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A lot of the a lot of the hardos want to argue that it's already here.

Will it's already happened, Charles Jus.

I understand that enthusiasm.

I do because I think this is a I think this is a great time to start prepping your significant others, your wives for what is to come right right right you get to where it's preseason.

Everybody's excited.

I mean I I flip back and forth on the preseason game, the Hall of Fame game.

But it's not like I'm sitting there watching it.

You see it, You see the excitement.

You scroll the apps a little bit and see everybody else's excitement because we worked really hard to get here.

But this is the opportunity where you start the warm up, before the workout.

The massage.

It was intercept that real quick.

You're you tune on the game.

We've been in the situation.

We've been in a preseason game, and you know those guys don't want to be there.

If you see yes no, you see yes, yes, and yes, the cats who are playing like you know, the first round.

The cats that are not are not working for a job to have their job.

They're sitting there going, these motherfuckers got us in the Hall of Fame game.

We gotta do an extra one of these things.

And also there's a bunch of hungry Roberts Ballanes well confidence with around there, going I'm gonna absolutely ruin someone's fucking life this afternoon, and that's to get my game to come true.

Be somebody's nightmare in Ohio.

It's like Charleo.

We were upstairs changing Scottie row was up there jumping off the furniture, and I was like, Hall of Fame game, tonight, Football's back.

There's a game that it's July out it is July, and it's just you start playing the seed.

You're like, oh, football's all night.

We got to have it on.

It wasn't really on, but you start the domino effect and start getting them warmed up to what this schedule is going to be.

Like, Yeah, preseason games are sporadic.

My two kids walked into the main cave the other day and I'm sitting there and they go, Daddy, what you watching?

I was like, I'm just watching them with something.

They go, oh good.

We were hoping it wasn't football, and I said, could you mention that because we're not too far away kids, and we will be watching him like no, Dad, please don't.

They called themselves a punishment, got them back in line.

Now we're getting ready for football.

So put your nose in the corner right now.

Hall of Fame game.

Thank you for let me punish my children so I can get ready for the football season.

Yeah, I'm excited.

Let me ask you this, tell me would you potentially be excited to be the Hall of Fame game?

The first game being in camp?

Great question?

Never had the op I don't hate it now.

I think both teams they probably had to report early for camp.

I think so.

I think that's usually that would suck.

But if you haven't, but usually.

The report early happens with a new coach, and neither one of those teams have new coaches.

We're talking with the lines and the charges for those of you who did not, who live under a rock and don't know football's back.

Yeah, yeah, because I'm sitting here thinking it could be nice if you have a preseason game that early out of the game because camp gets a little cut, a little bit shorter.

Yeah, not like shorter, but you know what I'm saying.

Yeah, the scheduling around it.

Yeah, the types of practice.

The day you have to travel.

Yeah, you have to get out there.

And a lot of guys, the guys who are kind of solidified that they're going to have their position for that year.

This isn't that's like an off day.

That's like a Okay, hey, we want you to play ten snaps this game.

You stressed out, you warm up, but you're morally joking around.

You're thinking, I just gotta I gotta operate for ten snaps.

Show that I'm you know, putting the work in blah blah blah, kind of get my you know, get a little WD forty in these joints of mind and get moving.

But then it seeds.

It's jokes.

It's camaraderie after that, that's the vibe.

That's what you want.

How thankful are you that you were not out in this heat a training cam can I be honest?

Be honest, I missing right now and these last like four or five days seeing how hot it was and being like, yeah, waking up in the morning and not being feeling obligated to be somewhere immediately at six am is a nice bonus.

But there is not a better feeling than getting done with a two and a half hour practice.

A couple guys are cramping in the corner.

You're drenched in sweat, you're taking off your stuff.

You take your socks and you squeegee them and sweat just drained off.

Yeah.

Yeah, you get a little with because you like your own scent, not somebody's else's.

Yea.

And you sit there and somebody makes the remark, boys, this is the farthest will be away from the next practice, And there's a piece of you that goes from I have been in hell to holy shitty's right.

Then the giggles start to happen.

People get on their phones.

Boys in the locker room start jabbing each other.

You might stumble up across a friend who just came from the Redskins and you have accountabill of buddy, and you're like, let's do the extra mile, let's get ready for tomorrow with the sauna, with this cold top yea.

And that to me is fucking awesome.

It's the it's embracing the suck together and it's like, yeah, like I sit here now, I'm on a bus.

Our air conditioning is working.

That's new, but it's like and it's great, Like we have a great life.

Our life is amazing.

But I trade this shit in right now to get out there for a couple more stacks.

I don't know if I share that same sentiment.

Anybody trade there's a out of meeting there.

I miss everything you just said, but I miss it with my younger body.

Yeah, like knowing where I'm at.

Now, it's like I touched that heat outside gets sticky right away, Like there's a little bit of softness that's came with this comfort, no doubt to where it's like I would not trade what's going on right now to get back out there in the training camp.

You know, your boy, I will you know I'm kind of an expert finesse in training camp.

Yeah, you're an expert finessing a lot of things.

I'll say this, dude, when you're when you go to camp and you wake up in the morning, like you wake up, the alarm goes off and there's your anxiety.

Immediately you go into the meetings, you get like pre taped.

If you do tape, You put your braces on if they're making your wear braces.

You got the pants on, you got your bottoms fully done, you got your your shoulder pads, the jersey on.

You go in the meeting.

Coach goes over, Hey, this is what's gonna happen today.

We're doing nine on seven period.

We got one on ones and this time we're gonna individual and individual.

They were gonna do those things.

At this point, your heart rate is truly skyrocking.

Because you're also like, I got to get my pre my pre practice route.

Hit this body, and a.

Lot of coaches like to hit them fucking jaw sets.

You're like, I need that extra five, Especially when you're in years seven and above, You're like, I need that extra five.

Let me loosen in the lather a little bit before I get out there.

But a lot of your mind goes to for me, it was first team period, Okay, I got to operate there, and then those one on ones where it's just you and another guy in front of you, and you know it's tailored towards the defense.

They're pinning their ears back, the cadence doesn't really anything, and you're like, if I can succeed in this category.

In this category to day, everything else can go fuck off.

That's where the anxiety hits.

Now, go back to what we're saying before of like after practice, if you're able to check those couple of boxes where you're like, I got better today because I focus on these things, and I saw myself improved winning and losing the reps whatever, but like my hands were better, my set was better, my feet were better.

I got out of my stands a little bit faster.

Whatever you were trying to work on, you hit those, man, that's like a rest easy moment, and you're like, Okay, tomorrow, we're gonna watch this film.

In your mind, you've already watched film fifty times, you had every bad snap you've had, and you're like, I'm gonna work on these three things tomorrow.

And then you go to a meeting room they tell you the other things you already know, and you're like, tomorrow, I'm gonna knock that shit out of the park.

And then you go to bed and buddy, you don't sleep better.

Then after a hord day of camp, yeah.

And knowing that you get to go into uh you know your your position meetings and Uh, what am I trying to say right now?

Defense offense, defensive offense, team not team meeting offensive, defensive, defensive defensive meetings.

And there's had a hard time, he's aid defense offense.

All you have to do is flip those two weeks for him, got the.

Breaking what's going on there?

And you get to kind of cit easy, knowing like oh, plays about to come up.

You know, get a little compliment right right, like this one was good, versus the anxiety of like fuck I fuck this one?

Yeah, vice versa.

Yeah, that's the opposite because when you do have a really bad play, let's say I the.

Coach is gonna how is coach going to coach?

This is going to go off?

Because if you have a bad player, early my brain would go to you got to finish extra hard today.

So when coach reams your ass, there's a couple clips when maybe we have a big explosive play that you also see seventy seven run down the field quite a bit.

Yeah, and you can you can look at that and be like, that's the effort we need.

It's all you need to get back on track.

Football players are words of affirmation.

Guys.

You hate to admit it.

But when they walk into that team meeting room, you're looking for the words of affora, you're looking for a pat on the ass, you're looking for a good job, and you're dreading the fact that you might get up.

What the fuck are we doing here?

The age old we're paying you how much to do this?

That's always the gut wrenching situation.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, when yeah, I'm going back to the time where you got spun around by JPP.

Yep, what you loved?

Yeah, I mimicked that for Vaybel at the Rookie Show.

That was tough.

And also I will say this about JPP.

Hell of a move, hell of a move with eight fingers.

I will say like.

He was fun Taylor round in practice.

Buddy.

He hit me with an inside move and I like was like, oh, he's going inside.

And I went hard inside and then he went back outside and I literally did a whirling dervish, turned around and he was at the quarterback.

Hits the bag, sorry, hits the bag and goes And I did that with one hand.

I thought, fuck, he got my ass because I was thinking to myself, I'm gonna body him, and now I'm gonna say, maybe if you had two hands to go a lot easier for you.

I had a little something in my arsenal up the top and then all of a sudden didn't go the way I wanted.

But I will say we played Tampa the next year.

I remembered that play and I watched that play over and over again.

He didn't get my ass in the game.

So it's called learning.

That's called learning.

Someone who's also learned.

A man from Ohio was in the rap game for a long time.

Something happened between him and M and M all of a sudden changes the genres and revitalizes punk pop, and now he is the official twenty twenty five c ifb Anthem.

Let's even n a plus for MGK single handedly bringing back the greatest genre of the two thousands, the greatest.

I think that's not arguable, right, what's you doing now?

All right?

Jack?

Well?

Sorry, I don't know that crazy.

I don't know that's crazy.

Say it again.

Some people know what you said.

I said, touching again, touching kids.

Oh my god, dude, I'm yeah.

I think he's doing, like justice, maybe single handedly bringing back pop punk.

That's a crazy statement, MGK.

He and Travis Barker brought back that genre.

There were people doing that, but they were the faces and the voices that brought that genre back.

Now you got Black one two out there killing it.

You got five black guys doing a pop punk music and they rip, shout out paradox, They rip, and they I've seen them do a live show, like a little clip of them, and they make jokes.

They reference the fact that they're black.

With they make jokes, they make jokes.

About them being black when any too.

I love it.

But you're saying, MGK, the white man is bringing it back.

Yeah, okay, I am JP.

Black guys can get mad about Elvis Presley about you know, they do cool ship that we take the cool shit.

It's no long cool shit, so they have to make new cool ship and then we know we try do that cool shit.

White guys have been pretty steady on the pop punk.

We've been pretty steady.

We've been right.

That's that's that's our fastball, true, that's our fastball.

And MGK, it started a putter and MGK brought it back.

Don't break up, Jimmy Hendricks.

Jimmy Hendricks on the screen, don't.

Play up, don't do that that's the day.

That's rock.

That was gonna say.

Song of the season is MGK Song of the Season, MGK college football.

Can we played ten seconds of it?

Play ten seconds of it?

I don't know if we're allowed to.

You know, Will hasn't heard it.

We can't play under I.

Saw the little theme, yeah, I saw the little.

Reel touch for the guys in the back who can not hear.

I know Taylor's opinion on the song is a song good Yeah.

With the reel that it's doing, like the little high video, it just gets you excited about college football coming back.

It's very good energy.

It's not like a some motivating song, but it's like a good, feel good let's get excited.

Let's get excited for college game Day.

I'm back on Saturday's big noon kickoff, just getting in the spirit of college football.

What do you think it has been the best college football anthem that they that there's.

Been work, Come in to your city.

That's the college game.

Play get talls and saying you what comes for some?

That's the college game.

We need, we need to.

Know, we would need to see you pull up a few.

That I remember one was central last centuries was by fall that boy walk on water by thirty seconds to Mars.

Those two, those two I remember.

I can't think of the others because they've been doing it for like Damn Near ten years.

Now, Damn Damn near, Damn Near.

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If you want Inside the Bus to open the live show.

I did see like that.

I said that.

I like that.

Just give us like ten minutes, man, yeah, just ten, maybe twelve.

We'll play back in there too.

You guys want to open?

Yeah, I think it'd be fun.

Yeah.

Inside the Bus opens, Yeah, I think that's awesome.

That'd be great.

It's the boys, Yeah.

But we secretly have Jared walkout first and then no one follows them, so it's just Jared.

That would be elite.

That would be elite.

We can think, think of something.

You know, he's listening to this.

Somebody's gonna send it to.

Him, and no way he listens to the intro.

He does if we talk about him.

He got a guy.

He's got a guy that shoots him.

What says a guy?

Man?

He probably does.

Yeah, the live show is going to be incredible.

That weekend will be insane.

It'll be a lot of fun.

It'll also be very tight, very a lot of tightness going on.

Me versus y'all, me versus the bus, Taylor, what means you have Matt Malone with you, Taylor versus the bus.

Taylor and Nebraska versus Michigan.

Yeah, the most Taylor verse the bus in off this bus.

It is the bus.

I'm sitting in right now.

It's Taylor versus the bus.

I understand what you're trying to do.

And at the end of the day, it is Michigan versus Nebraska.

I can't put the wing helmet on, although I wish I absolutely could, just to take a couple more heads.

Yeah, it's my wife.

And that's also the theme song from Good About the Ugly.

If you guys are wondering, Yeah, it's gonna be a hell of a day.

I literally am so excited for that.

I'm so excited.

And then as soon as that's over, dude, it's spooket.

Ober exactly right there, It's Spook.

Spooketober.

Dude.

Right now, we're what fifty eight days away If you're listening to this episode on Tuesday, we're shooting this on Friday.

So at sixty one days, I'm trying to carry the one a little bit.

Is it fifty eight fifty seven days right now?

Well, I looked it up right before we started the show.

Show and it's not that impressive.

I will say this about Spootober.

It's an amazing time.

It's incredible.

I got bad luck during Spootober.

Is anything my right knees got bad luck during Spootober twenty twenty.

What happened?

Your boy tears it against Houston Texans.

Have to get surger.

You have to be in Principula, Florida for a knee all right, twenty twenty two, first week of Spootober.

I have to get my knee fixed from the first surgery.

Now fast forward to twenty twenty five.

Your boy has trial for his knee starting on Spootober twentieth.

Oh, I have two options.

I have two options.

I cut my right leg off and just say, hey, you're not running my Spootober.

Oh.

I'm going to make the conscious decision when I'm in Pittscola, Florida, when this trial is going down.

We still make time for the spook We still get after it because the end of the day, you are what you do on a daily basis.

And if I want to truly embrace Spootober, I need to be Spootober this year.

I need to be it Yeah, are we going to hit a hunt house this year?

We got to hit a big movie.

I feel like there's some good scary movies coming.

There's coming out in September.

Yes, yeah, I think it's the final iteration.

Yeah.

Also, twenty eight years Later is coming out?

Is it this year?

I might have to wait to watch that Spootober one because I want to kind of see twenty eight days, weeks and then finally years because that I heard.

I'm not a big ratings guy Rotten Tomatoes guy, but I love the fact that it has one hundred percent.

I opened up thing honestly.

But I have seen some things on Twitter.

Apparently some of the ombies in this movie are hung no ship, like like McGregor, yeah, discussing.

Yeah, so I'm excited to watch it?

Yeah, Yeah, I didn't they give anybody an excitement to watch it?

Yeah.

Weapons looks like a spooky one weapons awesome.

It already debuted one hundred on Rotten Tomatoes.

But what about the critics?

The critics or not critics?

What about the audience.

Score won't come out until it's actually hit box office, but the critics scores one hundred, That is, to me is my most anticipated movie of the year.

I think I have such high expectations, then if it lets me down, I'll.

You'll cut off your right leg.

You're a big You're a big ratings guy.

Are you talking about spooky movies?

You know, like if you get like a seventy five, it is essentially like an ELI.

If you're if you get a seventy five or seven point five on IMDb with the audience in a scary genre like you're cooking with gas?

Got you?

You're cooking gas?

Alright?

I like the I don't like to be pressed by other opinions when it comes to my spooky viewing pleasures, So I get worried about the ratings.

On the note of reviews, Uh, the New Naked Gun movie?

Did you hit record?

Hit recording?

Okay, ombies are the new Naked The New Naked Gun, though, had one hundred percent on Rotten Tomatoes with Liam Neeson.

Really yeah, I don't think I've even seen.

The original Naked Gun, so I don't know if there's many people listening being like that's Cardinal Sin, but I want to go see that.

I've heard really good things about it, so.

I'm not as big.

I'm not a big critics Rotten Tomato.

Oh yeah, no, no Audio is a man of the people because people think.

Yeah, I'm somebody who's very easily entertained.

So I pretty much enjoy damn near every movie.

But I'd just like to know where where it sits at, to know if I should be like if this is going to be a banger, or if it's rated lowly and I'm watching it, if it's ready lowly with the audience and I'm watching it, It's like I can in my mind, on my eye, can see how they got there.

Transfers, movies aren't rated that high on IMDb in their gas exactly.

That's what I'm saying.

I enjoyed pretty much any movie I'm watching.

It takes a lot to make it go of that movie.

So yeah, I just like knowing, like, Okay, I can see how they I can see how they got to that.

You know a movie I saw recently, No Country for Old Men, Oh wow, I actually recently just watched it for the first time.

There's like twenty minutes left in the movie.

I had to stop and to put my kids to sleep, and I'm I think I'm already sending out text like have you seen this movie.

This movie is absolutely incredible.

I hated the ending of that movie, The Cow Gun.

Yes, I hated the end of that movie.

Did you I mean, obviously you guys are Your eyes got real big when I say I watched it the first times, you like, Yeah, one of the best villains ever.

I think the writing of Woody Harrell said.

All the guys are awesome.

They all do an amazing job in that movie.

I didn't like the way the movie ended.

Did you guys feel that same way?

Or you guys were totally fine?

People like psychiatrists have done, uh, like studies and stuff on that movie.

Movie?

And who's the guy who's the actor's name, Javr bar Damn?

Yeah, who plays a villain.

His character is.

The closest thing there's ever been to like a psychopath in a movie.

Yeah, I've seen that same stuff.

I'm saying.

I love the characters, I love the storyline, I love the movie.

But the ending, I was like, I feel like it does a disservice.

I forget it.

Uh.

One of the other things it does that piss a lot of people off is it killed the protagonists off screen, which is crazy.

Yeah, I'd forgotten about that dude.

Yes, that pissed me off too.

I was like all the and sorry spoilers, but yeah, it's like Josh Brolins.

All of a sudden, it's like, yeah, we found this dead body in this motel room.

Paso, Texas.

It's like, yo, can we like this guy's been hunting that guy for how long?

Yeah?

And he just gets murked and we're like, damn, I'm making myself.

That's fucking wild.

It's crazy.

I literally paused it like right before that to put my children down.

I'm thinking, I cannot wait to finish this movie.

And then that happens and I'm like, that's a little fucking weird.

And then the scene where he sees the girl and she's like I know you're here, blah blah blah, and then he walks out the door.

I like that part where it's like, it's the wife.

Correct, it's the wife, Yes she was.

I knew you'd be here eventually that I think that what's the villain's name again, Javier Bardaan Bardam, Javier Bardem.

I thought he I loved them, but then when he leaves, I mean, we're already giving spoilers.

And the car accident happens.

He's like sticking out of his arm.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

The kids give him the mister, mister, are you okay?

And he's like, give me your shirt and he like takes the shirt and he puts it, wraps around and walks off.

And then it goes to the sheriff given like a five minute monologue about a dream he had that doesn't make any sense to me.

And then and then the movie's over.

Mm hmm, make it makes sense?

Sure, gol it, gol it.

That's one of probably the best scenes in the movie.

Call it What are we calling?

Where are we playing for?

Yeah?

And then just gets murged no he lives.

Oh he does live, but the cop doesn't.

Yeah.

It's a great movie.

Terrible ending that got me into.

Well.

Will was talking about how it's easy, it's easy for him to watch a movie and not be upset by.

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Talk about some rage bait potentially out there right now, Terry McLaurin asking for a trade.

That's a trade.

Titans title Parsons too, Yeah, Michael Parsons too.

That's I was surprised with Terry McLaurin when I thought he was happy out there.

Maybe I think it's all coming down to contract stuff.

Maybe he's ustering, but to me, it's like, we gotta make him.

Michael Parsons made sense because you see Miles Garrett, Max Crosby, a handful of other guys signed the largest NFL contract, non quarterback NFL contract in history, over.

And over and over again.

It kind of just keeps on going, and here's send him Michael Parsons.

He's with them in that same reason about who's the best pass rushers right now?

Michael Parsons.

His name's always brought up, and you got.

Jared Jones out there in the pressers talking about do what Michael?

What did he call Michael one of.

His press conferences.

I could have been his accent or he could have just called them Michael, but he was like, yeah, Michael Parsons.

He's talking about like paying guys.

He took like a subtle shot at deck at Dak Prescott.

Maybe Micah too.

He talks about paying guys.

And you know, we only had him for X amount of games last year.

But I could see Michael wanting to get out of that, get out of Dallas.

He took what right, right, So I could see him wanting to get out of Dallas.

Terry scary.

Terry just surprises me.

Just I didn't know it was.

It got to a spot to where he's publicly requesting requesting a trade.

That's also a wild time to be requesting a trade after getting your franchise quarterback and like going to the NFC Championship game.

And then actually your team actually getting better on paper as well.

Debo, maybe he's gonna get less balls, maybe he's worried about that.

I think they're for security.

I'm going to just give them the ball and be like, hey go and he gets after it.

Terry's doing to take the top off and just absolutely push all the backfield away from everything so then you can take it down to Debo.

But I think I think Terry is just looking for some financial security and he's not getting what he wants.

But buddy, you have an opportunity to make something massive happen in Washington, and everything you've said about the Washington media, the fan base, like they've been begging for this, begging for it.

Their position will I think it's the Eagles in that division, Yeah, all day long.

Yeah, they were I think the Giants step.

I think a Giants tak the step step this year, there's not going to be I don't know if they're gonna be a playoff team, but something about Scatabo and Dart, I need them to be a like ridiculous.

Yes, I got scat Bo on the preseason the watch list going to start though, I don't know, I think, but I'm watching.

I'm watching clips of Jackson, Dart and Scatterbo walk out together.

They're wearing opposite jerseys.

They have nice little banter, and it's like, I like these two to be the faces of my franchise if I'm the Giants, I like this to happen.

I like Scatabo to run a free You.

See some of the yeah aliens, right.

I don't know, how do you think like that?

That that dark scatter bow.

They just got a couple of guys out there.

I really into.

The Giants.

A good starting running back and Tyrone Tracy too.

He was a rookie last year, like was a wide receiver transfer or switch to running back.

He's he's a pretty good player too.

They need just need a healthy offensive line, for sure.

They need a lot of things.

They did a lot of things.

They could like they'll improve, But I mean, who they who?

They gonna jump over the cow.

They're not jumping They're gonna be fourth.

But I think they'll improve as a franchise.

Will They'll They'll get done with their season and be like, hey, obviously you know what we want, but I think we're taking steps in the right direction.

Would you take over and wins?

What's that?

Would you take over?

It depends what it is.

You can pull that up for me right now.

I'll say this about Russell Wilson as well.

I've talked to people that were at the Broncos with him and they were kind of like, really anti him.

The way he came in, the way he acted, his attitude, and towards the end of his stint there you could see a little more humility, a little more he can see where he went wrong.

So if he still is trending that way, that'd be great for Russell, who's had all the experience, won super Bowls, has had a great career to get a guy like Jackson Dart and teach him a couple of things, because Jackson's got that you got something about him, you know, he got a little something about him.

Yeah, it'd be interesting.

What on the FanDuel Sportsbook analyzing wins pull up their schedule.

I'm gonna I'm gonna feel that one out a little bit.

Five and a half wins.

I'm gonna feel that.

My gut says under.

My gun says under.

Commander's L Cowboys, L, Chiefs, L Chargers, L Saints, dub Eagles, L Broncos L Eagle.

Yeah, we're going under.

They're going under.

They got a schedule, they got a guy.

So when I think when they finished the season, they're gonna look and be like, that was a tough schedule we're getting Yeah, And I think you have a schedule like that with some defenses that are on that schedule, there might be a time whe're like, hey, let's go the rookie in there and see what he can do a little bit.

If he shows a little bit of improvement, you can have that Will Lewis vibe that the Titans had a year ago where it's like we got something here, boys.

But yeah, let's go under on that five and a half.

Yeah, men out there, you think Jackson Dart's showing up five am every day?

No, Like, okam Ward.

Cam Ward is saying and doing all the right things right.

Now his film.

I'm excited to watch him.

Yeah.

The juicy ist cam ward video out there right now is when he's going back and forth the Big Jeff.

One that Callahan is talking about how he's he's talking ship while Callen's called the play and then talk ship and then still says the playout loud.

That's a that's a veteran ship right.

Well, he's doing what he's telling Jeff.

No, no, Big Jeff is talking ship to cam Wore.

Cam Warden is talking ship back.

While this interaction is happening, Callahan is in the green dot giving him the play.

He finishes talking ship and said the things he wanted to say to Jeff while also retaining the play.

Goes in the huddle, says the play and it's smooth.

Yeah, that is the type of ship that gets you juiced up.

And it's like he's a little bit disrespected on the Madden.

He comes in, he goes, good things come to those who work.

Matden the next day goes, I feel like we funked up after he dropped that bar on us.

So they jump him up to seventy two, which.

Is still give me e a again.

I think mad in them that I think they do a great job of getting like trolling the world.

I agree, I agree.

It seems like Cam is one of the least talked about first overall picks of all time.

As a Titans fan, that's where you want to sit right now.

You want no media, you want know nothing.

I don't think we have any primetime games this year?

Do we?

No?

Zero ero ero, And you're actually where you want.

To be as a Titans fan.

Wake up early, get ready for your noon slate game, and just watch the world slowly incrementally get better.

So maybe next year got one or two of them boys, But you want to live in the shadows right now, Dan, you're strong in the darkness.

Week fourteen, we're undefeated.

Flexus if you're yeah, yeah.

It's fair and we will be undefeated.

So go ahead and NFL.

Say, well, I'm not on the team anymore.

I do support and love the Titans a lot.

I do support and love the Titans quite a bit.

It's just one of those things that's like you want them to do well.

I feel like I do in my mind.

I do a better job of being unbiased when it comes the NFL, because that's one of the most recent tuned.

You can kind of like sit in the locker room be like, this is the team we have, and you know, like what the expectation is kind of what you're ceiling is.

And I remember being in college being like, We're gonna win the Baked champion I'm coming back from my senior year because we're gonna win the Baked Championship.

Fast forward six and six buffal Wah Wings Bowl, Right, so you just kind of live in a world of delusion.

Kate in my pool being like, we're Vanderbilt, We're gonna win the national championship, and I'm like, I know you believe that, but I know it's not also not true and it will not happen.

No disrespect to the Vanderbilt, but what it.

Is there, but just one more thing on.

Campbell, just with the one liners.

Today It's Friday, man.

You know we don't catch a lot of Friday true intros.

But when it all shakes out and the dust settles in about a decade.

Is gonna go Warn Moon three, Steve McNair two, cam Ward one, great greatest QBS and Titans free.

I love the excitement, optimism and I and I.

Very welcome get crushed Week one.

He throws a pick, you know, first drive.

I love how Jack just said all that and said my dreams could go down the tank in the first game of the season.

This is this is the first time I have felt so optimistic about a player, like actually confident, like every year Denver blindly optimistic.

Yeah, I know that Mile High City bro.

Yeah dude, we we played in September.

We played week one in Denver.

Yes, that ship sucks to.

Breathe only been in camp ten days.

Yeah, and easy ten days too.

That back ten days are the easiest ten days, the best in the league.

Yeah, oh bo Nicks taking that year two step Sean Payton.

They'll for sure have growing pains.

But as far as like optimism for the player that Cam wore could be, it is sick being on the ground level getting that.

It seems like the team has good chemistry right now.

Like they're having fun.

Yes, it's also exciting.

Yeah yeah, camp.

Ward and Big Jeff, Jeff Vin Ridley and the Cobs with the boys do a little cannonball in the cold tub.

That's another thing.

We Oh yeah, there's definitely things I miss, But I'm saying like I'm thankful that I'm not out in the I'm thankful I'm not doing it anymore.

I left it, I emptied the tank.

I left no doubt.

Every ounce of my being is out there on the field.

Yeah.

Here one eleven, we come with an empty cup.

He's been interact He's been interacting with a ton of our posts on socials.

So get him on Jack, all right, Calvin, come on, man, come on, dude.

You used to play for this team, and I didn't play when you host this punch.

Yeah, but he knows who you are.

They got a statue of you in the parking lot in that wheelchairs.

Some rulers flying around the Titans and bust.

The boys might be doing some stuff together this year.

Whispers, whippers, they're just whispers, whispers.

Are you gonna like say we then, are you gonna say like busting?

Yeah, we are gonna be gonna be out there.

We will be with Titan, the Titans getting after it.

We are the Titans.

Yeah, we are to be.

The Titans or now.

Yeah, that's what we all know.

It took a couple of years to get him.

We with Michigan, it'll take a couple of years.

If the Titans were winning the Super Bowl would say we too.

Yes, I don't disagree with any of the things you guys are saying.

I'm, for whatever reason, don't know.

Probably have to break it down, not when in the middle of a podcast of why I'm not saying we.

But I have a harder time getting too we.

Maybe it's fresh.

Maybe I did get cut a couple of years ago.

Maybe I'm in camp.

I'm just talking about how I miss it.

I'm a little sad right now.

Who knows.

Yeah, I think you applied for an extra roll as a ombie in that movie and you.

Didn't get it, and you didn't get it.

You know what, I didn't get it too out there, so I looked around the fun I ain't gonna get to cut in this thing.

Yeah, Jesus Christ, what's going on here with these boys?

Man?

All block ombies?

Man?

Yeah, she talk about how excited we are to go on our little tour.

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So next week we'll be doing We got a little four day trip planned and we will be hitting.

Yeah, we leave Sunday, come back Wednesday night, jump around.

We're gonna go to the New England Patriots.

See the Boycoach, Frames.

Braby Stretch, hass Fresh Stretch.

I forgot about stretch.

Can't never forget it, can't forget about you, can't forget about stretch.

Can't forget about Stretch.

Then we jump to Philadelphia.

We'll be doing some interviews in Philly, and then we will go up north, north of the Wall to Buffalo.

Buffalo Bills, Little Josh Allen Action and Billy Bean.

I'll tell you now, I don't fuck with blue cheese.

I hate blue cheese.

I mess with your franchise, I mess with you guys.

I do not I will not touch your blue cheese.

Can I say something ahead?

Yeah, I try it.

I hate I'm going to try it because I'm going to go out to Buffalo with an open mind on this blue cheese.

Maybe I'll hate it, but I'm saying I'm going to go out there with an open mind.

I will try it.

My mind is not.

Yeah, that was a good one.

I needed that one.

I was nervous.

Frank, the head string coach at the Patriots, used to be at Italians.

Yeah.

I told him.

I said, Hey, we're going to be in town Monday.

We get in Sunday.

Is he with the Bills?

He's with the Patriots.

Calls me and he's like, we getting a pumpin or what.

I'm like, yeah, we'll get a pump in Monday morning, So slate us in for that, buddy.

The boys are back at it.

That's awesome.

Frank's other Harold Landry.

Harold Landry's out there, Drake May who's him?

And brother fan of the boy, Bobby Splaine.

I mean loves football.

Yeah, they got a good group of boys out there.

Manon Diggs.

But we'll be hitting Will Campbell, be hitting interviews in New England, Philadelphia and Buffalo.

Those will be coming out, you know.

We will through the month of all Yeah, through the month of August.

Yeah, little vlog, fun, little vlog.

Yeah, it's gonna be a good time.

Man, just kicking off our fall, Dude, this is kind of This is like a little appetizer, is like an appetizer before the big kickoff August twenty nine.

How do you think Rabe is going to go about our sit down with him?

I think it's gonna go exactly like you think it is.

We will both be more nervous than we usually are for a podcast.

He will make some off putting comments to us as jokes.

We will receive them we will think about say anything like Taylor, looks like you're too skinny.

Now it's like, yeah, Rape looks like you took all my weight.

I'll think that, and then I won't say that because at the end of the day, it's still Rapes.

So that's how I think it's gonna go.

Okay, how do you think it's gonna go?

Yeah, I think everything you're saying.

I'm actually excited to sit down.

I'm excited to like not a lot of not a lot of nerves is trying to figure out where he's gonna go because if he says the uh, Taylor looks like you lost a lot of waiter, makes a skinning joke, I'll now be able to you know how it gets.

It's like, okay, now I'll go team Braves and yeay, Taylor was going to say this about you goes very Yeah.

I don't doubt that at all.

But you know, dude, it'll be it'll be interesting to see him in his element there.

And with Rabel, it's always like it's always on Rabel's terms, like we kind of have to figure out what mood Rabel's in that day.

I think he's gonna be in a great movie.

I think he is too.

I think he's excited.

I think he's excited.

He'll sit down, uh twenty bucks says.

He says, Daddy's home is his first thing when he sits on the bus or sits in the chair.

Yeah, that he made us.

Yeah, all those things will come.

Yeah, you guys are welcome all the success my career.

I mean he took shot at the Manning Brothers for us.

He goes, we're funnier, less successful versions of the Mannings.

It was a shot.

Yeah, it was a shot.

I thought that those I thought it was.

And we are less successful than the Manning brothers.

Yeah, yeah, you're shooting them.

I think he was hitting them funnier, he said.

Yeah, we said.

I thought he gave us a compliment.

Yeah, compliment, just a fact.

Would love you froom with him.

You love to sit in a team meeting and to see him talk to them boys.

I'll just run the team meeting for him, because I want to know what version of Arabel are we seeing twenty eighteen first year of Mike Rabel when he was trying to turn the culture around, or were sitting like a twenty twenty twenty one where it's a little more relaxed.

He understands the product's about to put on the field with the boys.

Yeah, Patriots could be dangerous this year.

It would be they could be dangerous.

They would be Buffalo in that division Miami.

But then out of yeah Miami, the Miami traded and.

Traded Jayalen Rams around their other corner just got a c L just towards a cl.

So every everybody in their secondary training camp, everybody in their secondary no one was there last year.

So Miami's already dealing with a couple of issues.

There you got Buffalo, who's just an absolute juggernaut.

I keep thinking this.

I have to look more into it, but I think this is the Bill's year.

I feel like it is.

And then the Jets are gonna Jet.

I agree with that.

I think the I think New England's got a shot to be the two.

I think New England has a shot to be the two as well.

Because the Dolphins it's like they had a skiddy last year.

Toua has health issues their back end.

It sounds like they're having a lot of hard times.

There a lot of people coming at his Veneers to us.

Yeah, booka Shells they said was that a garrett or was that a you read that somewhere.

Yeah, he's got some nice new veneers.

Look at that's a good smile.

This is a show that's about veneers.

We support veneers.

We support Veneers.

Maybe Christmas gift for all the boys in the back, just to make them all get veneers.

I'll take it'd be a great, great gift from you.

You know what, I wouldn't mind a little something.

Yeah, I see Ernest walking around sometimes he's.

Got like didn't you.

Oh yeah, I wanted a grill.

I wanted like one of those custom mouthpieces that was a grille because I never really wore a mouthpiece.

I wanted to be kept thinking to myself, white guy from Cave Creek, Arizona, tatted, dark visor and a grill.

I think that's hilarious, your riff raff.

Yeah, I never got to do it though.

That's where you miss it, man, You need that grill.

I will say it was funny the first time that I was here in rabel came on the bus because you guys were like hyping it up big time, and I'm like, oh, this is gonna be epic, and I was not thinking of coach player relationship at all, and right when everybody sits down, it just kind of goes quiet, and y'are like, how's it going?

This is not what I thought this was gonna go at all.

I thought they were boys with him.

You know that respect is respect that yeah, And it is very much like Rabel decides how the conversation is gonna go.

So like you start making jokes to really, he'll flip up and go serious on you, and you're like all right, and then it's like really when he's ready to be funny, and it's like, all right, I guess we'll joke around now.

Also, the last time he came on, he kind of cooked you with that trash bag bit.

Do we try and formulate something as a I don't know what it would be.

Whatever it is, we have to keep it quiet.

We can't say he's a stretches watching right now for that cut this cut it right, the brave episode, all right, enjoy the raible interview.

Retarded.

Oh Ship.

Could bring like a trash game like hey you guys forgot this, or a trash bag like yeah you forgot this in Tennessee, like we just wanted to make sure you got it, like kind of just it's the same joke, but like, yeah.

We could do that, but I don't know.

I don't think we have enough room on the plane.

I just don't know if you want to reuse that joke like on him and be like, oh that's cute, but he'd.

Get it, he'd get over something.

That's what I'm saying.

He probably is going to be ready for war.

We should give him a bag of pink like dust go on?

Did she?

Stevon Diggs might be never mind?

Maybe I just hit like, uh getting the Verbel fits and then we're just like ripping a jewel like as he sits down.

I think we should get in a Rabel fit before this podcast for sure.

That actually would be hilarious.

Yeah yeah, just vest forget you already both got the mustache.

Figure out what he's wearing that day and being.

On it wrote on the top of the shirt, Oh yeah, I have.

A perfectly good busting shirt, is what he did.

I miss.

I hope Gen comes.

She's not gonna be there, I asked, really, yeah, damn, it's gonna be good.

Seah.

He he hit me up because he and Stretcher watching film.

I don't know how they got across his clip.

But it was when you know, I forced him recover the fumble against the Detroit Lions and like at the goal line, he's like stretches, trying to tell me you force his fumble, but Daykon day Kwon loosened it up before you got there.

He's right.

I ended up getting credited with the stat.

Day Kon was pissed after the game.

He's like, hey, I caused it, Phone, I know, but you're gonna get the stat.

And I was like, yeah, well, what you caused the fumble?

I'm saying I'm acknowledging that you cause them fumble.

He's like, yeah, but you on social media everbody's gonna think you did it.

But I don't know what you want me to say.

Of course I'm gonna hype it up.

Let men, I love what's he doing now?

He's still playing, isn't he?

I don't think so.

He was on the bills last year just put day Kwon Jones, he put his.

Daykon still playing?

Sure?

What kind of so can you go to?

All?

Can we see if he's still playing?

Jesus?

Sure, Sherman's got no problem putting up all the most weird stuff in the world.

Yeah, yeah, we need some information here.

Sure, are you looking it up?

Okay, he's with the Bills.

Yeah, we'll see him when we're in Buffalo.

Then go sure what else, dude?

Our internship has come to a close.

Yeah, that's a great fun.

I'm trying.

Actually just texted clubs that bring cheese on the bus.

Yeah.

It's his last day.

Yeah.

So we had five interns and we hired three of them.

That's a big that's big.

We we had expectations of hiring one for social but the boys are leaving with three big cheese.

He's what cheese is what?

Nineteen years old?

He's got to go back to school.

He was.

He was talking about It's like, buddy, you gotta you don't sacrifice everything the joined bus with the boys right now.

You gotta Yeah, you gotta go back to school.

That feels like forever.

You have to have a degree to get the job.

Yeah, yeah, yoh, gotta have Are you gotta have a degree?

Acad's in camp.

We hired Matt Malone, chef Jack and Borrow.

Good group of boys, man, good group, And that is the most busting thing ever to be like, well, maybe hire one guy and then they're all great.

We're like, well, all right, we got it.

We can't gotta have this.

Guy made him, made themselves invaluable.

There was something that happened.

Was it two days ago where Soul Matt Malone is essentially under Jack?

But then they then they raced weird and Matt, I believe, beat you in a race.

Yeah, by like a little bit.

I think.

I think if you Matt reached out with his hand, you went ahead.

But I think it would have been a tie.

If and I'm wearing vans, running at thirty years old, no warm up.

Thirty uphill, I think it would have been a tie.

He was faster than I thought he would be.

I got Jack on the field though, for sure.

You do JP.

Yeah, is this big cheese, big cheddar, Come on here, big cheddy cheese.

Send them in a chair, bro, what's going on?

We're just talking about how we were talking about recapping the internship and how it was your last day.

Yeah, it's been crazy.

Did you learn a lot?

Yeah?

I did.

I did learn a whole bunch from these guys.

In the they did the most recent bus things.

I thought you did a hell of a job.

Thank you appreciate it.

It took a lot of time.

Shout out JP for helping the kid out, but yeah, it's been awesome.

Who wrote those note cards?

Was that JP's questions?

Were those your questions?

We we collabed on it.

Yeah, yeah, I would say he came up with a couple of really good ones.

Yeah, we collab when you were on uh it's called inside the bus now, when we were on inside the bus, you we sat down with the boys and they said, give me one word to describe each guy sitting here.

Can you go, what was your original words for the guys, and then what is your new word for them?

I stayed pretty respectful, as you should.

I might have gave Garrett some grief.

I don't know what I I don't I don't remember I did say, Mitch, I said, hyphenated big ass head.

Yeah, I thought that was oh, I said, yeah, Jack was always on Twitter hyphenated Yeah.

From moving forward, I think I think Garrett would just be helpful.

Jarrett's a very helpful guy.

Whenever I need him.

We have, Hey, we're growing.

JP.

JP's open minded, very open minded guy.

Jack.

He keeps saying it under his breath, too.

Go ahead, Mitch.

Still he's he's still got a big guys head.

Yeah, as long as he can go.

Uh sirm's gotta be goofball, terms a big goofball.

And then Jack Yeah always on Twitter.

You're still always on Twitter?

Man?

Yeah?

Still?

Or how about your mentor Jared, how do you feel about him?

How's a process been of him teaching you?

He has been amazing every single question.

I feel like I was peppering him all the time with like random questions and just like things that get can get kind of repetitive.

But he did a really good job with us and we made we we bonded really well, really fast, because I feel like our stories are kind of similar when it comes to get in a really cool internship opportunity early on in our careers.

And yeah, we bonded very quickly.

And I feel like he did a killer job with all of us for sure.

Nice.

So, yeah, he helped me.

He helped me grow and learn a lot.

We're gonna miss you, bro, You're a boy for life.

Yeah, we're gonna miss you, I thought.

I thought.

Overall, just the internship itself was an incredible learning experience for us.

I hope you guys get a lot out of it too, but it was kind of new for us Chartered Waters.

Right, and we kind of did just decide to do this internship.

We had like a little with the two boys from Michigan, a little like you know, okay, let's see how it kind of feels is dip our toe and went full on board and it was like, all right, Jared, you run this entire thing.

Yeah, And I thought Jared did a great job, did a great job.

Could have picked a better group of boys, Yeah, Alu bay man.

That first day we walked in, when we were I was looking around, I was like, they brought five new guys, and there's gotta be one odd one.

I mean, Matt's got his own thing going on.

But you picked five amazing guys.

Jared did a great job hiring us.

So yeah, you crushed it.

Man.

You've been with us for two months now, away from home.

Are you excited to get back home?

I am super excited to get back home, back to back see my family, see my friends and everything.

But a little bit of.

My heart's gonna be left in Nashville here.

That's beautiful man for cheese.

Before we send them.

Off, I was gonna say, what was some of your favorite moments from the summer, because we did some cool ship this amazing summer.

Obviously that first day coming in and just like Will and Taylor just caught like just calmly saying, yeah, we're gonna throw you guys on the bus really quick, and I was just like freaking out, Like I don't recall that at all, freaking out.

But obviously tighten you was an awesome week.

Yeah we did.

We did go over.

We did hang out Mitch's house.

Yeah we did.

We did.

We did watch the fights to Jack's.

Yeah.

I had a great time.

I feel like you guys really brought me in and I the brunch too.

Yeah we had a killer.

We had a killer somewhere.

But yeah, you guys just taking me in and and taught me a lot.

So I had a great had a great time.

It's been sick, dude, It's been a lot of fun.

For sure.

We did come a long way from that first time you were on inside the bus.

Yes we did.

He did kind of.

He grilled cheese me.

The first experience with cheese.

I walked up, uh in that little area where the old beer punk stuff is.

You guys have made like a little office for them, and I grabbed his hat and I put it on, and she goes, we fucking are fighting.

You know where cowboys hat?

What what are you talking about?

He took my hat?

Cowboy.

Yeah, he took my hat and put it on.

Just big dog me and I just met him like the first time we fucking or fight.

Don't take a cowboys hat, no.

Doubt about it.

Well, jeez, we appreciate you, man.

You did a great job.

You were awesome, man boy for life's giving.

Men appreciate boys, big Chetta.

Oh you fucking sun you twice back to back.

That's how he did.

That's what he did on Man get him at.

That's what he did on his first day he did.

Man.

Yeah, dude, great internship.

Good three group of guys, two and a half.

Good group of guys coming in staying with bus.

Matt's got his Matt's got his own bag.

Man.

He is literally the only guys supporting Michigan with you.

That's that's not true.

Coop is.

Have you talked to about.

It or about training bride?

He was kind of.

Dude.

I'm not taking anything away from Nebraska.

Nebraska Lincoln is awesome.

Fan base is great.

The stadiums, the people are awesome.

I think my team's better than your team.

That's it.

I love Will, I love the bread, that's all.

And we're gonna find that September twentieth, when I'm the only one on that plane flying back with a big ass smile on my face, you're all gonna feel dumb.

But Matt, Matt's got his own bag, dude.

Matt's got his own little deal going on right now.

Matt, Yeah, yeah, he's got And I told him after two because when you guys raced, you guys walked in.

I keep hearing people saying, Matt, you cheated, you cheated, blah blah blah.

And he's just like, my arm's along, I don't cheat whatever he was saying.

Yeah, Well he also he said fuck like seven times around my kids, which the first time is funny, but it's like, hey, we can do that.

Second time is like I get it.

We all make mistakes, third, fourth, fifth, sixth, seven times.

My brother, what are we doing?

And he's yelling at too, but I brought him in.

I was like, hey, come here, I go.

I don't know what bit you're doing, but like the right now, this first six months you haven't busting with the boys is going to be the bed that you are going to have to sleep in.

So how do you want to represent yourself to these guys?

Because eventually it'll just be there'll be the evidence.

I'll be like, how's Matt.

Matt's like this, No, I'm not, here's the evidence.

And I was like, you got to realize the bed you're kind of making for yourself right now because I'm watching it, I'm just like like, this is a young ass cat.

But then I see the what is it under the hood?

Everyone's like, what's your pet?

Peeve?

Matt goes JP.

The rest of them go Matt, So let's see, let's see what we're doing.

Matt.

Yeah, a lot of potential, a little bit uh And at the end of the day, he's my guy, So like I you know, me and him.

I was like that too at a younger age, and then you turn thirty and you grow up.

You know, you turn thirty and grow up just like that seven years.

No, but I do think he's he's like a good punching bag.

He takes a joke well, but like there's some of the ship he says, just like so out of pocket you're like dog like, I don't know if you live in like a perpetual bit or if you are literally just a huge douchebag.

Right, and I link it's half and half.

But I love the yet of Dad.

But buddy, if you were, if.

You're, guys got to love on him.

His family's watching.

That, no doubt, And we're trying to get this fam in a calm and be like, hey, sounds like they.

Do anytime we mentioned them.

But yeah, and if, like Matt is a guy that is good at taking a joke, that's great.

But eventually, if you become the guy that's always the butt of the joke, it hurts eventually, Mitch am I right, yeah, I mean, fuck, how often have you been like on the boat of every joke And it's like, yeah, it's fun for a little bit, but then it's like, holy shit.

I mean I've just gotten used to it at this point three years in.

I mean, it is what it is, and like, but Matt seems more He's like, dude, I don't know what you guys are even saying, like where is this even coming from.

It's like, Matt, you put this on yourself.

I don't know if I necessarily put it on myself.

I said, that's a really good thing that's happened for you, no doubt.

Yeah, no dout.

But just let that dog lie.

Okay, I do like Matt just say, well, I I worry about him.

I worry about him a bit.

I got a bunch of sharks back here that I get his ass.

He the last thing I'll say about him, he said, just a classic Matt euphemism today where he's like, yeah, I'm meeting with my ex girlfriend and I haven't seen her eight months.

He goes, things have just been too good recently.

He just I need some chaos in my life.

I was like, you up with He's like, no, no.

No, I just just stirre the pot a little.

I was like, dog, what are you doing.

I swear to God, I heard that exact thing come out of your mouth.

I'm telling you reformed.

I swear I've heard Jack say that before.

Yeah.

Yeah, I mean I'm laying out the footprints for him right, And he's got seven years until he's got to figure his ship out.

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Until everything was ready, We got got it?

Yeah, okay, so ready to go.

You're talking brave stories.

Like the hat.

We got a hat.

You can leave me with a hat.

You're not a big head guy.

It might be I like the rope.

We'll get you, We'll get you.

I like it.

Carter likes them.

Do you remember what you said to me when you when I was late for tea meeting one time?

Yeah?

Thank god you're rich?

And then what happened?

I find you.

Yeah, no other words were I thought abouts it.

It was good and we moved on, and so we're here.

We were early.

I was on time nine to twenty, Stacy, nine to twenty.

Thank you, Stacey.

Welcome to Bust with the boys again, dude, third time.

There's a charm.

Good to see you back on your feet.

Thank you.

Yeah, well I don't think that was ever off my feet, but well, Tennessee, Yeah.

There's like a little Browns consultant.

Consultant.

We've all been fired.

Yeah, shit canned.

Yeah, go ahead, Taylor, Yeah, I don't get scared.

Now ask the hard stuff.

Let's go back on my feet.

What took place in that conversation that led because when the season ended, everyone's like Rave was gonna get extension.

The rumor is that Raves is now going to go from an eighth sheet to actually have a little more of a GM role as well, maybe a little more power in the building.

And then you walked into a meeting and you walk down there, I.

Can know that wasn't a meeting.

That those aren't meetings.

You just get fired.

They just called you and fired you.

No, you walk upstairs.

Yeah, you just handle it.

I just said give me an hour and I'll be out of here.

I want to talk to my staff.

I feel like you.

You wouldn't be a fun guy to to fire.

No, it was meant and they make everybody makes decisions.

And uh I any question.

No, I got the point.

I got the point, get the drift.

So there was never like a hey, what do you think could have happened differently?

A no, no that at that point.

No, there was no Again, it was no discussion.

I heard the message and I just said, give me an hour.

I like to talk to my staff and I'll box my stuff up.

Just spind the cup.

How close were you to coaching in college, because there are rumors throughout not very close.

Not very close.

There are rumors about you potentially being the defensive coordinator at NASA.

Remember when I texted you, I was like, hey.

Yeah, no interest and what I text?

I'd even text back or no, I forget what you No?

Not very close.

No, And I love my time in Cleveland.

I mean I love being on the offensive side of the ball.

I loved just getting back to coaching helped the old line.

You'd have loved it.

You were in there all the time telling guys to wall off on the backside of duo, getting just getting the.

Way inside, inside out, deuce near foot.

It was there anything during that time with Cleveland?

You got to have it there, leverage, man, reach, you take them on the angle, you find them.

Are you running the same offense in Cleveland?

Uh?

There were some similarities.

Yeah, was there a time like uh, just having that year in Cleveland to where you found or reignited some passion that you had that when you were you were at first head coach, all the expectations, all the pressure, and then you kind of just go into a consulting role and kind of having more fun around Cleveland.

I think that that's probably there's some truth to that.

I think there's some reality to that.

I think you realize that you miss it, you know, and that you want to do it, that there's nothing else that you want to do.

Do you have what do you feel like you learned from the first time as the head coach now coming into New England?

Well, I mean I think we learned stuff every day.

I mean, it's just there's gonna be things that come up every day.

Situations, injuries, you know, I mean we always talk about distractions are unavoidable, it's how we we handle them.

And so just staying flexible, staying consistent, you know, focusing on the guys that want to improve, that are taking a message, and those things that sometimes I let the you know, the small majority affect all all the other positive stuff.

Yeah, you'd always say, you can't fuck up my Friday, but sometimes sometimes they try.

No, I mean they tried, Taylor tried and all everybody.

I think sometimes.

I probably did.

But it was a good message.

It was a good tagline.

How did you do that development of you and Jameis Winston running at the start of every practice, So.

They would go routes on air, right, and then they would go and I was like, I can I mean, I could push these guys a little bit, just goofing around.

I'd wait to the last guy throw and take off, run in and just trying to have some fun down there in the Greenbrier down in West Virginia.

Have you ever seen what a spirit that guy has?

I was gonna I ever met a guy you think it's like, you know, two three days in this is a stick, right, yeah?

Three five second a week, two weeks You're like, it's impossible to stay in character.

This long.

This is actually this guy is actor of all time.

Yeah.

I'm like, now this is just a stick and I'm like, nope, this is I loved it.

When did it feel like New England was going to be a real possibility for you?

Well, I mean just going through the process of interviewing and having he's doing teams reach.

Out, He's doing the thing right now, the coach talk.

Yeah, I mean I think after the after the season, like, that's when it heats up, you know what I mean, that's when people call.

How about this?

How about this?

So we get so because the coach?

Yeah, yeah, the interview process everything else.

Are you leaving a good inn?

Are you leaving like after you have a good interview and you're just thinking, Man, what if I be I'm the head coach of the Patriots.

Hey, three banners up there.

You reminded us all the time to work.

No I didn't.

You're not in every single year in this meeting with you guys, you guys would juice it a little bit.

Hey, listen, just stay in front of your guys.

Listen, what do I know I've done for I know that.

Is not true.

Myself imperserrate that.

But but what are you talking about.

Yeah, but legit legit, like whether you're flying back or you're driving and you're just thinking, what if I'm the head coach of the New England Patriots.

Yeah, I mean I think that that goes through and I think that the timing was right, and had opportunity to come back here probably prior as an assistant.

Uh, I didn't feel like that was something that I wanted to do or that was what was best for me at that particular time, And then I think the timing was was right.

Was the inter your process a little bit different with the Patriots because you have the relationship with Craft called them up, say what are you thinking?

No, I mean they were all about they were all about the same.

Yeah, I mean as far as.

Actually I met with Chicago, met with the Jets, and then met with the Patriots, and had talked to other teams, but didn't end up taking those interviews.

Did any other teams offer you.

Offer without an interview?

No, like you you end up talking to those couple of other teams.

Oh No, I mean I think that that after meeting here, I think that it happened pretty quick over the next couple of days.

When you go out to practice and it's like, you know, fans can come in the gen pops watching, they're excited.

Do you ever hear anything about the twenty nineteen season when you Bill Belichick?

Bill Belichick?

No, I mean I don't hear anything about that specifically from the fans.

Yeah, I met people are excited.

I'm glad that they're excited and they come out and it's it's a good environment.

We had a bunch of fans in the stadium on Friday.

It'd be a bunch up there today.

They heard you guys were coming.

They did.

Yeah, they did, said put on the tweet.

I hooked up with your boy Frank.

You ever interview Frank the Tank?

Yeah?

Yeah, how smart that Frank.

He's an encyclopedia.

I mean it was like just couth.

Times you're walking, You're like where you know, where might this go?

We just talked sports.

Yeah, he is an encyclopedia.

Knew everything about all the about the ages that I grew up in.

Brown's back then, every crazy everything that was fun.

What else?

Kids?

Everybody good, everybody's great, man, everybody's great.

You've done with you've done it too?

Or how many more we haven't?

Uh, we're up in the air right now, but we're open to a third one.

We're open to a third one.

How was the la Wan crew?

Do you guys go to Canada?

Went to Canada?

Just got back on the twenty first win.

Willow turned eight and five.

So when does watched Harry Potter for the first time yesterday before we gotten the plane?

What's that maker set?

Third grade?

Yeah?

Third well, second grade?

Second grade?

Held her back, got the wan?

Little wan brain.

Starts reading a little bit.

I said, I think to myself, and you know what, we're gonna do you the favor that never happened for me, and we're gonna hold you back a little bit.

Good.

Yeah, it's it's it's tough because you risk you go again.

You get three girls.

It's Tony do.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And he's the guy that chased.

He was obviously chasing the boy got the twos.

We'll do one.

We have a little football player, okay or not?

Yeah?

And again yeah, kids, just get it right like you did the first time and second.

Time and the second time.

The boys.

Tyler's actually a BC helping out O line intern.

Yeah, yeah, you helped out in the spring and then they asked him to come back help for the season.

So he's grinding, figuring out that, figuring out the old uh.

Grind, Yeah, like just the whole Like you know, when you play, you you don't worry about you see the diagrams, right, you don't realize where those run diagrams came from.

Or where the defense?

Yeah, right, And so it's on visio and he's like that.

The first time I said, hey, all these cards on visio, he goes, I was there for four hours.

I think I got three cards done.

He's like, there's got to be a better way for this.

And then he figured it out, and you know, and then Carter's back in Nashville.

How often is Tyler looking for a job?

What is he doing looking for a job?

He graduated from Tennessee Tech, played baseball, and uh is looking for a job the Pats.

No, he's not coming.

He's not leaving Nashville.

He's not leaving.

He staying.

You know, he ain't trying to get no, he he he loves Nashville.

He he'll be up here for the game.

But he just loves the room.

He went for a summer and was like hanging out.

He would it was awesome.

He know, he's passed chasing jocks around everything else, laundry is Tyler?

Does he pick your brain a lot on the You know, he.

Was asking about coverages.

As an offensive lineman, I think as a young one, you don't really worry too much about coverage, and now that he's drawing cards, he just wants to know, you know, coverages and rotation and whether the week's safety is down or the week's safeties pressuring.

Is he outside the end?

You know, all the things that we would talk about.

You know, I think he's just understanding the game.

I think he's excited about helping the young players.

He was a developmental player and so he's like, I get to work with the threes.

There's some young guys that I think have potential.

So I think that there's some excitement there from from helping those guys.

Does he want to coach coach with you one day?

I don't know about that, you know, I mean, I just I think he wants to see if he wants to coach and if he's willing to go on this journey.

What was the conversation like with him, because I was before before we're going, I was trying to catch up on what he was up to.

H huh.

And I just saw that July thirtieth, he was on injury reserve.

In twenty twenty four, I assumed, like, okay, he's out.

So he and Tyler just decided that he didn't want to do to practice squad again.

That had been his, you know, his decision, and again I that's that was his path, and I think he realized that he you know, missed football, loved football, wanted to be around it, and finished his degree.

And then the process of doing that helped out in the spring, and then you know, they asked him to come back for the season.

Was there any type of conversation between you and him and You're like, yeah, I know, you don't want to the practice what again?

There was there was like a coach and a dad conversation.

You gotta wear different hats.

I'm sure that was a tough for you to go back and forth.

Well it wasn't.

I think a while ago it had.

I mean, I told you there were some things that I regretted, you know, growing up when they were growing up.

There was things that I regretted the way that I handled it and was you know, borderline embarrassed with things that, you know, just not being able to differentiate.

The coach and the being demanding.

And then Dad and so, by the grace of God, got past that and had another opportunity.

And so it was a good conversation.

It was, Hey, here's what I would say to you as from a coaching perspective.

Here's what I would say to you as a dad.

And so he made his decision, and I think he's really happy about it, and uh, you know see where this goes.

This coaching thing goes for him.

Yeah, like Tyler, dude, Oh he don't.

Yeah, he's harmless.

The other one, the other one is out.

Of his Yeah, he's gonna he's gonna catch fire here.

So plenty of ink and there, you know, I mean, they they love the ink guy.

I mean, they could thank Taylor for for hooking them up.

Joey.

Right, joe here's in town this past week.

It is right, anytime Joey's in town, I feel like Carter's over there.

So at first it was I think you were like, hey, Carter wants to get some mank you got a guy he comes in right, So we kind of got them hooked up.

And then Eventually it became Joey text me and be like, Hey, I'm coming into Nashville for a weekend.

What are you doing here?

Is like Tyler had him come to Atlanta too for a couple of guys like that.

Yeah, Joey's just out there doing mercenary work for other guys.

I got a question for you.

You are you're big on culture and painting a clear vision, whether it's a weekly game plan or whether you're coming in for the first time as a head coach and kind of painting how the organization is going to be.

What is the best advice you've received on building culture, whether you've been a fly on the wall witnessing something, or you've kind of learned in conversation with a former coach.

Uh, here's what I've learned.

I've learned that we can have different personalities, we can't have different mentalities, and sometimes what's that buddy, that's a bar?

I just sometimes get caught up that we don't that that people may be different than me.

I think I struggle with that early on, and and now I've realized that if the mentality is the same, how they maybe act off the field or what their personality is or they may not be.

You know, I would say that we all kind of have this similar personality right pretty close.

But there's a lot of people and players that are successful that don't and I have to be okay with that if ultimately their mentality is about the culture that that we want to have here, and I think that's what I've learned.

Would you say that's what you've learned, is that growing pains as a head coach?

Is that more earlier in your assistant coaching?

No?

I mean I think as a head like as a head coach, right, whether it's you know, just players that have different personalities but still got their job done and did it the way that we ask them to do it.

You have to be okay with, you know, kind of that what their vibe is just walking around let them, Yeah, they got to be them.

You excited to have Cardi be a couple of games this year?

I don't know.

I thought that.

I don't know.

I haven't seen her yet.

I haven't.

Well, I'm sure we'll double they sure we'll.

Take you Jen, card Are you Friday out there?

We'll see.

There's a level of excitement when you heard one of your players dating a famous lady like, oh, we have our own Taylor Swift.

Now, yeah, I guess so, I mean, I don't you know, I don't you see.

The revenue from this past year sixteen billion extra in revenue.

Yeah, and I started trending upwards in Kansas City when.

You know, I don't know.

I mean, I'll see that.

I mean not try to meet everybody's family that comes and a lot of people come out.

If she's here, I'll say, Hi, I don't see how that goes?

Fair enough?

You there was a big we talked about this on the podcast.

Is twenty eighteen Rapes was a lot different than twenty twenty two rapes?

What rape are?

You?

Are the Newland Patriots players getting a like because you go walk into a place that has those banners on the wall.

Foray, somewhere between those two, Yeah, you know, I think you just learn and again you're just trying to set things and make sure that again there's there's an individual role that the players trying to create, and then there's the the idea of building a team, and I have to try.

To combine those two.

Right, So do you evaluate treatment and culture?

Things like if you.

Walked in the Titans facility, and the culture was very like all over the place, very sporadic.

We didn't really have an identity of who we were when you walked into here, was there, like did you get the same sense of like culture?

I needed to.

I felt like it was important to make sure that all those systems and the programs and everybody around the players was sound right.

That that was there was a structure there that the support systems what was was sound and cleaned up.

And then we focused on the players, you know, because the players aren't around and in February, everybody's gone.

So it's like operations and video and equipment and training and player engagement, all these things that were set up that I wanted the players when they came back that they were you know, they were they liked what they saw, They believed in the program that we were building.

And then and then now we're we're focused on the on the football side of it.

When you're going and you get the call and you're like, I'm going to be the head coach of the New England Patriots.

Were you essentially like Ron Bergen getting the band back together when you went and got stretching, Frank and all the boys popping up, rolled over, rolling.

Over, and I was, you know, some of those guys you can get.

Some of them you can't.

Some guys are under contract.

But again, those people are important to me and I hope to the players we had.

They were part of our success.

And certainly, you know Stretches he Alreadys had a feature article in the Boston Globe.

There's another one coming down the pipe.

I heard.

He's starting to feel himself a little bit right next to yours.

He's looking for a window.

He's getting a window.

We're building a new building.

You got a window next door.

That article came out.

Those are his demands, but no, he's.

He's, uh, you know how important Stretches and the best you know, Frank and and and Ryan and all the assistant coaches were able to get Big Tea and Hass.

I think Hass does a fantastic job.

The old line room has got three good coaches in there.

So just trying to give the players everything that they need.

And you know, we're big on connection and we think that's important and and hopefully we can continue to do that.

How about Bob Splaine, Bobby getting another stint with Bob Splaine, him being undrafted.

I told him the other day.

I told him the other day.

I was like, I said, after you knocked the ship out of Derek, I said, if you stop hitting.

He's like, what do you tell you?

Get serious?

You remember when he smoked Derek and so then I was like, you smoked Derek.

I said, you even't hit anybody since then.

He's like, what do you I was like, dude, I said, you're too easy man.

Just for that.

I was just like you trying to get my blood pressure on all the time.

But that's been awesome to see.

He signed what like a thirty three million dollars deal.

Yeah.

I mean everybody's got their own journey to the National Football League, and.

Yeah, we don't care how you got here.

All we care about is.

What you do when you're here.

I cut your aspect.

It was a rookie mini camp tryout.

Yeah, and those are like you're doing those.

It's like favors, like get the guy a hat and a T shirt and send him on his way.

And now here he is just came in doing his thing.

A contract, got Harold who is Jack doctor Gibbons.

Doctor doctor Gibby.

Yeah, what's crazy?

Now we have a Gibson and a Gibbons.

We have Antonio Gibson, so it's Gibby and doctor Gibby.

Jack's got the doctors.

Got every answer in a book that.

You Every year around this time you pop up a film This ship that gets you beat film from the year prior.

What are like three or four key plays you saw on last season that you pull up in the screen.

You're like, guys, this is the ship that gets you beat.

Oh, not being able to take advantage of bad football, right, two minute execution, those are big ones.

Guys throwing the ball to the official, you know, celebrating after a gain as the clocks ticking and you're thirty yards from field goal range, ball security, right, all those things.

I mean, it's the same stuff.

It is the same stuff.

Just try to build an identity around our effort and a way that we finish.

You know, I think Taylor will remember it's hard to finish when you're looking back for the ball or you're directing traffic and all those things we talk about it.

But taking care the football right, being able to take care of football.

I still think fundamentals are important.

I think techniques important, offensive lines of technical position, you know, and then again, whether it's don't do dumb shit to hurt the team, or a softer, gentler version is making great decisions on and off the field.

I don't know.

We had some opportunities to have a scrimmage on Friday.

Guys got excited, you know, taunting three fifteen yards, pointing in somebody's face, you know, throwing the guns up, all that stuff, just things that you know.

It.

We're just it's hard to be that good for all that stuff to not matter.

That stuff has to matter, and we'll get there.

I'm confident that we will.

There's always some good Friday tape.

Yeah, we're not there yet.

We're so far from Friday tape, just because you know we're at the ground floor.

Yeah, you know, we'll break out.

The first one, we did have a good meeting.

We split the teams up, We had a draft, and we put together like a draft reveal, right for this scrimmage off Friday night, we had like a draft reveal.

So we split the coaches up, had two separate head coaches.

They drafted stretching out, were like the commissioners of the draft.

And then they had we put all these funny pictures of these guys from high school and all this other stuff.

And I was like Johnny Carson going through like on the reveal and they had the draft music, and I mean, the guys had fun like something, remember when you didn't know if I was like joking or not joking.

So I would be like, you can laugh.

It's like.

We're still a couple on stage.

We're still there where I'm like that if it's funny, laugh, and I mean I kind of go back and forth and they're not sure when I go to the joke, so I let it loose.

The other day a lot of laughs.

And it was.

Because you'll be caught in the middle of a you're breaking down film and team meetings and you're roasting, and it's like, you know, you're like holding in your laughter because like, oh, this is a serious moment.

Then when you throw a joke, it's like yeah, then last, right, because.

You will you do like to flip on a dime.

On a swim right.

You'd be like, Taylor, what were we doing here?

We pay you?

How much?

Am I?

This is awful?

You're terrible, and everyone terrible, and you'll be like saying all these things.

You'll be like doing your podcast with your boy Will Right, Well, yeah, what do we what.

Are we doing?

So we get it's a it's it's a process.

It's a process.

How many shows are you guys traveling a lot?

Oh?

Yeah?

Where were you before this?

So we had some time off.

We knocked out tight ending you at the last week of and so then I went to Canada.

You guys were basically the ball boys for that thing.

Weren't you run around?

Yeah?

Whatever they needed water, No job too big, no job too small.

I mean it just looked like I mean every every clip you guys were there, like with water towels.

It was hot.

We're there to serve, man, I looked like it you were serving.

We're giving back to the youth.

Ball washing.

You said, Taylor, so is gonna be there?

Here?

We can we can we hang out, we can hang up, we can.

Open, we can see sure, we'll go cameras there, Okay, good?

Can we bring Yeah?

And then what other teams you've been to?

Any other teams?

You're first one.

Then we got made the voyage.

Uh, this is it Virgin Territory.

He was always once once you got hired, it was circled.

We gotta get it it's funny.

Don't go back up.

Like all you have to do is just text daddy.

I'll text you back.

Whether you guys can come.

Jokes.

But we met the draft.

We we texted or we met Victoria out at the draft.

She was awesome.

Veronica, Oh, Veronica, I'm so sorry.

That was.

It's our Hey, it's our Hey, you're gonna you're gonna muscle through that.

But we met them at the draft and they were really excited.

They were obviously seemed like we have been talking about saying some nice things.

So we were like, I showed that clip.

Where will you showed him the clip that I sent about the costs fumble on the goal line?

Oh yeah, I told him about it.

I didn't run a meeting and show them I wanted to.

But you showed the team.

No, I didn't show the team though.

You showed any man reaches.

Yeah, that man reaches from like I don't know, Like we had a POD's drill in there.

Yeah, probably not good then yeah, oh you know what, it.

Showed a fit drill and and you got over extended and you got jerked.

Remember the FID drill.

The rock set, which we can be honest with you now that we're on the other side.

Yeah, I think that's a dumb drill.

I don't.

I think the past is good, right because.

Again you're staying level.

I'm never in the special.

No, you're talking about not on the not on the cutoff, not on like just the rock set right where we snap out.

Also also a dumb drill again because.

You got over extended and then got jerked.

It wasn't a dumb drill.

It bad techniques because if you and I are both going at each other, we're going and we're fitting and then we're setting, but they already know what's happening.

And then as soon as I say it.

Right, But I didn't say get over extended, didn't get no shoulders.

Out over there, create hands and side the jerk.

And the transition and you on my you on my base to be a little wait, yeah, a little bit more of a Yeah, you were kind of not over your skis over.

But you did show did you show any man reaches?

Yeah?

I mean I think we showed you could do this.

You did.

Yeah, a couple of pools out on the corner.

His highlights were like talking ship to a corner back that was thirty five years old.

Yeah, run it again.

Tell her we can only run so many toss cracks again.

I don't know you get on the corner.

Sorry, I don't know how you get on the corner.

Truck get over.

We're going to get you on the tax times you have to block the end a couple of times.

No, no, it's.

Not left.

Yeah it all.

I loved it perimeter playing man, it was just fun to kind of be out there feel like an athlete for a little bit.

It was nice.

Couple what have you seen from remember that the tie Sambrello four I cut off.

I was like, this is how we're supposed to do it.

Everybody actually great on the four I know, great on the four US.

So we're showing some of that.

We showed you on the backside.

Thanks getting vertical, you know Cincinnati stretch cut behind you all right?

Yeah, you know you just I just don't call you and tell you every time.

You just hope you made enough.

Showed Will Slice in the seven clinic tape clinic he didn't think he's got to catch.

The balls playing Slice in the seven real quick.

For the viewers that are sitting here.

Just transitioning out, we were mugged up too.

We were down to the line of scrimmage and they had you know, it was double double near a gun or week side side and running back one flat.

So you just know is about the run of seven round we're in ot we're trying to make We're trying to win this game.

Yeah, third down and around the sticks.

Once I saw the flat route, I'm like, oh, I'm gonna slice up under Sam Inside, I'm trying to go through the low hip to slice underneath the tight end.

Slice it, ball hits me in the hands, I drop it.

However, third down we're off the field.

We go down, Corey Davis catches a touchdown.

We all celebrate in the corner for the boy.

Yeah, oh the boys.

That was crazy.

Yeah, that game.

What you need to do, Mitch on that clip is you need to have it on my face he's talking, because you could just see the smile.

Will's explaining the tires that Yeah, proud, very proud.

But we had you've heard the story of his his recruiting trip, right.

We had breakfast at the hotel and then we basically did the deal I was thinking about.

You know, we basically negotiated that contract over breakfast me and you an agent, right, yeah, but it just it wasn't a very big contract.

That was the most the most I had in my career though.

Yeah, yeah, so that was bad season.

You're throwing out Nichols.

He was picking.

Then they drafted Rashan in the first round.

I'm sitting at a bar in German Town.

I'm like, fuck me, yeah, yeah, I don't know what time it is.

Going back to the draft, ye, and I'm sure I'll get a very probably, Yeah, I'll get the answer we're probably all expecting to get.

When the A.

J.

Brown trade happened.

Yeah, there you see the video, you see you stand up?

I mean listen that that is.

But also before as long as I'm the head coach of this team major, I didn't want.

To Obviously nobody wanted to have him walk out of there, you know, I mean, the contractual terms weren't going to you know.

It just it didn't work out, and it's disappointing.

The thing that I am most proud of is just still the relationship with AJ and players that I've coached, whether it be you guys or or other players that you know, continue to to text or check in on or just think about when they're in the summer or what they're doing, or their families or you see that they're having kids.

Like, I think that's that's important and I'm glad that that's still something that that that happens, right, there's still some sort of relationship after, you know, after coaching them.

Allegedly, there's some footage out there of Will Campbell, you getting put on your back from we Will Campbell.

Happened.

I mean, I'm almost fifty, I'll be fifty, and I don't know twelve days, ten days?

Did you expect that?

Though?

No?

I just you know, I mean it was a four eye, right, I was going into four eye and it was the backside cut off and he got going and I caught my foot.

I didn't get my second step in the ground, Like what am I gonna do?

I back up like well getting knocked out.

I probably loved it too, Did you said that?

I loved it?

I just was like, that was a good rap.

But I just, you know, give him a pat, me get back on the line.

Let's go.

Yeah, I mean you got to get one back.

Yeah, you an extra heart on that next one, you.

Think, I mean, it happened it's not like the next time we got to shave it in a little bit pad back.

It's not It's not like you know, I was fine.

I popped back up.

Everybody else thought, you know what I mean.

I thought it was a bigger deal than I did.

You're seeing a lesser man would have stayed down.

I mean he had have never done that to me.

Yeah, you're right, I mean it was a good It was a good block.

He got into it, got the backhand and the stern him and I didn't get my second stuff on the ground, and I asked over tea kettle.

Yeah, it was like six seven yards it was.

It was awesome to see.

We need that clip.

Have you seen it?

He showed it to us, But will showed you at the clip somebody he showed.

You haven't seen anything.

He has it on his phone.

We haven't seen JP.

He was probably all gassed up.

I'll get him back, don't worry.

That's what I'm afraid.

He was.

He where's it?

Will He was gas was pumped.

Yes, he's a boys.

Once I get done with this little two minutes, you're I'm Sorry'm laying it all out there, Willie, he said.

Once I get done.

I gotta show you guys a clipped.

I think enjoy it.

Yeah, and he hit me over there.

I was like, I'm gonna start to walk out, and we're like, hey, you said you had a clip for us, Like, oh yeah, I'm like, I don't him over How are you trying to get it out?

Man?

Come in?

They laid it on the line.

They laid it on the line for me.

I gotta go on the show.

You got to come on the show.

Yeah, you have fun.

I just wanted to.

Oh you don't want to?

Okay, fine, we only have for I think we.

Stacey's got the time limit.

It's time.

How about try at the time we have uh, Veronica, come on, sorry, I got I got local media.

Bud light?

You know how everybody, anybody would do anything for a bud light, an ice cold bud light.

What would coach rable.

Free shout outs?

What would Coach Rabel do anything for?

You can't say family, can't say family.

I mean obviously another banner up there, Like, that's what you do for that banner?

We've we've discussed this already.

Well yeah, but.

What else?

What else would I do?

Yeah?

For the banner?

I'm gonna work every day.

I meant.

Cutting off any more appendages, you know what I mean?

Like, that's that's why we're doing this, you know, other than to provide for our families, it's to to win championships.

Like you guys know this spiel.

We've been through this.

You guys are trained.

You guys are trained.

Rats.

Would you cut it on?

He already said on the second one, he's well.

Yeah, because we went to the AMC Championship.

He said, that's it.

Boys.

I want an honest evaluation of practice.

What I gotta got?

Can I tell you something?

I want an honest evaluation of practice, obviously, and if I'm missing an ing, let me know.

You know, obviously you got to create the evidence and build the legacy and everything else.

But I'm legitimately so juiced that you were the head coach of the Patriots just because you were a hell of a player at Ohio State.

You're a health of a player in the league with the three betners in the three Super Bowls, And I hope, I hope, hang on, hang on, this one's for Jin too.

I hope you take time to just have perspective of how fucking.

Cool I appreciate that I will try to stop and smell the roses along the way.

I hope you guys come back for a game.

Promise okay, promise?

Can I get a Can I get ahead?

St I'll stay out of the way.

You have stretches?

Okay?

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Back to the episode, Drake May welcome the bus with the boy keeping You set them up, You set it up.

You slept his leg.

No, okay, Drake, May, what's going on?

How you doing hanging in there right?

Oh dude, we're doing great, Josh Allen, vibes already off the top.

I'll be honest with you.

You got a nice little.

Player.

Give me the team keys when you're talking to the media.

Talking to the media, yeah, pervorable team keys.

Yeah in the media.

Yeah, speak for myself.

Yep.

No talking about injuries, that's correct.

Don't talking about expectations, right, don't talk about scheme.

Don't talk about scheme.

Is there another one?

You're on it?

You seem like there was one more all of them.

No comparisons the same as kind of expectations.

Comparison ye, no comparison.

Oh yeah, yeah.

Do you see yourself a lot in Josh Allen?

Do you guys think you're very similar football players?

Both mobile, tall, handsome white quarterbacks.

Uh, you know, he's the m v P.

I think the comparisons are.

I got a lot of work to do, you know, with kind of even give me in the same you know, stratus sphere or atmosphere as Josh.

So luckily in the division, so we have some good matchups I was looking forward to.

But really, comparisons, I'm just trying to be myself and hey, at the end of the day, some people think that.

I mean, that's a lot of no respect for him.

But at that I got a lot of work to do for that.

Let's pivot real quick on the sports though.

I apologize for interrupting you.

Will you and Josh Allen one on one pick up basketball?

Who's winning that game?

I think myself as a hooping yea and hoops for sure?

Who do you think?

Josh Allen?

The night before the draft was in a y m c A playing pick up basketball?

Did pat tell you that we have our sources exact time?

What are we talking about?

So Drake the day it was in Detroit, correct, the day before he gets drafted first round pick by the New England Patriots.

He's at an indoor gym at a y m c A, playing pick up basketball with a bunch of gen pop.

Just trying to get war your stats.

What was your numbers?

My brothers were in there, so we had some good competition.

But just get the nerves and you're going, you know, you and the brothers will yeah, you know, kind of being at the draft, I'm not sure.

You get nervous.

You get nervous, whether you get whether you're there where the draft's happening or you're sitting at home.

It doesn't matter.

Yeah, I mean I was nervous.

I have nerds for three days.

Disappointment.

Was there a piece of you ever throughout?

Like when you're going to the draft process of day one hit, you're like, what if?

Though, one hundred percent, I want to say Bill Belichick got some projected guy.

He was like in the lower rounds and he drafted him in the second round and on the first on the first night, the Chargers called me being like I kind of forget what the how the conversation went, but I'm like, maybe I'm a Day two guy.

No ship.

Then the draft, damn man.

He was a great player.

Great I played longer, but he's a great player.

Yeah he had the build though, Yeah he had stirred on him.

Sturdy.

Were you surprised if the Patriots drafted you?

I think I was just pumped, you know, kind of the feelings you just want to get drafted somewhere.

So I was really just pumped.

I think I knew there was a chance possibly here.

You know what a great legacy this place has been, and uh hopefully were trying to get back to that.

What's the first several months been like with coach Rabel.

Yeah, it's been awesome.

I mean, y'all know it's uh, it's hostile.

Now, oh we know it's awesome.

You gotta bring you gotta bring it and leave, he goes at the door.

I'm sure y'all and I'm sure you check y'all a few times with personalities of y'all too.

But uh, I think you know, we watched old film with Big Taylor's in there watching Podrill watching you over there.

How was he doing?

I think you may I hurt or something new know, damn you know.

And when Ray was answering the question talking about how he had to drill up, are you and POSI you got over leverage?

I'm thinking of myself, you know.

Rave was just loving the fact that he could kind of just body bag you in front of some mother.

And the fact is it's like that's not for anybody else.

I know five people on this football team.

That was for Raves and Stretch.

Yeah and hush yeah you kinda laugh.

And like look at that idiot right there.

No, but I saw the first pitch, dude, come on, yeah, you kind of looked like good form, like a little bit of Randy Johnson and this.

Let it Go.

Yeah, bring my showd You know, Redemption's coming really, I don't know if we can say the date yet, but it is this month.

I'll be catching Redemption.

Where was that?

What game was that at the Redemption?

Another game that you just threw?

Oh that was in Saint Louis.

Yeah, Saint Louis and Buddy, I'll tell you this nerves No.

I was like, I'm about to rip this.

I'm about to throw this thing high sixties.

Yeah, which was good for me.

And I walked out there.

Buddy was standing mere on the mountain go just saying, no, I'm gonna rip this thing.

He was like, didn't even say a word.

And then that happened, and I was like, oh my god, I'm still in disbelief.

Yea, and I think I'm like kind of getting the yips now too, Like I go play catch, like I'll put a couple in Wilf's chest and then there'll be one.

Oh Buddy, I practice every day, really get I get to the shop, we do work, and then I'm like, come play catch with me.

That's really bad, so we'll see We'll see you now.

I thought about throwing curveball or something one time.

First pitch.

Yeah, I haven't thrown one, but if I did, I'll throw a curveball or something.

Your baseball guy growing up, Yeah, baseball guy, you have a whole family of them.

I got a bunch.

I saw one story where it was like, uh, what was it People magazine?

Where your mom would make like thirty six eggs for you guys, just be a war.

We got some big dudes, some big fellows whirling around.

So a bunch of hooligans.

Who's the most athletic in your family?

Think probably a mom.

I'm speaking from a mom.

But you know Dad's plunging air right now.

He's old and fat now.

So you give it to yourself over the other brothers.

Yeah, yeah, they'd say the same.

They would Yeah they know what's up or they just pounding the steering wheel right now as they listen.

My brother's definitely a tune in.

My brother is a big fan of the Bust with the Boys.

Patcher playing it Tians, I think, what's there?

Was Pat Collins there?

Yeah, he was there.

We came down just to go meet his brother, just like because he was that big of a fan of us, and I was like, yeah, I'll go down there for sure.

Absolutely, And we met the night that night before at the Pegle Porker.

You got Troy Nunes exactly.

Yeah, bring it back to Rapes.

I need a pet peeve.

What pisses you off about Mike?

Or how about this?

What?

Uh instead of what pisses you off about Coach Rabel?

What would piss Coach Rabel off about you?

Or what would be a pet peeve of Raves that.

He has of you not celebrating after rescore?

They did go viral, didn't.

Yeah, he just I agree.

I mean it's hard to get in the end one.

Yeah, I think you saw the club.

We didn't score enough of them last year.

So, uh, just getting excited.

I think it's there's so much mental game going on the game.

He practice playing QB, So just getting excited when do something good.

That's tough, you know, I think I need to do a bad job of that.

We'll go through your brain when.

Simulate, you know, in practice, when it's actually a real touchdown the game.

You know, it's easy to run down there with the boys, but you know the old lines gotta run down there, like oh I got run fifteen yards back?

Yeah, boys cruising.

Over there exactly celebrating after touchdowns.

Yeah, I saw you throw a few touchdowns today in the red one, and I didn't see you running to the endsine and celebrate.

Yeah.

So is that a coachable coachability thing or is that just hey, we're in this is not a team period.

No, it was one on one.

I think he still get some excitement for sure.

What's what were the things that y'all did back in the day he got mad at Oh.

Got mad at me?

Probably just being on social media.

Yeah, yeah, Yeah, he'd bring up posts every now and then.

Yeah, there was one time where it was like Darren Bates was injured and so he was sitting out of walkthrough and in my brain he was just getting one over.

I'm like, oh, you're just You're just want to chill like you ain't in that bad of shape.

So I bought this neck brace on Amazon and then I like took a video because he had like the yellow jersey and I'm telling him, Hey, throw this on this boy, the neck brace, and we're kind of busting his balls in the locker room and I'm videoing it.

I put it up on social and he texted me later that night and he's like, you think this was smart?

And dude, fear just filled the entire part of my body.

And so I'm sitting there looking on how I should respond back to Vrabel kind of like is he kind of messing with me?

Should I like send a joke back because we all know he's playing like it's all good?

And he put it up in the TV the next day.

My asshole was was tight.

My asshole was tight.

You walk in that TV room, it's really the first one when you come back for OTAs because everyone's kind of done their thing.

Maybe he posted something in January.

He knows.

John Striker knows, and he will show Mike rab Yeah he's not he is on it.

He has dialed in.

I think, yeah, he's the OP.

I don't think you understand how much of a win it is for you guys to have stretch on this team just yet, like you guys will realize how big of a win it is to have.

But he's definitely the OP.

I had a time Bill O'Brien got fired from Houston and I was commenting on how I was like fired up about him getting fired, and Rave's like called me and chewed me out for like five minutes about how disrespectful that is, and I don't know Bill and all this stuff, and that was walking in the next day was very difficult.

It was it was scary.

But I saw him the next day he like pat me on the ass and walking down the hallway.

So he's kind of always doing this and you just don't really know what to do.

He bullies you until he knows you're broken a little bit.

Yeah, yeah, and kind of stepping on egg walking on eggshells, and then that's when he buddies you up and he's like, why don't you laugh?

And it's a joke.

It's like, well he was.

He was sitting here with us before y'all's practice, being like, you know it is.

They don't know that I'm joking yet and stuff like that.

So you know, I'll tell him, Hey, if it's funny, you can laugh in the team meeting room.

I'm thinking, we're still there.

We've known you since twenty eighteen.

We're still liked there.

We have That's how Ravee likes me.

I saw the clip of you y'all about to fight in the bus.

You like your chances, you.

Think against Rabe.

Yeah, I don't know.

I got too much respect to think that I could take him.

It's almost like gesture yeah.

And then he's a little and it's kind of like he's just got the power dynamic of father's son, you know what I mean.

It's like, hey, Will, do you think you can whoop your old man?

It's like you just don't.

You don't really go there mentally.

And then when he bulkes up, it's kind of like he's a long he's a specimen.

Hands to scratch his knees a.

Little bit, saying saying, Rabes is your daddy right now.

I'm saying he's got that's the type of respect that I have for him as a father.

Yeah, yeah, Like I see him as like a father figure.

Yeah yeah.

You know, we swapped text in the off season.

He checks on the family and stuff, and he's like a mental mind.

I love that.

So I just appreciate him, you know what I mean?

When he up, like, you know, hey, don't get sensitive on me, braves, like.

Two of you.

He likes Will a lot more than me.

Yeah, he like I.

He I think he definitely views me as like he coached me really hard when he got there, and I was like he'll lighten up eventually, and it never really happened, and then I like got cut eventually and it's kind of just not stopped.

Yeah.

Will was like they.

Brought Will in he was doing the core for he was like a light and did the Rabel thing and that went over really well.

And then once Will was out of the building, Rabel was like, that's my guy.

Yeah, I'm I'm Will's buddy, but that Will's Rabe's friend.

Does that make sense?

Taylor was an asset that they needed to produce at the highest level at all times, so when he get injured, I'm sure that kind of plays into the psyche of what his view was of Taylor, Like I'm an asset, but I'm more of an asset like, uh, you know, like one of those uh what was a gester?

You know, first off gestures the people that would entertain the king.

What's the animal that you keep and they just like give you good vibes, are there for you, golden retriever, no support, emotional sporting.

Yeah, Like my asset ability was like being the support animal in the locker room.

Yeah.

And Will, you know, just Will was a locker room guy, so Ravees would always be like, we're gonna hold her high, our best players to the highest standard or whatever.

That's like his phrase.

He always and he would call me in his office, Hey, what's up, Braves.

I'm trying to be buddies, Always trying to be buddies.

No, he'd be like, coming here real quick, and he pulled up some film.

We just sit in silence for a little bit while he play some couple of plays of me like not doing videos.

We hold our best players to the highest standard.

Correct, yes, sir?

Is that the highest standard?

No?

All right?

I need you to play better next week?

Yeah, okay.

And there be games too, I like walk away from games.

We're like, bro, I that was a game.

I kind of have myself a little.

I think, have like four or five plays if I really put that guy in the dirt, that was good in protection blah blah blah.

I felt good about it.

And as I'm like truly feeling good about myself, I'm getting a text from Braves be like, need you to be better next week?

And it was always it was.

Always that Will.

I would I would sit over and watch Will and Raves be like, how the fuck do I get to that.

Just had to get a couple tackles on special teams, slice of second a game or something.

Because when he said here.

I was like, hey, man, you showing some man reaches.

He's liked, should you getting overextended on on on a play action?

Some clips just killing me.

That's kind of the difference in dynamic.

But this is about this podcast.

You're doing very well and asking questions about us.

Now we're getting the fume more time of them than I have.

Take us through the process last year being thrown into the fire, because on the outside, it seemed like when you got drafted you were going to be somebody who was kind of like maybe groomed in on the sideline throughout the season.

Then the season was going the way it was.

You had coach Mayo, he was he was in his first year, and then you kind of get thrust in and thrown into the fire.

Was that something that you expected or what was the learning curve as that decision?

Uh was made?

No?

I think you know, we had the Texans here at home, so it was a good in front of home crowd get thrown into the fire.

I think it's something that they're like, man, let's see what I got.

I think it's uh, you got there and you see the Neil Hunter, will Anderson, you know when you go out there in the first drive and you're like, it's the NFL.

You know what I'm saying.

Specimens, especially Hunter dude.

Yeah, good guys.

So I think, you know, from there, I think there's ultimate confidence.

I think that's what I think.

You kind of appreciate yourself.

You do all that practice, to all this training camp, go out there and just a lot of bullets, see what you see what you got, and you know, I think, you know, the biggest thing is these guys we still played hard.

You know, I think we uh, you know, we were in some close games and you know, season didn't go with the way we wanted, but these guys fought hard.

I think, especially those guys up front, they fought for me hard.

And you know, the least I do was get back and go out there and compete and you'll leave it all out there.

So that's my approach to it, and it's not gonna change.

Was there ever a moment of discouragement during your rookie year, Like, as you guys are out there and you're performing, whether up to your standard or not.

You know, once you really hit and I think kind of, you know, ten losses in the season, you know it's tough.

You got there, and you're out there playing.

You probably know in the back of your mind you're not gonna make the playoffs.

You're out there playing a you know, a gruesome game, and you're out there just battling.

And I think that's really what you kind of finding these guys like who can I really go to war with?

And I think that's what, you know, I was trying to approach it myself, like these guys are gonna see me am I still competing hard and you know, scrambling around and trying to make plays or just gonna throw it in the dirt and keep back up and punt.

And so I think that's kind of is what I kind of used last year as you obviously want to you know, win you know, more games this year, and that's our playing.

So I think everybody feels good now.

So it's it's going into week one to see, you know, when the real bullets go times.

Remember that rookie wall.

When you're sitting there in the middle of November possibly like walking into December, you know you're out of the playoffs.

Like you say, you're you know, ten losses, you're probably not gonna pay the playoffs, Like you will not make the playoffs with ten losses.

And you see these guys, you know, you're twenty one years old.

You got these guys that are in their thirties they kind of know.

So you see guys kind of talking about Cobbosa and Lucas.

All of a sudden, I'm gonna go over here.

What are we doing for a vacation?

Like what was that like from you from like a just a going from college to NFL.

No, No, it's different.

I think even the first thing I know is these guys got families.

You know, it's not the locker room in college where you're hanging out and going back to someone's place and you know, watching football.

Yeah, I think stuff like that.

It's more like you like your families and you leave here.

And like I said, that rookie Wall kind of after you know, after the bowl season, you go straight to training and then you go straight to the draft preps.

So it's a long year, long years of these rookies.

That's what I'm telling these guys on our team.

You know, will cambell those guys it's a long year, and I think you know, from there, you give up here to Boston.

Never been up here in the north, and you get out of our meetings at at five o'clock and next thing you know, it's dark outside and it's fifteen.

I think I had a whole different element of the morbidness up here of the winners.

So I think that's really really right around your teammates and you know, when you are in the building, try to make it as you know, enjoyable as you can.

And I think definitely you see guys not like you said, not checking out, but no one kind of what's what's in the end and kind of the light the end of the tunnel is not you know, looking you know too bright.

I think you can see that in the NFL, which is you know credit then you guys want to you have you know, longevity in the years and you know credit their bodies and you know, you can see injuries is a big part of the game.

So there's two sides too, but hopefully not in that situation.

Yeah, when you got like your routine and your first year and you hit the wall and everything like that, what are some changes you making for yourself?

And you're in your daily routine during the football season.

Yeah, I that's a great question, you know.

I think Drakoby set was someone great for me to learn from, you know, a veteran this league, playing a bunch of different offenses.

He's the man, you know, just hanging out outside.

We should go to dinner.

I think it's different.

I got my wife up here now in the season, so it'll be different having her up here.

But really just it's about ball.

I think, trying to change, trying to find what's work, kind of find a rhythm throughout the weeks and hopefully if you you know, get w in the wing column, just try to repeat it.

And if not, you gotta change something wet or study more, get with the guys more, do something different.

I have one more question for you, and I want to take you back to college your senior year.

You're Drake may Hey.

Is he gonna go first?

Overall?

This kid's a specimen.

He's this He's that you start off seven and oh eight to o ranked ten in the country.

Is this Drake may kid?

Is he about it?

And then Virginia and Georgia Tech happened?

What the fuck happened against Virginia and Georgia Tech.

Those the same thing.

This was the kind of question as you're getting a bus with a boy jobs right there.

No, I think it was it was tough.

I think we twice two years in a row.

My last two years two years I played, we lost to Georgia Tech at home.

We ranked tenth in the country.

We were like nine and one, and then we lost to Virginia That next year we were like maybe seven or eight in the country at home.

Yeah, I think it's uh fucking Christ, there's kind of story.

No con football, really, you know when I was there, we just couldn't find a way to get over the hump kind of get into that next category of of wins and being that next kind of division of respect you know, around the country for our football program.

And I really think it was just unfortunate.

This is my last question.

What was your welcome to the NFL moment?

If you got to go to the thing, if it goes you to.

Be fast, I think the Neil Hunter.

I think we came out of halftime.

I just threw a touchdown.

My first touchdown was fourteen to seven, and were getting empty and yeah, I get stripsacked to start off the half, the first play, and then from there it was kind of like, you know, holding the ball in this league, you gotta get rid of it.

So get rid of it.

Doude appreciate your time.

Thank you so much.

Yeah, I appreciate you.

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Back to this episode, Robert Spilay, Yeah.

Come on, I appreciate you guys having me on.

Thank you.

Absolutely welcome the busting with the boys I am personally fired up.

I know Taylor's fired up as well.

But just as an undrafted linebacker, you were a rookie mini camp tryout, like the gutter, the gutter of gutters.

Rabe was kind of saying too, he's like the meatia camp trial guys like you just have them there to be bodies for the people you bring in, the draft picks you bring in, the other preferred undrafted free agents that you bring in.

You weren't one of those.

You got what an offer coming out of.

Where'd you go to College Wan, to Western Michigan.

To Western Michigan, Bro, and now all the way to just signing a three year, thirty three million dollar deal to be with the Patriots, a second stint with coach Rabel.

We're fucking proud of you, bro Stoked.

Definitely come a long way.

Hasn't been easy, a lot of trials and tribulations.

You know, when you start as an undrafted player, they look at you as an undrafted player for the remainder of your career.

So I still have that chip on my shoulder every day I go out there, I tell myself you're undrafted.

You know it's time to go earn it.

When did you think I think you had Obviously you can tell you love ball, and we tell the story, told the story in the podcast multiple times of us sitting after I think it was Pittsburgh reception interception had like seven eight, maybe even ten tackles and you're kind of walking by and we're like chopping it up in the corner a little.

We're a little banged up, and I'm like, hey, man, kind of did your think out there?

And you kind of get a little nervous.

You're like, I love football and you kind of just kept it moving and it's like we joked and laughed about it, but like, brother, that those are the guys that make it, the dudes that sit there, and they're like, you have to truly love playing this game to be put in the position you were in the NFL and now to be sitting where you are now.

But at what point was it that rookie mini camp?

Was it after your first year?

When were you like, oh, I can I think I can actually play in the NFL.

I think our first practice as a team when I got the veterans in there after Rookie Mini Camp, and I saw what the NFL was.

I knew I had a chance to make it.

I had that internal confidence right away that I am undrafted.

I'm the ninth man on the roster of the ninetieth overall, the ninth in the linebacker corps, and I feel like I can make myself good enough to be good in this league one day.

But you get cut.

Then you go and practice squad, you get cut, I believe in October if I remember right, and then you end up signing with Pittsburgh in the next February, like after the season's over.

You so you're you know, technically the saying is, you're on your couch for the rest of the season.

Did doubt ever creep in your mind?

Yeah, it's hard.

It's hard when you get cut and you spend four months at home.

You go out to la for a tryout, they send you home without giving you a call back.

You go out to Denver for a tryout, they send you home without getting a call back.

Go out to Pittsburgh for a tryout, and just as we're walking on the field with six inside linebackers, they sign one of them.

They take one of them upstairs and say we're gonna sign you in front of everybody.

So I go out for the tryout, i'd leave without a call.

I in turn, decided to give them a call back and give them a peace of my mind and say, why the fuck did you bring me out here?

What was the fucking point of bringing me out here if you already had your mind made up?

And it was that energy, that fire that they saw on me.

And two days later they gave me an opportunity.

What are they seeing on the phone so you call them, hey, patch me into Mike Tomlin.

It wasn't Mike Tomlin.

It was uh, Kevin Colbert's son, the head, one of the head scouts that invited me to the tryout originally, and he called me or I called him after the tryout, saying, what was the point of you bringing out here?

We just talked on the phone before I got out here.

You want to give me an opportunity?

And I felt like that's bullshit.

You guys signed a guy without even giving me a shot, and uh, he just oh, yeah, we're gonna We're still looking at you.

We're still looking at you.

I'm like, yeah, bullshit.

Whatever.

Didn't expect to hear anything back from them.

Two days later, they gave me an opportunity to come in for a ninety man roster spot and kind of worked my way through practice squad, through special teams, and then got my opportunity to play defense when Devin Bush went on.

That when you decided to call them and give him a piece of your mind, is it like your frustration was that an all time high when you're going out and doing tryouts, because me like doubt, doubt being the wrong word, more of like discouraged that you're putting in all this work, You're persevering, you're staying resilient, you believe in yourself.

Did it just get to a point where it's like, I gotta I gotta figure out why this isn't happening.

Yeah, without a doubt, I wanted answers.

I wanted I felt like I was wronged.

I felt like I had the ability and the capabilities to one day be a successful player in this league.

So it really bothered me that I wasn't getting that opportunity.

And I honestly believe if I didn't have that chip on my shoulder, I wouldn't be here today.

Yeah, when you when you go to the Steelers, you get on the ninety man roster put the dark visor on.

By the way, that was a nice touch.

Was very nice.

Headaches head, Yeah, that's what it's all about.

Um, you go play the Titans again and there's a goal line stand and a lot of people.

I believe there's a there's another reporter.

He's on ESPN.

He talks about him and Dereck Henry in the whole He's taking Dereck Henry all and everyone always argues about it, but you actually stood Derek's ass up to Derek.

We love Derek on the show, but handled business was that like you're coming You're coming out moment for sure.

My first career start against the team that cut me two years prior.

Anytime you step on the field with King Henry, you have to give him respect and you have to bring it all.

If you take a slight uh second of the playoff, he's scoring a touchdown.

So I knew at that moment that it it had to be there on the goal line with the team that cut me two years prior.

All that worked up inside me and I was able to make a nice play on the goal line.

There.

Yeah, I felt the excitement from everybody in the stands, my whole family took a bus from Chicago to the game.

Oh, that's awesome.

I had a lot of friends on the Tennessee Titans still at that point that showed me love after the.

Game, So it was really a special moment for me.

You put your face in the fan, did you feel it like as you're getting up to celebrate.

I definitely lost a few years of my life in that moment.

Yeah.

I definitely gave the Good Lord a few years.

Of my life.

You have a did you feel it like, do you have a sting or anything like that?

Yeah, they call it a stinger.

But when you can't feel half your body and you're like, no, ship.

I came off the field.

Cam Hayward rips me off the ground.

He's like, oh, spill sleep and get off the field.

So I run off the field and obviously you don't want to be wobbling coming off the field.

So I'm like, oh, my shoulder sore, my shoulder.

Man.

I guess that's all part of playing in the NFL.

So when you go to as you're going through the Steelers, you get cut, you going practice squad, you get cut again early in the year, you get brought back, brought back the next week.

Then when Devin Bush goes down with an a c L and you get your number calls, and then that game, I think you go on you have like you have a few good plays, and that next week, Tomlin's in the in the press conference saying that you're going to be the starter.

Take us through, take us through that process.

And what that meant to hear knowing that coach Tomlin and the Steelers had that trust in you to continue to be the starter.

Yeah, knowing that they had that trust in me, it was all I needed to go out there and succeed.

Knowing I had the trust of the ten people around me.

It's a very safe spot when you're in the middle linebacker of these defenses.

You got ten killers all around you.

So it seems very chaotic and a lot going on, But for me, that's like where I feel the most calm and Uh.

Having the confidence of the players and the coaches in that organization meant everything to me to go out there and succeed.

How they break the news, cheat, they call you in the office, they play a trick on you, or anything.

Yeah, Tomlin called me in and he said it's time to start living like a pro we need to get you some new outfits.

We need to get you a new car.

You're you're a starting middle linebacker, so you need to come in looking like it, playing like it.

So it was kind of a fun moment for me and uh something and I'll never forget.

Did you listen, You'll get yourself next to you get a new car?

No, I did, and that's probably why they didn't keep me around too much longer.

So then you went on, you signed a free agency with the Raiders.

Did Pittsburgh not want you back?

Uh?

No, they they didn't.

And it hurts to say that, and it it hurts the feel like that because you felt like you great, You made all these great connections, You felt like you poured your heart on the line, You felt like you did everything to be a good team player.

But at the end of the day, this is the business and they don't always want you back, and uh it hurts, and it hurts, and it adds to that chip on the shoulder.

But that's all I could do at that point was to go out to Vegas, my one opportunity no one else was calling, and go out there and ball.

So who else was in the conversation when you were negotiating as a free agent ended up with the Raiders.

It was the Raiders.

It was just the Raid the Raiders.

So when you were going into free agency, what were those conversations like in your exit meetings with the Steelers, Like, as you're inner, Yeah, before I.

Went into free agency, they told me go out test the market, see what you get.

We're going to offer whatever they give you, and we want to make you a Steeler.

We love you.

In your brain, you're like, this is where I want.

So I called him, Oh I got an offer from the Steeler or from the Raiders, like I want to come back, what's the deal?

And they're like, oh, good luck, have fun.

So really that's how it happened.

And obviously at the time you're sick, you're moving across the country, but at the same time you're so happy because somebody believes in you, and that's all you really need, Like to have Patrick Graham out there, to have Josh McDaniels out there, believe Antonio Pierce believing in me as the player and as a person.

That's what gives me confidence to go out there and do what I do best.

What was it like when so was it March when I saw you at UFC.

Yeah, yeah, and I explaining like walks by me.

We kind of like I don't I'm just kind of walking and he kind of like he's gy could you see you?

Man?

Like maybe goes I'm gonna be a Patriot and just kind of books it out of there.

I was like, just you see, just beaming, absolutely being back.

When Braves calls you, were you just so fired up about the full circle moment?

Was he the one that called you or the gym called you?

Yeah?

They offered the deal once free agency opened.

Uh, And I knew I wanted to be a Patriot.

I knew I wanted to get back with coach Rabel.

I knew what type of person he is willing to lay his life on the line for his players.

And Uh, it's just an organization that you want to be a part of.

It's a historic organization and a new emerging team with a lot of new pieces, and it seemed like a really good opportunity for me and my family.

How does it feel for you when you walk out and do a scrimmage last Friday and you see all six of those banners standing up there in the stadium.

Yeah, it's it's uh, it's pressure.

But at the end of the day, that's why we come out here.

That's why we love doing what we're doing.

We love when these these stadiums are filled out, sold out, rocking, loud and excitement, and uh, we're gonna have a lot of that this year.

And I can't wait to see what Pat's Nation is all about.

Uh, your second stadium.

Free agency.

Same kind of question, like when it was coming to a name with the Raiders, Like who is in the market for you before you ultimately decided on the Patriots?

Like were the Raiders winning you bat?

Uh?

Not not really?

God damn Yeah, And I feel like, uh giving it Max Cross.

You're gonna have to ask Max because he went on the podcast and he said, you know, he's been in the office with the GM every day in the off season, So I don't know what happened where.

The love loss was there.

But at the end of the day, I have this.

Opportunity here and I'm gonna do with everything I can to be a good teammate here and perform for the Patriots.

Were there any other teams that were fighting for you before you decided here?

Yeah?

There was?

Are you able to do you want to hear about it.

So this is a podcast we do.

We like, we like talking people.

This isn't like this isn't like a professional ESPN sit down.

Yeah, I mean there was a team in the West Coast.

There was a team that I had recently played for and won in the Mountains, and uh uh, they all showed a big interest and we're excited.

So Denver Chargers Titans close.

It's very close.

It's very close.

Yes, and it was the Rams.

Uh yeah, well well we'll just say that's that was close.

That was very close.

New England said and showed me that they wanted me to come out here.

It was a done deal.

I wanted to be here.

Out of the four teams that were offering, I wanted to be part of the Patriots.

So I'm glad that we got it done here and I'm excited to go out and perform.

You know, Splain we're asking these questions.

Everything we've asked so far as harmless.

But he's thinking himself, what's that team meeting going to look like when this podcast comes out?

And Braves goes plain, we're not paying you enough?

Mean what you want to be here?

No, I'm so excited and glad to be here.

And and we we got a young team.

A lot of free agents joined the team this year, so it's gonna look a lot different than last year.

And we're just gonna go out and uh, continue to work.

What do you.

Do?

My best to ask question where you just won't give a bullshit answer?

Are they all bulls?

Answer?

No, I don't want to say something stupid, no doubt.

I am not a trained podcaster.

So you, uh, you have to play the Steelers and the Raiders, two teams to have elite pass rushers.

What are similarities and some differences you see between t J Watt and Max Crosby.

Yeah, two of the best in the league.

Obviously, as you can see those contracts, those boys are living right.

They are working hard.

Uh, TJ is dominant, both on the left side of the ball.

Both have the freedom to do whatever they want on a play.

You know, if you have a non dominant edge rusher, you tell him set the edge.

If you have Max and TJ, you tell him do whatever the hell you want because we know you're gonna make a play.

So playing behind those guys h has let me learn how to play behind people that like to swim gaps, like to find the ball.

I think TJ has done a great job forced fumbles interceptions.

Max has the best motor in the NFL, so he is unblockable for ninety snaps out of the game, which is unheard of.

From the end, I love it, Bobby, We're getting we're getting the wrap up signal.

But dude, again, so proud of you.

I think you are a fucking awesome example front drafted guys, being a rookie, meedy camp trial guy to get all the way into your third contract, which is massive, especially at the linebacker spot man.

And I wish you well this year, bro, stay healthy.

Yeah, thanks for having me on.

I appreciate love you guys, Thank you guys.

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Let's get back to this episode.

So let's get let's get into this.

That outfit.

This you're you're obviously rocking something special.

What is the what's the reason for this?

Uh so, originally there was function behind it.

So six years ago I played Miami.

Yeah, you know, it's ninety five degrees feels like one hundred and two but the ends of this don't get wet.

Yeah, when it's like flowing through, it'll sweat up here, but the whole shirt won't get wet, so I can dry my fingers and then every training camp now I just do it.

I love it.

Yeah, So originally the West function.

Now it's pure style.

Yeah, because it's like eighty two outside.

How crazy is it going from a place in Miami to New England.

And then you're probably in the stream game and you hear one guy whispered, man, it's fucking hot out here today, and you're like, what are you talking about?

You have no idea?

Literally, the guy's like it was like ninety three the other day.

Dude's like like, yeah, I don't know if I can go.

I'm like, what are you talking about?

This is like if we got a ninety three degree day in Miami.

Everybody was smile here to ear I this is simple.

It's gorgeous out here.

Yeah, it's super nice.

Like y'all haven't even changed your cleats because they're soaking water through yet.

Right certain start of walking up the field and your feet a little squish.

Yeah that's okay, we had a hot day.

Yeah, how's it how's the process been with with Mike and the culture and everything here in New England.

It's been good.

I think one of the biggest things.

And I've been kind of in that New England style system of like work and get shit done.

And I love that type of ship, like the guy who works hard gets rewarded.

But having Mike who has also played so he understands, Like when he says some shit, it's like, Okay, he's actually probably done it.

He's done some of the ship that he's telling.

Us to do, so it works out.

It's okay, cool.

I can I can hear where he's coming from because he could pull up some tape with him actually doing it.

He's not just talking out his ass.

Yeah, it's gramy as hell, but he he did do it for fourteen years.

How many times has he mentioned that he's played fourteen years in the NFL and team meetings.

Team meetings, I don't know.

When he comes in the receiver room, it's straight to the touchdowns.

It's like ten for ten or twelve or twelve whatever it is.

Yeah, even I can do it.

Sort of the Titans this he was AJ's first year.

He put up all the receivers and their stats from the year before, and it was like, I think all of them had like maybe total eleven and then his was twelve or twelve twelve touchdowns.

He like he out paid them.

Was it until I want to say it was in the middle of the second time around that I was there, like twenty twenty.

Yeah, when the room finally passed them in touchdowns.

Which is it was something that was that was a team that's big for the big game around?

How big?

Well?

How how finally do you look back on your last year with the Buffalo.

It seemed like you had a lot of fun.

I feel like you were in the headlines a lot more.

Obviously you've talked to You've spoken about your feet at length, but it seemed like you guys had a really fun locker room in Buffalo.

Yeah, for sure, I had a lot of fun.

The guys were great.

Uh.

Anybody who's played their kind of nose, that's really all there is is ball and city loves you, and if you work hard, it like kind of turns over you're winning games.

And when you're winning games, freaking no matter where you're at, it's freaking great.

Uh.

So, yeah, I had a great time there, and I was able to be barefoot in wild and yeah, they just embraced it, and like people started wearing no shoes in the snow and I was like, hey, I'm not liable for any of that shit.

Yeah, are you going no shoes in the snow?

Yeah?

On the on the walk in Yeah, walking no matter what the temperature is, I'm going barefoot.

But if it gets blowed thirty five, grounding.

It's just I don't know.

I think the word I guess people use would be the passification of America.

People are so soft now, like, bro do something hard for once.

It's not even hard to wear no shoes, but like if it gets blowed thirty five, I'm not an idiot, like I'll put shoes on, but walking into games, no matter what.

I have to be barefoot.

How long you've been doing this for walking in the games?

Probably three four years?

Yeah, So I got hurt seven years ago.

Started training barefoot.

Found these guys in Australia called m MT.

They trained, they showed up to Philly.

I flew them out freaking barefoot off the plane.

I'm like, the fuck you doing same way, y'all look at me.

That's how I looked at them, started training with them, and then like three four years ago, I was like, what's the point of the shoes?

Now?

I just don't pay Other than bathrooms and airports, is the only time I were shoes.

Really, So you you obviously go into a restaurant, they're excuse me, sir.

If I'm by myself like this, and if they kicked me out, so be it.

But if I'm with the group, I'm gonna wear shoes like I'm not gonna screw thele Yeah, but by myself I'll get kicked out of places all the time.

You probably have to be so thankful you found this you found this group in Australia.

Yeah you did.

Yeah.

I mean I was like about to retire, Like I couldn't walk for a year, like just came off the Super Bowl, just won a Super Bowl and then for six eight months couldn't walk.

I was like, yo, I just was at the peak too, I can't do anything.

What was the injury again?

Grind?

So I had a grind had surgery three months later toward the other side, had surgery again and like couldn't walk, couldn't get back from it, and.

What was these Australians, these barefoot Australians, what is the method behind?

So they called Melbourne muscular therapy.

So muscular therapy is like their main thing body work.

But then they also do so I was doing whim hof stuff.

I was doing like breathing exercise, eye gazing, where you like sit interests from each other and stare in each other eyes.

Literally.

The first thing they did when they got to my house, they blindfolded me, picked me up on their shoulders to start carrying around the neighborhood.

And this is like Philly and our season is not going too hot at the time, So now they see my weird ass doing this, and I'm like, what's going on?

And they're like, we just want you to know that no matter what, like we got you.

And at that point I was like, whatever, I'm about to retire, I'll do whatever y'all say.

And then within like three months, I was back running again.

And you know when you get hurt and you all of a sudden get that like, oh I might be able to do this again.

Yeah, it freaking change everything.

Everything you're explaining to me sounds like the beginning of a cult.

Sometimes the cults are right, though, that's how you know you're Sometimes I'm scared even asking which cult is right?

Right exactly?

Yeah, no doubt, But did you So they're picking you up there walking around Philly, and all of a sudden, you can you walk and feel great a few months later.

I mean the body work is the main thing.

So they did bodywork on me.

I would say between six and eight hours a day for two weeks straight.

So I'm getting forty plus hours a week of like bodywork, holding muscles, just completely releasing all the tension in my body.

In their mind, your body's kind of like a plumbing system and they're just clogs all over the place, So how can we help you unclog so everything flows properly.

And that's what they did.

Like you know, when you have a surgery, you wake up and your brain doesn't know what's going on.

It just wakes up.

It's like, oh shit, this is this is completely different than what it was.

Now just get fixed, and we're just so trained to Yep, you have surgeries, so you're good, which your brain doesn't know.

It went to sleep and it couldn't really control or had pain somewhere and it wakes up and like now it doesn't know what's going on.

So I think that second surgery just kind of shut everything down and they were able to get me back on for.

The last couple of minutes.

I would love to know what is your favorite thing about coach Rabel and what is one thing you don't.

Yeah you think Raves could work on?

Yeah, you think you can work on?

There we go because I was like, should I say eight growth mindset?

Growth mindset?

I think what I love is that he'll he'll get the competitive miss out of me.

I love talking ship.

I think he does too, and it gets that even though he's getting older and you kind of lose that that T level and that and that competitive like I'm still a player, but he still has it.

Yeah, he still has it and you can get it out of him and it's uh and it's great things that he could work on her improved.

I feel like sometimes he gets soft.

On the guys, now you know, oh you think so?

Yeah, I think he gets I.

Think it's more of a CBA thing than him though.

I think he wants to get us to work, but I think he's like kind of forced not to, and sometimes I look at him, I think he really wants to like spas on dudes.

You know, like if somebody came late, how it probably was before the CPA changed a little bit and you couldn't be as like strict a guys.

I think he still has it in him and he wants to let it out, Like I don't think he's allowed to anymore.

So you think he's lost?

Do you think he's got a little soft.

Yeah, So what you're saying is the pacification of America rapes is a part of that.

No, not really, it's like forced on him me, Like, yeah, he's picked up bull Yeah, Like yeah, like he really wants to just spas on somebody for like coming late or like doing some shit that like constantly happens, but he just like not allowed to.

Yeah, And I can like see it because I'm front row, and I'm like.

Oh, I think I think he's about to do it.

He's gonna do it, and he's like I.

Can't do You look at him in like a way like you're kind of sad for him because he's.

Form h yeah yeah right, Because now it's like this Twitter age like in thirty minutes will come out that rage yelled at somebody and all of a sudden.

Yeah, we gotta shut the team when you see it in him.

Next time, you should just whisper it out, bro do we gotta?

Are we good?

All right?

Yeah?

Well, let you do your thingk man.

We know you guys are on the schedule.

We appreciate you taking the appreciate it, yeah,