him a couple of times with the pistol.

I believe his nose broke.

And then my wife because she heard the gunshots.

And my wife came in screaming, and I looked back at her, and he burnt.

He jumped out and jumped up and ran out.

Now I'm half naked because I was in the bathroom, so I'm winny to pool.

I'm like top on, I'm bottomless at this point, So I ran back in the house.

My gun was empty, I got her gun, put on some pants, got in the car.

Where I live, there's only one way to go when you leave.

You can either go out this way, turn right, or turn left.

He's on foot, so I go.

I turned right, he's not there.

I turn left.

I coun see him running down the street, so I go down there, and my first mind is to run him over, like just kill him right there.

When you tell that story, does it take you does it take you right back there?

Is it like hard to talk about?

Not at all?

Really, not at all?

Wow?

For me, for my wife, is excruciating for her to talk about it and deal with it, because quite frankly, she dealt with the majority of the threat.

And my wife had been dealing with a level of anxiety for a while and we had just gotten rid of it, like no medication everything.

She had just gotten back where she needed to be, I should say.

And this not only knocked her back and knocked her back further.

So we were literally.

She was dealing with some anxiety before the inside, yes.

Got so not only did we go back to where we had to start with her initial anxiety, now there's this on top of it.

So it pushed her back further than she had ever been.

How could it not for that that type of thing.

So, you know, it took a while for her to work herself through that and get out of it in the right way, you know, because we tend to just go to church and you know, and smoke a cigarette and we'll be fine, type of thing.

But this took a little bit more hard work for her, and I'm glad she did the work.

I supported her through it, and we're just starting to get to a place where the anxiety isn't as big of a situation as it was before, and she, for all intents and purposes, she's the wife I've always known.

Now she wasn't for a while, and that took some time for us to deal with it.

But we had to give her a grace to work through.

That was that fear.

She was sitting in fear or it was.

Very hard for her.

I'll tell you this.

When it happened at nighttime, well let's say it happened in like the late afternoon.

It went into nighttime, and we slept in that house that night.

But she was still obviously in the state of shock from the whole thing.

Because the next morning when she woke up, and because we lived in the three story townhouse at that time, we slept on the third floor, and so she went to the kitchen, which is on the second floor, to get something, and then she realized she needed something from the first floor.

And once she went and looked at that stairway and saw the bottom of those stairs, it was an immediate trigger.

It was a trigger, and literally she came back upstairs.

She was very, very upset about it, and I realized in that moment we got to move.

Now we had our townhouse which was for our home, and we had another apartment like closer in the city, so we just moved into that apartment.

We had to literally walk her out with her eyes covered because she couldn't look at that stairwell anymore, and her mom and I did most of the packing and everything for her.

Again, we moved into new space.

We had to find a completing new home after that, and it just took her a while to get out of it, you know.

So we found a house with a nice big park across the street so we could go out, take walks and just enjoy.

Well, what about you as a husband, Like, so, you're you're the protector in that moment, but then it doesn't It isn't just that moment.

It's like you have to also protect her through the trauma that came after.

And so how do you do that?

How do you support your wife or your partner in the time of what she's dealing with.

You don't even less you have to, because you can't get it.

There's no gun, no gun, there's no level.

Of anything that can take her out of that initial moment, right, and the things that someone that goes through your mind when you think you're about to die of a violent death, There's a lot of things that she had to work her way through, and so I just wanted to give her her space.

That was the main thing, because there are going to be certain moments that I couldn't console her through these things.

All I could do is maybe hold her hand or something.

But we had a back porch with a big backyard, so she spent a lot of time out there, just you know, trying to process this type of stuff.

But we got her the help that she needed to kind of get through it.

And then as soon as we get through it and get in the house, COVID comes and now we're stuck inside.

But my wife and I have such a great relationship that we didn't really care about being around anybody else.

We didn't like the fact that our family couldn't come and see us, right because my son and his wife had a baby during COVID and they both caught COVID in the hospital, so we had to go and get the baby from a newborn for like the first two weeks.

Wow.

And I think that moment really reprioritized everything in the way that you don't you don't continue to think about yourself, you think about the children.

You know what for us, it was about making sure that doesn't have it again, making sure we're protected, getting her gun lessons and different things like that, right and so, but when the baby came, we realized that it's not about us right now, We've got to protect this baby because we had been so concerned about protecting ourselves and now we have to protect this baby from an invisible threat, catching COVID.

Right and so it took two weeks for the parents to get clean and clear and we could bring the baby back.

But it also reminded us of you know, having this little baby, you know that we're responsible for and we're completely Is it a.

Crazy how God gives you what you need even if it just seems weird and left?

That baby changed everything.

I will say that baby, she's my youngest grandchild, Zoe, and she changed everything.

That's amazing.

I wonder, I don't know how to frame this question.

It was like, I find that men in relationships sometimes the provider the protector is the easier thing for men to easier to like, Okay, this is what I do.

I gotta make the money, I gotta do this, I gotta uh.

The emotional part of the support, I think is challenging for someone.

I don't think enough men talk about the pressure they find themselves under once they take on a family.

The idea of providing the essentials is one thing, but then kids get sick, cars get in recks, right.

Parents, you know, all.

These other life gets in the way, is what I like to say.

Life will eventually get in the way.

Even if you have the majority of this thing kind of figured out, life will still get in the way.

And it's the it's these other factors that come into play that really define how your households together.

Because I can go out and try to find a job that will pay all of the bills, take care of the car if she wants something, if we need to go somewhere, do that.

But there's things that money doesn't really give you an out for, you know what I'm saying, And then we just have to kind of band together as a unit to get through it.

Because if you're a billionaire and you're on the highway and you have a flat tire, if if you're not, if you're like, I'll tell you a story.

I do this thing called gumball three thousand every year, and.

Oh you do gumball.

That's the car thieves.

I did.

I married them.

You married them?

I had her on the pod.

She's so happy.

She they fell in love.

We got to get back to the Gunboll story.

But tell me that, well, the gunball repences.

We were we were driving from La to Vegas and that year Lance Hamilton, the racer, that fund racer, was there.

He was in a very expensive car.

And these Bugattis and these Puganis and all of these super cars, they operate almost like an airplane engine in the way that if I was sold that if you get into Bugatti with a full tank and you put foot all the way down, your car will be on e in like ten minutes.

Wow.

And so this guy was out in the middle of the open and thought he'd open it up and ran out of gas.

Where him being Lewis Hamilton, I said, Lansam, sorry, Lewis Hamilton.

Doesn't help him.

His money doesn't help him.

He needs a friend.

He needs someone, a person to come and stop and help him, you know.

And someone did.

Yeah.

No, at that point it doesn't matter.

I don't care who comes.

I just need help.

So we do.

I'm all over the place.

But did you go to Gumble regularly.

Yeah, this is my first year not doing it in several years, but I've done I started in two thousand and ten and I've probably done it twelve times.

Oh the wedding though, tell me about that.

We had Eve on the pod.

So she seems really happy, She's very happy.

Could you tell that in that moment of bringing two people together before?

And how is that your job?

How did that even happen?

So we even I started doing the rally, the Gumball three thousand rally the same year got it.

She didn't know anyone.

I didn't know anyone but we and we had never met, but we were familiar with who each other was.

So we were like, I don't know what's gonna happen, We're gonna stay close.

You're my friend.

Yes.

At the same time, the guy that owns Gumball was going through a divorce during that race.

And I remember the first night because he always escorts the talent, like whoever's performing, whoever's the celebrity, he escorts them to the parties.

That night he escorted everybody, including Eve.

The second night he only brought Eve.

And then the third night you could just see something was happening with these people after the rally, and I don't want to tell all their business.

But after the rally, he invited her for a date to come to London to meet him and go on a date.

And she went and she never left.

She never left.

He loves every single part of her.

And I'll tell you how much.

When I knew he loved her, he called me one day, this is before he asked me to do the wedding.

He called me, said, Bun, I've got a problem.

I said, talk to him.

He was like, I touched Eve's hair last night and she was not excited about that.

He like, He's like, is that a thing?

I said, that is absolutely a thing.

Yes, like black woman's hair.

Once it's done, you leave it.

You leave it, you don't touch it, you don't caress it, you don't run your fingers through it.

It's not that kind of situation.

And he was like, good to know, good to know.

But he wanted to make sure that he wasn't doing anything that would mess this up.

He really really wanted to do this right.

And then I remember we were in this is the same time we were in Las Vegas.

He called.

He says, but I need you to go somewhere with me.

Can you come with me?

I was like, yeah, sure, let's go.

And so we get in the cab and I'm like, where are we going?

He's like, we're just taking a ride.

I was like, so even and are getting married?

He says, I propose.

She accepted.

We're getting married, but the wedding, the actual ceremony, the wedding has to be done legally in London or it won't be recognized, he says.

But I want to marry her at the end of the rally in Ibitha, he says, And so we put so.

So the legal one is the one we're doing at home, so this one is more like ceremonial kind of thing.

So we were like, who should marry us?

So I wrote a list of names.

She wrote a list of names, and you're the only name that was on both lists.

WHOA.

And they were like, we're going to do it next year on the next rally, and we would love for you to do the wedding.

I had to get ordained.

So even though it didn't mean anything right because legally wouldn't even be recognized back home, but I wanted to do seriously, I took it very seriously.

I bought clothes that I would never wear before.

I bought like this linen, this very long linen set.

I didn't want to put on a suit because it was a very relaxed ceremony, So I dressed what I thought a pastor would wear at a beach wedding, right kind of a thing.

And we had paparazzi on boats shooting from the ocean.

It was It was amazing.

But they were only at the wedding, maybe fifteen people.

It was his children and her family.

Her grandmother came and her grandmother had never been on a plane before, and they flew her all the way to Ibitha.

Just amazing.

It was a beautiful ceremony.

His children got up and they were talking about how happy they were that their dad was happy, and they have her.

She braided there.

They never had their hair braided.

Wow, she braided their hair and played with it in their room with the dolls and everything.

And they love her.

They call her mom.

Why do you think they wanted you to do it?

What was the connection?

I don't know.

I think I was the only one that they were Like a lot of people do the rally right, A lot of people pay to do the rally, but certain people he likes to have on the rally because he actually likes them as friends, like they're actually friends when they're not rallying.

And so I became one of those people.

And I mean, I just no one else that E would know more on the rally than me.

And as far as getting married on the rally, that least common denominator between them was me, and I was I couldn't believe.

I couldn't believe they it really, it really was to marry them because I knew these people were in love.

I wanted to be a part of this marriage, you know what I'm saying, So them asking me to do it cemented my place in their family.

And I just I love how they love on each other.

I love how when she's got concerts, he goes, when he's got business, she goes.

Like they are inseparable as much as they possibly can be.

The only time I ever saw them separate was when their child was born, and for the first year, they didn't think it was okay for the wife for the baby to come on the rally because it's it's a lot to do this.

But from two on up, he's been there.

He's from two on up.

He's been there.

Oh he's adorable, he's and oh you should see how he has a big brother, Cash and Cash loves because everyone else's girls.

So it's Cash and three other girls for years.

And now he has a brother and he loves being a big brother.

He lives in New York.

Now to you to invest in this family, I do because I feel like I'm a part of it.

I feel like I'm a part of bringing this family together.

But I love to watch them in real time, like at home online I see him and her and the boy and maybe the girls.

Or for the holidays, they all go out to the family.

The family has a nice house in the English countryside, and they'll go out there and see the parents.

And I just love being a part of bringing these two worlds together in a very genuine and authentic way because these people separately had everything they needed in life except a partner, and now they both found their partner, and now they're building this family together.

I love it for.

You're really like you believe in love.

Yeah, I know what love can do to a person.

I know what a lack of love can do to a person as well.

So I'm always for love, like, just go for it, try it, you know what I'm saying, See if it works, because a relationship built around love is so fulfilling and it's so satisfying because when you don't have everything else that the world says you should have, if you have a person that loves you and that you love back, you can build anything from that.

I've seen it.

No wonder they wanted you to do the ceremony.

I do believe in love do I do believe in love because I've been a relationships where I thought I was in love and I realized I wasn't.

I've been a relationships where I thought people loved me and they didn't.

But when I found this woman, I was at the bottom.

I had nothing to offer this woman, and this woman took me in.

And it's my duty to take care of I don't see any other duty.

I start there and then everything else.

If I can make sure that's intact, we can get through anything else life throws at us.

We've done it already.

I love how you believe in love.

Everybody believes in love, but people get it wrong.

You have to be in love with the worst of a person you have to be willing to see a person at their worst and be like bad, I sing worse than that, I've seen worse than that, you know what I'm saying, Like I've been in Me and my wife do not get along all the time, and most of our arguments are in tone.

If she thinks I talk louder than I should have, that in itself will become a problem.

Yeah, vice versa, Like what cam you?

You really believe you needed to tell me that that way?

Kind of a thing.

But in spite of that, in spite of seeing me at my worst, my wife still loves me, and I still love her in spite of everything, you know what I'm saying.

Obviously she's had a lot more to do with me than me with her.

But yeah, love is the only thing that gets us through everything that we've been through as a family.

It's the single most important thing.

Message.

I feel like that's a thing, Like we're going to need that.

As a thing.

You gotta work to that though, Like you, you don't meet someone and fall in love and immediately get rid of all your bad habits.

You've got to constantly work at yourself to make sure that those.

Things preach that go ahead.

Things don't consistently come up in the relationship because it'll drive a wedge.

Especially if it's something that you can work on, you just choose not to.

That's going to be a problem.

And when your partner has something that they need to work on, once they start working on it, give them encouragement, keep them lifted up.

You know what I'm saying, Work with them.

If somebody needs to get in shape, if you're if one person in shape, the other one is in shape, we still both got to go to the gym.

We still both got to go to the gym.

It's a real partnership.

Absolutely.

Yeah.

Because cold school, like grandparent couples.

This is all of this seems like wisdom.

This is just from sucking up a lot as a younger man and growing up and living through these experiences and bettering myself because of these things.

That's where I'm at now.

All right, we got listen.

Love is going to be the theme of this conversation, but we do have to talk about some of the real quickly, the reinventions and the evolutions with what's happening.

Well, we'll get to Black Cowboy too, which I want to talk to you about that too, but also just Trillburger.

First of all, I feel like every cool golf event that I go to there is a Trillburger spot, and every time I get to it, it's I don't get one because they're gone.

I feel like, I don't know.

It's like a hot commodity.

And we try to bring every We try to bring every tournament or every event we do enough food.

We try to bring enough food.

But every event that we do, we were gonna be like, Okay, who's golfing?

How many people are golfing?

And we try to set aside two burgers for each golfer.

Anyone deside for me.

But it's just been beautiful to try to chase this thing.

I find myself constantly chasing this thing.

And the reason I chase it is because it keeps growing.

It's getting very hard for us to keep our hands wrapped around this thing because it's dying to grow.

It is dying to grow and being in more cities and more communities and have more customers come in.

But we have to keep it manageable for us.

We get approached.

I get approach every week with people wanting to buy franchise.

I've been offered millions of dollars several times just to be a part.

We're not selling, but just to be a part of this company.

You know, people when we do when I do the golf tournaments like cal It, most of the people will be like, man, this is a good burger.

This is a really good burger.

I really like this burger.

But those golfers that are also entrepreneurs and businessmen, they'll be like you got something, like you've got something?

Yeah, yeah.

It's like this is are y'all taking any investment right now?

Are y'all taking any partners?

Not right now.

I'm not saying we won't eventually, but right now it's manageable, and right now we're scaling at a pace that we can control.

Congratulations close, but it takes everything just to keep it contained.

But we're at the space now where we think we can control this for a while.

We we're about to have our third and fourth door within the next three months, and then next year we're going to slow down and work on the culture of the restaurants because we've expanded so quickly that we've just had to have warm bodies that can cook.

Right.

But now we're not just one store.

We're not two stores with four stories.

We're going to need it.

We have a regional manager, but we're going to need people that can lock in on locations and just be you're that guy for that door.

Yeah, you know what the challenges of any growing business, I think right right, How does a man with this level of business and this level of family and this level of just everything.

That you have to do?

Fine time to do a high Horse?

I don't know you even.

High Horse worked out because I was already in the black rodeo space.

I'd been performing at the Houston Livestock Show on Rodeo in Houston for the past four years.

It's a twenty one day event that gets over I would say two point two million people through those twenty one days.

Every night has a concert in the football stadium, but the.

Dock's not about that.

No, no, no, no, that's your entry point, yes, got it.

So me being involved with this rodeo from the black heritage perspective, it has given me a totally different view one of what rodeos are, two of what a cowboy is, and three how contributive Black people have been to this world for years.

Yeah, start doing the deep dives and realize how bad it was for black cowboys prior to this time, and that I'm a part of a new age and a new wave.

But we still have to be still have to be clear about what came before.

And so because of this new awareness, I started to talk differently about the rodeo.

I started to talk differently about black representation in country Western spaces.

And because of that, I was actually be a part of the documentary.

That makes sense, I see that.

Yeah, okay.

So we have a new segment.

It is presented by boost Mobiles called voice Note.

So this is where either listener of a commenter or a friend of the show sends in a voice note for you, wow, see the love a story, usually a question, Sometimes people want advice.

These all kinds of different things.

Somebody's sent it as a voice note.

Yes, of course he's from Texas.

I love it yo.

Oh my boy, Bob, I got a question for you, bro, let's go.

So I just got married.

A personal players anthem was actually my way to walkout song.

But I'll keep it, bro, I ain't gonna lie.

I used to be a player.

Now I'm trying to walk the straight line and avoid the gun line, what type of advice would you give me on being a solid husband and and and then try.

To do right type shit like, what advice would you give me?

No question, he asked the right question to the right guy, didn't he He didn't even know what our conversation was gonna be to answered it.

The whole podcast.

By the way, I.

Will just rewind this whole I got specific advice for Will.

Okay, specific advice for Will.

Will.

I'm gonna need you in the next I'm gonna need you by the beginning of the year to get yourself to a place where you can leave your phone with your wife for the weekend.

Mmm, I'm gonna need you to get to that place.

How do you get there?

Explain that?

Break that down?

Well, you got it.

The first thing is you shouldn't have the numbers in the phone anyway.

If you married, you should have done you should have done this before.

But let's say you don't want to be tempted anymore.

That's not gonna happen.

You're gonna be tempted.

You're gonna find women that are prettier than your wife.

You're gonna find women that are built better than your wife.

You're gonna find women that are gonna do whatever you tell them to do.

But they're not gonna protect you.

They're not gonna love you in the way that your wife does.

They're not gonna care for you, they're not gonna know what you need.

They're gonna assume a lot of things.

And basically, what you're gonna have to do is try to teach and train somebody to love you in the way that somebody already does.

It's not worth it.

It's not worth it.

Bro.

If you loved enough to marry her and to give her your last name in front of all those people, and God Almighty, at least you could do is keep your phone in your life clean.

That's it.

The idea of marrying a woman is saying to the world, I'm done, I found the one.

I am complete.

It won't be perfect, but it'll be perfect for us.

That's it.

If you're not there, bro, don't get married, don't move in like, don't even do none of that shit, because it's already it's already toxic at that point, it's already problematic.

At that point, take some time.

If you have any women in your life, my brother, now's the time.

Get it.

Done, get it done, get it get erase everything out of that you need to be done with.

And I hope your wife is watching.

I hope your wife is watching because she needs to do it.

Too, y'all.

I was gonna say, I wonder she needs to do it too, because the idea is not just leaving the phone at home.

You should be in a marriage where y'all can trade phones, right and if somebody calls her phone for her, you can tell them she has your phone, and vice versa.

That's the test.

But you got to do your part first, will But you chose Clayer's anthem, so sound like you're on the right way.

You're never gonna again.

You're never gonna want to stop being a player because a lot of people around you are gonna be single.

They're gonna be actively dating, They're gonna be going on vacation with women, women that can do what they want, not like you.

Because I hope that you and her building a family at some point.

You know, marriage is a great thing, a wedding is a beautiful thing, but you need a family.

You have a full family, it'll put life in a perspective a lot better for you, and you won't have to ask me these questions.

But yeah, man, clean their phone out, And to whoever we'll married, God bless you from marrying him, clean your phone out too, because at the beginning of the year, y'all gonna get some swapping going.

The fact that he.

Reached out is a good sign because it means he wants to be a good hub.

Yeah, and he people know I'm known for being a married man that takes his wife everywhere and that kind of thing.

So I want him to be able to have that type of marriage.

But you've got to have that level of transparency.

You've got to be fully transparent.

She got to have your email passwords.

You got to have your phone password because you're gonna be somewhere with your wife and her phone going down.

She's gonna need your phone.

So if you' hiding something, it's gonna come out.

Bro, nothing stays hidden forever.

It's best for you to exercise these demons now why you can and just get because what happens is you're not giving all of yourself to your wife in the first place.

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One thing I'm no longer apologizing for.

One thing I'm no longer apologizing for is not being a version of me that you thought could help you.

And why I say that as an entertainer because I don't have a record company.

I don't want a record company.

I don't want artists calling me at three in the morning because they got kicked out of a hotel for smoking weed.

I don't want artists calling me because they're in a high speed chase because they got into it with some dudes.

I don't want to have an artist that represents one color that's prominent in a certain city, then they fall out with the other color in another city.

And now because this guy's my artist representing that color, I represent that color.

Now I am no longer welcome in the city.

I don't have any gang affiliation or any ties like that.

I don't represent anything.

My gang is UGK.

I represent that for life.

But those are the type of things that you have to take into consideration.

If you're looking at, you know, being have a record company signing artist, there's a lot of things that you have to navigate.

I don't want to have to navigate this stuff.

It was no longer available for or no longer what was the question?

No longer Oh one thing I'm no longer apologized and apologizing for as not being a version of me that people expected me.

I can only be me, you know what I'm saying.

I can only be who I am.

My job right now is to be authentic and intentional.

So whoever you meet, and that's been the beauty of being me.

I've been very lucky that if you met me in ninety two and see me again in two thousand and five, and then see me again in twenty twenty five, outside of my clothes and my weight and maybe the drugs I do because I just to smoke a lot of wet I'll be very honest about that.

But you've met the same person every time.

As far as how I look at life, how I move things like that, You've you've never had to be like, damn, what happened to him?

I've always been that same person.

And that's and I'm going to be that person whether or not it benefits me in the moment.

All Right, Our final question in real life?

Bum bye?

Yes?

What do you most proud of in your life?

It's really a two part question because it's two questions.

I'm squeezing into one in real life.

What are you most proud of about yourself to this whole journey of life?

And then what do you hope people take away from your experience?

I think the one thing I'm most proud of is that I haven't given a reason to the most important people in my life to not like me.

Like most of the people that I've been able to count on in my life, I can still count on because I haven't done anything that would make them question the choices that I may or the trust that they have in me.

That for sure.

And what's the second part?

What do you hope people take away from your experience?

You know, like even this guy who called, or people who admire your career, maybe you're watched you from afar, even this legacy that you have, Like, what do you hope that legacy is?

What do you hope people take from your life?

I hope that people try to be a better version today than they were yesterday and strive to be a better version of me today tomorrow.

That's it, because I've evolved like a motherfucker, Like I have not been this person.

I've evolved.

So I try to do those things as publicly as possible.

When I have, you know, great achievements, I celebrate that publicly.

When I have things that you know, when I lose people, I have bad things happen.

I tried to share that with people because people would look at my life of various aspects of my life from the outside and assume that I've got it made.

I've accomplished so many things.

No, I've accomplished a few things, but those things have been public, and there are things that other people want to accomplish.

So that's why it gets glorified and lifted up a little bit.

It's almost like it's a beacon to people to be like, see he did it, you can do it.

Do kind of a thing.

But that's fifteen percent of my life.

I'm most proud of the other eighty five percent of my life that no one else sees, but the people that I love, and that they're proud of what I do when I'm off the clock.

You know, I remember Will Smith talking about he wanted to Grammy and then the first hip hop Grammy, and then he went home and he showed it to his grandmother.

She's like, that's nice.

Go take the trash out of tragedy.

That's my wife, that's my life.

I'm not saying that we don't celebrate achievements and we don't take pride in our accomplishments.

But fifteen percent, get back to the eighty five my got Get back to the eighty five percent of your duties.

Get that trash taken out.

I had to take the trash out the morning.

I'll let it, put it on the curve.

I leave you well.

I will tell you the fifteen percent and the eighty five percent have been really inspiring to hear.

Thank you, thank you.

I'm so glad I did this anyway.

We've never had this kind of conversation.

I'm so grateful for that.

Thank you.

I feel like I got to know you in a whole nother truly.

That's that's the thing.

That's the game right now is to make sure to dispose of any misconceptions, any miscommunication right or anything that they thought they knew, even if they liked it about me.

I got to be I got to come clean about these things.

I got to leave everything I've learned, and ye I tell this to everybody.

I got to leave everything I've learned that's helped me or hurt me in life and get that information out of me to the world before I die.

I don't want to die with game that I didn't give to nobody.

That's a bar we leave that.

We'll leave it right there.

I can't wait to hear the music.

I'll watch the documentary, yes, and I'm gonna Get Me a Trill Trill back.

The documentary is gonna be cool because they're gonna release all three episodes at one time.

So you know, it's not like most where you gotta watch one.

This have no patience.

You're able to sit there and just watch the whole thing and watch and.

I'm gonna get me a Trill Burker's.

It's perfect holiday watching too.

You'll love it.

Thank you, Thank you for having me.

Bum Be Everybody, Yo, what's up?

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