Welcome back to Bachelor Happy Hours, Golden Hour.

Kathy's here with me and where are we?

Keny, We are live tonight at the Golden Bachelor Women.

Tell all, what an evening, What a night.

These women are gorgeous.

I can't even.

Sharing their emotions.

I mean you have to tune in.

There was so much tonight.

It is so much and they look beautiful.

Scene mel I just got to meet him for the first time tonight.

It's amazing.

Okay with Jared and the teasing.

Yeah, this this has been a great night.

But let's let's get into right now.

Let's get into these Okay, fabulous, here we go.

Welcome to Golden Hour.

I'm so happy to be here.

I'm good.

Tell us, tell us share.

How did you feel seen all the women again?

Oh god, that's a highlight because I miss these ladies so much, and you know, just waving and waiting yesterday it was just.

A come on.

It was like torture and we were just like, we're like teenagers.

We know exactly how you feel the best.

You shared so much emotion and.

How did that?

How did that feel?

Milk?

Oh my god, well, I was so excited to see Milk again.

I mean I have processed and worked through everything, and also watching the episodes, you know, it gives you a lot of clarity, right, and so I saw very clear that his heart was elsewhere and he had stronger connections, and you know that makes it a little easier because you see it.

The reason you yeah, I saw you kept asking was it because of this sort because you.

Do wonder and you know I kept wondering that and because I had to see those episodes, so I did.

You know, we work through all the feelings, right, it's such a rollercoaster ride.

But seeing him was great and he's lovely and it was just fun.

I just really enjoyed myself.

How do you feel about your dating life going forward?

Well, I'm excited because I really meant it that he kick started my.

Heart because you know, I had given up for so long and just to know that, oh my gosh, I can feel this again, and also having confidence again and knowing, wow, you know I made it to the final three.

And it's I think everything you say, Debbie resonates with women of our age, the fact not having children, not having been married, the fact that you are confident.

I love that you spoke to women about that.

That's exactly where we came from.

And I also admired you for watching and dealing with the Coles what you didn't know because you weren't every there, every second.

And she's come a long way.

Yes, I talked to her myself.

Yes, everything's great, but yeah, I really respect how you handled it.

I was worried that it came off too harsh and I wasn't even going to say anything until she started talking about women empowerment and all that kind of thing, and I thought, well, that doesn't really match up with what she said about your season.

And also I did feel dismissed by her.

She dismissed my connection with mel and other women and her comment, you know, when she went home, it just didn't hit right.

And I just thought, gosh, I loved this woman, yeah, and what are you doing?

And I just didn't understand it.

And I was really disappointed in her, and I was literally I defended her every day to someone and until.

I saw that.

And I feel better that you got it out, like.

You know, yeah, but I also feel bad, you know, because she got very tear out and she was pretty upset with me.

And I get it, but you know, it's my truth.

And ye you got really just she hurt me, and I just said, I just want her to know that if these are the things you want to accomplish in life, this is not the way to go about it.

And I hope that she heard that.

I love that you're doing that again for other women.

I just want to know what's next for you, Debbie.

I don't know.

I mean, hopefully I will find my person.

I'm just so ready to, you know, just do life with someone and.

You love yourself again, you feel I have been ready.

I have been ready.

It's just that, you know, every guy that I was set up with, either through matchmaking agencies or apps or whatever, it was always ending in disappointment or frustration.

It's to a lot of us.

I know, but doesn't feel great to have hope.

And yes, know that you love your and again, I have to congratulate you on the fact that you are giving women, golden women, hope and letting them know that life is not over.

And that is a gift you are giving to all the women.

So you know what, it's a hard time.

That means a lot to me.

It does, and being in love with yourself, whether you find a true love or not being okay with yourself.

That is the most important thing, and we took that off of our show.

Yeah, well, we love.

You, and we thank you for stopping by.

You are You're.

In our lives.

You're in our lives.

Welcome to the family, and you represented Golden's really well time.

I really appreciate that.

Thank you, Thank you so much, you too.

Welcome to Golden Article.

We're glad to have you.

Thank you so much for having me.

Both of you beautiful.

So many questions ask you.

Okay, you seem to get a bit of a tough time today.

Tell us about it.

Yes, it was.

It was challenging, but I do think it was healthy.

I appreciated all of the beautiful friends that I have because they are all my friends expressing themselves.

It was valid.

I listened, and you know, I told them that I wanted to do better.

Uh, and so it was fine.

I think the only time I got a little bit disregulated when was when after four different women said things that there was a fifth and I just needed a breath in between under that kind of But I do know how to regulate my own nervous system, so I know how to get myself back to balance and back to center.

So I just did some breathing and I was fine.

But it didn't help you understand what other people saw.

You know, You're good.

Thank you.

I love you guys so much.

Yes, yes, of course it was helpful, of course, and also I had to watch myself, so it was a little horrifying at times.

So that's very cringe.

I don't even the sound of my voice, let alone alone.

How do you feel now?

How do you feel now some of the things you said?

How are you feeling now about those things you said?

And do you feel like you're a different person now than you were back there?

Yeah?

I think I've even grown.

I mean, I'm really into a personal growth journey.

And we all have moments when in front of especially in front of a camera, where we're like, oh, you know, I sort of forgot that was there sometimes.

But yes, I feel like I have done some soul searching since since leaving the regrets, you know, I regret in general is a kind of I think it's in some ways pointless, but learning from it is the way to go.

So yeah, So that and I have to ask you, how was it seen?

Thank you the women again with which it sounds great.

How is it seemed mel again?

Oh?

Wow, you got choked.

Yeah, I got choked out.

Well, I had a lot of feelings for now, so you know, it was it was hard to see him.

I'm missed it.

Do you feel like you have the closure that you need?

Yes?

Absolutely?

You know, I think that closure is an inside job.

It's it's it's I don't it's a personal thing I don't need.

I won't get it.

From anybody but myself, right, and so I have absolute closure, Yes, a real.

Quick one, and I hope you find this.

Do you want to tell America that you're better looking than what you thought?

I want to say one thing to America.

When I saw both of you come into the mansion, I was like.

That, we'll take it.

I really did.

I.

You know, the way you guys are in person is unbelievable.

I'm your beauty inside.

Well.

I love that you mentioned about women's empowerment, because that's being part of this family.

Yes, we feel like that's what it's all about.

It is what it's all about.

And I wish we could have talked about that more.

And I wish that as a collective, our cast could have focused a bit more on that instead of lemon bars, because.

That's taking the credit.

They find out she had.

The majority From aside, I've been myself.

I'm good at it's being self deprecating and making fun of myself.

I'm I'm absolutely fine.

What is your plan?

What is your future plan?

Besides the cookbook?

You know, I don't have a plan yet.

I think I'm just was waiting for the show to wrap, or my part, to see how I was feeling, to see what I want to do, and you know, of course I would.

I really had a wonderful time.

I was just going to say a word, tell me.

Time of my life, time of my life on the show forwards.

I'm sorry, I'm not a one word girl.

So do you But do you feel like you are a different person now?

Well, every experience shapes us, helps us grow.

I'm a different person than I was before the show.

I'm a different person that than I was since the show.

How do you feel?

I feel different now because I've learned so much?

And I you know, I learned much about myself.

Are you dating not yet?

Well?

I want you.

We love meeting you, We love your honesty, we love hearing about your growth.

Journey.

We want you to come back on the podcast another time.

I would love we want to hear all about what's going in life.

Thank you for stopping by.

You guys so much.

I love you both.

Love you.

Welcome.

We're glad, Thank you, We're glad we saw that we could be beautiful.

Thanks.

Thank you guys so much.

You guys are so wonderful.

I love you too, and I think I want this whole ef.

Yeah, Carol, welcome to Golden Hour.

Thanks so much for coming.

Thank you for.

So only tell us we want to hear.

How was seeing all the women again for the first time fantastic?

It was unbelievable.

I missed them and we had I'm sure you've been.

Really I know.

And people say, oh, were they No, they actually were.

These girls are going to be can I say girls?

Women?

Girls?

Female?

Female?

Okay, whatever, I'm not politically correct.

I'm sorry anyway.

So I had the best time in my life with them, I really did.

I have some friendships that I'll have for the rest of my life.

First of all, I find you very amusing, especially the.

I don't know where that even came from, some old Anglican speech, I guess I don't know.

About saying something to mel.

How did you addressing him tonight?

We want to know, good did you hear what I said to him?

Because no, Okay, so when I went, I don't know if he's the night I talked to you, right, So I went and I said, oh, you know you're going to remember very handsome.

I said it three times.

That just said about twice more for you.

But you got to remember everyone's telling me about him, So I know all these things.

But I'm already of Plus I stopped him before I googled, so I know everything.

So then I go there, I'm like, that's why I said.

I couldn't asked.

Say for us to hear where we were sitting.

But I want to ask you, Carol, how hard was it?

I value that you were able to self eliminate.

Tell me how that felt to do it.

You talked a little bit about tonight, but facing Melon talking about that.

Well, you know it wasn't an easy decision at all, and you know there's a lot that led.

Up to it.

Yeah, Well that earlier that day, I had something in my heart.

I need to call my dad.

So my dad's eighty nine, and I you know, he's not.

He's actively.

Ds.

Okay, he still works my brothers and so, but it's something I just missed him.

I really missed him.

So I was a little emotional before that day, and then I already had the roads going into that night, and then my roommates got eliminated.

So I was by myself in that room, and I thought to myself, tomorrow, if I don't get that single date, that's going to tell me along one on one.

If I don't get that one on one, I'm the only one who hasn't had that extra time with him.

And how did that feel tonight?

When you address that with mel.

I guess, okay, it didn't really you know, he didn't really give me anything about it, but that's okay.

No, it's like, you know, since the elimination, it is so the.

Best thing for you, sounds like was the friendships that you made with the women coming.

Yes, And don't get me wrong, I was very attracted.

No, I really did.

Like, we know, you thought he was nice.

We know that, Susan, we know that.

Do you think Carol was just?

You know, he's totally my type and I'm very that you went in for the kiss.

I know you were struggling with that.

Because a kiss means a lot to me, and then you don't remember I'm very traditional, so when all these other women are going for him, it made me retrieve a little bit.

It may be like like you know, of course the premise of the show, you got to go for it, so I knew.

I thought the memo, I know what you're supposed to do.

I had to rewire my brain.

How did you feel different?

I'm sorry?

Did you feel differently after you kissed them?

You're more comfortable or after the first kiss, but after the second kiss?

Geez, we're counting kiss.

I know it was going real and more.

Take Nicole, really.

So what what's what's on your future plate?

What do you what do you what do you think your future is going to hold for you?

Okay, well you know what if this actually helped me define what I really want to man.

Oh, you've got about ten seconds listed.

What do you want?

So?

One thing about mel he's very engaging.

I know, I believe or not he really is.

When you're talking to him, he's looking at I like that, and now you know I haven't had that before.

Okay, so here it is all you eligible men out there who are engaging very Carol is available, however, Carrol, the lines forms behind me and.

Carol, we'd love to have you back.

Thank you, thanks for.

And you look beautiful tonight.

Thank you you do too, Thanks, thanks for thank you.

Okay, Jerry, well, welcome to Golden Hour.

We are so glad you're here.

We've got so many questions.

First of all, stunned, I mean dress, do you feel good?

I feel amazing.

First of all, let me say, you two look beautiful.

Thank you.

The color.

I love color.

Thank you love color.

Okay, so call us, what is the What was the like seeing the women tonight?

What's the best thing about tonight for you?

The women?

The women, the women's It was like just a distance.

He really is, but really, I mean.

When we saw each other we screamed.

On the boat, on the bus, I felt like, I mean, it was just so I could not wait to see.

Them being it's your family.

Now you're all family, not right, they're my sisters.

Yeah, they are my sisters.

Did anything not happen tonight that you wished it or spoke about or everything was good?

Everything was good because at the end I was able to talk to mel I didn't like.

I wish I would have more in depth with my question when he asked me if I had a question for him.

So what did you talk about?

What?

What was it that you said?

I said to him, thank you, thank you for really opening me up.

Let me feel those butterflies.

He feels grateful for this.

Oh, I'm so grateful that little tingle down, that little tingle is that han't feel that?

So is that the biggest change in your life that you feel like you're open?

Tell us what's the biggest change from being on the show that I am.

I'm open, I'm really today.

It's my time.

It is so much.

You have talked so much about it being your time in the eighteen years, and you've taken care of everyone and the dog.

I have two cats, by the way, they need a home.

If you're no woud somebody taking He's not coming back to on Monday.

All right?

Well, so where do you see yourself?

What's in your future?

We're asking everyone happens?

What's dating?

I'm ready to date?

So well, you just put yourself out out there for the DMS come.

In for something.

They are but direct message, that's what they said.

I think I'm when I met my husband, I put an existence I prayed for.

I said, I am ready to marry a doctor.

And that's what That's all you got to say.

You know what you.

Have because you've asked, not what you want?

Be very specific, okay, in very.

That's very important I want.

I'm telling you and.

I well, can I just tell you are beautiful and you should have it all?

So you know, there's that.

Were you surprised by anything that any of the other ladies talked about tonight?

Did anything surprise you?

Was?

Was there any stress in the house that we didn't know about.

Is you all seem very which we were to very close?

Was there any kind of stress?

Not?

I didn't see anything.

The lemon bars?

I want to know, yea, did you did you do anything with those lemon bars?

Were you because Nicole had where were you in the thirty percent?

I was like, really the ten percent?

Okay?

But I think was that I even said that I didn't get to taste them.

That was my you didn't need any because I had never got any.

That let me guess you're another one who does need sugar.

No, I really love sugar fresh guys.

But part of yes, but I didn't get a chance.

And my kids when they saw me in the kitchen, like, you.

Don't even bake, mom, what are you doing.

In that kitchen?

That was the going home to them.

Oh my god, that was difficult.

You know, going back when after when I left, Yes, it was, it was, but I didn't say anything to them about giving the first impression.

Rooms.

So we sat there that Wednesday.

My daughter's getting married.

That Saturday, so we're having a small going on, small watch party because we're having a big watch party on October fourth.

But my hometown, Newport, Rhode Island, they had a big watch party.

You're from Newport, Rhode Island, I am.

I'm from Boston, Massachusetts.

I knew I loved you.

Are you a Patriots fan?

Hell?

Yeah?

Okay, I mean Tom Brady yeah right, but you know it's gone.

I mean he's trying to learn how to speak on you didn't write away.

I know, I will talk, I will talk.

But the big big Patriots, Boston Celtics are huge.

Yeah, Bruins, Bruins, Red sox so so in your future besides rooting for the.

All the bosses and putting yourself out and putting.

Yourself out there, can you give us in one word your experience on the show magical, magical.

And one word about tonight.

Non magical wisdom, wisdom, wisdom.

Well, we thank you for bringing your beauty, your wisdom, and your fabulous smile to us tonight.

And we loved having you, and thank you.

We're so glad you stopped by the chat with us tonight.

See more of us.

You will welcome to our golden hour.

Am I going to be this beautiful something?

First of all, let me just say this dress on you is sunny.

But we have so many questions, so little time emotional?

Were you tonight?

Oh my god?

I met your family and they said to me, don't tell our mother, don't tell our mother.

Really my grandmother.

I couldn't believe it.

My son, my two granddaughters, my daughter, you face in the screen.

And then he goes, well, look back, there's a couple of people.

And there in front of us like a couple of people.

Okay, we have questions.

I want to I mean, I'm glad your family's there, but I want to know how was it facing mal tonight because we really thought we were so shocked when you went home, and I'm sure you were as well, So talk to us a little bit about that.

Yeah, like a princess.

Thank you so much.

It was beautiful and you crime, I mean we you really it was a princess date.

You are a princess, so tell me how to.

So that first date was amazing, you know, I felt the chemistry.

He's the man, like, he's the man, this is it, you know, and he has that masculine look.

He's funny.

He does play outside of the lines a little bit, and I kind of like that, you know, Oh I do a little bit.

Yeah.

So is it hard to see him tonight?

Yeah?

I was happy to see him.

He looked really good, handsome as could be.

Yeah, he looked amazing.

You're hugged when you hugged him, could just feel the emotions we felt that.

You' made a statement that I want to be friends.

Oh yes, definitely.

And that wouldn't bother you that he's with somebody else.

You would still Yeah, I.

Would like to remain friends, you know, why not?

Yeah, and if he has somebody, I think it is.

Yeah, she's amazing.

How did you feel seeing all the other women?

Oh it was great.

They're my sisters.

Oh my god, did you ever think because did you ever think you would make the friendships, never mind dating handsome man?

Did you ever think the friendship.

Your expectations coming in?

How did that?

God was way different than.

Because you know, I've been working, watching my mom.

I don't have time for friendship with a woman or a man.

And friends, you know, are great.

I've got some, but it's hard to see.

So you went pretty far.

And when he didn't call your name, how did it feel?

It hurt?

It really did.

It was in that car and I got.

In that cold ice plunge.

Like dog that I was like, wow, I was sitting literally, yeah, you like, I can't do it because he's so megan.

He was just like here I got in and it.

Was like, so what did you sorry?

What did you learn about yourself?

Yeah, it's in this journey.

What did you learn A lot?

I learned that you know, you can have that passion for a man and.

You need to go for it.

If you if you see a man that you've got some feelings for, go for it.

Let him know.

It doesn't always work out, but right it doesn't.

But hey, this was a chance, once in a lifetime chance.

You feel a little stronger about yourself.

Yeah, I feel like, yeah, are you ready to date?

Yeah, I'm ready to date.

We can make money caps.

I mean, hey, I'll go with you.

Guys, you're going to attract all the.

Dude, you got to get behind you to get behind your first.

Then second, what are you talking about?

You do?

Tell me in a word, if you can your experience, how would you?

Incredible?

Incredible?

So the pain is gone now it's holiness.

It really is holiness.

That's wonderful.

Do you feel like your life it's going to be different going forward?

What about your life is going to be do?

Yeah, it's going to be different.

Tell us I want to smile like you girls you do smile, and you know, I just want to get on an adventure.

I want to continue this adventure.

And I think now I'm going to be strong as a woman because I know that there's so many people out there that.

What do you want to say to those people out there?

What is your message to those women out there?

Oh?

My message is get out and show yourself.

It's not even always about finding a man.

No, it's just being good to yourself and go do what you want to what makes you happy?

Dress up a princess.

You are that you are the princess.

Say you didn't make him.

He did not make you the princess.

You are one.

So with that.

Happening, you're beautiful and beautiful.

We love you.

Thank you so much for joining us on the Thank you, and thank you for coming.

I'm going to talk more.

Now.

Welcome, Welcome, Welcome to the Golden Hour.

We're so glad that you stopped by the chat with us.

Thanks for having me.

I really appreciate it.

Nervous right now with us, come on with us.

I just met you, and this this is all about you, except for one thing.

If you have any older guys, you can fix me.

Up and we can we can take care of that.

Okay, now we're gonna get.

It due tonight for us and tell us.

We only have five minutes.

I thought of a million words, right, you know, No, but it was a great experience.

How is it seeing all the women again?

Great because you know, obviously I know them, you know, and I got to know them and seeing them again it's like a reunion.

You got to know because you're you're in your own sorority.

Yeah, fraternity sort of.

Speak, right, Yeah, so you're that's your group, right.

You're your season one, I'm season two and you know we're all together, our group is together.

Now I'm part of your group too.

You know, you're you're like you're born into you can't get out of it, right.

The hardest part for you tonight, The.

Hardest part was, you know, just you know, reliving some of the Yeah, and then you know when some of the women that you let go and you really didn't have a chance to talk to them and explain or talk to them, you know, to sort of, you know, soothe each other's feelings.

Debbie was asking you, is it because.

Yeah, it wasn't It was not even close.

I didn't think of those things.

Yeah, that's not even never came into my mind ever.

With the journey a lot different than you thought it would be, Yes, I didn't.

You know, it's just very unique and it's you know, it's like when you're in it's one hundred miles an hour, and you know it's intense, but you're also earning and there's a lot of clarity when you're doing it and you just sort things out quickly.

You don't want to judge things, yeah, and you.

Don't want to make the wrong choice.

You are true and I think, you know, based on my own personality, I made the right choices along the way.

That's a great feeling Wader when we first met and the Hulu Yes event, and I said, be true to yourself, stop breathe and.

Just focus on you and what makes you tick and what makes you feel.

And I can accomplish it.

And everybody who's been on the show, I took the advice because you went through it and you know exactly what I'm talking about.

And I was telling my son, I go take advice from everyone.

By the way, your sons are adorable, tattle Tale and the other ones.

Yeah, and sus By the way, I had a canary that on your promo when the show started, you had dirty dishes in the sink.

This is dwell over the edge.

Oh you know that's that's that's my son.

Uh Andre's.

See the one that talks.

Yeah, but I've quieted him down and love it.

I tempt him down, you know.

So now, what is the I want to know what is the biggest thing you learned about yourself on this journey?

What is what's something you learned.

You know that everybody talks about being vulnerable, but a lot of introspection because you meet you know, I've met twenty three women who have their own stories, and you sort of evaluate your story, you know, you know, against their story, not against but yeah, but you're sharing your You're like, oh, I have this story, you have that story.

You know what are the similarities and you know where do they mean?

Yeah, and you find out that you know, there's a lot of humanity there and people like love to share their stories and you pull things from it.

And I learned all that along the way.

I'm always open to two stories and you know in finding out about people, So that was really something special for me.

How do you like the clouds that you walk on?

Marshmallows marshal everybody talked about.

Everybody's going to be wearing them, folks.

They're the you have the cloud.

I know.

My grandsome for Christmas, there one hundred some dollars for Yeah.

But their recovery the recovery shoes.

So if you have if you work out, or you have a bad back or you know, fatigue, you wear them and they're just they're actually walking like cloud.

Or I want to know what is one word?

Because you know we're not selling sneakers here what is the one word that you would round this whole season?

Love your toasts.

We got to wrap here quickly, but your toasts were always fun, happiness and happiness.

And yeah you did that.

I noticed that love, happy and fun.

Right, that's what it is.

Yeah, that's what that's what it's about.

Right, it's great.

One last thing.

You feel more relaxed, more open to receive, being love and giving love.

Now, you were a little uptight in the beginning.

I got to tell you.

That's what I say.

I mean, we might like you might have called your stiff once or twice or three hundred, but we love you.

It's like it's like just trying to figure it out, right, Yeah, you don't want to you don't want to go overboard, you know, wrap the bat.

You want to take it slowly.

You got to find out what the people are.

Well, now you're here and now we have to wrap it up, so we can't take it slowly.

I'm going to be back on your show though, right, We're.

Just going to We want you.

Would you come back to we just let me know we would love to have you, and we hope you're having Are you?

Are you on for an hour?

It depends way.

I don't want to come in there.

We'll do two or three episodal.

I don't want twenty twenty minutes.

You know'd wade through all the commercials.

We'll give you an hour.

Got thanks for joining us now.

We both wish you a lifetime happy Thank you very much.

Unfortunately, we went past our time once again.

Kathy, I think this is it.

Well, you know it's if you If you love this, you just got to tune into Golden Hour Bachelor Nation dot com.

What's wrong?

What's wrong with that?

She said to do.

Usual last sell them funny?

I don't know why she's tired, she's she's lost it.

I'm so sorry, started laughing.

So it's more hungry on time.

Okay, Well, Kathy, we went past time once again.

We have to end this great night.

You know what, it was so much fun talking with all the women, and if you like this episode, you got to tune in to the rest of them because we've got more great guests coming up.

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