[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, there's communal trauma and hyper vigilance.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, there's disingenuous right wing ghouls dismissing and censoring all criticism of Israel and the pretext of quote fighting anti-Semitism, but there's also a valid fear for of historical anti-Semitism patterns recurring.

[SPEAKER_01]: And that fear gives power to the right wing Zionist claim that only Israel can keep Jews safe.

[SPEAKER_00]: So let's count out of that.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's right.

[SPEAKER_01]: So let's give it more power.

[SPEAKER_01]: Let's, yeah, yeah, let's reinforce that fear for a mall sites.

[SPEAKER_01]: Let's all of us together decide that yes, the people who are doing the genocide are the ones who are allowed to set the parameters of the debate and set the parameters of language and they're allowed to basically be the arbiters of what you can and cannot say because of this.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's a smart idea.

[SPEAKER_01]: Truly and brave, very brave.

[SPEAKER_01]: And stunning.

[SPEAKER_01]: Does this mean Israel should not be criticized in sanction?

[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely not.

[SPEAKER_01]: But it's...

[SPEAKER_01]: but it's something I don't want to do that but on the soundboard yeah but it's something I don't want to risk contributing to if not outweighed by tangible benefits okay if you don't find the benefits tangible then you need to do a better job tanging yeah yeah tangy more unbelievable [SPEAKER_01]: Like the idea.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's like the tangible benefits of fucking speaking out against a goddamn genocide.

[SPEAKER_01]: What art?

[SPEAKER_01]: Like let's flip that for a second.

[SPEAKER_01]: What could be the bad thing about not saying anything about a genocide?

[SPEAKER_01]: What is it?

[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like the tangible cost is much worse than whatever, you know, miniscule amount of benefit you think is there.

[SPEAKER_01]: Any amount of benefit is outweighed, or is completely ways more than [SPEAKER_01]: the cow-tiling to the fears of anti-Semitism that are, as you very much say, helping keep this like Zionist right wing claim that only Israel can protect Jews.

[SPEAKER_01]: You are doing it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Besides which any championship team is going to have intangibles.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_00]: So this demand for like, well, what were the actual, show me the results?

[SPEAKER_00]: No.

[SPEAKER_00]: It benefits the heart, it benefits the soul, it benefits the mind and I'll be twisted up in fucking knots.

[SPEAKER_00]: It benefits [SPEAKER_00]: the air quality of our discourse to not be filled with the fucking gas, the poison gas that emanates from silence.

[SPEAKER_00]: And the lies that justify that silence.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_00]: Fuck you.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Fuck you.

[SPEAKER_01]: As end of every slide, fuck you has been recurring mantra.

[SPEAKER_00]: Natalie is emotionally damaged, YouTubely.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, a hundred percent, a hundred percent.

[SPEAKER_01]: for bitterness.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I thought that was going to be a bitterness.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I didn't detect it until now.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I couldn't tell that there was bitterness, you know, just from reading the first few slides in which you are literally justifying silence during a genocide because you hate the online left with mad at you.

[SPEAKER_01]: They didn't like when they talked to the Clinton.

[SPEAKER_01]: So therefore, I'm not going to say shit when kids die.

[SPEAKER_01]: Much of the online left spent all of twenty twenty four single mindedly focused on Palestine.

[SPEAKER_00]: They just kept talking about genocide and monomaniacal horror at refugee camp tense.

[SPEAKER_00]: going up in flames and people being incinerated and babies being decapitated and delimbed.

[SPEAKER_01]: But we're genocide.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's just putting lipstick on and going, why are you so obsessed with that?

[SPEAKER_01]: I think I'm sorry.

[SPEAKER_01]: God, it's all you fucking talk about is me me me.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I'm the problem.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, oh my god.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and the complicity of the Democratic politicians and sending eight to Israel.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, you know, it was twenty twenty four.

[SPEAKER_01]: The president was the Democrat.

[SPEAKER_01]: This campaign had the following effects.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, a colon.

[SPEAKER_01]: Zero, Palestinian lives were saved.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, very, I love that when they're just like, yeah, everyone died still.

[SPEAKER_01]: as if you have like access to a parallel universe portal as opposed to the contrapoint silence humanitarian yeah yeah in which same amount of fouls things were killed I went through the portal and turns out whether you say something or not same amount of policy inside so I'm gonna save myself but grief [SPEAKER_01]: Fuck you fucking coward.

[SPEAKER_01]: Not one fewer bomb or bullet was fired by the IDF.

[SPEAKER_00]: We don't know that.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, which I'm certain you have like, you know, a lot of supporting evidence for.

[SPEAKER_01]: It may have slightly contributed to the reelection of Trump guaranteeing that the U.S.

[SPEAKER_01]: will put no diplomatic pressure on Netanyahu for at least four years and being protest against Israel both much riskier and less effective like it less effective than what?

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, less effective than doing nothing then do nothing no diplomatic pressure on Netanyahu for at least four years [SPEAKER_00]: Where were you the last four years?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the previous diplomatic pressure was what?

[SPEAKER_01]: When they would go into microphone and say, we're doing the best we can.

[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, the last, yeah, the turn on pressure, the Biden administration put on Netanyahu was the pressure of a happy ending massage.

[SPEAKER_01]: Right, exactly.

[SPEAKER_01]: Fucking, the pressure.

[SPEAKER_01]: But also just like, like, suck a thousand dicks if you're just gonna sit here going like, you know, [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, now you've made protesting and speaking out against Israel much riskier.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's funny for you to say that when it was apparently risky enough for you that you didn't say anything during the fucking Biden presidency.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like you, you can't talk about these protests as being risky if you didn't join one.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like you give a shit about protesting against Israel.

[SPEAKER_01]: You clearly don't.

[SPEAKER_01]: All the dirt, but there are some high rate against it.