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Hello Call It Crew, and welcome to another episode of Call It What It Is, Part two with Miss Kimberly Williams Pacey.

We actually have a lot of personal questions now too.

On your Instagram, you went through what you do on a day off, and this is the list I got.

Meditate, work out, dies your grays, infrared therapy, studies, your lines, and walks your dogs.

Is this a typical sort of day representation.

Of a day for you?

Yeah, I think so, like an ideal day in the life when I have time to do all these things.

I'm also like returning emails and like there's a lot of work stuff and of course we have a nonprofit.

I do a lot of stuff with that daily.

Talk about that.

Talk about that.

Yeah, we have a nonprofit.

It's called The Store, and we're about to open our second locations safe it wants really awesome.

It's like, because I grew up, like my mom used to deliver meals on wheels and once in a while we'd go to like a soup kitchen and we'd give people On Thanksgiving we give people like turkey and crimber sauce, and and what I remember as a kid is that people kind of were resentful about that.

And I've learned more about what was going on, like in the years since, and so our vision with the store is really to give people dignity in choice in getting to like common shop for what they need and what their preferences are, and to have their kids see the parents in a position of power and a position of choice.

And and I'm also like, we've been to the food banks where like filling backpacks and stuff like that, and like with snacks, and it's not food that I would want to feed my kids.

Sometimes it's like very processed and stuff like that, and it's not necessarily what they'd want to eat.

And also it kind of looks industrial.

It doesn't always look like warm and welcoming.

So our vision with the store is to have like a quaint grocery that's like welcoming and friendly and you know, the staff, they know you.

We have amazing volunteers that come every week and it's a little community and these and these are custom there are customers.

They come in and they shop and we always have produce and they have like a certain allocation, you know, depending on the size of the family, that's how much food they can get.

So we have farming partners and they give us produce so they can always take as much produce as they want because we want to like, so how did someone get access to this if they need it?

So we have like a ton of referral partners around Nashville.

If someone comes in off the street and is just hungry on the day, like we'll give an emergency supply to somebody, but but then we have to like put them in the system.

And actually we have a waiting list right now.

We're full.

So that's why it was my follow up question because second location, we haven't talked about.

This is like is this something that you and Brad built in with the idea of being able to scale it out.

Yeah, I mean we would.

It's taken a lot.

We actually opened in the pandemic.

We opened right after the tornadoes hit Nashville and like destroyed well or maybe it was right before.

It was right before destroyed all these homes and so we opened our doors.

We never got to have a ribbon cutting because we're just going to like get our ducks in a row, so we opened our doors.

Then the tornadoes hit, so suddenly we're like, oh, I guess we do disaster relief now, you know, because we had all these supplies.

So we started doing disaster relief.

And then like weeks later, the pandemic happened and suddenly they were like, oh, you can't go you can't go out and shop, so we had to close our doors and we were so we decided, okay, yes we do deliveries to seniors now.

So we got cars, we got volunteers, we got a van, and we started going out.

So we've had to like think on the fly, but we've still not had our ribbon cutting, our official like.

So it's amazing if you took all the information that you've gotten from setting it up, and we're able to hand like the booklet so that you could have different chapters, because sure, if every.

Community could make this happen, then they should.

Well, we've had a ton of people reach out and say they want to, but it takes money and resources.

We partnered with Belmont University when we started, and that helped so much because they have a volunteer base.

They gave us the land that we built on for this new locations can be next to Centennial Hospital, that's our partner for that one.

And so you need to you need to find resources where you are.

And you have three times, you have three full time jobs.

So yeah, this is so incredible.

I love that you're opening a second store and that's all also going to be in Nashville.

You said, yeah, that's in Nashville, and we'd love to open a third one in North Nashville.

And we want to do what you're saying.

Like, we've loved it.

There's been a lot of interest from a group in LA that wants to do it.

Bra it's from West Virginia.

There's a group in West Virginia that wants to but one thing at a time everywhere.

It would be amazing everywhere.

We had a lot of questions for you about Diane Keaton.

Oh, I know.

It is really.

It's been.

It's it's funny.

I told you this earlier.

That went on my phone and the right hand corner or news item came up and it said something you know Diane Keaton and that it was like dot dot dot and I thought, oh, she's done another movie or she's done another thing.

I did thought nothing, I know.

And then later in the day, I was on social media and I saw your post and I was.

I stopped.

It was a sit down moment.

Yeah, me too.

How did you find out?

When did you find out?

I was on the peloton?

Yeah, you know.

I was just like going through my day and looking at the phone, and all of a sudden, I got a text from a friend just saying, oh, I'm so sad about Diane, and I was like, yeah.

It was a it was a stop everything and like get on the floor kind of moment.

What she just was such an inspiration for me, such a big.

Part of my life.

Well, you met her when you were nineteen.

I met her when I was nineteen, and I was a huge fan.

And you were and you were auditioning for auditioning because that was the movie that you did together, and you did I just wanted.

But two three three sorry in the Periemic.

Well it wasn't an official like full length, but we did.

That was the last time I think that I saw her was on Zoom during the pandemic.

I may have seen her once after that.

But yeah, so you went to go audition, yeah, when you're nineteen years old.

Yeah, and met one of your idols.

Yes, and she more than lived up to it.

She was just so generous and so funny and wise, just like wonderful, and especially on the second film, I felt like we really bonded and you know, just laughed like you and I do, Like just like the humor clicked and it was so fun to be on set when she was on set.

What's really fondest memories of her?

We went, she went she was a swap meet person.

Well, she was such a design and design and yes, so yeah, so interesting, her taste and her fashion and her fashion was incredible.

She just created that.

Oh an it all and her creation I mean, because I'm gonna say it was a creation, I mean that was her and this men's wear maybe Lauren Hutton had kind of dipped into it before, but like it was this unbelievably original version of a modern woman.

Yeah and sexy, yes, confidence, yes, yeah.

So anyway, one day, I think it was like right after during Fathers Bred too, she said, I'm going to the swap meet this weekend.

You want to go?

And I was like yeah, and I'm not, as I'd never been a swap meat person.

I didn't know how to do it.

You know, and she knew she knew that, and she showed up and it was like a hot day, and she showed up in her full Diane Keaton like, you know, her hat, her hat and her necktie.

She might have even had gloves.

You know.

She showed up as Diane Keaton and she had like a like open up cart in her trunk.

You know.

She went and opened up her trunk and she had her swap meat cart and she's like, okay, and she gave me five dollars.

Stop and she's like, go buy something.

And I'm going to go buy something too, And we went with her sister.

I'm pretty sure it was her sister, and she went off shopping and I went off and I was like, what am I supposed to buy?

How am I supposed to know?

Like what Diane Keaton would think is cool?

And I think I remember buying like a plastic flower.

I don't know what could I find for five dollars?

And we swapped me a lot.

I know.

We met back up around like twenty minutes later, and her cart was full fall of stuff.

She had like a clown painting.

I just never would have picked out, but she found treasures.

Yeah, I just thought it was so fun.

I believe that about her.

Yeah.

We were in an earthquake together once too.

That was Oh wait what we were at a restaurant.

We were having lunch and we were sitting in a restaurant in La like at this tiny little table and an earthquake kit and She's like, we have to get under the table.

We got under.

We got under this diny.

Little table, under the table with Dan Keaton.

Yeah, that could be a scene in Farther of the Bride.

I feel like, yeah, for sure.

Yeah, did she teeth?

Was there any thing that you remember her teaching you?

I remember I had a lot of anxiety during those two movies.

I mean I was nineteen on the first one.

It was the first major role I had, and Diane was like a mother figure to me who was very safe.

So I did.

I talked to her about my anxiety.

I had a lot of dreams.

I'm a big dreamer, literally a big dreamer, but I would have like weird nightmares and weird and I think it was like me working out my anxiety in the middle of the night, and she would analyze dreams with me.

So I mean, really like she was just listen Kine listening here.

Yeah, she has some good stuff about anxiety.

We talk about it a lot.

Honestly, I think it was something that she probably dealt with too.

So no, she didn't have easy answers.

I think she she had people she trusted that she talked to about it.

Yeah, like the lived experience.

Yeah, how to navigate it.

Just Yeah, sometimes it just helps to talk to someone who's been through it too.

You know.

Well, it's funny because these are the reasons I love social media is that they when it gets to know you, it sends you the things that it knows you want.

And Charlie Rose put on a snippet of an interview he had with her, and I saw it last night, and I thought it was so interesting because he asked her if she had I'm remembering it as he asked her if she had any regrets or anythings that she wished she'd done, And she was so grounded and she took his question very seriously, and she said, I wish that I had had more confidence to do the thing, Like I wish that there were my lack of confidence or my worry kept me from doing things I.

Wish I had.

Yeah, and it was.

It was because of the context of knowing that she'd passed that I thought it was almost like a voice coming from beyond.

Yeah, it makes me like it makes me like when you hear from people who when you're hearing, when you're seeing or reading people who have passed and there and their messages come to you, I think that it's like they carry a different weight.

Which interestingly sort of segues into something that you and I have talked about that you've gone through.

But when I read this quote, I thought, oh my gosh, I hadn't thought about it.

And in this way, you went through a period of time where you could not speak, and I read a quote where you said that I felt invisible and that you didn't want to that it led you to a place where you actually felt like, oh my gosh, if this is my reality and I can't speak anymore, I don't want to leave things unsaid.

And how it ties into just like what I just said about Diane, where it's like when we pass, when we think we've lost our voice, like what are the things?

Because I do think you should live every day of your life like it's your last, and I believe in all of that, and I believe in in showing up every day and and as your best you know self.

But in that moment when you lost your voice and you were thinking that, like, what are the things that I that.

Could be left unsaid?

What were you what were you focusing on or what were you thinking about when you said that?

I think that I am a person who tends to put other people's needs before my own, and I think I was really in a pattern of doing that and just going, well, it's fine, I can adapt, I can adjust.

And honestly, the thing that happened with us the small W that the W is the letter.

I wasn't wrong, ID misstepped right, but whatever, Like it was the thing that I was like, oh, And I think the old me would have been like, it's fine, it's not a big tail, don't bring anything up, like, don't ruffle any feathers, and the new version of me is like, yeah, but that kind of hurts.

So I think I need to just say something yeah.

And that comes out of two years of being like, maybe no one's going to ever hear me, maybe I am invisible, maybe my like how am I going to have my voice be heard?

And so practicing for two years, well over the course of two years, to speak up and if people can't hear me, to wait until it's quieter and they can to write to have my voice be heard that way, you know, to ask for what I need.

And I would like to sit on this side of you so that I can turn my head to the right because I have more volume that way, and like even little things like that, like just speaking up for what I need to be heard and stepping out for me and like, you know, how how can I take care of myself best?

And that's what came out of that period of feeling invisible.

That makes sense.

Question if you could have not had that experience, would you get rid of it if you had that sort of like crazy magical control over your life or are you kind of glad that you went through that?

If that makes sense.

Yeah, that's a good question.

Do you know who Kate Boller is?

She has a podcast too.

Anyway.

I was listening to one of her episodes once since she had this Rabbi on who Anyway, she went She's going through health stuff and they were talking about like is it worth it?

All this stuff?

Is it worth it?

No?

Is it worthless?

No?

So that's how I feel.

You know, was it worth going through it?

No?

But I am.

I am hell bent on making making a meal out of it, making it be worth something.

I want to take.

I want to take something from this experience.

And I have so much that I've gained from this experience.

I think it's kind of magical actually, Like hearing that story and then you thought, you know, maybe you'd have to never, you'd be never acting again, and now you're cast on a show.

But the interesting part to me, which is like just kind of who tingly, is that the fact that your role on the show is the voice that people here calling in like you're no kitting important, Like this is so sar.

Yes, it's so.

I've just realized.

I mean maybe you guys have talked about this before.

I'm just realizing it hearing it.

No, that's such a great point.

It's exactly right.

It's a great point.

And that has hit me if the irony is not lost on me, that that's the primary way in for my character is her voice.

Yeah, you have had your voice is the most important on the show.

Yeah, And I love that.

And I've gotten compliments on my voice and my voice sounds different to me it does in what way has it changed?

It's different.

It's quieter, it's deeper for a while, and it just kept getting higher and higher until then it just kind of turned whispery, and so it's not as loud.

It's not as loud.

How far between the you regaining your new voice and coming onto the show?

What was the.

I got surgery in August of last.

Year and then start ago.

Right, It's not long.

And actually a couple months or maybe like a month after surgery I did I hosted this reality dating show called Farmer Wance a Wife, which was yeah reality Farmer Once a Wife.

I definitely saw the commercials with Farmer Once a Wife, the trailers.

That is also a show where I did so much voiceover because I had to narrate all of the action.

So that was another one where and I was so scared going into that job because I just hadn't been able to trust that my voice would be there for so long that I didn't know what it would be like in a loud room or with like all the girls that are on the show making noise, if I had to quiet everyone down, how would I get through it?

And that was I had to face the major fears, and same with coming on our shows, Like I had a bit of imposter syndrome in the beginning and just had to settle into it.

And now I feel great.

I feel great, you are great on this.

Your why I would want to hear this voice right now if I called nine one one.

I think it's so soothing.

You're like the perfect cast for it.

Yeah, thankiography.

I just mean I'm having a really good time.

I'm like very it feels like home.

It feels really nice.

Well, you do get to be home, Kim, Yes, that's why.

Just shot in my backyard.

So basically, what is something that you auditioned for and almost got that.

Didn't There were like some action adventure ones that like Edswick and Marshall Hurskowitz did a long time ago.

Buffy the Vampire Slayer got the part.

Oh, Sarah Michelle Giller got the part.

Oh.

There's also no I can't.

Those are like I let them go, so it's hard for me to remember them.

Boring.

I know it's boring.

Just hold on and then hold a sounds for them.

Fire.

I'm kidding, well, no, but I so, But I do always say this, do you say this.

I say this to people when they call me during terrible breakups or when they don't get the part, or you know, when whatever disappointment comes their way.

I always say, and it's so far, it's true.

I don't know when, whether it's like five days later or five weeks later, five years later, or so on so on, but you do end up sort of writing that person or that thing a thank you note because with.

Some perspective, realize what not getting it got you for sure?

And I I mean, yeah, I can.

I mean, there are yours.

Have you already talked about them on the show.

We've talked about that, but like jesses are more impressive than mine because mine was just a lot of like c W, I've adition you just had a steady job for longer.

That's not true, I think, I I think that my I can't think of anything super high profile that I auditioned for, you know, but I didn't know that was going to take off and be what it was at the time, which would have been incredible obviously wow.

But no, we we we asked this question a lot, and it's kind of it's kind of amazing what people have.

Yeah, and you know, it's funny.

I find that people do get a little bit like they're not sure whether they should say right, like like like you know, like is that But it was funny.

We were talking to Kim Raver and and and this is crazy because Kim and Kimila and I have been friends for a long time and Kim, when Kim came on the show, we became fast friends and everything else.

And she never ever told me that one of hers was for was for Minority Report.

Oh wow, how she never told me that.

I still don't understand.

It's like and she really got up like up to the like up to it, like the room of Tom Cruise, Yes, like got the and she never said a word.

But it's like I think we I don't know.

I mean, I don't know what the psychology behind it is.

But I think that if when we don't get the part, we just kind of go, well, it wasn't ours and we're not going to talk about it.

Yeah.

Yeah, And that's why I'm trying answer that question.

I promise you there's there's really really sexy one.

So she's going to tell me later.

By the cast chairs, by the casters yesterday, By the way, our cast hairs were all in a like in a semi circle.

And it turns out that I just bring more ship to set than anyone else.

And I had to have a podium.

She did to my chair so that I could put all my shit in here, so I.

Had an office chairs.

O my god, that reminds me of that we used to work with you to set up like twenty computers.

Just oh, this is a cute question.

Did you take any did you No, I didn't hear you.

Jesse Williams, Yeah, Jesse, I mean like Jesse, I love him, but he would It was like he would be taking business meetings in the chair.

That's why he's got so much going on.

He had Cammy's screens.

He was filming the show as we were filming the show.

Oh, I'm like, but what's that laptop for?

What's that one for?

When we get him all we got to ask him.

We've never asked.

This is a really cute question, so I want to make sure we ask it.

Did you take any keepsakes home from the father of the bride Set?

I actually took a gift from Diane.

I wasn't a gift.

It wasn't like a prop in the show.

But she did give me this little she probably got it a swap.

Meet just this little guy, Kim, just an odd, little thick figure like guy pin.

So I have that like to put on your lapelle.

H huh yeah, so sweet.

And I did take a basketball home, but I'm really embarrassed to say because I had the basketball, I'm embarrassed to say, I have no idea which basketball it is.

We have like a bunch of basketball.

You lost the Father of the Bride I did.

Oh my god, that's absolutely amazing.

Yeah, next one, Okay, okay, this is oh well, this is gonna be great because we were just talking about it yesterday.

Who was your biggest celebrity crush when you started in Hollywood?

And did you ever meet them?

We talked about this, well, we talked.

About what I'll get to after you answered this question.

Who is my biggest celebrity crush?

And did I ever meet them?

Your baby Kim, you're nineteen, you do this huge movie.

Now you're like, I mean, everyone's looking at Kimberly Williams because you're not Kimberly Williams Paisley yet yes, and they're like, oh, she is the total package.

Because I saw that movie and.

Ooh, she's cute.

Okay, you could go out with anyone, right, Who did you crush on?

I feel like you're.

Leading me to something.

I honestly crushed on my co star George Newburn.

I had a crush on him.

He was super cute and super crush on him.

Yeah, well, Mary, I would like him less cute.

Yeah, he was married when you guys were shooting.

Oh, I got very excited for a second.

Yeah.

And then I did date someone at the studio.

Oh, okay, which was interesting.

We're talking about who I had a crush on her.

Actually mine was Michael I loved Michael J.

Foxx.

Yeah, yeah, I think was cute.

Jonathan Taylor Thomas.

I actually I thought Rob Lowe was really hot when I was younger.

He's very handsome.

The business that was Tom Cruise's cruise, Tom.

I thought Tom Cruise was really for me.

Tom Cruise, I did.

I met him very briefly.

Did he live up to the cuteness hotness?

Yeah?

Sure, I mean but by then it had gone yeah, a little bit peak Tom Cruise hotness.

For me?

It was Jerry maguire.

You thought Je McGuire all the time jess most romantic movie.

I actually think he's really cute in War of the Worlds too.

I like him in a baseball hat fighting Aliens.

Yeah, he's got a very winning Yeah.

I also did have a crush on Roblow way back.

Yeah, and I got to meet him and work with him.

Did you have a crush on when you worked with him?

No, m it had passed.

It's funny how these things passed.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I also thought Rabblo was super.

I mean everyone that was insane.

Almo's Fire, Yeah, I was gonna say that was like, yeah, never Judd Nelson.

That Nelson he was I could appreciate that.

He was cute, but he wasn't my thing.

Andrew McCarthy all soft sweet.

I worked with him later, and you know what, I didn't have a crush on him, so it passed.

Yeah, spending How these things fast?

What is your favorite movie?

What was your favorite movie to film?

And why?

Every film?

Not every film, but many of the films that I've filmed, I loved them for a certain reason.

Like there were some films that turned out to be terrible, but I met somebody that was amazing.

You know.

There was a movie I did with Patrick Stewart by the way that you don't ever have to see.

But it was wonderful to work with him, and like he became a friend for a while and stuff and that was that was amazing.

But honestly, like Father the Bride was really like that changed my life.

It was a classic movie.

It's something that people talk to me about every day.

And you could rewatch it like it was the first time.

Yeah, you and Chris were talking.

You were telling Chris that he needed to watch a movie last night.

Do you want to Control Too?

Oh gosh, have you ever heard this movie?

Well two?

Are you kidding?

Absolutely?

I know all those songs, do you?

I've never seen Troll Too?

Why isn't it?

And there's not a Troll one?

There's not a Troll one?

And have you ever watched the documentary about the making of Troll two?

No, I haven't done a deep dive for yourself?

A favor is Chris?

I hope?

So she really was selling it hard to Chris last night.

I'm I'm was it too hard?

Sell it?

Well?

I mean no, actually, because it made me feel like maybe I should watch it, But I knew that I was not going.

To be mine it's not the kind of thing you should go sit down and watch it by yourself.

It's the kind of thing like you need to get some trends.

Over cozy at home on Netflix, and it's in the troll too.

Now you need to be with friends.

You need to come over to our house.

What we need to do is that a Troll two party, and it'll be a double feature.

Because I think the documentary is called the greatest film or the greatest worst film ever made.

I think that's what it's called.

Really, what it's called.

My kids liked that movie.

Well two, you're not thinking about animated.

You were talking about trolls this.

No, no, there's troll you're recommending troll too.

This is a movie visual, this is a movie.

Just look at the poster and you'll get the idea.

I'm not gonna pull it up right now, right I'm telling you.

Once you once you get on all I'm gonna say, maybe like a B horror movie because I love a B horror movie.

Horror movie sounds better?

Are you kidding?

Oh wait, they pulled up, Oh hang on, hang on, I've gotten the They just pulled up the post.

An Italian filmmaker who didn't speak any English, and yet the film is written in English.

Okay, okay, this is the tagline.

Hang on, celebrate one of the most disrespected horror movie films in recent history, and fall in love with this genuine failure that is this is absolutely incredible.

I'm not even kidding this is this is amazing.

I'm watching it.

I want to come to watch party.

Do do a watch party?

Though I don't want alone.

Yeah, no, I'm not going to it looks like it needs to be watched with somebody else.

Absolutely, okay.

The family questionion next is on your first date with Brad?

Yeah, who made the first move?

He did?

Oh?

He did?

He said, stop me if I'm out of line.

Oh, oh stop it.

That's so romantic, isn't that sweet?

Yes, that's very sweet.

Yeah, okay, last question myself that leads into the next one because I actually a good one because I saw a snippet before we met.

I don't even think I told you this.

I saw a snippet of him performing on stage right before Mother's Day and he was doing a concert and for some reason, I guess he hadn't turned off his phone, his cell phone, Oh yes, podca and he heard it ring, and he took the call in the conversation during the concert with like twenty thousand people you know, watching him, maybe forty who knows, I don't know.

And he picked up the phone and it was one I don't know which, one.

Of yours, Jasper.

It was Jasper, And he answered the phone and had a full conversation with him.

He did.

It was very, very funny.

It was not staged or planned, but it was very funny.

It was funny.

It was the night before Mother's Day.

I was asleep, like a normal person.

I'm the only person in my house that goes to bed early.

Yeah, early too, I'll be honest.

Yeah.

And by the way, early at our house is like eleven.

My kids go to the waylater, and so does Brad.

But Brad likes to decorate for Mother's Day and birthdays, and like he's he just likes to decorate.

This is where we will bond.

Go on, so does Capshaw?

Go on?

You do?

Oh my god, she's a big decorator.

I too.

Whatever, that's what he's all about.

Yah, be amazing, Okay.

And so anyway, he really wanted to decorate for Mother's Day and he was on stage and so he had to put Jasper in charge.

So Jasper is calling him to find out where the decorations.

Were, and he's talking him through it.

But it's like, I got people waiting on me, you know, at this concert.

I'm at have to call you back.

It was really cute.

So is he funny at home?

Does charming hilariousness at home?

Always?

We're gonna have dinner with him tonight possibly, I.

Mean the mytory whether or not he's gonna show up.

And I'm really excited.

By the way.

Another Jessica Capshaw fact is that you have impeccable table manners.

Do have you noticed that?

I didn't even know.

I haven't noticed, but I do know that her she has a parenting thing where she likes her kids, and I adopted it.

We talked about this in Paris.

You're like, I like my I like to teach my kids table etiquette where it's like, if you're done, your knife and four cugo together on the plate.

And I started to do that, right.

Do you remember this conversation?

I started to do that.

Wow, so you have when you're eating with Jesson Capsule, I.

Just noticed that, like my elbows were on the table, and I'm like eating the fork with the tongs going up, you know, and I'm probably talking with my mouthful, and Jessica's got the fork upside down.

Oh yeah, and she's eating it upside I was like, damn, she's classy.

You need to know.

Brad Paisley not the best table man.

Oh okay, but he's a sweetheart and he's so funny.

I can't wait, Like I said, I can't.

I don't.

I'm trying not to get my hopes up in cases definitely doesn't come.

And they shouldn't be up anyway.

Just let's lower the bar.

Not coming time apparently for one last question.

So here's my question.

I'm sure you're asked all the time about what your favorite song is of your husband's.

He ever writing a song, though, and he plays it for you, and you say that's terrible, start over, yes, stop it, oh.

For sure, and it'll it'll be about me and it's like a love story or a love song or something, and I'm like, it's too small, sy, Yeah, I love this.

Yeah, oh my god, that's absolutely amazing.

Well that's also an incredible achievement for a recovering slash former people.

Please well Yeah, it's wonderful that you can say that you thank you.

That shows true intimacy.

Also, and he trusts me like he'll he'll ask me my opinion on songs and I and I give it to him.

And sometimes it's hard.

It's hard to tell him the truth.

Yeah, it could be back right, but I really mean it like having being being in a relationship where you feel you know where you feel like you can say this thing I'm to say might disappoint you and say it anyways.

That's fantastic.

I will say he's a brilliant songwriter like I really am.

I rarely tell him I don't like it.

It's and actually I know he can take it because often if there's a line like I think it could be better, he makes it ten times better.

That's ownership.

Yeah, it's a great part.

All right.

To end on that, I know, thank you so much for being here.

Can we steal you back on as the season goes on and more gets revealed?

For sure?

That would be so fun.

Yes, you guys are awesome.

You have a great podcast.

Thank you for letting me be a god.

Well, I'm so happy that you are first.

I mean, it is a public you know thing.

The other people on the show are going to now know that you're my favorite, but you know it's okay.

You're going to tell them all, well, no, because I'm.

My devious person.

I'm gonna be like she is, So what are you going to do to try to be my favorite?

I'm going to work that, yes she is, And James, competition on yourself.

Exactly what would you like to bring to get yourself in pole position in my life?

And then I'll come back and try to top it.

Yes, I love I love this whole eacion for us.

All right, Jessica, I.

Think it's time to call it the end of the episode.

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