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[SPEAKER_02]: And now, please enjoy this week's episode of pod and prejudice, covering chapters 11 and 12 [SPEAKER_00]: This is Becca.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is Molly.

[SPEAKER_01]: Where you're here to talk about Jane Austen.

[SPEAKER_02]: We are here specifically to talk about Mom's Field Park.

[SPEAKER_01]: Listeners, if you're new here, I Becca have read many Jane Austen novels through my lifetime.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm Molly.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm reading all of them for the first time through this podcast.

[SPEAKER_01]: If you want to hear Molly read through Pride and Pregidas, since in sensibility, Emma or persuasion for the first time, you can listen to season 1, 2, 3, and 4 of this podcast respectively, but that is not what we're doing here today.

[SPEAKER_01]: No, today we are talking about Mansfield Park, volume the first chapters 11 and 12.

[SPEAKER_01]: Really quick, I note, my book is not volume to nor is my audio book.

[SPEAKER_01]: Where does volume the first end here?

[SPEAKER_01]: I think I know, but I want to be more.

[SPEAKER_02]: Is it possible that I made up that it was volume?

[SPEAKER_01]: Can I see?

[SPEAKER_01]: No, I'm pretty sure it is.

[SPEAKER_01]: It is volume.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yes, yes.

[SPEAKER_01]: Listeners, I have a theory about weird ends, but I want to make sure.

[SPEAKER_01]: Ooh, we're actually kind of into this girlie now.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, oh, oh, oh, that's a really funny end, but we were okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: Good stuff.

[SPEAKER_01]: But we left off in suppotin.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, they were just coming back from suppotin where Mariah and Henry Crawford had their hailed improperly.

[SPEAKER_01]: They sure did.

[SPEAKER_01]: And everyone left fany on the ha ha.

[SPEAKER_02]: I just realized that it sounds a little dirty.

[SPEAKER_01]: leaving Fanny on the ha ha.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that just the ha ha in general.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm saying it over and over again.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's it's because some.

[SPEAKER_01]: You just got that.

[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, because I was laughing.

[SPEAKER_02]: No, I was going to say that it sounds like Huha, but ha.

[SPEAKER_02]: And you know, it is there is like a little like opening there, sure is anyway, fan he was left on the ha and she was getting depressed about it and then they all left and they were like, [SPEAKER_01]: flirting.

[SPEAKER_01]: Every ever was flirting in front of her.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: And she was upset about Edmund flirting.

[SPEAKER_01]: And she was upset about Mariah flirting.

[SPEAKER_01]: And Rushworth and Julia were both upset about Henry and Mariah flirting.

[SPEAKER_01]: It was a whole thing.

[SPEAKER_01]: And now here we are back at Mansfield Park.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's where we left off.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_02]: So the Miss Bertrims would rather daydream about Henry Crawford than their father.

[SPEAKER_02]: Who's letters soon announced that he is coming home.

[SPEAKER_02]: In November.

[SPEAKER_01]: Don't, don't, don't.

[SPEAKER_02]: I still have hope that he's dead at sea.

[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.

[SPEAKER_01]: I will neither confirm mode to nine.

[SPEAKER_02]: He says in his letters that he's taking the September packet home and I did look up packet and I could have used my productive reasoning skills, which I did, but just to confirm it's a boat that carries male and people.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I guess it means there's only one per month.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it seems like that's the case.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, also like traveling used to be a lot harder.

[SPEAKER_01]: Damn.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, to get from Antique what to wherever they are.

[SPEAKER_01]: England.

[SPEAKER_02]: England.

[SPEAKER_01]: They're in England.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, no, I imagine it was difficult.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: part of why they're not looking forward to him coming home obviously is because Mariah will have to marry a Mr.

Rushworth when he comes home because that's what he's expecting and that's what everyone's expecting.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well he gave his consent to her engagement because we shant for get Mariah is an fact engaged.

[SPEAKER_01]: Jerry very much engaged Mr.

Rushworth and last time Sir Tom has heard anything about this it was Mariah very much wants to get married to this nice rich boy and he wrote back oh my god amazing just wait till [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_01]: So that's what he knows.

[SPEAKER_01]: And so he's expected to come home to his in love daughter, ready to get married.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, to a very wealthy man.

[SPEAKER_01]: And instead, what we have here is ambivalence, shall we say.

[SPEAKER_02]: At the very least, yes.

[SPEAKER_02]: Mariah is trying to rationalize this away.

[SPEAKER_02]: She's like, well, he won't be back in early November.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's probably not going to be until mid to late November, and that's already.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's three months away.

[SPEAKER_02]: And that's like 13 weeks.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, and happen in 13 weeks.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to lie.

[SPEAKER_01]: This is the most relatable.

[SPEAKER_01]: That Mariah is thus far in the face.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, no, it fully is.

[SPEAKER_01]: Her being like, oh, God, I don't want that to happen.

[SPEAKER_01]: Good thing it's two months away.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, you don't want summer camp to end.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's a good example.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: I was thinking like, I have plenty of time before I have to worry about that being something that I think about with like getting my car inspected or setting up a dentist appointment where it's like, oh, I don't have to worry about that right now.

[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[SPEAKER_01]: This is like, that's a future backup problem.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I'll deal with it when I need to.

[SPEAKER_01]: And that's always, you know, then present day me as variables that would pass to me.

[SPEAKER_02]: Future Mariah is in trouble.

[SPEAKER_01]: And present Mariah is very much living on borrowed time.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, Sir Thomas would be mortified to know how much his daughters don't want him to come home.

[SPEAKER_02]: And he would only be minorly consoled to know that a certain misch Crawford is very much looking forward to him coming home.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, she is.

[SPEAKER_02]: Why might she be looking forward to him coming home?

[SPEAKER_01]: It's a really good question.

[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.

[SPEAKER_02]: When she finds out that he's coming home, she stays chill, but then after dinner, she's standing by the window with Edmund and Fanny.

[SPEAKER_02]: Again, always the three of them together are poor Fanny.

[SPEAKER_02]: And she comments on how happy Mr.

Rushworth looks and she says he's probably thinking about November.

[SPEAKER_02]: And Edmund doesn't say anything.

[SPEAKER_02]: So she goes on to say how interesting his father's return will be.

[SPEAKER_02]: And he says, yeah, we'll be interesting.

[SPEAKER_02]: He's been on a big trip.

[SPEAKER_02]: and she's like, it's going to mean your sister's marriage and you're taking orders.

[SPEAKER_02]: And then she says, don't get mad.

[SPEAKER_02]: But don't get mad, but don't hate me, but don't hate me, but this kind of reminds me of some old stories about heroes who had to offer sacrifices to gods when they were turned from their exploits.

[SPEAKER_02]: oh my god girl girl is that like the whole description of the book girl girl it is honestly it's her Mariah and Mary both making choices making choices so she is of course referring to Mariah as being a sacrifice and him for being a sacrifice sacrificing himself to the church yes and he's like both things are entirely voluntary I assure you [SPEAKER_02]: And she says, well, it's fortunate that your father's convenience and your inclination are so aligned.

[SPEAKER_02]: I.e.

[SPEAKER_02]: his father already has a living ready for him in the field he's chosen.

[SPEAKER_02]: And he says, so you think that's why I wanted to take orders.

[SPEAKER_02]: And Fanny goes, of course it's not.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like she was involved in the movie.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god, and Fanny being so offended on Edmund's behalf like how dare you he is holy ma'am The face that that could just made you It was all scrunched up That's I'm sure what Fanny did in the moment 100% and Edmund says it may have biased me a little but I see nothing wrong with job security [SPEAKER_02]: Good point.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's really fair.

[SPEAKER_02]: It is really fair.

[SPEAKER_02]: And he says a man won't make any worse of a clergyman for knowing that he will have a job early on in life.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like actually that's pretty practical.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: And Fanny says it's the same as if like a son of an admiral went into the navy, for example, and nobody questions their motives.

[SPEAKER_02]: And here you are questioning Edmund's motives.

[SPEAKER_01]: And she's like, yeah, but who would want to be a freaking clergyman when you could be in the Navy?

[SPEAKER_02]: She says the Indian Navy is cool.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's the difference.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, basically, being in the Navy is cool.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: And Edmund's like, okay, so being in the Navy is cool.

[SPEAKER_02]: But if a man takes orders, knowing that he's going to get a job, his motives must be questioned, would it then be justified to take orders with no certainty of a job?

[SPEAKER_02]: And she's like, no, that would be crazy.

[SPEAKER_01]: And he's like, then who is going to run the church?

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because you can't do it.

[SPEAKER_02]: If you know you're going to have a job, you can't do it if you're not going to have a job.

[SPEAKER_02]: whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, who [SPEAKER_02]: and she says no doubt he is very sincere and preferring an income ready made to the trouble of working for one and has the best intentions of doing nothing all the rest of his days but eat drink and grow fat.

[SPEAKER_01]: Where did that come from?

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh man Mary Crawford really not doing anybody the favors of the clergy.

[SPEAKER_01]: Also like aren't you trying to flirt with him?

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay listen so I'm kind of seeing where she's coming from [SPEAKER_01]: So she's like joky joky partially, but I actually think she's trying to poke around and see if there's like room room for her to change his mind.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Hmm.

[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.

[SPEAKER_01]: She knows that she has the booty to pull him.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, she's like, I am hot and I am requesting things of him and we do know that does work with men sometimes.

[SPEAKER_01]: for with anybody really if I'm here but but particular like for her yes that is in the text yes that that is that is canon and that is Jane Austen's writing yeah [SPEAKER_02]: She then precedes to just rip clergymen to shreds and says that their curate does all their work for them.

[SPEAKER_02]: I did Google this.

[SPEAKER_01]: We've met curates.

[SPEAKER_02]: We've met curates.

[SPEAKER_02]: And basically what she's saying and what I think maybe true is that the curate is kind of the assistant to the priest or like the head [SPEAKER_02]: The souls of the parish, so like the person who's a little bit closer to the actual people yeah versus the clergyman Or like the priest or whatever who's at the head and doesn't actually like get out into the masses Yeah, that's kind of it, but I will say a cure it is a kind of clergyman.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's just a different title Yep, so and it's also you know a stepping stone in a lot of cases like Charles Hader the Hader Who had called Henry Hader on the last episode, but Charles Hader is a cure-it [SPEAKER_01]: I believe that Wentworth's brother is also a carrot, as well, and it's like a lot of professions where there are people who are directly underneath someone who is a more fancy position, but they're doing more of the work.

[SPEAKER_02]: it's like how I get all of my teeth cleaned by the dental hygienist and then the dentist comes then and I'm like I've never met you before in my life.

[SPEAKER_01]: That is I think exactly what Mary Crawford says.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_01]: With much respect to our nurses and our dental hygienists because you're doing the Lord's work out there.

[SPEAKER_02]: You really are like I love my dental hygienists.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: Obviously dentists have a lot of knowledge about teeth and like come in and they are able to look at your teeth and say you don't have any cavities.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_02]: and like interpret the x-rays and interpret everything, but the person who's actually like getting to know you as the client or the patient is the dental hygienist or the nurse.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's what she's saying.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's like that's the person who's like closest to the actin.

[SPEAKER_02]: So Edmund says that Mary is just repeating opinions that she's heard other people have because he doubts that with the company, she has kept she has met many clergymen, thinking primarily her own goal being an admiral.

[SPEAKER_02]: And she's like, well, when the general public holds an opinion, it's usually right.

[SPEAKER_02]: wrong so wrong and he says when any group of people are condemned indiscriminately there's usually a deficiency of information or something else meaning like a bias.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's a good quote.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's a great quote, very ironic considering where all of his money comes from, but you know, [SPEAKER_02]: Nobody chose that girl.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: I hadn't even considered that I was like, wow, what a good quote about how we shouldn't judge other people.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, great, great thing to think about.

[SPEAKER_01]: I just like to remind you, every so often, what is underlying all of this wealth and all of this tech and science field park and Jane Austen told us in the beginning and it's just kind of lying and weight.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Good point.

[SPEAKER_01]: Molly, it's phase was pretty fucking priceless.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I did not even think of that.

[SPEAKER_02]: So, he says that her uncle and his admiral friends didn't know anything of the clergy beyond the chaplain, so that they were always wishing away.

[SPEAKER_02]: And, Fanny then commenced to herself about how William was always met with nothing but kindness from the chaplain of Antwerp, oh my god, Fanny.

[SPEAKER_01]: She doesn't know how to relate.

[SPEAKER_01]: I know I love her so much, but she is giving a little bit of Angela from the office.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh My god, and I'm watching the office right now.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm showing Mel the office for the first time Angela's an icon first of all.

[SPEAKER_02]: That is a crazy thing to think she's an icon [SPEAKER_01]: Listen, I love the actress who plays Angela.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_02]: Perfect performance, but that's obviously crazy character is problematic, but in the episodes where we are spoilers for the office in case you don't want spoilers get ahead if you have a tune the office Dwight has killed Angela's cat.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god [SPEAKER_02]: and she just broke up with him and she was like, I can't do this anymore.

[SPEAKER_02]: Every time I look into your eyes, I see sprinkles and we were like, Angela's insane, but this is really reasonable.

[SPEAKER_01]: Honestly, that is the craziest plotline and almost the like moment we lose Dwight Friever for me.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: He killed her cat.

[SPEAKER_02]: He murdered her cat, so they just had dinner and at the dinner, she was like, I can't do this anymore, and she got up and left, and Dwight looked so sad.

[SPEAKER_02]: And then you were like, you killed a cat!

[SPEAKER_01]: You deserved that, dude.

[SPEAKER_01]: You murdered her cat.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, but I also do love that episode of the office.

[SPEAKER_01]: Fantastic episode.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's phenomenal.

[SPEAKER_01]: you're in my favorite season of the show.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's a really good season.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's so good.

[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, so if you're not looking for office spoilers, you can come back now.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.

[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, I can see why you would say that she is giving a little Angela.

[SPEAKER_01]: Currently.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's not, I don't want to like the Smurge Fanny's name too hard, because you know, she is our sweet girl.

[SPEAKER_01]: She's been through so much, but this whole bit of her being like, [SPEAKER_01]: Well, my brother, who's in the Navy, loves the church.

[SPEAKER_01]: She has such a good experience of the church.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, and also being like, how dare you, like, say, Edmund wouldn't be fit for the church.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, what are you talking about?

[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, so, she's kind of like, stick up her butt.

[SPEAKER_02]: She's got a stick up her butt.

[SPEAKER_02]: She's like, very much, got Edmund up on a pedestal and thinks that he's perfect.

[SPEAKER_01]: Do we agree?

[SPEAKER_01]: No.

[SPEAKER_02]: There are some moments in this set of chapters where I was like, I would have a crush on you too.

[SPEAKER_02]: If you were not my biological first cousin, but then I remember that he irritates me now, and I rewind.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you're allowed to find him sexy.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, if he is her cousin, is he a little sexy?

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, yeah, do we, do we think Edmund's a little sexy?

[SPEAKER_01]: Who's to say?

[SPEAKER_01]: Homest.

[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, Mary says she doesn't take her uncle's opinion.

[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you very much.

[SPEAKER_02]: And besides, she has an example of a clergyman.

[SPEAKER_02]: She has Dr.

Grant.

[SPEAKER_02]: And Dr.

Grant is kind and is a gentleman in a scholar and all that, as she says.

[SPEAKER_02]: He is also an indolent selfish, Bon vivant, meaning a lazy lump who enjoys a luxurious lifestyle.

[SPEAKER_02]: And he gets mad at his wife when the cook makes them a steak, and in fact that's why she and Henry are here right now is because he was like yelling about a goose on one hand.

[SPEAKER_01]: This is completely correct on the other hand.

[SPEAKER_01]: She is not supposed to be saying this right out loud to his patrons that's a good point.

[SPEAKER_01]: Edmund's basically his boss.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because he's the [SPEAKER_02]: clergy clergy of Mansfield.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he took the living for now.

[SPEAKER_01]: And Edmund's going to take it when he's gone.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, as you may recall, yeah, Edmund's kind of screwed over by the whole situation if you recall.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, Edmund never take it.

[SPEAKER_01]: He will.

[SPEAKER_01]: He just has to wait for Dr.

Grant to leave.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, or die or die.

[SPEAKER_02]: Um, yeah, no, she definitely should shut up is what we're getting at and Edmund then comments to Fanny that she's right.

[SPEAKER_02]: We can't defend Dr.

Grant, which is like one of these situations where he should be seeing that this isn't proper for her to be saying and instead is agreeing with her because she's pretty.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, she is very pretty.

[SPEAKER_02]: Gorgeous.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: Fanny says that just because Dr.

Grant might be a little bit of a bumpy bump.

[SPEAKER_02]: Doesn't mean we need to condemn everyone in the profession.

[SPEAKER_02]: And in fact, Fanny thinks if it's true that Dr.

Grant is that way, it's actually better that he's a clergyman than a soldier or a sailor because fewer people are going to be made unhappy by him.

[SPEAKER_02]: Correct.

[SPEAKER_02]: And the fact that he has to preach every week about like duty and goodness, probably makes him a better person than he would be if he was at war.

[SPEAKER_01]: Not a bad point.

[SPEAKER_01]: You have to have a good disposition if you're going to be the navy.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, [SPEAKER_02]: I agree, and then Ms.

Crawford says, well, I hope you don't become a clergyman's wife.

[SPEAKER_02]: For while he may preach himself into a good mood on Sundays, he's quarreling about green geese from Monday morning until Saturday night, and that's also a good point.

[SPEAKER_02]: If he's gonna be annoying the rest of the week, and then be a good person on Sundays, that enough to make it worth it.

[SPEAKER_02]: Edmund says that the man who could quarrel around Fanny is beyond the reach of any sermons.

[SPEAKER_02]: Which I thought was cute.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_02]: And Mary says, Fanny is more used to deserving prayers than hearing it.

[SPEAKER_02]: Gay?

[SPEAKER_01]: It is a little gay.

[SPEAKER_01]: I really think this is an interesting development here because we've talked only a little bit about the relationship between Mary and Fanny because we mostly get it from Fanny's perspective, but right here we have a pretty clear cut complement.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, from Mary to Fanny.

[SPEAKER_01]: What do you make of that?

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, first of all, [SPEAKER_02]: One way to interpret it would be, Edmund just complimented Fanny, so Mary complimented Fanny too, to prove something to Edmund, to be like, look, I can do that too.

[SPEAKER_02]: Alternatively, when I first read it, I was reading it more as like a kind of condescending, oh, a Fanny's so perfect.

[SPEAKER_02]: Number three, which I just thought of, [SPEAKER_02]: jealous that she's hearing Edmund compliment Fanny so openly.

[SPEAKER_02]: And so that's where the Oh, she's so perfect is coming from.

[SPEAKER_01]: So it is either her being condescending to undermine Fanny because she's jealous that Edmund's complimenting Vinnie or it's that she finds Fanny a darling little deer.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's what I was thinking when I was reading at the first time that it's kind of like little sweet Chubby cheeks pinch of cheeks a little bit.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but it is true.

[SPEAKER_01]: Fanny is way more used to deserving compliments than getting them.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_02]: And of course, we forgot the other option, which is gay.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I am shocked.

[SPEAKER_01]: You didn't immediately go there.

[SPEAKER_02]: But no, my first thought was like pinch cheeks, like kind of condescending like your child.

[SPEAKER_02]: And you deserve someone to praise.

[SPEAKER_02]: But it would be better if it were [SPEAKER_02]: a little guy because reminder that in that these two are the ones on the cover, I think, and their guy in the cover canonically, so chronically, that like it's supposed to be guy.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but I think that the most likely one is that Mary is being snarky because she doesn't want admin to be complimenting Fanny.

[SPEAKER_02]: Now it's kind of a compliment for her to see Fanny as a threat.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think I think I'm not going to put my opinion here, because you know, spoilies.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: Then Mary is called away for a glee, which is a song with three or more parts love in harmony, you know, yeah, Edmund loves to watch her walk away.

[SPEAKER_02]: Do you want to hear it?

[SPEAKER_01]: I sure do.

[SPEAKER_02]: There's actually there's another passage after this one that I also wanted to read and that that I do want you to read as well, but so we're just going to read this page, but we'll do it in parts.

[SPEAKER_02]: This is him watching her walk away.

[SPEAKER_02]: There goes good humor, I am sure.

[SPEAKER_02]: There goes a temper which would never give pain.

[SPEAKER_02]: How well she walks and how readily she falls in with the inclination of others.

[SPEAKER_01]: Joining them, the moment she is asked, I'm pretty sure that's like Jane Austen of a equivalent of being horny on Maine.

[SPEAKER_01]: It is.

[SPEAKER_01]: It is like pretty horny for Jane Austen.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, how she walks.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no, it's pretty horny.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, but at the same time, I know he's saying she's agreeable, but it's also like, look how well she does, but she's told I think he's saying, look how like happy she is to be with other people and like be yeah dating, but like now I have bit trackers Redmond and we're about two minutes away from you being back in.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_02]: And he adds also that it's a pity that she's in such hands as, I think, her uncle.

[SPEAKER_01]: So you kind of get a sense in this passage.

[SPEAKER_01]: First of all, that Edmund is horny on Maine.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of all, you're seeing the narrative he's forming around Mary and his brain.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, which is, oh, she is my perfect woman.

[SPEAKER_01]: She's just been slightly raised wrong.

[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.

[SPEAKER_01]: We just tweet, she's perfect.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, you're right.

[SPEAKER_02]: He's making excuses for her because of how she was raised and saying that like if she was raised differently, she would be without a fault.

[SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.

[SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.

[SPEAKER_02]: And then there's another passage that I want to read.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, just to set the scene for our listeners at this point, it's Fanny and Edmund standing outside.

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, by the outdoors by the window and Fanny's really happy that Edmund didn't go to the glee with Mary that he's standing with her instead and then she says this.

[SPEAKER_02]: So she's looking out at the view, and she says, here's Harmony, here's Repose, here's what may leave all painting and all music behind, and what only poetry can attempt to describe.

[SPEAKER_02]: Here's what may tranquilize every care and lift the heart to rapture.

[SPEAKER_02]: When I look out on such a night as this, I feel as if there could be neither wickedness nor sorrow in the world, and there certainly would be less of both if the sublimity of nature were more attended to, and people were carried more out of themselves by contemplating such a scene.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's such a beautiful passage.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's like almost chicovian in like how it's describing nature and like it's connection to human nature.

[SPEAKER_02]: Agreed.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's also really sad because she's really trying to like connect and all she gets from him is like I love your enthusiasm.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: And basically, like, uh, we need more people like you on the world kid.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this this moment I love because I was being mean to Fanny before because she was being annoying.

[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.

[SPEAKER_01]: But this moment gives you a glimpse into Fanny that we haven't gotten yet because mostly we've seen her be kind of a door mat and be a traumatized child and be basically very put upon this [SPEAKER_01]: You see what she believes, and you see what moves her, and it's beautiful.

[SPEAKER_01]: It is.

[SPEAKER_01]: She's able to form such gorgeous thoughts about it.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and we were talking about the way Mary, I think it was Mary, it was described in an earlier chapter in how it was such a main character energy.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that this moment gives main character energy, I think if it were in her head, [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what it is, but I think that a lot of our other main characters think stuff like this and don't say it and she says it because she wears her heart on her sleeve and it's not received the way it deserves to be received.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think or the way she wants it to be received.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, she's still overlooked, but before he completely rides it off, [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I forgot that happens before he walks away.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, this is very important because I do actually think this is one of those tender moments between Edmund and Fannie, where you see glimmers of the Hershey wishes to be around him.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, before they look at the stars, though, or talk about looking at the stars, he says he pities anyone who isn't taught to feel as she does.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I clocked that he said, taught to feel as you do, almost giving it like, [SPEAKER_02]: First from him, almost giving me like, he doesn't believe that she could have these feelings of her own accord without being taught that neither does she because then she says I learned it from you, you taught me like, like, I just want her to know that like she has it in her to have these beautiful thoughts and like have them belong to her.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, man.

[SPEAKER_02]: bitch in about Edmund Bertrand being poopy he's poopy but it's like he's men and he's like the patriarchy in this case and like she's buying into it completely.

[SPEAKER_01]: she's fallen for a guy and let him become her personality.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, we've all been there.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, but so she then points out Arcturus and sorry, he points out Arcturus and then she points out the bear and then she says she was she could see Casio Pio, which is my favorite constellation.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I did look into this like very briefly, all these different stars and constellations they're talking about, particularly Keziapia.

[SPEAKER_02]: I was interested in Fannie wanting to look for because she was punished for boasting about her own beauty and Fannie is very like, she values modesty.

[SPEAKER_02]: So I hope that was interesting.

[SPEAKER_02]: And he says, to seek Hesia Pia, they'd have to go outside and she's like, well, it's been too long since we've stargaged together.

[SPEAKER_02]: And he says, okay, let's stay till the end of the song and then go out.

[SPEAKER_01]: The implication that the two of them go stargazing together is a little bit cute.

[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I know why she's in love with him.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm glad.

[SPEAKER_02]: But he's probably been taking her out stargazing since she was a child.

[SPEAKER_02]: So then there's that, too.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: I tell you, when you were a baby.

[SPEAKER_01]: they're so silly.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's fine.

[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but then he walks away from her and just straight up forgets.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.

[SPEAKER_01]: And that's the end of that chapter.

[SPEAKER_01]: No, not quite the end because then Fanny's size looks at the window again and then gets yelled at by Mrs.

Norris.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Mrs.

Norris is like you're going to catch a cold get away from that window.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but he like he says that they're going to come back and go stargazing and then he leaves and never comes back.

[UNKNOWN]: Oh.

[SPEAKER_02]: terrible.

[SPEAKER_02]: So now on to chapter 12, Big T.

Big T is back.

[SPEAKER_02]: He is back.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's the end of August, and Big T has returned.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, he has.

[SPEAKER_02]: He was in Weimith, which we've heard of.

[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, yes, Frank Churchill and Jane Fairfax.

[SPEAKER_01]: Love affair in Weimith.

[SPEAKER_01]: You are correct.

[SPEAKER_01]: Jane Fairfax and Frank Churchill fell in love in Weimith.

[SPEAKER_02]: So, women, to me, holds like, uh, kind of debauchers vibe.

[SPEAKER_02]: Hmm.

[SPEAKER_02]: I never trusted Tom.

[SPEAKER_02]: Let's just say that now.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what happened in women, but I'm loving the Jane Austen multiverse that could potentially exist here in Emean England.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no, I'm like, I'm like, oh, we could write the fanfic where big T is in the way with and he meets Frank Churchill.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and they party.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, Miss Crawford listens to him talk about the races that he was, you know, betting on and the parties and all of it just reinforces that she unfortunately prefers Edmund.

[SPEAKER_02]: and big tea is also not interested in her or he would have written or something.

[SPEAKER_01]: I have a story very similar to this and some of it needs to be bleeped.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think because involves people who are like somewhat famous, but [SPEAKER_01]: When my mom was growing up, she was friends with these two twin boys and one of them was like a nerdy ambitious one and one of them was like cool and trendy and like hippie in like the 70s and she was flirting with both of them but she like very fully preferred the hippie boy obviously and one of them grew up to be [SPEAKER_01]: and his brother's yoga instructor.

[SPEAKER_02]: Nice.

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, and she didn't marry either of them.

[SPEAKER_01]: No, she married a nerdy Canadian Jewish man who is, you know, a professor.

[SPEAKER_02]: Similarly, on the way to your bachelor at party.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my, in the car, I forgot about this.

[SPEAKER_02]: We were listening to a smarty audiobook called Truth or Beard.

[SPEAKER_02]: And the premise of the audiobook is that this girl has been in love with one twin her whole life, like obsessed with him.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then she hooks up with the other twin and doesn't know until later.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, these twins that she's known her whole life, see my mom knew the difference.

[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's what I'm saying.

[SPEAKER_02]: So then the whole premise of the book is that like it's supposed to be that she's like torn because she finds herself more drawn to the bad boy twin, which is not the twin.

[SPEAKER_02]: She's been in love with her whole life.

[SPEAKER_02]: But actually like they immediately start dating.

[SPEAKER_02]: So it's like the tension immediately to place.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_02]: Then the whole back and forth is like, [SPEAKER_02]: them being like, well, I can't be with you.

[SPEAKER_02]: I can't be with you.

[SPEAKER_01]: I need to go out and explore the world.

[SPEAKER_01]: I need to stay here.

[SPEAKER_01]: In case you're wondering if Molly slipped into a Southern accent, know that that was part of the book.

[SPEAKER_01]: That was they read it in the Southern accent.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, so similar story.

[SPEAKER_02]: Not really, but also, wait, about this book.

[SPEAKER_02]: Also, like, [SPEAKER_02]: It has so many good reviews.

[SPEAKER_02]: People love this book.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's easier if you love Truth or Beard live your truth.

[SPEAKER_01]: We're so.

[SPEAKER_01]: Or for.

[SPEAKER_01]: Live your beard.

[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, we're not here to judge if you love this funny little southern tale.

[SPEAKER_01]: I finished the book.

[SPEAKER_01]: Nobody else that was in that car finished the book.

[SPEAKER_01]: I did.

[SPEAKER_01]: But it was surprising to us that it was so well reviewed.

[SPEAKER_01]: Not no hate to the author.

[SPEAKER_01]: Just much love to the author.

[SPEAKER_02]: I actually good for you.

[SPEAKER_01]: Make your bag girl.

[SPEAKER_02]: All that to say, two brothers.

[SPEAKER_02]: Uh oh, you're in love with the wrong one.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Trophy.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for sure.

[SPEAKER_02]: And Jane Austen invented it as always as she always does.

[SPEAKER_02]: So Mary at this point is so indifferent to Big T that she thinks were he to become the owner of a Mansfield Park this very instant she would still not accept him.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's a lot of wealth for her Like that's that was her whole M.O.

[SPEAKER_02]: coming here.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and she's just actually kind of into Edmund.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah for whatever reason [SPEAKER_01]: He must be really hot.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's canonically a thing that the Bertrims are hot to look at.

[SPEAKER_01]: But so is big tea.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, man.

[SPEAKER_02]: But he didn't care about her.

[SPEAKER_01]: No, and Edmund is not a party boy.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's like the opposite of a party boy.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's the opposite of a party boy.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's a wet blanket.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's such a wet blanket.

[SPEAKER_02]: So Tom arrives and Henry leaves for two weeks.

[SPEAKER_02]: Because he has seasonal duties.

[SPEAKER_01]: seasonal duties.

[SPEAKER_02]: Ha ha ha ha.

[SPEAKER_02]: I wanted to read this paragraph.

[SPEAKER_02]: Important point.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_02]: He went for a fortnight, a fortnight of such dullness to the misburterums as ought to have put them both on their guard and made even Julia admit in her jealousy of her sister the absolute necessity of distrusting his attentions and wishing him not to return.

[SPEAKER_02]: and a fortnight of sufficient leisure in the intervals of shooting and sleeping do heck convinced the gentleman that he ought to keep longer away had he been more in the habit of examining his own motives and of reflecting to what the indulgence of his idle vanity was tending.

[SPEAKER_02]: But thoughtless and selfish from prosperity and bad example he would not look beyond the present moment.

[SPEAKER_02]: The sisters, handsome, clever, and encouraging were an amusement to his stated mind, and finding nothing in Norfolk to equal the social pleasures of Mansfield eagerly returned to it at the time appointed and was welcomed that they're quite gladly by those, with whom he came to trifle with farther.

[SPEAKER_01]: Henry Crawford, you naughty, naughty boy.

[SPEAKER_01]: You saucy-ming.

[SPEAKER_01]: You saucy-mings of a boy.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he is a naughty.

[SPEAKER_02]: He's very naughty.

[SPEAKER_02]: He knows what he's doing and he's wrong.

[SPEAKER_02]: And he's just not stopping.

[SPEAKER_01]: Nope, he's just like, huh.

[SPEAKER_01]: It would be fun to flirt with them both and toy with their reputations both a little bit more.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, for a little bit longer.

[SPEAKER_02]: Because in his mind, [SPEAKER_02]: Nobody's getting hurt.

[SPEAKER_01]: They're just having a bit of good fun.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's also just not thinking about if anybody's getting hurt.

[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's not on his mind.

[SPEAKER_02]: He doesn't think about how his actions affect other people at all.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's fun for him so he will do it.

[SPEAKER_02]: Not a boy.

[SPEAKER_02]: Not a boy.

[SPEAKER_01]: Henry Crawford, not a boy.

[SPEAKER_01]: Not a boy.

[SPEAKER_01]: Not a boy.

[SPEAKER_02]: Moriah has been very bored of Mr.

Rushworth this whole time and [SPEAKER_02]: Meanwhile, Julia feels she has the right to miss him even more, but technically she does.

[SPEAKER_02]: Because Mariah is what?

[SPEAKER_02]: Engage.

[SPEAKER_02]: Very engaged.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_02]: They each think that there is favorite.

[SPEAKER_02]: And Julia is justified in this by the hints of Mrs.

Grant.

[SPEAKER_02]: And Mariah is justified in this by the hint of Henry Crawford, which is probably the more accurate hint.

[SPEAKER_02]: probably.

[SPEAKER_02]: Henry keeps flirting with both of them in a way where they each continue to think that they're his favorite, but he keeps it just above board enough that it doesn't catch the interest of like the people.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like it doesn't start rumors.

[SPEAKER_01]: No one notices except Fanny.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh no, Fanny notices, but she doesn't trust her own judgment enough to flat out say, [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and also, like, how do you say that?

[SPEAKER_02]: I guess it's hard because it would kind of ruin your cousins.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to once again take us back to chapters one and two if you're having wonders about why Fanny doubts herself to remind you that at a very young age she was brought to this home and told that she barely belongs there and she's a un-greatful little girl if she feels an ounce of [SPEAKER_01]: negative feelings towards her host family and these girls she walked into a playroom with them and they made fun of her for not knowing French or where anything was on a map and it has informed in her that these women are just superior to her and all of the good stuff she knows is from Edmund and that trepidation that being a part of the house in a way where she's not really of the house.

[SPEAKER_01]: is still a part of her.

[SPEAKER_01]: So when she is the only one to notice how inappropriate Crawford's behavior is, which by the way, she notices, as I said in the last bit, because they acted that way in front of her because they overlooked her, she doesn't, it's not an easy thing for her to bring up.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's kind of like in a Cinderella story, how, everyone's very Cinderella.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's very Cinderella.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's like if Cinderella doesn't get the [SPEAKER_01]: It's if Cinderella were Angela from the office.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, except Angela believes that she's better than everyone.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, and Fanny is not like that.

[SPEAKER_02]: No, I'm thinking more like how Hillary often is Cinderella's story gets like walked all over, but she knows that she has more to offer the world and Fanny doesn't.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, because in a Cinderella story, Sam spends most of her life with her father who tells her over and over again, you're going to get into Princeton.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: Um, so she has that.

[SPEAKER_01]: But in the same way Cinderella's out of place in her home and like forced to be that way, there are fanty is dealing with actual class dynamics that would have placed her beneath this part of her family for a lot of reasons.

[SPEAKER_01]: From the jump where Cinderella was like forced down that way.

[SPEAKER_01]: So she, she is being raised, but with serious conditions.

[SPEAKER_01]: So it takes a lot for her to have [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, which Edmund should know.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, but, but instead, she hints at it.

[SPEAKER_02]: She says that she's surprised that Henry came back so soon since he's rumored to love being on the move, never staying in one place.

[SPEAKER_02]: He's used to more excitement than Mansfield Park has to offer, and Edmund says, well, [SPEAKER_02]: It makes his sister very happy that he came back and Fanny's like he's also quite a favorite with your sisters and Edmund says that he has pleasing manners to women, that's for sure.

[SPEAKER_02]: And he mentioned that Mrs Grant thinks that he prefers Julia, but he's never noticed that he hopes it's true and attachment would be good for Henry Crawford and Fanny says, if Mariah were not engaged, Fanny might almost think that Henry likes her more.

[SPEAKER_02]: And Edmund says, the weirdest thing that one could possibly say, he says, I think that's a sign that he actually likes truly a more because when a guy likes a girl.

[SPEAKER_02]: Before he knows he likes the girl, he usually favors her best friend or her sister.

[SPEAKER_01]: This is what I mean when I say Edmund has no risk.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's like if Mr.

Collins were the Anjani, it's not that extreme.

[SPEAKER_01]: But he does have some of these like, ladies and their sensitivities.

[SPEAKER_01]: And our ladies and they're interesting ways.

[SPEAKER_01]: The ladies and they do their things.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'll never understand the ladies.

[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's very bad.

[SPEAKER_02]: He thinks that Henry has way too much sense to stay here if he were actually in danger of falling from Raya.

[SPEAKER_02]: Because, say with me listeners, she is engaged.

[SPEAKER_02]: Fanny says that she must have been mistaken, but she can't help but continue to wonder.

[SPEAKER_02]: One night, she's sitting at a ball.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's her first ball.

[SPEAKER_02]: Wow, no fanfare.

[SPEAKER_02]: They decided on the ball last minute because there was a violinist and they decided to try to gather five couples with the help of Mrs.

Grant and a new, intimate friend of Mr.

Bertram's just arrived for a visit.

[SPEAKER_02]: Hmm, I'm curious about who that is.

[SPEAKER_01]: Do you have theories about who this is?

[SPEAKER_02]: My guess is it's a new character, a friend, from Way Miss, potential love interest for Fanny.

[SPEAKER_02]: I need someone to shake Fanny out of this, like whatever she's in right now.

[SPEAKER_02]: I need her to [SPEAKER_02]: I thought for a little while, I thought Henry Crawford was going to be the guy, but someone needs to just show her that she's worth something.

[SPEAKER_01]: And you're saying Henry is too much a naughty boy.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't, she deserves better than him.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: He's hot, though.

[SPEAKER_01]: The hot energy is intense.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'll have our squads eye-short king.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but like he's not behaving well this chapter So I'm not rooting for that And there's been no proof that that would be even something that could be considered to happen I don't think he knows who Fanny is so I am hoping that this random friend of Tom Bertrims is gonna be the guy I'll need to confirm now tonight.

[SPEAKER_02]: Great [SPEAKER_02]: So she's sitting because she's danced for dances.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think, with various men, like everyone's transferring men, but Tom has left so their men short.

[SPEAKER_02]: So she's alone sitting with Mrs.

Norris and Mrs.

Rushworth.

[SPEAKER_02]: And she's waiting for Tom to come back because that's her best hope of getting a partner.

[SPEAKER_02]: And Mrs.

Norris is saying that Mariah and Mr.

Rushworth will be happy because their dancing together again now.

[SPEAKER_02]: It was a shame they had to part.

[SPEAKER_02]: They had danced one already, now they're together.

[SPEAKER_02]: And Mrs.

Rushworth says, yes, they shouldn't have had to not in their situation.

[SPEAKER_02]: Mrs.

Norris says Mariah has a strict sense of propriety so she wouldn't have wanted to do too many dances with him in a row.

[SPEAKER_02]: That would be improper.

[SPEAKER_02]: But of course she looks much happier now.

[SPEAKER_02]: Fanny thinks that she looks happier now because she's dancing next to Henry and Julia and she's being like boisterous so that he'll notice her.

[SPEAKER_02]: And if his quote how she had looked before Fanny could not recollect for she had been dancing with Edmund herself and had not thought about her.

[SPEAKER_01]: we don't get to hear about the dance much.

[SPEAKER_02]: We don't get to hear about the dance, but she's got goole ads for Edmund.

[SPEAKER_02]: Mrs.

Norris says that they are setting an example, Maria and Mr.

Rushworth, and maybe there will be another match soon.

[SPEAKER_02]: And at first Mrs.

Rushworth doesn't even know who she's talking about, and Mrs.

Norris was like, you know, [SPEAKER_02]: Henry and Julia, and then she's like, oh right, totally.

[SPEAKER_02]: How much does he make in a year?

[SPEAKER_02]: And Mrs.

Norris reveals that it's 4,000.

[SPEAKER_02]: And Mrs.

Rushworth says those who have not more must be satisfied with what they have.

[SPEAKER_02]: She's like, oh the poor.

[SPEAKER_02]: And Mrs.

Norris is like, well, it's not settled yet, but we all expect it to happen soon.

[SPEAKER_02]: And then Tom comes in.

[SPEAKER_02]: And Fanny is hoping he's going to ask her to dance, but instead he sits down and starts telling her about a sick horse, because nobody thinks to dance with Fanny.

[SPEAKER_02]: No, and big tea is a certain personality.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_02]: And Fanny feels that she has been unreasonable for asking or for thinking that he might ask.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, Fanny, then big tea picks up a newspaper and starts reading and then he's non-tallantly says, if you want to dance, Fanny, I'd stand up with you.

[SPEAKER_01]: We've all been propositioned this way.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: And you have to, I must impress this upon every single one of our single listeners who is still getting propositioned this way.

[SPEAKER_01]: You must, for your own dignity, turn this down.

[SPEAKER_01]: You must.

[SPEAKER_01]: I know it's tempting, but you must.

[SPEAKER_01]: You deserve better.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, you deserve someone who doesn't afterthought offer you things.

[SPEAKER_02]: You deserve someone who doesn't say if you want [SPEAKER_01]: But rather says, I want to do this with you.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's fine if he comes in immediately and says, if you would like to dance, I'm happy to take you like an officer's hand, but it's the sitting down and reading and noticing she's sitting there and being like, hey, if you want to, I'll go up.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think it would be better if he's just says, what do you like to dance and take their hand?

[SPEAKER_02]: You know, like, I want someone to want to dance with me.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yes.

[SPEAKER_02]: Not to say, I'll dance with you if you want to dance because that implies that it's like when you're dating someone early on.

[SPEAKER_02]: If you say, should I come over and they say, if you want, or like, will you come over and they say, if you want me to?

[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no, no.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's, I want to come over, can I, or like, can you come over, I want you to come?

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, you have to make it clear.

[SPEAKER_02]: You want this.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: So anyway, like it doesn't matter because this is Tom and obviously Tom is not an option here, but you deserve better listeners and fanning deserves better.

[SPEAKER_02]: Fanning knows enough to say, no, thanks, I don't want to dance.

[SPEAKER_02]: And he goes, oh, thank God, I'm so tired.

[SPEAKER_02]: And then he says, all of these people must be in love for dancing so long.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like they couldn't possibly be dancing this long if they weren't in love.

[SPEAKER_02]: He says everyone but Yates and Mrs.

Grant are lovers and Mrs.

Grant must be as in want of a lover as the rest of them because her life with a doctor must be so boring.

[SPEAKER_02]: And the doctor in question is sitting right there, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, he sure is.

[SPEAKER_02]: And does Tom say there's knowing that he's there to see it caught afterwards being like, uh, [SPEAKER_02]: Mr.

Grant how are things unclear because he immediately like shifts to being like, oh, that business in America, Dr.

Grant, what do you think of it, but it's unclear as to whether he knew Mr.

Grant was there and wanted to talk shit because he wanted to be funny.

[SPEAKER_01]: I have a question for our listeners on this one.

[SPEAKER_01]: The business in America, I take this like to be Tom referencing the paper that he's reading.

[SPEAKER_01]: Because at first when I read it, I was like, oh, he's referencing his father's business in the Americas in Antigua.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's what I thought at first, too.

[SPEAKER_01]: But now I realize he was reading a paper.

[SPEAKER_01]: He was reading a paper and he says America, not the Americas, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: So maybe it's the [SPEAKER_01]: That one makes sense.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm also saving.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_01]: Listen, there's tell me if I'm wrong about this.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't take this to be a reference to Sir Thomas' business in the Americas, but if it is, you know, interesting for Tom to bring that up here.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: No, I think it's probably more likely something with the paper, because he's like, I go to you for my, like, knowledge on public matters.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I think he's referencing something in the paper, so I'm interested as to what it can be.

[SPEAKER_02]: Mrs.

Norris then asks him to play around a wist with her Mrs.

Rushworth and Dr.

Grant.

[SPEAKER_01]: Because to include Fanny would be too much.

[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, Mrs.

Norris could possibly voluntarily hang out with Fanny.

[SPEAKER_01]: Never.

[SPEAKER_02]: She says, though we play but half crowns, you know, you may bet half guinea's with him with reference to Dr.

Grant and a half crown being significantly less than a half guinea.

[SPEAKER_02]: So she's like in front of him talking about how rich he is and how they're going to take his money.

[SPEAKER_02]: She's ridiculous, Tom says, Oh, I would love to, but I'm about to dance with Fanny, a Whoops story can't, and then he's using Fanny to get out of it.

[SPEAKER_02]: So like she's happy to be dancing, but she's also like this is selfish and annoying way to be.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, ask to dance.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, [SPEAKER_02]: And Tom then complains to Fannie about how his aunt asked him in such a way that would not have given him a choice because she asked him in front of everyone and he's so smart for having thought to dance with Fannie.

[SPEAKER_02]: And we end on the note that when Mrs.

Norris has a fancy in her head, nothing can stop her.

[SPEAKER_02]: We end a Norse twice in these chapters.

[SPEAKER_01]: We too.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, pour us.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, well, that's the end of those chapters, which brings us to our patron study questions.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We received a lot of questions for this one, so it's possible.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, if I've skipped a question you ask my apologies, we will we will try to ask it at a different point in time.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, Avi asks, what are we to make of Mary Crawford's opinions?

[SPEAKER_01]: How do you reconcile their truth with their tactlessness?

[SPEAKER_01]: Which opinions are we specifically talking about?

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think we're talking about her opinions on the clergy and her references to her sister and her husband and her opinions on the Navy, all of which come at the beginning of chapter 11.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_02]: And we did at times actually say like she is right.

[SPEAKER_01]: Mary Crawford is often right.

[SPEAKER_01]: She's not always right, but she can often be right.

[SPEAKER_01]: She says she's one of those people who I think the best way to put this is that there is a type of person who says, I don't bullshit, I'm just honest and people sometimes like take that the wrong way and they use it as a license to be mean.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, which is I think accurate to her and I think [SPEAKER_02]: You know, she might be right, but there is a time in a place and there are also people with whom to share certain opinions and there are times to share opinions that aren't well the people that you're talking about are directly affected by it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's an off-butting characteristic in people nowadays.

[SPEAKER_01]: Back then, it was a character flaw.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: And as a character in a book, it makes sure, again, I will say this the most entertaining character to read by far.

[SPEAKER_01]: She's super entertaining.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's tough, because a lot of the times when we're reading these books, I have similar thoughts to what she says out loud, but I'm not a character in the books, but like as a reader, I'm like, that's exactly what I would say or like what I'm thinking.

[SPEAKER_02]: She's saying things out loud that we're thinking, but that she's not allowed to say and she's saying to bluntly.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think we talk a lot about Jane Austen as a timeless author, but she's also an author in a time.

[SPEAKER_01]: And we talk about that a lot on the podcast how things translate differently nowadays than they did back then and Mary Crawford I think in particular is a character that was very specifically one way in her time period and is aging in a different way as time moves on and the story changes a little bit for that.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know whether that is Jane Austen being utterly brilliant in her nuance with this character, or touching something that would eventually come to the fore, or if that is just our read on her in the 21st century, either way Mary is a compelling portion of this book.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, yeah, 100%.

[SPEAKER_01]: Linnea asks, twice fanning has told Edmund something she feels strongly about it, that she didn't want to live with Mrs.

Norris and that Henry is showing too much interest in Mariah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Twice Edmund flat out told her she was wrong.

[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think she'll give up trying to talk to him about feelings?

[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think this will factor into her feelings for him?

[SPEAKER_02]: Hmm.

[SPEAKER_02]: I like this question because we forget or I forgot about that conversation with him about Mrs.

Norris and living with her.

[SPEAKER_02]: And at the time we were like, why does he think he knows what's best for her?

[SPEAKER_02]: And why doesn't he care about how she's feeling about it?

[SPEAKER_02]: And in this case, it's kind of like why doesn't he trust her ability to perceive and [SPEAKER_02]: die chest information like in terms of what I think it means I think that she may try to stop talking to him about feelings if she does talk to him about her feelings I imagine that it will be at a breaking point after this like I think she's so anti-confrontational [SPEAKER_02]: That like, he's told her, she's wrong.

[SPEAKER_02]: She'll never bring it up again.

[SPEAKER_02]: So if she continues to have feelings about these particular things, specifically Mariah and Henry, [SPEAKER_02]: And maybe even Mary Crawford, I think that she's too worried that it will affect their friendship.

[SPEAKER_02]: I wonder if it'll factor into her feelings for him.

[SPEAKER_02]: It would be cool if she saw the flaws in him based on his opinions of other people, but I don't know if she will because she's cut blinders on a little bit.

[SPEAKER_01]: new that can confirm nor deny.

[SPEAKER_01]: Great.

[SPEAKER_01]: So Angelica asks when Vanity describes nature as an antidote to quote wickedness and sorrow is she expressing Austin's own moral outlook or something unique to Vanity.

[SPEAKER_01]: How has nature functioned in the novel up to this point and in what ways is Austin using nature to comment on the morality and character?

[SPEAKER_02]: Hmm.

[SPEAKER_02]: We did love that passage.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's the best passage we've read so far in the book.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's great.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if it's expressing Austin's own moral outlook or something unique to Fanny, I think that that characters are often reflections of the authors and this is probably a belief that Austin holds.

[SPEAKER_02]: It reads similarly to like when the narrator is in the corner in her rocking chair, being like, ah, nature.

[SPEAKER_02]: So I could see this being an Austin [SPEAKER_02]: with nature in the novel up to this point is an interesting question because the ha ha, and fanny sitting on the ha ha and looking out and being like, how beautiful is this?

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm so glad that I get to sit here and look out at this.

[SPEAKER_02]: And that turns quickly, sour when everyone else goes off to actually get into the nature and fanny sitting there looking at it.

[SPEAKER_01]: But are they getting into the nature?

[SPEAKER_02]: know they're getting into each other's pants exactly.

[SPEAKER_02]: And Fanny thinks that people would be better off if they stopped getting so up in each other's business and just looked at the beautiful views and saw the stars some more.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that's true.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's like in Gilmore girls when they're sleeping with the zucchini and they look up and they say we should all look at the stars [SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, yeah, I think that Austin is is showing the most moral character being Fannie, most more moral quote unquote because she's got a stick on her butt.

[SPEAKER_01]: She does have a stick up her butt, but she also is in some ways.

[SPEAKER_01]: The only one who's holding true to her own fucking beliefs right now.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's true and she's also being the most proper and she's playing by the rules and she is the one who loves nature the most she does love nature the most and no one can take that away from her no one can't make that away from her yeah I mean I think that we've talked about this lightly the only thing I'll add to this your your wonderful analysis is that we've talked a lot about how this is kind of Austin's more religious book.

[SPEAKER_01]: and we haven't really gotten into discussions of God.

[SPEAKER_01]: We've been talking a lot more about morality in the church.

[SPEAKER_01]: This passage feels like a little bit like it's touching on the divine and why truly is holy in the world.

[SPEAKER_01]: through what Fanny appreciates.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I think it's worth thinking about why nature is where she brings that in, because again, we haven't gotten scripture or actual discussions of God and Christianity.

[SPEAKER_01]: We've gotten discussions of the church, but we're touching that vein a little bit of what is a life worth living, what is worth caring about in the world, and what is not.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: And when Fanny is talking about nature, we're getting a touch of what she actually has faith in versus the rules that she's following.

[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, it feels authentic to her, but it's like it's almost a sermon in itself.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: And she didn't learn that from Edmund.

[SPEAKER_01]: She didn't.

[SPEAKER_01]: And she says she did, but she didn't.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it is inherently in her and she's but she's the one who's appreciating it in the moment and he's focused on being horny on Maine.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm going to go to another question from Angelica.

[SPEAKER_01]: Fanny's first ball is pretty unromantic.

[SPEAKER_01]: We hear she dances with Edmund, but the focus is all on her moral fretting over Henry Crawford.

[SPEAKER_01]: And we also witness Tom's social awkwardness.

[SPEAKER_01]: Why do you think Austin highlights these moments instead of showing us Fanny's dance with Edmund?

[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's because Edmund is not gonna be Fanny's end game.

[SPEAKER_02]: If he was, we would have gotten that dance.

[SPEAKER_01]: I am neither gonna confirm nor deny, because I do not think I can answer this question without spoiling things.

[SPEAKER_01]: Great, Emily asks, Ryan Julia's similar feelings toward Mr.

Crawford are discussed in this chapter when he leaves.

[SPEAKER_01]: What do you think of the relationship between the sisters?

[SPEAKER_01]: As there are no signs of them confiding in each other at all, as we would expect from siblings in previous books.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's a good point.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like the sisters don't talk.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, it depends how broadly you define sisters because like obviously Elinore is not confiding in Marianne in sense and sensibility.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm telling you snaps.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, well, I guess.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that is more that it comes to the four when Edward's engagement becomes public.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then in the movie version, she does snap on Maine, but she does cry her eyes out in the in the books to Edward when he reveals he's not in fact married.

[SPEAKER_01]: But like Lydia and Lizzie don't confide in each other obviously, but Lizzie and Jane do.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_02]: I see what you, because Lydia and Lizzie were interested in the same man for a minute, got it.

[SPEAKER_01]: It was more that being sisters is not the fact of confiding and not best friends and being best friends.

[SPEAKER_01]: And we've seen lots of sibling relationships, but I think it is notable that the Bertrams do not feel affectionate towards each other at all.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's almost like they didn't have the best upbringing.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's almost like the decadence and vanity and high-class luxury they indulge in deprive them of non-material things that are more valuable.

[SPEAKER_01]: Something like that.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, from Liz, in chapter 11, Edmund describes his father's return from Indigua as, it will indeed after such an absence and absence not only long but including so many dangers.

[SPEAKER_01]: What are the dangers he refers to?

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we've talked about the fact that the Bertram's whole wealth is built on blood money from the slave trade and well, not from the slave trade, from particularly the fact that Sir Thomas has a plantation in Indigua, [SPEAKER_01]: that is using intensive slave labor, which is [SPEAKER_01]: Dicey.

[SPEAKER_01]: No, it's, it's the, I mean, it's the basis of a lot of the book.

[SPEAKER_01]: So the dangers that Edmunds referring to, obliquely, uprising could be also riding on a boat, always comes with its dangers, but yes, primarily more likely he's talking about actually dealing with, yeah, I think [SPEAKER_01]: And I think most likely because there's much talk of turmoil at a state in Antigua, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: Why do they have to go there?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, what was the business that he needed to sort out there?

[SPEAKER_01]: Not clear, at this time.

[SPEAKER_02]: And this question also asks, are they farmers or slave traders?

[SPEAKER_02]: And I think the answer is both.

[SPEAKER_01]: Right?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I think owning a plantation in Antigua in this time period is a British man means both.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you could have a farm in England, and many people do.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, have you heard of Robert Martin?

[SPEAKER_02]: Sweet baby Jesus.

[SPEAKER_02]: Not what?

[SPEAKER_01]: Sweet baby boy got Jesus on the mind.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh god.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, of course you do.

[SPEAKER_01]: We're reading man's field part exactly But yes, that is dark.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think it is we haven't brought up the Source the dark feted source of their wealth in a while Mm-hmm.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad it's coming up again in this episode because I think it is just important to always remind ourselves And I think Jane Austen does this on purpose dropping hints here what this is state is built on [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that it's almost like a poison seed from which a tree grows.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: And then the tree gets rotten leaves, which are mariah, Julia, or apples.

[SPEAKER_02]: Thatples, you're right.

[SPEAKER_01]: Not even to the core.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.

[SPEAKER_01]: Last question.

[SPEAKER_01]: Janay asks, given how much they disagree on some important issues, what does Edmund see in Miss Crawford?

[SPEAKER_01]: Booty.

[SPEAKER_01]: Booty.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, also just like she's kind of like a temptation.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think that he kind of likes that she's improper to like he's constantly making excuses for her, but I think he might secretly find it exciting a little horny on Maine.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: All right, patrons.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

[SPEAKER_01]: So we're going to go to Becca's study questions.

[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, what do you anticipate about her Thomas's return?

[SPEAKER_01]: Will he return?

[SPEAKER_02]: I hope not.

[SPEAKER_02]: I just think it would be exciting if he dive at the, but.

[SPEAKER_02]: When he returns, which I'm sure he will, we've got some big events that are going to take place.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know why Mary thinks that Edmund will take orders on his return.

[SPEAKER_01]: The idea being that if he's sorted out the Antigua estate, then Edmund's good to go.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I see.

[SPEAKER_02]: I see because the money they'll have money now.

[SPEAKER_02]: But it definitely means a marriage between Rushworth and Mariah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Sure does.

[SPEAKER_02]: So that will throw a wrench into this whole Henry Crawford situation.

[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm excited for that marriage.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm excited for what it means for Henry Crawford.

[SPEAKER_02]: And Julia, I don't think that he is going to get with Julia.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think that that is just a fun little side thing that he's got going on.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm kind of curious if like he and Mariah are going to like run off together or something.

[SPEAKER_01]: We learn a lot more about big tea in these chapters.

[SPEAKER_01]: How does he carry the Bertram family and what differentiates him from his siblings?

[SPEAKER_01]: What doesn't?

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, he's very different from [SPEAKER_02]: He's similar.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think to Mariah and Mariah mostly because he seems to have kind of a disregard for his duties.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I think Mariah also shares that.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's right.

[SPEAKER_01]: I do think he is a little dumber than his siblings.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's why he has to go off and party.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah, I think I think if I were going to diagnose big tea's party without giving anything away about the story, he's feeling both the pressure of being the master of the estate and the plantation in Antiqua, but also at the same time feeling an utter disregard for how that might mean he has responsibilities for like [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and the combining like abdication of his own responsibility with what he knows that maybe his siblings don't, with also just Pothi went to Antigua.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's been ten to Antigua.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that in a generous reading, one might think that that would affect his feeling of responsibility about these stages about to inherit, I also think that one could read it as like a complete disregard for his siblings and just desire to live up as decadently as possible.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because there's a very real possibility in my mind, at least, that his father's not coming back from a table.

[SPEAKER_01]: He also squandered Edmund's living.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like he has fucked over his siblings in a big way, and he could continue to fuck them over if he inherits the estate and gambles all of their money away.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_02]: So it really all rides on him getting his shit together.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he has to get his shit together.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: All right, final question.

[SPEAKER_01]: We're on the Mariah, what the fuck are you doing, Dracker?

[SPEAKER_01]: And I think this really does connect to one question from Angelica and one question from Lenea about Henry Crawford and Mariah.

[SPEAKER_01]: How will this fudge?

[SPEAKER_02]: How will this fudge?

[SPEAKER_01]: They both like each other and but what have we learned about Henry's motives with it.

[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't care.

[SPEAKER_02]: He wants to bang and he doesn't want to stick around after naughty boy.

[SPEAKER_02]: He is naughty.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm worried that she's going to throw away her marriage on a man who does not want to marry her, but who likes her?

[SPEAKER_02]: He likes her.

[SPEAKER_02]: They'll have a good time.

[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe they'll run off to Scotland or whatever, and then he's going to leave her there.

[SPEAKER_02]: Just like a wake him.

[SPEAKER_02]: But he's so hot so much hot energy, sorry.

[SPEAKER_02]: He's got hot energy.

[SPEAKER_02]: He's not hot energy.

[SPEAKER_02]: He's not hot.

[SPEAKER_02]: He is hot.

[SPEAKER_02]: He's got hot energy.

[SPEAKER_02]: He's also hot.

[SPEAKER_02]: We can we can call him out.

[SPEAKER_02]: He is hot.

[SPEAKER_02]: He's just working.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, he is hot.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm worried about it.

[SPEAKER_02]: You're right.

[SPEAKER_02]: He.

[SPEAKER_02]: is fucking with her.

[SPEAKER_02]: And he's fucking with Julia.

[SPEAKER_02]: And he's doing it in front of each other.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like they both know that he's fucking with both of them.

[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm worried he's going to really screw over girl Mariah who kind of deserves it because she's engaged.

[SPEAKER_01]: Very engaged.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Funny is quote.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh gosh.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think I'll give it to the line that had me the most like what [SPEAKER_02]: So, Fanny says, if Ms.

Bertram were not engaged, I could sometimes almost think that he admired her more than Julia.

[SPEAKER_02]: And Edmund says, which is perhaps more favor of his liking Julia, best than you, Fanny, maybe aware.

[SPEAKER_02]: Before I believe it often happens that a man before he is quite made up his own mind, will distinguish the sister or intimate friend of the woman he is a really thinking of, more than the woman herself.

[SPEAKER_02]: Boy, get it together.

[SPEAKER_01]: Talk to a woman for one single woman, Edvin Bertram, questions moving forward.

[SPEAKER_02]: Who is the mystery man who helped put together the ball?

[SPEAKER_02]: As always, Will Mr.

Sir Thomas come back and yeah, who's the mystery man and Will Sir Thomas come back?

[SPEAKER_02]: Good questions.

[SPEAKER_01]: Who wins the chapters?

[SPEAKER_02]: I want to give it to Fanny for that line that paragraph about nature, I think Fanny deserves this also the only one noticing what's happening between Mariah and Henry.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the only one with her freaking eyes open.

[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, Fanny, you win this one, honey.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we love you.

[SPEAKER_01]: You deserved it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: And we're giving you your praise.

[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.

[SPEAKER_01]: The praise that you're more used to deserving than getting.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: All right, listeners, that concludes this episode of Pot and Prejudice for next time.

[SPEAKER_01]: We will be covering chapters 13 and 14 of this book.

[SPEAKER_01]: Molly, are you ready for it?

[SPEAKER_01]: So, ready.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, until next time, stay proper.

[SPEAKER_01]: And go outside and look at the stars.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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