[SPEAKER_01]: welcome back to too long did read it everyone's absolute favorite they can't stop breathing about it it's it's taking the street by storm show about read it simple keep it simple I went top heavy this time okay I like it [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, flex and flex and different muscles.

[SPEAKER_00]: There's, you know, we gotta have variety.

[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.

[SPEAKER_01]: So this is deeply hurtful.

[SPEAKER_01]: I will share.

[SPEAKER_01]: It has to do with my other podcast starter marriage where someone commented on a YouTube video that they already didn't like that I sing a little song for marriage moments and that now that we discuss my song, each episode that's even worse for them.

[SPEAKER_02]: Then go away and don't come in.

[SPEAKER_02]: Skip it.

[SPEAKER_02]: Why not just skip it?

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I just, I really cut me to the core that someone doesn't like my little socks.

[SPEAKER_00]: Why do you have to announce that?

[SPEAKER_00]: Just skip that part.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't like the cold open to behind the bastards.

[SPEAKER_00]: I just skip it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Wow, I thought you were about to say something you didn't like about starter marriage, but no.

[SPEAKER_00]: You don't listen, so that would be too hard.

[SPEAKER_00]: I listened to my episode.

[SPEAKER_00]: I thought I seemed kind of cool actually.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you came off great.

[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, wow, this is a cool guy I seemed calm [SPEAKER_01]: Um, okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I guess let's dive in, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, what the hell?

[SPEAKER_01]: Let's just go hard core from the beginning, which is, which is the subreddit, just no family.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I believe this is the subreddit about family that you just say no to, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yes.

[SPEAKER_01]: Family that sucks.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, be right.

[SPEAKER_01]: The time my sister's mother-in-law tried to force me to dance [SPEAKER_01]: Back when my just-no-sister was planning her wedding, her even more just-no mother-in-law wanted to be involved.

[SPEAKER_01]: Unfortunately for everyone involved, she wanted her family traditions involved.

[SPEAKER_01]: No.

[SPEAKER_01]: The food?

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, the giant-lined dance?

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, but then she sprang the big one on my poor mother.

[SPEAKER_01]: It was apparently a tradition of her family that unmarried older daughters have to do a dance in a pig trough at the reception.

[SPEAKER_01]: Just no sister and just no brother-in-law thought that would be hilarious.

[SPEAKER_01]: Being I was the only unmarried older sister, haha, haha, so funny.

[SPEAKER_01]: my poor just yes mom was getting torn down by just no mother-in-law because it was just a joke that was repeated and insisted on on every single phone call and trying to protect me from that bullshit but finally I saw her crying and she told me what was going on would you even pick that out of a million like chances like I would you [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, they just want you to dance in a picture of a funny, like, I simply would not.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm glad you came to your mom's cry.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like, why are you crying?

[SPEAKER_00]: And then I would just be like, I don't even, wow.

[SPEAKER_00]: OK.

[SPEAKER_01]: Note here that I was only a short time out of a very abusive relationship, and I had no more fucks to give.

[SPEAKER_01]: My fucks had run its dry as the song goes.

[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't have a shiny spine so much as one made of a control rod from a nuclear reactor.

[SPEAKER_00]: Hell, yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't remember how to say no yet, but I didn't remember how to say I'm taking you all down with me.

[SPEAKER_01]: I told just no mother-in-law that I'd be happy to do that dance in front of her entire family, naked, and only naked.

[SPEAKER_00]: Call their bluff, call their bluff.

[SPEAKER_01]: Sadly, it wasn't so funny anymore, eventually they all shut up about it, but that was the last time just no mother-in-law ever spoke to me.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's been 12 years, by the way, I can now say no, but my [SPEAKER_01]: That's so wild.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I hate, I hate, like, let's just a joke.

[SPEAKER_01]: No, it's just a joke.

[SPEAKER_00]: Make it funny, then.

[SPEAKER_00]: Before I, like, people hide behind that shit so much.

[SPEAKER_00]: I love that response.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's just a joke.

[SPEAKER_00]: Be funny, then.

[SPEAKER_00]: Damn, ice cold, baby.

[SPEAKER_00]: Ice cold.

[SPEAKER_00]: Wait, the mom bought a skin colored leotard for photo shoot purposes just in case.

[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.

[SPEAKER_00]: Who did?

[SPEAKER_00]: The mom, the mom to help was like, if you do it, here's this newly-a-tart.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's so good.

[SPEAKER_00]: I hate everything about it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, ugh.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: What, like, would it be filled with food or poop?

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, what?

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, actually know what goes in a trough.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I guess they could do it, but like they eat everything.

[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, yeah, yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: They're not eating their own poop, though, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe they are.

[SPEAKER_00]: Do pigs eat poop?

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they're in the mud all day.

[SPEAKER_00]: I love pigs.

[SPEAKER_01]: Then you should be more familiar with their diet.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they eat their own poop.

[SPEAKER_02]: But they do it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: I was going to say, I don't think that they...

[SPEAKER_02]: They don't disturb English between pigs.

[SPEAKER_02]: This makes me think of something on modern family.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, campsfam would do this.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: I would be like, can I have a pig with me because they're so cute and smart?

[SPEAKER_00]: I thought the pig will be there.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, the pig's not part of it.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's my first question.

[SPEAKER_00]: I go, hey, okay, that sounds great.

[SPEAKER_00]: Are the pigs part of it?

[SPEAKER_01]: I assume there'd be no pigs and just a trough.

[SPEAKER_02]: I have so many pigs.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think I would think it was all the pigs that are usually there.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, they're going to take all the pigs out.

[SPEAKER_02]: How big is this trough?

[SPEAKER_01]: Do you eat pig?

[SPEAKER_01]: Game?

[SPEAKER_00]: No.

[SPEAKER_00]: I always kind of didn't because of kosher stuff, but now it's followed this pig on Instagram, [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like I really, I really have to put my money where my mouth is so to speak.

[SPEAKER_00]: He, he talks with buttons.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's all scam.

[SPEAKER_01]: It probably is.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's all animals talking with buttons as a scam.

[SPEAKER_00]: Did I tell you what this animal communicator said to me about it?

[SPEAKER_00]: I was serious, I was interviewing this animal communicator person, like a real one, not like a psychic.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I said, oh my God, can you ask about those dogs that talk with buttons?

[SPEAKER_00]: Sirius was like, you know, we've taught dogs how to communicate with us.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I'll never forget this.

[SPEAKER_00]: The person said, dogs do communicate with us.

[SPEAKER_00]: We're just forcing them to speak our language because we don't want to learn there.

[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like we talked about this before.

[SPEAKER_02]: You told me this before.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, go.

[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe or one of the animal people that have been on the show also said so.

[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, this is why we are, this is, this is the colonizer mindset speak my language.

[SPEAKER_00]: We don't have to speak yours.

[SPEAKER_00]: Dogs are already talking to us.

[SPEAKER_00]: We're just not listening.

[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like Phantom is just primarily confused.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like he's so desperate to understand, but doesn't really get it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Doesn't kind of get what I'm doing, what I'm up to.

[SPEAKER_02]: But he's weak.

[SPEAKER_02]: He's got neurological issues though, right, though.

[SPEAKER_02]: So maybe that's why he's so cute.

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, he has nerve pain, but I don't do that.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think that interferes with his cognition.

[SPEAKER_02]: It might cause he's like in pain, but now he's not.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's on steroids now and on a new routine and he has it been in pain in weeks.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: Good.

[SPEAKER_01]: But he has had multiple bouts of bloody diarrhea.

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_00]: Bad.

[SPEAKER_01]: So it's a given to take.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's a given to take.

[SPEAKER_00]: Also they shaved his face and he looks insane.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, now he looks very cute.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's grown into it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was great to watch to babysit.

[SPEAKER_00]: Sugar barely knew she was there and Phantom and Beans were getting along.

[SPEAKER_00]: I've never seen Beans more.

[SPEAKER_00]: When Phantom and Sugar were here, Beans was so chill.

[SPEAKER_01]: He was like, oh, he's more chill in normal.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he was just like super chill.

[SPEAKER_00]: It seemed like he didn't bother me.

[SPEAKER_00]: He wasn't like obsessed with me.

[SPEAKER_00]: He just hung out next to Phantom or whatever.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, oh, he's just like bored and lonely.

[SPEAKER_00]: He wants to go to the friend.

[SPEAKER_00]: I can't get a second dog, I really can't.

[SPEAKER_00]: The three of them were just like chill.

[SPEAKER_00]: Phantom was the only one that I was like trying to get him to eat his pill and he was fighting me.

[SPEAKER_00]: But it was like mostly very calm.

[SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was going to be crazy with three dogs.

[SPEAKER_01]: now my dogs are really chill.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so it made beans be chill too.

[SPEAKER_01]: But when you watch them Melissa you were surprised that sugar was kind of affectionate.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah sugar really wanted like to be underneath me the whole time.

[SPEAKER_02]: Not my experience.

[SPEAKER_01]: Wow, interesting.

[SPEAKER_01]: So sugar really prefers Melissa to get.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but Phantom, Phantom likes me.

[SPEAKER_01]: Did Phantom want to be with you, too, Melissa?

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.

[SPEAKER_00]: OK.

What the fuck?

[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is bullshit.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I really want to get your take on this next one game.

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: So this is from the subreddit ethical non-monogamy.

[SPEAKER_01]: Uh-huh.

[SPEAKER_01]: After seven years of poly, the most important lesson I learned, I don't like dating other people, and that's okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: Nice.

[SPEAKER_01]: I have a partner of seven years that is dating multiple people.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't.

[SPEAKER_01]: I just don't have the energy for it.

[SPEAKER_01]: At first, I tried dating, creating multiple relations, et cetera, but the honest truth is I wasn't really present for these people.

[SPEAKER_01]: And if I can't show up for these people and the amount that matters and make them feel loved, that's just insulting to them.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's okay to not have the same dating energy as your partner.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's okay to not be dating anyone when your partner is dating five people at the same time.

[SPEAKER_01]: You have your own boundaries that doesn't make you a lesser person.

[SPEAKER_00]: Definitely, and as long as they're meeting your needs, that's the big thing that I have encountered with this situation is like that if they're neglecting you, or if they're not meeting your needs or not able to hear your needs, [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's hard.

[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, I've had great experiences with poly and with non-monogamy, but sometimes people are just selfish, which I guess is true in any relationship, but yeah, I don't know.

[SPEAKER_00]: There's been, there's a lot of room for people to act a certain way and then blame it on.

[SPEAKER_00]: non-monogamy, or something, and they just get really defensive about it as an identity, so when they aren't dating someone and you are, they're like, but that's still my identity.

[SPEAKER_00]: In my experience, hasn't worked for me, but I've seen other relationships where one person dates the other person doesn't, and it's like fine.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.

[SPEAKER_00]: And like that's great, but for some reason, I don't attract people who are sane, so [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I wonder if it's somewhat similar to like an introvert dating an extrovert, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: Like that, like maybe your partner like goes out with friends way more than you do, but you don't really care.

[SPEAKER_01]: And this is sort of just like a larger extension of that that they go out and like date other people too, but you don't really care.

[SPEAKER_01]: We'll have the energy for that.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean a lot sometimes I would really I would like it because I would just be like great I'm at home.

[SPEAKER_00]: I can watch my little show I don't have to really care what you're up to.

[SPEAKER_00]: When I was dating someone who had a lot of energy I liked that when they would go date other people because of then I could like have a moment [SPEAKER_00]: But I don't know, I think people are not very self-aware.

[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, I hope that this person is getting their needs a met.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I feel like there's a lot of people who just lately I've been like, oh, they're not self-aware.

[SPEAKER_00]: And they use, like, poly to continue not being self-aware.

[SPEAKER_00]: In what way?

[SPEAKER_00]: let's say that you have a primary partner and you start dating someone else and you're not meeting your primary partners needs.

[SPEAKER_00]: Then you start saying anything other than you're not meeting their needs or that you like the other person maybe a little bit more right now or you have new relationship energy or whatever it is they'll say anything but that they'll just be like, [SPEAKER_00]: You know, you're insecure or just you're you're just because you're not dating anyone right now Like they can use it against you in a way.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's like a weird weapon and that's like I My experiences of that have been like oh this person has no idea about themselves and why they do the things they do Or they're just good that manipulating I do think some people think that [SPEAKER_00]: They can't be in this kind of mixed situation and you definitely can, as long as you're sort of like, and it, for me, it did give me in that situation, or in the, when I dated the person with a lot of energy, it like let me not have to be the focus of that energy all the time, so I don't know, I feel very, like, you know, more malleable about, uh, [SPEAKER_00]: Not that I would ever want to be monogamous, but just like a little bit more like yeah cool if it happens but ultimately whatever.

[SPEAKER_00]: What do you mean like if I had a primary partner, if I met someone who I was really attracted to or if I was like out on the town wanting to make out, but I don't think I would like go on hinge and look for second person.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, I've noticed that that's like some people and stuff like that like that the necessity of the non-monogamy feels less intense like as they get older or as they evolve in those certain way or looking for like a more long-term partner like there's more flexibility around like what would feel like satisfying.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think I could date someone who was strictly monogamous.

[SPEAKER_00]: But you know, or at least if they had like mostly been poly in the past, like someone who just has some ability to not scream at me when someone who is a friend for a long time buys me a drink at a bar, you know, just kind of that sort of that sort of not insane jealous energy.

[SPEAKER_01]: But you could be in a monogamous relationship without they're being jealous energy.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, that's true.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think I have to be really careful.

[SPEAKER_00]: I have to be careful about jealous energy, anonymous or polyamorous, and I have to be careful about, I think I just have to be careful about people who don't understand why they do or need the things they do.

[SPEAKER_00]: They have a very strong idea of themselves that isn't correct.

[SPEAKER_00]: So it'd be like, oh, I'm solo poly.

[SPEAKER_00]: And this is just like what I'm like.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, or are you avoiding?

[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.

[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.

[SPEAKER_00]: Less patience, I think.

[SPEAKER_00]: I have less patience.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, maybe less tolerance for bad behavior.

[SPEAKER_00]: Less tolerance, less tolerance.

[SPEAKER_00]: For sure.

[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but I actually think you can like totally be in a monogamous relationship, but they're like not being like any jealousy and like quite a bit of flexibility while there's just like, you know, a line of not like being physically intimate with other people.

[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I can't get into the whole thing right now because I don't know who listens to this, but yeah, I think there's like a just an element of people not.

[SPEAKER_00]: knowing why they're feeling the way they're feeling, so just kind of blaming it on the other partner, not understanding polyamorous.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but that's a different issue.

[SPEAKER_00]: Different issue, yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: But I think this type of thing could work, and you don't have to feel weird about it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: All right, let's head over to off my chest, which packs an oomph because the heading is just, my kids are complete idiots.

[SPEAKER_00]: Perfect, perfect.

[SPEAKER_01]: I 46 female have traveled all around the world since I was a teenager.

[SPEAKER_01]: I always booked and paid for my own travel.

[SPEAKER_01]: Found amazing deals, got to airports on time, have everything I needed to travel and was able to navigate through foreign cities with relative ease.

[SPEAKER_01]: My kids, though, 28 male and 17 female, are total dumbasses.

[SPEAKER_01]: They can't book their own travel even though I've told them the best sites.

[SPEAKER_01]: If they do try, they end up spending four times what they needed to.

[SPEAKER_01]: My son has missed countless flights over the years, not only does he not get to the airport on time, but he'll decide on a one-hour layover to leave, take a taxi to a store, and then obviously miss the next leg.

[SPEAKER_01]: He also has simply forgotten to bring his passport on trips to other countries.

[SPEAKER_01]: My daughter had a flight today alone.

[SPEAKER_01]: In a recent flight we took together she forgot her driver's license.

[SPEAKER_01]: Luckily mommy had brought her passport so she was able to fly but today's flight she was alone with a layover in a major airport.

[SPEAKER_01]: So what does she forget this time?

[SPEAKER_01]: Her phone.

[SPEAKER_01]: That has boarding passes and it's the tool used to find people at their destination.

[SPEAKER_01]: Why are my kids so stupid?

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think they're stupid.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think they have ADHD that you're not addressing.

[SPEAKER_02]: Or like, you've given them the websites, but you haven't sat down and talked them through how to properly use the website.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, everyone in the comments is kind of blaming the mom.

[SPEAKER_01]: The first comment is, I mean, you raise them.

[SPEAKER_01]: You tell us.

[SPEAKER_01]: And like the idea that like they're not independent because they had no reason to be independent.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they have suffered consequences.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like she has let them suffer consequences and they still don't learn.

[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the 17-year-old I'm gonna give more grace to the 28-year-old they've had time, but like the 17-year-old still a child help them.

[SPEAKER_01]: Totally.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like I feel like at 17, I wasn't like equipped to be like super traveling on my own without like major anxiety around it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think, like, also people are saying that they're not teaching critical thinking skills.

[SPEAKER_02]: To kids, you know, I watch.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I also just saw this article that California will now be teaching how to read phonetically.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, when did this stop?

[SPEAKER_02]: That's how I learned for me.

[SPEAKER_02]: And then they were saying that it was more just like Bill and stuff things into their brain and I'm like well obviously that isn't working Let's get back to the basics.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think they right like they changed the way kids were talking for a while and it's like have horrible repercussions.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they're just like they'll absorb it.

[SPEAKER_01]: But I also just like basically sad to have this kind of vitriol towards your children.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_00]: or like set them up with a travel agent something travel agents are free it's also she seems did not be understanding that she's like a family member suggested my son might subconsciously hate flying and my daughter has flat out repeatedly said she doesn't like to travel and she'd rather be home so you're pushing your interests on them.

[SPEAKER_00]: They don't even like this have you ever asked them what they do like and seen if they focus on that.

[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this is one of those you thought you were the hero of the story and you're really the villain.

[SPEAKER_00]: You're you're saying you love to travel.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think people can focus when it's something they like.

[SPEAKER_01]: I like have um, so much travel anxiety.

[SPEAKER_01]: But I guess maybe that's the difference because they don't think about it enough.

[SPEAKER_00]: And you're thinking about it too much.

[SPEAKER_01]: You've had it way too much.

[SPEAKER_01]: I know I say to John I was like, [SPEAKER_01]: Honestly, the thing that I most stressed out about is having to pack my bag for the hospital for when I have the baby and he was like, and I was like, isn't that weird?

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, why have all the things that I just like the most stressed out about packing a hospital bag?

[SPEAKER_01]: And he was like, because packing is so stressful to you.

[SPEAKER_02]: But I feel like that's a comment occurrence.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like people do get stressed out about that bag.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but like it's so silly.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's like not the horrible Uber that I will have to endure or keeping the newborn alive.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's immediate, it's something you can control as opposed to other things you don't know how they're gonna go.

[SPEAKER_01]: Right, like I can mess this up.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then it's just like on me if I messed it up, I guess.

[SPEAKER_01]: And also honestly, like, the labor feels like, I don't have to like think about it too much.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like it'll just sort of like happen and I have a dual-lun, like, you know, like I don't like have to like plan too much.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like any of this stuff that's like, oh, I have to like really think this through.

[SPEAKER_01]: I have a lot of avoidance around me.

[SPEAKER_00]: That makes sense to me.

[SPEAKER_00]: Also, I think it's kind of funny sometimes when people like think about packing for something important.

[SPEAKER_00]: And they're like, I don't know.

[SPEAKER_00]: Am I going to maybe I'm going to need this?

[SPEAKER_00]: And then it's just like a bathing suit.

[SPEAKER_00]: And you're like, why did I pack that?

[SPEAKER_00]: Water birth.

[SPEAKER_00]: Who knows?

[SPEAKER_00]: Water birth.

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, this is Tails from the Front Desk, which I love.

[SPEAKER_00]: Just witnessed a divorce right in front of me at the front desk.

[SPEAKER_00]: So this guy comes to check in early.

[SPEAKER_00]: The first line he says is this is the third hotel he will stay at in two days.

[SPEAKER_00]: Since he was kicked out from the previous two for picking a fight, he is drinking a can of beer.

[SPEAKER_00]: After making the payment, he says his wife is crazy and that they came on vacation together but they went their separate ways.

[SPEAKER_00]: Ten minutes later, the wife comes in and finds him at reception still chatting with me.

[SPEAKER_00]: She starts screaming at him, calling him all kinds of bad words and how he betrayed her, how disgusting of a person he is, etc.

[SPEAKER_00]: Apparently, he cheated on her every single day before they boarded the flight with a different woman every time and he also cheated while on vacation.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's what the wife said and she has all the footage from their home security cameras as evidence.

[SPEAKER_00]: She starts showing the videos on her phone while describing them.

[SPEAKER_00]: Here you are fucking this one on our bed.

[SPEAKER_00]: Here you and your friend are both receiving oral on our couch.

[SPEAKER_00]: Here you are entertaining two women the day before our flight.

[SPEAKER_00]: I did not see the videos myself but I could hear the audio and it's definitely sex sounds [SPEAKER_00]: he denies it all claiming she's crazy.

[SPEAKER_00]: She needs to be hospitalized.

[SPEAKER_00]: She's high.

[SPEAKER_00]: The whole time his argument was babe your high or you crazy you need help.

[SPEAKER_00]: He claims he was alone the whole time and the sounds are the TV.

[SPEAKER_00]: He keeps circling back to your crazy you need help.

[SPEAKER_00]: The woman tells me this is it.

[SPEAKER_00]: We're done.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm asking for a divorce.

[SPEAKER_00]: Now it makes sense why we haven't had sex in months.

[SPEAKER_00]: And you barely even touch me.

[SPEAKER_00]: Now everything makes sense.

[SPEAKER_00]: You're a filthy bastard.

[SPEAKER_00]: I witnessed it all right here at the front desk.

[SPEAKER_00]: They're going back home and getting a divorce.

[SPEAKER_00]: He is still denying everything.

[SPEAKER_00]: He is staying at our hotel.

[SPEAKER_00]: And she is taking a plane today to go back home.

[SPEAKER_00]: They are still fighting in the lobby as I post this.

[SPEAKER_00]: Wow, witnessing divorce was not on my bingo cards for being a front desk manager.

[SPEAKER_00]: Someone says they've been kicked out of multiple hotels for fighting, then nope, you can't stay here.

[SPEAKER_01]: I know, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, when you hear that, you're not like, like, let me book you a room.

[SPEAKER_00]: Right?

[SPEAKER_00]: And also just walking in with a can of beer is wild.

[SPEAKER_01]: Ah, I don't know.

[SPEAKER_01]: This is one of those that seems so crazy.

[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like it's made up, but maybe it's not.

[SPEAKER_00]: The guy keeps adding details.

[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, because you can't ever do that when you lie.

[SPEAKER_00]: You're right.

[SPEAKER_00]: And ultimately, you are right.

[SPEAKER_00]: And ultimately, that is right.

[SPEAKER_00]: But someone's saying, how can someone this like fucked up and whatever have so many women?

[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know if you've heard Hunter about people think Hunter Biden is sexy.

[SPEAKER_00]: He is hot.

[SPEAKER_00]: What is going on there?

[SPEAKER_00]: He is in love a trash bag.

[SPEAKER_00]: I do love a trash bag.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, wow.

[SPEAKER_02]: Physically looking at him, he is a hot man.

[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's wild to me that he hooked up with his dead brothers.

[SPEAKER_01]: Why?

[SPEAKER_02]: Why are you feeling that way?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's bananas.

[SPEAKER_01]: Something I didn't realize until like rather recently.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: People used to do that all the time though.

[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[SPEAKER_02]: One brother dies in the war.

[SPEAKER_02]: The other one takes their wife.

[SPEAKER_02]: that was in the Bible.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's not even that not even that far back like recent history.

[SPEAKER_01]: But then he got her like addicted to meth or he got her like also no I don't know that part.

[SPEAKER_01]: God her like on drugs that she'd never been on before.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if she got addicted but like she like did like serious drugs that she had never done before as a result of being with him.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's kind of what happens when you date an addict, you know, like that's kind of a reasonable, but also she's grieving.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_00]: Damn.

[SPEAKER_00]: I guess he has some sort of charm.

[SPEAKER_00]: Have you watched this interview?

[SPEAKER_00]: He is very charming.

[SPEAKER_00]: He was charming, man.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like I have like a crush on just like from physically looking at and I don't know how I would feel if he had different political views, but Zoran is so hot.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he is.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, he's super.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's so hot.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't if I just saw him on the street, I would think he was gorgeous.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Wow, definitely turn heads for that man.

[SPEAKER_00]: I fell down a rabbit hole of watching videos of him even from like before.

[SPEAKER_00]: He was running for mayor and I was like this is the world when he was wrapping.

[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I thought it was very attractive.

[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, okay, damn.

[SPEAKER_00]: I just me cut to me Googling is he married as if I have a chance.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's also just so nice to see a politician talk like a person.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, right that like they're like funny and charming and like they're like having a conversation as if they like engage in the world Is a human rather than a robot.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I know it goes a long way [SPEAKER_00]: I had a very interesting conversation with Uber driver, Lyft driver, I was leaving a city hall.

[SPEAKER_00]: I was gonna go home, but then I changed because I was headed to and what ended up being an insane ice raid.

[SPEAKER_00]: The guy I was talking to, he's like, where are you coming from?

[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like city council.

[SPEAKER_00]: And he was like, oh, are they, what's like happening there?

[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, what do you mean?

[SPEAKER_00]: And he was like, are they just sort of making decisions for the city, young guy?

[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, yes, I mean, it was like, [SPEAKER_00]: Now what do you think and then he started asking he said oh, I'm Latino and he was like the police Like he was saying like the police could say the same thing about you guys that you say about them And I was like sure, but we can't arrest anyone like and also We don't have what same things like that that we're violent that we're bothering them And I was like yeah, but they have guns and batons and we don't and he was like, okay, and then he was saying [SPEAKER_00]: Like, well, Obama deported a lot of people and I was like, bro, I don't like that either.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't care about Obama.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't care.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then he was like, kind of like, oh, like, he was like, why wasn't anyone protesting, you know, during other presidencies?

[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, sweet angel, we were.

[SPEAKER_00]: I, I was protesting the Iraq war.

[SPEAKER_00]: We, we were doing that.

[SPEAKER_00]: And he's like, oh, because he thought it was completely partisan that it was just us loving the Democrats and hating the Republicans.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, babe, I don't like any of it.

[SPEAKER_00]: And he was like, oh, okay, like suddenly it clicked for him.

[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, wow, and then he's like, where are you going now?

[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, two and a night.

[SPEAKER_00]: But I think I, I think I got him thinking.

[SPEAKER_01]: I hope so.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: Sounds like it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, anyway, it was came back to people being like, you know, saying, oh, they weren't.

[SPEAKER_00]: There wasn't anything that we thought was good at the time that it ended up being bad.

[SPEAKER_00]: Definitely there was, but people can also, like, I think I've changed a lot in terms of, I was protesting that kind of thing, but I was still like deeply involved in, like, all the Israel stuff in my community.

[SPEAKER_00]: You can't be too haughty about what you were protesting to the detriment of what you still hadn't grown, you know?

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's, I think, that's issue with like some people on the left is like that people who like, you're not allowed to change your beliefs.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like if you ever have to have beliefs that you're punished and like take like in trash and like not a safe person and it's like, no, people freaking evolve.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: people have bad takes and then it's actually kind of more impressive to have gone from having a bad take to realizing you were wrong and emitting it and changing your mind, then to just have, you know, grown up in a beautiful liberal bubble where you've never even had to question these things.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: For more on that, read John Substack.

[SPEAKER_01]: But I really think that's like a huge mistake that we're make all the time is like oh, you've said this thing 10 years ago, fuck you It's like, yeah, it was 10 years ago.

[SPEAKER_00]: No worry, and they changed.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, even recently it's so interesting when I first went down [SPEAKER_00]: to the detention center.

[SPEAKER_00]: I had a bit of like a weird like, like, because there was so much repalicine stuff that I at first was like, am I gonna be welcome here?

[SPEAKER_00]: Even though it's unrelated to like any, but I just had a moment of like, oh, am I gonna be welcome?

[SPEAKER_00]: And then I was like, [SPEAKER_01]: It says here Jewish.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I like had a moment where I was like all the propaganda suddenly was like when I was seeing it I was like wait and then immediately I was like, okay, this is fine, but I have the bad thought and then I, I think I've like spending more time around those activists have like really come to like see the connection to everything and like tie everything together and.

[SPEAKER_00]: change basically entirely.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't totally know what you mean about tying it all together, but oh like the Imperial Boomerang like figuring out that everything that they were doing in Gaza was building up plans for what they want to do in the U.S.

That you know they were doing all of this like back in Vietnam.

[SPEAKER_00]: They would test all of these things that they wanted to do to the U.S.

in order to control everybody and to like bring fascism.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then once they see it working or not working there, they bring it back here.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I think like suppressing all the Palestinian protesters was like the first test and we failed.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I don't, I'm not...

[SPEAKER_01]: as well-versed that greater conspiracy that you just mentioned but I do think that one of the biggest mistakes we made was suppressing the Palestinian protests because it made it so like suppressing protests was normal exactly and it's like much harder to like to stand up and be like no you can't suppress protests that we like exactly exactly exactly I think that was such a huge failing just like a moral failing but also just a strategic failing exactly on the democratic [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.

[SPEAKER_00]: And if you want my conspiracy, it's not conspiracy if you want to look up the Imperial Boomerang.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's very interesting.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is from r slash ask us.

[SPEAKER_00]: shockingly closed-minded people and strict parenting in the U.S.

Hello there, I'll start with a little bit of context.

[SPEAKER_00]: I bet Talian living in Sicily since I was born.

[SPEAKER_00]: I have some close relatives who live in New Jersey, which are my uncle and aunt and their sons and nephews.

[SPEAKER_00]: They are second-third generation Italians for both sides of the family.

[SPEAKER_00]: This summer they came to visit us in Sicily.

[SPEAKER_00]: So my cousins have three sons, ages between 16 and 12.

[SPEAKER_00]: They are really religious Catholic.

[SPEAKER_00]: I managed to know them for the first time this summer and I'm completely shocked at how strict and controlling they are with their kids.

[SPEAKER_00]: The kids can't even joke or talk about whatever they want unless they talk about topics they may like with a language they approve.

[SPEAKER_00]: When their behavior gets too much for their parents, they actually shout so loudly and shamelessly in front of everyone.

[SPEAKER_00]: I tried to joke a little bit with the kids, but in the meantime, I'm always indirectly checked by the parents.

[SPEAKER_00]: One day, one of the kids got terribly shouted out just because he heard his hand when someone closed the car's door.

[SPEAKER_00]: Talking with them, I also found out their homophobic is llama phobic, they hate all Hispanics living in the US and they voted for Trump.

[SPEAKER_00]: I wonder if it's normal for people in that area with a similar context to behave like this, and parenting in this way, which I found terrible.

[SPEAKER_00]: I was born and raised in one of the most close-minded areas of Italy, and I've never seen something like this.

[SPEAKER_00]: I wonder how that could happen in countries like the US.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then some people are saying, we're not all like that.

[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, that like this is kind of an issue.

[SPEAKER_00]: You've painted a caricature of non-black Jersey Philly people, it's persons at Ha Ha, yes.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think what of the biggest failings is like, it can't happen here.

[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, oh, it would have happened in America and it's like, we are not insoluble like we're like, yeah, everything bad happens here.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, people when I hear people like this isn't us.

[SPEAKER_02]: This isn't what we're built on.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it literally is what we're built on.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's exactly what this country is built on.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's interesting to this person said it's a shame those kids are so bright and they're casting them as soldiers with not able to have their own ideas.

[SPEAKER_00]: That stuck out to me because I'm like, right, we want little automotons, that's why we base everything on the workweek, we make it seem like a great idea to go into the military, it's all just like conformity.

[SPEAKER_01]: And there's no barrier to become a parent.

[SPEAKER_01]: oh yeah like horrible people become parents and like there's no you know like it's it doesn't like suddenly turn you into a good person or like a regulated person or like a reasonable person it just gives you power over these like other human beings in a way that is rather terrifying.

[SPEAKER_00]: Uh-huh.

[SPEAKER_00]: Someone was saying here, it's either you parent like the way that your parents did because you think it was good or you want a parent exactly opposite.

[SPEAKER_00]: And that could also be not that great.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's a schmorgas sport.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think there are things sometimes people want to keep and sometimes things people don't want to.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's like two black and white.

[SPEAKER_00]: One thing that I was worried about was, like, oh, I'm gonna have kids.

[SPEAKER_00]: Am I gonna desperately want to be a different way?

[SPEAKER_00]: And then not be able to control it.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I would worry about.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think the self-awareness is where we differ.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then you can apologize to your kids, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: I think like, that's a big thing.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like you're gonna have moments where you maybe don't behave perfectly, but you can take ownership of that and apologize.

[SPEAKER_00]: True, true.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, who's turned for Reddit or not?

[SPEAKER_00]: Gabe.

[SPEAKER_00]: Is there a subreddit for reading your future based on your Chinese year animal?

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you're the dragon or whatever?

[SPEAKER_00]: I would think so.

[SPEAKER_00]: Right, but is there a subreddit that's like, let me read your future based on this?

[SPEAKER_00]: Like astrology, but for Chinese year.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, I'm you're the dragon.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's a good one.

[SPEAKER_00]: You're a year of the snake, Allison.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's what I thought.

[SPEAKER_00]: Did you know that?

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you said dragon and I thought, oh, I thought I was dragon and I was like, oh, maybe I'm snake.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then you said snake.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: I knew I was scaly.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they really did scale in, in, in, in, uh, a few in order, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, there's a lot of different subreddits, but I'm not, oh, nope, there it is.

[SPEAKER_02]: Free Chinese astrology reading.

[SPEAKER_02]: In this country.

[SPEAKER_00]: Nope, got it.

[SPEAKER_01]: All right, fair enough.

[SPEAKER_01]: Minus points for you.

[SPEAKER_01]: I've instituted minus points.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, thank you all so much for listening.

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