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Executive Disorder, our weekly newscast covering what's happening in the White House, the crumbling world, and what it means for you.

I'm Garrison Davis.

Today I'm joined by James Stout, Mio Wong, Robert Evans, and Margaret Kiljoy.

This episode, we.

Are covering the week of January fourteenth to January twenty.

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Minnesota.

Yeah, let's turn to Minneapolis.

The continuing ice raids in the fallout from ice killing Renee Good.

Yeah.

On Wednesday, January fourteenth, ICE agents attempted to pull over a vehicle whose tag was registered to someone illegally in the country.

The driver was not the owner of the vehicle and tried to evade arrest.

After a fifteen to twenty minute car chase, the driver crashed into a light pole, but continued to run on foot.

The man ran towards a nearby apartment building, with agents now chasing on foot, catching up with him after the man tripped and fell a federal Affidavid claims that another man watching from a porch named Julio Caesar Sosa Seles used a broom to assault the agents, while an unnamed individual hit the agents with a snow shovel.

After the man they were chasing freed himself, one of the ICE agents fired his pistol, hitting Soceles who was then hospitalized with a non life threatening injury.

This information is from an FBI report, which contradicts initial statements made by DHS, which claimed that Ice was conducting a targeted traffic stop for Julio Caesar Sosaceles of Venezuelan National COOL.

I think it's worth noting that this is essentially Ice shooting the guy who saves the day at the end of home alone, just as as a quick note, that's all I got to say.

So, we haven't gotten very much good information about the shooting that's not from the government.

What we do have is there is a livestream Facebook video of some of the nine to one one call at the family member's maids and I'm just going to quote from CNN here In the video, the family tells a nine to eleven dispatcher that agent shot so to sell Us as he tried to enter his home.

They were following my husband for about thirty minutes.

They were trying to crash into him.

He arrived at home and because we closed the door to them, they shot him.

A woman can be heard telling the dispatcher.

It's not clear who is speaking or whether so sell Us is the person referred to as being followed.

So that's the only kind of independent thing that we have on this right now, which also significantly contradicts the story that they got attacked by a guy with a snowshovel or brime.

I mean, I don't think it necessarily contradicts that there was a shovel getting moved in the direction of an ice agent at some point.

Right, Yeah, attacked.

It may have just been a guy trying to create distance in space between itself and an armed man.

Yeah, knocked it over as he ran past it, right, and then they tripped over it.

Like, there's a wide variety of things that police officers have framed as I was assaulted with this, and then if you look at the video, it does not look like someone assaulting a police officer.

Yeah.

They might have just literally been a snowshovel on the porch on a slip.

They might have assaulted a police officer.

Yeah, I don't care either way.

I'm just saying we don't know what happened.

Yeah.

The main report, which is in federal court documents that were unsealed on Tuesday, have this FBI agent giving his report based on his knowledge of the incident.

Which had ICE chasing someone that bystanders used a broom and a shovel trying to get the agents off a man who was tackled on the ground.

One ICE agent deflected a shovel blow and it created a small gash in his hand.

The men that they were pacing was able to free himself from being held, and as that man was running away, an agent fired epistol.

That is the the like most detailed report that we have at the moment.

Yeah, sure, And like we can't CATEGORICI say, what happened?

Right, You can't report on law enforcement testimony as your only source, or you shouldn't.

Yeah, sure, shouldn't.

I guess I can say that, Like I'm in Minneapolis right now, right, and so Margaret, you're comfortable with me saying you're also in Minneapolis.

It's true, I am in Minneapolis right now.

Yeah, co located.

As they say, it's very hard to report on these things because essentially they happen extremely quickly, right and like on almost every corner in most of the like dense urban parts of town, there are people hanging out just trying to keep their neighbors safe, and these things happen so fast that big crowds aren't even able to gather for the most part.

If you combine that with the fact that these I say, you generally aren't wearing body worn cameras, You're only going to get a couple of accounts, and it's going to end up and he said, she said right, right, and then they're going to go with the law enforcement testimony, which is what they want, which is exactly yep.

And I think it is also worth noting that the last three shootings that we've gotten, like the Federal Ation's led about what happened, Yeah, and we've got the videos later on it, it showed that they were lying about it.

So at this point my default assumption is that, absent other information, they are not telling the truth.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Also they're framing the Asians, framing his decisan to fire as related to being afraid of his life, and yeah, in that document, the fear would be based on the presence of a broom handle, and it is it is a broom based assault that he cites as the reason that he fired.

Yeah, it's someone running away.

Right, And the woman who says that her son was the one being pursued by ice, I'm just going to read the quote here because this is something that does directly contradict the testimony.

But in an interview with CNN, Mabel Lajorna, the mother of Alfredo Alejandro Aljoerno, disputed both of those claims on the basis of her connection with her son.

Immediately after the shooting.

Aljorna said her son told her he was the one being pursued on foot by ICE and that the other guy was already inside the building when the agent shot him, not outside where I said the agent fired the shot.

Geez.

Yeah.

Yeah, So that's the testimony that we have that's not from the ICE people, and I think we'll figure out in the coming weeks, like what happened.

Yeah, maybe maybe.

Three people were arrested after this incident.

The person that they were chasing, who they have claimed two different people at some point, the man that Mea just referenced, as well as the person who was shot.

And there's also this third individual who is allegedly the shovel wielder, which is not named in the FBI AFFI David, Yeah, but all of these three people have been arrested.

During a protest that same night, dozen of people broke into two parked FBI vehicles finding Challenge coins and US Marshall documents.

One person has been arrested for stealing a rifle from one of the vehicles.

Bad Challenge coins, much safer, also.

Safer Today on Saturday, Governor Walls mobilize the Minnesota National Guard and place them on standby to assist local law enforcement.

If deployed, the Guard will be wearing yellow reflective vests to distinguish themselves from federal forces.

Yeah, that's this is an interesting moment in and of itself, just the acknowledgment from both the military command and the governor that like, yeah, you can't tell the difference between a soldier and a cop anymore.

Like we have to do this so that people don't think the army is the police.

Yeah.

Right.

And it's a very like oraboris moment too, because you have just like the cops are dressing up like the soldiers, So the soldiers are like, oh, well, I guess we got to change how we dress now.

Yeah, this could actually fuck up our ability to carry out our mission.

Yeah.

Further complicating matters, fifteen hundred soldiers from the eleventh Airborne Division at Fort Waynworth and Alaska have been placed on standby, with Pentagon officials telling CBS News that they are preparing to deploy to Minneapolis due to the eleventh Airborne Divisions Arctic Forte.

There has also been public speculation that this activation may be related to rising tensions over Greenland, but that has no basis based on what officials are saying at the moment.

A Sunday protest in Saint Paul disrupted a church service because protesters believe that one of the pastors is also the head of the Saint Paul ice Field Office, David Easterwood.

Easterwood's profile on the church's website does appear to match the identity of the head of the local Icefield office.

Later that day, Attorney General Pambondi released a statement quote attacks against law enforcement and the intimidation of Christians are being met with the full force of federal law.

Quote.

Of Justice announced that it was launching an investigation into the protesters, including TV journalist Don Lemon, who was streaming inside the church, for possible violations of the Face Act, which makes it a federal crime to interfere with people trying to access reproductive clinic services or exercise their First Amendment right of religious freedom at a place of worship.

Harmett Dylan, Assistant Attorney General for Civil Rights, has also invoked the Clan Act as a justification to bring a conspiracy charges against protest attendees.

Darkly ironic since this very protest was partially put on by Black Lives Matter Minnesota.

Yeah, that's also particularly well given like we've been driving around today and seen multiple churches with like ice go home kind of messaging.

Obviously those people are not going to be protected in the same way right if they choose to take care of migrants, Like I don't think I've seen any churches with like anything other than that messaging.

And in time cruising around today, I.

Haven't seen any pro ice messaging anywhere, any pro Trump messaging period.

I have never seen a more united this city in my life.

Yeah, it's genuinely remarkable, Like to see people who's I don't think they would like identify as having radical politics, but they are like out standing on street corners in the freezing cold just to try and keep their neighborhoods safe.

Yeah, this is the this is the warmer day of the week, and I went and got all this like extra snow gear.

And I live in the mountains, right, that is like where I live, and I'm standing there in most of my like extra snow gear, and everyone's like, today's the warm day.

Everything's fine, and I'm like, I need to get inside soon.

Oh yeah, I will die.

Welcome to walk in the Minnesota winters.

We're talking to a seventy six year old with no hat on.

Yeah, twenty degrees incredible, warmed by pure anger.

I mean that is warm, but she was she was ready to take on the world.

It was really Yeah, it's genuinely really wonderful to see, Like we went out, we talked to these people for a while, some folks stop by, and it's just feeding everyone.

It's really nice to see a community like entirely in lockstep taking care of one another.

And I feel like, to me, so far, like the actual headline around Minneapolis is that, like, obviously there's like these instances of really horrific violence coming from the state or coming from the federal government, right, But the actual story that so far, the people we've talked to want to get across is this.

They're like, yeah, yeah, yeah, journalists come here and just want to cover all the bad stuff that's happened here, but this horizontal organizing and this like feeling of togetherness and also more than anything else, like I think even when you talk about the bad thing that's happening, it's federal occupation, right, and like people are very very aware of the fact that this is an outside force occupying the city.

And and so even like anything that's happening, like individual bad actions taken by the federal police, I think it needs to be understood that like, no one here is buying any other line.

Besides, no, this outside force is here to steal our neighbors, right and.

Us You'll go past like fancy coffee shops and random like like businesses, like I've seen businesses before having signs that say like refugees welcome, and we cherish our migrant neighbors.

But the ones here also say like Ice get out of town, Ice, go home.

We don't want you here, Like people like yeah, yeah, Like people are not having it to a degree, which like I don't think I've seen that.

You know, I wasn't in Chicago during the time that Ice was there was in Los Angeles, But like every neighborhood here feels like the neighborhood's sort of most in lockstep in those cities, right, every neighborhood we've been to, right, like in heavily Latino neighborhoods where I live, Yeah, everyone's watching out for each other.

Meant in San Diego is that like here and every single neighborhood everyone is watching out for each other from what we've seen, and like it is folks of every age and demographic standing on street corners in the freezing cold, just pulling a shift to keep an eye out.

It's remarkable.

Yeah.

I was like, there's no way.

People are like, oh, every neighborhood has like a neighborhood watch, and I'm like, yeah, I don't know.

There's like two people per neighborhood wandering at any given time.

Like I was like, how can you watch a whole city?

And like, oh, the answer is everyone in the city does it.

Yeah.

That's the story that I want people to take from this, is that like nobody here wants this, and they're not just like angry and going on the internet.

They're angry and getting to know their neighbors, going and organizing each other, taking care of one another, and doing the things that they can do to keep each other safe.

During Trump's three hundred and sixty five days in office press conference this past Tuesday, he discussed the killing of Renee Good and expressed hope that Good's parents would continue to support President Trump.

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Yeah, come damn, I haven't seen it.

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And you know, they're going to make mistakes.

Sometimes Ice is going to be too rough with somebody, or you know they're dealing with rough people are They're going to make a mistake.

Sometimes it can happen.

We feel terribly.

I felt horribly.

When I was told that the young woman who was I had the tragedy.

It's a tragedy.

It's a horrible thing.

Everybody would say Ice would say the same thing.

But when I learned her parents and her father in particular, is like, I hope he still is, but I don't know.

It was a tremendous Trump face, and he was all for Trump.

I loved Trump, and uh, you know, it's terrible.

I was told that by a lot of people they said, Oh, he loves you.

He he was, I hoped, I hope he still feels that way or that's hard, hard situation.

But her father was a tremendous and parents were tremendous Trump fans.

I'd so sad just happens.

It's terrible.

What is there even to say?

You know, what do you?

How do you the fuck?

Yeah, it's it's interesting that he's he seems to be capable of, like legitimately being upset at the thought of one of his fans not liking him anymore.

Yeah, Like that's weird the fact that he like he brings it up in a way that suggests like there's no artifice there, right, Yeah, like that that's the genuineness of like, oh, he actually seems to be slightly disturbed at the thought of one of his fans no longer liking him, even though his secret police murdered that guy his daughter.

That's fascinating.

It doesn't change anything, Like, I don't know, there's nothing to do with that information, but it's a fascinating understanding Donald Trump's mind.

Data point.

Yeah.

No, it is one of the weird things where you kind of see him be sincere and genuine briefly, but it's for such a fucking.

Weird so weird yeah yeah, yeah, Like he understands that.

You're like, well, you know, maybe maybe he doesn't like me anymore, but I hope he does.

Yeah, this would be a reason to change his opinion of me.

But yeah, I murdered his child.

Yeah yeah, I don't know what else to say about that.

Yeah I didn't either.

So part of the whole reason why ICE is doing this operation in Minnesota, Operation Metro Surge.

This was started in part due to allegations of COVID relief fraud among the Somali community in Minnesota.

ICE Diructor Todd LLINs went on Fox News earlier this month in the lead up to ICE's mass deployment to address this.

You know, one thing we're really focused on is the fact that unfortunately, with Minnesota's sanctuary laws and jurisdictions, it attracts these type of frausts.

It attracts people that do.

Take money away from the hard working Americans and the people of Minnesota.

We want to help root out these people that are committing fraud.

And you look at the billions of dollars that potentially could have been stolen that could have gone to foreign terrorist organizations that we're really focused on.

So we're hoping to get to the bottom of that.

So as Ice is currently hoping to get to the bottom of this fraud problem in Minnesota.

Just this past week, Trump has pardoned at least eleven white collar fraudsters.

I think we can all agree the biggest problem with that clip was the TYPEO in ice at the bottom where they Fox News didn't put the period after the E in ice, but they put the period after the I and the sea.

I think we can all agree, yeah on it, Todd.

Actually, uh, Fox News is hiring a is hiring a graphic design position in New York right now.

So if you want to apply to fix the graphics, see you later, losers.

Yeah, can you use Chad Gpt They probably did.

Here's a job for you.

Yeah.

Let's go on break and then talk about as Trump calls it Iceland.

Jesus and we're back.

First off, if you need to tell the difference between Greenland and Iceland, just remember the words of wisdom from either the first or the second Mighty Ducks movie, right, Quack quack.

Greenland is icy and Iceland is nice.

Is the is the way to remember the two.

Well, you can't spell nice without Ice.

Roberts, that's right in Iceland.

Yeah, yeah, that's how you tell the difference.

That's a little that's a little tip for the president and everyone else, I guess trying to remember.

That's probably.

That's how I've known the difference my entire life.

And it's almost certainly because of watching The Mighty Ducks.

And the Mighty Ducks.

Yeah, exactly, exactly the Mighty Ducks films.

Sorry, yeah, shout out to my Iceland friends.

I enjoyed Iceland very much.

Shout out to whoever made the Mighty Ducks.

Yeah, I know, the knowledge of the creation has been lost in time.

It was actually the whole thing was actually a propaganda film by the Iceland tourist industry, A little known in fact.

That's right, big Iceland.

We are reporting this on the day that it looks like Donald Trump may have just blinked.

He put up a truth announcing that he had reached an arrangement with NATO and that tariffs would not be necessary against all of Western Europe.

Basically, it's kind of unclear the details of this deal.

He's saying that it's a big permanent thing.

The US is, you know, sorted out its security needs.

Doesn't seem like we're going to be invading Greenland.

But you know, it's also Donald Trump, so we could be in a very different position tomorrow.

But that's kind of the big update right now.

Yeah, let's talk about kind of the lead up to this moment.

I suppose sure, multiple EU nations and Denmark have sent troops to Greenland the past two weeks for the Arctic Endurance military exercise aimed at countering Russian security threats and to demonstrate that European NATO countries have the capacity to defend Arctic territory without the US needing control over Greenland.

Now, Trump took this military deployment as a personal slight and levied tariffs in retaliation, hosting on true social quote.

Denmark, Norway, Sweden, France, Germany, the United Kingdom, the Netherlands and Finland have journeyed to Greenland for purposes unknown.

This is a very dangerous situation for the safety, security and survival of our planet.

Those countries who are playing this very dangerous game have put up level of risk in play that is not tenable or sustainable.

Therefore, it is imperative that in order to protect global peace and security, strong measures be taken so that this potentially perilous situation and quickly and without question unquote.

He then announced ten percent tariffs against all of these nations, which would increase to twenty five percent next month.

Yeah.

I guess by my gut feeling is you know, to reef me no like it.

But beyond that, this is kind of just what Trump does now, right, is he threatens everyone with like whatever the nuclear option is, short of the literal nuclear option, which in this case is nuking global trade, and then it kind of blows up in his face because the EU actually has the ability to collapse the dollar status as a reserve currency, and the money wardens of the world are aware of that, which is why the DRAGT DOWT plunged eight hundred points yesterday and probably why Trump felt pressure to come to an accommodation with NATO.

I don't know that he ever literally planned on invading, although at this point I think you can't take that out of the equation.

But like, this is just what he does now, right, Like none of this is like it's wild because he might have literally bombed a fucking NATO member.

But I don't know what to say other than that, Yeah, I can.

I can explain a little bit more about the unhind series of messages that Donald Trump has been sending to various world leaders.

God we know about these because they have all been released.

Right, fantastic from Planetary Security.

Yeah thing, it's friend's text.

Well not just that, right, the Norwegians released the text that was sent by him to Norwegian Prime minister.

Right, Like the Norwegians, they're not normally like an impulsive nation.

That's not what people know the Norwegians for now.

They don't make big swings on the international scale very very much, but they have done this time.

So I'm just going to quote write from his message to Norwegian Prime Minister.

Quote, considering your country decided not to give me the Nobel Peace Prize for having stopped eight wars plus pluses all in caps, I no longer feel an obligation to think purely of peace, although it will always be predominant, but can now think about what is good and proper for the United States of America.

Then Trump released text from Mark Rutter, the NATO Secretary General, that read quote mister President, dear Donald, what you accomplished in Syria today is incredible.

We will get onto that.

Return to the quote.

I will use my media engagement to Davos to highlight your work there, in Gaza and in Ukraine.

I am committed to finding a way forward on Greenland.

Can't wait to see you.

Do you have the French text as well?

It's a French text.

I don't have it in here, but yes, the Macran text message I'm more than happy to read because that one was pretty funny.

Actually, so we are totally in line on Syria.

We can do great things in Iran.

Interestingly, none of these sentences end with any punctuation.

No punctuation, no punctuation Macran rejoicing.

It not helpful, so I'll just read them in one continuous breath.

Do you not understand what you're doing on Greenland?

Let us try to build great things?

One lowercase.

I can set up a G seven lowercase G meeting after Davos in Paris on Thursday afternoon.

I can invite the Ukrainians, Danish, Assyrians and the Russians in the margins two.

Let us have a dinner together in Paris together on Thursday before you go back to the US.

Immanuel lots of flowercase in there.

Actually none of the countries getting up a case.

Imagine setting your situationship this text and then he just posts it on true social Yeah it's so violated.

Well, that's what's so weird to me is that this is almost word for word the text I sent James.

It's true, I've posted it on a new website.

There are I do not understand what you were doing on Greenlands.

Yeah.

I love that sentence, just floating on its own like it's it's magnificent.

It's magnificent, and it's also like, yeah, that is basically everyone feels like, man, I don't know what you're doing on Greenlands, Like what is actually happening here?

I mean, what do you do when like there's a petulant child who also has a handgun or a nuke, you know, and you're just like shut up kid, Oh wait no you could shoot me.

No, it's time for nap.

Yeah.

This is why I have, like you know how hotels have those like little sprinklers in the roof.

I've got one of those to be just for cs gas.

Yeah, yeah, just to keep just to clear out the house in case, you know, you gotta calm everybody down.

That's what we need for the country.

Yeah, yeah, we only need little holiday.

Let's talk about Greenland, right, Greenland's a semi autonomous territory of Denmark.

It was a colony and then over the twentieth century Greenlanders became Danish citizens and now they have like the semi autonomous situation where they have a lot of home rule, but they are still part of Denmark.

Denmark, of course, is part of the EU and of NATO, so therefore they are part of the EU and part of NATO.

Right.

As we said earlier, Germany, France, Sweden, Norway, finn and the Netherlands and the UK have also very small numbers of troops to the territory in the past couple of weeks.

But the US is the one that has the most troops on Denmark, right, because the United States has a base.

They've kept this basis since World War Two.

It was there in World War Two because the Nazis occupied Denmark, right, and then the United States garrison Greenland because it does have like they're not wrong in saying it has an important strategic position right where it is now.

It's really well located and the reality of Again this is another mark in the column of like conservatives pretending climate change isn't real and acting based on the realities of climate change.

Because of the warming oceans in that part of the world, it's going to become much more navigable.

It used to not be as strategic because there was just less possibility of moving naval assets through the area.

And now that that's not going to be a problem because the world's warming and there's going to be less ice there, Greenland has much more a much higher like strategic value just in terms of like as a place to have as a potential naval joke point.

Right, Yeah, are you saying that the people who named it were actually being prescient ahead of the curve.

Yeah, yeah, they were ahead of the curve.

They weren't just trying to stop people from coming to Iceland.

They forstesaw it in the ruins.

So the US you speak, called Tula Air Force Base, and essentially the US has the right according to Defense Treaty creates Greenland to use Greenland to defend itself and to defend the Arctic, right, So what they previously had there during they kept the base during the Cold War because it was where they would be able to identify missile launches coming from the former Soviet Union was at the time the Soviet Union, right, and then they could intercept from from there with their Air Force base.

They now it is now a Space Force space.

Yeah, it's now the Pictrifix Spaceport Space.

Yeah.

And the US can expand or garrison this base as it needs to write, like the majority of Greenland, it's all occupied, right, but it is not like I guess, urbanized or built upon.

Right.

The US could expand this base, it could add more assets to this base, but the United States has decided that it's not enough and that it needs total sovereignty over Greenland.

So there are a few ways it could achieve that, and we should just be explicit about those, right.

The first is obviously by direct military action.

That still seems relatively unlikely, but who knows these days.

Hopefully.

Yeah, there is an influence campaign that they're trying, right, They're attempting to influence Greenlanders into wanting to become American.

The polling data I've shown so Greenlanders do favor independence, but yeah, they do not favor joining the United States.

They wouldn't mind leaving Denmark, and.

Also, overwhelmingly, when presented with the true between the United States or Denmark, would prefer to remain part of death.

Yeah.

Yeah, that situation right now, it's one that like they don't want to go out the frying pan into the fire, so to speak.

I guess, yeah, for reasons that make no sense to me as I text my friend about the doctor visit they can't afford.

Yeah, Like, it's interesting seeing as interviews where they like, why would we want that?

We've seen what you people have for healthcare?

Yeah, it sucks.

What is the appeal of being America?

If Denmark has any spaces, California you know will join you.

So yeah.

The other option will be to purchase it, right, which is not on the card.

It's like Greenland is not for sale.

So yeah, me, do you want to talk about this?

This tariff campaign they've been suggesting that they're going to leverage.

Wait, wait a second, what's that, James?

Did you say jazz jazz.

Part sorry, jazz rocking jazz bo by God, it's Mia Wong's music.

Yeah, I bet you would have picked that.

We asked me what she wanted, she wrote it so made.

She went into a room, she wrote down music notes on a piece of paper and she came out with something that turned out someone else had done it before.

Well, we couldn't.

We couldn't licensed Barracuda.

So this is this is what we got.

That we actually were not trying to make a parody.

This is one of those things like the evolution of the bow and arrow.

We just kind of independently recreated rock the kasba, but based around tariffs from first principles.

It's the carsonization of songs.

That's right, carsonalization of songs.

All music becomes rock the kasvo if you if you had given it up, give.

It long enough on the Galapagos Islands.

That's what we sent me here to write a song on.

She was on the Glapica Islands for a long time.

That's right.

It's very nice there.

So so speaker speaking of things changing very very quickly.

So two days ago, as we were recording this, Trump was interviewed about these terrorists he was going to impose by I think it was NBC see and he said, quote, I will one hundred percent.

It is not Wednesday, And he has backed off of the tariffs tomorrow.

Truly another day.

Yeah, who knows, who knows.

I think it's kind of worth noting as of right now when we're recording this, everyone is kind of treating this as if this is over.

But except for the German finance minister who said, quote, it's good they are engaged in dialogue, we have to wait a bit and not get our hopes up so soon.

Yeah, which is significant.

That's that's the smart play too.

Yeah.

Yeah, And this is significant because Germany, as we'll get to you in a second, Germany has been one of the major EU countries that does not want to deploy what is being called and I can't believe I'm saying this, the trade berzuka.

So it's called the to go today, it's called what is the trade bazuka?

It's okay, we're all asking ourselves that, aren't.

We Okay, So before we get to the trade bazuka, it's worth noting that in terms of the retaliation that has been being planned by the EU against the US for trying to do this, there's actually two different things on the table.

One is a.

Package of tariffs that we've actually talked about before on this show.

That was the package of tariffs that EU developed as part of the trade negotiations.

Well, basically it was developed in response to Liberation Day tariffs last year.

They'd been suspended as part of trade negotiations with the US, and the US and the EU had finally reached an agreement and then Trump said this and the EU backed out.

So who knows what the tariff's status is going to be and if the EU and the US are going to continue to have come to this agreement that was supposed to stave these things.

So these retaliatory terrifts were supposed to go into effect on February seventh, we had just negotiated it not coming in.

These are a bunch of targeted tariffs on a bunch of US goods that are specifically designed to hit red states.

The most famous of these is, for example, there's there's specific tariffs on like Kentucky bourbon and whiskey and stuff, but it also hits Boeing, a bunch of rude consumer goods.

It's just like chewing gum.

It's on roughly one hundred billion dollars of US goods.

I think the biggest pressure points here are Boeing.

In general, dynamics tariffs on car companies.

There's also very importantly there was a twenty five percent tariff in here on soybeans, which I think is a major leverage point because the US continues to need a market to sell all the soybeans to China.

It's it's not buying and yeah, China ain't buying them right now.

We just had another month where they bought none of our soybeans.

Yeah.

So these are the tariffs that the EU was going to put into effect on February seventh in response to the Greenland tariffs.

No, okay, sorry, back this up.

This is a tariff measure that was originally designed back in May of last year in response to Trump's original ride of tariffs, a Liberation Day tariffs.

Yeah.

So they've been suspended until now, and they were about to just not go into effect at all.

However, the EU immediately has been like, okay, maybe we are going to impose these ones.

Wow, got it because of Trump's new because greenlands leverage tariffs.

Yeah, I see.

So this is this is one of the two options.

EU has.

The other option and this is okay, getting those tariffs would be a little bit difficult, but that's significantly the more likely option.

The other option, the thing you've been hearing about, which is the trade Bazuka.

Which was also my my grinder screen name at the RNC trade bzuk.

You either get it?

Are you deaf?

You can?

This is great?

This is great?

Okay, So all right, what what?

What is the trade bazuka?

We're just going to move past that.

So it's what a lot of Republicans were asking themselves in twenty twenty four.

Oh God, diego trending term in Minneapolis, Org.

Okay, So the trade Bazuka is an anti coercion instrument that was originally designed by the EU in the early twenty twenties as a response to some bullshit that China pulled with Lithuania over embassy stuff in Taiwan.

It's a whole thing.

I'm not going to explain it here, but these measures are I think maybe the most extraordinary measures that I've seen.

These measures, if they went into effect, would be more serious than the Liberation Day tariffs.

They are very very difficult to enact.

They require fifteen of the twenty seven EU members.

There has to be an investigation process.

There's a whole thing, and the negotiations have to actually break down.

And this is where it's really difficult because Germany in particular does not really seem to want to do this.

However, Trump has played this very badly in the sense that two of his natural allies in the EU are the UK and Norway, who he just was threatening to leverage tariffs on.

So you can't part of the EU anymore.

But yeah, well for yeah, but those those are his two European allies, and the UK still has significant leverage inside of their Now what is interesting is that Fraun has called first deployment if Trump presses to, you know, move on Greenland.

So the question sort of is what does this thing do And the short answer is everything.

The long answer is incredibly long, and the medium answer is if you go read the document.

I read it, I'm going to roughly based by description of what it can do on Willer Hail, which is a law firm's version of it.

So there's ten things they can do.

They can put on tariffs, they can do import export restrictions on goods, they can impose trade restrictions in general.

They can impose restrictions on government procurement and contracts, and what goods are bought by governments.

They can do services restrictions, they can do foreign direct investment restrictions, they can do restrictions on intellectual property right protections.

They can do capital controls of financial services restrictions.

They can do chemical rescriptions and like sanitary goods restrictions, so they can stop the US from importing goods to the EU.

They can prevent EU governments from giving contracts to the US companies or buying anything from the US.

They can restrict American intellectual property rights, which I don't even know what that would do.

I think that means that they can all pirate whatever they want.

Right, yeah, right, that rules.

Spain did this for a long time.

Yeah, it's like we're firing the trade Bazuka and now you can use every Disney character like Disney would rise up.

Yeah, just flood the market with with Mickey Mouse pornography.

That is that is part of the EU's response package.

I mean that, no, that that already falls under fair you Strawbert.

Not the way I do it, Garrison, not the way I do it.

These are technically two different Mickey Mouses.

Technically this is no, no, no.

I've been very clear about which Mickey mouse is in my pornography.

So the reason this is being called like the trade bizuk or the nuclear option is that the actual once this is enacted, which is very difficult, the actual limits and what they can do are almost on existence.

They can once they've targeted it, it can kind of do whatever you wanted to do to the extent that they could in theory basically shut down all trade with the US.

Why didn't they call it the trade death star?

I zook is not thinking big enough, like that takes out a tank.

Jenny Whitely.

I think it's being called the bazuko because the people reporting on this haven't actually read it and have not thought through the implications of what this thing does, which is that, like Jesus Christ.

The trade mutually assured destruction device.

Yeah, yeah, it's.

Isn't mutually assured destruction?

Is that what this whole thing is built around?

Like, yeah, because the the EU's economy will also plunge.

But yeah, so this was originally designed around China specifically, but it's designed effectively as a nuke, right, You're not supposed to have to ever get to the point where you're invoking it.

It's designed to be a set of trade things that is so damaging that no one in their right mind would possibly risk it happening.

Unfortunately, our president is Donald Trump.

Heah, we are yeah, yeah, So that's that's that's sort of nuclear option here.

I want to mention one other thing which Robert Bluefly touched on earlier, which is there's been a lot of discussion of a quote from a report by the guy who is Deutsche Banks head of Foreign exchange Research, and he's talking about how much treasury bond is owned.

But you I mean a lot.

There are primary treasury bond holders, right, like the four In terms of foreign treasury bond holders.

Yeah, yeah, between that and stocks, it's like eight trillion dollars.

Yeah, and treasury bonds.

By the way, the fact that the EU is like our primary foreign treasury bond holder, like treasury bonds and foreign countries holding them is why the dollar is the reserve currency.

It's why if you are wanting to like ransom someone or buy illegal guns and drugs anywhere in the world, they're more likely to use dollars than euros.

That is changing, you know, in the in the international crime game, but the dollar is still the default foreign currency.

People are the world needed a currency that's universally valued.

The dollar is the best bet, and it's because of how treasury bonds work, right, Like, that's I'm oversimplifying, but that's a.

Big part of it.

Yeah, So okay, I'm going to read the actual quote here.

In an environment where the geoeconomic stability of the Western Alliance is being disrupted existentially, it is not clear why Europeans would be willing to play this part.

To translate this from like banking into what is he actually saying.

What he is arguing here is that there is the potential for these countries to stop buying US treasury bonds and effectively pull out of American assets.

It's not quite that easy, but this, this would be the what we was talking about is the is the end of the US all or as reserve currency.

And he's also very specifically this is about the fact that the dollar status is reserve currency, is a thing that is allowing the US military to carry out these kind of operations.

Up until yesterday when he said this, the only people I have ever seen actually say this are you know, I mean economist who I like as people like David Hudson, David Graeber talks about this, but like, this is a thing that you could only say if you were like a Marxist or an anarchist, and now you have Deutsche Bank analysts saying it.

And this is something that was impossible, like two days ago, that there would actually be serious discussion of, you know, using as a geopolitical tool like getting out of US Treasury bonds, which means ending the US dollar as a reserve currency.

And this was a big enough deal.

That the US Secretary of the Treasury is claiming that Deutsche Bank called him to disavow the analysis.

Wow, it's unclear if that's true or not.

But this, I think is one of the things that really panicked them in terms of why Trump backed off, was there are multiple nuclear options that are being put on the table for the first time ever.

And I think that that and the down route was enough to just panic them for at least one day.

And we'll see what tomorrow holds.

But yeah, this is a really significant shift in what is able to be discussed in terms of reactions to what the US is doing.

Well, you know what else is the United States?

These ads another flawless Robert Evans moment everybody.

And we're back, all right?

What else we got to talk to?

Anything else happened in the entire world?

I don't think so.

Yes, there actually there is two more Davos thinks very briefly that I think we should get to before we kind of end with some other updates on ongoing stories and situations that we've been covering on the Pod for a while.

But when Mia was talking about how this is this sort of analysis was only used by you know, like Marxist or certain tymes of anarchists before that is now getting kind of paid lip service on a national stage.

That reminded me a little bit of Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney's Davos speech yesterday whoo, which addressed some similar things on the fiction of the quote rules based international order.

Christ, holy shit, I mean I agree with that description of the rules based international order.

Mark Connie has been reading my book.

Yeah, let's let's let's take a lesson.

We knew the story of the international rules based order was partially false, that the strongest would exempt themselves when convenient, that trade rules were enforced asymmetrically, and we knew that international law applied with varying rigor depending on the identity of the accused or the victim.

This fiction was useful.

An American had geminy in particular help provide public goods, open sea lanes, a stable financial system, collective security, and support for frameworks for resolving disputes.

So we placed the sign in the window, we participated in the rituals, and we largely avoided calling out the gaps between rhetoric and reality.

This bargain no longer works.

Let me be direct.

We are in the midst of a rupture, not a transition.

Over the past two decades, a series of crises in finance, health, energy, and geopolitics have laid bare the risks of extreme global integration.

But more recently, great powers have begun using economic integration as weapons.

Tariffs's leverage, financial infrastructure is coercion, supply chains as vulnerabilities to be exploited.

You cannot live within the lie of mutual benefit through integration when integration becomes the source of your subordination.

Jesus Christ.

Yeah, it's really remarkable to hear the political leader of Canada being like it was always very clearly a lie.

The rules based international order, where the United States exempted itself because it had power.

But we pretended that this wasn't happening.

We like acknowledging that, Like we ignored them breaking the rules because it was convenient for Canada.

Yeah, it totally worked out well for us until now it doesn't work out so well for us anymore.

Like I should invading a rock It was fine, but now like, yeah, fucking it might invade us one day.

So oh yeah, it's really interesting, just totally pulling back the curtain on this type of neoliberalism here.

Yeah, I love too.

Every time you get someone who would never ever give, like anarchists or anarchist political theory the light of day, like independently come to a conclusion very late.

That is like that that anarchists has been yelling about for you, Like, yes, it's a fiction.

The rules based international order is a fiction all the like, everyone's playing lip service to these ideas, knowing the US has exempted itself because hiding behind the big guy is convenient.

But that's a bad idea.

The thing that people who knew anything were saying when we invaded Iraq, which was, if you let them get away with this, no one will ever be safe.

That's the way and all those people got pushed aside, is like, no, you're just being hysteric, Like you're just being like that you don't have like a real understanding of politics and how it works.

And there will never be any kind of reckoning of people being like, oh yeah, all of like the all of the people who were like inconveniently critical were right twenty something years ago.

They'll never say that, but it's fun to see them admit it, like, you know, kind of obliquely.

Yeah, it sounds like he's been reading Charles Tilly.

It's kind of kind of remarkable.

Carni did write this speech himself.

That's something that he has come out and said that this was not like some speech writer who's pulling from like whatever, like you know, Neil Liberal bookshelf is popular right now, Like he specifically wrote this himself.

Yeah, I mean he just crimmed from that book I read as a kid.

The Emperor has no clothes like clothes.

So before the announcement of this ambiguous Greenland deal, which neither the European authorities nor Trump has really given any details of yet.

But but before this, Trump did speak au Davos on Wednesday, where he confused to Greenland for Iceland and said that they called him, quote unquote daddy.

God damn it.

Play the clip.

I'm helping Europe, I'm helping NATO, and I've until the last few days.

When I told him about Iceland, they loved me.

They called me daddy right last time.

Oh God, very smart man said he's our daddy.

He's running it.

I was like running it.

I went from running it to being a terrible human being.

Very cool, mister president.

Yeah, based on the reporting acknowledging that he multiple times, not just in this clip, said Iceland when he meant Greenland.

Carolyn Levitt, the Press secretary, responded by saying, no, his written remarks referred to Greenland as a quote unquote piece of ice, because that's what it is, unquote, so saying that he was literally calling Greenland like an ice land.

Anyway, the emperor is totally wearing clothes.

I don't know what you're talking about.

What's that mon mothic quote about.

They don't even bother to lie badly anymore.

Yeah, Yeah, that's the worst excuse I've ever It's incredible ice Land.

I mean, it's got to be a remarkable thing to be in her position.

Right, and just be like, what the fuck am I going to come up with?

Like, how do I what?

What?

What are we going to spin here?

Ice paws?

Land, space Land, Yeah, Land, one word.

It's incredible.

Wait what you go?

Girl?

Go off?

Yeah?

Wow.

Later at the CEO reception dinner, Trump said this, Oh god.

We had good reviews in that speech.

Usually they say he's a horrible dictator type person.

I'm gonna dictator, but sometimes you need a dictator, but they didn't say that in this case.

Sure, my guy.

Shirt oh man, of course they didn't.

I wonder why.

Yeah.

Multiple times during this speech he was like, if it weren't for the United States and you'd all be speaking German and maybe a little Japanese, it's like incredible.

Yeah, how did he think?

Like yeah, how did he think that, like control was going to break down between those two countries.

Slowly giving Japan.

Right on Sundays it's Japan and the rest of the time it's German.

Incredible, Yeah, Japan pulling up like your deadbeat dad to be like, look this weekend your mind.

If it wasn't a horrific monster, be really funny.

We're eating sushi.

He's so funny.

He is.

Really he's our funniest president by a wide margin.

Evil, but he's so funny.

Yeah.

The way he pronounced dictator where there was like a slight pause.

Like he legitimately has good timing as a presenter, it's actually two words, Sophie.

He was saying dick and then tata, like the contraction of potato.

Like it sounded like he was giving a recipe.

I was like, what are we doing here?

Oh my gosh, here, do we have anything else from Davos?

No, I think that's all for Davos, one of the funnier Davos is in recent memory.

I agree.

Yeah, Now we.

Just have some sad news that James is probably gonna say.

Yeah, so, I guess if we start with a run right.

Protests are continuing.

The BBC had a piece today where they were leaked to photos of hundreds of the people who have been killed.

Jesus, there's three hundred and twenty six fight TEMs, including eighteen women.

The reason that they were able to get these images is it seems that people went to the mortuary and had to look through a slide show of the faces of people who have been killed, many of whom are so disfigured that they're unrecognizable and they have to flick through hundreds of images of these brutalized human remains in order to try and identify their loved ones.

Right, it is unimaginable the scale of state violence.

Godayin had an interview on his Twitter or his ex dot com right that with people with someone inside Iran, which I'd encourage people to read and which we'll link in the show notes.

But like, people continue to be in the streets there and the state continues to meet them with absolutely horrific violence.

And talking of horrific violence, I want to move now to Syria, right, specifically to Syria in Kurdistan and the I guess majority Arab parts of Syria that had previously been part of the Autonomous Administration of North and East Syria.

Right.

Last week we talked about fighting in Aleppo, and then we spoke about like fighting moving towards euphrates.

Right, fighting has now moved past where it was last week, and it's moving dangerously closed to Kamichhlo and Hesseka, which are the two biggest Kurdish cities.

Hesseka is not just a city where Kurdish people live right Arab people.

I mean not neither of these are right Arab people.

Are Syrian people, are Meinian people, right, uzds.

The Anes was a multi ethnic project like that.

That's what distinguished sdfrom from the YPG and the YPGA right, that they were multi ethnic, they weren't just Kurdish.

Yeah.

The way that this has occurred is that the Syrian Transitional Government has been able to flip multiple tribal groups who are mostly Arab who had previously fought alongside the SDF as part of the SDF right, but have now flipped to the side of the Syrian Transitional Government.

So it leaves the SDF with previously units that have been there suddenly flipping, and they have lost huge amounts of territory to include Raka, famously.

Former capital of the Islamic State.

Yeah, the former capital where thousands died both as a result of is violence and in the fighting for the city and a result as a result of civilians died as a result of coalition bombing during the fighting for the city.

Right.

There have been absolutely horrific images of the brutalization of the remains of captured YPG and YPGA fighters.

Right men and women.

We have seen executions.

This is not just that executions are happening.

It is that people who are fighting not necessarily in the Syrian Arab Army, but in at least alliance with the Syrian transitional government, have been so comfortable carrying out summary executions that they have decided to film and share them.

So on Monday, muslium Abdi, right, the general of the Syrian Democratic Forces, traveled to Damascus to attempt to negotiate a peace and was not able to do that.

It seems that he was offered some kind of position, but he didn't want the position.

There was not also some kind of autonomy backstops for the remaining areas of the AAN e S right, and so as a result, there was a general mobilization in the AAN E S.

People from Bakur so, people from northern Kurdistan have crossed the border.

There's a border wall fence wall depending where you're at, in between Turkish Kurdistan and Syrian Kurdistan, right, and at one point people have broken that down and young people have entered into Syrian Kurdistan to fight to defend the cities that are still part of the ANS.

The counter Terrorism Group of the p UK has entered Syen Kurdistan.

That's quite surprising, right, Yeah, which is the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan.

Yeah, which is an Iraqi Kurdish political party effectively.

Yeah, it is not aligned.

Oh yeah, they're not lefty, right or they're not democratic and federalist.

No, they I mean were at some point like.

They are now today basically like an arm of the Kurdish quote unquote state in northern Iraq.

Right, they were originally more of an actual political party and did have some socialist elements.

That's not really super relevant to what's going on.

Yeah, the ideology is not the same as the ideology that you have seen in im Rushaba.

Right.

Yeah, but like I have not since Kabani have you seen more unity of Kurdish people regardless of politics.

Right, Like a sort of statement from the Gasista, from Bazani, from Talibani.

So these are the two major political figures in Iraqi.

Cur is done.

I've seen Kurdish religious leaders making statements, right because people are afraid of an ethnic cleansing, because they have seen the ethnic cleansings of the Drus and the Alah Whites that have already happened.

Under the STG.

Right, it's worth noting I guess at this point, like for whatever reason, they have not chosen to remove the name Arab from the country's name, like the Syrian Arab Republic, And I think like that Syria is a multi ethnic and very diverse country and if it is to succeed under any form of administration, it needs to acknowledge that, right, And it's it's really worrying to see this horrific inter ethnic violence, and it is being massively accelerated by people in the media right to include a lot of like people who who might be referred to as experts.

I don't think that's a reasonable appellation, like there their expertise is pretty limited.

But nonetheless, people who like to include journalists, telegram influencers and then think tankers in the West.

People are sharing things that are either not true or that have not happened in this time, like telegram videos are actually not taken in Syria this week, right, that have taken different places and times, And we are careening towards this not becoming a fight between two different administrative projects, but becoming an inter ethnic conflict, right, And I think we're pretty much there at this point, and nobody seemed to be looking for an off ramp, which is tragic.

Like I was in Hesseica two years ago and I was conducting interviews there and a member of this little kid whose father had died fighting Isis and like it was dark outside.

You know, this was during a time when when Turkey was bombing the region quite heavily, and the little kid, I think had been struggling to sleep because he was sleeping in the middle of the day and then when he woke up, we were just hanging out with his mother and I gave a little kids some toys to play with that I brought with me, and like, I can't help but thinking how scared that poor little guy is now, you know, and he is his dad's not there, right, yeah, because like twelve thousand members of their SDF he died finding the Islamic state, right, and now another state is coming to put his family, his kid in danger.

Like that's horrific.

What people have gone through in Syria already is too much.

And like to see more killing and dying there is heartbreaking for me.

Yeah, yeah, it's very Briefly.

On the immigration update, it appears that immigration and Customs enforcement are now under the impression or there they believe that they can enter homes without the consent of the homeowner, so they can use force to enter in order to remove someone with a final removal order, so long as they have an administrative warrant that is a different thing from a judicial warrant.

Right.

This is often what people talk about when they talk about does ICE have a warrant?

They're looking for a judicial warrant as opposed to warrant that they have issued themselves an administrative warrant, and so this will obviously broaden the amount of places that they can and times when they end up entering people's homes by force.

Right, So we will likely be seeing more violence here as well.

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