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But man, I appreciate your kind of kicking with your boy on a Friday afternoon as eight goes out and does his shows and have his fun, I said, you know, we gotta trained the episode this week, so I'm gonna hit my homegirl, South Carolina anytime.

Did you consider yourself a geechee?

Absolutely, definitely a geechee Charleston, South Carolina.

YA had to get my homegirl.

You know, when my son was getting recruited for football, he almost went to South Carol line.

I liked this school a lot.

USC YEP, game Cocks go, game Cocks.

Yeah.

He wound up going to the real USC, or the University of Southern California.

Not the real USC shade University of Southern California.

But no, I had a really good time over there.

In that city has a lot of like history.

Yeah, Columbia.

Uh, you know, Charleston used to be the capital of South Carolina, but you know, at some point it switched over to Columbia.

So that's the capital of South Carolina.

But it's that city is dead, like through politics, they have killed black business in Columbia, South Carolina.

So it's still a college town.

But niggas used to get it in in Columbia like my time, like when we were in.

College and the shit it just used to be super lit.

Was it a lot of racism down there?

Uh, it's probably a lot of you know, covert racism, you know what I'm saying, Like South.

Carolina, just like everywhere else in the country.

Yeah, so niggas get tricked out, they spot real quick if they don't learn the science of business.

But even when you do, they gonna come do a fed sweep and everybody going to jail for doing the same shit our white counterparts do.

Yeah, for sure, he used to be I know, back in the day, he used to be a lot of dope that ran through those southern towns like Charles down from Miami and now all that that's how you get all those rich brothers down there to start a record labels later on.

Yeah, like Charleston is a port city, you know what I'm saying, So like Miami, New Orleans, Baltimore, everything coming through the ports, ye down you might have nothing.

Yeah, it was a lot of money.

There was a lot of money coming through there.

You know.

Me and you was having some conversations off here, right, And I always like to talk about mental health.

I don't think we as black men, I don't think we talk about mental health a lot.

I think we got a lot of trauma going on, you know.

M I got to think about stuff sometimes that happened to me when I was younger.

I'd be like, damn man, I really kept that repressed, and somebody will bring it up, you know, and you get to talking about different things.

Why do you think black men got a hard such a hard time?

You know what black women?

I think black women have easier time to expressing themselfs.

I mean because we're women, right, So you know a lot of things that they associate with being a bitch, right, like expressing yourself.

Women women do those things.

I don't think a man is a bitch if he were to express himself or tell people exactly how he's feeling.

I just think that I don't know, it's just we not the same, right.

So men are taught to be hard, and it's a lot of times it's not coming from women telling men to be this way.

It's from other men.

That's why I don't subscribe to the uh.

You know, a lot of times people try to say like men can't be vulnerable with women, like you can't tell you woman shit because women use.

It against you.

What I have found is that me and people use it against people.

It's not just women, because I don't think I've ever been with a man who don't use my vulnerabilities against me in the midst of an argument.

Right.

I believe that women oftentimes know they're a man better than anybody knows them.

But they put the mask phone what they put the mask on for the homeboys, but we get the real you, you know.

So I think when people to be vulnerable doesn't make you weak.

Right, So if you can't talk to your friends, your family, your woman, you gotta find somebody to talk to to work your shit out, because we all dealing with trauma.

I think that women just we the gods.

Man.

I don't care how y'all feel about it.

So we gotta fix it.

Because a nation is only as strong as it's women.

So we gotta be together.

We gotta be okay.

For those that cut on like just here, it was the case of Chronicles podcast, you didn't tune in by mistake and this is my homegirl AJ for the week talk back podcast on Black Effect on Black Effect with us.

You know you've known charlmgne a long time?

Huh yeah, a long time, A very long time.

Just I was in high school when I met him and his now wife, you know they were together.

I met them, Shit, two thousand and I don't know one, maybe twenty two.

No, I'm tripping, yeah, like two thousand, like two thousand and.

You're still in high school.

Yep, that's crazy.

Charlamagne.

People always ask me, hi's Charlemagne?

I say, he just a regular dude.

I say he's not really like Red Bay.

He's a regular dude.

Yeah.

Charlemagne is a very good person, you know what I'm saying, Like, he is very considerate.

He puts people on you know what I'm saying, Like we're talking about King shit, Yes, that's him.

Yeah, we've been friends for a very very long time.

We essentially family, and we probably related somewhere down in blood line.

Somehow, because you remind me of one of my You remind me like one of my cousins, like can you scrap?

You got squabbles?

Yes, and pistols.

Squabbles and pistols.

Okay, yeah, you for sure probably related to me then, because I'm telling you my cousins get busy and all my other cousins the great state of Ohio.

But anyway, yeah, I really do feel like that as black men or maybe men period, Right, we repress a lot of stuff, right, I know I used to repress a lot of things.

And I think back to my childhood.

I don't necessarily say a lot of stuff I went through they would probably call abuse today, but I think it was just me getting disciplined.

I just think, you know, you come from a household where you step on the line in your ass for Yeah, but what.

We learn how to ask whooping from?

You know what I'm saying.

I feel like anytime a big person hits a small person, they actually lost control the child, you know what I'm saying.

So to use your words, Yeah, I didn't hit my personally I didn't know.

I didn't discipline my children in that manner.

I took stuff from them.

I put him on punishment, and I talked to them because I always felt like because I used to get my ass.

Like switching you was getting your asked by a frustration, like you know, like upset, like they taken out, you know, just the frustrations, the obligations.

Some people see children as a burden, you know what I'm saying.

They sometimes they take it out.

It's such thing as a bully parent.

Some people be bullying the kids.

And I know that.

I know one thing for sure is that my parents do love me.

You know, me and my mom have a really good relationship.

But Irene used to whoop ass.

You know, Irene whooped ass.

And I had a stepfather, Willie Steele from Cooper, Little Mississippi.

Damn you you know.

Yeah, he used to roll that cigar around his mouth.

And when he did that, it was on at the dynamic of my mom.

You know, my mom had me when she was twenty years old.

She just turned twenty and she was this country girl, right and she had met my stepdad, I think four years after I was born.

And my I think my stepdad was making fifteen to twenty years older than my mom, So he was definitely one of the g dudes, you know, I hope she dudes put the cigar in his mouth and the leisure suit on from Mississippi talk slick and carried the twenty two on his way through all times.

And so I grew up different, and I knew I had a relationship with my biological father, loved him very much.

We actually have a way better relationship now than we did back at the time.

But I think I for sure repressed a lot of stuff, and I know for sure that my childhood experience has defined the man I am now.

I'm like very loyal to my family.

I knew that.

I just knew that I didn't want to have children with multiple women, Like I knew I wouldn't gon do that I didn't want to have And I knew that whoever I had a child with, I was gonna try to make it work with them.

That's who I was.

I spent my life, right, I just it was just certain things I just didn't want to take another human being through, Because you do feel like this sense of isolation where you are not when you kind of like the child.

That's kind of like, you know, both my brothers got the same father, right, I also have another brother too.

You know, my dad's not right, so I always kind of felt like I was the outside got them, you know.

Yeah, but your stepfather that right.

I'm sorry your stepdad didn't make you feel like that though.

Right.

Oh no, my stepdad, I'm gonna tell you this.

I remember and I forgot this, right.

I think we were freshed.

That's why I'm saying.

I think we kind of touched stuff in our backpack, right in our middle backpack, because my mom said that.

One day, I was coming home from school, and I used to go to this school, this private school, and they used to take everybody in the hallway and kind of do attendance, right, And I used to always wonder why my younger brothers had a different last name than me.

My last name was Munson at the time, right, I didn't have my dad's last name with is Sanders, right, my mom, you know, for whatever reason, that's I learned that, like, look, their problems be their issues, right.

But I asked him, I said, why isn't my last in the same but theirs?

I thought their last name was cool still, right, And I said that my mom told me about it.

She said, will you or you're talking about that?

And he went home to win this cigar box.

And when they paid like twelve hundred dollars for his attorney, she said, which quighted, well ten thousand dollars back then.

And he did everything to like legally adopt you.

And so I know that Pops loved me, and I didn't start appreciating him really till I got a lot older.

Some of the values that cause, you know, because he was a country dude.

Right.

The thing about Pops is, like my mom always says, since he had he had other women, right, and that's basically why they wanted to get a divorced.

He had other women, but he always took care of his house and he made sure that none intersected and he was always like, hey, you know, this is my family right here.

And you know then he was doing this thing though Pops was a real stones doing this thing.

Yeah, I know, that was just the time period that was right, and he was just a he had him a job downtown.

That's when Ohio had all of the like all the motive plans.

I think that's work.

Yeah, he worked for Fish Body.

I think, so we had a big job.

I remember when we I actually remember when we moved out of the apartment on Chester and first bought our first house.

And I remember because he was over there fixing on it.

I remember that they were talking about the house to be ready pretty soon.

And just think, I think about it.

Back then, they paid fifteen thousand dollars for the house, so I'm pretty sure it was a lot of stuff to get done, you know.

But when I tell you that that man knew how to fix any and everything.

He went back and he built that house up for us, right.

I remember when we moved in.

I met all my friends because I remember what he was moved in, you know.

I just always little kids outside watching with somebody move in.

And I went outside.

I met my boys who like my lifelong friends, like Bam shot out the Bam, Big Bam, my mother guys back in Ohio.

Right, And I remember he went to work at Fishing Body, but he always would come home.

We always had cars in our backyard, a bunch of cars.

He would fix cars.

He like I said, this man was really good with his hands.

He built like a garage in the backyard.

Right, And I remember he would have the radio back there plan he would be fixing on people's cars, right, And I after one day, I said, it seemed like he was always working and fixing somebody's stuff.

And he said, well, son, ain't no such thing as time off.

You need to be making money every minute of your life, he says, a black man, you need to be making money.

Because he said this job would fire me at any time, and Mike job fired me.

I need that way to take care of my.

Family absolutely, because a man is a problem solver.

So if you ain't solving no problems, you the problem.

And that's what he was.

And I'm gonna tell you this too.

He taught me out of my dad.

And this ain't no way, no reflection of nothing against my dad was a solid dude.

He was a solid man.

Right.

Taught me a whole lot.

Right, it's my father.

But Willie still handles stuff a certain kind of way.

I remember he would let people in the neighborhood get credit to get their cards fixed up by the part.

You had to go by your own part.

Right.

As far as his payment, he would work, but you sometimes, you know, he would work with you over payments.

Because a lot of people worked at the same place, like over.

And I remember this kid in our neighborhood who I still know.

So I'm gonna leave nameless because I don't want embarrassing.

But I remember Pops never yelled.

He wasn't the type of dude to yell.

But when he wrote that cigar across his mouth, you knew he wasn't playing those games right.

And I remember he was talking this one kid's dad was like that, you told me he was gonna have his money last week.

What's going home?

And I guess because he was his wife.

He said, man, nigga, I'm tired of you asked me about that.

I'll get it to you when I get to you.

Pops said okay, and dude bro rode off from his car and went down the street.

He wrote that cigar across his mouth and said come on.

And he used to keep this wrench in his pocket, like you know, he had the cover rolls on right, all his coke ras inside his pocket.

We walked down the street to the end and he said, I don't think I heard what you said, and that dude was like, nigga, all you heard was nigga, And my hats man pulled that rinsh out and bust that dude in his head and just like we just popped him, just beat him down.

And a woman came and he slapped her across the face with the wrens God her old face up, and it was just the craziest thing that I've ever seen.

And I just I'm looking.

I'm a little kid, right, I'm probably about like eleven years old, And I looked, and he wanted her purse that was just sitting in the front seat of the car, and took the money out and like took what was his and he said, this ain't enough.

I ain't gonna leave you drive.

He threw like five dollars whatever it was back.

I need to rest my money next week when you get paid, nigga, because they've rolled by eating chicken and all that.

So he used the type of does you owe me money?

How you all buying sperks on chicken and stuff.

You know, boy, you can't stand and see a nigga doing nothing when they owe you.

You don't want to see the damn thing.

Don't check this out.

We get back to the thing, and he looked at me, he said, listen, never letting nobody play with you.

Never he said, don't do no munch of talking, because he wasn't for all that talking.

He said, tell me, if a nigga is sitting out there talking, they don't want to do nothing.

And he did that, and that's just the way he handled his business.

So he was a different kind of dude.

And he would pop your ass like he would like he would shoot your ass.

He was.

He would pop you, he would whoop your ass, and he just was a man's man.

He wasn't just a dude.

He played well.

He didn't do no joking.

The ring and the way he pressed.

He wasn't never the type of dude that hugged you with nothing like that, but by him taking care of you, him working targets.

We always had good Christmases, like Ian.

We always had a tari En, the Leco vision and colored TVs and stuff, you know, the floor model.

We always had stuff in her house.

And I realized that everybody whose pops had a job down that Fisher plant was doing good.

The ones who didn't because that was around with crack started rolling around.

I remember when that hit, it just kind of ran through our community real bad.

But it was a lot of stuff Cleveland.

I think about it now, I don't know how I survived that shit, Like it was a lot of stuff going on.

God, you were supposed to survive.

You're supposed to be here right now for it's time.

Yeah, it wasn't nothing but God.

And I think that I saw girls get like you know, figured out.

I saw girls getting raked on the way the school.

Was a lot of foul stuff that just went on.

Like Cleveland was just a record real ghetto city, isn't Is it not?

Still?

Like that is Cleveland.

I've never been to Ohio before Cleveland.

I don't feel like I heard any good things about Cleveland, Ohio.

Cleveland is a very I think Cleveland had me prepared to come out to LA for sure.

Like, and I'll be honest with you, when I first came out here, I was squawking.

I was squabbling a lot because I just wasn't scared.

Like I didn't know what no crip was, I didn't know what no blood was, not fuck about none of that shit.

I just knew.

And I never was one because that's the way my Papas raised me.

I never was one that reacted to a bunch of talking.

There was two things.

If you called me out my name, if you called me a bitch, I was gonna make you stand on that like if you called me Steven.

To this day, if you called me out my name, I ignore anything else.

But it's like a motherfucker called me a bitch.

I'm like, I'm we scrapping, we fighting right that you had to stand on that ship because you're not gonna call me out my name.

But anything else, all that other talking and idle press, I'm just like, man, whatever, you know whatever, but you put your hands on me, I'm gonna I'm gonna do something real bad to you.

I've always been like that.

I've never paid attention to talk because I've always started talking was like a defense mechanism.

All that talking about what you're gonna do and do it.

Yeah, you go do something, Just do it.

You know.

I don't care about all that stuff.

It has never bothered me.

I've never felt a nigga because, for one, I'm a dude like this.

I know they say that I like the hit people.

Wiley talking shit like a mid sentence.

Yeah, he was saying shit, I'm.

Just punch you in your fucking mouth while you're talking for a finisher.

I'm never gonna be my one to put my hands on somebody first.

But if they put their hands on me or try to, or it's own the poppery, put your hands on me, because I don't think a man should put his hands.

I mean, listen, I don't been in fights, like I haven't fought in a very long time.

Okay, first of all, I'm a grown ass woman, but high school stuff like that, Like sometimes man, you lose words.

I don't.

I don't have a whole lot of words, And if I fuck around and stutter, I'm gonna hit you.

Words sometimes.

And there's such things as fighting words.

I don't even think adults realize that you can't just say and do what you want to do to people and think there's not gonna be any repercussions.

You know what I'm saying, You gotta be respectful.

That a lot of people.

Only respect disrespect, So now you know you gotta take it someplace else.

But yeah, I definitely be on that type of time now.

But yeah, people, I feel like a lot of the problems in the world today is because a lot of people never got the ass for I never had to get my ask what to be respectful?

Right, because I just t know how I want to be treated or how they don't want to be treated.

Exactly, and I leave with respect.

I'm the type of guy to lead or respect that I don't ever crave the people because if you if you come at me in a disrespectful way and see that, first of all, I'm just gonna step away from you.

I'm not messing with you, know more.

But if you continue with your nonsense, some bad what happen?

Right?

And I don't know, I kind of and I don't do that with people because I kind of take stuff.

I take stuff far.

That's me.

I'm an one up there.

If it's going on, I'm gonna take it to a level that you're just not ready of.

And I'm like, messing with me.

Girlfriend might get beat up.

Everybody is around.

You might get beat up because God might go play with you.

You know what I mean.

I'm not well.

I do a lot of I do a lot of saving people from themselves, especially with this podcast stuff.

I don't respond to no podcast talk.

I don't none of that stuff, you know what I mean?

But you know, if I see you, I'm gonna make you stand on some shit, you know what I mean.

But if I don't see you, I'm not gonna go looking for you, you know what I mean.

I just I've never I've never had to spend no time shall outside of some little hole and taking stuff.

I've never been one for foolishness like and I feel like this.

If you live your life right, can't nobody catch you up with no shit like I'm not out there.

I don't mess around on my old lady.

I'll mess around on my wife.

I'm a faith get married man.

So can't nobody ever come to me with no kind of hors you.

I'm gonna deal with it.

This ain't nobody.

And I feel like people that put themselves in them type of positions, that's on you because you out there doing room and I And honestly, I never understood the whole philander and thing because if you don't want to beat with somebody, just don't be with them.

I'm not good at chat and I'm not good at trying to hide a life.

I live my bottom black stuff.

I'm gonna get caught up my white dot me for so long she can look at me and tell you, you know so that's just not me.

I'm not no good at it, so I'm not trying.

You know.

I saw this this new this comedian.

I want to know his name too, I forgot it.

I think his name is Vincent.

I just started following him on Instagram and he used to have some real profound shit.

While he was on somebody's podcast.

He the guy who he was.

I don't know if he was being interviewed.

I don't know if they do the podcast together or whatever, but he was saying, you know, when you lie to your woman, like, women have intuition, right, and it's a real thing.

So when if your woman confronts you about cheating or something like that and you lie to her, what you're doing is essentially like you tampering with her intuition.

So now when she needs her intuition to help you stay out of harm's way, you have now like like warped it kind of.

You've now made her second guest her intuition.

You've made her question herself and knowing she knows that this thing is happening, right, but bye, you lying, you have now confused her.

And men don't even realize when they be working against themselves like women women.

Women.

If you if your girls tell you that person for you that's not your friend, believe her.

I'll live by that.

If my wife tell.

Me you have an inner knowing that men just don't have they just don't have.

Yeah, if my wife tells me leave that dude alone here mean you know good, I'll listen to her and I stay away from I don't care how bit of a do it.

He seemed like I stopped messing with him.

I handle him at a distance, right.

I keep them kind of whipping, you know, at the distance right.

And the one thing about it, I do believe that women have any wish.

But y'all can't accuse the mother suckers ship that he ain't dead though, that be just standing on me like.

Real profound dreams.

I have dreamed of shit somebody was doing and it was true.

So you want to get what your man's asked for because you some shit my wife, And you know what my wife has done before.

We had us a good night the night before and it's like a Saturday morning.

We wake up about to go eat some breakfast and hey, babe, what you want to go do?

She could look at me like this and going about her business and I'm like, Bam, I ain't.

We've been in the bill today and exif me I had a dream that you did this and that, not like her, like what are you talking about?

Like like I control your dreams or something like that.

Like I said, you don't dreamed about.

Man, because it's it's just it's just real.

I have dreamed about shit that what's happening, and you know I'm not.

I don't pick fights, though, so I do wake up.

I want to be happy every morning.

So even if I know some shit, like my ex used to say, i'd be building reco cases against niggas and I'm like, what, so I won't see anything?

Right if I get on some bullshit, you better not have nothing to say to me.

Now that might be my toxic trade.

I'll store a lot of information because I want to be happy.

I don't feel like addressing everything I see and hear.

If I still want to be with some I don't harass men until I'm ready to leave they ass.

Now I really look about his ship.

Yeah, I ain't saying ship like I want to have a good day, especially if I'm still be with your whole ass.

I'm not saying nothing but the minute.

I started like spewing shit out, the relationship pretty much over.

Yeah, you know what the thing is, I'm gonna tell you this.

They got they got some ship now called walk away wife syndrome.

Not like what the fuck is that to wear?

What a motherfucker just come home and they ship gone?

Like the wife just don't have enough, She ain't said nothing, and she just.

You know, because a lot of times that is the best.

Like women can't how can we really get back at a man?

Right?

So if a man is cheating and mistreating you, we the only thing we can do is with whole sex or leave, you know what I'm saying, And then staying with somebody and withholding sex, he's still won't be fucking somebody else, So what are you really doing?

Right?

So, the only way to really get even with a man is to leave him and get a better one, or you cold turkey just like that that you Especially if you're dealing with a narcissist, the best thing to do is ignore them.

And I'm not saying that like all men are narcissists or like only men can be narcissists, because I do know some narcissistic women okay, but the best way to deal with them is this straight cut all contact.

Yeah.

I never heard that term before.

That's interesting.

I just think, you know, aj at the end of the day, I think there's too much stuff that can happen when you out there just you know, playing games with people.

I think when you are a certain age playing game, you know, playing games shouldn't be a thing of it because you still have sexy transmitted diseases out there.

You still have hiv as, herpes U, you know, gonorrhea, a host of other things that you can come home and you you know, you laying somebody, you intimate with somebody, and you don't you know, you've been out there not taking care of your business.

Li's like when I see guys that have kids outside their marriage, I say, not only was your cheating, dude, you was out there going back.

A whole human.

And the thing is like, I never understand men like you do have some men you got Nick Cannon, whoever else these guys who have like a bunch of kids and they're millionaires.

Okay, but that is you know, that is a small percentage of men, right who can have all these children to actually be able to take care of them.

I know a nigga with twenty one kids and he's a truck driver, Like, what are you doing?

You let your dick make a slave out of you at this point, but he has grandkids at this point too.

But how do you expect to ever reach the level of success that you see yourself at when you are dividing yourself in between multiple households like that?

And I feel like Black men don't think about that enough, right you having a baby with somebody else every year.

You are not the man you think you are.

You are highly irresponsible.

You're just creating baby mamas, you know what I'm saying, So big baby baby mama culture is a big ass fucking problem.

And I mean, when you think about it, the fucking baby starts in the man.

That's your baby, you know what I'm saying.

We cultivate life, We cultivate life, right, but that's your baby.

So I feel like maybe maybe more, maybe the system should be just be like you know, if a woman, if a man gets a woman pregnant and they split up, the baby automatically goes with the man.

You know what.

I think that happened to mend be a lot more responsible because I'm gonna tell you this, absolutely, I just could never see myself just creating something because I'm gonna tell you I was there when all my kids were born, except for my oldest.

I had my oldest.

We was young.

I was maybe twenty years old right, and I was in school.

I was going playing football, was playing college football.

But when she had the baby, I was on the phone like I knew.

We just played.

I remember that night clearly.

We just played university in New Mexico, and I was going to my dorm and the phone was ringing, and I knew.

I just like felt it in my soul on the bus like I knew my son.

I knew my child and kings.

We was on the bus on the way back and I just felt like this like feeling over me, like just a feeling like everything seemed brighter, and I was just in hurry to get back home.

And I was literally running back from the statum, you know, we bus come back to stay and we run back the room and I heard my phone ringing and I was like, my son is here, and he was like this.

My brother in law was on the phone like yeah, fool, you got a son now, like and I was just thinking.

And I remember going back home like that, just me going to go meet him for the first time and me old them it was just feeling like man.

And I looked at his face and I just said, man, I gotta do something for this dude.

You know what I mean.

It got to be like my life changed right there.

My whole mindset changed right there, and said everything I do for Maryln has to be for this kid right here, Like my dreams don't matter no more, My dreams happening racist don't matter no more.

It has to be I have to fulfill this kid's dreams.

Right when I saw my son Christopher born.

Now when I tell you he took my wife shit, I remember we wanted to lay.

I ain't saying we like I was over because I ain't have to do shit.

I was just driving.

I remember it was early in the morning.

It was like three o'clock, she said this time.

And I was prepared, right.

I slept in my pants that night, as we knew, I slept in my pants on.

I got to put my T shirt on and I got that and I walked her out through the car, got in and I drove her up the Kaiser and I'm thing that the babby about to just come out, right then, Man, when I tell you, Christopher didn't bring his ass here at nine o'clock that night, So she was in labor all day.

And it was the weirdest thing because my father had twins before.

See what I found out about my dad, my biological dad.

He was in the service.

He was in the military, and he had a wife and twin kids, and the twins and his wife had died the fire, but he was out doing his patrols they died, and so he lost the whole family before I was born, right, And so my wife had another say like it was another baby there, but it didn't get go all the way to the term.

Like it was just crazy.

Right, And my son, Christopher, he was born.

He came out face side up.

He came out face up, those oppos away, he came out.

So it was you know, all of me, and you believe in symbolism and stuff, right, I just knew that he was gonna be like all my kids are special to me, but I just knew that this one was gonna be either a hell raiser or he was gonna be like Steve Jobs and somebody gonna be like somebody different and he feels very different, Like he was very different, and like it's like he came out like he had been here before, because he looked around and then he just screamed like like that I had him.

Yea.

I remember my wife had passed out and I had to grab the baby from her and I was trying to hold her and it was just a lot man and my daughter.

So when my daughter was born, I was ready for this big ordeal because I went through it with him.

I like had my little scrub soon and I was pretty and she just kind of just popped out like and I remember her cheeks were so like man, she got these really big cheeks and that was my daughter.

Man.

So it was it's very emotional.

It was very emost of me when I had children.

It was just like it's because it's a love that nothing.

Else compares to and how do you walk away from that?

So you know what I what I realized is that the love for a child may be your biological child or you know, a step a step son, a stepdaughter.

I believe that the love for the child is transferable from the love the man has for the woman.

So that's why a man can take care of a child that's not his because he loves that woman.

And when a man doesn't like a woman, it's fuck them kids, even if it's his biological children.

See, I don't know if you should think that way, because the thing is, they don't stop being your kids because.

Always I feel And that's why, that's why it's easy for some men to walk away because they don't want to deal with that woman, you know what I'm saying, So you just discard the children as well.

But even a man who they separate, but you still have love for this woman.

If she need anything, you still coming through.

You take care of your children.

That's the love he has for the woman.

It really doesn't have anything to do with the kids.

Men don't have the same connection not all you know, don't have the same connection with children like the mother does.

Right because though yes, the baby comes out of you, this thing is growing inside of her.

You know what I'm gonna tell you.

Like this, at one time, my oldest son, his mama was always his favorite.

Don't get me wrong, my oldest son loved me to death, but he's a mama's boy one hundred percent for sure.

He loved his mama, right.

My daughter, hmm, she loves both of us, she said, I love both of she was little.

I love both of you guys.

But that's my daddy, you know, like my daughter.

I love my daughter.

It's different with dads and daughters.

Right.

My oldest son, for the longest, when he was little, he didn't like his mom.

Like he would wake up at night when he was want and be smacking on her face and biting her and shak you know what I mean, and just doing a whole bunch of stuff.

But now if you ask either one of them, it's all about their mom.

With my boys, my mom, they mom.

Mother's Day, it's all kinds of stuff, I swear man.

My wife probably get about five thousand ship the muscle me.

I might get an Instagram post shout out to my pop.

Okay, better than that.

My daughter, she could look me up.

My daughter.

She always would have some nice and go pick for me and everything as my son, what's up pop?

Father's Day?

I might get some socks or it's a pair of clippers or something like that.

But they mam are getting a thousand dollars bottle of the cologne.

Something just everything that she wants.

She got a list, she get loved, But you know what, she's supposed to get loved because I tell my boys, she's supposed to take care of your mama.

If something happened to me, y'all butt to take care of y'all mama.

That's you know, that's the rules around here.

Something a man who takes care of their mom too, Like, that's one of the characteristics out look for now.

I always make jokes that I don't like niggas with mamas, and I don't like niggas with sisters, like if your mama got to be an ancestor.

I joke like that a lot.

But a man who takes cares, takes care of his mom, you better believe he's going to take care of you.

So you need to thank his mama for how he is by one.

Hundred percent for sure.

Because one of my proud moments is you know I'm moving to the South this summer, right.

I don't think I told you that, right, I'm moving even California after all these years, right.

But one of the main reasons I'm leaving not just because it's cheap route there and I'm tired of paying all these highest taxes and everything else, and I want to see more of my money, right right, But I am going to go take care of my mother too.

My mother is moving in with me, and that's like proudest moment ever from like, I cannot wait for that to happen.

I just can't wake up to eat breakfast with my mama.

But I also know that my mama is very moody, So I got to make sure that where we move, she got her as her own space and her own safe space that she can retreat to when she getting one of those Irene moves, you know what I mean.

But she wanted to get in, then Irene move, she can go ahead and go to her thing.

That's why I like, you know, Atlanta got the basements, right the Atlanta they got basements, and it's really not faces necessarily, they had their own entrance and got like old separate kitchen downsta certain cases.

I want to get something like that because I want her to be able to have her own space because sometimes yeah, yeah, sometimes people just don't want to be bothered with nobody else, you know what I mean.

That's that's fine too, especially.

The older they get.

Man, My mama mean as hell.

You know what I'm saying, I'd be like, I, damn man, you won't never be happy.

Older black women are meet as fun.

Like I feel like we all got the same Mama.

I really.

I've been on this post the other day.

Was on wealth dot com, I think, but it was like, I don't know if these these articles be real, these headlines, but it was something like a call from your mom, can you know, ease the pressing or ease anxiety or something like that, And all the comments were saying shit, like shit, not for my mama, stressed up, her number prop up sometimes.

I think I was telling you earlier that my mom can be mean sometime and I tell her, I tell her not like Mama.

You didn't even have to say all that, Like my mama is just real.

My mom don't curse.

She curse, but she is going to make I feel like you're this small and she's gonna say what's on her mind well while you know it.

And I'm like, mama, But imagine if we did that to them though, right, because it's not that we can't, you know, because they are not above reproach.

They have flaws also, So imagine if we told them exactly how we felt about them.

They would crush them, you know what I'm saying.

So they'd be round here hurting our fucking feelings and we just gotta gotta be quiet.

Hell, I'm gonna tell you that you very much like I remember, if I talked bag, I would be like, I don't know what was up with my mom.

It's like she had buying powers or something.

She would throw a cup or ship and it seemed like that thing and turning around corners and hits your ass with it like she has some black mama got some kind of mental to lipty or something.

They throw something next your ass.

That ship hit me brown corner like this, making it making it turn.

Yeah, because you would say something right like I know my mom susould say something like come in here and watch that she's not under my breath washing herself.

I ain't messing them up what you're saying.

And next thing, you know, a shoe come around the corner.

Anything, and they could throw anything makes your ass and that shit makes your dad in your head.

So definitely, black mamas, definitely, they can definitely be on their ship when they want to.

But I think they go through a whole lot of shit.

Absolutely, I got a lot of empathy for my mom, Like she doesn't think I do, but I have a lot of empathy for her because I understand the trauma that she will never deal with, that she probably went through as a child.

Because our generation where you go to therapy and shit like that, Like the baby Boomers, they frown upon therapy, you know what I'm saying.

They think it's weak.

But you can't even talk about your childhood without what's not crying.

You gotta take care of yourself though, because I'm gonna tell you, I think I shared what you want.

How long do that?

When I told you I started taking well butter about a year ago?

Yeah that was like last year sometime.

Yeah, and for the longest I can so we need some ads, We.

Need some hey, Jane, how can y'all?

Right?

There?

I take well butteran not to be a real what do they call it?

A live, live case study?

Right?

Yeah, you know, but admember.

For the longest, I didn't think that ship was working because I was like, man, I don't feel no different.

I don't feel no different.

You know.

What happened was all of a sudden, I just started feeling like me again because I went through this period to where I wouldn't feel like myself, you know, dealing with podcasts.

Just we've been doing this show for a long time.

For those who benners since the beginning.

All the changes at the beginning, gets all the bullshit and drama at the beginning, I think, not just that, but a lot of shit.

Just start wearing toll on them.

You start having the toll on me to where I didn't feel like I felt like I was outside of myself almost I'm tired all the time.

I was just like I just didn't feel like myself.

Now, I would say for the last six seven months, I've been feeling like myself.

I feel like me again.

You know.

I'm in a better mood.

I'm not snappy.

It's just like, don't get me wrong, I still get mad.

It's like like my Like my therapist told me, she said, now, well, different angles gonna make everything because she said, you're still a human being who have to feel some shit, right, they don't do that, but at the same trouble and it just helps me to cope with everything a little bit better, you know what I mean.

I don't get mad.

I don't I used to get really frustrated about shit, like I was mad because I think me and you've got a lot of the same qualities.

We are the doors in our situation, right, We're the ones that make sure shit get done.

We often spending our own money.

We off often spending the most time with something.

So you can kind of start to resist your business partners and people that should do stuff with because you're doing every damn thing, and this seemed like they just kicking back reaping the benefits, like you know, we get that.

I heart check out, Like damn, I gotta slit this shit down the middle, and I'm doing all the fucking work.

That's what we're doing.

No, not like that, and I'm not I'm sinking Ad is the perfect partner.

I'm not talking about him.

This is like my previous situations, right, Ada is the perfect partner because that kind of he understands business by him being entertainment so long, he understands been so eight it's cool.

I can do this show with eight from here to the end of eternity.

Like it ain't about eight.

This is about my previous dealing with the previous you know, credence that.

I was involved with then you know what I'm saying, you gotta make sure that you are in It's a marriage essentially, and you just have to make sure you go into business with somebody who has the same business acumen as you.

Whenever you fall short, they picked the ball up and run, you know what I'm saying, And vice versa, He's gonna make sure you got you know, that type of partnership in any ship, that's the same thing with your with your actual partner.

You know what I'm saying, your lover like, it's the same ship whenever I'm you strong, and vice versa.

That's how you have good good business.

That's how you do good business.

Yeah, you know you know aight is my boy.

For the record out there, eight is my dog.

Eight is my guy.

We've been.

Aden is easy to deal with because he don't say much like he just he knows, he understands business, you understand what I mean.

So it's a lot different with him, mom.

He doesn't he doesn't complain about stuff.

He just kind of just does what you know what I mean.

As late back, he's like, okay, this all deal with time.

Were doing the show and he come through this, come through the show, going about his business.

Aydus very much cool.

But I am the person.

I am the person who started this show, so I do have to have some responsibility.

You know, I'm the executive producer of the show.

So it's a whole different thing.

I'm sorry.

My daughter just came in and she see I'm doing the show.

She just don't came in by me, I guess by me spearheading the show.

I am.

We have a certain amount of responsibility.

That's a thing, make sure.

But it gets our sometimes hard.

Out here for a tip.

You know what I mean?

And is sorry, man, listen, Podcasting is not easy.

You know we've been doing we talk back now, you know, January.

I feel like it's six years.

Sorry show we launched in twenty twenty one, so five years and it's not easy.

And we show up consistently, you know what I'm saying, Like, that's that's what it's about.

You know.

Do I want to be talking on a mic forever?

No, because there's other size of this.

You know, I want my studio and ship it up.

People could gave me to come recording my shit, but yeah, WTV studios something like that.

But it's not easy.

It's not easy.

To stay consistent doing anything and that time.

Yeah, that's how you get to where you're going.

If this is something you really want to do, Like I have always aspired to be able to do something and make money being myself, you know what I'm saying.

I come from a more corporate background and you got to have all these hats on.

Well, it's therapeutic, especially when you get to have conversations like this and just kind of I think being a podcast, you have to be able to bear.

You have to be able to tell your truth and not be embarrassed about it.

That's just what it is right here.

It's the truth.

I don't you know.

And I've never had a problem with telling nobody that I take that I'm go to therapy and I take anti depressants and all that shit, because I think a lot of people.

I think if we have more people going to therapy and take an antidepressence, we'll beat a lot better place.

You wouldn't see people losing lightly lives and shit the way they do.

So I think that diet.

You know, also because you've you've not lost a significant amount of weight recently too.

Oh yeah, sure, you're back in jail working on that also helps with your mental health.

You know, like black people we always say, like all these diseases are hereditary.

No, it's the fucking food.

The way we cook is what's hereditary.

Yeah, so that that helps with your mental health too.

I wouldn't just automatically go to medication, right, but a lot of people, a lot of black people, are self medicating.

My ex he was mean when he wasn't high.

You know what I'm saying.

I had to wait until the nigga got high to have fun because I'm happy all day Like, that's not my normal setting.

But I don't know what he was going through that.

Maybe he didn't communicate, but he just wasn't fun until he was high.

Well, I'm gonna tell you what's going on, right.

I think in our community, especially marijuana is legally California, and you see people smoking blunts back to back to back to back, and that's because they are self medicating.

And uh, I tell my friends go see a therapist, because, especially especially when you black coming up in America, it's a lot of shit going on in this country now.

It's hard to feel like you're constantly not under attack.

And I consider myself as sass that'sful, dude, you know, not to be just all depress and shit.

You know, me and Fiend just started up a record label, right, We started up a record label.

We signed our first artist, and about the sign our about to sign this other group that's real dope man related the King Crook, his little Brother's Shoe Gang.

I'm really excited about the new dudes and monsters on the microphone.

So we building up a real formidable roster that's gonna be able to go head to head with Dreamville ten or anybody else out there, like like we got some scenes over here.

Uh, And I'm excited about that, right.

I never thought I was gonna jump back into the music industry, but I'm back in a little with the music before.

It was the time, you know, when I had my job before, when I was on A and R, I was working for the publishing company.

It was one of them things to where I got so just disenchanted with it because there's so much bullshit to go on this business.

I mean, you will have people to set meetings up with you to tell you they want to do stuff, and then you don't hear from these motherfuckers.

No more right to be in the middle of negotiating the contract, and the motherfucker just disappear on your ass.

And then you see him like six months down the road.

Oh where you've been at?

Man, It's like, dude, why are you playing with me?

You know, I just got tired of the book, right, Yeah.

I've never told the act I was gonna sign them and just just disappeared.

I've never done it.

I didn't get to sign a whole bunch of people.

But when I had Mike chance and when I did go out Todell's, I moved with a lot of intent.

I didn't never play with nobody's dreams, you know.

I used to always thought that was real fun, right, So I always managed guys expectations, right, Like if I'm meeting with a major label or something and they liked the music, I tell them this is so much more than that.

This ship may not happen for another year.

If it happens, you know, right Yeah.

And sometimes and when it's meant to happen, it's easy.

When something is from God, it's really easy.

You go through smooth, you know.

It's like it's like when we did our deal with Charlotte Maine.

That shit was smooth.

It took a while, but it was like, you know, from the time we had nasty talked and was talked just like shit, I think it might have taken us.

Took us like, how long did it take y'all signing y'all do?

Like three months something like that.

Yeah, that's because the attorney we had was bullshitting.

I essentially ended up doing Listen, I'm a whole lawyer in my mind.

You know what I'm saying.

I've represented myself in multiple situations.

You know, I ended up having to deal with Ship because the lawyer was bullshitting, like I was wait for him to send the contract back little wear shit.

So I just I pretty much had to take care of it myself after after about three.

Months, that's what we did too.

So it was after a while.

It was like because the attorney, because you know, they like to be you for hours, and I was like, dude, you're not about to slip here and.

Building doing nothing.

You're not doing nothing.

This chick is this Ship is not no ninety page document and it's pretty cut and dry.

I know then what I wanted, and it was pretty cool.

It's like I said, Dolly is one of my favorite people.

Shout out to Dolly Bishop.

Yeah those are on Earth man.

Yeah, they good people, right.

You know I can say to an extent they changed my life.

You know, great people, right, But stuff takes time, right, And I always manage artists expectations, always say it's a lot of work to do, and just because you do get a deal, don't mean you can just go kick back right now.

It's a lot of work to do.

This is a lot of You get an advanced and you've got to make sure you make that money back.

It's not your money, then you're gonna pay it back out And man, music, that's a whole another episode right there for some different ship by itself.

But I tell people it's just not as easy.

But I feel like I'm back in the place to be able to go out and actually help some young people a change their dreams, right, And I'm looking forward to that.

I'm looking for the artists we've worked with.

I just know I don't want to see no shit going on like what's going on with Cardi B and the old girl Nicki Minaj right now.

That shit is retarded, crash.

It's just trash.

It's just real trash, you know.

And uh, you know right now, what's been replaying is like the Low Kim interview that she did on the Breakfast Club, Like I don't know nine years ago, something like that ten years ago where she was saying how like y'all won't see like because people were basically calling her bitter, as if she was coming for Nicki minaj.

I guess it was longer than that ago.

But if Nicki Minaje felt like Lo Kim was trying to sun her like you need to bring you need to pay homage to me, she essentially is doing the same shit to Cardi B.

You know what I'm saying, Like, I feel like I feel like she wants to be the only person.

She's on an island by herself, essentially, you know, she she wants everybody beneath her, people.

To pay homage to you.

You did birth all these other female rappers.

You made a lane for them.

I don't feel like anybody ever came in the game disrespecting her.

Most of these girls was in high school when you came out.

Nikki, you tripping.

Yeah, But you know what I say about that, right, I think older people can do hip hop.

I think if you are older, rap artists, because I know he's probably about to release the best rap album of his career.

He probably probably put the best album out he put out like in a long time, probably the best ever.

Like seriously, like he this man that I ain't gonna speak on it too much, but it's really dope.

Like people are gonna be really surprised and shocked.

You know, ain'tus coming with it on this shit?

Uh period?

I feel like this, right.

I feel like hip hop is about the young and angry, right.

I feel like that, you know, a young person comes out and they doing their thing.

You should you know, man, shut out to you.

I think everybody has their time, right, Like I was listening to people talking about Kendrick oh man, he's the greatest ever.

Man, I've been doing this shit a long time, and it's gonna be a enough new motherfucker a year from now, two years from now, they gonna say it's the greatest ever.

And I'm like, okay, I heard this before.

Like at one time, Lil Wayne was that dude, you know what I mean?

Lol?

Wayne was you know, it wasn't nobody didn't nobody think nobody would ever do it bigger than Wayne.

But then Dad Kendrick, and it's gonna be somebody else.

That's just good for hip hop.

You know, we need hip hop to keep taking leaps and bounds.

I never understand why everybody just can't coexist, Like, you can be good and I could be good week.

Yeah, good thing is.

I'm pretty sure Dicki Minaj is financially I'm pretty sure her financial help is, health is in order, right, I'm pretty sure she got more money than when she could ever imagine.

She's doing her thing.

Carti is doing her thing.

Carti is on top of the game right now, her and Meghan and all of them, they're doing anything right now.

I just don't like the old motherfucker's coming in and thinking that the young person owed himself.

Yeah, down and kiss they asked, like no, yeah, I don't think now.

I don't think the young person should be disrespectful.

I think they always need to be mindful and pay homics gumble right, but.

The minute you violate, like I'm a violate you.

Yeah, but you know the thing what I see with Carti, I actually like Carti.

I like Cardi oh a lot.

I think Cardi is dope.

I think she's doing her thing.

I like her personality because she's a real hood chick.

I like that about her.

She's really a hood chick, and she ain't change.

She rich is a mother fucker right now, but she ain't change.

She's still and she she.

Never got used to the celebrity either, you know what I'm saying.

That's why she's always arguing with people when they talk about her.

Like girl, you have to even in podcasting, you have to be okay with criticism, Like people talk hell is shit about me, like they don't know me in real life though, right the people who know me in real life love me, and that's really all that matters to me, right until if I get to know some of these people who you know, I listen to the story listening to the show, but I actually get to know you in real life and we become friends or something like that, that's different.

But you have to be able to accept criticism.

Cardi B.

She has never gotten okay.

With celebrity like she And I'm not saying like disrespect should come with being a celebrity, but you should expect some hateration, right because when you're doing well, you kind of force people to recognize in their own situation, right, you kind of make people evaluate their own situation.

So success either garner's admiration or hater ration.

And adults have a hard time admitting that they fucking hater, So instead of saying, yeah, I'm a hater, they will create reasons to justify the hate.

And that is what Nicki has done.

She has creative reasons to.

Not like the breakfast club.

She thinks she's above repros.

Nobody's supposed to critique her, her songs, nobody's supposed to critique.

Anything she does.

Same thing with Cardi B.

They don't want anybody seeing anything negative against them.

They not always the most positive people though, right, So you got to be careful that you're not putting out the energy to receive that type of energy back.

Oh, one hundred percent, for sure, And she for sure seemed like you know what it is, And I've seen this with a lot of artists.

You know how people are kind of like not that their career is over, but they kind of in the twilight and they're not get attention.

But somebody else here's right now, and it's almost they like mad about that, like they're not paying attention to me anymore.

It's like, man, they enjoying this time right now.

And my thing, like you're rixis fuck do your thing like you're rich.

Go go take your jetting, go some motherfucking where.

I'm serious.

I'll be honest with you.

I help a lot of young podcasts right because I feel like this, if I can help somebody else, man and she, they go and do their thing.

They I'm so busy doing what the fuck?

I'm so busy worried about what I got going on.

I'm not paying the shout out to all of them.

I think it's dope that you got young cats like cash or not.

Man that's doing this credible stuff.

He got an incredible platform, right, he's doing this thing with the stream and stuff.

You got a whole bunch of little dudes, the little black kids that fixed now getting trying.

To figure out how I can do that to a ship, Like how did I get on.

Sing man popping?

I make this for my lane, for the o geez, you know what I mean.

But but shot out to the yellow people doing anything.

I don't like that shirt, you know, And it's like this, I'm a Nicki Minaj.

I think NICKI make dope music.

I think she's a dope ass MC.

I think she dope.

Do your thing, don't worry about it.

I do wish the one thing I wish that Cardi would do is stop worrying about what these motherfuckers got to say about her.

Yeah, you cannot address the whole world.

You can't, so don't even try it.

You got she got to get thicker skin.

And move on.

I don't even look at ship like.

I don't look at negative things.

If it's gonna affect my mental health.

I don't.

Yeah, because I'm gonna tell you right now what I don't like.

I definitely don't like them on there talking about each other's kids.

I think that shit is raggedy, and I think that's raggedy and destructive when I think somebody can really get hurt when you start talking up people's kids, you can really get hurt.

Like, that's a different you know, that's a different type of Uh, that's a whole different tape energy.

Because I'm gonna tell you, somebody get to play with my kids.

It's gonna be proud.

Probably it might be some pistol play involved.

In that shit, you know, and all these kids young and the internet is only going to get more sophisticated, and it's gonna be even easier for your kids to find this shit ten years from now.

You know what I'm saying.

The Internet is not pencil, it's ink.

You cannot delete this shit because they still got Archive dot Com tempted to try and delete from the Internet.

So you got to be careful what you're saying.

Do online should have follow you for the rest of your fucking life.

It is permanent, right then, you definitely have to be mindful legal choices.

Like I'm gonna tell you if with all the information I have I know something about you, don't stay in the industry for thirty years and not have no secrets about motherfucker's right.

I know a whole bunch of stuff I can see about a whole bunch of famous people.

That's real.

I got received, Yeah, but I have integrity.

It wouldn't it wouldn't do me no good, you know.

So I go out and get a few more peace we're talking about, you know, I get, I get my five minutes and stuff.

But I've damaged the relationship that's been a long term relationship.

I care more about my relationships out there trying to spot on somebody.

And I always thought that that was something I'm trying to stop cursing.

I always thought that was some ba stuff, some fix and stuff.

You know.

I always thought that was be a behavior.

You know, rumors about people gossip.

Right, that's one of the things that people that's one of those characteristics they want to assign to women.

Right.

But men be out here dragging each other.

Or no, let me tell you this, ragging each other.

Men stay on the phone with each other all day like shabby, patty, you and all that.

I'm gonna tell you one thing.

I cut off.

I love my homeboys, shout my homeboys.

But talk about whatever you got to talk about.

Let go, let's move.

When I got time to be on the phone for two hours, she with the homies.

Now O, I know, me and you usually talk.

We usually talk a while, but we usually have the found we don't talk every day, right, we don't talk every ding.

We talk.

We talk conversations, we catch up on stuff, right, And I'm cool with that, right, But all that stuff he gotta be Now, don't get me wrong.

If we talking business and strategizing, to me, that's fun.

That's getting stuff done.

But I'm not just gonna stay on the phone to talk about so and so on what they got going on, especially if them motherfuckers got more money than us.

What the hell do I care about what he got going on?

For he doing what he's supposed to be doing.

Let us go off the phone and get to the bag so we can, you know, get our money up so somebody can sit at home and talk about us on the phone.

Right.

Yeah, people like to a minute chatty patty, but he gonna he's gonna ask you directly in your face, you know what I'm saying, Like, he's not gonna talk about you behind your back.

If you want to come a parent and correct some shit, he's gonna let you come correct some ship like they are essentially reporters of the culture.

He can't be a chat you know.

What I'm saying.

And then furthermore, he's not going to talk shit about you behind your back, like I'm pretty sure you'll triple check with you if need be.

Oh yeah, Charlemagne is a good cat.

Let me ask you this.

Do you remember that situation happened between him and bird Man?

Yes, everything looked so funny because Charlotte Mage is man.

Why do you want to arrest the radio personality, go say something.

Even the ship with.

Dame Dash the other day, that shit pissed me off so bad because I like, this is my family, right.

I just feel like he was trying to fuck out of Charlamagne.

That shit was bugging me so bad, you know, And I told I actually hit Charlamagne up, and I was like, you know this, I feel like this nigga trying to before the before the headlines came out.

I mean, same day, I said, Nah, this nigga trying to provoke.

He was trying to provoke you so he can have a lawsuit.

And sure nothing.

A couple of hours later, he threatened to sue camera on, threatening to shoot sue iHeart Radio in the breakfast club, Like that's all it was about.

Like that nigga was literally trying to get Sean and hit him.

What does he gonna suit the breakfast club for?

But you know that with Charlotte Lane got thick skin.

You call him, You're sitting up there trying to call the homie gay.

It's not gonna do nothing for your arm.

It's not You're not gonna get a reaction out of Charlotte Mayne with that.

Ship essentially from a man who was secure with his sexuality.

Now you can say that to some people who might be sneaking and geeking on the low, and it might offend them because they really got some ship to hide, right for real, you know, But you got to tell a man who's an actual, actual man.

I don't think Dame Dash he's losing it, you know what I'm saying.

I think he's fucked up financially for sure.

And it's sad because he is one of the legends too in in in the industry.

Yeah, and I think, you know this what I tell people, because Momi would ask me about it and I told him, I said, you know what, I think he may be having some financial issues right now, but his definition broke is probably a little bit different than the average persons.

D Ain' probably got him a million a couple of million stats away somewhere, no for sure.

And I think that's what he was trying to insinuate on the show right when he kept saying, my family, he basically got his shit in the trust, which he if he's going through bankruptcy court right now.

A lot of the shit he was saying on that interview should not have been said.

If I was his lawyer, all right, I would have call him and said, shut the fuck up.

Why was you on there saying these things like I don't think that he's going to get the bankruptcy he wants, right, because you are essentially on a nationally syndicated radio show basically saying how you hide in money because we know that you hire money trust els and shit like that.

So he keeps saying his family office that's essentially a trust, that's where he's operating, doing his business out of now because his name is fucked up.

And the thing is this, if I'm going through a bankruptcyuh, for sure, not though saying nothing to him bankruptcy per seing that takes you about six months for your bankruptcy to close out, don't it.

I don't know.

I've never filed.

I've never filed bankruptcy.

I'm not sure, man, ship, I'm gonna tell you that's how I got my credit, Dude, I filed for bank before my credit got deod.

Motherfucker.

After words.

Wouldn't have been after sure, wouldn't have been on those on those show talking about with the money the breed a ride somewhere.

Yeah, that's because he's another dude of the.

Ego is killing people.

The eagle is killing.

Working people.

Tell the people that where they can go listen to y'all show man what Stup'll?

Okay?

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