0:00:00 - Trevor These Islamic radicals are talking straight up about terrorism. They're talking about bringing down the American empire. These are people who've come here and accepted the hospitality of America and they're openly talking about destroying this country and making the ultimate sacrifice in the process, meaning some of them may die in the process. 0:00:33 - Lara Welcome back to Going Rogue with Lara Logan, and my guest today is the highly accomplished author, anti-communist activist and broadcaster, public speaker, trevor Loudon. Trevor is somebody I have had my eye on for a long time. He is the man who changed everything for me in the political landscape when I watched his movie I think it was called the Enemies Within a number of years ago which really exposed something that is in plain sight today, something that people are just waking up to. That, trevor, you figured out a long time ago, which is the Islamic leftist alliance and communist Marxist infiltration that was happening right under our noses. So a lot of people thought with the end of the Cold War, you know the West was victorious, communism was dead, that this was sort of a done issue. But nothing could be further from the truth. I know that you have written at least five books that anybody can buy looking up your name, and the latest, one of the latest, is about the Australian Prime Minister Albanese, but more El Benazie. But more relevant perhaps for our audience is your book investigating Kamala Harris and her communist roots. All subjects that resonate today because of everything that is happening on the national stage in the US and also globally. So, trevor, with no further ado, I would love to open up with you and ask you a question. You know you've been in this longer than most people, and I just wonder when you look at the political landscape today, what do you see? 0:02:20 - Trevor Well, the United States is in a 70% completed Marxist Islamist revolution and everything around the world really depends on which way the United States goes. You know, china's what China does, what Russia does, what Iran does, what Australia, canada, britain, all do, france, germany it all depends on the outcome here. Now. President Trump obviously has done a lot of good things to correct the problems we have, especially with illegal immigration, one of the communist biggest weapons, and is going after aspects of the deep state, so to speak. But there's still a heck of a lot to be done. There's still mass indoctrination in schools. The colleges haven't been addressed. The churches are getting more and more left wing every day. He is slowing the roll, but if he loses in the next election or, you know, put it this way if he loses the midterms or the Democrats take over again in 2020, 2026, 2028, sorry we'll be right back under the communist steamroller, right back. So we shouldn't be getting complacent. We should be grateful for the victories we've had. We should be grateful what Trump's doing, we should be grateful for a lot of the work that conservative activists are doing, but we shouldn't be taking any victory laps yet. 0:03:49 - Lara Did you know that cardiovascular diseases are the leading cause of mortality today globally, taking an estimated 17.9 million lives each year? Our food isn't what it used to be, and we all know by now that the American healthcare system is broken. Big pharma is big business, so it's important to try and find natural solutions to help us stay healthy as we age, and one of the most overlooked factors is simply improving your blood flow. 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Like you know, that don't really make a whole lot of sense to me, because when I look at this, strategically right, if you've had a kind of unrestricted warfare model where you have between the Marxists and the Islamists have infiltrated many parts of US society and the US government, they've infiltrated in Europe as well, and they've done it in a covert way, right. So they stand up and talk about equality and justice and representation for everybody and anti-discrimination and diversity and all these things, right? So that's what the official narrative is, and that is one which demonstrates covert tactics. So why have they shifted now to a very overt presence where suddenly you're seeing I mean, muslims in New York have plenty of mosques to pray at, so why do they need to pray in Times Square? Why do you have imams in Texas talking about, you know, confiscating all kinds of goods from US stores that are considered haram or forbidden in Islam, that are clearly not forbidden in the United States, and so that kind of video is going to inflame emotions from a lot of people. I'm not going to say on the right, because the truth is, it's going to flame emotions in anyone who cares about their culture and doesn't want to see it replaced by a foreign civilization which is very different to theirs. So what do you attribute this rise in visibility to? 0:07:12 - Trevor Well, I think it's a rise in the violence of the left. We've seen assassinations from the left. We saw the attempted riots in Los Angeles, which was organized by pro-Chinese communists from the Freedom Road Socialist Organization the same people that gave us the George Floyd riots and thank goodness Trump set the National Guard in to shut it down, or they'd still be ongoing. Gavin Newsom wouldn't have stopped them. So the left are getting more radical, more out there, and so are the Islamics, and they're working together. Partly this is fostered by the war in the Middle East Israel, palestine, hamas, et cetera that got a lot of them fired up on both sides. But I believe the real key to this is that they understand that if they do not stop the Trump agenda real soon, they're going to lose so much, they're going to be pushed back for maybe decades. To lose so much they're going to be pushed back for maybe decades, and so they're going to go kinetic on American soil, I think, over the next year. 0:08:11 - Lara What does that mean? 0:08:12 - Trevor go kinetic on American soil. I mean assassinations, I mean terrorist attacks, I mean sabotage. All of this, this will be done. There's Chinese nationals here preparing to do this. There's Hamas, there's Hezbollah, there are obviously huge numbers of radicals on the campuses and this sort of thing, and groups like CARE and all these other Islamic groups are amping up the pressure. I think Trump's election has accelerated what they were going to do anyway, but it's necessary now because if we don't stop this agenda, their revolution could collapse. This is a desperate. This is a last gasp. This is what they have to do. They aim to create so much chaos over the next year that the election becomes pretty much null and void. The Democrats all pose as the peace party, all about reconciliation. They think, coupled with their customary cheating, they should be able to get a victory in the midterms and in 2028. And the violence, the kinetic violence, will be a big part of that. I believe, I seriously think. Well, there's a great video circulated by Canary Mission with all of these Muslims talking straight up about. Some of us may not be here in a year. We're going to have to make the ultimate sacrifice. There was a big conference in Detroit recently. Rashida Tlaib keynoted it and it was all about America is we've got to put the dagger into America. It was very openly saying we have to fight back against America. 0:09:59 - Lara And this is a member of Congress. Yeah, a member of Congress, I know incredible. So cool, you know it's interesting, trevor, because you mentioned Canary Mission there and some people may not be familiar with them, but they do do very interesting work. Can you explain who Canary Mission are and you know and why you follow them? 0:10:18 - Trevor Yeah Well, basically they're a bunch of campus-based people I'm presuming Jewish, because they focus very heavily on Israel and Islamic extremism, both from Iran, hamas, hezbollah, et cetera, and do a lot of exposing of the Red-Green Alliance, especially the Islamic side of it, operating in universities. So it's a campus-based group and they're always posting videos, always writing profiles of campus extremists exposing their radical backgrounds, radical ties, et cetera. Very well documented. They do a very, very good job, but I don't actually know who's behind it. I don't know specifically, but I assume this is young campus activists who are exposing Islamists and the radical left and they do a fantastic job at it. But check them out because what they put out some of it is just horrifying. They go to these meetings, they record stuff and these Islamic radicals are talking straight up about terrorism. They're talking about bringing down the American empire. These are people who've come here and accepted the hospitality of America and they're openly talking about destroying this country and making the ultimate sacrifice in the process, meaning some of them may die in the process. 0:11:41 - Lara You know it is quite extraordinary because it's happening, you know, all the time right across this country, right in front of people's faces or right under their noses, and yet it has been so effectively hidden for so long and in some ways, the real force and this full scale of it has been hidden. But, as you pointed out, you know, the recent conflict between Israel and Hamas and the October 7th massacre, right, that really kind of brought these things to the forefront, because I was reporting on this, you know, a good 10, 15 plus years ago and I know you were reporting on it for even longer. You were trying to, you were doing films and books and trying to get people to pay attention. Longer you were trying to, you were doing films and books and trying to get people to pay attention. So I just wonder what first alerted you to this Islamic leftist alliance and the nature of this threat? 0:12:35 - Trevor Well, look, when I was in New Zealand I moved here about 15 years ago, I was studying communism and I did a lot of work on the communist infiltration of New Zealand and that led me to I interviewed former KGB agents, I interviewed former communists and that led me to studying the United States and I was focusing mainly on communism. I was focusing on Obama's communist ties. I wrote a whole book in the mid-2000s before he was even a candidate, whole book in the mid-2000s before he was even a candidate. But as that led me, I kept on seeing. Initially I dismissed the Islamic threat to Elijah Becker, but I kept on seeing how the communists, how groups like CARE, were propping up, how ISNA and ICNA were working with the communists. I was studying it was very obvious they go to the same meetings. There were communists on the board of CARE. I found the communist backgrounds of these people and it became very, very clear and I started reading the works of people like Frank Gaffney and Claire Lopez and John Guandalo and others and they were focusing mainly on the Islamic side. But when I read their material I could see they would talk about people that they didn't know were communists. Cooperating with these people and I, because I had the communist background, I could see the tie-up. And now it's just plain as day. You know, we saw it. You know, in the campus protests in the last year we had CARE, students for Justice in Palestine, palestinian Youth Movement, openly rioting with Democratic Socialist America Communist Party, usa Freedom Road Socialist Organization, party for Socialism and Liberation, workers' World Party, all the communist groups. They would put posters up. This demonstration is sponsored by this and half the organisations were Islamic and half of them were communist. It's not hard to prove. 0:14:35 - Lara Aging is a fact of life, and with it often comes joint pain that can slow you down. You've likely tried countless supplements or creams that promise relief but fall short. There's one ingredient that's been trusted for centuries turmeric. The problem Standard turmeric, like the kind in your kitchen or basic capsules, is poorly absorbed by your body, making it ineffective for serious joint pain. That's where Golden Revive Plus stands out. Formulated by renowned pain specialist, dr Josh Levitt, it also uses BCM95 curcumin, a turmeric extract that's absorbed 200 times better than regular turmeric. And it doesn't stop there. That's absorbed 200 times better than regular turmeric, and it doesn't stop there. 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So who are some of the key players for people to look out for? 0:16:32 - Trevor Well, if you look on the care side, the Islamic side, nihad Awad is the leader of the Committee of American Islamic Relations Now. He started out in the pro-Soviet sphere. He was involved with the American branch of the Popular Front of the People's Palestine Liberation Army, which was sponsored by the KGB, and he only switched to Hamas when the Soviet Union collapsed and the money dried up. People like Linda Sarsour, who is another Marxist, very, very evident. Palestine youth movement is a big one. There's a whole lot of them, but I would look at anything that comes out of Nihar Awad's mouth. For a start, he's the leading Islamic civil rights activist in the country and CARE is the most influential front group, well known to be associated with Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood, but he used to get to go to the White House on a regular basis. 0:17:35 - Lara Still. 0:17:36 - Trevor No, yeah, not now, not now, no, no. But his group group, uh, care, was working with the fbi for many years, you know, during through the obama and the biden years and that kind of thing. Yes, so I think, because they have lost some of their access to the white house. They, uh that's another reason why they're going kinetic now, because they've sort of, you know, when they could influence government policy under Obama or Biden, when they could influence the FBI, when they could get government security agencies to help them, rather than go after them, it was better to stay peaceful. But now that they don't have that, they have less to lose and they just want to make life so uncomfortable for President Trump that he is distracted, can't get much done and loses the next election. That's their goal, I think, and that's why I think we're going to see much more kinetic stuff on his soil, sadly. 0:18:36 - Lara Is that not I hope I'm wrong, trevor is that not reminiscent of Nazi tactics, right? Isn't that exactly what they did in World War II? Germany is, they create the problem so they can be the solution. I think that's a Goebbels tactic. And then not only that, but they make the country ungovernable. That's how they got the Chancellor of Germany to hand over the keys to the Nazis, because they made the country ungovernable. Hand over the keys to the Nazis because, you know, they made the country ungovernable. And that's what they've been trying to do. And that's where you see everything from, you know, antifa to the Marxist collectives, to the Islamic terrorist groups and Islamic funded groups. That's what they're trying to do is to make things ungovernable and so uncomfortable that Trump can't push ahead with indictments or elections or anything else. 0:19:24 - Trevor Look, when Trump first got elected, the head of the Freedom Road Socialist Organization, steph Yorick, said publicly on the streets of Washington DC our job is to bring down President Trump by making the country ungovernable. Now there you go Say words, and they repeated the same thing when he was elected the second time. They are the group that completely instigated the George Floyd riots and organized them all over the country, a completely Maoist, pro-chinese group. Now, black Lives Matter was a Chinese communist operation and the key word is, exactly as you said make the country ungovernable. That is their job. 0:20:06 - Lara Tell us more about Freedom Road and the money. Where is it coming from and who are the players there? 0:20:12 - Trevor Well, freedom Road Socialist Organization is a grassroots, low-level, street-level activist organisation that is very, very violent. They are the people who attacked the Republican National Convention three times in a row, caused riots, firebombs were thrown. They even attacked the DNC once or twice. It sort of gives the DNC a bit of cover. But they work directly with the Chinese. They have big pictures of Mao Zedung in their publications. They praise China. One of their members just went for a tour to China. But they split a few years ago into another faction now called Liberation Road, and they are much more high level and sophisticated. They are the ones who started Black Lives Matter and run a whole network of voter registration organisations around the country in all the key swing states and they work directly with the Chinese consulate in San Francisco. Key players there are John Liss of New Virginia Majority and Maoist Steve McClure, who is now working out of the Wuhan University, china, making maps which are then used, making sophisticated electoral maps using the Wuhan University China computers which are then used in southern states to help win states like Virginia and North Carolina and Georgia, etc. Like Virginia and North Carolina and Georgia, et cetera. But the Freedom Road Socialist Organization Steph Yorick is a key player. She's one of the leaders of it. You can go to my website, keywikiorg, and look up Freedom Road Socialist Organization. I list all of their leaders there. Most of them you've never heard of. They're more low-level guys, but they've been working for China since the 1970s. 0:22:05 - Lara They were in the Vietnam War protests Since the 1970s. 0:22:08 - Trevor Yeah, exactly. 0:22:10 - Lara Inside the US right. 0:22:12 - Trevor Yeah, absolutely In 2011,. It was interesting. One of the last times the FBI went after communists was interesting One of the last times the FBI went after communists. They arrested 22 Freedom Road Socialist Organization people in Minnesota and Chicago their headquarters charging them for working with the FARC terrorist group in Columbia, the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine. The FARC and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine. The FARC and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine. They acknowledged Marxist-Leninist officially designated terrorist group. They rolled them all up. They were supposed to be tried. They were facing life imprisonment. The attorney general at that time was Eric Holder, and when it became apparent that some of these radicals who were arrested worked with Barack Obama in Chicago politics, the prosecutions were all dropped. 0:23:06 - Lara Amazing. And when you say they worked with Barack Obama, can you give any detail on those links? 0:23:12 - Trevor Yeah, there was a particular one I'm thinking of. He's based out of Western Michigan now. I'm thinking of he's based out of Western Michigan now, but he worked with Obama on the New Party. The New Party was a communist group that became the Working Families Party now and Barack Obama was a member of it and so many of these Freedom Road Socialist Organization people were members of it and worked with him in Chicago politics. 0:23:41 - Lara Trevor, you know this is quite something. Your depth of knowledge, when you look back on it and I definitely want to talk to you about you know how you began investigating, what opened your eyes. But just before we move on to that, you made a comment that the LA riots were stopped. Did you see a pattern and an operational plan that was being put in place? I mean, can you just shed some more light on you know, a lot of people look at that. They see LA riots in the news. They think it's all about ICE and they don't really understand that there is another agenda behind it. Because, just like they take legitimate issues, like you know, racism that lots of people care about, or they take images of dead Palestinian kids that you know and get people fired up emotionally. That's just the surface level. In my experience, right, that's how they take a genuine issue and they exploit it for a political objective. Same way, you know, they exploit sort of decent, good, ordinary Muslim people who come to the US seeking a better life and you know are not involved in the overthrow of a you know another civilization coming in here right, and so on. I mean they. There's a, there's a surface level that is is used to silence us and below that, I would just like to see, to know, what you see operating below that. 0:25:08 - Trevor Right? Well, I'll lead into this. When Black Lives Matter you know, the rioting over George Floyd erupted. That was their third attempt, see in 2019,. The Freedom Road Socialist Organization gathered a whole bunch of people in November 2019 in Chicago to set up a new group called the National Alliance Against Racist and Political Repression, and it was all about finding instances of police brutality against blacks or Latinos, and they know that 1,100 people get killed by the cops every year. About 20% of those are black or Latino, and there's always a case you can spin. So they tried to start the riotings when the jogger was killed in Atlanta Remember the famous jogger who was actually casing buildings for burglaries, but that's different. He was killed. They tried to start it then didn't quite fire. They tried to start it again when Breonna Taylor, a young black woman, was killed in a police raid in Louisville, kentucky. Didn't quite start, there wasn't quite enough energy, but George Floyd was so public and it was in the headquarters of the Freedom Road Socialist Organization. 0:26:16 - Lara In Minnesota, in Minneapolis, yeah. 0:26:19 - Trevor They spun it immediately. And why were riots erupting all around within days? Because they were already planned. You know, if it hadn't been for George Floyd, it would have been Jeff Smith in Seattle the week after, or Joe Jones in Tucson the week after that. They were all ready to go, they just needed a spark. Well, with the LA riots all around the country, the Freedom Road Socialist Organization was organizing their people to tail ice, to go to ice. Where are ice operations, to taunt ice, to throw things at them. They did it in Minneapolis, they did it in Chicago and they did it in LA. But it was LA that sparked. But they were going to get a spark. It was going to be in Tucson or it was going to be in New Hampshire, whatever it was. 0:27:09 - Lara Did they want it to continue it? 0:27:10 - Trevor was going to spark in LA. 0:27:12 - Lara I mean surely like the. You know, I remember when the George Floyd riots kicked off, I spoke to General Flynn as we were watching the very very first night of protests and riots, and I was actually watching the feed from Unicorn Riot, which is an anarchist propaganda outlet. 0:27:28 - Trevor Yes, exactly yeah. 0:27:30 - Lara And I remember I called General Flynn and the first thing he said to me was watch where it goes next. If you see this in a blue city, the next blue city, then this is just going to keep going from one blue city to goes. Next It'll be. If you see this in a blue city, the next blue city, then this is just gonna keep going from one blue city to the next, because these are the things that they have planned right. These are the things they have, this entire network of affinity groups that's already in place, that's already funded, and they have a stated objective. 0:27:59 - Trevor Yeah, look, it was 100% ready to go. It doesn't mean that, george Floyd, there was some conspiracy around George Floyd. He was just an opportunity. But, as I said, if it hadn't been him, it would have been the next guy, the next guy. They just kept on picking the scab until they opened the wound and, as I said, george Floyd was their third attempt to start the riots. 0:28:21 - Lara Or some of those are orchestrated right. I mean potentially. I'm not saying it was because I don't have the evidence, but it's not beyond the pale that they can stage something like that in front of the cameras to create the spark. 0:28:35 - Trevor Well, they do whatever they can. There was a famous case in Louisville, kentucky, in the 50s where a communist radical they were campaigning against restrictive covenants where blacks were not allowed to move into certain areas and made a big stink stirred up all the trouble. 0:28:57 - Lara Then the man's house got burnt down and so of course this was blamed on the whites, et cetera, and the leading communist went to jail later because he burnt the house down Just the way they hire young black kids in the riots and paid them money to be at the front there, so that if the police respond to the incitement and react that they're hoping that another, especially a kid you know, is going to get hurt, so that it proves their narrative. 0:29:27 - Trevor Exactly, and you saw this in South Africa. The ANC did this all the time. You know the Sharpeville massacre was used, for instance. You know, for a long time they deliberately get these young kids out the front and if a young kid gets shot, that's a pretty heart-wrenching thing, Absolutely. But they've been egged on. They've been egged on. They're used as human cannon fodder. These young kids have no idea what they're doing. Somebody says, let's go and riot, we can loot a few stores and it's going to be great fun. And they push them out and they tell them the cops are racist pigs and they get all fired up and they get shot or beaten up and that becomes the next narrative. This is completely organised. If you look at communist literature, they have been working to destroy the US police force for nearly 100 years now. Every time there's anything that can be spun as racism, they are onto it. You know, from the La Crosse famous La Crosse rape case to whatever. Any way they could spin racism, any way they can spin police brutality. But the George Floyd thing was clearly aimed at Trump, because Trump was China's biggest threat and Freedom Road is completely loyal to China. They were doing China's work on American soil, 100%. 0:30:50 - Lara For those people who don't know, the Sharpeville massacre was a, you know, a sort of a landmark event in South Africa, where kids were protesting against being forced to learn in Afrikaans, which was a native language there that was spoken by white people and that wasn't spoken anywhere else in the world, and they felt it marginalized them and, of course, it ended up with days of protests. And well, actually the Sharpeville riots were the conflict between the Indian people and black people. The kids the school kids was later the Soweto riots, june 16th, but Sharpeville was the massive conflict between black people and Indian people living in South Africa. 0:31:32 - Trevor But communists were egging both of those on, absolutely so. The communists were using people's antipathies, stoking it up, to cause riots and the police have to step in and then the police are blamed for systemic racism or whatever, and that destroys the morale of the police. It breaks down law enforcement and that's part of the revolutionary process. That's always part of the revolutionary process. 0:32:01 - Lara Trevor, doesn't this go back to the original sort of Leninist doctrine right when Lenin sent out his emissaries in the early 1900s who were sent to countries all over the world to identify fissures in those societies? So those are kind of like openings. Right In Algeria it was Islam. In the United States it was race Obviously. In South Africa it was race as well, and so on. But basically the Marxist communists looked for this was. You know, this came out of Russia, this came out of sort of the headquarters at the time of Marxism. It was planned, it was intentional, it was by design and it has never really stopped. 0:32:43 - Trevor No, it hasn't. Stalin developed a theory. It was called the nationalities question because Marx said you know, this was the revolution was going to be all about the working class rising up and taking the wealth of the capitalists. But in rich Western countries the working class was generally pretty happy. 0:33:01 - Lara Yeah, it didn't work. 0:33:02 - Trevor They didn't want a revolution. It didn't work. 0:33:05 - Lara The American dream got in the way right Because an American worker can make their life better. I mean, it represents hope in this country. 0:33:13 - Trevor Exactly so. That's why classic Marxism didn't take off here. So they look for other fissures, the gender fissures, man versus woman, all that kind of thing. But the key one was race. Like in the 1930s, stalin ordered the Communist Party in America to try and create a black republic in the southern states that Florida, louisiana, mississippi were all going to split off in the United States to form a majority black socialist republic. In New Zealand they did that with the Maori. In Australia they did that with the aboriginal population. But in Northern Ireland they stoked up resentment between the Protestant and Catholic populations. They did the same in Cyprus between the Turks and the Greek populations. I can point to any sectarian or racial struggle on the planet and I could probably find you, the communist groups, who are instigating it or stirring it up or exacerbating it. It's called the nationalities question. It was Stalin's answer to the fact that class struggle didn't work in all countries. Sometimes you had to use racial or ethnic tensions. That would work better. But when Mao took over China he didn't have a working class in China. There was no working class in China. There was no factories except in Shanghai. So he had to go for the peasantry. He had to go for the racial groups, the ethnic groups, and that Maoism is where Freedom Road, for instance, gets its ethos from. They're a Maoist organization. Black Lives Matter is a Maoist organization. The Black Panthers who, by the way, very connected to Kamala Harris's family back in the day was a Maoist organization. 0:35:01 - Lara If you're feeling sluggish or bloated or just not at your best, it might be time to pay attention to your liver health. Your liver is one of the most vital organs in your body, playing a key role in detoxification, digestion and energy production. But every day, factors like processed foods, environmental toxins and stress can overburden your liver, leaving it clogged and unable to function at its peak. A clogged liver can lead to fatigue, poor digestion, weight gain and even skin issues. 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But then one day I sat and watched a documentary series that had the original footage of people testifying before Congress in the McCarthy era trials and one after another, very senior members, high level figures in the Pentagon and the Department of Defense and beyond were sitting there saying I am an avowed Marxist, I will be a Marxist till the day I die and I'm willing to die for this and I just wonder can you speak to that that deception that has been carried out? 0:38:10 - Trevor Well, look, mccarthy. It didn't even start with McCarthy. It started with the House Un-American Activities Committee, which was set up as a bipartisan thing by Democrats and Republicans to go after the Klan, the Nazis before World War II and the communists. Well, by the 50s it was pretty much focusing on the communists because the Nazis were gone, the Klan had been much diminished, so it was bipartisan. Mccarthy was only a small part of that. I have read multiple, many of those hearings. They were conducted very professionally. Everybody had counsel but nobody I ever saw was falsely accused, nobody. And they exposed and states had their own hearings. Louisiana had hearings, california had hearings, many other states did it as well, because it was a very real problem of Soviet and communist infiltration. We now know from the Venona transcripts these were secret codes that we broke the Soviet codes and could monitor the Soviet traffic going back and forward. In the 1940s there was at least 400 senior Soviet agents operating in Washington. They set up the World Bank. They set up the United Nations. All these globalist organizations that are plaguing us today were set up by Soviet agents within the Roosevelt administration and we're still dealing with them. We never cleaned out the State Department. The State Department is still rotten with Marxists and subversives even to this day. You know, Diana West made a great case in her book Red Thread that what we know is the deep state basically had Soviet origins. This is the remnants of the communist apparatus that has been operating in our government for a long time, and once communists get into an institution, they just keep hiring their friends and so they eventually just take over. This is what they did with the education department. This is what they've done in a lot of universities. This is what they did in the state department. This is what they did in the New Zealand foreign affairs department. And so communist infiltration was a massive problem and McCarthy partially addressed it. I had a friend who was an Australian Communist Party member who was thrown out of the party, and I asked Jeff. I said Jeff, when you're in the Communist Party, were you guys worried about McCarthy? He said yeah, we were shit scared of him, but he didn't go anywhere near far enough. 0:40:57 - Lara Wow, wow. And it's just, you know, it's a real indicator that Hollywood has taken such a, you know, a dishonest line on McCarthy and painted him in a way that is completely without merit, which is contrary to the facts. And if you look at Marxism as a whole, you know the nazis committed terrible crimes and it's well documented. And you know and people talk about it though even the term nazis associated with pure evil. But then you know, as you start to look into it, you find well, wait a minute, why don't they say the same thing about the communists and the marxists? Because you, you suddenly find out millions starved to death in Russia and all the terrible things that communists have done. Why isn't there movie after movie about that? 0:41:49 - Trevor Well, because the communists weren't defeated. The Nazis lost, so you could tell the truth about them. But the communists were never defeated, so they maintained their propaganda apparatus unhindered and so they had a. So imagine if the Nazis had won World War II. We'd be hearing nothing about how bad the British were and how bad the Americans were, and that the Nazis were the saviors of mankind and that they were good people and whatever it's. You know, the victor gets to write the history. And the communists were never defeated. They knew they couldn't bring America down in an open contest. So they would have to use America's free system, its open system, to flood America with propaganda, to confuse people, lead people, divide people, create chaos. That's been their playbook forever. It's just like Hamas. Hamas can't win a war against Israel. Hamas has to rely on massive worldwide propaganda to win the war of hearts and minds. Like America never lost the Vietnam War, the Soviets spent more on propaganda in America during the Vietnam War than they did helping the North Vietnamese. They influenced Congress. They influenced the kids on the street. They got the kids in America spitting on their returning soldiers. Yes, it's so interesting you say that Pure propaganda. 0:43:26 - Lara Yeah, I knew a very senior man in US intelligence who's buried now in Arlington Cemetery and he was a young soldier in Vietnam. And we had an extraordinary conversation once at the Army-Navy Club in Arlington, virginia, and he said to me you know, first of all, when we went to war, right, when we went to Vietnam, you didn't come back for years. And it was so interesting because there were two things. One was, he said, we were not losing. At the time the war was ended, we in fact had the upper hand on the ground. They had worked very hard and very successfully to turn Viet Cong inside prisons right. They had a massive program to do that. The years of training and work with the Montagnards which was a local people there had really paid off. And he said so, you know, they were, you know, way behind. Of course they were still dealing with the infiltration from Cambodia, but he said that the picture militarily on the ground did not match what was being portrayed in the media. And the other thing he said was that he came back to a country that he didn't recognize. That, you know, when he left, drugs were illegal and people didn't do them, but when he came back in the halls of college. People were getting stoned, smoking weed it was. You know, it was all of the uh, the Marxist cultural influence, the sex um education, sexual revolution do LSD be cool? And all the rest of it. And he just, it was very stark for him because he had been gone for all those years and I never forget him saying to me I did not recognize the country I came home to. 0:45:11 - Trevor Absolutely. See the communists use the thing like the Vietnam War was a big crisis in America and it was very easy to pump propaganda. And you know the soldiers are baby killers. You know the soldiers. We can't win the war. Why should we be involved in the war? You know all of this kind of thing and you get the draft and young people. You know World War II people accepted the draft and went to fight the Nazis because they knew it was the right thing to do Vietnam. They muddied the waters around the war. All the communist agitators were telling the kids to keep out of the war. Meanwhile the communists were flooding the country full of drugs, the country full of drugs. Hollywood, which was all still controlled by the communists, was helping. And you had these big news. Media outlets were heavily penetrated by Marxists were pumping this up. America could have easily won the Vietnam War had there been no communist propaganda war. It would have been done and dusted in a few months. If Americans had been allowed to go and fight it, win it and go home, it would have been over very quickly. But the communists deliberately dragged it out. They deliberately used it to divide the people. Take advantage of any crisis. Lenin or Alinsky will tell you that. You know so. America was forced to fight a long war. They're not allowed to win it and retreat. It was this tail between the legs and all these brave soldiers who fought, and it was spat upon, including my father-in-law Basically spat upon when they returned to their own country. People forget how bad it was, and that is an example of how communist propaganda works. There was 100% a Soviet operation against this country. 0:47:00 - Lara It's quite extraordinary and you know there's echoes of that in what happened with Afghanistan. I mean, people weren't spitting on American soldiers, but America itself spit on the American ideal by, you know, pulling out the way they did they said they're not going to be helicopters. You know, pulling out the way they did they said they're not going to be helicopters you know, from the roof of the US embassy. But what we got was, you know, very similar. And you wonder, did you see the Marxist, communist hand in that? 0:47:27 - Trevor Well look, joe Biden started working for the Chinese in 2001. Before that he was working with the Soviets and the Iranians about 1978. But 2001,. He offered his services to the Chinese government to help them negotiate trade deals with the United States. He didn't offer to America to help with the Chinese, he offered to the Chinese to help them. He was always their agent. 0:47:55 - Lara How do you know that, Trevor? What's that based on? 0:47:58 - Trevor Well, the revelations of Peter Schweitzer, the revelations of Hunter Biden, but my own research of Joe Biden's communist past going back to 1972, he has always worked in the interest of China, first the Soviet Union, then China, and that's well documented. So okay, what did Afghanistan achieve? It was a debacle. It was, you know, it wasn't incompetence. They withdrew the troops before securing anything. They left Bagram Air Base to be taken over with $80 billion of American military equipment there. And every American ally around the world would be thinking why would we work with the Americans when they're this damn incompetent? You know I do not think that was a badly planned operation. I think that was a beautifully planned operation because it was designed to weaken America and strengthen China, which it did Gave the Chinese access to a whole lot of rare earth minerals which they're now blackmailing us with. The Chinese even captured the equipment to make genuine US military IDs. Now I wonder how many of those genuine military IDs are now in the backpacks, were in the backpacks of the Chinese military age nationals who snuck across their borders in the last three or four years. It was look. If Biden was working as a fully paid up Chinese agent aiming to weaken America and strengthen China during his term of office, what would he have done different? 0:49:46 - Lara You know well, you make a good point in there. The US also left behind the access to the biometric database. You know where all terrorist identities were held and all the people who were responsible, who knew how to operate that database Right, and so they were. They, uh, afghanistan has become a terrorist factory and training ground and the epicenter of global terrorist operations. Where you know, terror, chechen terrorists. Anyone can go there to get a new identity, have their biometrics changed and, by the way, also get an Afghan passport which includes in it the stamp that the US requires. That's what they look for at customs, right, when that validates that passport. So I mean, we have yet to answer for any of this that was done in Afghanistan. But, trevor, I just I wonder, you know, when you say what would Biden have done differently? That's a reasonable argument. But because we went through years of, you know, trump's a Russian asset, trump's, you know, being handled by Putin and all the rest of it, I want to not, you know, obviously not do the same thing with Biden, and certainly you know there's a lot of things that do not make sense If you're America first. The things that the Biden administration did make absolutely no sense. They've gone, they went to great lengths to reduce the advantage that the United States had, both on the battlefield, even the battlefield of space, where you know, very senior commander in Space Force told me they were instructed by the Biden administration that they did not want overmatch in space. They wanted to level the playing field, which is, you know, completely the antithesis of every military strategy the US has had. You know, in the last century where overmatch has been. The whole point right is that you want to, you don't want to be sending home you know lots of body bags and so you try to make sure that you bring such overwhelming force that nobody fights. That's kind of, you know, has been the underpinning of the strategy. So where the Chinese were moving of the strategy, so where the Chinese were moving satellites, you know, right up to US satellites in space in operations, to both see how close they could get, what you know and how they can be destroyed, what the vulnerabilities are, and so on and so on. I mean they were just ordered that they were not allowed to respond and I mean these are, you know, some of the many things that don't make sense with the Biden administration when it comes to the CCP and giving them a leg up to America's detriment. 0:52:20 - Trevor Yeah, well, look, can you name one thing that Biden effectively did to counter the CCP in his time of office? So he appointed Deb Haaland as Secretary of Energy, a long-term associate of Judith LeBlanc, one of the leaders of the American Communist Party. He put her in power and what did she do? She restricted energy supplies as much as she could. She shut down all sorts of drilling, and that on public land, which drove the price of energy up, which didn't help America at all, but it did help our enemies. Look, biden has been working. He started working when he was elected by a pro-Soviet organisation back in the 1980s. Back in the 1970s, a group called the Council for a Livable World, which was set up by a bona fide Soviet agent. Back in the 1970s, a group called the Council for a Livable World, which was set up by a bona fide Soviet agent called Leo Szilard, a former atomic scientist and a former supporter of the Hungarian Communist Party. He was elected by these people and this organisation was set up to elect senators who would vote for treaties beneficial to the Soviet Union and to disarm America in every possible way, and he was their poster boy. They've elected 200 other senators since, but he was one of their first poster boys, 200 other senators. So he was 200, including 40 of the current Democratic senators. Which would be who? 40 of them? Elizabeth Warren, well you name. It'd be easier to name the ones who weren't. Yeah like. Well you name, john Ossoff, raphael Warnock, I believe, certainly Kelly, mark Kelly in Arizona. 0:54:12 - Lara They've all taken Chinese money, right. That's the problem. Yes, Well. 0:54:16 - Trevor Mark Kelly's taken a lot of Chinese money. He used to flog vitamin products Chinese vitamin products from outer space. When he was in a rocket he would ride onto Chinese stages on a motorcycle with Chinese and American flags on the handlebars. He met his wife, gabby Giffords, not in a bar in Phoenix or Tucson, but a Chinese Communist Party gathering in Beijing. Wow. 0:54:44 - Lara Okay, what about the Republican side? Who are the commies there? 0:54:48 - Trevor Well, the key one I've always been very worried about was, of course, mitch McConnell, whose family has made hundreds of millions of dollars trading with China, you know, shipping Chinese goods. His wife, elaine Chao, you know her family made mega bucks shipping Chinese Communist Party goods all over the world and Mitch was never one to really attack China and he was also one to actively sabotage Marga every single chance he got. And Marga, you know Trump movement was China's biggest enemy. Elaine Chao has a long history of helping China when she was on the board of the Heritage Foundation and other things. She never should have been allowed anywhere near Trump's cabinet whatsoever. So that family is one that I think has always been very problematic. Richard Lugar, who was a senator from Indiana for some time if he wasn't a Soviet agent I would be very shocked. He was Obama's favourite Republican and did a lot of things with Obama to help enemy nations. A Rhodes Scholar you'll find a lot of these people are Rhodes Scholars. You'll find they have a bit of communism in their background. Why it was a very common phenomenon. Well, bill Clinton, I think, was a Rhodes Scholar, but many of our leading leftists, bram Fisher in South Africa, leader of the South African Communist Party, was another Rhodes Scholar. I find that pattern in New Zealand. I find that pattern in Australia were often targeted by the communists because they knew they would be the future leaders. And so what you'd got? I think there was an infiltration of the selection system so that people of the left would be given Rhodes scholarships and more conservative students would not be given Rhodes scholarships. So you'll often find a very deep. You'll often find Rhodes scholars are. You'll often find Rhodes Scholars very much on the left to some degree or another, not street level communists, but in the State Department or in the Senate or in Parliament in the UK, not in Parliament, in Australian Parliament or whatever. You'll often find that pattern. 0:57:12 - Lara It's very interesting and you mentioned one of your latest books. Right is about Kamala Harris's communist roots. Can you speak to that? 0:57:20 - Trevor Yeah, yeah. Well, kamala was a red diaper baby. See, the Kamala movement comes from this. In the 1980s you had Jesse Jackson, who ran for president twice, the black preacher from Chicago. He ran for president twice on an idea called the Rainbow Coalition. You get all the progressive whites, progressive blacks, progressive Latinos, whatever, and you gather them all together. This idea came from the Black Panther Party, all right, and it was a Maoist. His whole coalition was run by the Communist Workers Party, the Freedom Road Socialist Organization, the Line of March and other communist groups. It was a complete communist operation. Well, obama's coalition was the Rainbow Coalition. Obama got his idea of uniting all the minorities with the progressive whites from Jesse Jackson. There was a Rainbow Coalition. Obama got his idea of uniting all the minorities with the progressive whites from Jesse Jackson. There was a continuity there. And so the Chinese, through their various agency, through various Maoists, some of whom married into big fortunes, like Steve Phillips, who married into the Golden West Savings and Loan Fortune worked with people like George Soros, with lots of money to pick young candidates of colour to run the Rainbow Coalition strategy in the South, the Southern states. Stacey Abrams is a perfect example of this. She's complete Maoist, very closely connected to Steve Phillips, funded by the Soros operation, the Phillips operation, etc. Andrew Gillum in Georgia was another example. Barack Obama was another example and Kamala Harris is completely their poster girl. She was the perfect rainbow coalition candidate rainbow coalition candidate, two races, person of colour, female with a little bit of fake conservative. She was a prosecutor right, even though she let everybody go that she could. But anyway, kamala Harris was a red diaper baby. Her parents were both communists. Her father was a Marxist economist. Her mother was basically involved with the Maoist movement. They were both involved with a group called the Afro-American Association in Berkeley in the early 60s. That group became the Black Panther Party. Wow, that group started the Black Panthers. Kamala was raised by these people. By the way, the head of it, donald Worden, became Khalid al-Mansur and became the emissary of a wealthy Saudi prince who organized for a young Barack Obama to get into Harvard Law School. 1:00:12 - Lara Good Lord, it's so dirty, barack Obama, to get into. 1:00:15 - Trevor Harvard Law School, good Lord. So you know Obama and Kamala. He came out of the Chicago branch of the Maoist movement. She came out of the San Francisco branch. I could give you the whole history of her and Willie Brown, but the key point is she was funded and supported every step of the way by Steve Phillips, the Maoist millionaire from San Francisco who was a key lieutenant for Jesse Jackson. Her whole career was he. Funded her for DA in San Francisco, funded her for a senator from California, funded her for a first presidential run and they tried to run the Obama coalition idea with her. You run a woman of colour, you get the women, you get the blacks, you get the South Asians because she's part Indian, and you get all the minorities together to win. And on paper it was perfect. But she had zero charisma and a very obnoxious personality. 1:01:17 - Lara Oh, and she's just stupid. I mean, she's just not that bright, well, she's not bright. No. 1:01:21 - Trevor Well see, I don't think she's that well she's stupid, but she was raised a Maoist, right. She was most people become communists in college, right. 1:01:32 - Lara Most people are normal. 1:01:32 - Trevor American, they become communists in college. She was a communist from the cradle and went to a communist social club where she was in grade school listening to Marxist poets while she was seven, eight years old. She has never been anything, but so when she is asked the question, she doesn't speak American, she speaks Marxism. She has to run it through her mind and translate it. That's why her word salads are so bad, because she doesn't really think like an American. 1:02:05 - Lara She also doesn't want you to see who she really is. 1:02:08 - Trevor Well, absolutely not. 1:02:09 - Lara She's just like a lot of Marxists, right, she's hiding her true intentions. 1:02:14 - Trevor She has to dissimulate all the time because she can't speak the truth. She has to speak in code all the time, like her phrase. All her catchphrases were all come out of the Marxist movement. There was a whole list of famous catchphrases that she talked about. They're all identifiably Marxist, and Tim Walz is just as bad, if not even worse. 1:02:40 - Lara But what does that mean, you know, when you talk about Marxists? Because in the minds of most or many Americans, right Marxism did fail when the communist wall, you know, the Berlin Wall, came down, Soviet Union collapsed and so on and so on, and now obviously there's many Marxist organizations that are alive and well, but it's just not something that the average American necessarily, you know, hears that and thinks of that as a threat, Because they think, yeah, well, you know, it's the sort of the dying throes of something that's confined, you know, to history. 1:03:18 - Trevor Well see, if you talk to really doctrinaire Marxists, they'll say you're a point out, that it's failed every single time it's ever been applied. Well, that's not quite right, because the goal of Marxism is not to equalize wealth and bring people into prosperity, it's to centralize all wealth and all power in a very few hands. So it's actually been very, very successful. 1:03:38 - Lara Yes, when you look at it like that, you're right. 1:03:40 - Trevor If you look at that standard. Well, what it means if Kamala Harris had become president, Black Lives Matter would have been the law of the land. She was a big, big friend, close personal friends of Alicia Garza, the founder of Black Lives Matter, who worked very closely with the Chinese consulate in San Francisco, so her whole network around her is Chinese. She was involved with the committee of 100, Communist China's main influence operation in America. So what you would have seen is a defunding of the cops all over the country and a total upending of the cops all over the country and a total upending of the justice system, because the Marxist believes that black people are unjustly persecuted and that all cops are racists. So you would have seen a complete upending of the justice system. Open borders would have gone on steroids and she would have legalised every single one of them. So the Democrats would have had 40 million new voters and you could never overturn that. She would have come after enemies big time. She would have basically made very close friends with communist China, allowed increased Chinese immigration into the country and she would have downgraded security services so they couldn't do anything about it. So she would have ended the energy industry as we know it and implemented a Green New Deal which would have completely crashed the economy and, most importantly, destroyed the US military budget. Now, who do you think would have benefited by the destruction of the US military budget? Her Chinese friends would have benefited by the destruction of the US military budget Her Chinese friends would have benefited. So you know, kamala Harris would have destroyed this country. All she had to do was one thing legalise every single illegal immigrant in the country and turn them into Democrats, and you would have had 30, 40 million new Democrats. How would we have ever, ever changed? Well, and that's assuming they would have stopped 30, 40 million new Democrats, how would we have ever, ever changed? 1:05:35 - Lara Well, and that's assuming they would have stopped at 40. 1:05:38 - Trevor Yeah, well, exactly no, it wouldn't have stopped at 40. And they would have brought Palestinians and the goal was to completely destroy the traditional Christian voting base, christian conservative voting base in America, completely destroy it. And that was what the Rainbow Coalition was all about. That's what Obama was all about. That's why the Chinese are operating all these voter registration organizations in the Southern states. If you can flip Texas and Texas organizing project is trying to do that very strongly you can flip Texas permanently. Flip Georgia and Arizona If you could. You know maybe one or two other states. The electoral college map tells you you can never elect another Republican. 1:06:24 - Lara Yes, I've heard a lot of people say that that if you flip Texas, you're not going to see another Republican government in a hundred years or if ever. 1:06:32 - Trevor No well, never, because it will be a Democrat-controlled state and the Democrats are controlled by the Chinese and other communists. 1:06:39 - Lara Yeah, and also they the. 1:06:40 - Trevor Democratic Party today is a communist party. There is no question about that. 1:06:45 - Lara It does look that way. I mean, even if many Democrats don't know and understand that if they were to take a step back and look at it, they would be able to see it. 1:06:58 - Trevor The Congressional Progressive Caucus is 100 members in the Democratic Caucus that was set up with the help of the Cubans you know the Cubans and Bernie Sanders. Back in the 90s I wrote several books about this the House Un-American Series, the Security Risk Senator Series. I profiled 30 currently serving US senators with extensive Marxist backgrounds. There's about 100 Democratic congressmen who wouldn't pass a background check to drive a school bus. Wow. They're involved with the Cubans, the North Koreans, the Chinese, the Iranians and various domestic communist organizations. There are many people like this. We see Rashida Tlaib and AOC, but they're just tip of the iceberg. You know there's many who are just as bad as they are. 1:07:43 - Lara Where can people get the full list? Trevor, Is that on your wiki? 1:07:47 - Trevor Well in key wiki, but the best thing, just go to my website and look at security risk senators or House un-Americans. There's four books in the congressional series and two in the Senate series, but you can go to Key Wiki and you can look up Chuck Schumer's background or Nancy Pelosi's background or Elizabeth Warren's or Martin Heinrich in New Mexico or Patty Murray in Washington State or pretty much anyone you care to look at. Most of the Democratic senators have Marxist backgrounds or Iranian connections, and the same situation in the House. Well over half in the House could not pass a background check. 1:08:31 - Lara Well, but how many of them have security clearances? 1:08:34 - Trevor Well, you see, there is no security clearance in Congress. That's what you'd think. You know you have to have a security clearance to work in the Department of Defence, but you don't need any to serve on the Armed Services Committee. 1:08:48 - Lara It's nuts None at all and have access to classified information. 1:08:52 - Trevor Classified because you're trusted, because you've been chosen by the people. The logic is- Outrageous you cannot interfere with the people's choice, which I support. But I would say, president Trump should institute a system you can be elected, we can't stop you being elected, but you will not serve on any committee that will have access unless you undergo a security check. The Democrats would have to stand down over half of their candidates because they would not get anybody on sensitive committees at all. 1:09:21 - Lara How many Republicans would have to stand down? 1:09:24 - Trevor I would say there'd be a few, not to the degree. I think Ann Colder sees it very well. There are lots of bad Republicans but there are no good Democrats. You know there are problematic Republicans, absolutely. Some are taking a little bit of Iranian money, some are very in bed with the Chinese, some are just lazy and useless. But the Democrats got a lot more traitors than the Republicans. The Republicans tend to want money and self-aggrandizement. The Democrats, they want to change the country forever. They hate America as it is. You know we're being run by the Vietnam War generation. The radicals who went against America in the Vietnam War, then supported Fidel Castro and the Sandinistas and all these commie groups they are now running. They are now senior members of Congress. 1:10:23 - Lara Which tells you how important it is to address propaganda at the time. Right, you can't wait and try to undo something that people have believed forever. You can't leave lies in place. 1:10:35 - Trevor Yeah, well, exactly, you know we say oh, people change, they mature over the years. Well, yeah, maybe they do. But you know, for instance, rosa DeLauro, who is now the number three in the Democratic House I believe you know she has deep connections to the Communist Party USA going back decades has been to Cuba multiple times. You look at Karen Bass, the mayor of Los Angeles. She's been to Cuba over 20 times. She was involved with the Venter Amos Brigade, which is set up by the Cuban intelligence services. She was a leader which is set up by the Cuban intelligence services. She was a leader of it, set up by the Cuban intelligence services to recruit agents. Daryl Gates, who was the police chief in Los Angeles years ago, accused her of smuggling Cuban weapons to Los Angeles street gangs, and now she's the mayor. She's the mayor and nobody brings this background up. She was a Maoist it's infuriating. 1:11:32 - Lara Trevor, this is exactly what how I felt when I watched one of your movies for the first time, and I learned about the democratic socialists of America yeah and how many people they've elected. And then you start to look Biden and you know, and all of these people. When they get elected they make special statements thanking the democratic socialists for their support. And you know videos. There's a plethora of videos. You can find just about any prominent democrat leader you can think of has been elected with the help of the democratic socialists. And then you know of course there's people like Keith Ellison, right. 1:12:08 - Trevor Yes. 1:12:09 - Lara I mean, can you talk a little bit about him please? 1:12:12 - Trevor Well, keith Ellison came out of the Nation of Islam and that's where he got his first Islamic, you know, teaching from. And the Nation of Islam is very pro-Cuba. You know, louis Farrakhan. People don't realise there was a lot of communist influence in the Nation of Islam. They had two editors of Muhammad Speaks in a row who'd been involved with the Communist Party. You read their paper. It was like you're reading a communist newspaper Cuba's great, you know China's great, blah, blah, blah. So he was involved in that. Then he got hooked up with the Maoists in Minneapolis. You know the forerunner of the Freedom Road Socialist Organization, still close to some of them. Then he was very heavily involved with the Communist Party. They held fundraisers for him. He held three fundraisers in the house of the leader of the Minnesota Communist Party, erwin Marquit. They helped get him elected in 2005, I believe it was. They supported him right through. Democratic Socialists of America supported him right through. And then he starts hooking up with the Iranians, going to deep ties with them plus deep ties to care. So he's involved with both Sunni and Shia Islam and he's a congressman at this point. 1:13:27 - Lara He was a congressman Now. He's involved with both Sunni and Shia Islam and he's a congressman at this point. 1:13:29 - Trevor He was a congressman. Now he's the Attorney General of Minnesota. 1:13:32 - Lara Yeah, and, by the way, appointed. 1:13:36 - Trevor And did nothing when his communist friends burned the city to half, the city to the ground. 1:13:40 - Lara Well, in fact, that's when he was appointed right, and he did that tweet where he posted a picture of himself embracing the Antifa anarchist handbook. 1:13:49 - Trevor Yes, exactly. And another picture of himself with Steve Phillips, the Maoist millionaire who sponsored Barack Obama, sponsored Stacey Abrams, sponsored Andrew Gillum and Kamala Harris. You know so, keith Ellison is deeply embedded with the communist movement and the radical Islamic movement both of them which is why you can't get much justice if you're a conservative in Minnesota. 1:14:15 - Lara Well, and after George Floyd died. That's when Keith Ellison was appointed as Attorney General of Minnesota to be in charge of the investigation, which smacks of cover up in some form. 1:14:27 - Trevor Exactly. Look how many people in America know that George. Well, we know all about his fentanyl. We know that there was. You know he was high on fentanyl at the time. But who knows that? The leaders of the movement that burnt that city to the ground are readily identifiable. I can tell you who they are Steph Yorick and others, members of the Freedom Road Socialist Organization, and their friends burnt cities all over America and a few months later the Freedom Road Socialist Organization also burnt Kenosha, wisconsin. 1:15:02 - Lara Mm-hmm, I remember that. 1:15:04 - Trevor That was organized completely by the Freedom Road Socialist Organization and you can see this in the pages of their website. It's not a deep secret. I have on tape Steph Urich talking about the joy they felt when Precinct 3 was burned to the ground, how the violence and the looting and the arson was an integral part of their movement. In her own words, how she worked immediately George Floyd was killed to get the riots going right across the city. In her own words I have this, I can send it to you. Yeah, please do so. Yeah, I will do that. 1:15:43 - Lara You can also find on a website called Crimethink. You can also find the whole breakdown of the Minneapolis operation and how they used squads of human shields and looters Some people loot for morale and some people loot to feed them to keep the protests going, and so on and so on. But it's highly organized, it's network-centric and it's global. And one of the reasons you remember there was all that talk trevor of, you know, donald trump should uh, he should declare nt for a domestic terrorist organization, and then the truth was that there wasn't any. There wasn't, it weren't any laws on the books for declaring domestic terrorist organizations. And one of the reasons for that was that, in the wake of the mccarthy era, the ACLU and the National Lawyers Guild had gone after the laws, the committees that carried out those hearings. They got them dismantled. The committees, the congressional oversight on internal security threats, the subcommittee was dismantled and then they went after the laws so that America was not protected from domestic and internal enemies. I mean that's a massive victory. 1:16:52 - Trevor That's 100% right. A lot of conservatives now praise the church hearings of the 1970s, which went after the CIA and shut down all their powers and then they reigned in the FBI and all this kind of thing. The FBI really doesn't investigate communists at all now. Well, church was a hardcore radical, a member of the Committee for a Livable World, the Soviet operation that I told you about before. He was a hardcore leftist and he basically hammered the CIA and stopped them investigating a lot of things they should have. And I'm not saying the CIA was a perfect organization, but during the 70s these same people you know most of the big cities in America used to have what they call red squads. These were undercover police agencies who would monitor the Islamic radicals, the communist radicals and the Black Pans and the Black Panthers and keep on top of them. You know they were all shut down. They were all shut down and now, 20 years later, we're bearing the fruit. Well, 40 years later, we're seeing the fruit of that. We need to understand the communists think in long terms. Let's shut down, let's change this law now, because in 40 years we'll be able to use this. We think in two-year election cycles. You know, in 1965, ted Kennedy, who worked with Marxists his entire life, changed the immigration laws in this country that opened up the wave of Islamic immigration we have now. It was all about diluting the existing voting base, so they did that in 1965. Well, we wouldn't have Hamas sympathizers rioting on our streets now if that had not been changed in 1965. You know Ted Kennedy, who worked with the Soviet Union, who worked with open communists, who was good friends with Michael Harrington, the founder of Democratic Socialists of America. You know consequences 40 years. You know the famous story of somebody interviewed Mao Tse-Tung and it's probably not true, but it illustrates the point. Somebody asked Mao Tse-Tung what was his opinion of the French Revolution, which happened at the end of the 18th century. He said it's a bit early to tell. 1:19:16 - Lara Yeah, you're right, they do have a long vision. I know because when I was at 60 Minutes and I did a story with Jack Ma you know who's the founder of Alibaba and credited with bringing the internet to China and all the rest of it, and a billionaire and Jack Ma, the first time we met, had chosen this Chinese tea house and where he wanted to talk, before we filmed anything. And he said to me do you know how old that tea is that you're drinking? Because he ordered some tea for us? And I said how old? And he said 2000 years and honestly, I didn't even think tea could survive 2000 years. But he said I'm telling you this is an example for you. You Americans, you people in the West, you look at everything that's right in front of you, don't even know how to think long term. We're thinking in terms of thousands of years, not even hundreds. 1:20:06 - Trevor Yeah, exactly so. You know, the Chinese have been at war with us for 70 years now and look at the progress they've made. They can start race riots in any street. They can influence our elections. They can buy up our politicians. They can influence what movies get made in Hollywood. They can make business decisions for us. I quote in my book on Kamala Harris. A top Chinese advisor to Xi Jinping said we want businesses in all 435 congressional districts in America. Why? Because if we can put businesses like a battery plant or a car plant or whatever, we're going to employ lots of Americans, thousands of them, and no congressman is ever going to criticize us in that district again because thousands of his constituents rely on us for their livelihoods. That is we. By pursuing this strategy, said we will get control over all 435 congressional districts in America. 1:21:11 - Lara Yeah, and that's their strategy. That's called unrestricted warfare, right. 1:21:15 - Trevor Yeah, it is From fentanyl to buying businesses. 1:21:18 - Lara Yes. 1:21:19 - Trevor Buying pork plants, buying farming. It is all designed to bring us down Little picks here and there. 1:21:26 - Lara Yeah, Death by a thousand cuts you may have. You know, you might think well, I don't want to vote and I don't want to run for the city council and I don't want to go to the school board meeting because I'm, you know, trying to work in three jobs and trying to raise my kids. But you know who doesn't miss an election, who doesn't miss the chance to vote? Right, they're there at the front of the line every single time. 1:21:48 - Trevor Absolutely the left, the Chinese, the communists, our enemies. You know. We want to live our lives, we want to go to church, we want to have parties, we want to go fishing, we want to go skiing, watch football, enjoy our families. That's what motivates us and politics is sort of what we do and we have to To a leftist or a communist. That is all there is. 1:22:12 - Lara Yeah, they live it every minute of the day. 1:22:13 - Trevor That is their whole life Every second of the day is how they're going to get power over us, how they're going to take over a union, how they're going to take over a college, how they're going to get more influence in Hollywood or Wall Street, how are they going to buy up a senator? How are they going to win a ballot measure? You know I could go on for hours about this, but that's. We are against a very organized enemy. I can give you examples that would just blow your mind. 1:22:40 - Lara Blow my mind, give me an example, come on. 1:22:44 - Trevor I'll give you one example. Okay, okay, remember when Virginia was a really weird state. I have to go after this. And then it went blue in 2008,. Right, because Steve Phillips, the Maoist, set up a group in Virginia in 2007 called New Virginia Majority, and they were like acorn, wore orange T-shirts and they went out in a year and signed up 300,000 minority voters for the Democrats. And then they worked with Terry McAuliffe, the governor of Virginia, to personally sign pardons for 200,000 Virginia felons. That 500,000 extra voting base is what they used to flip Virginia. Okay, but the kicker is the reason I was so successful. They were using GIS, computerised maps that every single precinct in Virginia mapped out. They could tell you voting patterns, they could tell you income levels, they could tell you ethnicities this is a Khmer neighbourhood, this is a Puerto Rican neighbourhood, this is a black neighbourhood, whatever so they could send the right volunteers into the right neighbourhoods to maximise the get out the vote. Now, those maps were being made by a Maoist communist called Steve McClure, a graduate of the George Mason University Geography Department, who's been making those maps for years on contract, working directly out of the geography department of Wuhan University, china. So they're using Chinese maps, chinese personnel to flip districts in Virginia, and this is the same. These people are the reason that Georgia has two Marxist senators, ossock and Warnock. It's the reason Arizona has two Democratic senators. It is the reason North Carolina is now a purple state. It's the reason that Beto O'Rourke, the certified imbecile, became within three points of beating Ted Cruz a few years ago. There's this big-. 1:24:42 - Lara These are not real results, right, they're not real. 1:24:46 - Trevor Well, they are not real. There's fraud going on, but the fact is they are organized efforts on the ground to influence American elections in key states and these same people took full credit for winning six of the seven battleground states in 2020 for Biden. They had Detroit action in Michigan. They had Pennsylvania Stands Up in Pennsylvania, new Georgia Project in Georgia, stacey Abrams Group. They had what is it? Black Leaders Organising Communities in Wisconsin and Lucha in Arizona. They claim credit for winning that election for Biden. And all of them were part of a Chinese-influenced voter registration network tied to New Virginia Majority, texas Organising Project, et cetera. There is a massive on-the-ground effort linked to the Chinese that works in several of our states, very strategically organized. 1:25:51 - Lara That is backed up by corruption right Buying off officials. I spoke to an intelligence group before the 2020 election and they said you know, if you could see the list that they have of elected members of Congress, both the House and the Senate, who are on the Chinese payroll, that you would be absolutely shattered. 1:26:13 - Trevor I'm sure I would be and I'm sure I know a lot of them. But I'm sure there's a few surprises and some of them would be in the Republican Party. I have no doubt whatsoever. 1:26:20 - Lara Absolutely yes. They sit on both sides of the aisle and then you've got. You know, you've got your Jocelyn Bensons right, you've got people like that who are-. 1:26:30 - Trevor In Michigan. Yeah, yes, in Michigan. 1:26:33 - Lara And then of course there's Colorado right. 1:26:36 - Trevor Yes, which was one of the early blueprints for that. But look, I'm sorry, I have to go to catch a plane. 1:26:42 - Lara No, no, no it's fine, I'm sorry, it's fine, trevor, listen, we're gonna talk again, because this goes back so many years, it's so important and we haven't even begun to really unmask all of it. So you go, catch your plane, I don't want to make you miss it. I appreciate you making time for us, and I know your wife's in charge there of all the technical things, so thank her for us too. 1:27:09 - Trevor Yeah, well, she fixed the problem, but I should have done it earlier. No, but I appreciate the interview and I appreciate your team and your patience. So thanks so much. 1:27:18 - Lara We're so glad to talk to you and, for those people wondering, you're from New Zealand, but you have spent a long time in this country and know a lot more about American politics than a lot of us, and so we're very, very grateful to you for all the hits you've taken, all the attacks, all the targeting. You've stood firm. You've backed it all up with research. You have receipts from here to Timbuktu for everything you're talking about. It's not conspiracy. They like to call you a far right conspiracy theorist. So final word on that what's your? 1:27:49 - Trevor response Look, I am a constitutional, I support the constitution, I love America, I love freedom. I want the West to survive. I want Sri Lankans to run Sri Lanka. I want Indians to run India. I want Canadians to run Canada. I want Americans to run America, south Africans to run South Africa. I believe in the constitution, I believe we're answerable to God and I just want my fellow man to prosper, and freedom is the only way we prosper. And freedom takes courage, and courage comes from faith. That's what I'd say. If that's this you want to label me, label me that way. 1:28:34 - Lara You know you're a brave man and a great man, and it is a real pleasure to talk to you. We've admired and respected you from a distance for a very long time, so thank you so much for joining us. 1:28:43 - Trevor Trevor Really appreciate it. Likewise, thank you for going rogue with Lara Logan. 1:28:48 - Lara Yes, We'll talk to you again. Go make your plane. 1:28:52 - Trevor Yep, okay, thanks, bye-bye, bye-bye. 1:28:54 - Lara Thank you so much for watching Going Rogue with Lara Logan. Please make sure that you like and share and subscribe. We literally cannot do any of this without you, so we are relying on you to support our independent journalism. 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