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You should be really upset that no one in the medical establishment is able to put evidence on the television, able to put a placebo trial on New York Times.

It should be front page.

We found it Because right now it's been done five times at least, maybe 10 vaccinated versus unvaccinated studies.

Every single one is showing the same problem the vaccinated are sick and the unvaccinated are healthy, as all get out.

Welcome to this edition of Going Rogue with Lara Logan.

My guest today is one of my most favorite people in the whole world, because he really singularly just doesn't care what anyone says about him.

That's only one of the things that I love about him.

He is someone that many of you probably know.

His name is Del Bigtree, and he's not just one of the boldest people I know, he's one of the funniest, actually.

People don't usually see that side of you, del.

Not always, but I have seen it.

It's pretty spectacular and really the reason we're talking today is because you have been.

There's not many people that can say they're true pioneers, but you really were someone who forged a path in the world of vaccines before 99% of other people had figured out that there was a problem.

And you know, today you still get attacked.

But back then, I mean you were literally treated like a heretic.

Yeah, yeah, I mean, when it started it was headlines, you were literally treated like a heretic.

Yeah.

Yeah, I mean when it started it was headlines you're a baby killer.

There was, you know.

It all started when I made the film Vaxxed and so there was bomb threats at theaters.

We would get sorry, your film can't screen tonight.

There's been a bomb threat in the theater or headlines would come out from the local medical association attacking us.

So yeah, it was uh controversial.

I think I would only just sort of correct your statement in one way there's always been a medical freedom movement uh you know, vaccine hesitancy, whatever you want to call it, anti-vax I mean long before I got here, but I think that that's what I think what I brought to it was media exposure exposure.

right, it was media Exposure.

Exposure right, yeah.

It was.

There was these people here and the big shift was they weren't.

They had stopped talking to press.

You know they had stopped.

They'd given up.

They'd given up and they were so afraid because they would say to me Del, they take everything we're saying out of context.

I said so.

Then you've decided to not have any press at all.

They weren't.

No press was allowed into the events they were having, the autism events.

So I said so how do you expect to ever reach all the masses that are having this issue?

They're all alone in their houses, not knowing you're here, not knowing there's a community, not knowing that there's people.

So I just said you know I'm going to use a different tactic.

I'm going to talk to every single camera that will have me and I invite the attacks.

In fact, it's great advertising.

They would have really salacious headlines, so of course someone's going to read it.

And there's Dell Big Tree.

You know what I mean.

What are some of the?

worst things they said about you.

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Oh, I mean it was always that I mean.

The one I love is that they say I'm personally responsible for measles outbreaks.

I mean that's almost like I mean it was always that I mean.

The one I love is that they say I'm personally responsible for measles outbreaks.

I mean that's almost like I mean it's hard to not get a delusion of grandeur over that.

I mean like I've got like godlike qualities.

I'm, like you know, starting measles outbreaks because I've changed some people's state of mind.

When I was in New York years ago during the measles outbreak in the Hasidic Jewish community, I went out to speak to that community and all the you know I'm standing there with cameras and they're all like this measles outbreak is because of you.

I was like really, I mean, first of all, the measles outbreak is happening amongst adults.

I've only been here for two years or three years talking about this, but and also I mean to to take it to the step that I would take it there would be people that come up to me and say I actually really agree with you and the work that you're doing, but the news station or the newspaper I work at will never let me cover this story.

I was like do a hit piece about me and like what I was like yeah, just write a really salacious headline, attack me.

And the only thing is just let let just quote.

Like quote me accurately.

I don't care what the question is or even what the statement is.

Take the paper's bias, but just make sure I get a full quote, because I want people to see what I'm saying.

When people see how I'm defending that and your paper will think you're attacking me okay, that's a first.

Yeah, that's a first for for me that, and it's pretty ingenious.

Um, ingenious because that was what you had to do to get that story in the media.

I was set on.

You know, I remember saying to, we had, you know, really a very small group of angels that helped make Vaxxed and helped put that on tour so that we could work.

But one of them said to me, you know, by the the time, uh, you know, covid was hitting and it was all an election, and uh, and she, she said to me you know, adele, I've always supported the work that you're doing.

I'm a big fan and you've said a lot of, really made a lot of bold claims and things that you could achieve, she's like.

But in the beginning there was one thing you said you would say I'm going to make this vaccine issue the central conversation of the next presidential election, and she's like, I think he's out over the tips of his skis a little bit and she said look, it's happened.

I mean vaccines became a central figure, huge issue yeah.

And it was controversial, right?

I didn't care that it was controversial.

I wanted everybody talking about it, because if you're talking about it, we begin a debate.

There has to be a debate, and I was just on a podcast the other day and they were saying I think it's split now 50-50 across America.

My audience is split 50-50 on this issue.

When I'm talking to you, I said that's great, because when I started back in 2016, it was like 10%, 90%.

Yeah.

And I do think I think we're right at about 50-50 coin toss now, whether you are vaccine hesitant or you're pro-vaccine, and it's really dramatic.

There's no one in the middle, there's very few people like, oh, I don't really have an opinion on the subject.

Yeah, we are.

It's a very strong opinionated space, but we're the ones gaining ground.

We are absolutely in the, I would say.

First of all, if you hit 50%, then it's an even tug of war.

But when you came from 10% just a few years ago to be here, we are the ones with momentum.

We are you know what I mean.

Our sailboat is about to go racing into the future and really I think what this conversation is about is science.

I think that you know it sort of came out.

I think this is a come to science moment, not a come to Jesus moment.

We're going to come to science moment.

Well, it could be both.

Yeah.

In a way, right yeah, because when you figure out what they've actually been doing and how the science has been manipulated and suppressed, and what's really inside these vaccines and how harmful they've been to so many people, then that's more than just a come to science moment.

That's actually a moment where, finally, people are not going to be, they're not just going to accept this.

But I say that because I think we've held science in a higher position than God.

Than God yeah.

Right.

We have bowed down to science in the modern world as though it's better than religion doesn't rely on faith, oh, science disproves God is what they want you to believe.

In fact, it's the opposite.

Science actually proves the existence of God, because at a certain point science runs out Good science does.

This isn't even that.

This is no science.

I mean, that is really what's going to be hard for people.

I think the people that are on that 50%, that are still clinging to this God of man, this God of vaccines, this ability to protect me against the nature itself, this war with nature, this war with God, what they think they're clinging to is some established set of proofs, of hypotheses that became theories and that were tested.

And what you realize you have realized this, what I've realized in this investigation and what every major scientist that we're watching, changed their minds.

The Peter McCullough, most published heart doctor in the world, covid, woke him up.

Then I said, and he would say on my show the childhood vaccine program is still great, but the COVID vaccine was rushed.

I was like Peter, that's not true.

That's not true.

In fact, the COVID vaccine is the most tested, the best tested vaccine that's ever been made.

Compared to the others.

Compared to the children's vaccine program so I want to just set the stage here.

One of the reasons we're talking now yeah, um, I would say there's two main reasons.

One is what you're talking about is that people are just figuring out that there is no science behind vaccines.

Yeah, just a lot of money and exploitation, yeah, and then some horrific things that we're going to talk about.

But the other reason we're talking now is that you have this new film out.

What's it called?

Again?

An Inconvenient Study.

That's right.

I loved it, by the way.

It's a fabulous film, really well done, and on the one hand you know, very easy to watch, but then on the other hand, it's kind of it's hard to watch in another sense, because it's like the whole truth is gradually dawning on me about just exactly how vast this is and how many years we've been lied to and the harm that we've done to ourselves and to our children and the harm that we've done to ourselves and to our children, so that these people could get rich, and whatever their other objectives are, which we can also talk about.

But I would just say an inconvenient truth for anyone who hasn't An inconvenient study, An inconvenient study, that's right.

I sort of did that for that, almost like a joke right, yeah, yeah.

You know you want something inconvenient this study's inconvenient.

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Okay, so, so, uh, tell us what the film is about.

So the heart of the film um is a true story that I, when I was traveling you know when I I first of all I was a producer on the CBS talks with the doctors, so I would consider myself a medical producer, probably more than anything else.

I mean, that was your beat, right that was my beat, and so then I made a film about vaccines, very, as we said, controversial, got kicked out of Tribeca Film Festival and that was when that was 2016.

That came out in the beginning of 2016.

And that catapulted me into a whole other world Disgusting.

Now that film was just about autism and the MMR vaccine and a whistleblower inside the CDC that said they were committing scientific fraud in the CDC on the vaccine safety studies, specifically this MMR measles, mumps, rubella vaccine and autism.

And I love the way you included that in the film.

By the way, seeing those lines of people outside the theaters to see that film, that was quite something it was something it was not.

I mean, when I got involved with it I I thought this is going to be big.

This is a very, very big story.

You just don't know what that means.

And then you know when I'd show up to theaters and it was like star.

I was like the first time we went to a major theater.

I was used to.

We were doing art houses to start out with, but I showed up in the Orange County at this giant theater and there was five people wide all the way down around the bit, like down the block.

And I swear I said to the people that had like brought us in to do a screening I was like what movie is showing here today?

And it looks like Star Wars and they're like that's vaxxed.

I was like no way, that's our movie Like thousands of people lined up standing out there all day to get in.

Yeah, and it's California because it was amazing, Because healthy people in California were onto this right.

Yes.

And healthy Democrats Well, yeah, and really, as it turned out and as I say in the movie, I wanted to know, like by our second screening in New York at the Angelica Theater where we first it's our first screening after we kicked out of Tribeca Film Festival there was a line down the block and I wanted to know who's in the audience, and so we were doing Q&As after every screening.

And so I said to Andy and Polly, my co-producers, that were part of the screening, the Q&As.

I said I want to ask a question before we start.

I said part of the screen, the Q&A is, so I want to ask a question before we start.

So would everyone with a vaccine injured child please stand up.

And three quarters of the room stood up.

I mean, it really was a moment for me.

I knew there was a problem, like you know, but you know when you do a story you're still in a little strange microcosm.

You don't know how big this bubble is.

I interviewed like five or 10 families, but now I'm looking at 80 families just stood up and the other remaining 30 people are looking around them like what is going on?

It felt like the oxygen was sucked out of the room.

I'll never forget that moment, but I asked that question.

That just became the theme.

I asked it every single screening, four screenings a day, five days a week for an entire year, and for the entire year three quarters of the audience kept standing up.

I'm like, oh my God, how did we get here?

How did this get so bad?

How have they gotten away with this?

Making us believe that there is no injury, vaccines are perfectly safe and effective, that this is a lie.

There's no way that's happening, but anyway to get back.

Wait, I just want to say that watching that in the film was so moving for me.

I thought that was one of the really powerful moments and a film that has many powerful moments but seeing all those people rise and realizing, I think when you started out you knew you had a big story, but, like you say, you're kind of in a bubble, yeah.

And then what you discovered actually was that you had such a big story that they were never going to let it come out.

They want to do everything they could to suppress it.

It's too big, yes, it's too big, yeah, it's that big that it's too big because you've got big pharma, you've got big government, you've got all the people that the medical establishment, yeah, all the people that have a vested interest in maintaining this lie yeah right there was a I once just you know, I once, um, was in israel talking about it.

I got invited out to Israel Amazing journey there.

I could go into so many stories, but there was a professor there that was famous for I think he called it a crime cyclone.

He was known for this concept of when someone makes a mistake, they cheat on their taxes.

The secretary recognized that they cheated on their taxes and told somebody Now that somebody has now gone to the IRA, whatever.

And then they go and they end up having to kill somebody.

It was started as a little problem and how, by the end, they've killed eight, 10 people and this happens.

He's like this is something that happens a lot, that people make a small error and they just keep compounding that to cover up that original error.

I think this is like that, your government, you know.

They start out with some scientists with a great idea Vaccines.

Great idea we could inject little, you know, maybe a piece of a virus, a virus that's a cousin of the really dangerous virus, and somehow your body, you know activate your immune system to be amazing and we're all going to be healthier.

Somebody just died from the smallpox vaccine.

Oh well, shit to be amazing and we're all going to be healthier.

Somebody just died from the smallpox vaccine.

Oh well, shit, don't tell anybody.

Don't tell anybody.

Just keep that one, just push that one off to the side.

And then, well, so what do we do?

Well, I don't know.

Last week I watched them push a baby off the side.

I guess we have to do this thing because another one just died.

And so it starts with like there's no liability, you're protecting the industry, the government's involved.

It's hiding any issues it's having, it didn't know how big it was.

Now it's taking on the liability.

And now, wait, we got 5,000 people lined up.

Every one of their kids is saying they got autism after a vaccine.

Well, we got to squash that down.

We got to say that doesn't exist, because then nobody's going to have vaccines.

Nobody's going to have vaccines, we have to say there's mountains of evidence that prove that's not true.

And then they just kept piling this crime cyclone.

It's a cyclone of lies and deceit, all because it started with a good idea that got off track.

Smallpox killed some children.

Smallpox vaccine started outbreaks in certain towns and cities that may have never had an outbreak.

They knew that Polio vaccine caused cancer in millions of people because of the simian retrovirus.

You've covered all of these stories and they covered all these things up.

This product was never perfectly safe.

It was always dangerous and the problems what I think has happened.

We've gotten off the track of what my movie's about, but this is the when people try to understand, like where we're at.

You, you I think that the original idea of vaccines was probably is a great idea if it worked, and you had people that were in the behind the scenes, I think, trying to fix the problems.

But this product only works if everybody takes it.

So let's put a happy, smiley face on it, let's make it look perfect.

While we will do our due diligence, we'll be behind the scenes fixing the problems.

Why is the polio vaccine causing cancer?

Why is the polio vaccine causing some people to have polio and paralyzing them.

We got to figure out that problem.

The problem is it became so much the smiley face, the happy march of dimes, and we're saving people from polio and we're stopping paralysis and all of this hype propaganda, if you will.

And then, slowly but surely, the scientists that knew the truth, they start dying.

They're dying off.

They never told you what they were doing in their lab.

They never said we're trying to fix the problems of the vaccine.

And slowly butarma stops just advertising the public.

It's starting to buy up your universities.

It's making your textbooks so it's raising doctors to believe there are no problems here.

And the last dying people that are in a back room trying to figure out the problem never told anybody.

And so now you just have this blissful.

We've got this amazing, perfectly safe product.

We never have to test for safety.

That's why I think we find ourselves in the current moment.

And there's one other part of that, del, that makes me sick to my stomach.

They made hundreds of millions of dollars, billions, billions.

Just the COVID vaccine alone made $100 billion or more.

Yeah, so I don't care how invested they get in their problem.

I don't care how far back the coverup goes.

If I were one of the people in your film, if I were one of those parents I mean, whether it's the parent who lost their child, whether it's the parent whose son is now in a neck brace, you know, I mean it doesn't matter that, knowing that these people knowingly let you do something and then they lied about it and then they covered it up.

And not only that, but they're still doing it.

Every single day.

And in fact, you watch TV today.

I can't believe the things they want you to get vaccinated for.

It's endless vaccine commercials.

How dare they do that?

I've gone from being one of those people that I'm not anti-vax I vax my babies.

I vaccinated my kids when they were born and now I'm one of those people that says hell yeah, I'm anti-vax.

I will never again in my life take another vaccine of any description.

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I think that there's been.

You're absolutely right.

They don't stop because, we have to remember, the pharmaceutical industry is the most, I would say it's the most powerful industry in the world.

It is the best funded, it buys more politicians, it has more lobbyists than any industry there is in America.

If you watch More lawyers.

More lawyers, more lobbyists, more money, more and not just the government.

It pays for more advertising and television.

It's pulling 50 to 70% of the advertising, which means every single news anchor doesn't work for CBS or NBC.

They work for Pfizer, they work for Sanofi Aventis.

If Sanofi calls the head of NBC and says, what was that report on a danger of vaccines?

I think Katie Couric was the last one to ever attempt to do it Maybe Cheryl Atkinson on a primetime channel and then they said that is never going to happen again or we will pull all of our funding from this network.

And from that moment on, we have watched news anchors that will never touch what I think is the biggest story in our lifetime.

This is bigger than war.

This is bigger than anything else, because this is about the governments of the world poisoning their own children and their own people at numbers that are so astronomical.

It's why they get away from it.

It's so improbable that it's happened that people.

Just you can't believe it.

You just that can't be true, Del.

It cannot be true.

Unfortunately, and this is what we've done since Vaxxed is show the evidence and that's what's in this film.

Well, that's why they respond to that.

You know why would they do that?

That's the next question.

You can see the disbelief their heads.

It's so improbable I can't believe this.

And then, and then now, justify it to me.

And they want us to justify the actions of evil people.

I can't do that because I'm not evil and I would never do that to anyone.

So, you're asking the wrong person.

Hold.

Hold them accountable.

Don't ask me why they did what they did.

Ask them Right, but no one ever holds them to account, In fact, so much so that they got immunity in 1986, right?

Yeah, 86.

When they got immunity.

I mean that should tell you everything.

Why do you need that if it's safe?

I think that's when I first started talking to friends, when I got into this issue, like I don't understand what it is.

You know it's protected.

You cannot.

It's one of the only I think it's the only product other than guns you you can't sue the manufacturer.

I mean for guns, like someone has to be using it.

The lawsuit can't go to the gun maker.

They didn't kill the person or whatever.

But vaccines is the only product that you cannot sue the manufacturer of.

That product if it kills you or it kills your children or it injures your children, totally protected from liability and what could possibly go wrong.

We're talking about the pharmaceutical industry that pays out multi-billion dollar lawsuits for lying about what Safety?

The same industry gets caught with products you can sue on and when we can sue them, we watch these products lose massive lawsuits, finally get pulled from the market and they still make a profit.

In 1986, when they took liability away, you know what they did they blackmailed Ronald Reagan.

Why?

Because they said it's in court documents.

We are losing so much money from death and injury cases, lawsuits against our vaccine products, that we cannot make a profit.

It's the only thing we've ever seen pharma have they can handle Johnson.

Johnson made a fortune off of talcum powder before.

Two or three years ago we finally proved you always knew it had asbestos in it.

You know fen-phen, vioxx I mean, we've watched this time and time again.

You know, if you look at you know Oxycontin, watch that whole lot.

When people like you're telling me my doctor's in on this Same doctors that, whether on purpose or accidentally, prescribed you with a totally addictive substance and told you it's not addictive, why did they say that?

Maybe it's not their fault when they went to their priests, the CDC of this religion, and they read the CDC, it says perfectly safe, non-habit forming.

Fda.

And in the middle I'm in the middle of the OxyContin epidemic.

Fda asks you know the Sackler family and those, will you do a study to see if we can give this stuff to kids?

And lo and behold, when they did their own study.

Yeah, it's safe for kids too.

In the middle, we already have 60,000 people dying a year of overdoses now, and FDA is helping the industry lower the age in which OxyContin can be used, and your doctors were a part of that, I think.

I say that because we've got to stop holding doctors on this pedestal.

I mean, I'm not saying they mean well, I'm saying they're kind of stupid.

You know what I mean.

I'm sorry, I know it's offensive, but to get back to an inconvenience study, let me just say what it is, because I got way off track.

It's when I was traveling with Vaxxed.

I'm traveling all over the country and somebody said I know the head of infectious disease at Henry Ford Health.

Would you like to have dinner?

I'm like heck, yeah, I mean, henry Ford Health is one of the greatest research institutes in the world.

And so I sat down with this gentleman his name was Dr Marcus Servos back in 2016.

And I'll never forget, when we first sat down, he said to me Del, I don't know why I'm here, I'm pro vaccine.

I don't really agree with what you're up to, but I did watch your film, vaxxed.

It's very compelling.

Um, and he said and there's something you've been saying as you're traveling the country, been watching your youtube videos and social media stuff, and you keep saying they've never done the proper science to establish safety in vaccines that they were making claims.

Right, they hadn't.

They would say there's no evidence.

Yeah, because you refuse to study it right.

And he said to me so I sit on the biggest database in the world and I went and did some research because I wanted to be able to show you the evidence.

And he said and I am shocked that I have to sit across from you at this table and tell you you're right.

That's how the conversation started.

I was like what he's like?

There is no safety science.

We never did placebo trials or anything to establish safety.

He said.

Now that doesn't mean they're not safe, it just means we can't say that they're safe.

Yeah, that we're making a claim for which we have no evidence, nothing to back it up.

So it was impressive.

He was impressive that he would at least admit that.

Yes, that's huge.

He still had sort of a religious belief in the product anyway.

He said so I don't know what I can do for you, but I just thought you should know that evidence is not there.

I said I wouldn't have said it otherwise.

And when was?

this 2016.

And so I said you know what you could do.

You do scientific research, you do big studies.

Why don't you do a study that compares the health outcomes of vaccinated kids compared to completely unvaccinated kids?

That's never been done.

All of this studies they do.

It's partially vaxxed.

You got 20 vaccines compared to someone that got 22 vaccines.

See, there's no difference between the health outcomes.

No, I want the health outcomes of vaccine compared to those kids that get none.

And he said I would do that study and that's what the inconvenience study is.

He did do that study.

It took a couple of years for me to talk him into it.

I only had one rule Whatever you find, he kept stating to me how pro-vaccine he was.

So it was clearly a risk to my perspective, which is I think these things are dangerous.

You're going to try and prove otherwise, but whatever you find in this study, publish it.

He's like I will follow the data.

I'm a scientist, I follow the data.

I said it could be damaging to your career.

He said don't worry about that, I'm about to retire anyway.

So I was like this is perfect.

This is a perfect scenario.

Well, the study finally got finished in 2020.

And, of course, as we had feared, did not publish, it would not publish, it kept calling will you please publish it?

So I finally said can we have dinner?

Can I fly out to Detroit and sit down with you and have?

dinner, and that's when you had the hidden camera I brought hidden cameras and recording equipment, because I knew I want.

first of all, I want whatever's in that study, because I thought he was just going to tell me I still hadn't seen it.

I want some form of proof of what was there.

And you can see in the film he hands me the study for the first time.

We're reading through it for the first time and the results are shocking.

An institution like Henry Ford Health and a self-stated pro-vaccine scientist he stated you can see in the hidden camera footage brags about I'm the reason we have a mandated vaccine program for every worker at Henry Ford Health.

This study ends up showing unpublished, stated it's an unpublished study.

They refused to publish it.

We've now made a movie.

Why is it unpublished is one of the big questions.

But the results?

Conclusion of the study you are 2.5 times more likely to have a chronic disease if you were vaccinated compared to if you're not vaccinated.

So I mean you're healthier if you're not vaccinated.

Hands down in every category you would care about.

And this is because the vaccines attack your immune system.

I think it's.

I don't know that the vaccine attacks your immune system, but it dysregulates your immune system.

So, your immune system starts attacking cells in your own body, which is what I think by definition autoimmune or immune dysregulations that's what that means, and we're in the middle of an autoimmune disease crisis we are now at.

In our film we state 54% of children have chronic disease.

That's if you include obesity, and I think there's questions why children are having so much.

I think food is a problem, but other issues, endocrine disruptors, all of these problems.

But even if you take that out, you're at.

I think Bobby Kennedy is saying 40% of kids have either a neurological disorder or an autoimmune disease.

So we've now reached a place 40% almost half.

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Up from 12% just in the 1980s.

In the 1980s, when we were getting 10 vaccines, we had a chronic illness rate of about 12.8%.

As soon as we 1986, liability protection the vaccine program explodes to 54 shots, 72 total vaccines because some of them have multiple diseases in them, 72.

And at that same time we go from 12% chronic disease to 54% chronic disease.

So that, officially, is the greatest decline in human health that has ever been recorded.

And what I would say people will say to me Del, how do you know?

It's vaccines.

I mean, robert Kennedy Jr has said I'm putting it all on the table.

We're going to look at plastics forever, chemicals, pfas, bisphenols, pesticides on our food, the colored dyes, the petroleum dyes he's taking out of the food, lead, arsenic, you name it.

It should all be on the table.

But when you think about this product, if we're talking about immune dysregulation, shouldn't we look at the only one of those products would you describe as designed to alter your immune system for life?

Yeah.

If we have an immune system problem, maybe we should look there and closest there.

So it is important to point out, of course, that the Henry Ford organization right has come after you pretty hard.

They responded to the film by saying that it was really interesting because I went through their response.

Obviously, they say that their argument is that the study is flawed, the data is flawed, and so, although they've got at least five points, all of them really come back to the data is flawed.

Yes.

Am I wrong?

That seems to be their only real argument is that everything you said and did is invalid because the data is corrupt.

Am I wrong?

That seems to be their only real argument is that everything you said and did is invalid because the data is corrupt.

Right, and it's their data?

Yeah, but they say that's why they didn't publish it because the data was corrupt, so we didn't publish it.

The data is flawed.

It's our data.

It's the best.

Honestly, it's the best data we've ever seen in a study.

There are 18,000 kids in the study.

Roughly About 2,000 of them are unvaccinated.

This is better than the CDC's own data.

Not only does Henry Ford, because it's their health system and their health insurance system.

So these kids are, it's all Henry Ford.

So if they get their vaccines, if they have an illness and they go to a Henry Ford Center, we have all that data.

But because it's also the insurance system, even if they are living somewhere else or move somewhere else and went to another practitioner.

They still get that, they still have that data.

So it has it's the best data set we've ever seen to do this study.

So to say, the data is flawed.

I don't know what I mean, clearly.

I mean to me, my opinion is the data is flawed because it's not giving them the results that they want.

And then they say that the study doesn't meet the scientific standards that they stand by.

I was like this is your head of infectious disease, marcus Zervos, just ran your Moderna trials for the Moderna vaccine for COVID, if you thought that he wasn't doing studies that were up to scratch, why would you keep-.

Why is he still there At?

that level?

Why is he at the WHO right now?

Why is he being celebrated worldwide for being one of the top scientists in this field?

You're telling me he doesn't know how to do a proper study.

So he was right about everything else, but not this.

But this yeah, you know, our data works in every other study we do, but here it's flawed.

Our methodology works every time Zervos does it, but here he doesn't meet the scientific muster.

We're the very best at what we do, but except for this time, except for this time.

That's it.

That's the argument.

It's a joke.

I think it is your lawyers are going to be having a heart attack.

Hearing you talk about this right Aren't they coming after you.

They sent a cease and desist letter prior to the movie coming out, just when we had put out a trailer and Ron Johnson had a Senator.

Ron Johnson had a hearing on it.

They immediately sent out a cease and desist letter and accused said you know, basically accusing us of defamation, the idea being that they are a research center.

They do you know God knows how many millions, hundreds of millions of dollars in medical research.

And to say that they would bury footage or not publish something just because the results they think undermines their credibility.

And I'm stating all that because I believe in the scientific method.

Their complaint should be known, right?

I'm not trying to hide that.

I'm saying we still released the film.

This study is still being read now by scientists across the world.

I think it's the biggest scientific debate that's going on right now.

How good is this study?

Could this study be any better?

And, as you know, in the film, that's the beauty of the, you know, hidden camera footage.

And, by the way, they sent the cease and desist letter before they knew I had recorded their head scientist.

And so I read that cease and desist letter on the high wire and stated look, this is my opinion.

I'm allowed to have my opinion, but my opinion isn't just coming from nowhere.

My opinion is coming from all the scientists that I've already interviewed that attempted to do studies like this and either did lose their license or have their license under threat.

So I know the threat that comes from doing work like this.

That affects my opinion.

I've also been suing the government of the United States with my nonprofit Informed Consent Action Network and I've won more lawsuits than anyone in this health space and they will say it's misinformation.

I will say you should try winning lawsuits against the government of the United States using misinformation.

It doesn't work that way.

That is extremely rare.

It doesn't work that way, and so I have an opinion based on those lawsuits that we've won.

But mostly my opinion is served by the conversation I had with the head of infectious disease from Henry Ford Health that happened to be the lead author on this unpublished study.

And well, hear from yourself.

Here's our new trailer.

They must.

I can't even imagine what Henry Ford thought Like what They've got and what does he say?

I asked him is it a good study?

It's a good study.

Is there any way to do the study better?

I don't know how you could do the study any better, you know.

Is it an important study?

It's an important study.

Why are you not publishing it?

Because it will be the end of my career.

I would be finished.

Those are his words, not mine, and so is this the end of his career?

I you know.

Is he still talking to you?

No, I mean no.

I haven't talked to him since that dinner, really.

But Did you feel bad secretly recording him?

I didn't feel bad recording him.

I mean, look it is, you know it's not.

I'll say this it's not my usual journalistic style.

It's not my usual, you know, journalistic style.

I'm not James O'Keefe, you know.

I'm impressed by people that do that work.

It's kind of stressful.

It's very stressful.

I don't know how he does it.

You won't see a history of me.

You know gotcha-ing people.

This is different.

But I didn't really see myself in that dinner as a journalist.

I saw this more as man to man.

This is a challenge.

This is a bet.

I made a bet with a scientist to prove me wrong.

Prove to me that the vaccinated children are healthier, because all my research is saying the opposite.

But we need a robust study to end this discussion forever.

So do that study.

He said he'd do it.

One rule publish it.

So he had reneged on an agreement.

So I was there trying to actually get him to publish it, to keep his word, to keep his word.

That's not what journalism is about.

I wasn't there to break a story.

I was there to get him to do what was right.

Yes, I can understand that.

So where does it stand now?

I mean, when you got that cease and desist letter and true Del Bigtree style.

It's been my and you know this, you probably the same way.

It's been my whole career.

Even when I worked on the doctor's television show, the lawyers would pull me aside at the Christmas party and say you cost us more money than every other producer on the show right.

That was at CBS, right, yeah, at CBS, we're both CBS refugees.

They're like do you know how expensive you are?

I was like.

I'm also your highest rated producer.

Right, they're like no, look, we love it, but I mean God you make our lives hell.

Oh yeah, we love it, but can you Break all those stories and report things no one else is reporting.

Challenge multi-billion dollar companies.

Please don't do that, god forbid.

We have to do our jobs and actually defend you, right.

Yeah, no, we don't want to do that.

Could you just be a good boy, del Right, and just thumbs up for vaccines?

Okay, so what did you do?

How did you react?

Well, I mean, there really hasn't been any interaction since then with Henry Ford, I would say.

And about Dr Marcus Zervos, I would say to Henry Ford I hope you don't fire him.

I mean, look, he did what you wanted him to do.

I mean he seems like a decent guy, he has a conscience.

He, you know, I think people, I think there will definitely be people that would argue with that, but that is the argument when you watch the film and it's-.

Well, yeah, and I see the argument, though, because he was pro-vaccine, and if you know the truth about vaccines, how could anyone be pro-vaccine?

And you know what people's bias.

I think you say that as a journalist because you've interviewed so many people.

We understand I'm fascinated by people.

It's not shocking to me that he can't do what's right because his bias and his life look, his life's work is being questioned here too, you know.

But as he's, you can tell what's so interesting about it and let people watch it themselves, because that's what makes this movie fascinating it has a real, true moment where, when you think about the dangerous people, the manglas and those that like, kill, like make a decision to kill millions of people.

Actually, in this film you are watching a scientist, who appears to be a nice guy, that is making a decision that could literally destroy millions of children's lives, and you get a sense he can feel that yeah but there's a greater fear than that right and and you watching that duality is what I think, even watching it myself it's fascinating.

I agree to to watch it in fact.

Can I retract my earlier statement now that you put it that way?

It is true, you have that human part of you that you know.

I just you're so relieved that he had enough human decency to do the study.

To do the study.

A study that everyone else was.

Refused to do.

Refused to do.

Or I mean that I think is the bigger question.

Are there thousands of Zervoses out there?

that have been working at CDC that we don't know about.

That have been working at NHS that were fired.

Or thousands of Zervoses out there that have been working in the CDC, that have been working at NHS, or that just did it and said, oh, burn that.

Well, let's try to, because and I say in the film, this is the most obvious study you would ever do, the most obvious study known to man to prove vaccinations work and Robert Kennedy Jr's a nutter and Della Bigtree's crazy is.

Here's a study vaccinated are so much healthier than the unvaccinated.

This is over how and that's the that is the biggest question comes out of this film.

Why is there not a single institution in the world that can do the most obvious study known to man compare the groups that got vaccines versus those that don't?

If those that don't are really disease carrying, they must be dying at younger ages.

Prove that show that Show that?

Yeah, let's see it.

They can't.

And you know what is even more shocking than that?

If it's true that the study is flawed, why not respond to this film by saying okay, let's do a study.

Yeah.

Why isn't everyone else?

It doesn't matter.

What are you talking about?

Scripps Howard, media Foundation?

I mean not the Media Foundation, the Scripps Howard, the medical part, right?

I mean all of those institutions, the National Institutes of Health, the American Pediatric Association.

Why are all of these people not lining up to do studies?

Because they can say?

You know why, del?

Because when I watched that film and I saw what you have seen for so many years, I saw those people whose children, some of whom, were killed, some of whom they just lost them forever to this world of silence.

That family with the triplets.

I know it's amazing, you have three kids.

You literally think that, surely, of those three kids, not all of them, but all of them- go down On the same day, lose the ability to communicate from vaccinations earlier that morning.

That one story and I use that story because it all by itself it's rare that you could imagine one small study in this family.

Three triplets get vaccinated in the morning.

The first child at noon shuts off eyes, just go blank and they're suddenly gone.

They see it with their own eyes.

Then, an hour later, the second child.

And then I mean I always when I do talks and I play this video.

I can't even breathe when you think about can you imagine being parents?

You've watched the two and she's like an audio, like she's a.

She works with disabled kids, is doing the tests on her own kids and suddenly they're not there, they're not responding, they're in.

Oh my god, we've lost them oh yeah, because she's the audio specialist right and she knows this thing in the ear that Stapedial reflex or something like that, like how to test it?

Yes and she tests it and it's non-functional.

It's non-functional.

All of a sudden, but can you imagine you're watching that third child.

I mean I just can't imagine the horror.

You're praying, please, god.

No, not all three, it can't be.

And then when they say, and then we lost that third child, it's the most devastating.

I think it's the most devastating story you can imagine as a parent, and not to discount the millions of people that have lost children to this, but that one, and it proves that this is not genetic and that's where we're at now.

What we're at is that, you know, didn't the medical establishment try to say, oh, it's genetic?

And that's where we're at now.

What we're at is that, you know, didn't they try to say?

Didn't the medical establishment try to say, oh, it's genetic?

And then the geneticist says that's impossible.

Yeah, the geneticist is absolutely no way.

They're like I don't know why they sent you to us, because that is impossible.

Three kids, genetics, don't all click and have this thing happen on one day.

Also, what I found so enlightening about the geneticist is that he put the time on it.

Remember how many years did he say it would have to take?

I mean normally genetic mutations and genetic anomalies and all of that.

Generations.

Right, and that was what was very powerful.

Yes, yes, because it takes generations.

Don't tell me you come back from a vaccine and all three kids go down in one day and you're going to try it.

He said it would take 100 years for that to happen.

Something like that.

You know what I?

think what was really interesting about making this movie compared to Vaxxed and the journey and the distance between these two.

But with Vaxxed one of the things we had was how many stories do we have to tell?

Vaxxed has got stories all the way through personal stories.

It's filled with them.

Because I had to prove this thing exists autism Because it was rare.

It was still even when that film came out.

I don't know at that point was maybe one in 50, I guess.

Now we're at one in 34.

Nationally, california, one in 12.5 boys in the most recent study is being diagnosed with autism.

This is this is to to worry about COVID, that a death rate of like 0.3%.

That's a pandemic and epidemic.

We have an epidemic that is claiming nearly probably one out of 10 of our boys now and we're like and no one in the news will even talk about it.

I mean that right there she said is there something wrong?

We talk about everything like this, a crisis this big, we would be talking about it.

But when we were making this film, suddenly I'm not talking about a one in 30 or one in 100 child or Rain man that you went and saw a movie Like well, that's weird, I've never seen one of those people, and that's where we were at right, that's why that movie was so successful.

One of those people, and that's where we were at right, that's why that movie was so successful Rain man.

Like interesting, I don't think I've ever seen a person like that.

Now, what the medical establishment is telling us is it's always been there.

Oh no, you've been seeing that.

It's been one in 12.5 boys since the dawn of man.

No, it has not.

No it has not.

I know I would have known that there was not a kid there was.

I remember there was one really awkward kid in my entire elementary school of what 1,000 kids or something like that.

Yeah, everybody knew that kid and everyone knew that kid.

That wasn't one in 12.

No way, come on.

But in this film we're talking about chronic disease, which is now one in 54.

There's now one in 54.

In this study it showed that within 10 years of vaccinated child, 57% likelihood they will have a chronic disease and only a 17% chronic disease in the unvaccinated group.

That is a massive, massive gap.

But when we were making the movie I was like I don't think we have to prove this is happening.

When we were making the movie I was like I don't think we have to prove this is happening because odds are, almost everyone in the audience that has at least two kids.

They already have a child that has a vaccine injury.

What they're going to be saying is you don't have to prove to me that those illnesses are increasing or exist.

You're telling me that was a vaccine injury.

You're telling me ADHD is caused by vaccines.

Yeah, don't you suddenly wonder why everybody's got ADHD.

Eczema, psoriasis, the gut-bowel disease, nut allergies, Nut allergies Wait a minute, that was a vaccine injury, because I was wondering why no one in my family has a peanut allergy but I have a kid that will die if they come here.

Where did that come from?

And now, suddenly, I can't take birthday cakes to school because, because you know, half the class has penile allergies.

What why?

why did that come from yeah?

it's an outrageous.

It really is an outrageous thing, and you think not only that.

The worst part is I remember bill gates saying this in a tv interview.

Remember when he said that vaccines were the best return on investment that he had ever made?

I mean, he's literally sitting there celebrating.

Not to mention that there were young girls in India who were sterilized from his vaccines.

There were kids in Sudan that were disabled.

I mean, in a society where there is nothing, if you're disabled, you may as well be dead.

And he was sanctioned by the Indian Parliament.

All of these things happened and the media just ignored it, except for you know, you were consistent.

And the one other really consistent person that I knew was Cheryl Atkinson.

And you know, when I came to CBS News, when I moved there to Don, and you know, when I came to CBS News, when I moved there to DC and I'd been there for years in the London Bureau and five years in Baghdad, and all of a sudden I'd been around a long time and when I met Cheryl for the first time, I was told in the Bureau because I was like wow.

You know, I remember the story she did on Hillary Clinton when she exposed her for lying that when she landed in Sarajevo under fire and the real footage showed her landing and they roll out the red carpet and a little girl comes up and gives her flowers and that was such a brilliant story that Cheryl did.

It was so perfectly done and so when I met her, it was really the beginning and the end of her career.

I think she said From that point on her life cuts.

Everyone attacked her.

She started having a harder and harder time.

Well, that was when they started to say she was right wing.

But what they told me, when I was like, wow, you know, I wanted to meet Cheryl Atkinson, they said, oh yeah, you know she's good, but she's a bit of a right wing nutter.

And I'd be like what do you mean?

It's like well, you know, she says that deodorant and deperspirant causes cancer and vaccines are you know, filled with poison.

How is that right wing too?

That's what I was told at the Bureau.

That's what I was told.

And so what's weird about that is I grew up in a totally liberal family in Boulder, Colorado probably the liberal Mecca of the world and it was all the hippie Democrat liberals that didn't want chemicals in our deodorants, in our toothpaste, in our food, Organic food, the organic food movement was not built by Republicans.

No, it was built by Democrats that were afraid of pesticides and chemical companies, the same chemical companies like Monsanto that aligns with Bayer and starts making pharmaceutical products.

So one of the craziest things and I think COVID a lot like what you heard people saying is when did the Democrats become pro-pharma?

When did that happen?

When did they become pro-pesticides and herbicides and chemical companies?

It's insane.

It's really weird.

And that's what COVID exposed.

It did Because COVID was kind of a coming together of, uh, of those movements, because now, finally, people who were democrat or libertarian, they were forced to confront the reality that the government did not want you to speak publicly if you were in favor of a strong, healthy, immune system.

Isn't that amazing.

What is?

that I know Well.

I mean because, back to Bill Gates, I think that one of the things you've got to look at, I keep saying take their word for it.

Stop saying what does Bill Gates really mean?

I don't think you've got to.

Don't go, you don't have to go beneath the words.

He has two major statements that he says over and over again Vaccines are the greatest return on investment I've ever had.

And my number one goal and the biggest issue of our time is overpopulation.

Yes, right, we need to reduce population.

He doesn't say that accidentally.

He did the TED Talk, where the heart of it is how, through modern medicine and vaccines, we can reduce the population of the world.

First we've got population.

The world today has 6.8 billion people.

That's headed up to about 9 billion Now.

If we do a really great job on new vaccines, healthcare, reproductive health services, we could lower that by perhaps 10 or 15%, but there we see an increase of about 1.3.

That is a statement that came out of his mouth.

I'm paraphrasing not exactly, but they tried to retract it.

And then in the next video he's doing a whole thing on how we need to reduce the population of the world.

How there's too many people and it's causing all the population of the world, how there's too many people and it's causing the problem, all the problems of the world.

So when I'm like you know, when any of us oh, it's a conspiracy theory to say that vaccines are reduced.

Well, I mean, is it, is it?

These are the two biggest principles this guy is dealing with, and I'll say this because I'm not.

I mean, I'm not technically, I don't see myself as a conspiracy theorist.

If you read my Wikipedia or my Grockopedia or whatever the hell they call everything that wants to say that I'm dangerous to the planet Earth, you know, in the end I will say this about the vaccine program I do believe that and I think it.

I mean, I go on a limb and scare people.

I think it makes sense that giant nations are having discussions about a future where there is not enough resources to support the species.

That's an obvious conversation.

How far that goes, I don't believe in eugenics, but it's not lost on me.

I know human beings, genics, but it's not lost on me.

I know human beings From the dawn of man.

Scarcity is something that you know.

Native American tribes, where my big tree name comes from, starved to death at times where there weren't enough resources for whatever reason.

So it's always a concern, you know.

But what we have to say is what is happening.

I have to believe major leaders around the world and UN and all of them.

They say it to you.

They tell you we are worried about scarcity of resources.

We are worried.

If Bill Gates says we're going to have too much of a population, we're going to have to figure out how to deal with that.

I will say this If you want to control a population, there is not a better delivery system, a more humane delivery system, than a vaccine program.

I mean, in my same space, I'm investigating chemtrails.

What are chemtrails?

What are they?

Can I prove it?

Is it real?

Is it not?

Is it exhaust?

But people think chemtrails are being designed to reduce population or dumb us down.

I mean all these theories that are out there.

But my thing with that is well that one they're doing it to themselves, like when I think about I mean I was a Hollywood writer before I even got into the.

I went to Hollywood thinking I want to write screenplays and so I've always had this ability to think like a bad guy, like you got to write a bad guy as good as you write a good guy.

So I go into Bill Gates' head, I try to imagine, and usually bad guys are dangerous because they think what they're doing is saving the world.

They have a God complex that makes them dangerous.

It's not like I'm trying to kill people.

I think Bill Gates is genuinely believes.

If you don't listen to me, our species will not survive.

It's also how Elon Musk, I think, sees the world.

These guys that get to that place, whether you know you can choose which one you think is more benevolent than the next.

But in Bill Gates' world, I have got to figure out how to reduce population or we are all going to starve to death.

Yeah, but he's completely fine with the fact that you know, all these people can be killed, but of course it's not going to be him.

I can be killed, but of course it's not going to be him I mean, I don't know what he's fine with.

We can speculate on that, but to the point, though, is if I want to reduce population in a humane way, I don't want to poison myself, I don't want to poison the rich, productive people, as you know, as they refer to them, the useless eaters is who they're worried about.

That's how they refer to them throughout time.

Yes, that's Yuval Noah Harari.

That's what he said Correct.

He states it.

The World Economic Forum states it.

Again.

Take them for their word that AI is going to make these people.

they're going to contribute nothing, they're going to have nothing to contribute and all they're going to be doing is consuming the world's resources.

U useless eaters?

They have.

No, they give nothing to the world, but we're going to give them a universal income.

We'll take care of them, okay, sure and then someone said to him what are you talking about?

He said most of the population of africa, most of the population of india, because let's be clear about how genocidal these people are.

And then someone says to him well, have you figured out what to do with him yet?

And he laughs and he says well, no, we haven't quite figured that out, but for now we're thinking video games and narcotics.

Right, just hand them things that they take themselves out, that they remove themselves.

But I just want to make this clear because people can go.

Oh my God, here we go, he's about to.

You know, we cull deer, we kill off deer, we kill off deer.

We limit the deer population of America with a vaccine program.

We use that on animals in the wild.

We vaccinate them to remove their fertility.

Okay, so vaccines the word vaccine and, you know, removal of fertility, those are already combined in the animal population.

That's what we use it for.

And in the medical world that's already a thing.

And, as you pointed out, kenya a vaccine program, a tetanus vaccine program.

A couple of missionaries grabbed some, raced them out of the country, took them to laboratories and we know for a fact they were sterilizing the women in Kenya.

And so what better way?

I mean, let's put ourselves in the benevolent, dictator space of these psychophants that you know think that they're saving the world Sociopaths Sociopaths that think that they are doing what's right for the world.

Or that decide that they get to determine what's right for the world.

So they have a product where and they were right on track with this and we had this conversation you know conversation just before we started this interview, where we all will go to the doctor.

We've turned them into a clergy.

We don't ask a single question.

This is where this was at when I got involved.

We asked no question.

I go in, I line up and you just inject me with.

Most people don't even know what they're being injected with, don't even ask how many vaccines did your kid get?

I don't know.

When I went back, when they watched my movie, they'll say oh my God, del, my child has had asthma.

It came out of nowhere.

They were four years old and suddenly they couldn't breathe and now they can't play sports.

And I went back and I couldn't believe how many vaccines they got.

And it was right that year, it was Right that year, right at that time.

This is the awakening people are having to this thing.

But you're lining up.

You're not asking a question.

Now bring in what COVID tried to do.

Everyone's got a vaccine passport on your phone, right?

So what happens if I don't know what it's like?

It's like a QR code right, just like that.

I don't know what it says.

I don't know what it says I can get on a plane.

I don't know what it says, I don't speak code.

I don't know what it says about me, but how do you know you're not group one, you're group five, you're group seven, ga or whatever it is, and that means you get this box of vaccines.

It just so happens that, socioeconomically, we know that you are living on our universal financial plan, that you don't actually have a job.

Do you think you're getting the same vaccines as the billionaire that's running the AI company, that owns this company, that's?

I don't think so.

No, and the system knows.

I mean if-.

They know who to sterilize it and not to.

Why wouldn't they?

I?

mean you were talking about the easiest way.

Suddenly poor neighborhoods.

It's weird.

No one in Compton.

They're really having birth issues there.

It's so strange.

The African-American population is having difficulty and who were they really angry?

Remember when Robert Kennedy Jr was talking about vaccines?

And it is true, the African-Americans are having more autism.

They're having bigger issues.

What did they do?

not to mention they have more abortion clinics they said Robert Kennedy Jr is dangerous to African-Americans.

What's your obsession with African-Americans If we're saying you're all being poisoned by vaccines?

What's your obsession with that group of people?

Is it the same obsession Margaret Sanger had?

You know, I mean all of this.

If you keep coming around, eugenics keeps coming around.

By the way, who was Margaret saying his partner?

You tell me.

Bill Gates' father.

Right Apple doesn't fall very far from the tree.

Because they believe what they're saying to you.

They think they're gods.

And they don't think they need to hide it.

No, because they've had it their way for so long.

I agree.

Because it's been.

You know, there are not a lot of guys like Del Bigtree or not a lot of Cheryl Atkinsons out there who, when they started to look into this, you were not intimidated when you realized wait a minute, this is not what everybody thinks.

And they came after you, you didn't bow.

And when you say, when people say, why would they do it?

Why would the country, why would a nation lie?

Why would our government lie to us?

There's the mistaken side, like maybe they didn't know it was as problematic when they took on the liability themselves and suddenly the problem got so big and they buried too many bodies.

Yeah, they're invested in their lie.

But also if they see this as the tool for a safer growth control on the future of humanity and our species.

And if we ruin it, they don't have a backup plan.

There's no better way to just slowly start reducing the population amongst those that don't work, amongst those that are too poor, that are draining on your resources.

They want that ability.

Maybe me and Andy Wakefield and Bobby Kennedy, we're just in the way of what was such a perfect plan, del, it was a perfect plan.

Why did you have to start asking questions?

Why did you make everybody start asking wait a minute, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

How many vaccines are you about to give me?

How many vaccines are you about to give my kids?

What's in them?

Where are the safety studies?

Did you do a placebo trial, del?

Why did you have to do that?

Everything was going so perfectly.

We were moving to our perfect society.

Do you not realize?

We had utopia in our sights?

Only healthy people, only rich, healthy people living freely together.

Less of us enjoying our resources without all these hanger-oners getting in our way.

The great unwashed.

That's it.

Yeah, that's how they look at it the mass of humanity and they get to decide.

It's pretty outrageous.

But you know, I wonder, del, what was it about you that made you the right person for this fight?

What were you like as a little boy?

Well, the one thing I will say is I am the product of conscious parenting.

When people ask, like how did you get here?

I'm not here if I didn't have parents that really made the number one priority in their children's life there's three of us I'm the oldest of three kids was always question authority, that there's only one authority in this world and that's God.

And you listen to your connection to God.

No one comes between that.

They taught me to meditate when I was three years old, to be able to get quiet, let God speak to you.

That's how I saw it, that's how we were trained to see it.

And they would say to me it doesn't matter if it's a teacher, it doesn't matter if it's a politician, if it doesn't feel right to you, you go with your feeling, you go with what's right, all the way to the point where I remember the story I always tell in third grade where I walked off to school and you know it was back when you were allowed to walk to school by yourself in third grade and your parents wouldn't be arrested.

You could go like a whole four blocks and you know we're trusted to do it.

And I came home and walked home.

My sister and I would walk to school together.

And I came home my mom said you know what happened to that T-shirt you were wearing when you left for school this morning?

And I had worn a T-shirt I made in art class.

I'll never forget it.

We did batik dyeing, which is like you use wax.

Oh, yeah, and then you dip it in dye to try it and I spelled in this process the Flyers, the name of my gymnastics team, across my T-shirt.

I was really proud of it.

You know it was kind of janky and you could barely, but the letters were there.

And I came home I wasn't wearing it and so my mom's like well, what happened to that t-shirt?

I said you know, craig said it looks stupid.

My best friend and he lives right next door to the school, so I just ran over and borrowed one of his t-shirts.

I was, like you know and my mom, I never saw school again.

That was the last day in public school that I had how old were?

you.

I was third grade, so I don't know what is that?

Seven, eight, something like that.

And my mom said to me I'm never going to raise kids that care what their friends think.

That is your last day in school.

You overrode, you walked away believing in a shirt, believing in your creativity, believing in who you were and what you were, and you let someone talk you out of that.

That is not what my kids are going to be, and so that's what makes a person like me.

And now did I have a natural?

I still I will never know.

I will never know if it's nature versus nurture, because I was nurtured by a family that marched in Chicago, had the Chicago Seven is heroes in our family.

I was, you know, handed required reading of Brave New World in 1984 and never trust the government and the Kennedy assassination.

These things mattered to my parents.

You know, don't believe the narrative.

Sit down, get quiet, try to follow your guidance.

There's a lot of lies out here in this world.

Be a good person.

I remember my dad was a minister, and so I think he wanted me to take over the ministry at some point.

I was like no, dad, and I was like that's not a big enough platform and my dad was popular.

But I was like I want to make movies, I want to do things, yeah, that are bigger.

I think when people see me speak publicly now it's clear that I've kind of come full circle.

I have a different ministry, but that ministry is about truth, yeah, um, and.

But when I went to Hollywood I remember my father said you know Hollywood, you know, demeans the human spirit.

It makes us hate ourselves.

Wow, lift us up.

Whatever you do, whatever you do, del, whatever you do in Hollywood, lift up humanity.

Make us see how beautiful we are.

Because that's how I was raised.

My parents would say to us as a mantra almost every day you're going to change the world.

And I say to people if you raise your kids like that and you pull them out of situations where they're losing themselves and you say no, no, your self-confidence and your belief in being right and getting it right is everything.

You could find your children in as much trouble as I'm in now well, that's and that's a good place to be.

That is a very good place to be.

Look, we have a lot more to talk about.

It was funny I was thinking it was biblical when you were describing that deciding who lives and who dies and deciding that we as humans determine what the world looks like and whether or not there'll be enough resources.

That's a godless vision of the world.

It is.

I think that and I find myself, and I find I was just speaking at an event up in Minnesota it was a health freedom event and you sort of show up, you do the VIP dinner the night before and I listened to the other eight speakers and I remember saying that night I think you're all about to go to church tomorrow because it sounds like we're all about to go good versus evil and that's what we're all coming to.

You know, sherry Tenpenny, you can't keep talking about science and medicine and lies and deceit that are affecting the human body and governments that don't seem to care either know about it or doing it on purpose, or somehow looking the other way on horrific tragedy and not start saying wait a minute, this is biblical, this is what we were warned of.

I start a lot of my talks now with Genesis.

I say we were taught in all Judeo-Christian philosophies that you were made in the image and likeness of God.

Perfect God didn't make a disease-filled person that's going to struggle to survive and we're not.

Our bodies are so incredibly resilient.

If we feed it well and take care of it.

We have brought in a new religion, or we've allowed a new religion, and I think I'm doing it a service by calling it a religion.

It's a cult.

I believe that where we're at now is the pharmaceutical industry has created a cult that is putting us through rituals that are as dark and disgusting as anything you've ever read in, either a dystopian novel or even a satanic cult.

And, by the way, they're doing it to animals too, because I've talked to ranchers who say they've stopped completely vaccinating their herds because their cattle are healthier when they're not vaccinated.

We have a veterinarian coming on the show because she quit because she's got young animals puppies with tumors.

Tumors?

Yeah, why, dogs, cats, same way veterinarian, why?

Why are you vaccinating every?

year for rabies.

Why do you have to keep vaccinating?

You can test for it tighter right, yeah, and that will tell you whether you're immune or not, and any doctor will tell you that you really only need one rabies vaccine to be immune.

Yeah.

It's outrageous, it's outrageous.

I mean we're about to do a story on Bovair.

I mean not to get off topic, but this is a drug that in some European countries, I think, they're mandating on cattle to keep them from farting.

Oh yeah, I mean, come on, what could possibly go wrong?

What could possibly go wrong with that?

Now cows are dropping dead in their fields all over Because they don't want people eating meat.

And what's it doing to?

us.

What's it doing to the milk that we're drinking, of the food supply, which is another way to control the population?

agreed.

Well, what's john cario, who used to be a hero of mine?

One of the biggest issues I keep watching this video he said the issues of you know, global warming and climate change is food production yeah if we don't curb our food production and the you know particulates or whatever it's causing.

Ironically, he says we are going to lose our ability to feed all the masses.

It's like wait a minute.

Did you just say we've got to cut down the food supply now so that in the future we don't starve to death Like I?

mean it's Okay.

That reminds me of the study out of Oxford.

Do you remember when Oxford University came out with their study which said that if we cut down consumption of meat, we can save the planet from global warming?

Right, so they said okay.

So you know, this is not going to have such a significant impact on the world.

In developed nations because you don't have to eat meat, you've got lots of options oh, but in those undeveloped nations, where all those useless eaters are in parentheses, we're going to lose about a third of the population, or something like that.

And it's like, but we must do this to save the planet.

It's like.

Are you people?

Insane I think they are.

I think they've gone and, by the way, you know, as we sort of you know, I know you have places to be, but we're winning.

People aren't like.

I'm not frustrated, I'm not saying all this out of frustration anymore.

I'm in a really good mood now because I feel like we've I think COVID did it they finally went too far.

They went too far.

They went too far.

They showed their hand.

Do you know why?

They did.

Because they had to stop Donald Trump from getting back into office, and that was their Trump card, I think that was a huge part of it.

I think stopping Donald Trump the fact that the anti-vaccine movement, or the vaccine has.

We were starting to move exponentially and they saw their days were numbered.

We better nip this in the bud immediately.

And what better way than to just bring pandemic from hell, convince everybody we're all going to die, lock them in their homes, shut down their schools, shut down their churches you know what I mean and force vaccinate them and get this damn vaccine card where we can track them.

We got to get that going and it totally backfired and bombed, and you know why.

This is why I'm not worried Like people, like I always.

One of the things I preach a lot, one of the things I say a lot of my show is will you stop giving they so much import, making it so much power?

They are idiots.

They are rich morons that have as big egos as you can imagine.

And if you think they're all aligned, I mean try to run a company, try to be in the movement that we're in, or we fight each other all the time because we all have egos.

It's impossible to keep everybody moving in the same direction.

You think the richest people in the world are all sitting in the room and the Bilderbergers get along great and they're patting backs with the Rothschilds and the Gateses.

No, they hate each other.

They hate each other.

They hate each other.

They want dominance.

It's like the they has suddenly got this unified goal.

But ultimately, the genius or the stupidity of COVID was that up until that moment, they were getting away with everything because we're too damn busy.

We're so busy and too trusting.

Well, we're trusting because we have to be.

I've got nothing left.

I'm working two jobs to feed my family.

I'm all right.

I'm reading the labels on the food because now I can't trust that and I want to have a baby.

I want to be a good mom and I read about the scrollers and I did a whole thing on the crash tests on the car seats, but when it comes, to the medical and handing them over and giving my kid vaccines it's the one thing I just don't want to.

I don't have time for it.

I don't have it done.

So I'm just, I'm in the system, I got to go to school.

I can't go to work if they can't go to school.

So I'm just like I'm moving on and then suddenly, and the news just kept a 24-hour cycle of just not news, it's just headline, headline, fear, fear, headline.

Another person died of COVID.

Imagine if you did that every day.

Another 4,000 heart attacks today.

Oh, another 5,000 heart attacks today.

But if they had just left us in our jobs and let us keep going, even like people are dying of COVID.

They would have gotten away with it.

But when they locked us in our homes and gave us nothing to do but go online who's this Delbitri guy?

Wait a minute.

What's in a vaccine?

Hey, did you see Sherry Tenpeh?

Check this out.

And suddenly the social media world exploded.

They took all of their power.

They owned a television set.

They had us.

They had us working like little ants.

We were like just doing our duty and handing our kids off and vaccinating and lining up and we're doing the lines, we're doing the thing.

And then suddenly they said, no, stop all of your busyness, lock them in their homes dumbest move they ever made.

And then suddenly we started communicating with each other.

Wait, did you believe that too?

Have you seen this?

Did you look at this video?

I mean, and they never thought we were going to have the attention span to sit through a three-hour joe rogan interview, but we did.

When I'm stuck in my house all day long, thanks.

Suddenly, suddenly, I got all the time in the world.

Let's kick back.

I'm going to watch one three hour podcast after the next.

And here comes Robert Kennedy Jr.

That doesn't have a short answer, trust me.

I know I was his director of communication, bobby, we got to tighten this up, but luckily we're in a world where people watch a three hour podcast and it's no longer a headline, it's no longer soundbites.

Guys like Robert Kennedy jr Could tell the whole truth.

Yes, you know the entire truth.

And people just we started sucking it up.

And then what'd they say?

Social media is evil, the social dilemma.

It must be stopped.

You know, it's dangerous for all of us.

No, no, it's not dangerous for us, it's dangerous for you.

And you remember when they said that unvaccinated people should die, they shouldn't be treated in the ER, right, I mean, what insanity was that?

I know, and you know, most decent people.

Sure, there were the lunatics out there who went along with that, but most decent people look at that and they're like what did you just say?

I know.

Like are you serious?

And then, of course, now it's been exposed, I mean now people they still don't want to admit it to autism and the other vaccines, but now a lot of people are facing the reality of the COVID vaccines because I mean, people around us are dying like flies.

I think it's somewhere around 50% of people polled now believe that the COVID vaccine kills.

Yeah, and I wouldn't be surprised if it was more, because who trusts any of the polling?

companies.

I mean seriously, exactly.

You remember when I was thrown off, fox News canceled because you mentioned Mengele.

Yeah.

And they asked me Fauci says he's science because he went on the Sunday show on CBS.

I am science.

If you criticize me, you're criticizing science.

And they asked me about that on Fox and I said well, you know a lot of the people that I talk to.

They don't see Fauci as science, they see him more as Dr Joseph Mengele.

So you're one of them, del.

Yes, I am so, because you know people like you and many doctors and others.

I think he's better, he's smarter, he's able to do these things and be celebrated for it.

Because he did it with HIV first, and then he did it again with AZT.

He did that again with remdesivir.

He did it all, he did it all before and he also got rich doing it, which makes me sick.

Got rich and you know, and again I always try to appeal the one.

I mean, they're probably not watching you if they're, like you know, really on the other side.

But I want to say this about Fauci, and this is what's incredible, and this is where I'm glad you're still here and I'm glad I mean I wish you were still at Fox, I wish you know, I wish Cheryl Atkinson was still at CBS.

But they'll never allow us, because real journalists ask really obvious questions and usually correct the question.

Everyone in the population is asking yes, and the moment we are now living in a time where is now accepted science by the cia?

the fbi that this virus came from the lab in Wuhan, china.

That's just known.

Yet that realization has not actually changed this story at all.

No, which is the weirdest thing Like?

Because wait a minute, oh, you know, natural lab, all right, who cares?

Who cares?

It is a totally different story now.

In fact, the very next question, I believe and this is when you know you are not living in a free country, that you don't have free press is when reporters stop asking the obvious.

Next question 100% and the obvious.

Next question is how do we know it was accidental?

Yes, you have to ask that.

How do you know it's a leak?

What do we know it was?

accidental?

Yes, you have to ask that.

How do you know it's a leak?

What we know is it was made in a lab and it killed millions of people yes, and destroyed countries economies, whether or not we're sure, if we're sure, but why is it not one reporter in the entire world that I've seen ask the question?

hey, yeah could this have been deliberate?

Could this have been deliberate?

Was there an agenda by China or America, or a group of them, or what?

Or one crazy person, one terrorist?

How do we know it wasn't a terrorist?

I mean, honestly, in a world we're so afraid of terrorists, why is?

The first thought is was there a terrorist working inside of Wuhan that we didn't know about, right, I mean?

the any Not one question, not one.

How about this?

You talk to any virologist.

What do they tell you?

Viruses do not replicate the same way in cold and hot climates.

Yet we had a virus that was all over the world, regardless of whether it was hot or cold.

Hmm, doesn't happen in nature.

How come not one reporter says how did that happen?

Right, you know, other than because I've talked to many virologists about it.

Virologists and all they all tell me the same thing it's not possible.

Right, it had to be released.

It had to be released either way.

He has another one, has another one covet 19.

What does the 19 mean?

You know what it means.

Tell me what's your research.

Tell you 19 means 19 iterations of the virus Interesting.

It's been manipulated 19 times.

It's a standard, it's literally a standard.

So the guys in the intelligence world, when COVID-19 came out, they all said, oh well, gain of function.

Yeah, that's the 19th manipulation of the virus Interesting.

It's the 19th version of it.

What I know is that Tony Fauci still does speaking engagements.

And gets paid a fortune and is celebrated for how he responded to a virus.

We know he was involved in creating.

How does that?

How does that even happen?

I don't understand how that makes sense to anybody.

I mean, I want to ask the people that see him as a hero you do recognize all of science has now got him attached to gain-of-function research.

Rand Paul's all over him.

We have the emails.

We have him trying to cover it up.

We have his staff saying it looks like it came from the Wuhan lab.

Oh, that could be a problem.

And then that same staff a week later puts out an article.

It's impossible for it to have come from that lab.

Natural origin is the only explanation.

Whoa, wait a minute.

You just took scientists that said I believe it came from that lab.

Then sign a paper and write a paper that says the exact opposite within seven days.

And tony fauci is the one overseeing all that.

I think this guy's in trouble.

But I think the audio pen I mean I'm sure of all the people in the world right now they're the most concerned about the auto pen- it has to be top of the list, tony fowler near the top of the list, or at least one of them, although there's a whole rank there is a whole, you're better at all the other reasons people will be lined up, I mean in my space, but but think about what you

just said about how we now know.

Right, it came out of the lab and yet the story hasn't changed.

Yeah, well, we now know that hillary cl campaign paid for the Steele dossier.

Right.

And they're still saying Trump has an unnatural relationship with Putin.

And we now know that John Brennan was one of the chief architects of this seditious conspiracy and they still put him on TV and ask him about it like he's some kind of independent expert.

Which is what's so weird about the world that we live in now, and I think because we have to figure out.

Watching Marjorie Taylor Greene on the View was sort of spectacular.

I think it was the last couple of days I've been seeing the videos.

As long as she's against Trump in some way, they'll give her airtime.

I guess, but we're all going to have to figure out how to deal with our families.

They're seeing, I mean, when I talk to them, I have family members now and friends that live in a totally different world than I do.

Yeah.

I mean not that we disagree on something.

We don't live in the same world.

No.

You live in a world where I guess you don't know that Tony Fauci created that virus.

Yeah, you live in a world that I guess you don't know that the Steele dossier is fake and the entire Russian collusion thing was made up and there's people that probably should go to jail.

You don't even know that because your phone, somehow that algorithm, has you never seeing that story and the channels that you're turning on they're.

You know we are living in total and I don't really know I love you.

I mean I guess I have.

I mean I've sort of accepted.

I don't know how long you're going to live because I think those people are marching you to your death like lemmings.

Yeah, but I guess I'm going to love you because I can't fault you and, honestly, I used to trust those same news anchors too.

So I remember when I had that trust.

You still do.

I don't know how we talked them out of it necessarily, I don't know, I told someone I love very much, that doctors, pediatricians, get most of their revenue from vaccines.

I was told oh, I don't think that's true.

Vaccines cause autism.

Oh no, that's been completely debunked.

That's what I was told.

It made me want to cry, okay, so we got to wrap up, but before we do one of my favorite I know for sure this conversation is going longer than we planned.

One of my favorite Del Bigtree stories.

Do you remember when we both did that event in Austin, I think it was by a lake and you were being attacked by a journalist and you were having some kind of colon medical thing going on?

Oh, yeah.

And I just remember you saying how fascinating it was that there was a reporter who was obsessed.

With my.

I had hemorrhoids that almost killed me.

That was it, and he was writing about it.

I, I.

Uh, we're going to have to give that some context, Like, okay, well, that was it and he was writing about it.

We're going to have to give that some context Like okay, well, end of podcast.

Come on, okay, give it some context.

Let's go out with a bang, let's go out with a bang Because it's already been humiliating enough and it's one of those things when you're like a public figure that you know also is focused on health.

I thought I had COVID.

I was having serious you know.

I was started having health issues.

I was weak, I couldn't do, you know.

I was walk upstairs I was getting winded.

I said, jeez, I have COVID testing negative.

I was like I don't, somehow I'm not testing right.

Uh, luckily, a friend of mine's an ER doctor and I'm with everybody who wants to go to a doctor during COVID, who wants to go near a hospital.

I don't want to be like locked away throw me on the ventilator.

I'll never see my wife and kids again.

You know what I mean.

So it wasn't exactly like, hey, let me rush into a hospital right now.

But I went and got a blood test and you know a heart test and part of his blood test.

And on morning I do my show live every Thursday I get a 6 am call like two days after all my testing.

I think it was my wife.

They said is your husband there?

And she's like, yeah, they're like you have to take him to the ER immediately.

His hemoglobin is at 4.8.

That's like the blood cells level that carries oxygen.

I'm supposed to be at 13.

And emergency transfusion is mandated at a hemoglobin of seven.

So I'm almost half that.

So it was a major crisis.

I missed the show, and when you miss a show where you talk about things like I do, my audience starts thinking what's happened?

The CIA's got him?

I mean like who knows?

So there's all this speculation happening online.

Meanwhile I am in real trouble.

I got to figure out how to get blood transfusions.

They can't even do a colonoscopy or endoscopy without putting me under, and they can't put me under until they get my hemoglobin to a 10.

And so I'm like I am not going to get blood transfusions from people that got the COVID vaccine.

I didn't get this far to have contaminated blood.

Luckily I have a friend that's calling the blood bank in Austin.

And meanwhile I called a friend that has a clinic down in Tijuana no, not Tijuana, down in Cancun and I said do they test for COVID?

Do you know if the blood has had the vaccine?

Are they writing that information down?

Because they weren't doing it in America?

And so he said let me look into it.

And he came back and said yeah, actually we know the vaccine records of all the blood that comes in.

I was like could I come down and get transfusions at your clinic?

And Max was like yeah, come on, how are you going to get here?

He was worried.

He's like I don't know, how are you going to fly here.

You could die in that flight.

You're not moving enough oxygen and so, as a whole thing, one of the really great sponsors and donors of the work that we do had a private plane and said I read I said can you reach out because I need a plane that could turn around if I start dying, like I can't turn a passenger plane around.

But if it's a small plane and I'm the only one in it with my wife, then we can see how well I do and turn around.

All that said, I go down.

I, you know, didn't know what the issue was, but as it turns out, I was bleeding, you know, from a hemorrhoid, or I guess, as this doctor says, like the worst hemorrhoid she'd ever seen.

So I got enough blood so I could do a surgery you know, not sexy at all and I had to come back to the show and explain.

It wasn't the CIA, you know I should have.

You know, I was working so hard and running so hard.

That you just ran yourself down and just overlooking, you know, a health problem, but who was the reporter that was?

So the headline.

There was actually two reporters I forget.

One of them was a doctor, I'm trying to remember his name and it said I mean, and what was interesting about the story?

It's like anti-ber almost dies of hemorrhoids.

And I said, you know, you know you're famous, you know you've reached the pinnacle of your career when your hemorrhoids make headlines.

I think we need something for the wall that says anti-vaxxer almost dies of hemorrhoids.

But you know what's kind of awesome about it is the only like when people are like he's a liar, he's a charlatan, all the tax right.

It changed that they actually the article was.

He obviously believes this shit, you know, because he doesn't go and get a blood transfusion when he's dying, this idiot gets on a plane before he gets any blood because he's so afraid of vaccines in blood, like he obviously, like this doctor who's been attacking me for many different reasons.

Oh, he's lying to people, he, he realizes, like he kind of said, I'm changing my perspective, del's not lying, he's crazy.

So at least I thought that was a graduation, it's a step up.

Oh, the Descent Into Madness by Del.

Bigtree.

This is your next book.

There you go.

I like it.

I like it, it's fantastic, del.

thank you so so much for being here.

I'm so glad that you're just up the road.

We have a lot more mischief to do together, yeah.

I agree, and I you know, because people deserve the whole truth.

They really do.

I can't thank you enough.

You've opened my eyes and changed my life.

I loved you from the first moment I met you.

I'm so grateful that you're so brave, and I know your wife is pretty brave too.

She's been with you in this journey every step of the way.

She's the one that has to hold the house down while I'm-.

Yeah, out doing the crazy.

Out doing the crazy and I just want to say for everyone out there, they can watch the film for free in inconvenien studycom you've got to watch it and and if you go to the website, we've also got the study there.

You can print it out and read the whole thing yourself.

And we've printed out all of the henry ford cease and desist letter, their complaints about the study.

We and and complaints that have happened from other scientists and we rebut those and all I want to say is that's the scientific method.

I want people.

I want you to ask.

I'm not asking you to believe me.

What I want you to ask yourself when you watch this film is do you think there's enough science now?

Do you think they have any science?

I would say that here's where I'm at.

If you believe, if you are pro-vaccine now, after all that we've been through and all that we can prove to you and all that I talk about in this film, then I think you're anti-science.

They don't have science.

They have loud voices and they're yelling and it's not working anymore.

What we needed to.

You know what you need to demand, especially if you're pro-vaccine right now.

You should be really upset that no one in the medical establishment is able to put evidence on the television Able to put a placebo trial on New York Times.

It should be front page.

We found it.

Robert Kennedy Jr is lying.

Del Bigtree is lying.

Here are the placebo trials.

We're going to take up the first 10 pages of the New York Times to show you.

Here they are.

That's what you deserve in this country.

That's what you deserve in the world, not they're lying.

There are placebo trials Great.

Print them.

Dell's crazy Show them.

Print them.

Yeah, we should all stand together, that's right.

The pro-vaxxers, the anti-vaxxers, the vaccine hesitant.

We all want to see those studies.

Yes.

We want this conversation to end.

Because is not a war against Democrat or Republican.

It's a war against our intelligence and it's a war against integrity.

And our children, and our children.

So thank you so much.

I loved the film.

I really did.

I was so glad when you sent it to me.

I really would.

I think people, everybody, should watch it.

This is a seismic moment in history because for so long they have prevented a study of this nature ever being seen by the public and you got it, and you got it out there and they can say it's flawed.

And if it is okay, let's do 100 more studies.

Do 100 more, you don't get to point out the flaws.

No, we need evidence now and, as Peter Gutsche, one of the founders of Cochrane, said, we need to do bigger studies, just like this one.

That's correct.

Because now we have a signal.

We have a very scary signal.

Yes and it looks like we may be poisoning our kids.

No one wants to do that.

No.

Let's do a study, the biggest study ever done.

Let's have every major institution in the world do this same study and see if they get a different result, Because right now it's been done five times at least, maybe 10 vaccinated versus unvaccinated studies.

Every single one is showing the same problem the vaccinated are sick and the unvaccinated are healthy, as all get out.

I got to go and apologize to my kids.

I guess I don't know it's very hard as a mom.

But thank you, del, appreciate it so much and don't you know?

I don't have to tell you not to quit because you're not going to quit.

I love it.

Thank you so much for watching this episode of Going Rogue with Lara Logan.

You know what to do Get as many people as humanly possible out there to listen to this.

Watch the film like, share, subscribe and, of course, support us because, as you know, independent journalism isn't free, right no, we need.

We need the people.

Independent journalism is just like our nation was founded of, for and by the people yes, and if you don't want people taking money from big pharma, it you know it costs money to produce this, so so do whatever you can Support Dale Bigtree, your fabulous show the High Wire, which I love, and Going Rogue with Laura Logan, as always.

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