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First, Lady, on Out the mud Man.

You said, who's who's embodied.

I'm talking about a career of grit, a career of confidence, built it from the ground up.

So when we say she's coming on and being a very special guest, she definitely represents Out the mud as being the first lady on out the mud, Alicia Bombgard and let's give it up.

Let's yes, yes, thank you for having me.

It's so now, it's been a lot of conflicting reports.

Right now, I want to know, born in Ohio and Detroit was was that the upbringing?

Right?

Yeah?

So I'm born and raised in Ohio and then transitioning to Detroit when I started getting too my pro career started, like transitioning from amateur to to pro.

Yeah, that's dope.

So Detroit pretty much carved and sharpened you into some of that toughness I'm assuming you know.

Honestly, it came from Ohio, being from a small country town and it just is being small and having people who are small minded.

You.

You had to be a dreamer to be in a city like Fremont.

You know Charles Woodson's from Fremont, Les Yeah, so you know, coming from that small town, you have to have the mentality to dream big.

And that's what I wanted and I didn't let that limitation hold me down.

So I'm like, you know what I'm going to go.

I needed if I got to go to Toledo stopping.

I stopped in Toledo on my way and then went to Detroit just to build that experience.

Experiences everything in life.

And when you say this age and you're making those movements, how old are you just knowing like, Okay, this is something that I want to do at your early age.

Yeah, I mean I committed my life to boxing.

I started at eight years old.

As I got older, tried the college thing wasn't for me.

At seventeen, I made a full commitment to to box and make it my only plan A.

And you know, from being eighteen to twenty, you know, I started driving back and forth to Toledo every day, and then started driving from Fremont to Detroit every day just because I wanted it that bad and I know that the experience that I was going to gain from it was going to be the best thing for me.

How long was the drive from free Month to Detroit?

That was a good hour forty five?

Say fuck you push every day in the bonnavielle.

Viel, Yes, right, yeah damn?

But like what pushed you?

Because like you know, coming up, you know what I mean, Like we all from the mid West shot you know, the Midwestern the house Indiana got shot town, Ohio, missed yourself, But like who pushed you like towards Bostom because I know you was an athlete.

So yeah, you know my dad.

You know, my dad is the one who instilled in me what work ethic looked like.

He said, listen, if you want it, you can have it, but you gotta work for it.

And it's not gonna be handed to you either.

But the harder that you work for, the bigger the reward.

And I never really understood that as a child.

So I think my dad for making me do boxing at one point because they've seen something that I didn't, And as I got older became more wise, I'm like, man, thank you Dad, because now that push I can do it without him being here.

It's interesting your ethnicity, I'm intrigued.

Is it Korean, Japanese and African.

American, German, Korean and Black?

I love it.

I love it.

I love it.

Now.

What I want to know is growing up and you're beautiful, You're very beautiful now and you so well put like you know, you got a good etiquette.

So I just want to know where you like a rough girl growing up around the edge of you knocking kids out when that's what I want to know.

I want to know what was it like, come on, you come off as like else, So I want to know how was that growing up as a kid.

Yeah, yeah, you know, I had a lot of boy cousins, so I was always with the boys.

I was always, you know, doing and bad stuff.

You know.

It was.

It wasn't even like a gender thing.

It was just she's just bad, That's what they were saying.

But you know, they said I was like a bully on the playground with the boys, and if I could remember, I probably was slightly.

But for the most part, you know, my my cousins is what kept me on age and I love that.

What what what other sports like?

I know, because you know, coming about there min West athletes, So I know you you hoop?

What do you know you ran track?

Yes, Russell, Yeah, I wrestled to my.

Big ass wrestleds eighth grade.

Man, don't tom slamming sh out of motherfuckers?

Do?

I wrestled to my time except but you did?

Yeah?

No, I wrestled.

Wrestling was my first sport that was introduced to me and my cousins did it.

And my Dad's like, you want to you want to wrestle?

I said, bet?

So I was five years old, wrestling and I'm wrestling boys, you know what I'm saying, because in wrestling, you wrestle boys.

So wrestling was the foundation, that's what said the confidence as a young girl.

No gender, nothing in sight, just work ethic, like you go out there, you do what you do, and you come back.

And so wrestling was that sport for me that I transitioned into boxing at eight years old.

I ran track in high school, softball, gymnastics.

Any any sport.

We was just doing it.

You know, basketball though, that's one sport I didn't play because track season kind of interfere with that.

But I always box though.

My dad said you want to do cheerleyd and you got a box my dang all right.

So boxing was just always there.

So yeah, that's.

Interesting growing up.

And you speak a little bit about your mom.

I know you spoke Holly your dad.

Can you speak a little bit about your mom.

Yeah, you know, my mom she was my biggest supporter.

You know, my mom was the woman of the house, you know, as the man of the house.

She was a woman making sure that we was at our sports, picking us up, making sure food is on the table, and just really positioning herself to be that support system when I did come home after practice, and you know, my family, they're they're a big part of my fan my fan base.

They're the ones that always come out and make sure that they're supporting me.

And they've just seen the struggle from the beginning and where I'm at now in my career, and it's just it's a blessing to have them.

Man.

So because you got a sixteen one in one.

Yeah, look, can't even keep track no more.

That's that's that's a great man.

That's great, you know what I mean, Like like for athletes, like for us, like you know, we play a season, so eighty eighty two, we play eighty two.

So it's you know the record, y'all.

Game each fights like a you know, it messed her up to like a playoff game, Like you know what I'm saying, it's a round up to it, you know what I mean.

So like you know, I got to take my hat off.

To you that I appreciate you.

That's the business for sure.

It's a roller coaster, right And the best thing about it is when you can make it a lifestyle.

That's that's where you can separate yourself from the rest of them.

You know what I'm saying.

So boxing is all year round for me, and prior to becoming world champion, it was always the the need to stay in the gym, stay ready so you don't have to get ready.

They say that right now, it's so true.

And I knew every day that I showed up to the gym, if that was driving to the gym two hours, driving back every day, every day, I said, one day this is gonna pay off.

It has to pay off because I'm putting the work in.

They call me, we got a world title shot for you bet, I'm in the gym.

So it worked.

It worked out for me.

It's hard.

It's hard.

So I just want to know, like the adjustment and turning pro, you know, I just want to know what was some of the you know, core values that you had to hold on to in turning pro and because with us, when going pro, it's like you got to get approves for so many people.

At the time, it was Taylor Bill, it was you know what I'm saying, whatever top ten rankings that they got out there, we'd look up Bobs, We look up a lot of these things, like Okay, now it's time for us to go pro.

What shaped you in your mind and say, hey, it's time to me I'm ready?

Was it the silver at the was it the silver?

I think it's just what that damn.

I'm just.

You know, what it is is his own world right, and you could do whatever you want.

You can turn pro.

In Mexico, I think you're like fifteen.

I think Canela turned pro at fifteen.

It's just so different.

But in the States, you know, it's a little different, regulated and regulating it.

But I would say I had my last amateur experience, last fight, and I remember at the time I was asked like, do you want to go pro?

I'm like, I don't know, because I wanted to do the Olympics.

I'm like, that's what I really want to do.

Where they're like, yeah, but you got to wait four years, this, that and the other.

You know, you can turn pro, you know, start winning some money, you have more.

I have more of a pro style.

Anyways, I said, whatever, let's let's go pro.

Right, turn pro.

And just the idea of not having a had gear, having eight ounce gloves, like y'all eight ounce gloves are so small.

I went from I think sixteen ounces fighting I think that's the amateurs or maybe fourteens to eight ounce gloves with no haggear, you know, and people think turning pro is the easiest thing.

It was the hardest thing.

You got to have money, you got to have a promoter, you got to have a manager.

I didn't have none of that.

They're down to the world because I think that's the business part that a lot of people that ain't even ready to going.

So it's the same with us as at the least in the league, and we don't understand the business part literally till our six seven year the league almost our next come after the rookie.

So break that part down and knowing give them try to pursue somebody.

Like yeah, it's it's important that when you start in a career like boxing, it's it's a doggy dog world.

You gotta do for you.

You got to be your promoter, you gotta be your fan, you gotta be your coach, you gotta be your team.

You know what I'm saying.

And building a team is so important and where I'm at right now in my career, I've been able to build a solid team.

But at the beginning it was hard because you know, who's gonna stay with you through the rough times, Who's gonna stay with you through times when you're.

Not making no money.

I mean, I remember taking a fight and I didn't get paid, but I wanted the experience and I wanted to just be out there, and so it was so important that I had those people in my corner and shout out Eddie, who's seen the vision before I did, like, we're gonna we're gonna turn you pro this is what we're gonna do.

And I didn't take no as an answer.

I don't care.

I didn't take no for an answer.

I said, I'm gonna get this.

I'm gonna do this.

I'm gonna become undisputed pound for pound, and baby, we did that.

I mean, it's so much deeper.

There's so much detail, but just all on having that team behind you, people who support you through the thick and thin, no money and money.

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Like I want to know like when you was coming up, like who was like the who you looked up to?

It in the Boston career, Like for me, like I know Layla Lee, she was, you know, one of the you know, one of my favorites, so like allegends, Like I want to know for you, like who you look up to?

You know, I get that question a lot and I have to think really good on that one.

But honestly, it was just the mentality that I had as a young girl.

I didn't have.

Anybody I was looking up to.

I just knew I wanted to be great at something, and I say, you know what, I just want to be great and if I can do the work, something's going to come from it.

Not even knowing because I didn't even really grow up so much watching boxing and obviously I knew of Lailah.

Shout out to Laila like she was a pioneer of the sport and just showcase so much of what you can do outside of who you are and what people associate yourself with That's one thing.

And just having your own identity, you know.

And I think as I was growing and learning and just gaining this wisdom, I'm like, I want to be something one day.

And it wasn't so much who I was looking up to.

It's who I wanted to be, who I wanted to become.

That's it.

That's the best.

That's hard.

Where do you get the name the Bomb from the Bomb?

Though?

The Bomb?

I'm sitting.

Listen.

It was Destin van Listen.

So my last name is bumb Gardener.

It is a German last name, and it's funny.

I always have a story I tell people when I was on when I was with my first amateur coach, I told him, I said, you know, when I turned pro, I think my my ring name should be the Bomb.

I'm on a plane saying this, I said, yeah, the Bomb.

Like he's just like, this is not the right time to say this name.

But hey, it actually works though, right, But no, it's just associates with my my last name.

And honestly, when I'm in that ring, all I can associate with is throwing some bomb.

I'm about to drop this bomb on your ass.

Sure, and I saw your your like and if we if people follow you, they know when you come out, you swag it death.

I want to know, has there always been a thing?

And like style?

Are you in the fashion or like?

Just give us what leads up to that.

Yeah, you know, I love fashion.

I love just being in my element.

I understand that this is entertainment.

And when you think about a ring walk and you think about this is an opportunity to take hold of the energy, baby, take a hold of that.

And I just remember every time, man, I'm here, I done training so hard.

I'm just soaking it all in and I just let it be.

It's always off the dome, like I'm just dancing.

I'm just feeling myself.

I'm like, because now I'm about to be in a war, So let me let me go ahead and show out for the one time and and then do my thing.

And I gotta get solutes to the sport that you play, simply because that's the only sport that it ain't no help.

It ain't no help help.

So I gotta give your flowers, man, just to prepare and get ready for those matches and things of that nature.

And you know, even just to come out with style, and now it's with the brand.

Everybody gotta you know, you got to get the consumers feed into who you are, and I think you're doing a great job of that the way you come out style.

And I won't know who he was listening to right now.

Listen, I'm I'm I love music.

Music will put you into space, different spaces.

My music playlist is all over the places.

I love my Detroit music.

I love my Tea Grizzly.

I love my Tea Grizzly.

You know I love I love them a little old school Teddy putty, grab a little right there, you know, so some calm, cool collective music.

I love a great Drake song I think is always a great go to.

Maybe a little Anita Baker in there.

It's just it's a mix because boxing, like the way my mind is and how I work in the gym.

I might want to be up and knocking if you buck, and then I might just want to.

Have some slow ship.

For sure.

I'm not thinking too much.

I'm just listening to the melody because boxing is rhythm, you know what I'm saying.

And if you have rhythm, you can dance for sure.

Some of them, but you know that's what it is in the ring.

So I want to ask you, so, what's your walk out song?

So your walk out song, I know you coming out some nook if you buck or something.

Right, you get some crunk ship.

Right such as moll.

You gotta yourself up for sure for this ring bok.

You know, I got, I got, I got some opportunities.

So we're gonna see definitely something highest, something that is going to set the stage and then be on that stage to do what I do best.

Sure you know that.

I wanted to ask you to.

I want to ask you about the state of women's boxing, Like for me, I see it.

I think it's getting better.

I think, you know, for women it's more exposed.

You're you know, you got clarisial shields out there, you got other great box yourself another great box.

I think y'all get y'all just do I mean, but you how you feel about that?

The state of boxing for women?

Yeah, the state of boxing is is always inclining, it's always on the it's always on the up and up.

And I think it's important for people to know boxing is individual.

How you perform, how you present yourself, how you want to be seen.

As that's up to you, you know, and so it's important that you know you want it to be a whole.

But it's also so individual because I can't say that person is like me because I'm not like them.

And so you just.

Got to be your own entity when it comes to the space that you're in because everybody competing against everybody, if we being honest, like you know what I'm saying.

Everybody thinks they're the best.

That's what they do.

Beef when you see them talking exactly, fight for that person.

Speaking of that note, like, look in twenty eighteen, right won the ship boom.

That was big.

That was big, but later that you took the air boom.

It's come with the game.

We get them mad all the time.

Fortunately for us we get another day to bounce back and it swore to boxing.

You have to recover and get your name back out there.

Can you tell us how you kept your resilience and was able to shine what seven eight years after that with straight wins?

What kept you motivating and what kept you not from going to the.

Point of saying, man, I'm done with this shit.

Yeah, speak on both sides of that.

What motivated me was understanding where I was in that space and why I lost in the first place, that's number one.

And the answer to that was my environment.

Who was around me, who was my circle.

That's so important because that can disrupt what's going on in your real life that transition into your boxing life.

So the reason for that loss was the atmosphere, the people I was around that allowed me to be distracted.

So I said, bet, I took the loss.

I'm like, Okay, what's next.

Well, I'm gonna keep going because there's no give up in me at all.

I'm like, I've been doing this shit for too long to give up.

To call it quiz because I lost, Nah, and she really didn't even beat me, and that's in my mind.

So you know what, I went back to the drawing board.

I made a lot of changes.

I got rid of the distractions that were holding me back, and it took me three plus years to get back in position to be where I wanted to be.

And people have to understand that patience is the real thing you have to learn, because God's gonna sit you down and if you think you was ready for something, you weren't.

And I'm thankful for the time that I was able to see and recognize and gain the wisdom from because who's to say I would have won and now I'm furthering my career and I wasn't able to learn these other lessons over here.

So it was just an opportunity to go back to the drawing board, change some things and be back where I needed to be.

And I got that look.

Back, sure that after mug the mugli.

But like you said, like what you just said is like who's around you?

And you know, go look back at that loss.

It's like that SAME's apply in sports and life, like even with basketball, who around us and who can get rest?

The players going out at night and who around you?

So like that place, that's like what you said is real because you got to keep you a good positive court.

People gotta have a good support sism, support system, you know what I mean.

Mother fucks can't be bringing you out and drinking that damn cosamigos all night and a distraction.

Yeah, it's just a distraction.

And that's and that's the thing about me.

I always in my career out like growing up, I looked that up.

Yo, If you ain't trying to go to the gym with me to night you Bro, Let's go to the lounge.

Bro, Let's go get a couple of all right, it's trying to go this way.

You back right before you even you need to go back to You gotta go back Chicago with me like smoke Southwest to You don't know.

Oka on scoop back.

Really though, you you gotta know the people who are gonna ride with you and when ship getting you know, real deep, you may need that support.

Hey, you know what, I need you to come run this three miles with me.

I'm tired.

I need a push.

Can you do it?

That's what I'm looking at.

I'm seeing if you down for the costs, not always down for the ride when it's time to ride.

You know what I'm saying.

Take us through a quick U tutorial on what it's like training and getting ready for a fight.

Yes, a lot of people want to know, like because over the years we now heard it's hard being a box a boxing you can't do nothing.

Listen, you can't do nothing.

Boxing is the most disciplined sport.

There is nothing period a drinking, ain't no kig.

None.

I take my hat off to you because boxing is one of the most disciline sports.

You got to be disciplined just to be a champion, to.

Be yeah, to be discipline.

You know, the life of discipline is one of big reward.

Okay, because I know what I want and I know what I can have.

That's one.

But two, it's understanding how great you want to be.

I don't want to be mediocre.

I don't want to just be good.

I want people talking about who Alicia Bumgarden is in in outside the ring because of the discipline and the work at that she had when it came to making the decision to go out or go to the gym or you know, hang out with that person or not hang out with that person.

The dis one is what got me here.

And every day right now I'm in camp.

We got four weeks.

Every day I'm training Monday through Saturday, two to three times a day for one night.

Now, what is that?

Is that strength and condition because I see I watched twenty four seven, I grew up watch twenty four second?

Is that consistence of conditioning strengthening?

Like I want to want you to break that part down really.

Like get a yes.

So this morning, for example, I went, I got up a thirty went to my strength and conditioning workout, came home, ate some breakfast, relaxed, went to the boxing gen that's my main workout.

So we're doing either floor work, we're strategizing.

We're either sparring.

Shit.

I just did twelve rounds one day, so tomorrow I'll spar.

Oh yeah, let me tell y'all.

So I'm making history November fourteenth and Miami and women fight ten rounds, two minutes.

That's rule right in this case, I gave up my WBC world title to fight three minutes twelve rounds, just like what the men do.

So I'm getting an extra minute to showcase how bad.

Ass I am to show come fight night.

And this was an opportunity that was given to me.

That I thought about.

I like the challenge.

I like to know that I can do anything my male counterparts can do.

You know what I'm saying.

It's never like a oh I'm better than them.

It's like, let me showcase what I can do.

And so yeah, so come fight night, I'm fighting three minutes just like the men.

It's a twelve round fight and we're gonna get it on a popping show.

So now it will this be the first women's fight like that for three minutes.

No, so there's another fighter who's also done the same thing, just in my particular case.

This is on Netflix for sure, I haven't done it before, and I'm excited show.

I'm excited big fight coming up.

No, that's a huge fight, man.

I always want to know, man, because, like I said, I grew up on twenty four seven.

I'm pretty sure everybody's training the same.

But for you to take it to another level, that shows me that you ready to put some new spotlight on women box.

Okay, I love it.

Yeah, And just going back to your your question, you know, I'll do my main training and then later on that day I might go running or swimming active recovery.

So it's good to just keep keep your body in motion and also recover.

I know as athletes, I know I struggle with recovery, but it's just as good as as you know, working out cold.

To contrast, I think I'm familiar with it a little bit, but it's another level of what y'all doing, man, I'm talking about That's that's strenuous, man.

Six months of discipline for one fight.

It's like almost you Dan, they gotta be perfect and you got to talk to us about film film scouting.

Yeah, well in this particular case, her name is Leila.

She's from Canada, and I handpicked this one.

You know, they gave me a few other girls.

I said, no, I want her because she was talking shit.

She asked for.

It, so I want that come come this way.

So this one we I like her.

Though she's undefeated, she's hungry.

She's also wanted intercontinental titles.

So she ain't no pushover.

So she definitely come to fighting.

She definitely thinks she can beat me, and I love that.

I love that she thinks that because I know I'm.

Gonna be her.

Going what's the I want to know what's like the wildest atmosphere you been in, like in a boxing.

Match, Like I would say, just recently, three years ago today, I became the Unified world champion.

I was in London, England fighting Mikayla Mayer quote unquote.

Everybody says she was gonna beat me.

She was the one.

She was that girl picked her and win.

Huh, they picked her to win.

I was an underdog.

I was an underdog even becoming after becoming a world champion, this time I was becoming unified, so I was gaining two more titles before Undisputed right.

And so we were in London.

It's at the O two Arena, fifty thousand plus people.

We sold that crowd out.

It was all.

Women's card and that was just an awesome pivotal point in my career because I was I was then underdog.

She was supposed to win, and I beat her and I became unified, and it was just amazing that the crowd and just the boxing over there in the UK, they love boxing, they love it.

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What you what you think about the international boxing I think I think like it's like you said, it's it's they got some good boxes.

You know, they have amazing boxers, And I think boxing is just a community of fighters who are just looking for an opportunity to just showcase who they are, or even if that's an outlet.

You know a lot of people do a lot of people fight for a lot of different reasons and I'm just happy that I can have boxing be a way of an outlet for me to regulate my emotions and get me through tough times because there ain't nothing like punching on something.

I be feeling like that too.

I want to take my ship out getting the box right.

I mean, somebody.

The Tear Harbor knockout twenty one, is that the most exciting knockout in your career?

Absolutely?

That was knockout of the year.

I got and like I said, they didn't know me.

That's when I got that phone call like, yeah, we got opportunity for you.

I said that I want it and we flew over to London as the underdog.

They don't even know who I am, and I love that because I know who I was.

I'm like, I was never the fighter where people were seeing me on TV and things like that.

I was.

I was going undercover.

It was under you know what I'm saying, in the shadows.

Trust me.

That's why we out the Yeah, yeah, we love that.

The other dog is us man.

Underdog right all our life.

Man, that was the best one of my whole career because it was a it was a moment of just believing itself and knowing that this is this is what you asked for and I'm giving it to you.

What you're gonna do with it?

That was ugly.

Make sure y'all run the Yeah.

You see that that's big though, man, and there's an athlete.

Man, I just want to talk.

I just want to obviously you in the fashion you're on the ground, we see you, you styling.

I'm pretty sure the DM popping.

And do you think you intimidate guys?

That's because you know that's that's trying to shoot.

They shot, you know, I mean that is that a hard thing?

Or do you peep the busters.

From the never want to get into d You want to know how?

Yeah?

Yeah, dating, controlling dating and pursuing the create the same.

Yeah, you know.

I honestly, I think it's always about balance.

But too, I think I am very intimidating to a lot of folks.

And I think that's a great thing because the ones who gonna shoot, they shot might just might just.

Get a reply.

They just might get a reply.

But you have to know on the other end, as a man, can I even handle a woman like this?

Tell you know?

I know sometimes that the eyes say yes, but baby that mine may say I don't know.

She just you know, keep it real.

I mean, I don't claim domestic violence, no way.

I need someone to be just a strong minded that I need someone who has discipline just like me.

I think it's important that you can't let nobody run over you.

You have to be confident, you don't have to be controlling.

There's a difference now to be confident and not be controlling.

And again, honestly, I'm I'm so focused on my career.

I tell people I'm married to the game, you know, as a woman, a single woman doing what she loves the biggest stage.

You know, I'm I'm securing me and that's a great feeling, and also just growing and learning and healing till it's time to even step into the other space because I know when I do that, I give my all and everything I do.

So if that's boxing, if that's dating, I want to make sure that it's the right time and the right people.

What made you sound with Valuable Promotions?

Most Valuable Promotions, you know, they have always had their eye on me, and at the time I was with a different promoter.

But one thing about MVP is that they put fighter first, and I love that.

I know oftentimes fighters athletes are being taken advantage of.

And one thing that MVP, and just knowing Jake Paul, he takes advantage of what he can do for that individual right there.

He knew that taking on a man of Serrano who's a world champion as well, and giving her her biggest payday on the biggest stage over a million dollar persones nothing but crediting because she wasn't getting that attention, she wasn't getting that respect.

And sometimes it takes our male counterparts to put us in a position to execute what he's been able to do for her and what he's doing for me.

Now.

You know, this is my second time fighting on Netflix, and that's huge within itself to see boxing on a different stage and being able to be an equal.

You know, I'm not just a fighter under a roster.

I'm an equal to a Jake Paul.

I'm an equal to an m v P.

They listen to my concerns, they listen to what I want to do and how I want to do it, and so it's a working relationship, and that's important that you're not just a fighter not knowing what you what you're doing.

So shout out to Jake Paul man so for so mm hmm, what helped you?

You know gain the edge earlier in that fight.

I took her, I took her mind.

I took her so actually before I even fought her.

Yeah, listen and did because she just had this high horse of her that she just thought she was.

Gonna beat me.

I'm like, you don't know where I come from.

You don't know the type of but I had to dig out of you.

You don't know if it was muddy, you don't know if it was dry.

I came through it, and she was the perfect fight to really solidify why I became world champion in the first place.

Dig that, man, It be that type of energy leading up to those fights.

It takes one thing to get you just yeah, we're gonna take it to that level.

All the way to the maxim Self belief ism is a real thing.

If you don't believe in yourself, baby, you don't believe another for any a little small doubt that you allowed to creep in, It's gonna eat It's gonna eat you unless you're strong enough to be like I don't believe that.

It's a constant battle every day.

You don't believe in yourself, you believe that you're better than that person.

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We got that catch on her a sap and get down there.

Show to miamis nothing like I ain't gonna always been hard for us to play down there.

Man's too much going on from jumping listen the boogie the Wookies coach be knowing about the first half to this boy boy went out.

Fighter to becoming the playoff there.

I know.

It's like, I mean, you have a.

Team people getting punched on for one night.

You better you better be on your ship because if not, you're gonna be embarrassed in front of the whole world.

They're gonna eat you up.

You know on the internet.

Don't play ruthless.

Ruthless how you feel about fighters that don't take the fights that the people want to see?

Like, you know how it's always like it's like a demand of people who want to see it.

Yeah, but then the fighter pick another fighter that they know they gonna get the win on is that.

Going on a lot in boxing?

And how do you feel about it?

You know, honestly, it's this is the truth behind it.

It's never as easy as you think it is to make a fight because you have different promoters, you have different managers, you have networks.

You know what I'm saying, this network, this promoter might have to go work with that promoter and they might not get along, but they have to get along because they got to, you know, make this co promotion fight happen.

And it's a businessman.

Listen, at the end of the day, it's a business and how you represent yourself as a fighter and the representation that you have to promote you as the fighter.

They better be doing a good job matching you.

They better be doing a good job putting you in great fights, tough fights too, to execute the type of skills that you have.

But listen, one day you're gonna have to be tested so you can fight all these low class fighters.

But one day you're gonna have that test, and it's gonna that's going to determine if you actually about what you talk about, you know what I'm saying.

So so Lisa Alicia my bad pison.

I don't want no snow right, pronounce it right, the bomb taking short.

But I just want to know.

Just talk to us about you know, the false test.

Yeah, you know, and.

Us it's at the least, you know, don't nobody want that stigma on their name because we actually trained hard, we respect the game, We got integrity for the game.

So talk to us about when that happened with you, what was going through your mind and how did you overcome that?

Yeah, I mean that was the time in my life I was like, Lord, what the hell is going on?

And I think it's important to know and give backstory on how I already look.

I have a natural build.

This is the body the Lord that had already given me since birth.

I had just recently posted a picture of me as a little girl with muscles, right, and so already having that stigma and already knowing in my mind like I didn't think women should have muscles.

I didn't think girls had muscles.

So I was really insecure about that.

And I had to learn to love my body as I got older and all those things.

So in the back of my mind, I'm just like man, people already think I like do PDS and I lift weights.

I don't.

I don't do none of that.

I'm just a natural built athlete.

That's who I am.

And so when this whole situation came out about me testing positive, I was just I was in disbelieve.

I'm like, I cannot believe this happened.

And boxing again, it's just there's no, there's no it's not a league.

You know, there's no you know, people actually watching and doing things.

It's just fucking wow of us and boxing, you know what I'm saying.

But I always took integrity as an athlete to have clean sport, and I've asked for for drug testing for every fight that I've been in.

And in this particular case, I asked for drug testing for this fight and three of the tests, one of them came back positive.

So I'm like, how the fuck does that happen?

And so I had to spend my own money.

I probably spent at least one hundred and twenty just clearing my name, getting getting tests done, getting a hair test done, getting professionals and analysts and sciences and lawyers and all these involved, because you got to clear your own name up the league.

There's no league like I said, you got to do this for yourself.

It's individuals sotructured up.

Nope, there ain't none of that.

It's a wild out West and so like there's no The only thing that's kind of like keeping boxing having structure is the sanctioning body.

The time.

You know, I'm still undisputed.

So I'm going to the sanctioning bodies and I'm telling them, you know, on my side of the story.

Hey, this is what this is what has happened.

This is the studies and the money and everything that I've done to clear my name.

I need you to look at this.

I need you to look at these pages of reports that I've done to clear my name, to give me to let this world know like, hey, she is a clean fighter.

We do support our fighter.

And that's exactly what the WBC did.

They cleared my name and said we we don't to clear there was any you know, intentional doping.

And it still pisses me off to this day, because man, people will still.

Try to discredit you.

You know what I'm saying.

They see a strong, confident black woman, they want to discredit me.

Off rip anyways, and you.

Look like that, and you look good and you can talk and you can fight.

Oh my gosh, we gotta do something with this one.

You know what I'm saying.

We gotta we gotta drag her name through the mud a little bit.

That's cool.

I persevere through it all and still kept my belts.

That's what people got to remember.

I still kept my belts because I put the time, the money, and in the faith or knowing that I was always a clean athlete from the get go.

So you know, you could say what you want to say and steal.

Did out until what about the I's know, is that what happened in twenty twenty five?

Like what was the reason like for the vacated when you did the title?

You vacated the title?

Yeah, so just currently, as I mentioned before, the WBC does not allow women to fight three minutes.

They go, they say that women shouldn't fight three minutes, and so I had to give my title up.

Oh so yeah, oh to fight this fight November fourteenth, to fight three minutes.

So how do you so after you win in a month, how do you get it back?

Or you gotta fight for it back?

Oh shit, that's gonna be an easy call.

Then, yeah, I mean, you you can fight for.

It again and or whatever.

But you know, like I said, I'm in a different stage in my career.

I want to say I want the big fights.

I want to solidify who I am as a fighter, and the belts don't make me.

I make the belt, you know what I'm saying.

So I love it.

That's that talk to us about how that Netflix deal came about and how was you you know when you heard that I'm about to be on TV.

Yeah, you know, just going from the zone you know, which just like the mainstream to watch boxing on to Netflix.

That's changing the script of boxing.

And that's why I love MVP because I'm myself.

I'm writing my own script.

I am the narrative of my own story.

And so shout out to MVP for, you know, making that connection with Netflix and then believing in the sport of boxing and putting that on a stage and a platform like that.

So being in New York Madison Square Garden it's all women's car co main event.

I talked about fighting there years ago and making it happen and seeing it sold out.

And women doing that.

Man, that was game changing.

These young girls got something to look up to, and that's dope.

And speaking of that, what advice would you give to the young women that's looking up to you and want to get in this space, what would you tell them?

Yeah, to any young girl who's who's looking to be something one day, one, you gotta believe in yourself that you can do it.

That that's the first part, and that takes time.

You need it.

You need it.

You need that circle around.

You need people who are going to believe in you when you don't even believe you're believe in yourself at a given point.

I will also note having God in your life.

That's number one in my life.

I got to pray your life, I got to talk to somebody, and the Lord has directed my steps and have orchestrated everything possible that you that I can't even.

Put my mind on because he's the way maker right.

And journaling.

I've been journaling since I was eight years old, writing down my thoughts and just just seeing how far I've came in my career and the things that you have to perro perseview through.

The struggle is necessary for life.

Ain't shit gonna be easy.

It's just part of life.

But if you can take it on and you say you know what it's going to teach me something.

Lord, just give me the strength to get through and learn through it.

You know you're gonna appreciate it more.

Your roots through Ohio and Detroit, right like, what life left, what life lessons you learned throughout the way to become champion today.

Yeah, being from a small country town and going to a big city like Detroit, it had allowed me to expand my horizon on life, on where I wanted to be.

And I've been able to move in multiple places.

After Detroit, I moved to Vegas, I stayed there for a year, moved to now Dallas.

So it's just allowed me to know that you have seasons in certain places, and if you want to continue to grow as an individual, as an athlete, you sometimes have to leave that nest to go elsewhere and start over.

It's okay to start over.

It's okay to be in a.

New place to grow because that growth you only get that by doing it.

And I've been able to just keep flourishing, man, because I keep I want to keep watering the things and the seeds that I planted along the way, and the seeds that other people plan for.

You believe it or not.

Straight out leaving the legacy pretty much.

I like that.

What's next for what's next?

Right now?

Bomb?

Motherfucker bomb.

What's next for me is honestly right now, we have this fight in front of me, eleven fourteenth in Miami, Florida.

This is another testament on who I say, I am, what I can do, and I know know what I possess.

I know the gifts and talents that I have.

I know that I am the best fighter there is.

To see a woman like me in that ring, you you won't think that was in there.

I'm gonna be like the bag of skills that I have.

I'm not bringing no book bag.

I'm bringing a duffle bag because maybe that that bag I got skills and people haven't seen that yet.

And what I possess and what I can do, You're gonna see it come fight night.

We're going to be tuned in.

We ain't in it, we ain't in the stands.

We're gonna be tuned in for sure.

Let's go, who is your favorite box of growing up here?

Mike Tyson, so easy.

Car, that's.

I think everyone can relate to a mic when he has that just aggressiveness about him.

And but people also know that aggressives came from the trauma that he's had growing up and you have to be able to work through that.

And that's that's the beautiful part about it.

And he used boxing as the outlet.

You ever met Mike Tyson, I haven't okay, but I will for show.

You're gonna show, You're gonna be Mike.

One person that you want to see in the ring again that you've seen.

Before, just relay.

Mikaela Mayer.

Oh, one person that you wanted to shiver decided like here, like just love the.

Sport, like to fight them, you know, to share it, to be in the same ring.

It would be Leila Ali.

She's a's the goat.

She's the one to pioneer a dream.

Destination for you to fight overseas.

Put you want to fight overseas, We're gonna be fighting in Africa sooner than later.

That's hard rumb on the Jungle Baby.

It did talk about your off off the outside of the ring.

How's that obviously fashion all that, So they talked about how's that expanded opportunity boxing brands.

Yeah, I think it's important that you know there's a beauty and there's a beast.

And outside of the ring, I'm always working on my business.

I'm always working on my brand in terms of who I am outside the ring, doing interviews, being able to be in the community, giving back.

I think it's important that you're not just a one way person.

People look at character.

They see how you are when when you're outside the ring, and how you how what your posture look like, you know, and so I think it's just important that I continue just to keep building who I am as a woman and as an athlete.

I got one more because it's I think there's been a recent change in.

Pro boxsters.

Potentially cars, absolutely not.

I'm not big into the Olympics, but shout out to them for still bringing it back, because at one point they weren't gonna have boxing be in the Olympics, which I.

Think is trash.

But now it's still here.

It's here to stay, I hope.

So well.

We appreciate you.

It's been a treat.

The first woman on out the mud Man.

Come on man, how you come back?

Man?

One of the best to do with Alicia Bumgardner.

Thank you for giving us your time today Out the mud Man.

Good luck coming up for the fight.

We appreciate it.

All men to cut you off because you're getting the grand clothes crying.

We want to give you a nice little gift from out the Mud.

Yes, being the first lady appreciate that.

Well, we gotta.

We got out the Mud search for you, so you know we appreciate you.

Thank you.

Let me.

I got to ask you guys a question.

What out the Mud has allowed you to be where you are today?

For me out the Mud, you know, because we we've been playing sports all our life and been in cameras and games, so it's just getting into another different light.

Like when I'm you know, when I'm out, people like, hey man, we watch out the Mud and like, I don't be expecting that, you know what I mean.

And to see how many people that come up to me and say, you know they watched the show.

They like what we're doing.

You're representing for us.

You know, we're rough around the edges, so we're not the proto type.

You know, we've been through things.

We've been knocked down several times like a boxer.

You know, we've been knocked down.

We get back up and keep fighting, keep swinging.

So we're not the proto type of you know, you see, so just just doing different things that you know, like people wouldn't think we're in and people fucking with us and tapping in.

Uh.

For me, I have to say, yeah, we've been grand and we've been doing our thing.

It's been a roller coaster, you know, our career.

But I think now we changed the narrative you know, and switching from a players to journalists.

Now I'm enjoying that.

But I just gotta say, man, at the moment, Uh, it's been our whole career.

It's been being an underdog being you know.

Uh, like I say, I haven't been all star, having been a none of the top of the top, you're but all the top of the top know me and they respect me, and so that's what I was always fighting for and us I was always trying to make my name for you know.

When your peers said it's official and we were respected, we got the after mug going.

Like I say, man out the mud is away of life.

Show that after mud Man, thank you for coming in checking us out for this episode with at least man appreciate you.

Thank you, yeah dead Yeah, we appreciate

Yeah.