Call It What It Is with Jessica Capshaw and Camil Luddington, an iHeartRadio podcast.

Well, hello, hello, Hello, Hello Call It crew, and welcome to another episode of Call It What.

It Is, where you can hear us and see us.

If you'd like to tune into YouTube.

Do you tune into YouTube to your pull up YouTube?

We sound so like old old Yeah.

Yeah, just log into a old dial up and then find us on YouTube.

Okay, Jessica, we are still swimming in Are you still in the Taylor Swiss shirt?

But when she sent me yes, why would I take that off?

Okay, I'm just, I just I'm noticing that you were.

You've been wearing it for a not normal amount of time, and.

That's a very clean person.

I keep it chic and tidy.

I see no reason to take it off.

Totally fine.

I'm living the life of a showgirl, Cameilla, I'm living the life.

Of a show girl.

Before we get into our guest, yes, can we talk a little bit because we did just talk about the premiere episode of Grays and nine one one.

I got online.

Yeah, I was doing my like looking around, looking at some questions, and I saw something come up.

A few times, and I wanted to ask you about it, and it was that people from the trailer were thinking that Leanne Rhymes's character Dixie that was not her son, Blue was not her son, that they were.

A couple, and it got it got everyone talking about the.

Ages of everybody because you could be dating half of these people that you're apparently you birthed.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, we this is don't do the math.

Oh okay, good.

The math doesn't math, and we're in Hollywood and we're telling hyperreal stories, and so I think we just stick with let's.

Not do the math, okay, and let's just lead.

Into the story because no, Blue and Dixie are not lovers.

They are in fact a mother and son.

Okay, so let's just okay, we're gonna aside.

We're wont that question.

Yeah, Leanne Rhymes her song.

Blue, of course?

Uh huh?

Was that the inspiration behind the character Blue?

Because this is something that I've wondered as well, and I'm going to get to the bottom of it because the first how I came to know LeAnn Rhymes was through her.

I think it was like thirteen year old voice singing Blue and she didn't sound like a thirteen year old, just like the soul and the oh no ye, the spirit of that oh, that voice was just unbelievable.

And it was called Blue.

Her first single was called Blue and her Son and the show was I would not put that above anyone.

And if it's not intentional, then that is some that's some universe talking to you, and it's got to be okay, find out for us.

Okay, Today we get to welcome.

Our first guest now that we've got a YouTube going.

I love it.

Anthony Hill.

Welcome to call it what it is.

Welcome.

I'm here.

I can't believe it.

You're here.

I feels so special to be the first YouTube guest.

Like, this is crazy talk.

I know it's big for us too, it's big.

We were working together all yesterday and I was like, and we were going until late, and I said to him even, I was like, listen if you I know it's an early like you know, jumping into a podcast tomorrow because it's like eight am or whatever.

If you if you need to sleep, I understand.

He was like, no, absolutely not, I'm gonna be there.

Oh that's why I love him.

It's a big deal.

Come on, now, this is amazing.

Look at y'all, man, you're killing it.

Oh my gosh.

Please.

Well, I love you.

I'm such a fan.

I love your character.

I love everything that you bring to it.

And I also noticed when I was doing my little you know, uh, digging around about who you are and how you came to be on Grey's Anatomy, that you and I share something in common about our journeys to Gray's, which was that is it true that you did not audition just once?

Oh?

Yeah, that's true.

I don't know this.

Yeah, I auditioned three times, we did, know, Yeah, and I booked.

I booked one of them at a guest star and then I was out of town.

Shut up which guest star it was?

It was a patient's husband and the patient had like worms in her stomach or something.

Thank god, you didn't get that.

Yes, I know, and I and I was like, I was in Atlanta and I was I was testing or it was a producer session for Life Sentence, which was a show on CW and uh, and I could not make it back.

They changed the schedule, as Greys tends to do, and tomorrow and I was like, I can't, I can't, And they were like Okay, we got to pass on you and go to the next person.

Oh my god, I was twenty.

Eighteen, twenty seventeen.

Wow, wow, Then our paths.

Could have crossed.

Yeah, they could have.

I was there then, very there.

Then it's crazy.

I feel like you're not the first person that's told a story like that.

Well, but I was going to say so, so, that is exactly my story.

I auditioned for it three times, and I think, but Jessica, you didn't book anything.

His stories, he's got the job.

Your story is that you didn't book it at all.

What are you ta You didn't have a book, a guest star.

What are you telling you about?

What?

I mean?

What?

It was not the same story.

As it quite a number of times.

No exactly, but the one that I don't know how how far you've gone back into the you know, the annals of Grey's Anatomy.

But one of the parts that I did not get was Nurse Rose, who was very very very very disliked because she came in between Derek and Meredith, which was like a few Thank god I didn't book that.

And then the second one was Melissa George's character, who was a friend of Meredith.

That came in, and also it wasn't disliked, but just was sort of short lipped, and I was like, yeah, who Thank goodness.

And then I came on Third Times a Charm as Arizona and was booked for three episodes and then stayed ten years.

So WHOA.

When you auditioned, did you know that you were coming in as Maggie's husband to be No.

Not at all.

It was supposed to be a little fling for the weekend at a convention, a conference set that Maggie was going to with Teddy, and it was supposed to be two episodes ish.

They told me possibly three and I was like, okay, cool, did one and then the pandemic hit and so is.

That how that worked?

You did one and then we shut down.

It was a standalone, so it was way before the rest of the season had been shot, so they aired all these episodes and then they finally aired the standalone which I shot months before, and the pandemic started a week later after they aired it.

Wow, So was there concern on your side that you wouldn't be able to come back like they would just like write you off.

I thought that it was a one and done and I was okay with it because I was like, that was a fun experience.

You know how we do.

We're always like validating our misery, and it was like.

You know what, this pandemics great, just rehearsing the tragedy of never being hired again.

Yeah, like, it'll be two weeks and you can and we'll come back for the next episode.

And then two weeks turned into.

A month and then yeah, it's like.

This ain't happening.

Then that's okay.

It was a fun episode.

And then yeah, well I have a personal question because I was thinking about you and Maggie.

I have two questions.

I was thinking about you and Maggie, and I was thinking about your wedding.

And you know how I know.

About your wedding is because I watched it and Joe Wilson wasn't invited.

And the weird question to you is why wasn't Joe Wilson invited your wedding?

Here's the thing, Oh, here we go.

What happened was quite simple, Okay, sure.

I look, Winston was new to the pint to the squad.

Winston would have invited Joe.

Okay, Now, Maggie is who you should be as my God, I the bus for most time.

Maggie was in charge of the invites.

I think so, oh my god, she knew the whole hospital.

Your boy only knew a couple of people.

Okay, this is right.

This is a solid point.

This is a solid point.

Okay, now this is gonna this is gonna be controversial the fans.

Do you prefer Winston married or single?

Because I have an opinion on it.

Oh, you have an opinion.

I also have an opinion.

I prefer him single.

He's a fun guy.

He's having a good time and he's like standing on his own in a way that's like interesting.

You know, I'm gonna be honest with you.

It felt kind of like a puzzle piece when he was with Maggie because he was brought on his love interest.

And that's completely fine, but he didn't really get to fly.

Yeah, he's kind of flying a little bit now that it's fun to play.

It's interesting.

I feel the same way.

Yeah.

In fact, I've told you that I kind of wish you were a little bit more slutty.

You did say that.

I did early on.

You're like and the season is young.

Yeah, yeah, I feel like you pitched it secretly because they can't slut.

You walked in for me and did that?

Did I?

I just went into writers when I was like, I got this amazing pick.

What if Winston is a slut?

Because they kind of and I just went up they kind of did that for a second.

Here's why I actually pitched okay to you.

I don't think I ever went to Meg, but I said or maybe I did.

Maybe I would have said it to Meg if she was around.

I wanted you to have this whole bad boy era because we hadn't had.

A bad boy on the show.

Like I feel like Mark Sloan was our bad boy, but I.

Can't really think of like that totally character being around.

You have to have so much charisma to get away with being he hasn't.

He's Hattie McCatty.

He has charisma and he's smart.

On the show.

I was like, this is our new bad boy.

But you're not a bad boy.

I mean, no, Winston's not a bad boy.

Let's talk about the premiere really quick before we get into personal stuff, because I do want to.

You do have some fantastic stories that you're bringing to the podcast today allegedly, Well, I think they're fantastic.

I think that they'll think that fantastic.

Okay, you did talking about being single way and to mingle.

At the end of the premiere you almost had a smooch.

In fact, I didn't remember that the end of the script was what it was, and so I fully thought in that moment you were going to kiss like.

I was like, oh my god, it's happening.

Because we watched it together.

Yes, we did a little screening.

Yeah, I think.

Yes, it was like heated.

I didn't expect it to be.

It was charged.

Well, you walked into that room.

You know that stuff happens in those rooms.

You walk into the room, small hospital, and it's going.

To be so yeah, I don't go into a closet somebody.

The hospital.

That's basically what they should be labeled.

It should be.

Yeah.

Would you like some extra syringes and some sex?

Yeah.

No.

When we shot it, it was I was just trying to be as president as I could because Addie is incredible and had an emotional breakdown in that scene, and I just wanted to be as president as possible for her.

I wasn't really thinking about the steaminess of it, which is why I caught me off Gard.

When I watched it, I was like, oh, that was sixy Yeah.

It was charged.

Yeah, chemistry.

I understand how it's funny when you are playing something and you watch your back and you realize it translates even more so than like when you're in the moment of doing it.

I'm saying it was one of those moments and I was like, oh, I like Addie was also at the screening.

I looked across and I was like, did we Did you realize that?

And I don't think she did either.

It was just beautiful.

It was it controversial to say I'm glad that you didn't kiss.

No, I don't think that's controversial because it gives we this is the show.

The teas of this yeah, yeah, Yeah.

It's been a slow burn and I kind of like that.

That's smart.

Yeah, it's a nice mix in the because there's a lot of quick flings also, and I like, I like the the balance that we got going on here with this slow burn with Winston and Jewels, and it's just it is charged.

I'm gonna keep using that word because that's solid.

Okay, what's his hang up?

What's Winston's hang up?

Yeah?

I think because he's your studied story lunch because he's.

I know, but the issue is like professional mentor mentee.

But it's an issue, man, And like, yeah, in the real world, I think you gotta you know, you gotta pay attention to those kinds of things.

Yeah, yeah, tread lightly and try to be as professional as possible.

That's not interesting, but it is interesting when they're charged.

Yes, yeah, yes, I'm not sure how professional we really are a grace lung.

Oh not at all.

You're kidding me, not remotely, never have.

You're the only one being professional right now.

But good for you.

Thank you, Thank you.

You can I do what I can.

I try.

We need to talk about the fact that thank you for saving my husband.

Oh you're very welcome.

Yes, link lives another day.

It's weird that I can talk about this now, I know.

I was like for a second, I was like, oh did I huh?

But yeah, yeah, you're welcome.

How were you guys really carrying Chris down the street?

We were carrying that man and he is he's like a heavy dude.

He's just a thick man.

It's like all muscle and like we were carrying him on this thing for like eight hours.

What the heck, I know, And he didn't sub out like somebody like lighter when it was like a tighter shot.

We were hearsed with a dummy and they were like, it's a heavy dummy, and we were like okay.

When they were actually were like god yeah.

And so we were in there.

It's this little cramped stairway.

It wasn't a set.

It was actually a little stairwell.

They couldn't squeeze cameras in there.

So everybody was just like it was hot and nasty.

Eight hours of carrying this man, he's all bloody and.

Like the yeah, he's chilling though he was chilly.

Matter of fact, I think he went like this a few times and.

So annoyed, just just chilling.

When he stopped for a little cry breaks yeah, yeah, it was we're all gonna stop for cry.

He really thought that he was going to maybe go.

He thought his time, and then he had to talk and he had to call you, Joe, and then you had to talk about how you need to get a dog for protection.

Well, what's interesting is, and we talked about this is you don't see the other side of these things being filmed like we read them.

And when I was watching it.

It was so much more gory and bloody and awful than I had even pictured.

And I just thought it was so because on your end, you're like, hey.

Like it, Yeah, you don't feel good.

I think like you, it's it just it's different.

When you see the blood on the steps, you like, that's like, this is like it's gross, Like it's crazy.

There was a lot of blood.

It might have been too much.

Yeah, it was tough not to step in it.

That's how much blood there was.

And they were like, you can't track it everywhere.

It's got to be a beautiful show.

Yeah, okay in this little cramped space.

But it was visually shocking.

Chandra, poor Chandra, who what is she?

Five to one?

Not even is one of the people holding Chris krmack down the stairs as the dudes as part of this.

Did you equal the weight where you're like you got to pull your way.

A little bit?

Did just understand you want to understand the dynamics exactly?

Know?

It was like it was like, okay, it was me, Kevin, yeah, Jason, and then we had a firefighter who's there?

He was you know, you gotta you gotta really look hard to find him in there because we kind of made the scene about us.

I don't know why.

Dot Chandra eventually was just like holding the wire, the bags and the lines perfect.

Yeah, yeah, that's yes.

She's smart.

She was like, I'll just hold these.

Yeah, good for her, you know what.

She's been on the show long enough to know.

You got it immediately.

This is how you do it, and I learned the lesson.

Yeah, yeah, okay, what are you before we move on?

What do you hope for for your character this season?

Smooch?

No smooch?

Oh next time you get the opportunity for a smooch, do you think you're going for it?

I think so?

But is it with but we don't know who it's with.

It's just a smooch, a smooch, an hysterious smooch.

There's gonna be more, possibly.

More closet, more sex closets.

Would you call it sex closet?

Maybe that?

But I would love I would love that direction for the dude because it's like.

It's time, it's yeah, yeah, yeah, you.

Know, I'm saying to be fun.

It'd be interesting to watch that play out, especially if it's with a mysterious person who knows.

Yeah, well, here's my note to you, as someone who's you know, no longer in the Grays universe, is that you do.

They can be a mysterious other person, but they've got to be someone that the audience also loves and will root for you being with.

Because that is that's the that's the Grays magic, that's the staying power, that's the glue.

The glue is if they root for you and they love you both, you know, because when you're on for a long time, you know, I had relationships that well, obviously a main relationship that went you know, ups and downs in all the rounds, and you have to take them apart to create something more you know, interesting, or give them obstacles.

But then it's really just because to give the audience the opportunity to root for.

Them to be back together again.

To yell at the screen.

Yeah, I was yelling at the screen.

I'm like, you need to give her her smooth someone died, Yeah, exactly.

I think we can also tease and I have yet to say this, and you've probably yet to say this.

We have some fantastic stuff, dramatic stuff together this season.

Oh my gosh, yes, medical, I'm not.

Saying I'm not saying.

No comments, no comments.

It's not the sex closet when Yeah, we're not talking about the subject matter, Jessica, we're just teasing.

There's some drama, A M A.

I don't know.

I'm just an actor.

Drama.

There's lots of it, man, And that's no joke.

And this makes me want to talk about it more.

But we can, I know, we can't.

We can't write.

Okay, I have questions.

I have questions that were sent to us from the listeners.

Oh really, this one is ridiculous.

Okay, is it true you wore two different shoes on your first day home set?

Good lord?

Yes, what happened?

Well, what happened?

Okay, this is simple.

I was getting dressed for my first day and I was all like nervous.

It was it was the pandemic times, so it was just a weird element.

Also, and I was getting dressed and I wanted I didn't know what shoes to wear.

So I put on a white shoe.

IU put on a black shoe, and I looked in the mirror and I popped one leg out, and I looked at me, and I pop the little leg out with yeah, okay, and I was like, I thought I'd go with white, and then I wasn't sure, and I looked at the clock and I was very late, and I didn't realize how Lado was and I freaked out.

I tripped out, and I just went out the door cool, and I drove all the way to work, just speeding like a fool.

Also, and then I get there and I didn't realize until I stepped out of the car, but I had on two shoes and they were drastically different, like white, black, different brands, just stood out as extremely different shoes.

And I walked up to meet the cast for the first time, and I was so self conscious.

Yeah, I made a video.

I made a video for myself just to help it.

And that's the thing.

People thought I did it on purpose and I should have ran with that.

Immediately, I was like, I sorry, I put on different shoes.

Well that's so wait.

Have you released this video of the different shoes?

Can you send us You have to say it right now, just think about it.

If you want to send us just a screenshot of how different these shoes were, we can include it in.

I will.

Well, I think from from the questions and from the research, it seems like I am with also a fellow Midwesterner, is this, where are you from?

Kansas City?

Baby?

Where are you from?

I'm from Missouri?

That yeah, you are from Oh I know, but it's so funny.

I don't know if you say it like that, but then whenever you say it, people are like, then, I've just trained myself to say Missouri.

But yeah, I was born in Columbia, but you're from Kansas City.

Did you wait, I'm from Kansas City.

Did you go to Missouri?

To MISSOI she went to Brownie Scholar, but all I have so much family still there and Columbia and Saint Louis and Chaffee, so yeah, yes, But would you go back?

Yeah?

I do.

I mean I was born in Springfield, Missouri, so Missouri mix, but I grew up in Kansas City.

I go back all the time.

I'm reading right now that you grew up in the same neighborhood as Is this true, Paul Rudd, Jason Sadekas, Rob Rugel on eric Stone Street.

Yes, what our neighborhoods is breeding actors.

And Heidi Gardner also in SNL.

We're all in the same area somehow, and like a few of us went to the same high school at different times, and then uh, but yeah, I went to the same elementary school as Paul Rudd years apart, and we were in the same literally the same neighborhood at one time.

It's just crazy.

So you have a great Paul Rudd story, can you tell it?

This is one of my favorite stories, and it's.

Pretty No, I'm not building it up.

Listen, we have a lot of Taylor Swift fans listening.

Okay, great Paul Rudd and Taylor Swift.

Everything is connected in some weird way through Kansas City.

Now.

So we've been to the Super Bowl like multiple times in the last five years, and me and my best friend have gone.

Every time this week as ABC is.

At that time, the ABC said, do you guys want to go to the Super Bowl?

Yes, that's okay, started it and then we've been going ever since because Kansas City.

I was a fan since I was a wee lad and like tiny and we were bad for so many years.

So now we're findly good and I'm like go, and so we went and this one, okay, this one was for this particular story.

It was in Vegas and it was two years ago and we just won, and me and my buddy were trying to figure out my best friend Alex and we were trying to figure out what where the official party is?

After party?

Yeah, where are the Chiefs players and everybody's going to be, because like everybody was there, it's a super Bowl.

And so I hit up the Chiefs connect that I have and they didn't get back to my fings were going on.

I guess they won the big Game.

So and so we were like, Okay, I don't know what should I reach out to Paul and see anything?

Like?

Should I just reach out to Paul?

Right, We'll get to why that's possible, But I mean, it's super cool Kansas City involved.

But so I text him and I'm like, hey, Paul, like, where's everybody at We want to celebrate the city and support the team like this is.

And he was like, Oh, we're so and so Hotel Casino and just come through and I was like, yes, we're We're on our way.

So we go and we get to the lobby and there's like hundreds of people in the lobby.

Hundreds of people just in the lobby trying to get in.

They know that the Chiefs are in there.

Not only that it's roped off, like in the in the lobby where the entrance of the players and the celebrities were gone, and there's like security everywhere and like big old dudes just trying to keep people out.

And so we were like this is going to be impossible.

But we go up to the front and we're like, hey, I'm from getting the City.

My name is Anthony Hill, and who cares.

It's like a hundred Kansas City.

Fans hundred more than that, like crazy, and my buddy like chimed in.

He's like he's on grazing out of it.

And the guy's like, I don't care.

I don't know who you are, rude, Like it was so humbling.

I don't know who you are.

I don't care.

Do you have credentials?

And I was like no, but and he's like get out and I was like okay, yeah, And I was like they asked me to come, and he was like, don't believe you.

Good try though, like he said, good try is crazy to get crazy, Yeah, And so anyway, I text Paul, I'm like, hey, we're outside.

The guy doesn't like that.

He told me to leave.

Uh so, and he's like okay, where are you at?

And I was like, well, we're out in the lobby, but there's hundreds of people out here.

You shouldn't come out here, dude, Like it's gonna be chaos if you come out here.

He's like, I'm on my way.

And he comes out and I see him by the little entrance and I'm like trying to wave and I'm in this mix and I see him take a picture and then they get a text and it's like a crowd of people and he's like, are you in there somewhere, dude, where are you?

I'll try I'll come find you.

And I like, I saw myself in the picture.

I was zoomed in and I circled myself and I sent it back to him.

And then I see him get the text and look up and I see him be like oh.

And he comes across the lot justly a genius way to find someone that.

Move.

And he comes across the lobby and people start freaking out because it's Paul Rudd and they're like yelling quotes from like Anchorman and like people are trying to get selfies and like they're trying to cross the barrier.

Security comes over and he's like, come on, come on, come on, and I'm like I can't get through.

I don't know what and he's like come on.

And security comes over and they're like, is there a problem, mister Rudd, and he's like, yeah, there is a problem.

And it's the same security and this is Anthony Hill.

He's one of the stars of Gray's Anatomy.

He's from Kansas City and he's supposed to be in there with us.

And the guy goes, oh, I'm I'm so sorry, mister Rud.

I didn't I'm sorry, and he takes the like the barrier up and he comes through.

He's like, I'm so sorry, Anthony Ann And I was like it took everything in me, like you should opportunity to but I was like I was like, oh, it's cool, it's cool.

I was like so solved about it, like I should have been.

That was my chance, you know.

But anyway, they let us in and we get the first thing we see like post Malones on stage and we're like in the front row and Taylor is up there with Travis and they're being all lovey and like everybody.

Patrick gets on the mike.

Patrick mahomes and he's talking and like giving a hype speech, they got the trophy in there, Paul rud is pouring us or drink and I'm just like, me and my buddy are just like, how the hell this is phenomenal?

And we just kind of toasted to the moment because that's how dope the moment was.

And like, did you get to talk to the team?

Oh yeah, yeah, I mean I see Patrick, So you are.

You literally friends with some of this team.

I wouldn't say friends, I would say like acquaintances for sure, Like we see each other, We're gonna it's all dapts in the hugs and love and yeah, good conversations, like.

Taylor, are you going to get an invite to the wedding?

That's why I'm getting at the.

Very very back row.

Nosebleed.

Maybe, no, the nosebleed.

Yeah, I think that that's fine.

That sounds like, I mean, are you that's the question.

Are y'all?

Are you saying there's a chance Jessica, Maybe there's a chance me only if I'm her plus one or your plus one?

Oh my god, thank you for inviting me.

We're gonna wear We're gonna wear red.

No.

I think I think like every summer, we do Big Slick and the Big Slick is a is a charity event for pediatric cancer and it's like Children's Mercy Hospital is the hospital in Kansas City.

And so all those guys that you just said are from Kansas City.

Paul rud, Eric stone Street, Jason said Aikish, David Keckner, and Rob Wriggle all made this charity years ago and it's just grown and grown and grown because they keep inviting their friends to come.

Yeah, Jessica, you should go because your peeds on Gray's anatomy.

Yeah, I would get her to go.

Everybody should go, Like it would be so funny we're going.

They would love it, they would love me.

I would look really cool if I brought Let's do it.

But like we go visit the hospital and we talked to the talk to the kids, and then there's like a celebrity softball game where nobody's good and you just kind.

Of you and we be playing with Patrick Mahomes.

Yeah, yo, do it.

You can do this?

Yes, crazy, Yes we can't.

But you also played football, right?

I played football?

Yeah?

College?

Yeah, I played at Oklahoma State.

Like he's a stranger to it, you know, yo.

One of the I played, I made a play and I got lifted in the air like after the play because then we were celebrating, and I just hear you got a big dog, a big dog, And I was like, what in the world.

And somebody puts me down and it's Patrick mahomes No and he's like, oh, that's a hell of a like a hell of and I was like, any part.

Of you that's n Like, can I be on the team?

I was like, I'm cool now this is my Yeah.

It was like the one moment where I was like, this is the closest I'm gonna be, like playing a sport with Pat mahomes I love that.

Yeah.

So that's the kind of stuff that can happen if you go to Big Slick and we met a concert on Saturday nights and like these musicians and magicians and comedians.

And god, this is amazing.

It's incredible.

We sell out the Sprint Center, which is the Kansas City arena that's down there T Mobile Center.

Now, so do you have like a group of chat with your Kansas City folks.

I mean I feel like you should all get on a group chat.

Yeah.

No, the Big Slick Chat people are on there, we're in the mix and we're trying to figure out who's going this year, what's going to happen.

You know.

It's just such a fun event, and it's like that's how I know Kelsey, That's how I know my homes.

That's time to talk about Taylor.

Now do you go to Paul?

Do you hang on?

Just I'm asking Taylor Swift.

I'm sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry?

So you saw them together?

Yeah?

Were they like so romantic into each other the whole time?

Yes?

It was beautiful and like there was like a romantic light because of the It was in a club, so I don't know why, but it was like beautifully lit.

And it's just like, so.

I own a club and there's Kelsey and there's a tailor making out.

I'm making sure there's lights specifically down on them, for sure, a soft amber spotlight.

Romantic, like Anthony said, it's super romantic.

But like I went to the bathroom at one point, kind of like in this surreal like at that at that super Bowl party, and Taylor was coming out of the bathroom and I was like in this long hallway and I was like, oh, what am I I'm going to say something I should say.

I didn't know what I was going to say, but I was so excited and I just get forced against the wall and like her security, like all black, just forced me against the wall.

And she knows, he buys.

She was on her phone.

She didn't even realize.

And it was just the most got bug squished.

I got bug squished against the wall.

No apologies, nobody said anything.

He's not there.

He's not there to apologize to you.

You're there to keep you know.

It was like secret, my god.

I'm sure I told you this was a good story.

Oh my god.

Bug squish kind of makes it though, bug squish from Taylor's detail.

Yeah, like there was like eight dudes in this hallway.

I was impressed with the details.

Wow, you know, can.

You imagine no bathroom having eight people outside the bathroom?

Don't think?

Keep say from Anthony, Yeah, maybe I shouldn't have said that.

Is that like a not known not Well, No.

I'm sure I'm not.

Of course, that's how she has to roll.

I read that you said the dogs.

And donuts can save the world.

Is this true?

Oh my god, it is true in my opinion.

Dogs and donuts?

Is it?

Does it have to be both at the same time.

Yes, listen, there's nothing better than a dog.

I'm sorry because I know there's a lot of cat people in the swift and cats are great, but balance.

No, I love a dog.

I'm not a cat person.

Oh is this controversial or is this well known?

Who knows?

I mean I might well, I won't read the comment.

Okay, I mean, look, dog is I think a dog is one of the most perfect animals because they're just so I don't want to get into it.

Okay, you dog, you do.

I don't have a dog.

Oh you don't know what that is.

I don't have I think you had a rescue dog yet.

Oh yeah, maybe you're thinking of like Nico and alexis thinking.

No, no, I'm not because I got their rescues.

Oh yes, wait, y'all have sibling dogs.

They have sibling dogs.

But I got my puppy and then she sent me like right similar time, like there's a brand new littery.

No no, no, it was around.

I got my dog and a Christmas and then we hit Hiatus and she sent me a litter and I sent it to the past.

Oh yeah, they went together and they got siblings, So I do know those two.

I know I'm gonna start sending you puppies now.

I mean, are you ready for a dog?

I am?

Okay, okay, Where where do the donuts come into?

The donuts are just look, this is this is highly controversial because look, they're just not good for you.

I know that, but I love donuts so much and it's kind of just like I'm a connoisseer.

Really, yeah, is there a specific donut place that you have to go to?

Are you like I can't do Duncan or you're like Duncan's life.

Listen, I like Duncan.

I will never discriminate.

Krispy Kreme is so delicious.

Better than Duncan, I think, so.

Oh look, Duncan is good.

I smell a krispy Kreme collab.

I would be there.

I I've always like, I used to joke about wanting to do Krispy Kreme commercials because I never saw them, and I still don't.

I don't see them either.

It's weird, right, they don't have to advertise.

That's how good they are.

Word of mouth, word of mouth, the grassroots effort.

Maybe because I'm on the East Coast, I see more Duncan than Krispy.

Yep, they're mostly out there, I mean, and then like if you come west coast, they start to they start to change and fade into Krispy Kreme more.

And so in the Midwest, little mix little it's exactly.

It's like we're in and out and shake Shack used to be.

Like then they come sort of like everyone's moving towards the middle.

Then they'll be everywhere.

If you're walking down the street and you're like, I need a donut?

What is that?

What is that donut store?

Like you can go into wherever you want for that donut.

I mean, look, I am partial to Krispy Kreme, but have you ever been in a sidecar donut?

Yes, franchise or is that like in l a special place?

But I think there's a few more popping up here and there in the country.

But as special as it is.

And I mean, like there's like multi ingredient type donuts Camela, They're like they have a theme.

They're a party and a donut, Like what do.

You mean give me an example?

Yes, and then you might they might have some like bacon on that and you're like.

You see that coming.

But the taste buds are happening to party my.

Friend a little more gourmet.

Yes, yeah, they're a little fan fancier.

Of gold.

Right.

You might catch that there, But you gotta be you said you gotta be careful.

Well only because sometimes you get carried away and you go for the big and fancy.

And the truth is for me that I really just wanted glazed simplicity.

You do, That's not what I'm going for.

Look with the glaze, though, you can't go wrong with the glazed.

What what are you going for?

I'm going for a chocolate ice from Krispy Kreme because it's special to me.

Why is it special?

Nostalgia?

Oh okay, but also it's just never miss it.

They've had the same flavor profile for years and years and years.

They haven't switched it up, and I appreciate that.

Also.

The texture is fire, but the flavors are hidden.

I tell you what donut I don't like.

I cannot have a round donut with the center.

I don't care what that center is it Jelly?

It can't be a cream.

No, it doesn't con to me as a donuts definitely not as definitely not.

Heyst forgive me.

I'm just trying to be inclusive.

Not okay, that's the worst center.

I don't know.

It's debatable, really.

Yes, it depends on the day and the mood and the vibe in the season.

When which season is a custard fall?

Oh okay, all right, I.

Could do a pumpkin doughnut cinnamon pumps.

Oh gosh, yes, the pumpkinslatic or all we have here?

Okay, I love this question.

You have said that your Gray's Anatomy character is not a great communicator.

How are you different in real life in your personal relationships?

Oh?

Great question?

Yeah, who asked that?

Dash?

That's deep heavy in my personal relationships.

I'm I'm different because I actually learned early on in my life that communication is extremely important or you're gonna be finding yourself in some serious trouble.

And I have actually learned from that and tried to build my relationships on honesty, communication, and openness.

I really truly have.

I don't always succeed at that, but I'm always It's always an effort, and it's always like in my in my brain somewhere that I need to be upfront about this, or I need to communicate this more clearly.

I oftentimes will fail at that.

But there's an effort that's definitely there, you know what I mean.

And with Winston it's not even an effort.

He just kind of will closed down and decide I don't want to face that or whatever it is, which I completely understand and it can identify with.

But gotta gotta maturity kick saying somewhere, man, come on now, and you gotta gotta have conversations, even if they're hard.

And that's that's.

Why you find yourself getting frustrated with the character sometimes where you're like just saying, do.

You too with you?

Yes, yes, it's just like, dude, come on now, how where's the growth where?

Yeah?

What's being done?

Ever?

He's just doing doctory stuff.

I guess that's so interesting though, because my perception of you know that these hyper real shows is that they're usually doing the thing that the the regular person that doesn't dare to do.

But if it is maybe in the telling of being human that is that's part of it, is that you you're not always so so so bold.

It's not always like the post it moment.

It's not always that the post.

Of certain characters on the show that did it did it right?

And uh and it's a tough thing to live up to, but it makes you realize when the characters are not the characters that are not doing it.

Yeah, you know, but I think I think it's sort of like a secret sauce to the show too, because if we were all great communicators, we would all begetting We would be telling that person I love you, this is why I'm acting this way, or I need to break up, or I need and so.

By us being kind of crappy communicator sometimes like it adds to that tension.

It's like screening the TV again, you know.

So true.

I think it's necessary for the story, good storytelling.

Yes, yeah, for sure, for sure, for sure.

Could you see Winston being chief one day?

Ooh, one day?

Cool question?

One day?

I would say, not right now, but I would say one day would be interesting with a little touch of gray.

You just want that desk?

Yeah, that's really all?

Yeah, like some spectacles.

Yeah yeah, I can see it too, can you?

Yeah?

Who do you talk to the most of the actors on set?

Who do you put your.

Chair next to?

I mean, it's funny because me and Addie have a lot so many scenes together recently that that's the chairs are just already next to each other.

So we chat a lot, but I'll talk with Nico and Alexis a lot.

And the the intern group.

Because you came in very similar times.

So even though you weren't an intern, you were part of that.

Which is a little strange to see in like photos or whatever, because it's like what if you watch the show only, But yeah, I came in by myself.

Yeah, and so that's why during the pandemic also, which is why it's like I didn't have a whole lot of friends because they couldn't like let to stay.

Yeah, we couldn't chat.

Couldn't give you a hug, shake your hand, nothing.

Yeah, And so I was just kind of on this island for like a season and a half, two seasons, and then the interns came in and they lifted all the sanctions and then just happened to be a time of like, you know, it just worked.

The friendships worked in that way at that time.

So yeah, it was an interesting experience for me.

But they're also so fun.

Those interns are fantastic.

They're so it's hard not I loved.

I didn't get to work with them enough when I came back, but I really loved them all.

Yeah, they're so fun and their energy that they bring outside of their characters too, is just so refreshing and cool.

Anty I talked about this moment on the last podcast where right before I did my first scene in the premiere, I literally like seconds before I started the first scene, I questioned whether I could like find Joe, Like I got nervous that I couldn't act anymore and like I wouldn't be able to find her.

Do you have any of that when you take a hiatus and then you go back into the character.

Yeah, I do.

I think Kim Kim actually talked about this before.

She's like I don't remember how to act, like she said, and she was like joking, but like low Ki, we were all like, yeah, that's a great fear that we all got to have.

And yeah, after a hiatus, it's like sometimes I worry about like memorization with medical terms and stuff.

Should I be practicing this over the summer because this is like a muscle that ted to be working out And yeah, So it's usually it has to do with like medical jargons and scenarios as far as character, like.

Can you step back into Winston really easy?

I can.

Oh you can, yeah, I can.

I think because this is this is kind of a this kind of a depth to this answer.

I mean, if it's interesting, but because there's so much, because I came in as a love interest and they had literally like three words of description of adjectives to describe my character, I had to kind of fill in everything very quickly.

And you guys know how that goes.

And so I used a lot.

I brought a lot to myself in the early times, and so now there are still you know, there's there's there's an amount, there's a percentage of myself that's involved with this character that's pretty close to the surface.

So I can step into that.

As far as the the profession of Winston, that's the toughest thing.

Okay, where are we, How does this?

How does this look for the day to day?

That type of a thing is so different from what we experience, So that kind of thing takes a little more work to just jump right back into.

As far as where we are and the profession that he does, and how how he's a dominant profession or dominant professional with this subject in this yes, that's that's the tricky part to make it look like you've been doing it for years, as opposed to playing an intern, where you're just fumbling around sometimes and it's okay if you don't know it.

So yeah, to look like you've been doing something for a very long time and it's just.

Yeah, I've never experienced that.

Joe likes to just relearn.

Something, so I feel like she's never had like you guys do, come in and you have that like I know everything.

I'm an expert in my field, and she's been learning.

So I've literally never had this experience.

That's so interesting, which is a whole other challenge.

It is, but I do think this is harder.

Like sometimes I hear Katerina's like medical monologue and I'm like, thank god, thank god it's not Joe.

Yeah, I yes, I Sometimes I'm like, how why can I be an intern?

Yeah, that's a lot.

I could just stumble through this.

You get to stumble through everything.

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So when you have had the experience of being on a show like graz and you have to learn all the medical you might find yourself one day in a situation like me where you're playing a character that's not the doctor, but there are doctors in the scene.

And without giving away anything from future episodes of nine one one Nashville, I was in the room with someone who needed to be performing medical and I was so grateful that I was not them, and they were sweating it.

I mean, they had so many medical medical, medical, medical.

And my character's eyes happened to be closed during the scene and I just was like, thank God, this is not me.

Oh you had flashbacks though, I'm sure you were like, oh, I did.

I do sugg just before?

If she like kind of judges other people when they're doing the medical, she's like a little bit, I do.

A little bit.

Well you know what, because you can't know what you don't know yet.

But the truth is, and I'm to tell me, if you agree when you're new, you you cannot wing it like exactly what you just said.

You if you're meant to look like you know what you're doing, then you have to know what you're doing.

So I remember early days.

Not to sound like, you know, show off here, but I remember pulling Peyton and Linda Klein aside and being like.

Can you guys help me practice this?

Ps?

I don't know what I'm doing, and I don't want to look like I don't.

We talked about the most common well see and the most common thing that the doctors do wrong on TELEVISI shows, and evidently this happened.

Someone caught it on the pit and I thought, oh, that's like really not.

I mean, I don't know.

I feel like you could kind of get away with it on Grays, but not on the pit.

The way that they shoot that show and how realistic and gritty it is is the wearing your your stethoscope backwards.

Oh huge, faux pa.

Can't have that huge?

Should I?

I've done this, you probably still do it.

I probably still do it.

Yeah, you got to have the nose that's pointing with you.

For some reason, it was wrong, like it should like to me naturally, I don't know why.

It feels like it should be the other way.

I absolutely agree.

I agree with you.

Yeah, it's weird.

Yeah, we all are like, oh, this should be reversed, which is why it can happen.

But I got to have the point.

Did you have to go watch a real surgery before you started the show?

No, but I have sense, Oh you have good What what did you have to go see?

I didn't.

Well, I chose to just go see a few different things because.

You broke into a hospital and just went yourself Las Vegas lobby.

He was getting into the.

Party, Paul right, actually into a surgery.

He was like, come in.

You don't know who he is.

Paul is just your concierge always Paul.

I.

Yeah, I got you.

Where are you?

Yeah?

So it was Ortho, which.

Is not, Oh interesting, what did you watch?

I watched labroom being repaired and then like I don't know what that is.

Oh it's like the back cartilage of a shoulder.

And then I saw Colon, which was no, he did not.

Yeah, I'm not sure why I chose that.

It was.

You chose it.

Well, they give me.

A little list, and you chose Colon.

Well here's the thing.

The other one was really kind of boring.

Oh, it was like.

A total Maybe it's just a camera.

The pretty much but let me tell you that's really interesting.

What did you say?

Sorry, I missed it.

The colon is a camerap you're yeah.

Yeah, they were okay with people being in there and one watching, which is I don't know, Flywood.

Yeah, and but everybody was just like telling me stay in the corner and don't touch anything, like they were not.

Really you're going to run in and like try and do the play for yourself.

I don't want to do I don't understand any of this and I don't want to be near it.

But uh, but it was very actually very interesting.

I learned a lot that day, you did.

I did tell us one thing that was kind of interesting to you.

Well, it gets weird because we're talking about klonoscopies.

Anthony always drink the flush fluid that they give youfore now, I told you to get weird and.

You'll go already because we're doctors.

But that's that's literally what I learned.

I was like, oh, that's crucial.

If you don't like homeboy did not drink.

Oh he didn't do it.

No, no, no, And what is the difference.

There's like, really, we're doing this ruthless.

Yes, I was, you don't know what happens you don't drink the juice.

Well, I haven't done it yet because I'm only twenty eight.

Yeah, yeah, it's like that.

But there's like all kinds of stuff going on in their colors and shapes and listen.

I wasn't tiles.

Yeah, I just wasn't ready.

And I wish somebody would have said prepare yourself, but they did not say that.

So anyway, I saw some things that you cannot see.

The flush fluid.

Wow, if you have anything to pass on, those are the kind of pro tips we're bringing to call it what it is.

Oh, we run the gamut we've been yeah.

Show Also in Ortho, it's really violent.

I learned that they like it's like nuts what they're doing to your joints and stuff in there, and they're just sawn and twisting and.

At any part where you felt like a little faint or do you think that you're so used to seeing us do surgery that it's like not.

You know what?

I was concerned.

I was concerned because the doctor was like, don't faint and don't touch anything, and I was like, those are the two things that you're telling me.

He's like, people pass out all the time.

I can see that, and so I was like hyper vigil to not pass out.

It is very I was.

I didn't have the need to though.

It was I was cool.

I don't think it was because we fake it so much.

I just think I just, you know, I had my mind prepared.

I don't know.

Yeah, you're just that's the kind of your chill.

It was nuts to see, though.

I'm not gonna lie.

No, I I did almost faint.

I did a but I had triple bypass open heart surgery a little different and they have to like burn through some of the fat and flesh, and that smell like just it got me wobbling.

Yeah, that'll do it.

It was rough.

Yeah, Okay, I read you have an idea for a clothing line.

This is my last question.

Can you tell us about it?

And will you send it to us?

I look, it's a multifaceted idea, my friend, Okay, tell me.

I mean, I don't know I should talk about.

Okay, maybe it needs to be under wrap.

I can give an idea.

I have a really good idea that.

Like tell us the no, no, you don't have to tell us that, like show us the design.

But is it like sporty or like it is like preppy or what.

There's an art there's an artful quality.

It's avant garde.

There's a way that it is like it's something you've never seen before that you'll wonder why you've never seen it before, because it just works.

Have we never seen it because it's terrible?

Maybe, I guess we'll find out.

I'm gonna get it done and we're gonna see.

I think it's objectively fire.

I think it's a really cool idea and I would wear it.

That's all I'm saying.

All Right, Okay, if you do this thing, will you send me in Jess because we love.

Free absolutely well, you've sent it to us in whatever color you want.

Oh my oh I love it.

Oh my god, I love it.

Okay, Dogs Donuts, Taylor Swift copies.

We've talked to me and brother in it does is that?

Do you say that on the show?

I missed that.

No, I never said it on the show.

I don't know why that should be said.

That should be said?

African herod is there that it's untapped and we talk about.

It, yes, Winston Brother.

Okay, well, now I see why she talks about you.

I know you are charging and kind and interesting and I'm so happy that you spent this time with us.

You know, this has been a pleasure.

This is a big deal.

It is Thank you man, this.

Is so fun.

Thank you so much.

And you guys please tune into Grate's Anatomy this season.

Anthony has what Winston has an incredible storyline and we have some fantastic stuff.

I can't wait for you to miss.

It is drama.

I know that people think we probably just say that, but it really is, and.

We do say that a lot, but it usually is correct.

Yes, and yeah, definitely, it's definitely correct.

Oh.

I don't think the Grays of her disappoints when it comes to the level of.

But some seasons are a little spicier, and this just feels like a real like every episode could almost be like mid season phenomenon.

It's just really high stakes.

I love it in a lot of the episodes.

All right, Anthony, it's time, it's time.

Thank you so much for being here.

Thank you, it's time.

It's time.

We're going to call it.

Oh okay, I thought something crazy was now.

Yeah, there's gonna be like sparklers that come out.

Of the sea sparklers.

Yeah, we do the fireworks now

Anthony, it's time to call it the end of the episode.