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[SPEAKER_00]: Hellooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo [SPEAKER_00]: We all have friends that we still speak to against our better judgment that are a little questionable.

[SPEAKER_00]: Characters that make it difficult to desert, or they bring a little pizzazz into our lives, something to talk about, have a laugh about the absurdity of their behavior with and as a result, the absurdity of life in general.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's nice, sometimes, to spend time with someone who simply doesn't give a care.

[SPEAKER_00]: Though things inevitably get a little rocky with these types, and you have to go, that is, if they'll let you.

[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to Dark Topic, I'm your host, Jack Luna.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is a true crime happening.

[SPEAKER_00]: Gary on the rocks.

[SPEAKER_00]: Gary Charles Evans was born October 7th, 1954 in the capital district that surrounds Albany New York and seems how that description of his birthplace makes him seem like some sort of nobility.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'll share now that he was a short king from the start.

[SPEAKER_00]: Gary had an older half sister, Robbie from his mother's first marriage.

[SPEAKER_00]: Robbie's father had left the picture to join the carnival.

[SPEAKER_00]: If he had stuck around, then certainly Gary would have been born a completely different person.

[SPEAKER_00]: Perhaps even a taller one, with fewer anger issues.

[SPEAKER_00]: Gary's own father, Roy Evans, ruled the house with a fistful of beer bottle.

[SPEAKER_00]: The Evans family lived on the ground floor of a three-story red brick apartment building which had one of those monument-like concrete stairways leading to the front door from the sidewalk.

[SPEAKER_00]: Gary was close to his sister Robbie and they stayed close through childhood into adulthood.

[SPEAKER_00]: Sister Robbie would later recall getting out of the house often with her little brother [SPEAKER_00]: We would just sit on the front porch and eat fungicles and drink RC Cola.

[SPEAKER_00]: We play games in the alleyway.

[SPEAKER_00]: Some of that craziness was typical of a drunken household, but the behavior of their mother at times went beyond the pale.

[SPEAKER_00]: pale.

[SPEAKER_00]: Gary's mother, Flora May, became suicidal after her husband got into a drunk and car accident while not wearing his seat belt.

[SPEAKER_00]: Roy flew through the windshield and woke up in hospital.

[SPEAKER_00]: He was able to stumble away with his life, though that life is going to be a little more difficult going forward.

[SPEAKER_00]: still into the drink, Roy was now into having seizures, as well.

[SPEAKER_00]: Or at least it seemed he was into them because those could have been avoided those seizures, had he been able to avoid mixing alcohol with his post-accident Med Regime.

[SPEAKER_00]: With Gary's father now barely able to hold up his head, let alone, hold down a job, mom had a lot of pressure on her.

[SPEAKER_00]: This led to her own drinking, and eventually the attempted suicide.

[SPEAKER_00]: One of these attempts she was in her bedroom, supposedly cleaning a hunting rifle, Gary was riding his tricycle in the hallway.

[SPEAKER_00]: He was three, and I'm not sure which came first, Gary falling off his bike and crying after he heard a gunshot, or his mother Florida may be getting distracted by his cries just as she went to shoot herself and missing her mark.

[SPEAKER_00]: Robbie Rantwer and founder lying on her bed was blood sprayed all over the room.

[SPEAKER_00]: His mother Flora May had put the gun to her chest but misfired and nearly blew her shoulder off.

[SPEAKER_00]: In the end, the incident was ruled an accident.

[SPEAKER_00]: Another incident had Flora Mae standing on the roof of a three-story building threatening to jump.

[SPEAKER_00]: She also stood on railroad tracks, waiting for a train to hit her, but then stepped out before.

[SPEAKER_00]: The train could actually do that.

[SPEAKER_00]: She had permanent scars on her wrists from trying to kill herself so many times.

[SPEAKER_00]: Floor MA and her husband Roy, Eris father, struggled to keep food on the table and the alcohol flowing at the same time.

[SPEAKER_00]: With Roy at a work, though collecting disability after the accident, most things fell on Floor MA, including him when he'd have one of his seizures.

[SPEAKER_00]: She worked odd jobs to try to make ends meet and life soon manifested in anger, resentment, and violence.

[SPEAKER_00]: Gary would later claim that he utterly despised his mother and father.

[SPEAKER_00]: And spoke of a childhood prevalent with violence and abuse of all kinds.

[SPEAKER_00]: My father did things to me that I wouldn't wish on anyone.

[SPEAKER_00]: He also told friends that his mother had abused him sexually for years, along with his father.

[SPEAKER_00]: A babysitter of Gary and his sister would later recall young Gary Evans as being a quiet child.

[SPEAKER_00]: This wasn't for lack of having anything to say, he wasn't intelligent kid, and that may be why he was so quiet.

[SPEAKER_00]: Gary was processing his predicament, careful not to share too much of himself, or fear of being taken advantage of.

[SPEAKER_00]: He was small, picked on that school, and at home, and now decades later on this podcast, like, you know, me, I'd say it to his face, you know, we'd be good, we'd be good, we'd be me and Gary, we'd be happy with it, we'd be joking around power around a bit, I think.

[SPEAKER_00]: until they started killing all the people, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: This babysitter lived next door to the Evans family.

[SPEAKER_00]: She would often chat with a little boy from the alley, separating their homes.

[SPEAKER_00]: Gary was always in his room overlooking this alleyway.

[SPEAKER_00]: He was in there from his behavior just for any indiscretion.

[SPEAKER_00]: He was claiming later that he was in there because he'd been abused and his father wanted to shut him down for a while to cool off after the abuse.

[SPEAKER_00]: So that maybe he wanted to go running and tell somebody about it, he hated eating liver, which was often served at the dinner table of the Evans since it was cheaper than other cuts.

[SPEAKER_00]: When he refused to eat liver, his father would shove it down his throat.

[SPEAKER_00]: He'd also beat him with a leather strap, and then throw him into his room with no dinner.

[SPEAKER_00]: This babysitter recalled feeding Gary cereal and chocolate chip cookies through his window from the alleyway at times, a sweet, yet sad story.

[SPEAKER_00]: The whole childhood of Gary Charles Evans is like this, he rarely was allowed to watch TV with the family, he was almost always in his room, so he would lie in his floor and try to watch from under the door while everyone else sat and enjoyed it.

[SPEAKER_00]: He could find it in a friend when he was young that his mother would take him to the doctor's [SPEAKER_00]: Here is mother having sex with the doctor, they say the apple doesn't fall far from the tree at the age of eight, Gary had sex with his doctor, no, I'm sorry, that's not funny at all.

[SPEAKER_00]: Gary brought home a thousand-dollar ring he had stolen while he was set with his mother, she was using him to steal stuff for her knowing that he couldn't get much trouble if he were caught at the age of eight.

[SPEAKER_00]: Flora May was also a thief and she had taught him.

[SPEAKER_00]: This would become an addiction of Gary's stealing.

[SPEAKER_00]: As his career as a thief began, he developed a kind of Robin Hood style, stealing from people he thought deserved it, like local drug dealers or other criminal types.

[SPEAKER_00]: He never really considered himself a bad guy.

[SPEAKER_00]: As Gary got older, he wasn't the little boy that his father could manhandle and his arms and legs ballooned, he didn't have to really work at it, he just got big and buffed naturally, not surprisingly Gary was a bully, throwing rocks at the neighborhood kids or just beating them up.

[SPEAKER_00]: A true sign on the serial killer Evans would later become.

[SPEAKER_00]: He was mean to small animals and like to light fires.

[SPEAKER_00]: He would target cats.

[SPEAKER_00]: He tied one by its tail to something and lit it on fire.

[SPEAKER_00]: A real piece of shit.

[SPEAKER_00]: When he reached an age where he could finally be at on his own, he lived in abandoned buildings and slept in abandoned cars and trucks.

[SPEAKER_00]: Eating what food he could scrounge or steal.

[SPEAKER_00]: Gary was a loner, traveled by himself and worked by himself, as he felt people pissed him off and let him down mostly.

[SPEAKER_00]: Living in the streets for much of the summer of 1970, he became involved in petty larceny and even spent 90 days in the county jail after being caught breaking into a house.

[SPEAKER_00]: The sheriff that arrested him, trying to help Gary.

[SPEAKER_00]: Got him a job digging graves in a local cemetery after he got out of jail.

[SPEAKER_00]: He lasted only a few days doing this job but did steal [SPEAKER_00]: Evans was learning that just about anything could be solved, including his solve.

[SPEAKER_00]: By the mid-1970s Gary had connected with two old neighborhood guys, and I'm going to call them friends, but just guys from the old neighborhood.

[SPEAKER_00]: Tim Rise of Dorf and Michael Falco, he ended up sharing an apartment on Adam Street in Troy, New York State, just a few blocks from Gary's childhood home.

[SPEAKER_00]: Tim Rise of Dorf was described as a good kid growing up until he fell in with the wrong group of friends.

[SPEAKER_00]: Michael Falco had a reputation as a troublemaker who was always in the wrong place at the wrong time apparently.

[SPEAKER_00]: His troubles with the law didn't start until he met Gary, same with Tim.

[SPEAKER_00]: Gary was four years older than Michael, and they didn't hang around together much as kids, but they didn't know each other, probably through Tim.

[SPEAKER_00]: Gary now in his 20s, at only five foot six, became a rather large muscular man, and began lifting weights obsessively.

[SPEAKER_00]: He had a wrestlers built, and many would compliment him on this build.

[SPEAKER_00]: They weren't focused so much on his shortness, you know, it's five six.

[SPEAKER_00]: They would focus more on his muscles, and he liked that.

[SPEAKER_00]: He had to keep up that build in order to keep up the complements and keep up the fear of other people of him.

[SPEAKER_00]: Who would not make fun of him for being short as he had been all through his childhood?

[SPEAKER_00]: He grew a long-wirey beard, he wore a bandanas, he had large, elice-like sunglasses and had hair-danned with shoulders.

[SPEAKER_00]: No longer interested in small-time thefts, he spent his time studying antiques, reading books, browsing antiques stores, pricing items, and learning about expensive artwork and rare prints.

[SPEAKER_00]: He was all about the big ticket items, thinking if he was going to get caught, it was going to be well worth his effort.

[SPEAKER_00]: Gary was pulling off burglaries and robberies with Michael and Tim, while in what he would later call a learning curve he burglarized a home in Lake Placid, New York, got caught and was sentenced to four years in the state prison, getting his first taste of hard time in Clinton Correctional Facility, and Dan Amara, New York.

[SPEAKER_00]: This would be the first of almost two dozen serious arrests and several prison bits, and you hear that train of calling.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's rolling around the bend.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I ain't seen my baby since I, I don't know when, man, I'm stuckin' down a moron New York state, and I'm like five foot six.

[SPEAKER_00]: If I give this due to blowjob, he might give me, uh, twix.

[SPEAKER_00]: All right, man, you're near near, near, near, near, near.

[SPEAKER_00]: Being locked up in prison, scared Gary Evans and the main focus of his fear came from doing time with whom he referred to as, those people.

[SPEAKER_00]: That is any non-white, non-straight inmate, which that's beyond us doesn't hard to bump into while in prison.

[SPEAKER_00]: Gary Evans harbored such a hatred for African-Americans that he couldn't even look at a black person without saying something hurtful and claiming, quote, they're wasting my oxygen.

[SPEAKER_00]: No doubt the seat of hatred had been planted by his father, who was a mid-ed racist.

[SPEAKER_00]: Six months into his sentence, his father, at age 55, lost his battle with throat cancer and died.

[SPEAKER_00]: Probably from talk it's so much shit, am I right?

[SPEAKER_00]: Midway through his sentence, he was transferred to Great Metal Correctional Facility.

[SPEAKER_00]: Great Metal was a facility that helped inmates get an education and deal with their social and mental problems.

[SPEAKER_00]: Being transferred to Great Meadow meant Gary was on his way to freedom.

[SPEAKER_00]: On March 31st of 1980, he was back in the streets after having served two years of his four-year sentence, and he wasted no time getting back to his old habits.

[SPEAKER_00]: Bergulary was all he knew.

[SPEAKER_00]: He went back to living with a Michael Linn, Tim.

[SPEAKER_00]: Gary and Michael Falco would commit robberies and use the apartment they lived into store their stolen property.

[SPEAKER_00]: Timothy was new to this line of work and focused more in his music.

[SPEAKER_00]: He had never planned it in the crimes and just went along for the ride with Falco and Evans.

[SPEAKER_00]: At times, he just wanted to make a little extra cash.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's one of those guys who tags along.

[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe he does the driving.

[SPEAKER_00]: Gary and Falco were in a routine stealing and fencing stolen property daily.

[SPEAKER_00]: When they weren't stealing, [SPEAKER_00]: In the spring of 1980, Gary Evans was caught with a few hundred dollars of stolen property from an antique store.

[SPEAKER_00]: He was on parole, so he was sent back to prison to a way to court hearing to decide where he would serve the remainder of his previous sentence, and any additional time for this most recent possession charge the way it would work is that if you get caught while you [SPEAKER_00]: Old Ren's solar county gel was where he was being held, and it was like living in a dormitory, which Gary Evans could handle, and within Daisy made friends with several members of the Hell's Angels.

[SPEAKER_00]: He looked like a biker already and it was easy enough for him to get involved.

[SPEAKER_00]: He was also super racist, not that they all are, but, you know, it helps.

[SPEAKER_00]: I know that Hell's Angels are great guys that hand out toys to kids at Christmas and, you know, turkeys Thanksgiving, but for the most part, Hell's Angels are not Angels.

[SPEAKER_00]: June 12th, 1980.

[SPEAKER_00]: Gary came up with the idea of getting together in enough Hell's Angels who were large men to poised him up over a fence in the courtyard where the guards weren't watching, waiting for the right moment.

[SPEAKER_00]: At 10.30 a.m., a couple of angels started fighting at the north side of the yard, while two others swinging Gary back and forth by his hands and feet a few times, heaved him over the fence like he was a sack of potatoes.

[SPEAKER_00]: And just like that, Gary Evans was on the other side of the fence, a free man.

[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't until roll call later that morning that he was discovered missing.

[SPEAKER_00]: Law enforcement started searching the area, and about five hours later he was spotted in the Troy Public Library where police responded and soon chased him out of third story window and head on to a stone ledge of the old structure.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not coming down, he yelled.

[SPEAKER_00]: After an hour-long stand-off, authorities were able to wrestle him through the window and back to the county jail where he was put in solitary confinement.

[SPEAKER_00]: On September 11 of 1980, Gary Evans' parole was revoked and he was sentenced to another two to four years at Clinton Correctional for second-degree possession of stolen goods and first-degree escape.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is when he began writing to his sister Robby, who was now living in Florida.

[SPEAKER_00]: At first he wrote to complain about not being able to practice martial arts.

[SPEAKER_00]: Hiya, no stretching or kicking was allowed in prison, and he also talked about revenge against people who helped put him away.

[SPEAKER_00]: He never spoke about having any responsibility for his crimes.

[SPEAKER_00]: It was somebody else's fault, and enemy number one was now Michael Falco, whom he suspected of being a rat.

[SPEAKER_00]: March 19th of 1982, Evans was up for parole again.

[SPEAKER_00]: The board denied him due to this being his second incarceration while in parole, and suggested he see a counselor to deal with his in a social behavior.

[SPEAKER_00]: September 12th of 1992, the DOC, knowing Evans was due for parole in a few months, transferred him to Atticus State Prison.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is one of New York's most feared prisons where the worst of the worst are locked up.

[SPEAKER_00]: Serial murders, rapists, child killers, mobsters, deviant sexual predators, and just basically high profile criminals were housed there.

[SPEAKER_00]: The thinking was a few months there for Gary Evans before he was eventually released, would hopefully teach him a lesson.

[SPEAKER_00]: His letters to his sister Robby continued to talk about revenge when he got out and that he has a shit list in one letter he wrote whoo-wout.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think I can manage them all, but the important ones will definitely see my smile and face some dark night, and there's going to be some screaming, begging, crying, snake bastards when that time comes, I feel like making headlines as a vampire murderer.

[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like filling up a private graveyard, just six and a half months to go, and quote, [SPEAKER_00]: I have thought more after just leaving the assholes I don't like alone.

[SPEAKER_00]: Not all of them, but most of them.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'll just leave them to their shitty lives.

[SPEAKER_00]: I have to have a couple of them, though.

[SPEAKER_00]: That quote.

[SPEAKER_00]: Back on the streets on December 29, 1982, Evans began looking up old friends, specifically Michael Falco, within weeks of hooking back up.

[SPEAKER_00]: They pulled a few small jobs together and then parted ways.

[SPEAKER_00]: Gary Evans went to Florida to his sister's home.

[SPEAKER_00]: They received word that their mother, who had been happy in a lesbian relationship, the Gary hated and thought was super gay.

[SPEAKER_00]: They, they, they fuck.

[SPEAKER_00]: They heard that she had passed away.

[SPEAKER_00]: The way that she had passed away, I'm glad I got the laughing in the way here, because there's no laughing matter.

[SPEAKER_00]: His mother had been leaving a bar when she slipped on ice, getting into her car.

[SPEAKER_00]: She was knocked unconscious after hitting her head and ended up freezing the death of the parking lot.

[SPEAKER_00]: And when it comes to drunks, that's known as dying of natural causes.

[SPEAKER_00]: And that's a joke.

[SPEAKER_00]: Gary Evans might have appreciated.

[SPEAKER_00]: He never drank or smoked and had a healthy hatred for those who lived that lifestyle.

[SPEAKER_00]: Did I mention he was a vegetarian?

[SPEAKER_00]: Having liver shoved down your throat as a boy will do that.

[SPEAKER_00]: Evans was glad his folks were both dead.

[SPEAKER_00]: Mum had been a massive dad and messed him up.

[SPEAKER_00]: Shoving more than liver down his throat dad had if he believed Gary Evans.

[SPEAKER_00]: And this could be where he got both his racism and homophobia.

[SPEAKER_00]: And Dan kind of makes you think, okay, it really does matter how you raise your kids on a serious note and really does.

[SPEAKER_00]: In the spring of 1983, Gary Evans went back to Living Troy, New York State and started thinking about what his future would look like.

[SPEAKER_00]: He didn't want a real job and knew he could make quick money, regularizing homes, businesses and take shops and jewelry stores.

[SPEAKER_00]: Once he had enough money, he would go see the world, which meant going in a near estate, you know, maybe back to Florida, could hit California at some point.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's not allowed out of the country, but to many people who live in certain countries, they think the whole world revolves around that country, so he's not entirely wrong.

[SPEAKER_00]: First, he had some loose ends to clear up.

[SPEAKER_00]: Gary Evans had found out that a few Hell's Angels had beat up a judge's son real bad.

[SPEAKER_00]: The D.A.

[SPEAKER_00]: encouraged him to testify before a grand jury to help put them away.

[SPEAKER_00]: Gary Evans never did anything without there being something in it for him.

[SPEAKER_00]: The D.A.

[SPEAKER_00]: promised to drop some charges he was facing and exchange for his testimony.

[SPEAKER_00]: We're in the streets traveled fast and he developed a reputation for being an informant.

[SPEAKER_00]: The very thing he accused his partners of doing, he was now doing himself.

[SPEAKER_00]: Gary Evans went back to living with the man he hated in Michael Falco and the man he was suspicious of in Tim Rise of Dorf, but this run with him when it last long.

[SPEAKER_00]: In April he got picked up for burglarizing a home.

[SPEAKER_00]: The DA paid him a visit to fish for any new outlaw biker's centric information.

[SPEAKER_00]: It seemed that Gary Evans was developing a death wish as he took the bait eagerly, claiming he didn't care if he was found out.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's possible he had begun despising himself for becoming an informant.

[SPEAKER_00]: On September 16, 1984, Evans was released early on Good Behavior, or as he no doubt [SPEAKER_00]: He was a free man and no longer a parole, though on his record there were two felony charge convictions, and a third would brand him as a persistent felon, which would force him to face 25 years to life, or death.

[SPEAKER_00]: Now he was a known informant on the house angels.

[SPEAKER_00]: They threw him over the fence and he threw them under the bus.

[SPEAKER_00]: His beard was down to his nipples, hot.

[SPEAKER_00]: The bandana was super tight to cover his balding, and he was juiced to the gills, a muscle hamster, as they say.

[SPEAKER_00]: Nobody wanted to mess with this newest version of Gary Evans.

[SPEAKER_00]: He was bad to the bone, and had taken on a new motto, no partners.

[SPEAKER_00]: New York State's town of Brunswick, population 12,000 became his new target town.

[SPEAKER_00]: As most residents didn't have alarms in their homes, making break in and entering easy.

[SPEAKER_00]: In Brunswick, he could do small-time jobs that eventually would finance the bigger jobs he dreamt about.

[SPEAKER_00]: Evans would scour parking lots of five-star restaurants, jewelry stores and antique shops, looking for luxury cars.

[SPEAKER_00]: When he found one of interest he would see if they had their garage door opener clip to the visor, then he break into the car, steal the garage door opener, and check the global compartment for their registration to get an address.

[SPEAKER_00]: Then he would drive his vehicle to that home and burglarize it, opening the garage to access the house with the garage door opener.

[SPEAKER_00]: He knew the occupants were out shopping or eating.

[SPEAKER_00]: It was a slick scheme.

[SPEAKER_00]: The only kind that Evan seemed to come up with and probably had something to do with his difficult childhood paired with an often impressive intellect.

[SPEAKER_00]: On that note, I should share that on many of his arrests, it was documented that Gary Evans had in his possession [SPEAKER_00]: Later, when I asked why he carried handcuff keys, Evan said, quote, I was handcuffed long before I was ever arrested.

[SPEAKER_00]: Then, quote, and as I brutally alluded to earlier, Gary Evans was abused brutally growing up and claimed that his father would handcuff him in the basement and savourishly molest him.

[SPEAKER_00]: He spent a lot of time enslaved, hidden away as a boy, prison stints for triggering, and he was hell bent on staying at a prison.

[SPEAKER_00]: Sticking to his no-partner's motto became difficult when Evans began living with his childhood friend's Michael Falco and Tim Riseador for again, and in February 1985 a friend of Evans told him about a flea market in East Green, Bush, New York where there would be a lot of gold and valuables.

[SPEAKER_00]: Evans asked Damian Cuomo, a known thief, and someone he had just met.

[SPEAKER_00]: If the flea market would be worth the effort.

[SPEAKER_00]: Cuomo said it would be, as it was set back for the road, and no one would be around at night, and that the dealers there, they left their merchandise in the building overnight on the weekend.

[SPEAKER_00]: Evans went to Michael Falco and asked him if he wanted to help him with this job.

[SPEAKER_00]: Falco was likely eager to please Evans as he knew of his burly, mentally unstable buddy suspicion on him being a rat.

[SPEAKER_00]: After casing the flea market, Evans and Falco realized they could get in and out quickly, taking plenty of gold with him likely.

[SPEAKER_00]: On February the 16th of 1985 at about 11 p.m., he and Falco loaded Falco's Plymouth satellite with a rope ladder, burglary tools, and two empty duffle bags then headed for the East Green Bush Plaza flea market.

[SPEAKER_00]: They pulled around back and parked.

[SPEAKER_00]: Evans noticed a portable toilet that they used to get on the roof.

[SPEAKER_00]: And after finding a hatch door, they got into the flea market.

[SPEAKER_00]: They hung the rope ladder as they made their way in.

[SPEAKER_00]: Staring at $30,000 worth of merchandise, they filled two duffel bags and left the same way they came in.

[SPEAKER_00]: They drove slowly up from behind the building and saw a cop making his rounds.

[SPEAKER_00]: The cop hit his lights and stopped them asking what they were up to.

[SPEAKER_00]: They explained they had stopped to take a piss.

[SPEAKER_00]: They had hid their stash in the side panels with a back seat of the car so nothing was in sight.

[SPEAKER_00]: And the cop taken the word for it, let them go, but took down their names and addresses before allowing this.

[SPEAKER_00]: The next morning, the owner of the flea market call police, after noticing they have been broken into, all investigators had were two sets of footprints leading to a set of tire tracks out back.

[SPEAKER_00]: A few days later, the officer that had stopped them, notified State Police and a tell-the-type went out to the Bureau, looking to question Evans and Falco.

[SPEAKER_00]: A bit of week later, Timothy told Evans that while he had been in jail, Michael Falco had ripped him off by taking some of their jewelry, they had hit it out of the floorboards in their apartment.

[SPEAKER_00]: In reality, it's believed that Timothy Ryzen Dorf had taken the jewelry himself and realizing that Evans was very dangerous at this point wanted to make sure he kept the wrath of Evans away from him.

[SPEAKER_00]: The next time, Gary Evans saw Michael Falco, he could front him about it, offering him a chance to confess, which turned into an argument, the situation.

[SPEAKER_00]: They had been loading clothes into Tim Rizador's car, and as Michael Falco lead, into put a box into the trunk, Gary Evans placed the barrel of a 22-calibre pistol to the back of his head and shot him dead.

[SPEAKER_00]: He then pushed his body into the trunk, and ran to get Rizador.

[SPEAKER_00]: Come with me, man, I need your help.

[SPEAKER_00]: He said to Tim, as he grabbed a sleeping bag, they went to the car and avid's up in the trunk.

[SPEAKER_00]: What the fuck, Tim yelled, looking away.

[SPEAKER_00]: You shut your mouth or you fucking next.

[SPEAKER_00]: Evans would later emit as soon as Tim told him that Thouckel was stealing from him, he started planning Thouckel's death.

[SPEAKER_00]: It was never a spur of the moment, crime, and he knew he was going to use Tim Rising or his car to dispose of the body, to implicate him.

[SPEAKER_00]: With Thouckel's body wrapped in a sleeping bag in the trunk, Evans took off for Lakeworth Florida, where his sister Robbie lived.

[SPEAKER_00]: and i feel like a rat telling this story i feel like i'm talking about my uncle or something and i'm just letting you guys all know you know what i heard around the dinner table this is a little bit of a different dark topic that's a guy been looking at for a long time Gary Charles Evans uh [SPEAKER_00]: super interesting thief turn murderer not your typical serial killer have a cover climbing in through windows raping women as I so enjoy normally and I'm joking by the way to all the people fucking leaving comments saying I'm a psychopath can take a joke for Christ's sex trying to lighten the mood here joking about women getting raped and come on and what else finds that funny when I do that [SPEAKER_00]: So on the way to Florida with a dead body in the trunk, Evans would end up stopping in near the woods and camp about 200 yards away from the highway and deep brush.

[SPEAKER_00]: If by chance cops searched his vehicle while he was sleeping, he would trace it back to Tim, Ryzen Dorf, it was all part of the plan and he could take off into the woods.

[SPEAKER_00]: He buried Falco's body in a swamp only miles from his sister Robby's house.

[SPEAKER_00]: Thinking he should lay low for a while, he went to visit his sister, nephew, and her new husband, staying for about six weeks before heading back to New York.

[SPEAKER_00]: Sometime later, Evans, he ran into a woman that he, Ryzen Dorf, and Falco knew, and as they were talking, he noticed she was wearing one of the missing pieces of the jewelry that apparently Falco had stolen.

[SPEAKER_00]: He complimented her on the piece of jewelry, helping for more information, and he got it when she looked down at it and said, yeah, it's beautiful.

[SPEAKER_00]: Tim gave it to me.

[SPEAKER_00]: Now remember, Tim Ryzenorf is the one who told Evans that Falko have been stealing jewelry.

[SPEAKER_00]: And he says to himself, Motherfucker, told myself, no partners, no partners, Gary Evans was now going to be sure of.

[SPEAKER_00]: On April 21, 1985, Gary Evans hatched his latest plan.

[SPEAKER_00]: He managed to convince a local drug dealer that he had stolen some marijuana from another dealer and wanted to get rid of it.

[SPEAKER_00]: This dealer offered him 12 grand for it, and they planned to meet up in a downtown parking lot.

[SPEAKER_00]: The dealer showed Evans the money.

[SPEAKER_00]: Evans took it and told that dealer and his friend there, we had to do this fast.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's in my trunk.

[SPEAKER_00]: When the two men got out and walked over to Evans sob, he took off in a nearby alleyway.

[SPEAKER_00]: The two dealers chased Evans, even firing several shots at him as he ran away.

[SPEAKER_00]: If anyone knew the neighborhood, alleyways and hiding places, it was Gary Evans.

[SPEAKER_00]: He ran through gangways and backyards, ending back at the parking lot, and he managed to lose both drug dealers in this circular escape.

[SPEAKER_00]: He stood looking at their brand new car, he was thinking, again, it was sobbing.

[SPEAKER_00]: He was like, oh, shit, they're brand new cars here, and it's running still.

[SPEAKER_00]: So he hopped into it and took off in it.

[SPEAKER_00]: The dealers walked to the police department and told them they picked up Evans hitchhiking and that he had hijacked them at gunpoint, pulling into town, Gary Evans ran a red light.

[SPEAKER_00]: A police officer saw him and tried to pull him over, thinking he was being chased for the robbery, Gary Panicked and tried to have run them.

[SPEAKER_00]: As he sped through town, he started throwing his fake ID, his gun, and anything else that [SPEAKER_00]: After being cornered, he stopped and gave himself up.

[SPEAKER_00]: Police retraced the route and found the gun and his fake ID, while in custody awaiting a raiment on several charges, his name turned up as wanted in questioning for the burglary in East Green Bush, the flea market job.

[SPEAKER_00]: This would result in the first written confession Gary Evans ever gave to the police.

[SPEAKER_00]: He described in detail how the job was planned, who was involved, and how it had been carried out.

[SPEAKER_00]: Speaking as though he relished betraying his colleague, Michael Falco, whom he hadn't heard from in months.

[SPEAKER_00]: A key character and one whom Evans grew to trust somewhat, Detective Horton, asked Evans about his missing friend.

[SPEAKER_00]: What?

[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's in California using the name Ian Patrick Fibes.

[SPEAKER_00]: Gary Evans was then waiting for trial and he was facing several charges.

[SPEAKER_00]: And he believed that by cooperating with the state police, some of them, those charges would be dropped, sparing him from a potential third strike, a 25-to-life sentence.

[SPEAKER_00]: By July, Evans was sentenced to another two to four years because of his rat job here.

[SPEAKER_00]: And he, by the summer of 1985, was talking to Detective Horton further and helped him track down Falco's common law wife Tory Ellis, the mother of Falco's kids.

[SPEAKER_00]: She was on the impression that Falko had taken off to California after hearing from several people who had heard from Gary Evans that this is what had happened to him.

[SPEAKER_00]: She had an upturning over several pieces of jewelry from the Greenbush flea market job that Falko had given her.

[SPEAKER_00]: By late August, Evans was on his way to service time at Sing Sing Correctional Facility, a notorious New York prison despite his attempts to pin much of his crime [SPEAKER_00]: Movies have been shot there at saying, saying, books written about it, and some of the notable prisoners of the time were locked up there in the New York area.

[SPEAKER_00]: To Evans, this was a feather to add to his criminal hat, and he felt he would earn some respect having spent time there, so he was kind of looking forward to it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Another feather would be his friendship with David Berkowitz, the son of Sam, the most famous, most infamous person he had met while in [SPEAKER_00]: At first, he would stay clear of Berkowitz, but eventually they would lift weights together.

[SPEAKER_00]: Despite his crimes, Evans described him, David Berkowitz as a likable guy, really.

[SPEAKER_00]: And if you don't know who David Berkowitz is, he's the son of Sam Killer, just firing on people in their vehicles.

[SPEAKER_00]: it's you know who this guy is.

[SPEAKER_00]: He these days you could see interviews with him.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's a born again Christian and Adam and something in his eyes that makes me feel that he's still a little devilish but [SPEAKER_00]: Gary felt important this man, David Berkowitz, would end up sharing stories with him.

[SPEAKER_00]: He was great for Gary's ego, always complimenting him on his muscles and even nicknamed him, Gary Evans, the great tricep king.

[SPEAKER_00]: their relationship ended when Evans called David Berkowitz, David Berserkowitz, one day while working out.

[SPEAKER_00]: Something they were relationship ended because they were in a sexual relationship and something went on there.

[SPEAKER_00]: But calling him David Berserkowitz, it's on a same the wrong way.

[SPEAKER_00]: In an article the Gary Evans had read about David Berkowitz.

[SPEAKER_00]: It was said that he was adopted.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it freaked him out when he realized that his actual his birth name was Richard Falco, how serendipitous.

[SPEAKER_00]: I am knowing that he had killed his friend, Michael Falco, to this point.

[SPEAKER_00]: By December, Evans was transferred to Dan Amora, which didn't sit well with him, and he didn't want to go back there.

[SPEAKER_00]: What anger and most was that he was placing a cell next to one, he occupied back in 1977, having spent most of his 20s behind bars at that time, he didn't like being back here.

[SPEAKER_00]: And this close to those memories.

[SPEAKER_00]: Detective Horton continued to search and follow up on Leedsman Michael Falco, having no idea he was wrapped in the sleeping bag and buried in a shallow Graven Florida by his main man here as main snitch in Evans.

[SPEAKER_00]: He began Detective Horton did to believe he was either extremely good at hiding out with Falco or something was keeping him from contacting anyone, you know, maybe being dead.

[SPEAKER_00]: and Detective Horton promised himself he was going to find Falco for his wife and not his own wife but for Falco's wife and for Falco's children.

[SPEAKER_00]: Born in September 10, 1961, Damian Cuomo, whom I've mentioned, was seven years younger than Evans, he had heard of Evans and had run into him once in a while but never considered working with him.

[SPEAKER_00]: Evans was known as a good thief, small at 5 foot 6, we can lie in his shit.

[SPEAKER_00]: Super strong, so we could scale walls and fences like a cat.

[SPEAKER_00]: Homo lived on an industrial park road in Troy, New York State, with his longtime girlfriend Lisa Morris and their daughter, Christina.

[SPEAKER_00]: When Evans and Homo had hooked up in 1988, one afternoon Gary Evans had just showed up at his door, looking for him, at least it was Homo alone, and had never seen Evans [SPEAKER_00]: And she came to realize after everything went down that he was Evans was always pulling Cuomo, Amy Cuomo out of the house and taking him for long hours, out into Do things that they said were just normal shit like going golfing or bowling, you know, like dudes do going on dates together.

[SPEAKER_00]: In reality, they were a burglarizing, the area.

[SPEAKER_00]: Lisa didn't like Gary Evans for taking her husband away from her and the kids.

[SPEAKER_00]: Her hatred for Gary Evans grew after they had words when afternoon.

[SPEAKER_00]: And Gary Evans threatened to walk off through you of a balcony if you give me any more trouble.

[SPEAKER_00]: Bitch.

[SPEAKER_00]: Anquo.

[SPEAKER_00]: Over the next few years, Gary and Damian became inseparable.

[SPEAKER_00]: They hung out together in committed burglaries together and were very successful.

[SPEAKER_00]: In the meantime, Gary Evans would stay in contact with Detective Horton and told the detective he could set up a sting to buy stolen weapons from a local Troy burglar.

[SPEAKER_00]: What do you want for this, Gary?

[SPEAKER_00]: Horton and asked.

[SPEAKER_00]: Nothing.

[SPEAKER_00]: I just want to fuck this guy hard, said Gary Evans, and uh, not sure what he meant by that.

[SPEAKER_00]: No, I know I do know what he meant by that.

[SPEAKER_00]: He just wants to fuck him up, you know, fuck his life up.

[SPEAKER_00]: Not he doesn't literally want to fuck him because that would be gay.

[SPEAKER_00]: The next day with Gary's help, Detective Horton had stolen weapons off the streets and a burglar in jail.

[SPEAKER_00]: Gary Evans needed to stay in touch with Detective Horton because this was his way out of certain situations.

[SPEAKER_00]: He'd offer his help constantly.

[SPEAKER_00]: It was just all the scheme, though.

[SPEAKER_00]: He was getting ahead buying his trust, giving him information on people in case he got in trouble in the future.

[SPEAKER_00]: It was no shock to detective Horton when he got a call letting him know that Gary Evans and his partner were in lock-up after being pulled over for speeding, and on them they had burglar style tools.

[SPEAKER_00]: Little detective Horton know that Evans and Cuomo had the entire inside of Cuomo's car line was stolen merchandise, but the cops never found it.

[SPEAKER_00]: The fall of 1989 was beautiful in [SPEAKER_00]: situated in the northern part of the state, it was just over 200 miles, a three and a half hour drive from Albany.

[SPEAKER_00]: Prime and Waterton is something the residents worried little about at the time.

[SPEAKER_00]: A friend of Damian Cuomo's told him there was a small coin in jewelry shop in town that could be an easy target for him.

[SPEAKER_00]: 63-year-old Douglas Barry, owner and operator of the Square, Lion Coin, and jewelry, was an unassuming businessman who opened his shop in the mid-70s.

[SPEAKER_00]: He couldn't afford an alarm system and he occasionally slept in a loft at the back of the shop, with a hang on under his pillow for protection.

[SPEAKER_00]: He worked long hours, ran the shop by himself, let's stay away from his wife at night, you know, drink and fall asleep.

[SPEAKER_00]: Damian Cuomo was excited by the job, but Gary Evans, who never took things at face value, decided that she'd go up there and take a look before doing anything.

[SPEAKER_00]: he wanted to be certainly information with solid and be sure they weren't being set up.

[SPEAKER_00]: Throughout the summer, they drove to Watertown several times to check out the square lying and they even went into the shop and sold bury a few pieces of gold they had stolen.

[SPEAKER_00]: They also made a trip to the Canadian border where Cuomo purchased some Canadian cigarettes and Gary Evans bought snacks and other items like Twix.

[SPEAKER_00]: Mirage bars, what we got your smarties that they don't have in the States, that he would use later.

[SPEAKER_00]: To spread around scenes to make it seem like a Canadian, and I've done it, and not someone from the States.

[SPEAKER_00]: Always the thinker, the little stinker, Gary Evans.

[SPEAKER_00]: Sitting in Cuomo's car in the parking lot, they waited for Barry to lock up and turn off the lights of his little pawn shop here.

[SPEAKER_00]: Gary Evans, staring at the building, had a feeling that Barry would leave the windows unlocked.

[SPEAKER_00]: He usually closes shop at 6 p.m.

[SPEAKER_00]: and for some reason he still lights on by 9 p.m.

[SPEAKER_00]: At about midnight, Barry came in and walked up the street to a Mr.

Sub, very Canadian sub place.

[SPEAKER_00]: He chatted with the girl behind the counter, and after about 20 minutes left with his sandwich.

[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, Barry was going to sleep at any time soon, because he got to eat that big old sub.

[SPEAKER_00]: So, Evans and Cuomo went to get something to eat too.

[SPEAKER_00]: At Mr.

Sub.

[SPEAKER_00]: At about 4.30 a.m., Gary decides that Barry had been asleep long enough for them to get him without being heard.

[SPEAKER_00]: The window was left unlocked as Evans thought.

[SPEAKER_00]: Gary Evans entered first, then Damien Cuomo followed.

[SPEAKER_00]: Evans snuck up behind Barry while he slept, and not behind him with his 22 caliber pistol.

[SPEAKER_00]: Pointed as head, and waited while Cuomo walked around with a duffel bag, filling it with jewelry gold coins and rare baseball cards.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I'll try desperately keep quiet because he knew that his partner here in Gary Evans would kill this shop owner and bury if he was a woken, the floorboards though were squeaking and creaking her and eat its feet as he stole items.

[SPEAKER_00]: Barry began to stir in his chair, gunned to the back of his head, but didn't wake up.

[SPEAKER_00]: Cuomo dumped a tray of diamond rings gold chains and necklaces into a bag at one point, which startled Barry and he stirred even more.

[SPEAKER_00]: When Cuomo dumped another bag, Barry woke up and began looking around, huh?

[SPEAKER_00]: When Gary saw this, he shot him in the head.

[SPEAKER_00]: There was no blood, Barry just simply fell back down the pillow as if he had been knocked unconscious.

[SPEAKER_00]: It seemed that the bullet from the 22 caliber pistol that he had, the bullet had just knocked around his brain and stayed in there.

[SPEAKER_00]: The only blood spilling was from the entrance hole to the back of his head, which was kind of kind of cool.

[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, carry Heaven's thought.

[SPEAKER_00]: That was a neat one.

[SPEAKER_00]: Come on, we heard a pop rushed to the loft and asked, what the fuck was that?

[SPEAKER_00]: Evan's looked up in the eyes and simply said, are you finished?

[SPEAKER_00]: Is this fuck or is?

[SPEAKER_00]: No, there's more, there's more shit to steal.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, fuck it, we're leaving right now, I just killed him.

[SPEAKER_00]: By the time their finish was daylight outside, before Cuomo left, they took cigarettes out of the bag and crump them up and threw them near the body to, like, a red herring.

[SPEAKER_00]: Canadian cigarettes, of course.

[SPEAKER_00]: With over $30,000 worth of merchandise they drove to Troy, New York, without a problem.

[SPEAKER_00]: Once they got back to Troy, they agreed to meet up in three days, and they separated at that point.

[SPEAKER_00]: Obama would hold onto the goods as he had someone that would buy most of it.

[SPEAKER_00]: The next morning, Shirley Berry, Douglas Berry's wife, decided to drive to the shop when her husband failed to answer the phone, which was odd.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he'd often, you know, follow sleep in the pawn shop and kind of guard it with his gun, but almost every single day he would be up early and having his coffee and get ready to start up.

[SPEAKER_00]: So when she got to the shop, she entered with her key and she immediately noticed a few of the jewelry cases open and items missing.

[SPEAKER_00]: She calls out for her husband up in the loft.

[SPEAKER_00]: She goes up, hearing nothing from him, finds him seemingly still asleep, which he goes to shake him, blood seeps out of the back of his head, and a blurt blurt.

[SPEAKER_00]: Investigate a Keith Fairchild interviewed Shirley, the medical examiner and other local officers could come up with only a 22 caliber spent projectile that was found near Barry's head.

[SPEAKER_00]: a casing by his elbow and a crumpled pack of Canadian cigarettes, along with a size 10 footprint found pressed into the carpet and blood, one trick that Gary Evans used to use was to wear shoes to sizes too big.

[SPEAKER_00]: So they're looking for a bigger man.

[SPEAKER_00]: Gary Evans and Cuomo met up on September 11th, 1989, a popular date for this case for some reason.

[SPEAKER_00]: Enjoy.

[SPEAKER_00]: Cuomo is promised sold all the stolen merchandise and then he'd handed it to this point, Gary Evans Award a cash.

[SPEAKER_00]: There's about 15 grand there, he told Gary.

[SPEAKER_00]: Not a bad day's work, damn you, huh?

[SPEAKER_00]: Gary said smiling, I guess.

[SPEAKER_00]: almost said, and Cuomo, he was a bit shaky, anxious.

[SPEAKER_00]: He was a burglar and the idea killing someone was never a part of who he was or what he did and now he was a part of this.

[SPEAKER_00]: Gary looked at him suspiciously like, I don't think this guy's going to be able to handle what I did.

[SPEAKER_00]: He had killed before and the murder of an innocent man didn't seem to matter to him.

[SPEAKER_00]: You can never tell anyone about that job.

[SPEAKER_00]: You fucking understand me?

[SPEAKER_00]: these are the friends that you run into sometimes guys who you'll be around girls whatever right where you'll be around them and they'll do something fucked up and uh...

now you're a part of it and the look at you i mean maybe i'm just speaking for myself but the look at you like you uh...

we're all in together now on this right you go yeah [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we definitely are, because if I give you the idea that we aren't, I feel that you're going to turn this around on me or turn on me, you know, hurt me, kill me, do something to fucking make me afraid to ever speak about this ever again, these are the traps of hanging out with questionable people.

[SPEAKER_00]: They could be a lot of fun, till they're not.

[SPEAKER_00]: So Gary Evans and Truskumbag fashion didn't entrust his partner in Cuomo, convincing himself that Cuomo had been ripping him off the entire time that he known him.

[SPEAKER_00]: And in his mind, he's like, you'll get yours too, you little fucker.

[SPEAKER_00]: I've already killed one of my partners already, I'll kill another.

[SPEAKER_00]: And Evans thought this as he watched Cuomo drive away after giving him his cut, his straight up cut.

[SPEAKER_00]: By November 1989, Water 10 Detectives had a suspect in the murder of Douglas Barry, the shop owner.

[SPEAKER_00]: A man with an extensive arrest record in New York and New Jersey who two years earlier had bragged about killing Barry and taking all of his gold came up, and this is hilarious that some criminals will brag about crimes they never did.

[SPEAKER_00]: Two people who will later use that information against them.

[SPEAKER_00]: When they tracked this guy down, he denied any involvement, so detectives asked him to take a [SPEAKER_00]: He agreed stating in nothing to hide, but he ended up failing the test probably because he had a lot of other things that he was lying about.

[SPEAKER_00]: So, in the end detectors that didn't have enough evidence to prosecute in the case was reopened, they were going to take him down on this failed polygraph test.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it appeared that Evans had committed the perfect murder now at this point.

[SPEAKER_00]: He followed the investigation from afar and realized how easy it was to get away with murder.

[SPEAKER_00]: He had killed two men with no consequences.

[SPEAKER_00]: Why not kill more?

[SPEAKER_00]: It was the end of November, just after Thanksgiving and there was something he needed to do before the first major snowfall of 1989.

[SPEAKER_00]: Gary Evans purchased three bags of top soil and about nine feet of chicken wire.

[SPEAKER_00]: After grabbing a shovel and saw, he drove into the back of Damian Cuomo's apartment and parked his truck near a wooded area at a view.

[SPEAKER_00]: He walked about a half mile into the woods, looking for an area less accessible.

[SPEAKER_00]: After walking up and down steeping climbs and small hills, he located a tree about four inches in diameter and began sowing it, and eventually the tree was down to the ground.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's getting a Christmas tree, I think, right here.

[SPEAKER_00]: He never walked north where he was standing, counting off 60 paces, then started digging.

[SPEAKER_00]: He dug through the layer of frost and dug a three-foot deep and three-foot round hole, [SPEAKER_00]: He'd lined it with chicken wire so it wouldn't cave in, but three bags of top soul on top of the whole, covered it with a piece of woody fan nearby, and through mulch and leaves on it to camouflage it.

[SPEAKER_00]: He believed that Cuomo had shorted him in the water town job.

[SPEAKER_00]: They can he sold the merch dice for far more money than he had claimed.

[SPEAKER_00]: He also believed that Cuomo would rad on him in a minute to save himself.

[SPEAKER_00]: as he had a wife and a kid.

[SPEAKER_00]: When Gary Evans made up his mind, factored in a matter.

[SPEAKER_00]: If he believed Damien Cuomo ripped him off and his mind, he did, and it was now time for Damien to go.

[SPEAKER_00]: On December 26, the day after Christmas 1989, Gary Evans called Cuomo and told him he wanted to meet up with him to discuss some things.

[SPEAKER_00]: Lisa Cuomo's wife had drank heavily the night before, and she was asleep the morning Evans showed up, [SPEAKER_00]: Little girl was in the living room watching cartoons.

[SPEAKER_00]: Damien told his daughter, well, tell Mummy when she wakes up the daddy will be back in half an hour.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then he left with Evans.

[SPEAKER_00]: Where are we going?

[SPEAKER_00]: He asked Gary as the guy into his car.

[SPEAKER_00]: I just up the road here, bro.

[SPEAKER_00]: We need to talk privately.

[SPEAKER_00]: Gary Evans took them to the wooded area, parked, shut off the car.

[SPEAKER_00]: He then took out his 22-cal pistol and pointed it at Damien's temple.

[SPEAKER_00]: You're leaving fuck.

[SPEAKER_00]: You stole from me and you thought you didn't get away with it.

[SPEAKER_00]: He then got out of the car, keeping the pistol pointed at Cuomo, as he walked around the front of the car to the passenger side where Cuomo was still sitting.

[SPEAKER_00]: After a handcuffing Cuomo's hands behind his back, without saying a word he shot him three times at the back of the head outside the car.

[SPEAKER_00]: He then placed a shopping bag or his head, went to his trunk, pulled out a shower curtain, and some rope, wrapped, home on the curtain, and dragged him through the woods to the hole he had already dug.

[SPEAKER_00]: He removed the wood cover, and the three bags of soil, and through Cuomo in head first.

[SPEAKER_00]: He then covered him with the top soil, threw some brush over it, and drove home.

[SPEAKER_00]: The tree that he had cut down, just to mention that, was for him to recognize the area, I believe.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is a very unmarry Christmas though it is just past so.

[SPEAKER_00]: In his defense gear, it was his defense at least he allowed a Damien Cuomo to have Christmas with his wife and little girl first.

[SPEAKER_00]: Great stuff.

[SPEAKER_00]: At about 11 a.m.

[SPEAKER_00]: the next morning, Gary called Damien Cuomo's apartment and his girlfriend Lisa answered, where is that fucking Weasel boy friend of yours Lisa?

[SPEAKER_00]: I have no idea.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, he's supposed to take me.

[SPEAKER_00]: Lisa cut him off and after to take him herself.

[SPEAKER_00]: Nah, fuck it.

[SPEAKER_00]: I called a cab, but you could tell that little fuck when I catch up with him.

[SPEAKER_00]: He owes me.

[SPEAKER_00]: All this while knowing that he killed Cuomo.

[SPEAKER_00]: Lisa said she would tell him when she saw him and then hung up.

[SPEAKER_00]: Damien Cuomo was known to not stay in one place for very long, so him being a gun didn't [SPEAKER_00]: After, in fact, murdering Cuomo, Gary took off to Florida to lay low for a while.

[SPEAKER_00]: And by the end of January, he was back in Troy, New York State, his goal now is to convince Lisa that her boyfriend and Cuomo was still alive.

[SPEAKER_00]: It was nothing but a deadbeat dad who took off on his family.

[SPEAKER_00]: He left you in Christina.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's not coming back.

[SPEAKER_00]: Later, while Lisa was in the hospital for a drug overdose.

[SPEAKER_00]: Gary Evans staged her apartment to look like her boyfriend missing Damian Cuomo had been in the apartment grab some of his things and took off again.

[SPEAKER_00]: When Lisa got a rehab, she had a super bowl of sunday party, and at this party with a few family and friends, including Gary Evans, she at the end of the night after everyone had gone, went to bed with Gary, and...

[SPEAKER_00]: Now, Gary Evans is entering territory of evil.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, sometimes you get a kill somebody for the right reasons.

[SPEAKER_00]: In his mind, right, up to this point, the way he was talking.

[SPEAKER_00]: But now he's taken the guy's girl, too.

[SPEAKER_00]: And maybe trying to raise a child of a man that he had killed.

[SPEAKER_00]: Gary Evans had a number of women.

[SPEAKER_00]: He was sleeping with it at any given time, but Lisa became his main squeeze.

[SPEAKER_00]: By the summer of 1990, Evans and Lisa were seeing each other almost daily, and he had even won over Cuomo's child Christina by spending time with her drawing pictures, cathering, playing with her.

[SPEAKER_00]: He started though looking over his shoulder quite a bit because we're to gotten around that he had probably killed Cuomo, and also had killed Michael Falco.

[SPEAKER_00]: Detective Horton, his buddy here, was becoming an experienced investigator in the meantime, it was going places in the FBI.

[SPEAKER_00]: Most in understand his desire to help rehabilitate Gary Evans, whom he felt was a product of his rough childhood and just needed some direction, a testament to the charm of Gary Evans.

[SPEAKER_00]: Gary would continue to get caught for petty thefts, Tech to Horton would fix it, and Gary would continue to offer up information on other criminals for this help to fix it.

[SPEAKER_00]: It was a mutually beneficial arrangement.

[SPEAKER_00]: October 1991, Little Falls, New York, a small town about a 90-minute drive from Albany with a population of about 5,000.

[SPEAKER_00]: In this town there was a small coin shop on the Main Street run by 36-year-old Gregory Jubin.

[SPEAKER_00]: Evans loved Jubin's shop as it was far enough away from Albany where he was now staying, and he could come and go into the town without being noticed.

[SPEAKER_00]: He even brought some small items there and got to know Jubin.

[SPEAKER_00]: On October 3, Gary began camping in on the roof of the building that housed the coin shop.

[SPEAKER_00]: He was getting long and cash and wanted to scope it out to rob it.

[SPEAKER_00]: At night, shortly before Jubim would close, Gary would watch Jubim by crawling around the ceiling tiles.

[SPEAKER_00]: Offer top of them.

[SPEAKER_00]: He had boarded holes to spy in certain areas.

[SPEAKER_00]: And he wanted to see where he was putting his most valuable items.

[SPEAKER_00]: He eventually saw that it was in a floor safe.

[SPEAKER_00]: He couldn't detect the numbers on that safe from his vantage point.

[SPEAKER_00]: So by the end of the second week getting frustrated, he, uh, this was on October 17, 1991, Gary purchased an open closed sign, [SPEAKER_00]: Put his 22 caliber pistol in a bag secure with duct tape, so the bag would catch the shell casings.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's learned this lesson by now and goes into the shop, trying to sell a gold mandalion.

[SPEAKER_00]: He enters the shop around 5pm and sees Jubin sitting in his jewelry's desk in the cash register.

[SPEAKER_00]: Evans, he quickly locks the door behind him and puts the clothes sign in the window.

[SPEAKER_00]: It takes Jubin a few minutes to recognize Evans, then says, hey man, how you been?

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm closing in a few minutes.

[SPEAKER_00]: He hands him the medallion and asks, and you check this out for me real quick guy.

[SPEAKER_00]: Jubin takes it and sits down at his desk to look at the medallion through his eyepiece.

[SPEAKER_00]: As he lists the medallion up to the light for a better look, here he ends shoot some once in the back of the head.

[SPEAKER_00]: Jubin falls on his desk.

[SPEAKER_00]: His body can fall so he's shaking his blood runs down the back of his head.

[SPEAKER_00]: Gary Evans that goes to the door to check if anyone's around or had heard anything.

[SPEAKER_00]: Confident, no one did, he shuts off the lights, grabs a handful of diamond rings and puts him in a duffle bag.

[SPEAKER_00]: He hears Jubin moving in his desk at this point, sees he's trying to reach for a phone, he's not dead.

[SPEAKER_00]: Jubin, struggling to take a breath, lifts the receiver and Evans puts two more rounds on the side of his head as he does.

[SPEAKER_00]: Scared he had made too much noise, Gary grabs a few more items and takes off.

[SPEAKER_00]: He makes his way to the rooftop, then jumps over alleyways onto adjacent buildings, and he can hear stuff dropping out of the bag behind him as he does so.

[SPEAKER_00]: He eventually shimmies down a drain pipe and finds himself at his truck, he had parked down the block earlier that day.

[SPEAKER_00]: Little false police department received a call at around 9pm that night, this is October 17th, 1991.

[SPEAKER_00]: Police received the call from Juvence 77-year-old mother telling them her son failed to come home from work at his usual time, and she had called the shop but there was no answer.

[SPEAKER_00]: Three little false patrol men were dispatched.

[SPEAKER_00]: They tried the front door, which was locked.

[SPEAKER_00]: Then they checked the side door that was also locked.

[SPEAKER_00]: They can't figure out how somebody got out.

[SPEAKER_00]: They don't know that he's able to climb out of the building through the fucking ceiling tiles.

[SPEAKER_00]: Through a window beside the door, they could see Jubin slump backwards in his desk chair.

[SPEAKER_00]: so they kick in the door, finds you in stiff and rigid body with blood all over him, and a pull-up blow on the floor, and by this time Constance Jubin had walked in, that's the mother of the deceased here, and says, someone killed him.

[SPEAKER_00]: Why'd that to do this?

[SPEAKER_00]: He's dead, my boy's dead.

[SPEAKER_00]: Evan's Gary Evans, he left little falls and returned to lay them to a motel he'd been staying at during this time of this tragedy.

[SPEAKER_00]: The following day he took a bus to Colorado to meet up with a fence he had used before.

[SPEAKER_00]: His tally from this robbery was just over $60,000.

[SPEAKER_00]: In 1991, it's pretty good money.

[SPEAKER_00]: He returned again to Latham and buried the gun he used to kill Gregory Jubin, along with another gun he had carried on him, and a metal box in the back of the Albany rule cemetery.

[SPEAKER_00]: Early in 1993, Ernst took off to Vermont to go live in the woods for a while.

[SPEAKER_00]: He had always dreamt of buying land and building a home, but the money he was making off burglaries wasn't enough.

[SPEAKER_00]: There were many antique shops in Vermont, he had been ironing, and decided the time was right to pillage them all.

[SPEAKER_00]: After returning to Albany, he kept a low profile, and as the months passed, he started running on a cash again.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's a big spender.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's camped out at the Albany rural cemetery near a marble bench, a rare piece of art, that weighed about 1,000 pounds.

[SPEAKER_00]: He'd been hiding the bench and already had a buyer for it.

[SPEAKER_00]: As strong as he was, he knew he couldn't lift it but managed to get hold of an engine hoist and attach it to the bed of his truck.

[SPEAKER_00]: He had no trouble lifting it with that being seen or heard, and with an hours was a New York City selling this bench from the graveyard.

[SPEAKER_00]: Unfortunately for Evans, he had sold it to a legitimate antique dealer, and the guy traced the bench back to Albany, the cemetery.

[SPEAKER_00]: Scared he had bought stolen property.

[SPEAKER_00]: This antique dealer called police and gave up [SPEAKER_00]: was on this case, and he showed up to Evans' apartment and arrested him, knowing that his kind of client here in Evans would be facing serious time.

[SPEAKER_00]: He asked him to help him, a detective horn set up an inmate named Jeffrey Williams, who was being held in a waiting trial for the murder of one Carolyn Longsack as the kid said, pause.

[SPEAKER_00]: uh...

she was murdered on January 23rd, 1988 Williams was suspected of this murder among many other murders and rapes and detective heart was like, you know what?

[SPEAKER_00]: Gary?

[SPEAKER_00]: we're gonna put you in a cell beside this guy and see if he can help us get him to confess this is how I'll use you this time [SPEAKER_00]: On January 10th, 1994, Gary Evans was placed in the cell next to Williams, and within a few days, they were talking regularly and playing chess together.

[SPEAKER_00]: Gary Evans began talking about all of his enemies he would like to take care of when he got out.

[SPEAKER_00]: This kind of talk worked, Williams loosened up, and he started sharing with Evans.

[SPEAKER_00]: Evans asked him if police could get him for the murder that he was charged with.

[SPEAKER_00]: Here's a quote.

[SPEAKER_00]: He said, Evan said, this is what this Jeffrey Williams accused of the murder of Carolina Longzac said, quote, I don't think they can get me.

[SPEAKER_00]: They were supposed to think retards killed her.

[SPEAKER_00]: What the fuck do you mean retards, Gary asked?

[SPEAKER_00]: Williams told him that retards that were in the area during that time, uh, he was trying to set them up, but he had driven her out to an area where he killed her.

[SPEAKER_00]: And he said this, a fucking driver's license, a retard would have left her there.

[SPEAKER_00]: I should have left her there.

[SPEAKER_00]: What's probably going to get me is that I have a driver's license.

[SPEAKER_00]: And, uh, I'm trying to blame [SPEAKER_00]: And the fact she was moved is going to fuck me in the end.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is an admission of guilt.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's nasty.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's fucked up.

[SPEAKER_00]: But this is the way he was talking.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, so Gary Evans reported this strange information back to Detective Horton and this information may complete sense to the detective regarding the case.

[SPEAKER_00]: As a reward, Carrie Evans was released on February the 12th, of 1994 just about a month into his sentence for, you know, this whole caper stealing the bench from the cemetery, which could have put him away for 25 plus years, right, as of it being a third strike.

[SPEAKER_00]: Detective Horton explained to Gary there would be a trial and he would have to testify.

[SPEAKER_00]: You can't fuck this up, Gary.

[SPEAKER_00]: You can't get on any trouble for this trial.

[SPEAKER_00]: If you show up in leg chains and handcuffs, his attorney will destroy us.

[SPEAKER_00]: and Gary then apparently said, come on, guy, don't worry about it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Trust me.

[SPEAKER_00]: I know I say guy a lot, but he says guy all the time.

[SPEAKER_00]: Gary Evan sees a guy guy.

[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, the great tricep king could only be kind enough for two things.

[SPEAKER_00]: Stay in buff and steal and stuff.

[SPEAKER_00]: In the Norman Williams Public Library was the James Audubon Book of Rare Prince and titled Birds of America.

[SPEAKER_00]: It was worth a hundred grand at the time.

[SPEAKER_00]: March 20, 1994, Evans went around the back of the building and removed the hinge bolts holding the iron bars on one of the basement windows.

[SPEAKER_00]: Within 15 minutes he was in and out of the library with a 60-pound [SPEAKER_00]: Little did he know that a federal judge sat on the border trustees for the library in the area?

[SPEAKER_00]: The judge's literally made a federal case out of it.

[SPEAKER_00]: And they set up a sting operation to get Gary Evans after an informant had implicated him.

[SPEAKER_00]: Rats on rats.

[SPEAKER_00]: The FBI contacted Detective Norton, asking for his help.

[SPEAKER_00]: They knew he was very close to Gary, after waiting patiently for MS to contact him.

[SPEAKER_00]: Horton was happy that Gary eventually did.

[SPEAKER_00]: Gary said, hey man, I know I fucked up.

[SPEAKER_00]: And Detective Horton was like, you screwed me.

[SPEAKER_00]: You promised me you wouldn't get any trouble.

[SPEAKER_00]: We had the Williams case coming up soon as the slam dunk if you could have stayed in a trouble.

[SPEAKER_00]: I needed to testify.

[SPEAKER_00]: Now you've stolen this fucking book.

[SPEAKER_00]: I am what I am.

[SPEAKER_00]: Detective Jim Horton, he's like, okay, I'll talk to the judge.

[SPEAKER_00]: We'll probably make it easy on you.

[SPEAKER_00]: I need you for this case.

[SPEAKER_00]: This judge won an Evans Bad one of the Book Human Wars.

[SPEAKER_00]: The judge after analyzing the situation made an offer of 27 months and he won the book returned.

[SPEAKER_00]: This book of fucking parts.

[SPEAKER_00]: And Evans agreed to turn the book in himself in.

[SPEAKER_00]: Detective Jim Horton picked Gary up.

[SPEAKER_00]: Relief to have his witness secured for the upcoming murder trial of Jeffrey Williams and uh...

everyone else happy to just get this book off fucking birds back hundred grand birds of america a sixty-pound book come on guy was got actual birds in it [SPEAKER_00]: So Gary Evans, he wasn't happy even though he'd made a sweet deal here.

[SPEAKER_00]: He was struggling bad this time in prison and didn't think he would make it through his stent as he was losing his mind and going downhill fast.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think mainly he was super paranoid that people were going to figure out that he was a rat on on the hell's angels and a rat in other ways.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm throwing the term rad around a lot here, and it's not really a real throw away in the way and when she's trying to put it across to everybody, he's a legitimate rat.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like what a rat is is you don't want a rat is, like the actual thing, a rat.

[SPEAKER_00]: A rat will do anything to save its own skin.

[SPEAKER_00]: It'll break its own bones to get out of like a small space, it'll chew through things.

[SPEAKER_00]: you know Charlie fucking use rats against prisoners of war they put them on their belly strap a we've basket over top of the rat and then the rat would eventually dig into the soldier's belly and get its way out through the flesh at the side of the fucking abdominal [SPEAKER_00]: isn't that is that real i don't know i'm not sure but that's what i think of when i think of a rat it's a thief you know you can't trust a rat the fucking animal well it mammals i don't know i'm fucking an idiot i'm according to a lot of the fucking feedback i get so he's a rat he's killing people that he thinks will rat on him and he's also killing these shop owners who could identify him [SPEAKER_00]: and he's riding on on people in prison.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's doing anything he can to do to save his skin.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's up out and outrat.

[SPEAKER_00]: So the tech important just needed him to hang on until after the Williams trial.

[SPEAKER_00]: It took about two years until prosecutors were finally ready to call Gary Evans to the stand.

[SPEAKER_00]: It was May 16, 1996.

[SPEAKER_00]: showing up in an orange jump suit, chains and shackles clanging in an handcuffs.

[SPEAKER_00]: Gary Evans was on the stand for about half an hour.

[SPEAKER_00]: His testimony helped, and the jury handed down a guilty verdict, and Jeffrey Williams spent the rest of his life in prison.

[SPEAKER_00]: Afterwards, Detective Horton sat down with Gary and told him, we're through now.

[SPEAKER_00]: Gary, no more.

[SPEAKER_00]: I can't do this any longer.

[SPEAKER_00]: You're too much of a fucking liability.

[SPEAKER_00]: I need to move on.

[SPEAKER_00]: And Gary Evans was quoted as saying to this, at that time, quote, okay, Guy.

[SPEAKER_00]: Gary was released from prison on June the 6th of 1996 for the theft of the birds of America book.

[SPEAKER_00]: He was 42 years old by this point, completely bald except for like that whole colon hair curtain at the back.

[SPEAKER_00]: But he was still in pretty good physical shape.

[SPEAKER_00]: He had been Robin [SPEAKER_00]: Since 1977, he had been in another prison on average every three years, along the way he had murdered four people possibly more.

[SPEAKER_00]: A career criminal he had built his life around prison, killing people in burglary, and he really at this point now had nothing to show for it, he had all of what kinds of eyes on him and now he had detective Horton saying I'm not going to help you with any fucking trouble you get into going on from here.

[SPEAKER_00]: Shortly after his release, [SPEAKER_00]: Breath of Winter of 1996 in the summer of 1997.

[SPEAKER_00]: Gary went on a burglarizing binge and Tim accompanied him.

[SPEAKER_00]: Gary grew increasingly more paranoid at him and what he would do if they ever got caught.

[SPEAKER_00]: He had planned on killing Tim Rise of Dors for a while because the police were getting closer and he felt that Rise of Dors would have squealed on him in a second if they did get caught.

[SPEAKER_00]: And of course he was still pissed about Rise of Dors setting him up to kill Michael [SPEAKER_00]: So on October the 3rd, 1997, Gary Evans met Ryzen Dorf in the parking lot of a TJ Maxx in Latham.

[SPEAKER_00]: The plan was to drive to the spare room to storage facility where he and Tim both had rented units and go through the inventory that they had stolen over time.

[SPEAKER_00]: And that Tim was very sneaky Tim was not getting arrested to this point.

[SPEAKER_00]: Always kind of pulling it out of the last second, being the guy to hold on to their stolen goods while Evans did all this prison time.

[SPEAKER_00]: We need to part ways to me, Evan said, as they sat in Rizador's car, instead of the facility with all their shit and the storage.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's getting too hot with you around me.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's getting too hot for me to be around you.

[SPEAKER_00]: The idea was to split the merchandise and not see each other for a long while.

[SPEAKER_00]: After finishing splitting this merchandise, they drove to Lisa's apartment, remember Lisa's wife of Cuomo, one of his victims.

[SPEAKER_00]: And they argue in the parking lot, he ends up finishing the argument, going back up stairs, banging Lisa, Lisa's no idea that she's with the killer of her child's father.

[SPEAKER_00]: Evans is arguing with Tim in this parking lot, they're talking about checks that need to be cash.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's all sloppy, you know, they're going to get caught going at each other like this in the lot.

[SPEAKER_00]: By 630 PM, they leave the parking lot and the night where it's on, they go back to Tim's apartment.

[SPEAKER_00]: Tim's girlfriend, Caroline Parker.

[SPEAKER_00]: She is the mother to Tim's son, Sean.

[SPEAKER_00]: They keep calling the apartment asking when he's going to be home.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's dealing with Gary.

[SPEAKER_00]: Tim's getting pissed off their calls.

[SPEAKER_00]: So he eventually ends up calling her at 1 a.m.

[SPEAKER_00]: October 4th and tells her, you know what?

[SPEAKER_00]: I'll be home.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'll be over at your place in 40 minutes.

[SPEAKER_00]: When he's out the phone, Evan's just like fine, you know what?

[SPEAKER_00]: We're not going to figure this out.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is going back and do one more trip to the storage shed.

[SPEAKER_00]: We'll help each other load the rest of our shit and that'll be absolutely yet.

[SPEAKER_00]: Gary has his 22 caliber handgun tucked to the front of his pants as he always did.

[SPEAKER_00]: Once it gets to the storage shed, Tim's leaned down to pick up a box, and Gary Evans walks quietly up behind him and shoots him three times in the back of the ad, big surprise.

[SPEAKER_00]: With Tim Riseador flying down in the floor, Evans walks over to a box he put in the shed a few days earlier, pulls in a rubber bib, much like a butcher would wear, puts it on and takes it a chainsaw, starts it up, and proceeds to cut off Riseador's legs and arms in the storage shed.

[SPEAKER_00]: Gary had picked in a burial site and runs with days earlier, it was located up a steep hill, and the only way he can get Tim's body up the hill was to cut it up and bag it.

[SPEAKER_00]: After changing clothes and washing blood off his hands, he drove to a local supermarket, bought a bag of garbage bags and a gallon of bleach.

[SPEAKER_00]: As he chopped Tim's body into pieces, blood and bone fragments had sprayed all over, so he needed to clean this up.

[SPEAKER_00]: Once the cops figured out Tim was missing, they would likely track down the unit, so it had to be spotless.

[SPEAKER_00]: Gary taped up and bagged each body part and put them in a cardboard box, along with the clothes he had worn while dismembering him.

[SPEAKER_00]: Then he began cleaning the walls of floor with the bleach paper towels.

[SPEAKER_00]: The fumes at one point started to get to him, so he opened the door to the unit.

[SPEAKER_00]: About six inches to get some fresh air, remember he's like in this park, you know, with the storage he was like storage wars.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's in one of those fucking units.

[SPEAKER_00]: He hears footsteps.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's like a security guard.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's something coming up.

[SPEAKER_00]: He thinks.

[SPEAKER_00]: So he crawls to the door and he's like, man, they must have heard the chainsaw fucking run in.

[SPEAKER_00]: And he watches us as some feet.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm walking up to the door.

[SPEAKER_00]: It turns it through the manager of the storage unit facility.

[SPEAKER_00]: He grabs one of his guns.

[SPEAKER_00]: Gary Evans does and points it at the door at eye level and waits for the door to raise.

[SPEAKER_00]: The manager does, in fact, put his hands under the bottom of the door.

[SPEAKER_00]: Gary sees this and it's a time to fucking kill somebody else until he hears another person yell out for the manager that he's needed back at the office.

[SPEAKER_00]: The hands disappear and foot steps start to walk away.

[SPEAKER_00]: And Gary, well, let us say that is the luckiest mother fucker in the world.

[SPEAKER_00]: He had no idea how close he can to be in Barry next to Tim Rysedorf.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's what the way it would have gone down.

[SPEAKER_00]: He from that point walks to TJ Maxx gets in his truck, drives back to the storage unit, loads the box of body parts, his bloody clothes, and the chainsign to his truck.

[SPEAKER_00]: Waves goodbye to the manager on the way out.

[SPEAKER_00]: Before leaving, he drove to the chain length fence that surrounded the storage facility in through his 22 or the fence into a small ditch, the ran along the inner state, he didn't want anything to do with that anymore.

[SPEAKER_00]: He killed enough people.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's probably going to turn the corner after this, he thinks.

[SPEAKER_00]: All this friends are dead.

[SPEAKER_00]: After burying Tim's body parts and several shallow graves just over the Troy City Limits and Brunswick, Gary drives to a concrete plant, located in the banks of the Hudson, and throws the chain saw in his clothes into the water.

[SPEAKER_00]: Covered in mud, he drives to Lisa's apartment, leads himself up and has a glass of milk, and a box of chocolate chip cookies.

[SPEAKER_00]: A sentimental snack from his younger years, begging from the window of his prison bedroom for the babysitter to bring him snacks, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: I thought that was a sweet, sweet touch.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's a big kid, eh?

[SPEAKER_00]: He goes to sleep, when he awakens hours later, Gary packs his bag and takes off.

[SPEAKER_00]: On October 4th, 1997, Caroline, Tim, Ryzenorce, girlfriend wakes up and realizes Tim's not home.

[SPEAKER_00]: She tries calling him, paging him, and for the next few hours, paces are living room smoking.

[SPEAKER_00]: In her heart, she knows something's terribly wrong.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is not like Tim at all, and today was the day of her sister's wedding he's supposed to be wither.

[SPEAKER_00]: Caroline calls her mother and tells her that, Tim didn't come home last night.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's missing.

[SPEAKER_00]: I can't find him.

[SPEAKER_00]: She tells her mom not to tell the family if she didn't want to spoil the day for her sister.

[SPEAKER_00]: After putting the finishing touches on her makeup for the day, the phone rings.

[SPEAKER_00]: She almost jumps out of her skin.

[SPEAKER_00]: She knows his bad news.

[SPEAKER_00]: Gary Evans, claiming to be a friend of Tim's named Lou.

[SPEAKER_00]: Tells Caroline, he's concerned or has been as runoff.

[SPEAKER_00]: And he hangs up.

[SPEAKER_00]: Before leaving for the wedding, Caroline calls the Saratoga Springs Police Department, and asks if they could find out if Timothy had been in an auto accident or arrested, or is he just dead in this apartment?

[SPEAKER_00]: They do look into it, but they find nothing.

[SPEAKER_00]: Detective Horton's last encounter with Gary Evans was back in 1995, and they hadn't spoken since.

[SPEAKER_00]: As Detective Horton and Charles Sully Sullivan made the way over to Caroline's apartment, to begin trying to find out what had happened to Tim Ryzendorf, they had no reason to believe it was anything more than a cheating husband who ran off on his family.

[SPEAKER_00]: They asked her a lot of questions about her in Tim's relationship and asked if she knew if he had any other girlfriends.

[SPEAKER_00]: Has anything changed recently?

[SPEAKER_00]: Is attitude his demeanor?

[SPEAKER_00]: How did you two get along?

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, we're fine.

[SPEAKER_00]: And there's no other girlfriends, but there is a kind of a boy friend Tim grew up with and Troy, who's been hanging around a lot with lately.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't like him.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't trust him.

[SPEAKER_00]: Do you know what his name is as Detective Horton?

[SPEAKER_00]: trying to think of his name she said I know he's suspected of killing another guy Tim Nose Michael Falco Detective Horton's like what the fuck there's no way Gary's back in my life here he says Is his name Gary Evans?

[SPEAKER_00]: Does that name mean anything to you the name Gary Evans?

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, that's the guy Tim's been hanging around with that Gary guy lately.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't like him [SPEAKER_00]: If there's any doubt in Detective Horton's mind that Cuomo and Falco were dead at the hands of Gary Evans, it was wiped away here.

[SPEAKER_00]: Detective Horton had one of his investigators search a visitor's list, uh, visitors who had come to the federal president to see Gary during his recent stay.

[SPEAKER_00]: What turned it to be a joke around the office was when the list came back, detective Morton's name, was at the top of that list.

[SPEAKER_00]: While everyone laughed, there was notice the name that was familiar on that list.

[SPEAKER_00]: Lisa Morris, the girlfriend, too, announced deceased, though they don't know it yet.

[SPEAKER_00]: Damien Cuomo, another associate of [SPEAKER_00]: Gary Evans, this woman who was having sex with Gary, ultimately went in at breaking the Tim Riser Dwarf missing person case wide open, Detective Hort was able to locate her on October 15, 1987, goes to talk to her.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's talked about you, she says to Horton, I've heard your name before, Detective.

[SPEAKER_00]: Within minutes, Horton learned that he and Lisa had more in common than Evans, their daughters attended the same school.

[SPEAKER_00]: Even more remarkable to him was the fact that the father of her daughter, Christina, was Daming Cuomo.

[SPEAKER_00]: Small world.

[SPEAKER_00]: Lisa had truly believed that Daming Cuomo had taken off on her and their daughter, Christina, and he was nothing but a Debbie dad living in the Carolina somewhere.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's what Gary had told her.

[SPEAKER_00]: I need to talk to Gary.

[SPEAKER_00]: She confessed that she and Gary have been dating on and off for the past eight years, Lisa talked about Gary as if he were some kind of prince charming who had saved her from the mess that Damian Cuomo had left them in.

[SPEAKER_00]: In May of 1998, while Lisa was having a beer at her favorite local watering hole, the bar made took a call from a guy named Lou Murray who asked to speak to Lisa.

[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, this was Gary Evans.

[SPEAKER_00]: He told Lisa that he had been traveling and was in Alaska working on a fishing boat.

[SPEAKER_00]: He also told her he would be returning to Albany soon.

[SPEAKER_00]: Lisa relayed this to Detective Horton.

[SPEAKER_00]: Gary Evans contacted Lisa this way a few more times and told her he needed her card to do a job and for a month and talked about meeting her there.

[SPEAKER_00]: Detective Horton learned about this and started planning his trap.

[SPEAKER_00]: He put together a team and got permission to go out of state.

[SPEAKER_00]: He couldn't be part of the setup and needed undercover cops.

[SPEAKER_00]: Evans wanted to know.

[SPEAKER_00]: Gary Evans had planned to meet Lisa Adamick Donalds in St.

[SPEAKER_00]: John'sbury.

[SPEAKER_00]: The setup was soon in place with no detail overlooked.

[SPEAKER_00]: Gary Evans was a professional thief and now Horton knew he was a professional killer.

[SPEAKER_00]: He was one who hated cops and hated the thought of being locked up.

[SPEAKER_00]: He hated anyone who stood in the way of his freedom by this point, even hated detective Horton.

[SPEAKER_00]: Detective Horton told his men to take [SPEAKER_00]: He's moved up the ranks here, and along the way, he had become almost friends with Gary Evans.

[SPEAKER_00]: He knew this criminal more than he knew any other criminal.

[SPEAKER_00]: On the day of the sting, Gary Evans showed up writing his bike, stopping directly across from the McDonald's, where he was to meet Lisa, get her car.

[SPEAKER_00]: He walked a few yards over to a monument and sat down.

[SPEAKER_00]: One-by-one each investigator on the case emerged from their undercover positions and began to move in on Gary.

[SPEAKER_00]: He didn't have a clue until he felt everyone closed in on him.

[SPEAKER_00]: He leapt off the monument and took a few steps heading to the woods behind the McDonald's.

[SPEAKER_00]: As he bolted across the street, the K9 cop released his dog, a large German shepherd trained to attack, who took one leap and sank his teeth into Evans's calf.

[SPEAKER_00]: Gary fell and tried to fight off the dog and within seconds every investigator tackled him.

[SPEAKER_00]: Just as quickly guns were drawn pointing in his head.

[SPEAKER_00]: Detective Horton had warned everyone about Gary's trick of hiding handcuff keys all over his body.

[SPEAKER_00]: The only way to monitor his behavior at all times was to strip him naked so they did handcuff him.

[SPEAKER_00]: Good thing he was buff his shit though, so he didn't mind swinging that dick around and flexing those thighs, those little nipples below those long locks of his, getting a little.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's getting hot in here.

[SPEAKER_00]: Evan's didn't say it were to anyone as he was taken into custody.

[SPEAKER_00]: And after he was processed and fingerprinted, he finally said, Jim Horton, only speak to Detective Jim Horton.

[SPEAKER_00]: For Gary, there would be no more deals, no more snacks at cookies in milk, no more trading information for prison time.

[SPEAKER_00]: No more freedom.

[SPEAKER_00]: Gary confessed to the murders in detail and revealed where Cuomo and Ryzen Doris' bodies were buried.

[SPEAKER_00]: Investigators were sent to Florida where they'd locate the body of Michael Falco.

[SPEAKER_00]: Right where Evan's told them it would be.

[SPEAKER_00]: On August 12, 1998, he was arranged and formally charged with the murders of Michael Falco, Damien Cuomo, and Tim Ryzen Dorf.

[SPEAKER_00]: On August 14, 1998, he had a parole hearing scheduled in Albany.

[SPEAKER_00]: Our Marshall's escorted Evans to a light brown Chevrolet Astro van, that the United States Marshall Service used routinely as a prisoner transport vehicle.

[SPEAKER_00]: Dressed in an orange jumpsuit, Evans was handcuffed at his wrists and shackled at his ankles, but the U.S.A.

[SPEAKER_00]: Master didn't see the need for an additional waste chain.

[SPEAKER_00]: Even more surprising, Gary Evans was not skinned with the metal detector to see if he was hiding contraband.

[SPEAKER_00]: A second vehicle carrying two additional arm marshals would follow.

[SPEAKER_00]: Inside the van, Plexiglass separated Evans from the officers up front.

[SPEAKER_00]: He was alone in the back.

[SPEAKER_00]: The only thing separating Evans from the outside were the rear windows of the van made of half-inch glass.

[SPEAKER_00]: No different from the glass Chevrolet puts in all of its vans.

[SPEAKER_00]: Gary was calm as the van began his journey to the U.S.

[SPEAKER_00]: District Court in Albany.

[SPEAKER_00]: At 10, 16 AM, he was signed into the Albany Court, and by 10, 30 he had been advised of his sentence for violating the terms of his parole.

[SPEAKER_00]: He was passive, non-responsive, and unfocused.

[SPEAKER_00]: At 10, 38 AM, he was loaded into the back for his trip back to the Kenny Gel.

[SPEAKER_00]: At 10 minutes drive up, interstate 787, and over the Troy Minan's bridge.

[SPEAKER_00]: By 11 a.m., Witness Kevin Cot was traveling east over the Troymanan's bridge in the far right lane.

[SPEAKER_00]: In his side view mirror, he noticed a non-descript astro van coming up from behind him in the left lane.

[SPEAKER_00]: As the van passed his vehicle, a spray of what Cot initially thought were sand pebbles began bouncing off his windshield.

[SPEAKER_00]: Those turned out to be shards a glass pelting as windshield.

[SPEAKER_00]: He washes the van locked its brakes and slid sideways into his lane, and then son orange jumpsuit coming into the side window.

[SPEAKER_00]: Gary Evans had kicked out the window when he was climbing out, while the van was still squealing to his stop.

[SPEAKER_00]: The van was about three quarters of the way across the bridge at this point.

[SPEAKER_00]: Gary Evans took a headfirst dive onto the pavement, rolled a few times, then was up on his feet bleeding.

[SPEAKER_00]: The marshals in the van and the vehicle following them jumped out and headed Gary Evans off and he soon found himself cornered on the bridge.

[SPEAKER_00]: There was no way out.

[SPEAKER_00]: With the thought of being locked up for life, Gary crawled under the Eder guard rail and with 62 feet between him and the water, [SPEAKER_00]: He jumped.

[SPEAKER_00]: Chaos ensued at the bridge of cops, US marshals, fire trucks, rescue personnel and media rushed to the scene.

[SPEAKER_00]: Below the bridge, near the Troy side, Evans lay in about 12 inches of water, 10 feet from the shore.

[SPEAKER_00]: When Detective Horton received word about the escape, his first thought was, well, I fucking knew it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Gary Charles Evans, his face bloody from the incredible fall and jumping out of the van and laying in his fucking head, lay face up in the water and he was dead.

[SPEAKER_00]: There were contusions and bruises on the right side of his head as it was determined that he had landed on a piece of rebar which had actually really killed him.

[SPEAKER_00]: A one doctor Barbara Wolf decided the cause of death was blunt force injuries to the head and torso with skull fracture, the result from a jump from a bridge.

[SPEAKER_00]: All that twisted American steel that made up the frame of the so-called Great Tricep King.

[SPEAKER_00]: That name given to him by David Berkowitz, the son of Sam.

[SPEAKER_00]: All that twisted American steel that made him up couldn't withstand a blow from a piece of the real thing.

[SPEAKER_00]: American rebar.

[SPEAKER_00]: Speaking of bar, the tech-deportant couldn't help but feel a tin to regret and how the story of Gary Evans ended.

[SPEAKER_00]: After closer inspection, one set of cuffs that were attached were from the Troy Police Department, and the other set with one cuff dangling were from the U.S.

[SPEAKER_00]: M.S.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, what the hell?

[SPEAKER_00]: How did he get both the sets of cuffs off of him?

[SPEAKER_00]: It was important to detect important to be present at Gary's autopsy.

[SPEAKER_00]: Almost immediately the discovery clues in that autopsy as to how far Gary would go to Kerry out his plan to escape.

[SPEAKER_00]: At his Achilles Haley found a paperclip and a razor blade taped to his skin under his sock.

[SPEAKER_00]: A quick search before he got into the vehicle would have found this shittysly.

[SPEAKER_00]: After a full body x-ray, they found buried in Gary Evans's left nostril inside his sinus, a handcuff key.

[SPEAKER_00]: A lot began to make sense to Horton at the side top, so the set of dangling handcuffs clearly he was grabbing the key from his nostril with a long pinky fingernail that he [SPEAKER_00]: and he thought it was for scoop and cocaine, but he never did drugs.

[SPEAKER_00]: This pinky fingernail was for him to use to drag a handcuff key out from his nostril when he needed.

[SPEAKER_00]: That sneaky son of a bitch, Detective Horton thought, and to that Gary Evans likely would have countered.

[SPEAKER_00]: I can't deny that.

[SPEAKER_00]: Guy.

[SPEAKER_00]: Detective Horton heard a local bar was offering a drink dedicated to his unlikely friend after his incredible death where he jumped off of a bridge rather than be arrested.

[SPEAKER_00]: Detective Horton decided to go have one of these drinks dedicated to Gary Evans.

[SPEAKER_00]: It was a vodka and cranberry juice on ice that the bar had named to wove.

[SPEAKER_00]: Gary on the rocks.

[SPEAKER_00]: And that'll do it.

[SPEAKER_00]: That was one that I've been kind of hesitant to cover for quite some time.

[SPEAKER_00]: I've always enjoyed the story of Gary Charles Evans, and I say always because I've been looking at this case since I started Dark Topic, but just never really knew how I go about covering it because it was long and.

[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of it about just his burglaries and where I can't say really fucking burglaries, burglaries, but there's a lot of things about him that I admire, and I think that's the product of me growing up around some criminals.

[SPEAKER_00]: Not a myr fuck.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it just reminds me of some guys that I used to know, not that I'm anywhere near like fucking as cool as like a Gary.

[SPEAKER_00]: No, I mean, not to any of the people that have been around, I think did great things, but he just reminds me of some people.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I wanted to tell it.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I wouldn't have been able to do it with that help from my mother-in-law who did the research on this, read the book, I read the book as well, buy, uh, who's a buy-em-of, Michael William Phelps, every movie make.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you should read the book, but you don't really need to, like, kind of, just read it to you.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's a long episode.

[SPEAKER_00]: and uh...

ice-coctores like stay perinoid till next time there's a little bit different once in a while i think to do like the uh...

the bank robber style guys the the the the the burglar the burglarers and uh...

that was one of them although he did kill people in cold blood there for sure but um...

it is a little bit different of a style for me and it's just a once in a while thing i'll go that deep on somebody like that what do you believe in that interesting [SPEAKER_00]: But the interest that I found in it is that I can count a few guys that I know they were just like that didn't go that hard But we're just kind of like that Where they thought that they're only hoping the world to gain big was to steal and rob and they tried to be Stand up guys, you know thought they were bikers thought they were mob guys, but Quickly showed they weren't when they got pressed regular guys act in like they're [SPEAKER_00]: something that they aren't and finding themselves somewhere in between.

[SPEAKER_00]: Relatable if you have criminals in your life.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'll say that, I guess.

[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of us could have had an uncle Gary, I feel.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I'll get crucified, of course, but I'll say that there's empathy that needs to be had for the victims.

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so there you go, I said it.

[SPEAKER_00]: I do.

[SPEAKER_00]: Throughout I spend time with that, but I mean, if you're [SPEAKER_00]: Go feel empathy for the victim to yourself, go visit the grave site.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean are you that fucking great?

[SPEAKER_00]: You want me just to say it?

[SPEAKER_00]: I said it.

[SPEAKER_00]: You think I mean it?

[SPEAKER_00]: Probably not.

[SPEAKER_00]: I do.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just not going to spend a lot of time on it because it's panoring.

[SPEAKER_00]: Every time someone gets killed when these stories you got to feel empathy for them.

[SPEAKER_00]: I just focus on the fucking perpetrator most of the time.

[SPEAKER_00]: So you know, sue me.

[SPEAKER_00]: So, I'm going to be releasing my dark fiction on October the 2nd.

[SPEAKER_00]: That would be a couple of Thursdays from now, for spooky season.

[SPEAKER_00]: I've already released this to the 13th floor of Patreon.

[SPEAKER_00]: The plan was to sell this as a book.

[SPEAKER_00]: My book is short stories.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's about three hours long.

[SPEAKER_00]: I did an audio version of it.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's 13 stories that I've written over the last three years, and done on the 13th floor of Patreon, and someone Apple Plus.

[SPEAKER_00]: The plan was to sell this unautable and I had something worked out but it's only just to start feeling right and I'm writing a novel and that's what I want to attempt to sell to you in the future.

[SPEAKER_00]: You as my base audience for it when I become try to become an author and have a jumping off point here at dark topic.

[SPEAKER_00]: I've tried to be published a few times in the past never had an [SPEAKER_00]: And now that I have an audience, I think that I have an opportunity to make some noise when I have the right thing, when I have the right thing that I've written, and I think the right thing will be this novel that I'm working on that is about my life and about my dad.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it's a bit a lot of things, but it's a horror story.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of similar to like a Dean Coon sort of Stephen King or a John Sol or a Peter Straub or a Rubber or a Cameron or you know, style offering horror fiction.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to wait to try to sell something when it comes to that when I finish my first novel.

[SPEAKER_00]: This book of short stories, I'm going to put out for everybody for free publicly on October 2nd, couple Thursdays for now.

[SPEAKER_00]: So look forward to that.

[SPEAKER_00]: Jacqueline is dark fiction, 13 short stories for the mind of Jacqueline.

[SPEAKER_00]: All right, and truly thank you for listening, and if you want to support and get additional exclusives, go to Patreon, go to Spotify, go to Apple Plus, then the show notes.

[SPEAKER_00]: And until next time, keep those eyes cock those doors locked and stay paranoid.

[SPEAKER_00]: And, uh, talk it to real soon.

[SPEAKER_00]: Hope you enjoyed.

[SPEAKER_00]: Little bit tired.

[SPEAKER_00]: Not much else to say.

[SPEAKER_00]: No, I say.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, bye, all right, lock up, set it enough.

[SPEAKER_00]: Christ, I've been talking for like two hours here.

[SPEAKER_00]: Big love, everybody, take care of yourselves.

[SPEAKER_00]: And if you don't feel like taking care of yourself, little in, take care of the ones you love, through taking care of yourself.