During our summer break, we are re-airing some of our favorite episodes.

In this live conversation recorded at Duke University, the indomitable Liz Gilbert (of EAT, PRAY, LOVE fame) joins Kate for a discussion about the courage to create. Listen as Liz helps us expose our exhausting American need to make everything useful and lets us embrace beauty as a way of really living.

In this episode, Kate and Liz discuss: 

• Why we stop ourselves from being creative 
• How we are all capable of making anything (badly! medium-well!) 
• But how our creativity is best if it is for no reason whatsoever (not for impact or legacy or money or acknowledgement) 
• How curiosity quiets fear and control

CW: some spicy adult language

Watch clips from this conversation, read the full transcript, and access discussion questions by clicking here or visiting katebowler.com/podcasts.

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