In our massive country there are card collectors throughout the land participating in the hobby.

There's Mike of Junk Wax Hero and Greg of Midlife Cards, and while distance may separate them, here is where they come together to talk cards.

Hey buddy, we are back in at it and I have watched 2 of your videos today two.

It's been a day of Junk Wax hero Mike.

I I won't tell your principal, I promise no.

No, no, no one was on the way to work, this is true, and one was on the way home.

I'm still in the early phase of my new students in the new semester, so I have them all on lockdown still.

So free time is a rare commodity at the moment.

So there's no YouTube watching at the moment during school hours for sure.

Nice.

And then I've got, my family's got a trip.

We're going to go, we're going to go see my friend Mickey down in Los Angeles here.

So we got a big week planned.

Awesome.

I'm probably there as this hits the airwaves actually.

So, yeah, All right, I I have some thoughts and some reactions and some questions after your video.

So first you and Crystal recorded a great episode of This Week in Sports Cards about some scams and it got my wheels kind of turning.

And then you on the way home, I listened and you bought the biggest, the biggest card you had your biggest mail day ever.

You you called it the biggest card you had ever bought.

Not in person.

Right.

Tell people, if they haven't watched that, tell them what the card was in the story behind that.

Yeah, So no, no spoilers here because by the time you listen or watch this, it's, you know, it's days later.

But I bought a 1953 tops Jackie Robinson, which had been on my list for a few years at least.

But then I set out in 2025 at the beginning of 2025, I really set out to get one and just never had the chance, never found the right card at the right price.

And you know, I'm very picky about that until the last week of December, right, right after Christmas when I was like, all right, I gotta, I gotta lock in and ended up with this one.

And it was the price was great.

It's nicely centered, the the image is beautiful at the edges and the corners are beat up really badly.

But I'm OK with that because of the centering and the image are amazing.

Now, having it in hand, do you like it more than you expected, less than you expected, or as expected?

I would say as expected.

OK, so I was thinking about, you know, the Chris Sewell thing and about all the scams that are out there and people saying all the the envelope was empty.

Chris was saying he had that happen once and and people talking about, you know, all of the different shenanigans out there.

And it number one, I kept thinking to myself the whole way to work.

It was it was a great way to start my Monday.

I was thinking, man, what is wrong with people?

Like what in the world is wrong with people that there are so many people that are going to these elaborate schemes to just mess other people over just it.

It was depressing.

And then on the way home, you're talking about buying a big card via via through the mail, through an online deal where you're not looking at the card in in person.

And there's been a lot of people lately because I did an episode that posted today.

I hadn't, I honestly, I hadn't even looked to see if that has a single view or if it even posted.

I haven't looked all day.

I've completely forgotten about it about well, OK, where do we go from here with grading companies and who should we use?

And if you had to use one, so and a lot of people were yelling from the rooftops, the whole grading thing is just garbage.

Just use one touches.

So take all of that in a big giant ball and throw it into the wall.

And my question then is, OK, let's just pretend for a second that there are no grading companies.

OK, let's just play pretend.

Let's do it.

If there are no grading companies, what changes if if it was?

If it's back to the Wild West of 1988, OK, Jose Canseco is a stud.

Kevin Mitchell is going to win the NLMVP or something, right?

What?

Year He caught the ball with one hand, I.

Believe so.

Yeah, that was pretty cool.

The the question have is then what would you, for example, buy a four digit card through the mail if there was no grading company?

Would you buy that card completely raw?

Would would what would change?

I mean, because there are people that are saying, oh, just just can't give these guys money.

The whole thing is a is a scam, it's a sham.

It's a this, it's that what changes?

Because if we think the scams are bad now, as you and Chris laid out, what would happen?

What would happen if there was no grading?

Are we assuming that the values of cars, the prices of cards, are the same as they would be because the reason cards have gone up so much is because of grading, largely.

That's a big part of it.

I mean, absolutely.

Isn't that one of the fallouts?

Is the the consumer confidence of what they're buying wouldn't be nearly as high?

So they're no longer they're no longer alternative assets.

Right, it's it's back to more hobby ish than so I think the first thing that happens right is is values go way down, don't they?

I mean, that's a for sure.

Absolutely the high.

End stuff plummets because who knows if it's altered, who knows if the patches are switched out, who knows?

Who knows anything, right?

I mean, well, the the patches could be switched out.

Now we we know a lot of examples where patches are switched out because PSA and other grading companies don't know if the patch has been switched out.

They don't grade the patch, they don't authenticate the patch.

And so a lot of patches do get switched out and then the card itself gets authenticated, but the patches they they just don't know.

And listening to Junk Wax Hero on Sunday mornings, I've I've heard many an example of patches being switched out and hearing those stories.

OK, so values would certainly go down.

What else would happen?

Because you know, I'll be and it's going to sound right now like I'm probably defending grading companies.

I'm not defending grading companies.

I have called them out many times.

I have picked apart, you know, quotes from the higher ups at PSA many times, but I'm just saying, OK, let's go down that road because that was one of the main things that people were saying in my episode that posted this morning, which is Monday, January 12th.

My question then becomes, OK, so if we didn't have grading companies, what happens?

I would think there would be more scams.

I would think consumer confidence would go down.

Values are going to go way down and, and this is and, and values are held high even with even with knowing that there are cards that are in holders that have been altered and grades that are old that don't hold up and mistakes that were made.

I mean, heck, your buddy Jeff, your buddy Jeff opened a pack this weekend and he said he paid $1000 for this pack and it is was a very obviously resealed pack.

Well, I'm not so sure, Dan.

Dan of Dan's Vintage Baseball PC, who is a 1970 Tops expert, I I think, says he thinks it was a legit pack.

OK.

I I respect that because he probably opened packs during that time.

I mean, I've opened packs where I got two of the same player, right?

But this pack had 10 cards and four were duplicates 4.

All all 10 cards were in series 4 of 1970 tops.

OK, so there were none that were outside of a series.

They were all in series 4.

Highly, highly unusual, but very possible.

It it's not impossible, but our buddy, our buddy Brian, the high pop professor, is a a math teacher and I know he's taught statistics.

I mean, I, I can't, I don't know how many cards are in that series, but I would be willing to bet that the chances of that what happened happening are, are lower then I, I, I would have a more likely chance of getting struck by lightning wit holding a winning lottery ticket.

Like I, I, I again, I wasn't alive then.

I didn't open packs then.

I know that some of the series, you know, there was only like 150 cards or whatever in in the series or 200 maybe in the series.

So it narrows down the chances.

But, but I mean, we're talking about like, I mean, and I took some statistics, but we're talking about like one out of 200 * 1 out of 200 * 1.

I mean, it's just, it's just, it's crazy.

But anyway, anyway, my point is we know that there are many examples and maybe that's not an example of an error from PSA, who knows.

But there are errors from all the grading companies.

They're humans, They're not perfect.

But what what else would be fallout besides prices going way down?

If grading companies went away and some people would be OK with that?

We go, OK, the prices have gone out of control.

This is, this is insane.

It shouldn't be an asset class.

It should be a hobby.

I don't have a problem with that, but I wouldn't buy a $1000 card over the Internet if if it wasn't in a holder.

I I personally wouldn't do that, would you?

No, I, I don't think so.

But first of all, let me a little quick aside here.

If your wife doesn't like you, the ideal situation for her is that you're holding a lottery ticket and then struck by lightning and that lottery ticket wins that she's got money and no you man.

Can I tell you a story?

Actually, this is actually kind of a sad story.

So my buddy at work, my buddy at work was the tennis coach for like 15 years.

You're a tennis guy.

He was the tennis coach for like 15 years and he had an assistant tennis coach.

OK.

The guy won an $8 million lottery in the California lottery, won 8,000,000 bucks.

He comes to practice when he goes.

Dude, I, I won the lottery last night and, and my buddy's like, what are you talking about?

He goes, I hit every number.

It was $8 million.

Was this?

Any good by his wife in one of those fake lottery tickets?

No, no, it was real.

He got 8 million, so he wins 8 million.

Well, he then goes, well, are you going to take the the cash, you know, or are you going to take the they're going to take the cash money or are you going to take the payments?

Because there's like two options.

You can take the payments or you can take all the money.

If you take all the money, it's about half that's what I'm taking.

I'm taking the money.

OK, so now it's down from 8 million, it's down to 4 million.

OK, so then he's, he's got 4 million.

Well, his, his, his wife and him were, were on the rocks.

They were separated.

They weren't legally separated yet.

They still had joint accounts, all that.

So, so now she's going to get half of it.

So he goes from 8 million down to 4 million.

He goes from 4 million down to 2 million.

Well, now he's in the highest tax bracket, right?

He's in the highest tax bracket.

He in California I think the highest income tax for state income tax is like 12.5% or something.

So with everything he ends up between federal and state he ends up having another half it wiped out for taxes.

So the guy walked.

My understanding is he walked with a little under $1,000,000.

I'm waiting for the sad part here.

Greg.

This is still $1,000,000.

He hit he hit an $8 million ticket and he walked with less than one.

Still, I'm not sad for him.

But that's not, I mean, if, if somebody handed a 40 year old guy $1,000,000, that's not enough to retire.

No, but he won an $8 million ticket and can't retire.

I mean, that's kind of interest.

That's kind of a A.

Fun story, it is interesting but you you sold it a sad and it's not sad.

OK, I I thought it was, I thought it was sad.

I mean if if he now $2,000,000 might be enough to retire on.

Not I don't think so.

Really.

Let's just.

Say it's at 5%.

Say you get 5% on a on a money market or.

CD 100,000 a year A.

100,000 a year No.

No, because your money isn't growing if you're taking 100,000 out.

And.

That's everything that you've gained, then you're not getting a raise every year and inflation is happening, $100,000 a year in California ain't going to cut it.

So I got to keep working even if I stayed with my wife in that case, huh.

Yeah, you're probably right.

Yeah, Instead, now it's probably all gone.

But you're still $2,000,000 richer.

It would also be a little bit easier to find a new gal if you just won $1,000,000.

So there is the rebound factor.

OK, I don't know where I took us, but where?

We are you.

You wanted me to answer your question, which was would I buy a four figure card on eBay or online?

And the answer is unequivocally no, because you're unlikely to also have the eBay authentication program, which is a big factor when deciding to buy a big card on eBay.

And so going on to eBay and saying I'm going to spend this card wasn't $1000, just to be clear, but if it would I spend $1000 or close to it on a card, No, it wouldn't, wouldn't even be a question.

I wouldn't even be shopping for those cards on eBay.

Now, I might at a card show if the seller allows me to take it out and examine it and I know what I'm looking for, but I would have to really know.

And I know a lot of vintage guys do, but I don't, I don't know, you know, you got to shine a flashlight through it and smell it and rub mayonnaise on it or something.

I don't know.

But though there's I'm I'm kidding for anybody who is listening and isn't vintage.

Mayonnaise part was a joke.

Right.

But you know, if there are going to be some vintage sellers that won't let you do that and then you have to say, OK, well then I guess I have to move on because the card isn't graded, it's not authenticated.

You can't do the, the eye test or the sniff test or whatever your flashlight test.

And so it makes it much, much more difficult.

And so while you and I don't like the grading companies, PSA in particular, and now the companies that are their sister companies, I do think there's a lot of value in having an authenticator grading.

The, the only value in grading.

Well, there are there are some values in grading, but the most important thing in grading company does is authenticate cards.

You said that I don't like grading.

You said we don't like grading companies.

I don't.

I don't know if that's true for me.

I don't know if I dislike grading companies.

I think what I do is I especially now, this is what I think.

I think that especially now, now more than ever, there is a lack of a need to improve from the grading companies because if one umbrella company buys the three main companies, at least the three main companies that historically have great advantage, then then what is their incentive to improve?

So the way I look at my, my critiques and my when I'm beating the drum about the grading companies, I'm not saying I dislike them.

What I'm trying to do is be a noise that hopefully can help create more noise that makes them say, well, we can't get too lazy because if we get too lazy, they're going to really hammer us.

We're the only heat left because they own each other.

And so I do I think PSA is perfect?

No.

Are they flawed?

Yes.

Is SGC flawed?

They certainly have flaws and they have way more flaws now than they did two years ago.

Same with Beckett.

I don't dislike them, but I am going to be a vocal, I'm going to be an outspoken person about the grading companies to try to a kind of try to hold their feet to the fire, but also to enlighten maybe new collectors that are, you know, starting to try to learn and see.

Oh, well, this is APSA 7 and PSA is the company is going to be around.

Yes, but that PSA 7 might be different than this PSA 7 and here's why.

And so I am outspoken at times, but I wouldn't say that I dislike them.

And and that's not a popular opinion cause the popular thing is to just beat on them and just harp on them and say how they suck.

And I I think they do a lot more right than they do wrong, but they certainly do some things wrong.

Sure.

Yeah.

No, I, I I wasn't sure you were done.

I'm a little fired up today for some reason.

No, that's great.

I think I agree with you.

I think that PSA, they make their share of mistakes, maybe more than their fair share of mistakes, but 98% of the time they get it right.

The problem for me is the monopoly, the how they're integrated and everything, how they never, ever, ever respond to any of their mistakes.

And they, there's, there's just a lot of conspiracy theories out there about PSA and they never address and there's no face of PSA is Nat Turner.

The face of PSA is Ryan Hogue.

With SGC.

We had Pete and Pete was amazing.

He was the faith.

He would come out and just talk about whatever people were talking about, whatever people wanted to hear about.

And you don't ever get that from PSA.

And I don't like that collectors, the company owns the three biggest grading companies or three of the four biggest.

I don't love it.

And so a lot of the problems with PSA aren't necessarily the they're grading or they're authenticating, although those are sometimes problems.

It's the position they have put themselves into in the industry.

Yeah, no, I agree.

I, I, I, I think you and I agree on a lot of this.

And the the thing I guess that I would respond or, or I want people to tell me in the comments or, or reach out to us or whatever.

But a lot of the people who just are so anti grading because there's like I have, I have a couple handfuls of of people who constantly respond in the comments about how grading is the worst.

Scan Yeah.

And my question is, OK, you get to wave a magic wand, you're in charge.

You can change the hobby from, you know, today's date forward.

What would you do?

Do you think the hobby would be in a better place if the grading companies went away or if if they came in and broke up collectors and split them out?

Like I could get on board with that would probably be better, but I don't know if grading as a scam.

I don't know if that slogan that people say, I don't know if that is actually in the benefit.

Now, if you collect cards under 100 bucks, I think, I think you could make the argument that your hobby would be possibly better off, possibly better off if, if grading went away.

But if you collect anything of a significant amount of value, and to me over 100 bucks is fairly significant amount of value.

I, I would say I don't know if I agree with that.

I I feel like it's like we're taking the outlier situations and casting it onto the entire industry of grading.

Like grading has those faults, but you know, it's like if, if I have 120 students right now and and 118 of them are really sweet, polite, kind, hard working students and two of them were kind of weren't, didn't have their behavior situation together.

Is it fair to say that all of my students are a are a joke and nobody cares?

I don't think that's fair.

I think that sometimes what we're doing, I mean, if you think about the number of cards that these grading companies are pumping out and grading and the number of just crazy errors that are out there.

I mean, is, is it, is it fair?

And again, I, I know that I'm going to catch some heat for this because it sounds like I'm defending them.

I'm not defending them.

I just want to be fair about it.

I want to be fair on our criticisms.

Is, is their error rate really insane or do we just live in a day and age now where the error rate is, is more publicized?

It's like when Dan Quayle miss misspells potato, you know, and we have it on camera and then they just play it over and over and over.

And anybody who's younger than 30 is going who's Dan Quayle?

Yeah, probably younger than 35.

But.

But the fact that we could capture that and and share it as easily as we did that, I mean, it's the same thing with like George W Bush.

Like George W Bush had a lot of flubs, but if you put that compared to the number of flubs from politicians now, it wasn't really that bad.

It's just it was in the era where we were, we were able to capture it and spread it quickly and easily for the first time.

Yeah.

So I do want to answer that question.

But first of all, I want to say that if there were no grading, Chris Sewell would still buy your cards.

Chris Sewell is partner of our channel and you if you are selling any of part of your collection or all of your collection, you should reach out to Chris at sewellsportscards@gmail.com.

We'll put the his e-mail address in the description to this video and the podcast.

Greg is taking note of that right now.

And you can also go to our website, sportscardclubhouse.com, where click on the partner link at the top and you can go find Chris from there.

Chris gives the best deals, the fairest prices, the best explanation of why he's offering you what what he's offering you.

And if you 2 don't agree, then he's fine with that too.

But he'll, you know, you can negotiate with him too.

So we recommend Chris Sewell, collector, investor, dealer, in that order.

Let me just throw one thing in before you answer.

One of my favorite things as I was, I actually started watching your conversation with Chris before I got in the car, and then I listened to the second-half of it.

One of my favorite parts of that conversation is Chris is such a nice guy.

Is that like, as you were describing some of the like, scandals and things that people were doing, he was like, he was like dumbfounded by like really, people are doing that?

Like, why would people do that?

Because he's just like, his mind doesn't work that way.

Like it was.

Seeing the look on his face said a lot about what a good duty is.

When I was in college, I spent 4 summers working for a mini golf course and driving range in Brunswick, ME called Longshot Golf Center.

And I remember at the beginning of my second summer, I had driven the golf cart picker to pick up golf golf balls on the driving range.

My first year there, my second year, he put me behind the counter and he was I found out that there was a camera over the cash register.

I wasn't supposed to know it.

And it was like a four employee driving range in the golf course, maybe 5.

But there's a camera hidden in the ceiling, tiny little camera hidden in the ceiling.

And I mentioned it to my the owner, my boss.

And he was like, well, yeah, because I've had employees steal from me.

And I said, but how, how would they steal from you?

I mean, it can't be.

How does that work?

And he was describing some of the schemes that people had come up with.

And it blew my mind what people were doing and figuring out how to scam people.

And that, yeah, Chris's face was me 25 years ago.

I'm the guy that that like probably overpays on his taxes because I don't want to do something wrong where I'm going to get in trouble.

So instead of maybe taking a deduction that I am rightful to take, I don't take it because I'm like, I just, I don't want to get in trouble.

Yeah, yeah.

So to answer your question, I think the, the, the answer is a little bit lengthy because if we think back to four years ago when I was fairly new to YouTube, if something really interesting would happen, you know, some sort of a scam or a huge mistake by a grading company, you post a video about it and your audience would watch it.

Maybe a little bit more would get out and the algorithm would catch it and you'd get like 5 or 10,000 views.

But then that was pretty much it.

Now, four years later, you do that.

And then if it's interesting enough, dozens and dozens and dozens of other creators across social media platforms will create their own video, their own post about it.

And so a big mistake by a grading company can get amplified much, much quicker now than it used to.

So are there more errors?

We don't know.

We we can't say confidently if there are more errors, but they're certainly far more amplified now than they used to be.

Remember the the finger and the chili at Wendy's?

Yeah, of.

Course.

So this lady claimed that she was eating chili and she found somebody's fingertip in her chili and it like went nuclear and like everybody stopped going to Wendy's and it like almost bankrupted Wendy's.

And come to find out it was like her friend accidentally cut their fingertip off.

So she like threw it in the wall and took a picture and and they like found her friend with like missing finger it.

It's amazing that even if something's true, not true, what kind of harm can potentially be done?

And and how how different companies handle that is interesting too.

I mean like you mentioned earlier, like PSA doesn't really say much.

I mean look at Probsteam, that dude hasn't said a word.

Yeah, and he hasn't said some people, some people believe it's illegal for him to not notify people that their information was hacked.

He had to have done it within 30 days of, of this happening.

And at least in some states, I don't know the legalities.

I don't, I'm not saying that this is true.

I just know that there are a lot of people who believe him not notifying his customers was illegal.

But the, the strategy is, is very simple.

The strategy that he has employed and the strategy strategy that PSA consistently employs, which is we're going to ignore it.

Filth bomb brakes is doing the same thing.

We're going to ignore it and it's going to go away.

And it it, it's, it's right it.

That's exactly what happens.

I'm I'm like a really late on the curve guy with some of this stuff and and I haven't been I've been so busy with some of my own stuff I got going on.

I don't know what the filth bomb brakes thing is.

So I, I don't, I'm sure it's probably an episode worthy and I'm sure you probably talked about it on your Sunday video that I haven't watched yet, but I have watched two of your videos today, so you can't get too mad at me, but.

It's not.

It's not worth knowing about.

Yeah, see, and, and I'm behind the curve on even what's going on with Probstein, mostly because whenever that kind of stuff gets stirred up, I I tend to head in a different direction because it's just going to make me mad.

But I do know that about once every other month I get a letter in the mail that says your, your data was leaked by something.

Yeah.

Today, Covenant.

Health, yes, I'm sure.

I'm sure that there's some sort of legality.

I don't know.

I don't know how it works either.

But so back to the original question, if the grading companies went away, would you agree or disagree that that would be a net negative for the hobby?

I agree it would be a net negative.

And.

Well, for the hobby, for the industry, certainly for the hobby, I think it would be neutral, but I think authentication is very important.

A professional authenticator is important.

There are all kinds of stories about the 1980s and and counterfeit Pete Rose rookie cards and counterfeit Nolan Ryan rookie cards.

I think the authentication of cards is very important.

So I'm going to say net negative for the hobby.

I think for the industry it's a net negative too.

I mean, think about all of the people who are hustling for their career of buying collections and selling cards, you know, that are, are selling on eBay that are doing that whole thing, cashing people out.

And the if if all of the expensive cards all of a sudden you didn't know what to trust anymore.

I would think that would devastate a lot of those small businesses within the industry.

And even, you know, PSA being able to buy a card on COMC, have it sent directly to PSA from PSA once it gets graded, being able to list it directly on the eBay or sell it to the offer.

Like there are a lot of people who are living, they're paying their rent off of that right now.

And all of that would go away.

I think it would be fairly devastating for the hobby or for the hobby and for the industry.

As long as you are a person who participates over that very, you know, normal under 50 to $100 range, I think that it would heavily affect things.

And again, I know I'm just going to get trashed for sounding like I am am defending grading companies.

All I'm saying is this grading companies deserve to be critiqued when they make mistakes to try to encourage them to continue to improve.

But we also have to give them credit for, for some of the things that they've done that have helped the industry and the hobby too.

And I feel like we want to take the good, but we want to bash the bad.

And, and it it's, it's like the the spouse, you know who just yells at you whenever you don't pick up your crap, but they never say thank you when you're Saturday afternoon fixing a garbage disposal that broke under the sink in the kitchen.

Hypothetically, yeah.

So what you're saying is you take the good, you take the bad, you take them both, and then you have the.

Facts of life, that's.

Right.

That's right.

Yeah, I, I don't know.

I, I, I just was thinking about it today and I was thinking about the scams that you and Chris were talking about.

And I'm like, how much worse would this be if there were no grading companies?

And then I was thinking about, you bought this fairly big card and how comfortable would we be buying a fairly big card without the grading company?

And I felt like listening to two of your episodes today, I was reminded, gently reminded of some of the benefits that these businesses do for us in creating consumer confidence in in preventing some of the additional scams that eBay and PSA are doing that we're benefiting from, that I think that sometimes we take for granted.

And I just felt like it was something worthy of at least, you know, picking your brain on.

Yeah, I agree.

I thought there was a great topic.

I don't know if I have anything else.

The, I will say that I, I stood next to my dad many times before the grading thing started and dealers, it was very accepted and known that the, the, the buyer would be pulling the card out of the protect the protective sleeve and semi rigid and top loader.

And at that time screw downs and stuff like my, I, I personally physically handled very expensive cards in the raw before grading started.

So and, and that has its potential hazards as well.

You know, there are only so many nice high end cards, and not having them encapsulated means the likelihood of the number of those dropping is reasonable because things are going to happen when you're handling them.

Yeah, yeah.

So that's all I got.

Do you have anything else?

We're 38 minutes in.

Well, on our on our website, sportscarclubhouse.com, we ended ended the poll from last week.

And if I remember correctly, SGC finished just ahead of CSG.

Do I have that right?

Yes, yeah.

In terms of best slab and there were like 100 some odd votes.

So what is the latest poll that's out there?

Great.

I'm even going to put it on the screen.

I had it prepped because yes, that was that was one of the things I was also going to talk about.

But that if you do get your cards graded, who do you prefer?

And our poll said that at least the people in our audience prefer SGC, which doesn't surprise me 'cause Vintage does look really nice in SGC.

So that was the poll results that it was SGCCGC was was was nearby and then everyone else was distant.

It was like 36% for SGC, 34 for CGC, right?

Something like that.

So just the two of them made 70% of the total.

And this one, this newest 1 is best card show besides the National.

And I really, really regret Adam asked us for our input.

I really regret not saying add Shriners in there because I didn't think of it.

And Shriners for me has become a must go to in the fall.

And I haven't been to any of these.

So I can't even vote.

I didn't vote.

I haven't seen the results.

Why don't you click on one of these that you like the best and let's see where the results are right now.

Well, I've only been to 1 and and it's Strongsville.

I will say that of the ones I've not been to, I would really like to go to Philly more than any of the ones.

If, if I were to pick one that I was going to go to, I'd want to go to Philly.

I'm going to go to the West Coast Burbank show in February.

So I'll have more information on that.

But I'm going to choose the only one I've been to, which is Strongsville.

And let's see, let's see how our results are at the moment.

I assume it's low, a low vote total, but we don't see vote total.

Yeah.

So Strongsville is 1/2 and West Coast Burbank has a third of them.

So that's pretty significant.

And and our friends north of the border are currently getting shut out.

I I'm Jeremy Lee obviously hasn't voted because I would think he would go at the Expo.

Carlos probably hasn't voted.

He would go at the Expo is Carlos.

In Canada, I don't think I knew that.

Yeah, I think so.

I thought so.

He goes to the Expo every year.

OK.

Pretty sure.

West Coast, Burbank 32%, Philly 5%, White Plains 5%.

Interesting.

Dallas 11%.

There you go.

So Moynihan's voted.

I don't know.

I don't know what he would vote for.

I'm just being funny.

Well, a trying to be.

Yeah.

So check out the poll.

Let us know what you think.

Strongsville, AKA Independence.

Again, I'm keeping an open mind.

I think it's going to be a lot of fun.

It'll be different, but it'll be a lot of fun still, no doubt about it.

And again, for those listening, I will be at the Embassy Suites and I believe that's where Mike is planning on being.

A lot of lot of guys will be at the Embassy Suites.

I know Darren return to collecting, I know Tony Southern Collector, I know Mike Petty.

All those guys are also Embassy Suites guys, amongst others.

So but they're all pretty close to each other.

And we should throw out a plug that the Friday night hangout hosted by the Mayor Crystal, Missouri is going to be at the Embassy Suites.

And then the four collectors trade night will be Saturday night, which I guess that would be April 11th, I believe.

And that will be hosted at the Holiday Inn, which is where the dealers, most of the dealers are staying, which is walking distance of the Embassy Suites.

So that'll be a blast.

Yeah, I'm excited about it.

I'll be there Friday.

And so, hey, you got to start rebuilding up the war chest after buying that, that new Jackie Robinson, the 53.

Jackie Robinson, I have a 54 and a 55 and you have a 53, a 54 and a 56.

So you're beating me right now?

Yeah, I lost you there for a couple seconds.

I'm beating you.

How?

You're beating me because you have a 53, a 54 and a 56, Jackie and I have a 54 and I have a 55.

Yeah 55 I have a safe search for 55 in a in about a 1.5 is what I'm looking for.

Ain't mine's in a four.

Nice.

I think my 54 and 55 I think are both fours.

Nice.

I mean, so they got that.

I mean, if they're fours, they got to be amazing, right?

Absolutely.

Well, Greg, as always, I think this was a great episode.

10 out of 10.

We're rating ourselves right now 10 out of 10.

10 stars.

Two homers grading ourselves here.

All right, buddy, I had a blast.

We will do it again in a week.

How's that sound?

I'm.

Looking forward to it, all right.