Hello and welcome to this episode of Tripology.

It's the only show where the two hosts creeping, tiptoeing about planet Earth with ever such speed.

I'm Alan and I'm here with the ever misleading Adam.

It's one hell of a show today, mate.

We've got an article in the beginning, a really fun article.

We're going to talk about when 2 worlds collide, the travel world, the real world, and the futuristic world of AI.

Then in the second section of the show, we've got a tripological reasoning where you're going to ask me what on earth would I do in this situation?

It's completely hypothetical.

And then of course, at the end of the show, we've got everyone's favorite section.

It's Tales of a Trip where we hear from one of you guys What an.

Excellent summarisation of the show to come.

It's all very, very exciting.

An article, you say?

Using artificial intelligence in the travel world.

Do pray tell?

I know that is something that you're well, something something you've got experience in very first hand.

I remember when you were waltzing around Shanghai with ChatGPT up your arm.

Yeah, I think.

There's two categories of people in their relationships with AI.

You've got the doomers, the people that think AI is going to take over the world and it's a terrible thing, and people who dare to have a glimmer of hope, thinking that actually AI is a useful tool and if used in moderation it can just make life better.

I think I'd probably sit in that camp.

I think that it can be a good tool to be utilised.

Yeah, so there I was earlier today, mate.

And I was thinking, I've got a chat with Alan later.

What is it we can talk about?

I went on the BBC website and I went to the travel section as I'd like to do, because that's just sort of my, my afternoon reading.

You know, when I'm at work and there's nothing to do, I like to read about travel.

And I came up with this article, came across this article, beg your pardon.

And it was titled The Perils of Letting AI Plan Your Next Trip.

So I'm just going to go through the the article now.

And it really is quite interesting.

It was published earlier today.

So the article starts an imagined town in Peru and Eiffel Tower in Beijing.

Travellers are increasingly using tools like ChatGPT for itinerary ideas and being sent to destinations that don't exist.

Miguel Angel Gongora Meza, founder and director of Evolution Treks Peru, was in rural Peruvian town preparing for a trek through the Andes when he overheard a curious conversation.

2 accompanied unaccompanied tourists were chatting amicably about their plans to hike alone in the mountains to the sacred Canyon of Humante.

He said.

He said he said they showed me the screenshot confidently, confidently written and full of vivid adjectives.

Hello, man, after your own heart.

It was, it was not true.

There is no sacred Canyon of Humante, said Gongura Meza.

The name is a combination of two places that have no relation to the description.

The tourists had paid nearly $160 in order to get to a rural Rd.

in the invariance of Moyapata, which I don't know somewhere you've been without a guide and they were essentially stranded there.

And what this guy goes on to say is basically the problem with this is especially somewhere like Peru, is that if you end up somewhere you shouldn't be as a result of ChatGPT just coming up with something fanciful, it says you could find yourself at 4000 metres altitude without oxygen and no phone signal.

What do you make of that mate?

Well.

I think that the guy is rightly kind of dismissive of their use of ChatGPT.

Obviously they've not done a good job there, but I would say we everyone kind of knows that ChatGPT hallucinates sometimes.

Sometimes you ask a question and it goes off on the right tangential mess of dialogue.

So I think basically what they what they've done is the equivalent of asking a very knowledgeable friend a question and then just taken their response at absolute face value and gone on a whole adventure without Googling it first.

Actually, that's you make a good point actually, because that would be my second port of call after saying to ChatGPT, we imagine the first question was tell me some great places to go in Peru.

Yeah.

And then the the moment it sends you, it comes up with the the result.

Surely the the second thing you would do is just Google it to have a look at some pictures or go on Instagram or TikTok or whatever, isn't it?

Absolutely, certainly.

I mean, I would expect you to do that to me if, if I asked you for recommendations for for some place that you've been to and I've not, let's say, Vladivostok in Russia, if I said, you know, Adam, what should I do in Vladivostok?

And you gave me a list of five things.

What I'm not going to do is jump on a plane and go to Vladivostok for those five things without first being like, OK, well, let me figure out which one of those would I want to do, where to go, where to do it.

I believe you that they exist, but I wouldn't just use you as the only reference book.

It is a really strange thing actually to do some of the work and maybe not the most important thing.

The article then continues and says.

According to a 2024 survey, 30% of those surveyed who used AI to help plan their travels reported that it could not provide enough information, while around 33% said that AI generated recommendations included false information.

So is that something you came across when you were in China?

Did you get taken to a location that didn't exist?

Kind of, yeah.

I mean, but I think it was just because I struggled to read the signage.

As a result of not being able to speak Mandarin.

Well, I think this, yeah, I think basically it said you got to go to this dumpling shop, but it used English to convey that information to me.

And when I arrived on the street where the dumpling shop was supposed to be, it didn't say dumpling shop.

It had a series of Chinese characters.

So, so that we don't end under, so that we don't end up going around in circles here with AI and technology and social media and all that sort of stuff.

Does AI form part of that?

And is it actually hindering our experience of travel or do you think that it exists sort of separately and it should be used or treated with a sort of different level of respect or exigent?

What's it?

What's it demands?

Yeah, that's it.

I said the French.

Are you dating a French person?

Yeah, well, that's I'm trying to speak French as much as I can, but because her English is so much better than my French, we would have quite boring conversations in the evening if if we just only spoke in French.

Adam's one of those people that you can do in a bit of French.

He'll do that kind of fame thing where you confuse it.

I'll be like, oh, you're right mate.

I'll go.

Oh, bonjour.

Oh, sorry, sorry.

Hello.

I just got back from France.

Sorry.

That's what you're saying, France.

Sorry, sorry.

Look, I think this sort of problems always existed to some extent.

I remember when I was travelling around Africa and I can't exactly remember where it was, but it might have been Zambia.

Nice.

Me and my then partner, we were searching for something to do and we were Googling like one of those lists, like an aggregator of like this is the top 10 things to do in this town, this quite small town.

And in all of those lists was go and visit the little model village.

OK.

And.

I was quite excited.

I thought, well, I mean, look, there wasn't that much to do in this town.

So we thought let's go and check out the model village because quite insane for a model village to make it to the top of various best thing to do aggregators.

So it must be quite exceptional.

Some of them really raved about this village.

So we went to where the village was supposed to be and it didn't exist.

Oh, and it just wasn't there, right?

And my partner was like, oh, OK, whatever, right.

We moved on, but I couldn't let it go because I was like, what happened there?

And I really was digging in online, like what is it that occurred that meant that that was just a field and not a model village, despite so many places raving about it.

And it turned out that basically it was someone's did a proposal as like a university project.

Right.

Like, oh, wouldn't it be nice for like the community to build a model village and they they like presented on it and like done a video maybe where it was like the model village and it had just been, there was so little to do in that town that that university presentation got like picked up and just inserted into the algorithm about things to do in that town.

It didn't exist.

It never existed.

Not even one model house ever was placed there.

It was just a university project.

So can we blame ChatGPT, Is what I'm saying?

Because human writers have been making the same mistakes for years.

Yeah, well, you're not wrong.

I mean, there's this whole Instagram versus reality thing.

And maybe maybe the onus is on the Instagram, the influences, the travel influences to, to portray a side of travel or a location that is maybe more realistic.

I don't know where where you draw the line because is from a certain angle, isn't AI only kind of doing what Ocelot do anyway because you know, the top 10 things to do in any city?

I rarely agree with those lists, by the way.

I mean, they aren't, they're quite generic.

If they get up to the, you know, the top few entries on Google, they're normally there or thereabouts to say.

You kind of have to Scroll down a little bit further to get to a list that's written by someone who's more similar to us.

Yeah, you usually have to type in something like, oh, backpacking Zambia or a shoestring budget.

Yeah, I mean, hidden gems now has just become completely redundant.

But I don't think a hidden gem exists because if you're typing into a website, if you're typing into Google, you know, hidden gems, Budapest or whatever.

Yeah, every single person in their dog who's ever been to Budapest has probably found that same list, because once you just.

Get a jewelry shop.

Once, once it becomes the default to type in hidden gems, you know, it's, it's just going to be so ubiquitous and and overrun with tourists.

And as we learned on the last week's episode, there's one thing I don't like about travel is other tourists.

Yeah, I think Hidden Gems is a funny one because if you, if you were going to write the actual hidden gems, you wouldn't get many hits on Google.

I think because we're living in this gamified system where you've got to like, say the right things in order to get ranked on a search engine.

If I was going to do a hidden gems thing about Shagao, where I'm currently living, I would say like, oh, there's this Moody little beach sort of 30 minutes away from the town.

You can go and sit there and watch crabs if you want.

That's my hidden gem.

But that ain't no one's typing that in, so no one's ever going to discover it.

The location to the apartment you're in, you say when you're in the kitchen you can smash the the window frame out.

That's a hidden gem.

Yeah, yeah, if you need to break in, it's a hidden gem.

You can take whatever you like.

No, but you know, we digress.

I mean, AI is getting getting its claws into travel.

It hasn't affected us just yet.

If anything has benefited the show, but I don't know.

I won't be asking ChatGPT to curate an itinerary for me without sort of doing my double and triple checking.

I think that's our message for the listening audience.

If you are going to use ChatGPT to plan your travels, and I do recommend you give them a little ping, ask them a few questions.

Always double check on Google first as you may end up going to a model village that doesn't really exist.

Now though, Adam, it's time for me to ask you some hypothetical questions because I've got something on my mind that I want to know what you would do if it happened to you hypothetically.

It's tripological reasoning, tripological reasoning, tripological reasoning driving me inside.

Oh, what would you do?

Tripological reasoning, Adam hypothetical backpacking questions.

What sort of backpacker training ground where I ask you things just to see what you would do, see if you're a good backpacker.

But this week I have a range a few questions.

I just want to know just kind of quick fire, what is it that you would do if these things what happened to you?

Let's say you're living somewhere on the road.

Like a bus stop.

Yes, yes.

Or perhaps A10 to the ditch.

Let's say you're on the road, you're living somewhere, and the place you're staying has a range of amenities.

And one of the amenities that you use regularly, let's say sort of a coffee pot.

You're walking from the kitchen area to where your cup is on a table and you dropped it and it smashed into proverbial smithereens all over the ground, shards of glass everywhere.

Would you, I mean, what would you do?

Basically, would you, would you contact your landlord and tell them that you smashed the coffee pot?

Or would you, would you try and replace it without knowing?

Or would you?

What would you do?

So the coffee pot came, comes with the apartment, does it sort of.

I didn't bring it there.

I didn't bite myself.

This imaginary apartment?

Yeah.

And this imaginary apartment, first port of call.

I'd be pretty frustrated actually.

I hate breaking things.

It happens almost never, very rarely.

And you know, I work with a lot of glass, as you can imagine working in the wine industry.

So I'm always polishing hundreds of glasses a day, very rarely break 1.

So this already would be very strange for me to for drop a glass coffee pot.

But I would be, I would be beside myself.

I'd sweep it all up for sure.

I'd regret all the coffee that I was wasting.

And I think I would probably leave it a very long time before notifying the landlord.

Hoping that what would happen in the interim period.

Well, maybe that.

I wouldn't see them probably I think.

Ever.

You just go without talent.

No, no, I'd replace it for sure.

I'll try and replace it if I could.

Yeah.

But yeah, in all honesty, I mean, things not exactly like that.

I can't think of anything off the top of my head, but I know in that situation it would be one of those things that was in the back of my mind thinking, I've got to do that tomorrow, I've got to maybe address that next week.

And before you know, it's two months.

And then the person approaches you and says where the fuck's the coffee pot and you go.

Yeah, I can empathize.

I can empathize with that.

Yeah, that's interesting.

OK, so you basically go as long as you could.

OK, well, that's interesting.

Another hypothetical travel backpacking scenario.

If you were on the road staying somewhere, for example, and there was a bunch of amenities providers and one of them was a a safe.

And you're about to put something in the safe and you to and and the handle of the safe door just came completely off in your hand into pieces.

So the safe no longer worked.

Sounds quite unsafe.

Yeah.

What would you, what would you do?

Because you can't replace a safe obviously, but.

Yeah, so, well, hang on.

In this situation, it is the safe, but the safe is now open.

Was hypothetical the situation, but I imagine the safe was would be open and unable to close, yeah.

So it's redundant.

It's completely redundant and now no longer operates as a safe at all.

Yeah, yeah, the handle's just broken.

OK, the landlord's getting a call about that 1 I think.

OK.

Because you don't think that's your fault, because obviously you were just trying to use a safe as intended and it opened, Yeah.

I think that's a faulty piece of equipment.

Does it make it more awkward to do the coffee call and the safe call in one go?

Like let's say you were moving out soon or something and you just have.

Would you just do them both at the same time or?

But you could roll it into one.

Because if both of those happens, if both of those things happened completely hypothetically, then what you could do is if you did need to make a call and it was around the time you were leaving said hypothetical apartment, maybe you could say that you smashed the coffee pot as a result of the handle coming off of the safe.

Yeah, or you could move it into the conversation.

You could be like, Oh yeah, and the glass whenever it was really unsafe.

Speaking of which, the handle, I like it.

Good ideas mate I think.

I think it's probably what I would do that the handle coming off of the safe feels less that you had less control over that.

I think that's a faulty piece of equipment.

I think that's something that's imperative to the Airbnb or the the apartment itself.

I think not having a safe immediately means that there there's like a change in the offering.

Oh.

Really I I would have thought of the safe as quite redundant because there's obviously a lock on the door of the house, but.

Which you know all too well because you've been locked out multiple times.

The listener won't know this, but we had to cancel last week's week's recording because you locked yourself out of your own apartment.

Yeah, yeah, stuff like that does keep on happening.

Anyway, one more hypothetical situation, if you sort of on the road, you were travelling and, you know, you're staying somewhere with some amenities that were provided.

One of them was that was a water pump which was actually purchased new for you and sort of like it gets put on top of a big water jug and it pumps the water out so you can have clean drinking water and all that sort of stuff.

And then one day the IT just stopped working and whenever you push the button, it just made a sort of whirring noise, but it spotted out and it just wasn't working anymore.

What would you do in that situation?

This is happening in complete isolation of the other two events that are well.

Let's just hypothetically say that they're all happening together at once.

I think the the water pump seems like the should be the most important but I care about it the least.

Maybe I would try, and you know better than anyone how bad I am at a taking the initiative to to solve anything can be, then actually being able to solve it myself.

I'd soon ask you for help or anyone else at this passing by, but I would probably try.

And there's usually a lid on those things, isn't there?

I can imagine the water tanks you're talking about, does it have sort of a spout?

And when you compress the lid, it goes quite slowly, like one of those slow closing kitchen cupboards.

No, in this hypothetical scenario it's very much an electronic pump that is very difficult to analyse.

Just from looking at it, it seems like it's completely one sealed unit basically.

Oh dear.

And and hypothetically quite expensive.

I mean, that would be my concern if I was you answering this hypothetical question.

OK, well, it's I'll get you a little bit overwhelmed with the amount of hypothetical things that are going wrong and I think.

It's interesting that you feel overwhelmed because I feel.

Great, that's a long list of things that are hypothetically going wrong in this altogether.

Yeah, I think one of the problems is if you were to report it, it kind of seems like a bit of a piss take, doesn't it, to do it all at once.

So then you might try and stagger it out over a period of weeks, but then realise that you may not have weeks to go.

So you would change your plans to potentially stay in this place longer just so you can stagger the various broken things?

Just just out of curiosity, yeah.

How how long has it been since these things have have broken in?

In the situation I'm in, the hypothetical situation that I'm in, are these all?

Am I addressing this as it's happened in the moment?

I like to imagine I've given you them in chronological order starting about two weeks ago.

I would feel more and more guilty the more times I interacted with my landlord.

Is is what I think the moment you have an opportunity to address something and and speak to someone about something.

And this goes for, you know, this can be extended into not just any other hypothetical situation, but maybe even real life situations when when you have something to tell someone and you interact with them regularly and choose to avoid it, obviously that's what snowballs.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

But obviously this, this landlord, she wouldn't know that they've happened a long time ago.

You know, she wouldn't be like, but I was there the other day, why didn't you say anything?

Because she wouldn't know when it had happened and that.

She's not going to come in like a forensic detective and start running her finger along the floor, smelling it and going hang on a minute, that's four week old coffee.

Yeah, exactly.

That would be terrible.

Well, those are insightful answers you've given.

I mean, basically, you just told me you'd be overwhelmed.

In other news, everything's going great in the Philippines.

I'm happy and as I'm just glad to do this podcast.

So yeah, man, I love travelling.

I love it very much.

And now it's time to hear from someone else who loves travelling in a night.

And we like to call Tales of a Trip, where people give us their 3 minutes of the greatest travel story of all time.

Perhaps tell us a tale of the time you went and absolutely ransacked and Airbnb while you were staying in the Philippines.

Perhaps tell the time of the most beautiful sunset you've ever had, All that sort of stuff.

3 minutes.

Your greatest travel story.

Let's listen to one right now.

All right, guys, this is Hammer from the Wing Net Travel podcast.

Love your podcast.

Here's my quick story.

It's a bit of an old one.

This is at the Lao and Thailand border.

There's a river there.

And when I got to the Lao side to get my exit stamp, I had my passport over and this guy was absolutely going nuts at me.

I had no idea.

And otherwise they haven't done anything wrong, just queued up by everyone else.

He didn't like it.

Anyway, I told him where to go because I was like well I ain't got time for this.

So in my ignorant arrogant self, younger self, I popped on a boat across to Thailand, got to Thailand side and the guy there a bit more professional in a uniform basically said no, you can't come in.

I said, oh, why not?

He goes, well you haven't got a stamp out of the country.

I was like, all right, he has also you haven't got a stamp in the country.

I was like, that's the problem, no idea how I missed that.

So he said you've got to go back, get your stamps in and then come back to me.

So off I go in a bit of a huff and a puff.

And my mates who was with about 6-7, I was travelling at the time, just said, hey, look, you might need this.

And that was U.S.

dollars and Thai baht.

So stuffed that in my pocket, jumped in a boat back across the river and guess who's waiting for me?

That same guy and three of his mates.

And one of those is some some army captain with a gun pointed me out in my England shirt as I come back across the river.

I was like, oh shit, I'm in trouble there.

And he said, yeah, you come this way.

Is that right?

Here we go.

It was scared at this point actually.

I'm like, oh, my friends have all gone across the border and there's a bus waiting for us to go to Chiang Mai.

So I got into the room for what seemed like just to get the admin done and he said I'll sit down.

Do you speak low issue?

I said no, don't speak low issue.

There's snooker on the TV when O'Sullivan was playing in the Crucible and he said you haven't got a stamp in your passport, Why not?

I said I don't know, I must have missed a sign, which is actually generally true.

I don't.

I still don't know to this day why I didn't get stamping.

He said your visa's here but your stamp's not, so you need a visa to get out.

So you need a stamp to get out of the country and then you'll be fine to go.

Is that cool?

He said it's going to cost $70.00.

I was like what, 70 U.S.

dollars?

He goes yeah, so now I'm not having that.

He goes, well if you don't have that, then you're going to stay in this room for forever.

Is that right?

OK, so I sat there for 30 minutes trying to negotiate to and fro, tried everything, the silent treatment, angry, nice, bad cop, good cop, all the above.

And it got to 30 minutes.

I was like, I'm stuck here, what do I do?

I said OK, well I've got no choice.

What the options?

He goes U.S.

dollar or Thai baht.

I said well give me a Thai baht estimation and gave me a tie by estimation that was $7.00 cheaper.

So yeah, I'll have that.

Paid the money and as soon as I paid the money, stamp, stamp in in my passport.

Away you go and lesson learned.

There is become under pressure.

Be careful of signs and follow the right signs and don't get too angry.

Cheers.

James Hammond from Winging It Travel podcast, one of the best travel podcasts out there.

Go and check it out.

It's a great show.

What I will say, Adam and I think James is a great traveller, but if you're there in the Louisian border with Ronnie O'Sullivan playing snooker on the TVI reckon I'm I'm chilling.

I'm spending a little bit more time in there and I think as the time ticks away and you're sort of proving to them that you're comfortable and that price starts coming down.

But he's got places to be.

James is a busy man.

He's got places he wants to go.

He's there's probably people waiting for him on the other side.

He's in his England shirt.

You would have been more patient, would you?

I just think I quite like watching Ronnie O'Sullivan play snooker.

So I reckon you got at least two hours of being very comfortable in that low Asian like office.

And I just think that at a certain point of time, they're going to be like, is this guy having a good time?

And you're like, yeah, go on the rocket.

And they're going to be like, oh God, maybe let's just say 50 bucks and call it a day.

So you're trying to put yourself in the mind of an army officer on the border of of Thailand and Laos?

I don't know if they give two shits mate.

Do you reckon the money went straight in the pocket?

Yeah, I think it was bribe money.

But but my general perspective in a situation like that is I'm just going to rejig the mentality because they're like this guy's trapped in a room with us until he pays us.

I'm like you guys are trapped in a room with me as well.

There's mind games going on.

Yeah, because all all you've got, I'm ordering a stamp on eBay and saying we'll see what credit goes for.

Will I get the stamp or are you going to give it to me, you know?

Because the stamps on eBay are down sight cheaper than what you're trying to charge me.

Let me just put myself in James's flip flops for a second.

I think I probably would have done what he did.

I might have even folded at the 70 U.S.

dollars because I I don't like going across borders and not being able to meet the criteria or provide documentation or anything like that.

It's happened to to me on a couple of occasions.

There was one time actually when I was crossing from Russia into China.

And bearing in mind I've just spent a month in Russia, it wasn't the I didn't have any problems along the way apart from the very first day, but that's a different story for a different day.

They actually held up a bus that I was on for 45 minutes before we even got into the sort of no man's land in between Russia and China.

The Russian authorities weren't happy with my passport and I'm sure I've told that in a previous episode, but it was amazing.

The whole bus was of 60 of us on this bus and they wouldn't let me through because they didn't, they didn't believe that my British passport was real, even though I sort of thought thinking to myself, your counterparts at the other end in Moscow, they let me in the country with this so.

Yeah.

What was what did they suppose that maybe happened?

That you'd you'd checked in on a different passport and then acquired a sort of fake one?

No, because the stamps in there, the entry stamp was in there.

Yeah, but you can buy one of those on eBay.

Me.

I'm starting to think that I'm on the Russian side.

No, no, I I stood with them at one of their Boo things.

The desk.

Well, they had three people looking at a computer screen and they were genuinely Googling photos of British passports.

That's quite cool, isn't it?

I was like, look, it's that one.

That one matches mine.

It's the that doesn't look like you.

Now there's a different person.

Bad time for you for ChatGPT here to hallucinate and make a bright pink sort of like cosmic looking passport.

This doesn't like what touchy BT says at all, Seth.

Yeah, our poor old James, though I, I don't envy him.

I'm not surprised that he just forked out the money.

Half an hour, I don't know if half an hour in that environment feels like a a couple of days.

You don't want to lose any time when you're doing insight and stuff.

If I'm one of those six of the people he's travelling with, I'm going back with him in solidarity.

Yes, yeah.

I mean a.

100%.

I like that about you.

I like it a lot.

Because I'd be frustrated that I was missing the snooker as well.

I just hope there was a chance that the game was being shown on the other side.

Although actually, to be fair to the Thai border control and the Laotian border control, that's I bet they love it when things like that happen because I'm not saying that they're the sorts of people that that Gen.

generally or often will kind of they they might welcome a bribe.

Why not?

But but when something happens when when it's like a very a genuine error.

Do you know what I mean?

Like he doesn't have an entry stamp.

That's a real issue.

So they said, well, I'm sorry, it's 70 bucks.

I'm sorry.

What?

What do you want me to do?

It's your fault.

Yeah, if I had a sovereign state, I would make the signage for the exit stamp very confusing indeed.

I would put like a labyrinth before the stamp and be like, OK guys, time to get your exit stamp.

Or you can just get on the boat and trance your arm but might have to come back.

Yeah.

Do you reckon the England shirt actually has done him a disservice there?

He's seen him.

You know this white guy, white guy with his backpack on, He's wearing an England shirt and they've looked him up and down and gone 70 bucks.

Yeah, if you go and check out Wing Unit Travel podcast on Instagram, you might notice that James Hammond, the host, doesn't particularly pass for Lao Asian.

I think that might have been a disservice to him as he tried to traverse the border.

But he has got some amazing stories.

We do listen to to his show on the regs.

It is great.

Go and check it out.

It's slightly different format, lots of interviews and this sort of stuff with very interesting people.

He's a great host and yeah, we, we hope you go and check his stuff out as well.

There's even an episode way back when, when we first started podcasting, where I'm in Scotland talking stories about riding my bike and travelling around the world.

So that'd be exciting.

Go and check that one out.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

I loved that episode, actually.

It's long, wasn't it Really long, Yeah.

Good podcast, like the host.

All right, well, thanks very much for sending it in.

If you've got a great travel story, just three minutes, great travel story.

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