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What's up, guys, and welcome to this very, very exciting Halloween edition of Bizarre Inquiries, the show where we let our minds wander, starting with a clip, article, or inquiry.

I am the one that some people refer to as Shane Squatch.

What is that?

Hi?

I'm the wicked leader, and alongside me I have the usual, the big bad boot out of himself, sir or in Felix steady, A little bit prerocative, a little bit halloween ish, a little bit scary.

I I got to mix all the emotions together for this one.

Hey, well that's a perfect encapsulation of me.

A little prerocative, a little scary.

I mean it works perfectly.

Look at you're at the black T shirt on over there, looking all sensual and seductive.

I mean ironically.

Look we matchday.

We're doing the Halloween special wearing all black.

We got our spooky articles and clips ready this one.

This one should be a fun show.

I know it's early in the spooky season, but I mean it's kicking off our what four week adventure of Halloween goodness, and this is week two.

Now I think of our Halloween goodness in.

Our house We've been celebrating Halloween since Labor Day, so I mean we were like a month deep at this point.

Yeah, I mean is what it is, man.

I mean, as soon as it starts getting cold out, I know, for me, at least, I started getting into the Halloween spirit.

I think I ended up decorating like mid September.

But at the same time, it's like, if you're gonna put the decorations up, I want them to last and feel like it was worth it, because I really hate putting decorations up and then having them only be up for like two weeks.

It kind of feels like it defeats the whole purpose, you know, like it feels like it's just too much at that point, like I want to enjoy the Halloween decorations.

Well, me and Jenny we're talking the other day, like it seems like society has pretty much moved to like a two party system now, like either you're a Halloween person or you're a Christmas person.

There's like no other options.

So we're Halloween people in this house, and it sounds like you are too.

So it's never too early to start throwing up those Halloween decorations.

I'm a little bit of both.

I mean, I also like the creepier aspects of Christmas because I mean one of my favorite Christmas stories is a Christmas Carol, So I mean I definitely get into the paranormal, creepy side of Christmas.

I mean, and crampis there's a lot that goes with both.

To be honest with you, I mean I kind of do both personally, all right.

So you're right down the middle of the aisle.

Then nonpartisan, nonpartisan like most things.

But getting into today's conversation and all the weird stuff we're going to get into today first and foremost.

I mean, I'm sure everybody has heard of the whole idea of poisoned Halloween candy, and everybody probably is curious where the whole concept comes from, because I mean, it's kind of become this thing of urban legend, as it seems.

But I don't know about you, Warren, but have you ever come across any poisoned candy personally?

Not that I'm aware of, a kick, so it must have been some good poison.

I mean, you know, different kind of poison if you get what I'm saying, or.

I've built up a tolerance one of the two.

Hey, isn't that what all the ancient royalty did for centuries?

You have a little tiny hair of the dog, a little tiny bit of poison, and you think that it makes it so that you're resilient to everything.

Isn't that how it works?

Yeah?

Yeah, that's why I'm still alive and kicking.

Well, getting into the origin of where the whole idea about poison halloween candy came from.

And we can go about this one of two wists.

I'll let you throw in an option here.

Either one we can watch a local news story about it, or we can just read through the article.

Whatever you think would be a better.

That's up to you.

We can just read through the article if you want to.

Totally up to you, man, I, Like I said, I have a local news story too.

Whichever whichever way you want to spin it, just got to get rid of this article in the process something.

Man, Well, I guess we'll start off with the news clip and if it ends up becoming too reminiscent, then you know, we'll hop into the reading the article.

But we'll start off with this as soon as I can get this stupid little ad to pop away.

Still haunts the Houston area.

Forty years later, and good evening friends.

I'm Dave Ward.

And I'm Gina Gaston.

He is being called the Candy Man, a passaiting a father of two who passed out poison candy to tricka treaters Halloween night, nineteen seventy four.

The only victim killed in that crime was his eight year old son.

Hi with assuse report of Poushia Loodia joins us live from the infamous neighborhood where it all happened.

Poosia, David Gina.

It's hard to imagine a more innocent and more trusting, a more American tradition than trigger treating.

And as you can see, it's still going on right here in Pasadena, but on this same street.

If you walk just a.

Few steps down, you'll find one of the most horrific, one of the most gruesome Halloween horror story ever recorded.

It was kind of a cold and kind of a misty, damp night.

It was forty years ago, tonight, a Halloween that changed everything.

Since it had been raining, mister O'Brien had raincoat on, and unbeknownst to his friends who he was with, he had the pixie sticks shoved up the sleeve of his raincoat.

Ronald O'Brien gave pixie sticks to five children, including two of his own.

His eight year old son Timothy, asked for one first.

He said.

The boy responded at the age some of it, that it was very bitter and it didn't taste right.

An hour later, Timothy was dead.

The pixie sticks were found to be filled with cyanide.

O'Brien claimed to be shocked.

He gave a eulogy in church that Sunday night that had the whole congregation crime.

Parents across the country vowed to never celebrate Halloween again.

This hole wro Obrian claimed to get the pixie sticks was shrouded in.

Suspicion someone take it upon themselves to take the trust and the fund away from a lot of parents and a lot of children.

Then police learned O'Brien had just taken out life insurance policies for his children.

Coughin an adding machine tape.

Okay, it had all his bills written out next to the numbers on I had a machine tape.

He had added them all up and it came to almost the exact amount of what he stood to collect.

A jury took less than an hour to convict O'Brien an hour and five minutes to sentence him to death.

He was just very cold and calculating, okay, and he saw a means to an end to get out of debt.

And it's as simple as.

That, Holloo is never going to be the same.

Never will be the same, not like it was before this happened.

That's scary, Yeah, definitely scared.

I mean, this was the origin of where the whole urban legend of haunted how of poisoned Halloween candy came from, And if I am not mistaken, I'm pretty sure that there hasn't really been any other reported cases since then.

So the entire thing started with a dad who tried to poison his own kid to collect an insurance policy on him and ended up getting caught instantly.

Because obviously, if all the numbers add up in the insurance policy that you take out is exactly the number that you have in debt, you know it's not gonna work out very well for yeh.

So, well, what's your thoughts on this one?

Man?

First off, I never knew what like the impetus of you know, the whole poison Halloween candy thing.

Was this is pretty crazy.

I think this should be like a more commonly known story, like how do we not have like a movie or like a Netflix series or something about this.

It seems like it would be perfect for something like that.

But they call him the candy man.

Talk about loosely based.

But yeah, what a fucking sociopath man, Like, yeah, you might be in debt, but to like literally kill your kid to try to get out of debt, that seems pretty fucking wild to me.

So yeah, oh, whatever this guy got, he had it coming to him, and yeah, just crazy story.

And uh, you taught me something today.

So one question I did have though, So you you know, you hear about the uh poison candy and then there's also like razor blades in the candy and shit like that.

Do you have any idea where that came from?

Probably honestly from the same thing, because I mean, like we talk about all the time on the Regular Show, you know a lot of these urban legends all start with one little speck of truth and then they just stretch out from there.

So of course, you know, people getting too razor blades, which almost seemed like they'd be less bad than sinide because you know, sinide is like undetectable, especially when you put it in the picture sties like this guy tried for lie, but like, honestly, I think it's one of those things that just continuously spread from there and kind of became a wives tale because of course you have to be cautionary of it.

But ironic that it doesn't even come from some stranger the calls coming from inside the house.

It came from this kid's own dad.

And yeah, just to add on to the story, because they didn't mention it in this article, but his own kids were the only ones that were affected by it.

Obviously, his son died and his daughter ended up getting ill, but she'd end up dying from it because she had a little bit more of the pixie stick.

But there was three other kids that also received these pixie sticks, and if I'm not mistaken, two of them had the thing where, oh, I'm gonna eat it tomorrow and they didn't get to it, and the other one actually got to a point where he started chewing it open and his parents stopped him and said no more candy tonight.

So if they didn't stop the kid and say no more candy tonight, there may have been well maybe a second slash third person that would have been affected by this.

But luckily, at least there was only one fatal death.

Not that that's a happy thing, but luckily this at least the sister survived.

The crazy thing about that is, you know, you would think if you were going to go to the links of killing your own fucking kid, I mean, why not kill a few more at that point, just make it look not quite so suspicious, Like if like ten kids had have died, they probably wouldn't have pegged it on this guy so quickly.

So, I mean, it seems like he didn't think this hair brain scheme through really good, but he tried.

He tried to get three more.

It just didn't work because the kids were smart enough to not eat the Halloween candy that night.

Man, those are rookie numbers.

He must have not had very much cyanide.

So apparently, don't look out for strangers.

But if your parents seem like they have some type of residual hate for you, then you know, maybe check your pixie sticks.

Make sure they don't taste a little bit extra bitter, a little extra weird.

If mommy and daddy are fighting about money, don't eat pixie sticks.

I think it might be a good moral of the story.

I'm glad we've got that established.

Well, now that we've put some some folklore slash urban legends aside and finally got to the speck of truth within it, I think that the next thing we should hop into is what you have for today.

So, without further ado, hold on tight, guys, Bizarre increase.

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Alrighty, So the article I brought for us to talk about today comes via screen Rant and it is titled quote ten Theories about the Shining that I'm obsessed with, even forty five years after Stanley Kubrick's movie released, and The Shining is quite possibly my favorite movie period, not just my favorite like scoopy horror Halloween movie.

So I definitely wanted to talk about something Shining related, and if I can roll in conspiracies with it, even better.

So if you already, I will go ahead and get rolling with this.

Yeah, I'm looking forward to this one.

I mean, at least for the Shining.

It's one of those movies that's so multi layered, because one you got the Stephen King aspect and then you also have the whole Stanley Kuprick aspect of it.

So I'm sure you'll get into it with some of these theories.

But there's a lot, a lot of layers to that film, simply just off the fact that Stanley Kubrick was the one that produced it.

Yeah, and we're gonna have a whole lot of kind of jumping off points to talk about with this one.

So all right, starting off Stanley Kubrick's cryptic not crypt did cryptic horror classic, The Shining is wide open to interpretation, and that ambiguity has led to the development of countless fan theories about its deeper meanings.

All of Kubrick's movies have ambiguous elements.

He didn't want you to understand his films at face value.

Is Alex still large really cured?

At the end of a Clockwork Orange?

Is the Star Child going to enlighten Earth?

Or destroy it?

At the end of two thousand and one A Space Odyssey?

But no Kubrick movie was more ambiguous than The Shining.

It's one hundred and forty four minutes of unanswerable questions and indecipherable riddles.

There are so many fan theories about The Shining that there's an entire feature length documentary about them released in twenty twelve.

Room two three seven analyzes every second of The Shining to uncover every hidden detail included in its run time.

And if you guys are interested in this sort of thing, or like The Shining at all, I would highly recommend that documentary its batshit crew in the best possible way, and I might actually like it more than The Shining at this point, So if you guys have not seen it, definitely check it out, all right.

So moving on, My personal interpretation of the film as a whole is that it's about alcoholism.

The fact that the first ghost Jack sees is a bartender who gives him a full bottle of whiskey on the house seems to confirm that.

But there are dozens of other theories interpreting, excuse me, the movie in different ways, and I can't get enough of them.

So I think this guy is dead ass wrong.

I think there's so much more to the movie than just alcoholism, Like that's definitely in there, but I mean that's like twentieth on the list.

Just to give a shout out to another really good researcher and podcaster.

I don't know if this was his documentary that was mentioned above, but have you ever heard of a guy named Ryder Lee, because he recently did a documentary breaking this down into some deeply conspiratorial aspects.

And yeah, I don't know if it makes reference to it in this article, but maybe I can touch base on a little bit at the end for at least some of the aspects I remember from him explaining on the show.

Yeah, I don't think it talks about this and him in this article, and I'm not sure that I'm familiar with his work either.

So if there's anything you want to throw in here as we're going through, feel free.

Actually it's called a Clockwork Shining.

To throw that in there, this was the documentary that he worked on.

I'll bring it up on screen for just two seconds before I bring back up the article.

If anybody wants another very very interesting documentary about shining conspiracies, this one right here at Clockwork Shining, done by Rider Lee, who is a fellow podcaster.

It's a pretty good documentary, and like I said, I'll make some reference to the theories on it as we get a little bit closer into this, but bringing back up to your article.

Sir, all right, So starting off with number ten, it was all a dream.

Much like David Lynch's own psychological thrillers, the Shining follows a dream logic.

Just like a dream, it doesn't totally make sense, and there are a few different ways to interpret what it means.

The most literal interpretation would be that the movie is in fact a dream it was all a dream as a cop out explanation for mystery storytelling.

But The Shining actually includes a scene in which Jack wakes up from a terrifying nightmare in which Danny was hurt, only to find that Danny is indeed hurt.

Maybe he's still stuck in this bad dream.

So to me, this one's not all that interesting.

I don't have a whole lot to add about the whole it was all a dream scenario.

Do you have anything you want to add on this one?

I think that this is probably one of the conspiracy theories with the least likeliness to it because it just seems like a very simple answer to it.

And I don't think that Stanley Couprick would make something that simple because there was a hole back and forth with him and Stephen King, because Stephen King was like, all right, this is my story, this is my thing, and Stanley Kuprick was like, no, this is my movie.

This is how I'm going to do it.

So there was this back and forth where things didn't stay exactly the same as the book because Stanley Couprick had his own thing going on.

So considering that, I don't think that Stanle Kuprick would have made his message that simple because how many times have people seen two thousand and one Space Odyssey and still don't understand it.

I mean, it's still one of those endings that is up for interpretation anyways, same with clapperk Cornch.

No, I'm with you one hundred percent, But the next one we're going to get into.

There's a lot more to unpack.

Oh, this is one of the fun ones, this one.

Yeah, yeah.

So number nine Danny's Apollo eleven sweater is Kubrick's confession that he faked the moon landing during one of several sequences in which Danny is seen playing with his toys in the halls of the Overlook hotel.

He's wearing a sweater bearing an image of the Apollo eleven shuttle.

Some theorists believe that this sly bit of costuming is Kubrick's subtle confession that he helped to fake the moon landing.

Kubrick changed Room two seventeen from the book to room two thirty seven, seemingly for no reason, perhaps coincidentally, the distance from the Earth to the Moon is around two hundred and thirty seven one hundred excuse me, two hundred and thirty seven thousand miles.

That got me caught up for summer reason.

I was gonna hop in and help you for a second there, But.

This is a fascinating theory to ponder.

Yep, got tongue tied on that one.

But anyway, what you got on this one?

I mean, I put a lot of stock behind this one.

But this also goes into the multiple layers that I don't think that this was Stanley Kubrick's soul message, but I definitely think that it was piece of the puzzle that he was trying to interpret because regardless of again I've said this a million times on the show, what you believe about the moon landing, whether we went there, whether we didn't go there, I still think that regardless, the government would have had fake footage to make it look like we made it there because we were in a space race with Russia and we couldn't let Russia win that race.

So regardless, I think that there was fake footage manufactured, and the debate is whether or not it was used.

But that fake footage one hundred percent, I think with san Ley Kubrick did, considering that he did two thousand and one a Space Odyssey I think right before that, which kind of led into the interpretation that he'd be able to do it.

So I think that again he filmed footage.

Regardless of what you see, there was fake footage that was and I think that he definitely filmed it.

So this is just piece of the multiple layers that are in the shining.

Yeah.

And like you said, he did two thousand and one in Space Odyssey not long before the whole moonlanding thing.

A lot of people have speculated that that was like his way of quote unquote practicing for the moon landing hoax footage.

What those shots are phenomenal even now, like that movie is yeah crazy.

Yeah, So the only rebuttal that I'll have to add is a lot of that moonlanding footage looks like shit.

If Stanley Kubrick did it, it probably would look a lot better.

It's easier to make it more believable, though, if it's more grainy.

That's the thing that's true.

But something I did want to kind of touch on here.

It says in the article Kubrick changed room two seventeen from the book to room two thirty seven, seemingly for no reason.

I don't know this for a fact, but I've heard in you know, some other videos and articles and whatnot about the Shining that I've read and watched and whatnot, that they changed that because the hotel where they actually filmed the movie at did not have a room two three seven, so they didn't want people like requesting that room, and they did have a room two seventeen, so they did that to avoid people like wanting to stay in that particular room.

Whether that's true or not, I don't know, but.

Just something I've come across, and just to throw in another layer with the whole Stanley Kubrick thing.

Obviously, the outside of the film was shot at the Sanley Hotel.

That was kind of the whole interest.

That was the whole thing that inspired it.

But he purposely chose a hotel for the difference of the inside, because of the carpet, and because the way it was set up.

But again, I'll get into that a little bit farther in, because if it doesn't throw this theory in, I'm gonna make sure that I throw it in towards the end.

But just keep in mind that he purposely would have chose this hotel for that carpet pattern.

All right, So we're gonna move on to another fun one number eight.

The Shining is secretly about CIA mind control experiments.

Which this is already leading into what I was gonna say.

So they purposely picked that carpet because it leads in with the MK ultra mind control concept.

So the article says, apart from the general bizarreness, look at their bizarrees.

There's not much evidence to support this theory, but it's become a popular reading of the Shining.

Nonetheless, when Danny first sees the Grady Twins, there's a skiing poster that reads Monarch.

This piece of set decoration stands out because Olman said that there is no skiing in the area.

A theory claims that Monarch was the code name for the CIA's notorious mk Ultra mind control experiments, which we talk about all the time on the show.

Based on this, the mind bending madness of the Shining is believed to be an extravagant cinematic portrayal of shady CIA mind control.

And this is partially what he ends up dissecting in that movie that I was mentioning Clockwork Shining, and it gets into it a lot heavier on multiple layers talking about this whole idea of him like walking rooms and then doors disappearing and seemly coup was very particular about making sure that his scenes lined up, so he would have done that purposefully.

Like it's a lot of stuff with like the furniture too, like in shots that cut back and forth, like a chair will be in the corner and then when like they cut back, it's gone, And same thing people say, like Cooper wouldn't have made those type of mistakes.

It's obviously there for a reason.

And just to extend onto that even more for anybody that doesn't think there's validity to this, think about his range of movies that he's created.

You have Doctor Goodlove.

Is that the one I'm thinking where it's already talking about mind control.

And then you got going in farther, you got a clockwork Orange Strangelove you mean, yeah, doctor Strangelove.

There it is, sorry brain farton on it.

And then you got a clockwork orange, which obviously the whole concept of that is about MK ultra mind control taking a criminal and turning him into basically this citizen they can't do anything bad.

Then you got even Eyes Wide Shut, which there's the whole conspiracy about that.

That that was around the same time that Stanley Cooper died.

And for anybody that you know, kind of followed his films, they know that he he purposely takes these points where he does these long monologues, and anybody that's watched Eyes Wide Shut knows that these long monologues were basically just completely taken out.

And a couple weeks before Stanley Kubrick died, there was a filming of his movie and he was seen coming out of the theater screaming and ranting about they edited my movie, they did stuff to my movie, they took pieces out of my movie, and he was flipping out.

A couple weeks or a couple week or two later is when he ended up passing away and then Steven Spielberg ended up taking over that film and all of those parts were purposely missing.

So Stanley Kubrick was definitely tied in with all of this stuff down to the point where he was connected in with the government.

He was doing projects with the government, So why would it be any different with the shining, especially considering that he had so many arguments back and forth with Stephen King because he was clearly doing his own thing and.

The whole eyes wide shut angle.

I want to talk about that again here in a couple of entries in this article, So I'm glad you brought that up now.

But anyway, I think those are all great points.

I think it also kind of gets back a little bit to your human experiment theory, and you know, like what is the government doing?

And you know, could Jack have been one of the victims of one of these kind of like extraterrestrial or high strangeness type experiments that you like to talk about on the show.

Or I mean even other stuff I talk about on the show.

Basically taking this one little component of somebody's personality and then using that as a token to be able to basically manipulate their whole mind.

It seems like also it kind of fits into the facade of that too, that they take his little bit of alcoholism and they basically use it to spin him completely around to the point where he's willing to kill his family.

And that seems to be something with these activated agents that are connection with the thechay Ultro and everything.

So again, like, maybe it's just because I'm.

A conspiratorial events or anything.

But yeah, now maybe I'm just more conspiratorial, But maybe it's also just because I'm a big fan of san Ley Kubrick's movies.

But this is the one that I put the most folidity behind as far as conspiracies go.

But again, talking about I think that he didn't just have one message.

He had multiple messages he was trying to do within one movie.

Yep, more than one thing can be true at the same time.

Exactly.

All right, y'all, time for another commercial break.

And now back to letting your mind wonder.

All right, So the next couple I don't think are that interesting, So I'm gonna kind of rush through those a little quicker.

Number seven, The Twins aren't Grady's daughters.

When Jack interviews for his job at the Overlook, he's told the previous caretaker Grady murdered his two young daughters.

So when Danny sees two creepy twin girls staring back at him in the hotel hallway, followed by a quick cut to their blood drenched corpses, it's easy to assume they're Grady's daughters.

But Jack has told the girls were quote about eight and ten, so they weren't twins.

This means that the girls Danny sees might not be Grady's daughters after all.

They could repers a memory from Wendy's childhood, Danny's relationship with his imaginary friend Tony, or something else entirely.

Again, I don't think that one's all that interesting.

I don't really have anything to add on that one.

If you don't, Shane, we'll move on to the next.

Well, just throw something in connecting in with the whole mk ultra concept and the twins.

You start diving into a lot of the mk ultra mind control concept, and it talks about this idea about fracturing the mind, and usually when it refers to adults, you end up splitting the mind into two, and when you catch the kids early and you start splitting their minds early, then they end up fracturing into four points.

So there's also an interpretation basically that these two girls are supposed to represent the splitting of the mind, because it's supposed to represent the same person as the two different split portions of the mind.

So the girls themselves fall in with the whole mk ultra mind control concept of the movie to begin with.

Yeah, no, that's a great point.

I haven't really thought about the twins in lieu of the whole mk ultra angle on this, but I think that's definitely a good reading of it.

And I wouldn't put it past Kubrick to have put that in there, because in the book, Danny never actually sees the twins like they're mentioned.

It's, you know, the whole story is told like it is in the movie, but he never actually sees like the ghosts or whatnot of the twins.

So that was a conscious decision on Kubrick's part to visually include them in the movie.

Like I said, to try to show maybe even like the whole fracturing of the mind's concept.

I mean, yeah, even with the whole red rum thing.

I mean, you got red rum, you got murdered.

I know that's part of the book, but I feel like part of the reason why Stanley Kubrick also tries to use that so frequently is because it also kind of shows the split mind concept of reading two things and interpreting things in two different ways.

So I just thought about something as far as the whole like mk ultra sleeper agent aspect of this.

So red Room.

You know, everybody knows murder backwards, but in the new, well relatively new Black Widow movie in the Marvel Cinematic universe, which everybody says is kind of used for disclosure.

So where the Black Widows are trained to be fucking assassins is called the Red Room, and you know that could just be a whole nother layer of this whole.

Hey, are these people being trained for some nefarious purpose and experimented on by some government agent?

Angle and again continuing on, everybody always has I have to point out the fact that he did Eyes Wide shutt and that was his last film before he passed away.

I mean that definitely gets into that whole concept too, So just pointing that out, just laying that down there I think he was one of those people that he got in bed with them, started working with him, started regretting his actions, so then he started kind of trying to out him in his own intelligent way.

Because I don't know how much validity to it there is to it.

I think it might be partially like an urban legend.

But a lot have said that Stanley Kubrick's IQ was ridiculously high, and the guy was considered a super genius.

Yeah, he was like a chess master too, if I'm not mistaken.

So I think he was one of those people that at the time was thinking three moves ahead of the government, which is why he was able to do some of this stuff.

And then they finally caught up with him again for Iedwi shut.

Forty years later or whatever, or.

It was just a matter of they made that move of basically saying sit down and shut up, and he decided to go outside and start ranting.

So they had to take evase of maneuvers.

All right, So we're gonna move on to number six.

Now, Windy is hallucinating the whole thing.

In the early scenes of The Shining, Wendy is shown to be deeply distressed about her violent husband and unsure of whether or not this job at the Overlook will be good for the family.

There's a common theory that Wendy hallucinates the events of the Shining.

It could be a projection of Wendy's fears about the job.

She's terrified that the isolation will drive Jack back to the bottle and back to violence, so she imagines the worst case scenario of a murderous relapse.

This would explain why Wendy is so cartoonishly mistreated throughout the film.

This one, I don't think is all that interesting either.

I think this is kind of right up there with that it was all a dream theory, So I don't have a whole lot to add to this one either.

Just to throw in some interesting and information about the film, did you hear about the whole way that she was like treated all through filming?

Yeah, basically like Kubrick was horrible to her.

Yeah, absolutely horrible to her, like treat her like shit, Like he purposely like picked her even though she wasn't the best actor too.

So again I think it was one of those moves that he purposely did.

And continuing out the mk ultrre mind control stuff, I mean definitely seems like maybe he purposely picked her to fuck with her head to try to show an interpretation of that happening as the movie's happening.

I mean, definitely possible too.

Yeah, for sure.

So this next one, I think is a really interesting theory and is going to touch on some stuff we've already talked about.

Number five, The Shining is all about sexual abuse.

Jack admits to hitting Danny, but his abuse could be much darker than that.

The deep psychological terror of The Shining could be a cinematic representation of Danny's trauma from being sexually abused.

The film reflects a child's idea of sexuality.

Jack is kissed by a neck woman.

It's full of sexual images, like Jack reading Playgirl before his interview, or a man in a Teddy Bear costume performing a sex act.

Room two three seven could be where the assault occurred, or it could represent the part of Danny's mind where he repressed the trauma.

So I can't remember what documentary or video that I've watched that they talk about it, But they also people have mentioned, you know, Danny's whole thing about Tony.

His like.

Mysterious friend, like the book goes into more detail about what Tony actually is.

But anyway Tony refers to or Danny excuse me, refers to Tony as the little boy that lives in my mouth.

And I've you know, heard people say that there could be like a sexual connotation on that too.

And then again the whole Kubrick angle he directed Eyes Wide Shut, which is about like you know, sex cults and the elite and things like that.

So it's not much of a stretch to go from child abuse themes to some of the later work that he did.

And I mean that's part of the whole mind splitting concept, like I was kind of mentioning, and this sexual aspect is part of that mind fracturing and mind splitting, so that kind of goes hand in hand.

And just to throw in some more about that wonderful documentary I was mentioning, he actually goes through and shows all the different like subconscious like fallus images.

Like there's one where he goes into the interview at like in the very beginning of the movie and there's something sitting on the desk that when the guy comes up and he has like his hands back, it basically looks like it's in the place of having like a giant phallus going towards jack.

I heard like the Apollo eleven on Danny Sweater could be like a phallus pointing up towards his mouth, if you want to take that interpretation of it.

Yeah, and then I mean, if you get into that whole aspect of things, when they purposely show the girls to him in this movie, it could purposely be showing like the parts of the mind starting to fracture, Like when he shows the girls, that's when his mind starting to fracture into two.

Because again, anybody that dives into this multure for adults is a lot different than mk ultra for kids mkulture for adults as a matter of separating them emotionally, so they detach the kids, you separate into four using sexual abuse and all this other stuff, so that basically instead of having this uh repressed Okay, so you know how, they kind of like train an adult where for like the military, for example, you have like your normal personality and then you have this like immoral personality that like completely shuts off that you can do all this amral stuff and it doesn't connect in with your other personality.

You know what I'm kind of referring to so with kids, they do this other aspect where it fractures past that where basically they instead of having this here's my moral personality, here's my shut off personality, they have this dark side of their personality, and then they have like a light side of their personality that they can snap back and forth with, but they're dark side of their personality they don't actually like turn off like their moral compass.

They basically will fracture into like this complete other mind of just like a dark psychotic individual.

So it is a really really deep come flex concept.

But again it could possibly even be showing the fracturing of that, because that is part of what the sexual abuse is intended to, is making it so that you don't feel any like connection or love or sympathy or anything for anybody else, and sexual abuse is a huge aspect of doing that.

Well.

Yeah, and like you said, I mean if Kubrick was kind of no pun intended in bed with you know, these elites and these powerful systems back in the day, and was kind of using his films as a way to pull back that curtain, I mean, it would have just stood to reason that he kind of knew about some of these sexual abuse things and some of the more ritualistic aspects of like eyes Wide Shut.

So I mean, I think that all makes perfect sense.

And I mean even connecting in on another layer two.

I know we're kind of talking about this separation between Stephen King and Stanley Kubrick, but Stanley or Stephen King still has a lot of his weird links to the occult, and supposedly he's one of the people that's not necessarily on the good side of all the occult stuff from a lot of the whispers, I thought, a weird child.

Sexual stuff in Stephen king books, like mostly in it where they have like the teenage org and the Sewers.

So yeah, a lot to unpack there too.

Yep, stand by me.

I mean almost anything that Semen King writes.

There's a lot of sexual induendo involving kids.

So I mean, just putting that out there, all right.

So we're gonna move on to the next one.

And I think this is kind of an interesting theory as well.

Number four.

Theseus and the Minotaur the Shining is believed to be a spooky reimagining of the classic Greek myth of Theseus and the Minotaur, in which Danny is Theseus the hero and Jack is the Menotaur, the monster that comes after him.

Where the minotaur chase Theseus through a labyrinth, Jack chases Danny through a hedge maze.

Jack, so called Kubrick, stare with his head tilted ford and his eyes staring Daggers is similar to the look of a bull that's about to charge.

He even does this look while ominously gazing over a scale model of the hedge mads, so just right off the rip.

It's interesting to note that the hedge maze is not in the book.

That's something that Kubrick added as well.

In the book, they're like, I don't remember the word for it, but it's like bushes that have been you know, kind of cut and shaped like animal and things of that nature.

I've heard people say they changed it to the hedge maze because, you know, movie special effects technology was not advanced enough that they could do that at the time.

But you know, this could be another Kubrick thing.

But something else I wanted to point out is we've seen a lot of connections with minotaurs with a lot of like high strangeness activity, and it seems like they're a lot of times associated with almost like incubus late night visitation, like kind of assaulting women in their sleep, in their bedrooms type thing.

So I thought that was kind of an interesting theory, especially in light of the whole sexual abuse angle.

I mean, I feel like we're just adding more and more layers of this movie, which is kind of what I was hoping what we would do.

But again, I feel like the whole core of the movie is basically supposed to be talking about mind control.

Yeah, I mean, excuse me.

It seems like the more we get into this, it kind of keeps coming back to that being the core theme.

And like we said, Kuperck's probably touching on all of these things on this list in some way, but I think the whole mind control thing and the sexual abuse aspect are the two that really stick out to me the most.

Oh yeah one, all right, So we're gonna move on to the next one, and this is probably one that you'll enjoy.

Number three.

The Horrors of the Overlook represent the horrors inflicted upon Native Americans.

When Ulman interviews Jack, he tells him that the Overlook was built on a Native American burial ground.

This was a common trope in eighties horror movies, also seen in Poultergeist and pet Cemetery.

Pet Cemeteries and other Stephen King adaptation.

Used real bodies at the end, just to throw that one in there, because that's always an interesting fun fact to throw in.

And they didn't tell the actors until they were already in a pit with dead bodies.

Well, that makes it extra scary.

Representing America's guilt over the shameful misdeeds of its past, The Shining also features plenty of art orc featuring Native Americans and the American West, and Jack makes a reference to the white Man's Burden from RUDYERD.

Kipling's poem about the imperialists.

The horror story has been read as a metaphor for America's past coming back to haunt it.

I'm sure you got something you want to add for this one.

I mean, I feel like this one maybe would be something more on Stephen King's side than Stanley Kubrick's side personally, Like, I feel like maybe in the original story that may have been an interpretation, but I don't think that would have been one of Stanley Kubrick's like boxes he was going to check for the movie personally.

Yeah, I mean, and like it says in the article here, like Native American burial grounds, that's just like a fertile soil, no pun intended for horror.

And but you know, the funny thing about it is we like legitimately talk about things involving Native American burial grounds and disturbing the earth with a lot of things on this show, especially like cryptid encounters, So that kind of becomes a chicken and egg situation.

I mean, is all this stuff in horror because there's legitimacy to it or are people just kind of you know, hopping on that bandwagon because they've seen it in horror movies so many times at this point.

I mean, I feel like the whole disturbing burial grounds thing was something that came before movies, and then it just became like a trope through movies, you know what I mean, Like it was always the thing that people had in the back of their mind that you don't disturb something's eternal resting place, but the movies just made it spoofy, and then the eighties just put it as every single movie just have a blake statement on why a place is haunted because you just say Native American burial ground in a movie and then you don't need any more explanation past that.

That's just boom, that's it.

Boom.

Yeah.

Like like you said, I feel like human beings have always had, you know, the where with all you don't disrupt the dead and places of burial and things like that.

But I think the whole Native American burial ground thing has probably largely been exacerbated by you know, popular movies and media and things like that, even though, like I said, we do talk about it a lot on the show, so that's kind of an interesting thing to think about in my opinion.

Yeah, like I said, I think it's more of like Stephen King's trope because he does talk about that frequently through a lot of his books.

I don't think it was something Stanley Kubrick was trying to portray in the movie, because Stephen King had little to no say in the movie, and you know, Stanley Kubrick made that very clear.

But I definitely think it was a theme that that Stephen King was definitely trying to hit for the movie, so multiple layers.

I don't maybe it translated into the movie because of Stephen King's intention of putting it in the original book.

Yeah, I think that's a good point.

Hold on site, guys, bizarre increase.

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And now we're back, all right, So we're going to move on to the next one.

We only got a couple more entries here.

Number two.

The horrors of the overlook represent the horrors of the Holocaust.

Alternatively, the shining could be an allegory for a different shameful chapter in history the Holocaust.

Jack wears a T shirt bearing the Nazi symbol of an eagle, while the German made model of his typewriter Adler translates to eagle.

The soundtrack includes a few unsettling post war compositions inspired by the Holocaust.

The number forty two appears all over the movie.

There are forty two cars in the parking lot, the Summer of forty two plays on TV, and two, three and seven from room two three seven, all multiplied to make forty two, which could be referring to nineteen forty two, the year the Nazis started the final solution, This one, I think is a bit of a stretch.

I don't see as many kind of rock solid connections on this one as some of the other ones.

What are your thoughts on this theory?

See, I feel like this one and the Native American one, depending on how you interpret it, can kind of be reflected in two different ways, you know what I mean, Like, I feel like you kind of had these themes and you can kind of see how they could potentially fit any group that might fall into that category, you know what I mean, like any repressed and.

Why I put a little bit more stock in the Native American theory, like you said, just the whole like recurring motif of Native American burial grounds in Stephen King's work, and also just the blatant Native American imagery that's throughout the movie.

I mean, the German brand typewriter and he's got an eagle on his shirt seems like a bit of a stretch to me on this one, but that's just my opinion.

I'm pretty sure Adler is probably one of the most popular brands of typewriter too, So yeah, I mean, I'm sure that was just like a I don't I hate seeing coincidence, but you know, coincidence.

Yeah, I mean, I think this is probably fairly far down the list of theories that I think are most likely, But this last one I like a lot too.

So unless you got anything else, we are going to hit number one.

Well, just to throw this in here, Apparently back from like nineteen forty two to nineteen sixty something, Adler was considered to be one of the most popular typewriter brands.

So, like I said, just popular brand that appears in a movie.

Yep, so even more fuel to the It probably ain't that talking about the Holocaust theory.

Fire there all right?

So number one, The Overlook is Hell.

One of the most popular fan theories about the Shining, and one that I'm inclined to agree with, is that the Overlook represents Hell.

It's a hellish place where blood gushes out of the elevator, ghosts have sex with each other, and the Torrentsas are seemingly trapped here for all eternity, being punished to no end.

The comparisons between the Overlook and Hell is clearer in Stephen King's original novel.

At the end of the book, a hotel explodes into spectacular ball of fire.

First off, I will say I think the ending of the book is better than the ending of the movie.

I understand just on like a filmmaking level, why they probably couldn't, you know, stage this huge explosion, But it is much more dramatic in the book than it is in the movie, I feel like.

But the thing I like about this theory is the picture they chose of Jack to include here in the article.

Looking like the Joker.

Well, because look at what his hands are doing.

Does that seem reminiscent of anything that we've talked about on the show.

To you Bahamet maybe exactly talking about the upside down?

Yeah, I would want to maybe pull up a picture of Bapphamet or the Tarot card the Devil for our viewers here, it's pretty uncanny how Jack is doing like the Bapphamet hands sign placement whatever here, And that gets back to yep, there you go.

And so for our listeners who did not listen to our Freemason series that we did, Bapphamet is this kind of demonic god deity thing that the Freemasons or excuse me, the Night Templar, who were kind of the group that the Freemasons came out of, were accused of worshiping.

So again a lot to unpack here gets back to ideas of elites and what all they could be up to.

But this you know, positioning of Jack in this Baphomet pose, that's kind of a smoking gun to me.

There's no other way to interpret that in my opinion.

Yeah, especially because it's that still shot and again going into eyes wide shut, all the other stuff that he was connected into.

And again even the whole health theory kind of still links back into this whole MK ultra thing because obviously all of that is basically a healthscape, the way that they abuse people, all the satanic abuse.

I mean, it all ends up coming back down to the same thing.

It's all part of these MK ultra mind control experiments, this advanced psychology and philosophy that you mix together to basically mind wash and control people.

Like, it's all part of the same thing.

And I mean, I'm still partially convinced that a lot of these like occult practices such as the baf met hands all this stuff it doesn't actually represent anything real but mainly just symbology.

For I guess you could say, like like like philosophical and and like psychology concepts.

I guess you could say, like, I don't I don't think that there's like literally like a Baphomet.

I think that it's mainly it was supposed to be symbolic of something like a lot of the occult stuff isn't literal.

It's symbolic of stuff.

Yeah, And like going back to this theory, I don't think necessarily the overlook it's supposed to be like a literal interpretation of Hell.

But like I said, this, this Baphomet imagery is beyond question and I think, like you said, it's more symbolic of thought processes and ideas that certain people people in power might have, rather than a literal depiction of, Oh, this is the devil and the hotel is Hell.

So again I think the literal isn't as important as the symbolism and the imagery here see.

And then the question kind of comes back to at what point was Stanley Kubrick with his connection to the US government when he made this movie.

Was he intending for this to be a film that releases information or was he intending for this to be a film that might possibly provoke and kind of kick people into it?

Like could it have been an mk ultra film to begin with?

That the reason all the symbology is in it again isn't to bring light to it, but rather to see who's gonna fall into it, because I mean, I feel like there would have been periods for Stanley Kubrick where he may have been working for and against But yeah, and this is, you know.

Much earlier in his career than Eyes Wide Shut.

So to me, it just stands to reason that he could have had very different motivations when he made the Shining than when he made Eyes Wide Shut toward the end of his life.

So yeah, a lot to unpack here.

Sorry, we went a little long on that article, but you know, you just can't stop once you start theorizing and thoughting about the Shining.

So that was a fun one to me.

I hope you enjoyed it as well.

Oh.

I'm always happy to talk about conspiracies, and Stanley Cooper kind of links into every other conspiracy.

So it all kind of works out in a weird way, and it's perfect for Halloween exactly.

So we got real world monsters, we got movie monsters, so now we got to move into our realm of monsters.

Are you ready for this one?

Or all right?

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And now back to letting your mind wonder I'm ready, all right, So this one is going to be a bit of a series, and it's going to get to this final point where it's something that a lot of people have been talking about.

But I think that we have a lot of good opinions to possibly throw in on it.

But the root of what this segment is going to be is paranormal police calls.

So I'll originally start with this paranormal call made into a police station, and then we'll kind of move down the list here and we'll play a game as we go through this.

Do you think that it's valid, do you think that it's real?

And what do you think it'd possibly be?

And we'll play this game as we move along the line.

But here we'll start up this first video sounds.

Good Unanswered questions After a nine to one to one call in playblow from a funeral home and cemetery August eleventh, just before three point thirty in the morning, the police Department communications center got a call that they refer to as abandoned, meaning the other person hung up, so they called back, got an answer and heard mostly static.

Back, Hello, that's scary.

He was soon now to check out the funeral home and cemetery and says it was locked up and dark with no one in sight.

You can hear the full nine one one call in the CBS Denver article met Yours covering Colorado.

First, So this first one, what do you think?

Do you think it's legit?

Do you think that it may have been some type of glitch or something in the system, Like what what do you think for this one?

This one strikes me as it could be just some very real world explanation for it.

This was seven years ago, just so you have an idea of phone lines at the time this year.

So I mean, it could be valid, it could be real.

The thing that's kind of interesting to me about it is if this happened at like a cemetery or whatever.

That gets back to ideas of like spirit boxes and communing with the dead and things of that nature.

But right off the rip, I don't think I put a whole lot of stock in this one.

What about you?

I mean, it's a yes and a no one just because there wasn't really anything recorded on the other side of the line.

I mean, it's strange that somebody answered the phone and that there was this inaudible grunting noise.

I'm gonna chalk it up to one of two things.

Either one, there was somebody who was there, and they just kind of answered the phone, set it down and put it away, and then they left.

And then the cops showed up afterwards, and they kind of never put two and two together or two considering this was a funeral home near a cemetery all that type of stuff.

I mean, maybe it was definitely a case of some ghosties tampering with the lines.

Or it could have been some medaling kids.

Goes dang meddling kids, all right, So hopping into the second one, And I know a lot of people have heard portions of this call because it is used frequently in a lot of different podcast theme songs, ours included, and I'm sure that you guys will recognize the portion of it, but I figured that we should do it just not a lot of people have heard the full call, because there's actually multiple calls with this one.

So without further ado, I'm gonna share you guys a sasquatch call, one of the most legendary sasquatch calls of all times.

Now, what are your putting?

I got a degree going on here.

Something just killed my dog.

Something killed your dog?

My dog?

What flying through there over the tree?

I don't know how it did it?

Okay, damn, I'm really confused now.

All I felt my dog coming over the pit and they would have did when he hit the ground, A teeny car and all that thought my dog coming over to pen.

So that was the first call.

And for anybody that didn't catch that, this guy basically called and said, I don't know what the hell just happened.

My dog just got thrown and it was dead when I hit the ground.

If you guys didn't catch that, And this guy's just nonchalant about it, But I guess you know hunter types.

You know, the dog's a dog.

Hey, maybe he killed his own dog for insurance money.

But he gave him some poisoned sanid sugar.

Sticks cyanide dog treats.

So here's a call too.

We got not one or nothing crawling around out here?

It was Was it a person or an animal or I can't tell.

All I know is that my central light came on and I just happened to glimpse and see this thing running across the yard, a good sized man or something.

It looks like a man.

I don't know what it was, just that it ran across the yard.

Okay, you've had problems in the neighborhood before.

Yeah, my dog was killed here just recently.

I don't know what it was.

Whatever it is, it's running.

I couldn't catch it if I was going to chase it or whatever it was.

It was standing up.

I'm out here looking through the window now and I don't see anything.

I don't want to go outside.

Jesus Christy, big care deal.

Hello, get somebody out here.

I thought up a bit.

Is about six foot nine?

I don't know.

Oh, okay, hang on, he's right.

Is he in your yard?

Sir?

Yeah?

Got he's big?

Okay, what's he doing in your yarn?

He's working it.

On foot.

I don't know what it's.

It's a big, real big person.

Until I can think, I'm yeah, i'd say it with a somebody really big here.

But he's all black?

Is he a blackmail or a white molt?

What is that?

So?

For anybody that hasn't heard the call, I'm sure you caught our theme song in the middle of that.

No, that's a pretty good one.

I've never heard the entire thing before.

That's pretty funny.

I think I put more validity in this one, just because how like nonchalant this guy is, Like if he was trying to, you know, pull one over on somebody, you think he would be a little more dramatic about it.

But this guy is just like so deadpan.

And uh, did I see correctly this is from like nineteen ninety, nineteen ninety yep, yeah, So, I mean this is a pretty good while ago at this point.

I put a lot more validity in this one than I do the first one, how about you.

I mean, this is one of those ones that I'm always saying on the show.

The guy never refers to it as a sasquatch, a bigfoot, doesn't want to refer to it.

He's just like, there's a big guy out here.

He's like is he black?

Is he white?

He's just like, I don't know, he's just a big, dark guy.

And he threw my dog last week, Like, what the fuck?

What is that?

That's rancid pixy sticks.

Yeah, that's how you deal with the sasquatch.

You know'll previously be throwing the whole idea that if you have a sasquatch on your property, you just gotta grab his dick and twist it.

No, the new idea is that you just give him sinide laced sugar sticks and that'll deal with your sasquatch problem.

On anybody's property, The question is what is the dosage take out a sasquatch with sinide?

Pretty a lot, probably, I'm not.

Assuming it's like probably like ten times the amount you'd give a person.

But I don't think it takes much sin and to kill somebody, So I guess.

It depends on how much insurance money you need to Can.

You take an insurance policy out on a bigfoot on your property?

There's only one way to find out there, like my insurance company tomorrow.

I'd like a cryptid slash extinct species policy.

Do you guys all for that for me today?

Mister Felix?

What the hell are you talking about?

I'd like to ensure the bigfoot on my property.

He's a family member.

We love him very much, and in case of his death, we want to be able to give him a proper burial because we don't know how sasquatches are typically buried, so we're gonna give this one proper burial rights.

I mean, seems legit to me.

I'm sure somebody will take your money for that.

I'm sure anybody would take your money for any excuse.

I mean, I've seen a few episodes of Jackass where they walked around with the grandma trying to get her stuffed at taxidermy places after she passed away, and it's pretty surprised how many people said, well, if you can get it approved by the state, I sure, I guess we can do it.

He man, economy's bad.

Get it where you can, money speaks man, and getting into the main point that I wanted to get into with this one, and the whole reason why I want to bring this up.

It's getting passed around a lot on a lot of like cryptid pages lately.

I heard our Big dumb Mouth reference it.

I heard Monsters among Us reference it recently, and it inspired me to show you this if you haven't heard about it, because it's from your home state of North Carolin, I know.

And this call is from two thousand and or twenty twenty one, if I'm not mistaken, so it's about three.

Years old, relatively recently then.

And the other cool part about the call is that there isn't only just the call itself, but there's actually the sheriff responding to the call itself.

So this clip is going to have like the sheriff responding to what he thinks of the call, the call itself, and then it's going to end cap with the sheriff.

But for me, at least it adds more validity to it.

But this is probably one of the craziest police call in stories that I have ever heard.

So without further ado, let's get into this weird one.

And if this isn't too far from you, man, maybe you need to go out and investigate this one.

Possibly.

I'll let you know.

It is very hard to listen to that call, to that nine one one tape without becoming somewhat unnerved.

It actually bothered me the first time that I heard it.

Dykay, now one one, what's the adject of your emergency?

I'm driving on two ten.

I just crossed the Black River and I thought I saw a guy expending on the side of the road bleeding.

Okay, where are you.

At, sir?

I'm on two ten, I just crossed the Black River.

I'm heading forwards fifty three D.

I'm so fucking scared right now.

I just passed uh Patriots watch Okay, see you're aver near Morse Creek, Joe.

Okay, and did you you.

Saw a man stand on the side of the road.

Oh my god, what the fuck is that?

Roll?

What was that?

Sir?

I hear that.

I don't want to bring it back just a hair bit because he is.

You hear a clunk in the middle of that, And I want to make sure that the listeners actually get to hear a clunk.

Make sure I got it up there you go.

Okay, And did you you saw.

A man stand on the side of.

The road.

Right there?

What was that, sir?

Why are you okay?

Sir?

There's something in the truck.

Okay, what's in the road?

It's on the water to my truck.

There's something in the bed of your truck.

Just just turned on my breat like my truck and something in my bread.

Okay, sir.

When you say something, what do you mean?

I just dropped it off to the butt of my clock.

And went over my room.

Okay, what was it?

According to the cab notes and the deputy reports, this thing jumped into the back of his pickup truck and began to actually beat on the top of the cab of his truck.

You could actually hear something beating on the top of the truck.

The caller stated that it was beating and scratching on the top of the cab of his truck.

He actually stated.

That he was able to engage his bedlight and was able to somewhat identify this object that was in the back of his truck.

At some point he was able to slam on his brakes and the force of inertia actually threw this thing out over his hood and onto the highway, where this thing stood up in the roadway, made its way to the woodline and disappeared in the woods.

It is very hard to and just to throw it in the lady.

There was a little bit more of an extension to that phone call, and the lady on the phone is trying to question him on what it was that was in his truck, and she goes, was it a bird?

Was it a deer?

She starts throwing all this stuff, and he goes, no, it's not a bird.

There's no fact, there's nothing else involved.

And she asks how did how he would describe it, and he just says, it looks pale, and that's the only like real description that you get of this thing.

But you know, every once in a while, dude, you come across those calls that when you listen to them and you deeply listen to them, they just kind of like hit you on a weird level.

This is one of those ones for me.

But I want to hear your thoughts on it before I go off on a whole thing about this one.

Yeah, this one definitely strikes me as more legitimate.

This guys like pretty clearly freaked out.

It sounds like that that's not human comment.

Dude, that's like what really gets you.

He goes, that's not human, that's not human.

And you know, I'm sure you're gonna talk about this more.

But the fact that he says it's pale that obviously gets sent to ideas of like windigoes and pale crawlers things of that nature.

I know I haven't doctrinated you enough because your first thought wasn't pale crawler.

It was Windy Go.

And everybody keeps saying pale crawler.

And this has been my whole pill that I've been trying to die on forever, saying that people are mixing these creatures up and that Windy goes pale crawlers.

We're all talking about the same thing here.

Something else I'll throw in, is it kind of is reminiscent also of a lot of do you remember when we talked about the the Lizardman of Skateboard Swamp, like chasing down cars and a lot of this type of behavior.

So just for curiosity, while we were listening on or listening to the video, I looked it up and this seemed to me.

This Moors Creek Battlefield that they're talking about, this is in Pender County, North Carolina, which is like southeast North Carolina.

It's probably like an hour or so from where I grew up back in eastern North Carolina, but like pretty close to the South Carolina border.

So you know, we've talked about the Lizard Man of Skateboard Swamp a couple times on the show now about how that was probably misidentified sasquatch sightings.

So just something interesting to kind of think about in lieu of all that, Like, you're not that far from South Carolina where a lot of that type of activity was going on on.

Granted that was a lot earlier than this siding, but still something interesting to think about.

So, at least in your opinion, do you think that the two events are connected because he originally calls and says that as he's driving down the road, he sees this man that's standing on the side of the road that looks like he's bleeding from his forehead and that is like clothes are covered in blood.

And then he like makes a direct eye contact with him.

He's staring right at him.

Because, like I said, there's a little bit more.

There's like two maybe two more minutes to the call, but there's that, and then there's the creature that ends up happening after he's calling to report the initial thing.

Do you think that there is a connection between the two personally or do you think that these are two separate events.

So my thoughts on that, you know, when we talk about bigfoot or dog man or things like that, there could be a much more you know, we obviously dabble in the woo woo aspects of all this stuff a lot, but there could be a much more biological aspect of those type creatures when we get into like windygos and pail crawl or whatever that is.

I kind of like the idea that, you know, what if what this guy initially saw was this thing like almost mimicking or trying to lure this guy in, and then when it didn't work, then it, you know, it took off the mask and hunted this guy down.

That's kind of what I was thinking.

I think the connection is that either one, you know, if this thing was whin to Go, pale crawler, whatever people want to call them, I think that they're talking about the same thing.

And I'm also kind of stating this from a lot of the listeners that may not have heard early in the episode that my main encounter that kind of sparked up me even researching a lot of this stuff was with this pale crawler wind to Go type thing.

So I'm speaking from a point of experiencing something like this.

But you know, either one, maybe it was the creature itself trying to look like it needed help to try to draw the guy off on the side of the road, like you were saying, and then attack at that point.

Or two, maybe it was a victim of this thing that it was chasing around, and once the truck kind of drove through, then this thing got distracked end up taking after the truck because it was something moving a lot faster.

But you know, I definitely think there was a connection between the two.

I don't think that they were too standalone events.

But the question is how are they connected and what exactly is a pale crawler slash wind to go?

Like?

How what is the interpretation of them?

Like, because like I said, I think that a lot of the time we're recategorizing something because windigoes kind of fell into this point of obscurity where they had this like deer headed thing and all this, and that was never part of the lore.

Like the original thing that the natives were describing was this pale, lanky, human like creature.

So it fits exactly what people describe as pale crawlers.

But even within that, I think that there's a split between like cave dwellers and pale crawlers slash windigoes.

But again, what's the level of these things?

What's the physicality of these things?

Is it something more spiritual where it has the ability to shape shift or change its form or possibly present itself differently, or is it something a little bit more physical where it's like a matter of I hate to use the interpretation of like a werewolf, but once you become one of these things, you turn into it and definitely, and that's just what you are.

Or three, there is never actually an interpretation of you turning into this.

It just kind of became part of the lore because we look at something now like where wolf and dogmen, and we kind of have him separated, like the dog men isn't a man that turns into into a wolf, you know, so they kind of the lore kind of split up a little bit.

You know.

Maybe there was this whole lore that was created saying that people turn into windy goes, but Windy Gooes were just these creatures that were there and they created the story afterwards, and there's no part of turning into them.

I mean, it's it's kind of a hard interpretation, but you know, of course there's going to be a creature sighting and then a bunch of stories that come after it regardless.

Yeah, I mean I definitely agree with you on that.

I think if like Windy Gooes, R and D a real thing, I would tend to believe that it's its own entity.

It's not that, you know, like you said, not some were wolf aspect that somebody can turn into one.

Uh.

The last thing I'll add on with this is I do think it's kind of interesting that this account happened while this guy was like driving over a creek and he was in the vicinity of a battlefeld.

Old two things that we talk about all the time that kind of thin the veil and are liminal spaces and places where a lot of high strangeness just naturally occurs.

So there's another feather in that cap.

I mean, if you're looking at it from that standpoint a battlefield, you know.

I know we already brought it up in the show recently, but you know, a Native American burial grounds.

Maybe you're dealing with something because there's a Native American burial ground nearby.

I mean, yeah, I hate to throw that in because we're talking about it being like a common motif, but I guess you kind of have to assess that possibly.

Hey, sometimes common motifs are common for a reason, that's true.

But no, that's a good one.

But yeah, have you heard this one before just out of curiosity?

I have not.

No, I enjoyed that one.

That's my favorite one so far.

Well, I know that there's a lot of people researching on this one, so maybe we'll have to do some more updates and maybe if you happen to drive past that area.

You'll have to keep everybody posted on if you happen to get chased by a pale crawler or win to go type being.

Hey, if that happens, you guys will be the first to know.

And moving into our last thing for today.

All right, guys, this is our last break, so hold on tight, and now back to the show.

I figured that, you know, normally we end the show with something a little bit funny.

We've talked about real world monsters, We've talked about horror movie monsters, We've talked about, you know, human monsters.

So for this one, I figured maybe for anybody that hasn't heard of this, you might be able to summon a spirit yourself.

I wouldn't necessarily recommend it, but hey, here's the rules on how to do it.

According to Joe Rogan, for anybody that hasn't heard of the four Corners game.

Did you know about the four Corners game?

It's a disturbing little ritual.

Some say it can reveal if there's a ghost or something not quite human as hiding in your home.

I'm not telling you to try it, in fact, I strongly suggest you don't, but here's how it's done.

You'll need four people in a room with exactly four corners.

Once everyone's inside, shut off all the lights, no flashlight, no phones, no candles, total darkness.

Then each person must say their full name out loud.

This part matters.

It lets any spirit in the room know who just arrived.

One person is chosen to be the leader.

They stand in the center of the room.

The other three each go to a different corner facing the wall.

When everyone is in place, the leader begins the countdown three, two, one at one.

Everyone moves clockwise to the next corner without turning around.

And this is where it gets creepy.

If a spirit, ghost, or something worse as present, a fourth figure might suddenly appear in one of the corners no one else entered the room.

They're just there.

If you see them.

Don't speak, don't reach out, don't even stare for too long.

Just keep going because sometimes one of your group vanishes.

If that happens, you must all leave the room together right away, no looking back, no second chances, and never ever play the game again.

Did you know about the four.

Corner thoughts on this one seems almost kind of like a new age, like Bloody Mary to me, But I mean, that's.

Exactly what I was gonna say.

This seems like, you know, candy Man, Bloody Mary type stuff.

To answer your questions from the top of this segment, don't put much stock in this, don't put much validity in it, don't think it's probably true at all, But I think it's something fun to talk about, and you know, this is the time of year when things like this are extra fun.

So yeah, like I said, don't have a whole lot to add to that one, but definitely fun to kind of hear Joe talk about.

I'm so fucking scared right now.

That would be my response if I was doing this circle game and there just happened to be a ghost in the corner.

Like it's one of those things that it's in the back of your mind where're like, ah, it's bullshit, but are you really Are you really polsy to palsy enough to actually try it?

Because I don't know about you, But when it comes to certain things like this, I kind of view it almost like the Ouiji board, where you know, people kind of interpret things as childhood games, but I don't know.

This just is one of those ones where it kind of has that they're facet to it where it doesn't seem like a childhood game, you know what I mean, Like, I don't know, Like Bloody Mary's one thing, but this just feels different.

And what's best case scenario here, Like your friend doesn't disappear and you don't conjure a demon like.

I just I don't really.

I think I'd enough just seeing without my friend disappearing, just just having something appear in the corner.

I mean again, is it one of those things that your brain is gonna just assume something's there because you're just gonna fill in the blank, or again, like what would you do in that scenario if something actually did appear?

You're like, all right, this is just a bullshit game.

It's how every you know, new age horror movie starts where they're talking about these childhood games and the next thing you know, you're all trapped into helpescape for the next eternity whatever you want to call it.

But yeah, I don't know, It's one of those things I'm not really willing to try personally.

No, No, I think I'm all good on that.

But uh, if you and three of your friends want to try it, Shane, I hope you're not the one who gets disappeared.

Well, the good news is I only have so many people over here.

You got Jenny, You got you.

I think you're a little bit closer to being able to play this game.

You just need to get Kevin.

Maybe don't have three friends.

Well, we got Kevin and then maybe me.

Maybe we can all try this one day.

And I don't know if it works long distance over what are we on right now?

We're not on zoom.

Well, next time we're all in a room together, we'll have to attempt this and we'll have to record it, and we'll all probably vanish and disappear, and it'll become this new thing on the internet that's amongst the Dark's Web that everybody thinks is a fake video, but all of us actually got kidnapped by a ghost or a demon.

Hey, circling back around to the top of the show.

If you're in crippling debt, no need to kill your children.

Just play this game and get abducted by a demon, then you're good to go.

You don't have to pay off your debt at that point.

Where's your kid go?

I don't know, man, I've played four corners and he just disappeared.

What the hell is four corners?

Don't worry about It's a ghost game.

He disappeared.

The fucking ghosts have him.

He's in the ghost dimension.

Don't you know how to get past that?

You have to go through the closet.

I think that's what we learn from Poltergeist.

If your child is ever trapped in the ghost realm, first try their closet because there might be a giant pink portal thing that might spit some goo at you.

You never know, and you might end up falling through the roof into your front room.

Who knows what.

Could possibly go on?

All right, Shane, you got anything else on this one?

Nope, other than don't try it, and if you do, please let me know how it goes.

I mean, anybody has the balls to try it.

I want to hear some feedback, so you better hit me up if there's any of you.

Left to tail the tail that's scary.

All right, Well, thank you guys for joining us tonight and listening to all this bullshit.

We hope that you guys have enjoyed it and we've kind of helped y'all get your spooky season started off.

Y'all can catch our next episode of Bizarre Inquiries.

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For a right.

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And with that, I hope that you guys kept it relatively spooky this episode.

I hope you guys are having a good Halloween season and as we get a little bit closer, I will of course end up pushing you guys a happy Halloween.

But just like I always tend to do at the end of every single show, I got to remind you guys to always always stay bizarre.

I can't remember go I normally say something for this show.

I think at this part where it goes to dramas, I got no Well, I got sound by, so that works.

That's scary.

What is that?

Fuck that.

Holy chef?

Hi, I'm the Wicked Leader.

Fuck you k your deck