[SPEAKER_02]: It's just between us, say.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's just between us, say.

[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome back just between us.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm Allison Raskin, I'm a writer, relationship coach, and no longer going to be hosting this podcast.

[SPEAKER_03]: Hey, I'm Gabe Dunn.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm a writer by Con by sexual icon, wink, and I too will no longer be hosting this specific podcast.

[SPEAKER_03]: However, you're not going to get ready to be just yet.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I will still exist as well, but this is the final episode of the Just Between Us Podcast as you know, love and tolerate.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, uh, Allison's uh, we've been gearing up to say this, Allison's leaving, and gearing up, we announced it, we've been announcing it for weeks, but they don't know that this is the last one, okay.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, we did say in the last episode last week that there's only [SPEAKER_00]: and i guess it is going to be called the final episode so yeah but i really like to think about it that this podcast is ending because you keep saying i'm leaving i'd say no this podcast is ending and then you're launching a new podcast that's different yes yes yes i just don't want them to think that i'm uh that like the patreon's going away [SPEAKER_03]: right.

[SPEAKER_00]: Patreon is not going away.

[SPEAKER_00]: Please continue subscribing for Gabe content and backlog content and look I'm going to get a percentage of it so I really hope you stay there.

[SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.

[SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.

[SPEAKER_03]: Please stay on board so Allison can get a percentage for her baby.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so I can have passive income for once.

[SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.

[SPEAKER_03]: And please stay to gear up for Best Game Ever, which is gonna be my spin-off, sort of like a Fraser to this cheers.

[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, interesting.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Let's hope it's not a Joey to friends.

[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, yeah, that's true.

[SPEAKER_03]: Or I hope it's Laverne and Shirley to a happy days.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yes, what about Better Call Saul to Breaking Bad?

[SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.

[SPEAKER_03]: Critically claimed.

[SPEAKER_00]: Get acclaimed.

[SPEAKER_00]: That feels like the vibe.

[SPEAKER_00]: But get less serious.

[SPEAKER_00]: Uh-huh.

[SPEAKER_03]: And more zany.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_03]: It'll be.

[SPEAKER_03]: TLDRI will still exist.

[SPEAKER_03]: Every beginning will pay homage to Allison.

[SPEAKER_03]: How?

[SPEAKER_03]: We'll just when it starts.

[SPEAKER_03]: We'll say thank you Allison for our daily bread or whatever.

[SPEAKER_03]: and we'll never explain it and people will start listening to the show like and they'll be like why do they think Allison as if she's Jesus in the beginning and you're going to get full videos of every episode.

[SPEAKER_03]: Watch out.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yep.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well anyway this is for one more hour just between us if we're [SPEAKER_00]: ridiculous games and brutal honesty.

[SPEAKER_00]: So we're just doing a talking episode this week because you know, we got a lot to discuss.

[SPEAKER_00]: We got a lot to process and, you know, we're bringing it back.

[SPEAKER_00]: So Melissa, are you joining us for this talking episode?

[SPEAKER_00]: Where are you?

[SPEAKER_01]: I am.

[SPEAKER_01]: I just wanted this to be you guys.

[SPEAKER_00]: I like this part.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'll be back later.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'll be back later.

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, you're not, okay, she'll be back later.

[SPEAKER_00]: So we're gonna do some of the regular show segments.

[SPEAKER_00]: We're gonna do IQ, I wrote us some hypotheticals, and then the topic will really just be, you know, what the hell has this show been at How Have We All Teach?

[SPEAKER_03]: Wow, okay, heavy to start us off though.

[SPEAKER_00]: We've got to answer a listener's question, and you know what that means Hit it International question, international question, international question Cat and YC nice kitty kitty in the city kitty in the city kitty in the big old city [SPEAKER_00]: it's perfect.

[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't even think of that.

[SPEAKER_00]: Also, if you're like, oh my god, I can't believe I'm not going to get to hear Alice in singing international question anymore.

[SPEAKER_00]: If you pay me, I'll send you your own version.

[SPEAKER_00]: I should offer that a personalized version of IQ, where I just like, like, order a cameo of me, and I will sing international question [SPEAKER_03]: What a perfect ringtone.

[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[SPEAKER_00]: I am on Keviel, so really think about it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, do it, do it, do it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so Kat writes, TLDR.

[SPEAKER_00]: How do I reckon my desire for marriage with a loving partner who doesn't feel excited about it?

[SPEAKER_00]: And does this lack of excitement mean we're doomed?

[SPEAKER_00]: Dear Allison and Gabe, I've been following both of your works since your Buzzfeed days.

[SPEAKER_00]: And this is my first time actually submitting a question.

[SPEAKER_00]: You got it right under the wire.

[SPEAKER_00]: Right under the wire.

[SPEAKER_00]: First, I want to say that it has been such a joy to grow alongside you both.

[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like over the years you have created content at a pace that almost exactly matches where I've been at every step of maturity, always tackling important topics while maintaining a healthy dose of silliness in humor.

[SPEAKER_00]: I also want to shout out Melissa for producing such a consistently engaging show and adding [SPEAKER_00]: Hi, 33 female, I've been with my partner, 30 male, for seven years.

[SPEAKER_00]: We live together, take care of each other, make art together, co-parent a lizard.

[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.

[SPEAKER_00]: I know, honor one another's queerness, and despite the Evan flow of life stressors, are generally pretty darn happy.

[SPEAKER_00]: We communicate well, share a delightfully silly sense of humor, and just love each other a lot.

[SPEAKER_00]: Throughout our relationship, the subject of marriage has come up more and more.

[SPEAKER_00]: For a long time, I laughed off the questions from family, and oh we said we were in no rush in on our own path, especially since neither of us are interested in having kids.

[SPEAKER_00]: However, in the past few years, I've begun to really wonder why we aren't married.

[SPEAKER_00]: We discussed the subject of marriage more often within the past year or so, and it's brought up some hard truths.

[SPEAKER_00]: On the one hand, I feel like in so many ways we're already married.

[SPEAKER_00]: My partner is an adamantly against marriage, but it seems to be something he just doesn't picture himself doing.

[SPEAKER_00]: On the other hand, while the commitment and concept of marriage is admittedly scary to me, I feel excited about the prospect of embarking on that journey with the person I love more than anything.

[SPEAKER_00]: As I've gone older, many areas of my life have proved the adage if it's not a hell yes, it's a no.

[SPEAKER_00]: After seven years, it hurts his response is certainly not a hell yes.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm left feeling like he would let me end up being the person he spends the rest of his life with, but that he's not overtly choosing to make that the case.

[SPEAKER_00]: When I shared this feeling with him, he made a shift to make me feel more appreciated in the relationship, such as setting aside time and helping to plan day-downings.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's also be honest that he just doesn't feel ready or excited [SPEAKER_00]: I ultimately don't want to marry him if he's not excited about marrying me.

[SPEAKER_00]: How do I reckon with this desire?

[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like if it's something he's not able to give me.

[SPEAKER_00]: In so many ways he showed me his commitment over and over again in the course of our relationship.

[SPEAKER_00]: But for whatever reason, I'm still left feeling the need for more.

[SPEAKER_00]: And not only more, but for the desire for more to come from him as well.

[SPEAKER_00]: Should I be suppressing this desire and happy with the group relationship I do have?

[SPEAKER_00]: Or is that a recipe for resentment and disaster?

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm spiraling here, help.

[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for your time and reading.

[SPEAKER_00]: I really do find your collective advice to be so insightful and I would greatly appreciate any perspective you could provide here.

[SPEAKER_03]: I don't really know.

[SPEAKER_03]: I feel like this is your wheelhouse.

[SPEAKER_00]: You're just pat, you're like past.

[SPEAKER_00]: So this is very tricky.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think we need to get more curious about why he won't get married.

[SPEAKER_00]: And like what are his barriers and why he isn't interested in doing it.

[SPEAKER_00]: And if those barriers have anything to do with you or have to just do with the institution of marriage.

[SPEAKER_00]: because those are two different things, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: Saying I'm not ready, sort of implies like, but I would be ready at a certain point with someone else, or with you and like, versus like, I'm just not someone that wants to get married is a totally different situation.

[SPEAKER_03]: I can see how hurtful it would be to be like, let's get married and the other person's like, oh, it's so hard because I feel like it is like the, if it's not a hell, yes, it's a no.

[SPEAKER_03]: I feel like she's really spot on with that.

[SPEAKER_00]: See, I don't think that's true about marriage.

[SPEAKER_00]: really?

[SPEAKER_00]: I think a lot of people marriage isn't that important to them.

[SPEAKER_00]: They don't see the benefit of it.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's not something they ever really cared about, but it's important to their partner so they do it.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that that's fine.

[SPEAKER_00]: The question is like, why is that not on the table for him?

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, my, this is, I don't want to curse this relationship, never mind, but I feel like this is like so classic where like the guys as to the long term girl, like, oh, I'm not interested in getting married and then the minute they break up, he married someone like within a year, like I just feel like that's such a trope, um, but I, yeah, I think, I mean, I guess I would [SPEAKER_03]: want to know, is there other reasons why you want to get married?

[SPEAKER_03]: Is there like a tax benefit?

[SPEAKER_03]: Is it like you want someone to be your default for, you know, if you're in the hospital, do you want, like, I don't know.

[SPEAKER_03]: There's so many things that are easier if you're married, that is it just this like safety and practicality, right?

[SPEAKER_03]: Because you do seem to want to like do life together [SPEAKER_03]: But it's also like it's on paper, this person becomes the most important.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like you get to, I don't know, I was, you know, if something goes wrong, sometimes it's, it's holds more weight to be like, this is my wife for this is my husband.

[SPEAKER_03]: Whether or not that's real or not, I can see how that would become a beacon of safety for someone.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's a greater question, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: It is real, but that's because society is made it that way, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: Like society has put marriage above all of the relationships.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so it's like, well, if we're playing within the system, then I do get these benefits from being married.

[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, that's the reality we're living in right now that ever changed unclear.

[SPEAKER_00]: Is that necessarily the right reality to be living in?

[SPEAKER_00]: I would argue, no, but it is the way that society is structured.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so I think that, you know, I think it is worth getting way more curious about his reasoning and I also think this is something you guys should go to couples therapy about.

[SPEAKER_03]: Definitely.

[SPEAKER_03]: What's also like, is it because I feel like getting married is such an umbrella and you already do all the things that are.

[SPEAKER_03]: indicators of being married, but like, is it, you know, oh, a big wedding, I don't want a big wedding.

[SPEAKER_03]: Is it like, I don't believe in the institution?

[SPEAKER_03]: Is it like, well, is there some kind of middle ground where it's like, we could just go to city hall or what's the, yeah, you're like, you're saying, what's the actual objection?

[SPEAKER_03]: Is it that you don't want to wear a ring?

[SPEAKER_03]: Is that, because I think people think marriage has to look one way.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I even have friends who live together above all that, but they don't even, and they are married.

[SPEAKER_03]: They don't wear rings and they don't like that's not a thing that they don't say has been a wife and they don't It's not a thing.

[SPEAKER_03]: They just got married for them for their own selves and it's like not a thing I have a friend who's parents were not married and then when he was in the second grade [SPEAKER_03]: Some kid was making fun of him because his parents weren't married.

[SPEAKER_03]: So they just went to City Hall and got married real quick.

[SPEAKER_03]: And they were like, oh, yeah, sorry about that.

[SPEAKER_03]: I, yeah, that might be like weird with other kids.

[SPEAKER_03]: So don't, we'll just, yeah, no worries.

[SPEAKER_03]: I love that.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like it doesn't have to look a specific way.

[SPEAKER_00]: Right, and you know, I also think that I would push you on this idea of the hell, yes, or it's a hell, no thing like that he might come around to like, okay, if this is important to you, then I'll do it, but that doesn't that's not going to necessarily mean that he's like going to be like so jazz to get married if marriage isn't something that he values or cares about right I want to drag him down the aisle while he's frowning [SPEAKER_00]: Sure, but I mean, okay, but that is different than someone being like, hey, this isn't necessarily what I would choose for myself, but I recognize that this will bring you comfort and closeness and it will make us, you know, a more united team, and therefore let's do it.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's different than like, okay, fine, I'm going down the aisle, but I mean, that's it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, he might never come to value it the way that you do, but he might choose to do it because of how much he values you.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: I guess that's true.

[SPEAKER_03]: I guess I'm now realizing that I'm a little bit like.

[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, unless the person's like, I want to marry you, you're the best person ever.

[SPEAKER_03]: I never want to, that's like honestly that's like my own ego where I would need the person to be like actually like obsessed with me, but in a way that I that I like and it's very specific.

[SPEAKER_03]: So probably won't have it.

[SPEAKER_00]: But I think this is not something you should ignore because I think if you ignore it, it will, yeah, like breed resentment.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it will just like forever be this thing hanging over you.

[SPEAKER_00]: I would go to couples therapy if you're able to afford it at least for a few sessions and hatch this out.

[SPEAKER_00]: Find it therapist that will be like, hey, what is your, you know, what are these values?

[SPEAKER_00]: Why is there this difference?

[SPEAKER_00]: Have like that third party.

[SPEAKER_00]: Look, [SPEAKER_00]: Come to me.

[SPEAKER_03]: I eat with this right exactly sign up with Allison.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know, because it like, and maybe it will involve like some curiosity and deep questioning on his and that he hasn't actually done.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, right that maybe he doesn't really have full clarity about what his hesitation is towards marriage other than just like some feeling of like I don't need that.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's so hard, this is such a tough one because for me, in these relationships, I would go, well, I like how it's going and this is so great.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's like relationship OCD, like Emma was Emma Cazarian was talking about on another episode where it's like, what is this enough?

[SPEAKER_03]: Are other people more in love?

[SPEAKER_03]: Is this like, I feel like I would be doing that.

[SPEAKER_00]: And look if that's his reason for saying no, then that's bad, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: Like if his reason is like I'm just not sure about you I don't want to commit to you specifically that is very different than marriage as a concept as an institution is not appealing to me, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but you are my person and I'm intent on spending my life with you.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah [SPEAKER_00]: Well, thank you so, so much for submitting, you know, we will still be checking the email so you can totally give us an update.

[SPEAKER_00]: And we are, you know, so thankful for the past six years of people letting us into their lives.

[SPEAKER_00]: I hope our advice has been helpful.

[SPEAKER_00]: I hope we haven't ruined.

[SPEAKER_00]: Anybody's trajectory in any major way we should have we should have asked for follow-ups for the IQs have been like it did we help?

[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, well, do it let us know DM us and and maybe I'll read them on my new thing.

[SPEAKER_03]: We're over on your couch show you're still doing that right.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yes.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: Good idea.

[SPEAKER_03]: Thanks, Melissa.

[SPEAKER_00]: We're still doing the YouTube show.

[SPEAKER_00]: So we can always read those answers on there.

[SPEAKER_00]: Very curious.

[SPEAKER_00]: If we've been on the right track, often we disagree with each other.

[SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[SPEAKER_03]: So who was right?

[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe who was right more often?

[SPEAKER_00]: That would be great for us to know for our egos.

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, well, this might be the saddest part of the show all together because here's our final final round of hypotheticals.

[SPEAKER_01]: Tintin-tintin.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I gotta say, this kid and I've come at a better time because I'm out of ideas.

[SPEAKER_01]: And you've been saying that for years now.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then you still squeeze the juice.

[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.

[SPEAKER_00]: So, I'm, I'm dry, I'm bone dry over here.

[SPEAKER_00]: Each time it takes longer and longer as I prepped for an episode.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but let's just talk it up to pregnancy.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: I know I was thinking today I was like, kind of.

[SPEAKER_00]: I wonder how long I can use pregnancy braid as an excuse for things.

[SPEAKER_03]: At least the next three years.

[SPEAKER_03]: I was going to say three years.

[SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I like I just keep forgetting stuff.

[SPEAKER_00]: I just keep like, and I'm not convinced this pregnancy braid.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not convinced I wouldn't have done these things otherwise, but like what a wonderful excuse to have.

[SPEAKER_00]: really love it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it is time for hypotheticals, a game show where I present you with a variety of hypothetical situations.

[SPEAKER_00]: You can ask any clairvoyant questions you might have and then you tell me what you would do and sometimes they pick a winner and sometimes I just me under into the next one.

[SPEAKER_03]: Love it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Our first game is America's favorite game show, would you stay with this cheater?

[SPEAKER_00]: You find out that your partner of nine years has been choosing to share a room during business trips with a coworker, so they each get to take home extra money from their travel stipend.

[SPEAKER_00]: Nothing physical has happened, but they both sleep in the nude and shower in front of each other [SPEAKER_00]: Your partner does not sleep in the nude at home.

[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, bye.

[SPEAKER_03]: What did she stay with this, Tina?

[SPEAKER_03]: You're gonna sleep in the nude on hotel sheets?

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, bye.

[SPEAKER_01]: And in front of, oh, coworker, and you shower in front of each other, are they in one of those hotels?

[SPEAKER_01]: Cause a lot of hotels now are had.

[SPEAKER_01]: Clear.

[SPEAKER_01]: What the fuck is that?

[SPEAKER_01]: Shower set up.

[SPEAKER_01]: That stuff, fuck is that?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_01]: What are they doing?

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, how much money are they really saving with this type of thing?

[SPEAKER_01]: And is that going to buy fun jade dollars a trip?

[SPEAKER_03]: And do I get a gift?

[SPEAKER_00]: No.

[SPEAKER_00]: Some of the five hundred dollars goes into your share to count.

[SPEAKER_03]: No.

[SPEAKER_03]: Well, here's my question.

[SPEAKER_03]: Why didn't you tell me?

[SPEAKER_03]: And also, yeah, and also more importantly, what's up with those showers that are clear cubes?

[SPEAKER_03]: I was up with that.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's so weird.

[SPEAKER_03]: Also the bathroom is, so then you're like sharing with someone like Neemalisa at like your bachelor at party, and I'm just like expect a poop in front of her, like what are we doing?

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, if the shower is clear whatever, it's when it's the bathroom walls that are really believable.

[SPEAKER_00]: That that's really like what kind of wild person or what they have, like a desk set up in front of it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like it's what is specifically so you can look at.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's so funny.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's so funny.

[SPEAKER_01]: Weird.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's such a weird little, like, why?

[SPEAKER_01]: But how long have they been doing this?

[SPEAKER_00]: Even with them nine years and they've been doing this for three years.

[SPEAKER_00]: Why do they never bring it up?

[SPEAKER_00]: The reason they sleep in the nude is because their coworkers sleep to the nude and they thought they'd be embarrassed so they did it to make them feel more comfortable.

[SPEAKER_01]: No.

[SPEAKER_01]: No.

[SPEAKER_01]: No.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's so weird, bro.

[SPEAKER_01]: They want to sleep in the nude.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's their choice.

[SPEAKER_01]: You don't have to join.

[SPEAKER_01]: There are already comfortable being naked.

[SPEAKER_03]: I would say so many of your hypotheticals, Allison, are like people doing weird stuff to not deal with any social awkwardness.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like it's just, it's just like this most outrageous situation so that the person involved does not have to have one single moment of weirdness [SPEAKER_00]: But that's human life right think about like that's like one of my favorite lines from the girl with the dragon tattoo movie the American version where it like and it's probably in the book too, but like the bad guy was like you knew you should have come in my house, but you were too afraid of being in polite.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then he's gonna get, you knew it's gonna get in danger, but like I think that feels so much stuff I mean, that's like so much of Nathan for you, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: It's just like people not wanting to be rude and then then ending up with this kind of happened scenario But like even like [SPEAKER_01]: Using the example of, like, Bachelor at Ann year wedding.

[SPEAKER_01]: Gabe and I shared a hotel when we were at the wedding Alex was there too, but like, I don't sleep with clothes on at home, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: When we were in the hotel, I took my pants off.

[SPEAKER_01]: They never knew it, like, I didn't do it under the covers, but I still had a shirt on.

[SPEAKER_01]: But like, they're, if they want to sleep in the new, that's their choice, you don't have to join them.

[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm way too comfortable with certain people where I'm like, I'm just going to take my pants off.

[SPEAKER_03]: Is that okay?

[SPEAKER_00]: Are you wearing underwear?

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but if I'm like, I'm wearing underwear, but if I'm like at their house and we're getting cozy or like to watch a movie and I have jeans on, I'm like, can I just take these off?

[SPEAKER_00]: I think if you have underwear, that's different than if you didn't have underwear.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, true.

[SPEAKER_00]: Because it's kind of just like a bathing suit.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's like a bathing suit.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you're not sitting bare ass on somebody else's couch.

[SPEAKER_01]: No, and I would never But that's a down a towel Just like they do a nudist resort.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's a joke.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah [SPEAKER_01]: They do?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, everybody cares around a towel.

[SPEAKER_01]: And they're saying you're sitting on your towel.

[SPEAKER_00]: I did not know that that's so flooding.

[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so we're leaving our partner and we're moving on to are you a terrible parent?

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Your child ate has gotten into the habit of sleeping in your bed at night.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is ruining your life, but you don't have the heart to tell them that you don't want them to sleep next to you Because every morning they wake up and say, I love you so much.

[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for sharing my dreams.

[SPEAKER_00]: So to make it seem like it was their idea of going back to their own bed You start to pretend to have night terrors in the middle of the night [SPEAKER_00]: where you scream, don't let them bite you.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my God, don't let the teeth in.

[SPEAKER_00]: Are you a terrible parent?

[SPEAKER_00]: The teeth in the water.

[SPEAKER_00]: The teeth in the water.

[SPEAKER_00]: The teeth in the water.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's yours, kid.

[SPEAKER_01]: What part of your skin?

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, that's not there.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's not there from the dream.

[SPEAKER_01]: Who's tea?

[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I feel like, yeah, you're a terrible parent.

[SPEAKER_01]: There are other ways to go about doing this.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's hilarious, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: Honestly, I think it's hilarious.

[SPEAKER_01]: Is somebody told me that they did this?

[SPEAKER_01]: What I inside think that it was funny, yes, but what I also think they were a terrible parent, also yes, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it would be a better technique.

[SPEAKER_01]: To talk to them, saying you're getting older now, I think it's better for you to be in your own room.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you got to go.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm hot, you're sleeping under me.

[SPEAKER_01]: I can't be naked.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you got to get out of here.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you think that's better than them trying to sleep while you're screaming.

[SPEAKER_00]: Don't let the teeth in?

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_01]: Now they're like a freight, they're like, I have to stay in here, because I have to protect them.

[SPEAKER_03]: And oh, no, the teeth are real, it's like when the kid has to sleep in his room in the [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, it's about, you would like it else and it's about childhood mental illness.

[SPEAKER_00]: I would not like it.

[SPEAKER_00]: I know you would have liked it.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you would hate it.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so it's kind of like your point in getting them to go to their own room would be to convince them that it's safe to do so.

[SPEAKER_03]: Not that there's things to be scared of.

[SPEAKER_00]: Mm.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it could really backfire.

[SPEAKER_00]: And they'd step all night just to guard you from the...

Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[SPEAKER_03]: Or they don't want to go in their own room because they're scared the teeth are going to get them.

[SPEAKER_01]: So no, we got stick together since in their dreams, you're sharing it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, right.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, wow.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, get them out of there, but yeah, but yeah, but you know, could be a horror movie, you see come out independently in six to seven years if we get our act together.

[SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the teeth.

[SPEAKER_00]: Um, don't let the teeth in.

[SPEAKER_03]: Nightmare on Elm teeth.

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, our file game is this a date.

[SPEAKER_00]: It is your first day at a new job for a huge corporation with many different departments.

[SPEAKER_00]: After an all-hands meeting where you are briefly introduced everyone, a coworker comes up and offers to take you to lunch to help you learn the ropes.

[SPEAKER_00]: You find out there in a completely different department and would likely know nothing about what you do.

[SPEAKER_00]: Is this a date?

[SPEAKER_00]: Are they a man?

[SPEAKER_00]: Um, yes.

[SPEAKER_03]: are they are just straight and white.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, so they're just they have the done in crew group.

[SPEAKER_03]: In fact, where they think that they're very, very smart, but they're actually stupid.

[SPEAKER_01]: That was a smart, smart question, a very smart question.

[SPEAKER_03]: They have that you go to think that they're able to to help someone in a different department.

[SPEAKER_03]: But that's that's false.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, if Gabe hadn't asked that question, I would say it is a date that I would be okay with because usually I'm against dating in the workplace, but if you're in a different department, it's fine.

[SPEAKER_03]: But this I feel like is a show of dominance or something.

[SPEAKER_03]: Or it's just a guy who's an idiot and thinks he can like explain everything in the whole company.

[SPEAKER_00]: Or maybe he just really needs a friend, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe he's the most unliked person in the whole company.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you can see why.

[SPEAKER_00]: And he thinks I get to this person early, maybe I can finally have a friend.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's like a Gary on Parks and Rec that's super nice, but everybody hates him for no reason Yeah, you're Jerry.

[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, well, that's that's a kind of dope thing.

[SPEAKER_03]: That's the joke.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, no one knows They've been calling him Jerry for years, but his name's actually Gary.

[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, we found that out like season five Yeah [SPEAKER_01]: And then like when we meet his family, he's like Mary took was it Chrissy Brinkley?

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he married to like the hottest woman and he has gorgeous children.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, so good.

[SPEAKER_03]: And so well loved in his family.

[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, like that stuff.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, I do too.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it's one of my favorite tropes when like someone is just hated for no reason.

[SPEAKER_00]: And everyone's so mean to them, but like they don't like there's nothing wrong with you.

[SPEAKER_00]: And what she like, you wouldn't think would be one of my favorites, but it always hits or at least one person really hates them.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's very, that is funny.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I like when that person has a wonderful life and doesn't really notice.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, totally.

[SPEAKER_03]: I saw a, um, [SPEAKER_03]: a comic that was like a high school girl and she's autistic and this girl like bullies her and she doesn't realize that she's getting bullied.

[SPEAKER_03]: She keeps being like, wow, thank you for pointing that out, whatever.

[SPEAKER_03]: And then the final frame is there like in bed together because they're a couple in their older and the autistic one sits up and goes, wait a minute, you were bullying me and the other one goes, yeah, I was, go back to bed.

[SPEAKER_00]: But I also think there's a high chance that this is that this could be coming from a good place of okay I can't help you with your work that I can help you with company culture that's what I can help you that I can help you with the email system yeah like how this all works where lunch is All right fair enough fair enough.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's a fun chip.

[SPEAKER_00]: Or is it a [SPEAKER_00]: Well, once you go, they do kiss you.

[SPEAKER_00]: Grat!

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, four-head, four times, very gently.

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, that's not a day.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then they say, that's how we get acquainted here.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's it.

[SPEAKER_03]: You know, you're sitting on an opportunity with that, like...

You know, you say, if somebody comes at you so hard, they do that to everyone.

[SPEAKER_03]: I feel like this guy is the guy who like every new person that comes in, he tries to help them.

[SPEAKER_00]: Or he just tries to be the welcome committee.

[SPEAKER_00]: Neil, maybe he started a welcome committee that no one else knows about.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and what's that about?

[SPEAKER_01]: What department do they work in?

[SPEAKER_00]: They work in customer success, okay, what department do I work in?

[SPEAKER_00]: You work in marketing.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, they're a little bit tied together.

[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no, you don't know anything about that.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's not to say, but one's customer forward and one is behind the scenes.

[SPEAKER_03]: Customers success is like when you're like the the glad handing salesman.

[SPEAKER_00]: No, it's once you already have clients and you're making sure that they're happy and they stay with the company.

[SPEAKER_00]: You like by giving them stuff.

[SPEAKER_00]: just by being their point of reference and and like, you know, maybe maybe you'd upsell them on a new feature of the company, but you're their point person for the company.

[SPEAKER_03]: So you have to be kind of charming.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: So maybe he's customer's accessing me.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's trying to keep you at the company.

[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[SPEAKER_03]: That's his [SPEAKER_00]: the calls coming from inside the house.

[SPEAKER_00]: And marketing is a total, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: World win.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's fast-paced.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's, there's a lot of demands.

[SPEAKER_00]: You got to be creative.

[SPEAKER_00]: You got to be savvy.

[SPEAKER_00]: You got to be cutthrope.

[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.

[SPEAKER_00]: I see this.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_00]: Got it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Got it.

[SPEAKER_03]: Wow.

[SPEAKER_03]: I only know a customer's successes because that's what my experience is.

[SPEAKER_03]: I know.

[SPEAKER_03]: I knew that.

[SPEAKER_03]: Um, but I, uh, didn't know enough to, uh, I didn't really talk to that guy to be honest.

[SPEAKER_01]: I thought he, like, worked in finance or something.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_01]: Never met him.

[SPEAKER_01]: I made up a whole story about him.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he really did.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's true.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I don't even know who that guy was.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, so speaking of the journey of JBU, I think about I was like, what are some standout episodes and something I think about all the time is that he came on the show.

[SPEAKER_00]: After a week shortly after I looked.

[SPEAKER_03]: I don't remember this at all.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, it must have been, but it was like, it was pandemic.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so it wasn't like that.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it wasn't sure.

[SPEAKER_01]: I thought he came more close.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_00]: No, because maybe that was one of y'all.

[SPEAKER_00]: We were with Tamika and the studio for a bit before we moved.

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: I thought that was one of maybe it was one of y'all's exes or something.

[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, Dan.

[SPEAKER_01]: Dan likes our first recording.

[SPEAKER_00]: No, I made up again, making up stories.

[SPEAKER_00]: But he came on the podcast right after we got engaged and I remember he said stuff like yeah Like every step of the way it's just been easy to know the right decision and then later when he was leaving me He was like I've had doubts since before we got engaged.

[SPEAKER_00]: I wanted to be like, I have it on tape that you send me on the record [SPEAKER_00]: That's crazy, why?

[SPEAKER_00]: If you had doubts, then why propose?

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I don't think he really did.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was a story.

[SPEAKER_00]: He rewrote for himself to make it more palatable.

[SPEAKER_00]: What was happening?

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, shoot.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's- I mean, maybe he did, but then why would he say the exact opposite on the podcast?

[SPEAKER_03]: Just seem like a good guy.

[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_03]: People are liars.

[SPEAKER_03]: What are you going to do?

[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, speaking of you absolutely calling my break up, that's why I said, on the record, I was referencing that.

[SPEAKER_00]: For me, well, I, there was a time where I thought it was going to work out.

[SPEAKER_01]: I never did.

[SPEAKER_00]: Melissa was better about that.

[SPEAKER_01]: You never did there, you know, no, but remember when Gabe, they were going on that on the road trip and I literally asked in the room because Gabe was like, I think I'm going to get engaged and then I asked you do you want to get engaged and you said no.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, you still have some messages and I was like, I'm engaged and I was like, woo, I meant, I was like, I mean, I also kind of chatted about it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Because you went to the bathroom.

[SPEAKER_01]: So we were taught, like, we were giving each other books.

[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_02]: I said, no.

[SPEAKER_03]: Because we were going to meet, we were going to meet their new niece.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I didn't want to like take away the focus.

[SPEAKER_03]: But I also think secretly in my mind, it was maybe a no anyway, you know what I mean, but yeah, what other favorite episodes have you guys had.

[SPEAKER_01]: I will say, okay, so I've talked about this a little bit before, but like I watch J.B.

You, the channel, and I really like to all skits and stuff.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I was really excited, and I tried to be the Allison's friend.

[SPEAKER_01]: We all know that, um, I was really excited when, um, [SPEAKER_01]: The company that asked me to Produce temporarily for the show.

[SPEAKER_01]: I was really excited to get to know y'all But I was very nervous Like yeah, so I was extremely nervous the first recording like I was scared I was gonna mess shit up.

[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't know and this is also like [SPEAKER_01]: y'all were fighting and I could fill the tension, but I didn't know what was happening and I was like, are they like this?

[SPEAKER_01]: This is just what they are off camera.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like it's all lie.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's totally different people.

[SPEAKER_01]: But you weren't like individually y'all were who I thought you were, but then like together when the microphone was off, I was like, what is going on here?

[SPEAKER_01]: Like there's something fills off here.

[SPEAKER_01]: And it was and it was and it was and then I was really sad when because they wanted that company wanted me to come work full time for them.

[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, I have my own company.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'll know that.

[SPEAKER_01]: And they uh [SPEAKER_01]: Also, they asked me numerous times to come work for them.

[SPEAKER_01]: Not just at that time.

[SPEAKER_01]: Flattering.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was flattering, but also.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, no.

[SPEAKER_01]: But I also wanted to think that I do remember too, is that we were talking about this in the last episode about Allison's handwriting.

[SPEAKER_01]: And, um, one time I picked up your papers because we used to like print everything off and then, like, Allison was always writing and I thought that the handwriting was gay.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, personality-wise, that's your handwriting, that's gay more.

[SPEAKER_01]: I know that sounds weird, but I thought it was games and I said something.

[SPEAKER_01]: You're like, no, that's my paper.

[SPEAKER_01]: It was just funny to me.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I was saying people are surprised by my handwriting for a shirt.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's really bad.

[SPEAKER_03]: But you know what, maybe that's kind of a sign of a genius, right?

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, because doctors have terrible handwriting.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, terrible handwriting.

[SPEAKER_03]: My handwriting's luxurious.

[SPEAKER_01]: I know, that's what it was, it was a swap room.

[SPEAKER_03]: But I write in like a weird mix of cur, like some letters are cursive, some letters are not cursive, [SPEAKER_03]: like random what letters are what, but it's always cute.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: But our certain letters, always cursive, and certain letters, always not, or you just switched up, okay.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't know why I've chosen this.

[SPEAKER_00]: We had that handwriting expert on once.

[SPEAKER_03]: That was fun.

[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, I have to go back and listen.

[SPEAKER_03]: I want to listen to that one, and I also want to re-list into the pet psychic.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh gosh, that one really sticks out in my head too, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: That was so funny.

[SPEAKER_00]: Every single one we're like the person did something for us like red our or us did the handwriting the pet thing At the moment the show was over.

[SPEAKER_00]: I would forget every single thing they said.

[SPEAKER_01]: I know thank God.

[SPEAKER_01]: It was recorded I would do the pets like it said that sugar was your on I didn't know that I didn't you were so upset about that.

[SPEAKER_00]: I was upset about that for years.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, you were like There's no world in which she's not my daughter.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was deeply upsetting that sugar didn't view me as her maternal figure.

[SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: And that she was like, I remember saying she was like very worried about your anxiety.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, she said that she wanted me to calm down and that like she found my anxiety like disgusting and off put it.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: And then also the horoscope, the star sign one I really liked because totally forgot that because I suspected you were your moon and rising were Capricorn and Virgo and they were so I found vindicated.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but I mean, that's almost some of the things like when I think back on like our most memorable episodes, I don't think about any in like the last year or two.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that that's why it felt like that the time has come.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like I when I do like think about like, like I, and I've mentioned this in a different episode, but you know, just like, I don't feel like where we're like the show is like growing or is like even maintaining it feels like [SPEAKER_00]: Do you want this thing we've done for a really long time and yeah, it's kind of repetitive.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the podcast and landscaping has changed significantly since when the show started.

[SPEAKER_01]: And like even for my business, I podcasting is not the main thing that I mean, [SPEAKER_01]: It used to not be the main thing it didn't turn into the main thing into after like the pain during the pandemic But like I've significant at the pandemic at one point.

[SPEAKER_01]: I had like 15 shows now.

[SPEAKER_01]: I have my show and then this and then games other show and right it's When it was too much too.

[SPEAKER_01]: It just like it's just everything is different everything is completely different What like how do you define the difference?

[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of the companies don't exist anymore.

[SPEAKER_01]: The company that we were originally, that the show was originally yet, does not exist anymore.

[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[SPEAKER_01]: The money, the way that shows make money is completely different.

[SPEAKER_01]: The audience, the way that people consume is different.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, now it's even like, in the beginning, having video was very frown on.

[SPEAKER_01]: And now like, video is the norm.

[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[SPEAKER_01]: And even YouTube is going to get into dynamic insertion, which I feel like they're very behind on, but they are going to get into it within next year.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I love dynamic insertion.

[SPEAKER_00]: Isn't that what YouTube kind of already does with their ads?

[SPEAKER_00]: But you mean like the pot, like you sold it through as a podcast and then specifically as a podcast, you'll be able to put [SPEAKER_01]: the ad to that you have on the podcast, onto that, onto YouTube, and then it will count towards your views.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that'll be great.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's great.

[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Because I will say I'm continuing starter marriage, right, at least through our contract.

[SPEAKER_00]: So we had a 45 episode contract, and I think that'll take us like through May.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then see if it gets picked up.

[SPEAKER_00]: But I, you know, it may be part of it was also like doing a new show and being like, oh, like I have more stuff to say here or like there is like, um, like when I'm writing an interest, it's just like, what is your interest?

[SPEAKER_03]: Like when I changed that with money to be more political, it's just based on what you find exciting to work on.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, me and Megan just completely revamped our shows too, right.

[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, I think also like having the advice part is like again like I've said we answered so many it's hard to find something that like you just haven't touched on and yeah and then also with the show being I think part of the limitation of the show is how much we record ahead of time so we can't ever be it and we can't ever be topical.

[SPEAKER_01]: Just funny because now we are very close to like now we're like two weeks out.

[SPEAKER_00]: So it's not right now it is top of the goal.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean it's not from now.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's a month.

[SPEAKER_01]: They used to be like two or three months away.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: But even a month you can't do it.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, you know, you can't talk about things that like, especially with like both gave in my being so interested in politics.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, I couldn't talk about it because things just changed so rapidly.

[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, we could have just kept going with animal episodes and just run through the entire animal kingdom.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, bats stands out for me.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's one about bats was amazing.

[SPEAKER_01]: What was cool about the bats one is that the day if it believers is the day that we recorded, which none of I nobody clocked into after I saw it, it was actually national bat day that day.

[SPEAKER_01]: Really?

[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, I remember that.

[SPEAKER_03]: Randomly.

[SPEAKER_00]: Um, yeah, but like interview is like, you know, very interesting.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like I said, I think that this is the show where like I discovered my love of interviewing.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's like something I have carried on in like my books and my other projects and things like that.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like I feel like I've become a better interviewer through through all these six years.

[SPEAKER_03]: I feel like I've become better at advice over the last six years and knowing when I'm being silly goose.

[SPEAKER_03]: And admitting when I'm being silly goose and not feeling like I have to double down or stand behind everything I say.

[SPEAKER_03]: Then I can just be like, oh, that's a good point.

[SPEAKER_03]: I changed my mind.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's also like one of the huge trajectories of the show is that J.B.

you start as a fake advice show, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: I know.

[SPEAKER_00]: We were purposefully giving like horrible advice in the early days of YouTube.

[SPEAKER_03]: And a lot of the questions were fake.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: This is like from like third the third episode, but one of my favorite things that you've ever done is you were like international question, Dave, the Staples Center.

[SPEAKER_03]: I still think that's so funny.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he lived in the Staples Center.

[SPEAKER_03]: I just I was so tickled and like literally 10 years later, I'm like Dallas hilarious.

[SPEAKER_01]: Now he's at Crypto.com.

[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.

[SPEAKER_03]: I appreciate you, Allison, for all the work you've done on this.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I appreciate the commitment to giving real advice from a place of like academic and studied and, you know, from your own learning.

[SPEAKER_03]: because it's like sharing that for essentially free, and you went to school and everything.

[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, I just think, I'm glad we kept doing it.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm glad we became friends again.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm glad to where you've ended up where you're married and you have this degree and you're having a baby.

[SPEAKER_03]: So that's all.

[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I think it's probably gonna be funny if I ever listen back to the ones before I started school.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think the kind of advice I would give before I had a master since I come right right or even episodes where we were you we were that you were still figuring out dating Mm-hmm.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, um, and Melissa, I'm I'm I'm grateful for your wisdom [SPEAKER_03]: and for when you do want to go chaotic with me and and for sticking with the show, but yeah, I just to appreciate and all the back end stuff that you take care of.

[SPEAKER_03]: You're so welcome.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we would have been able to keep going without you navigating us towards independent, not casting.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I feel like this whole thing has been just like a collaboration like how to be flexible and adapt and not like be stuck in like a thing that is no longer working, which was a helpful tool because we're all like entrepreneurs and having to adjust all the time.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I want to say to our audience, we expected backlash from going to Patreon and there really wasn't any and that is such a testament to you guys and to how amazing you are and how much you care about us and CSS people and not like money machines.

[SPEAKER_03]: And how much you've been open to like ads from us from the very beginning because you understand that we're people and just yeah, the commitment to under trusting us with what we want to do.

[SPEAKER_00]: and like not having unfair expectations of us, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: That's like so not entitled.

[SPEAKER_00]: I know, it's amazing.

[SPEAKER_00]: I always think about whenever we've had like a book event or an event afterwards, the event staff, so it's like, your fans are incredible.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's just so nice.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I'd like, we, they really are.

[SPEAKER_00]: We really have the best base, they're like possible.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, they're so nice, they're so thoughtful.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like, and, you know, I've seen other creators, [SPEAKER_03]: have really big problems with their fan bases and I'm so lucky that we don't have that.

[SPEAKER_00]: And look what, you know, this is just like one part of the all the things we do, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: So we're going to still be on YouTube, Gabe and I both will have our substax.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'll have a starter marriage, Gabe has a thousand natural shocks and also [SPEAKER_00]: best ever and so like we're not going anywhere.

[SPEAKER_00]: We're just continuing to evolve and not feel like the pressure that like if we, you know, a big decision for me was like, oh, but like, why be less relevant?

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, will I lose this connection to people?

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, like, can I handle this financial hit?

[SPEAKER_00]: But sometimes you have to [SPEAKER_00]: practice what you preach, which is like if you feel like something's the right decision for you, even if there's a lot of fear there, and even if there are reasons that you could talk yourself out of it, that you kind of have to like honor what feels right.

[SPEAKER_03]: I cannot take the financial hit.

[SPEAKER_03]: So please continue to subscribe to this show because I would love to keep living.

[SPEAKER_00]: So if you could take, well, that makes it seem like I threw you under the pot.

[SPEAKER_03]: No, no, no, no, no, you didn't at all.

[SPEAKER_03]: I also felt the same way as you.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm excited to start like a new kind of lighter, not a lighter show, but like a less of a heavy lift and more just kind of like, hey guys, everything is hard.

[SPEAKER_03]: Let's just be silly, goose all the time.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, I want to thank the listeners for being very welcoming to me and I love you and you guys for letting me be part of the show [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's like weird to think there were times when you weren't to be honest, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: I know.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, what are you talking at?

[SPEAKER_01]: When you went, you didn't do that episode when you were like, when it was funny to look back, I didn't realize how early into the show that I became like a part of like, as far as like producing the show.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and then just like it was it was great to come back because not only like when it like we like sort of kept up with each other on like social media and stuff But then when they came back we all actually like became real friends and so That has been my favorite part about being part of the show is like gaining two new friends I mean, it's been a while now, but yeah Now you're stuck with us [SPEAKER_01]: That's true, forever.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's easier for me to get rid of Allison now.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm like it, you see her.

[SPEAKER_01]: That won't be seeing you on time.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, enjoy your needle's alone.

[SPEAKER_01]: You're still stuck with me, Gabe, on this and on the that's the best Gabe to ever and a thousand actual shots.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, maybe I still have to hang out with me.

[SPEAKER_01]: Of course.

[SPEAKER_03]: Of course.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'll see how I feel.

[SPEAKER_01]: You're still good, you're still attached to.

[SPEAKER_01]: We all still have a business together.

[SPEAKER_03]: I know, and I, and I, I gotta see that baby.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: What do we rate this entire show?

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god.

[SPEAKER_00]: 2019 to 2025.

[SPEAKER_03]: I rate it 1,200 out of 1,100.

[SPEAKER_03]: The fourth episode where we fought in front of Kelsey Dera.

[SPEAKER_01]: I missed that one.

[SPEAKER_01]: Was that on Mike?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, [SPEAKER_03]: That's not even how it goes.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's like give us our daily bread.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but I was like, thank you for our daily bread.

[SPEAKER_03]: That's as much as you're gonna get from the Jew.

[SPEAKER_03]: Ha ha ha.

[SPEAKER_00]: I will rate it 324 out of 14.

[SPEAKER_00]: I would stay even if you too cheated.

[SPEAKER_00]: Ha ha ha.

[SPEAKER_00]: Ha ha ha.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's so sweet.

[UNKNOWN]: Ha ha.

[SPEAKER_00]: Ha ha.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, thank you all so much for listening.

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Monster and Diamond M.

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