Hey, well, welcome back to that You're Happy Hour.

I'm Joe and I's Serena and we are here today with Juliana.

Juliana, welcome back to batter Happy Hour.

Thanks for having me guys, no problem.

Where are you today?

I'm in Newton, Massachusetts.

I'm at my parents' house today.

Nice.

Last time we had you on this podcast was post finale.

I think we did like a little catch up with you and Grant.

You guys were about to go on a trip with your family.

Jesus, Serena, don't rub it in.

Well, that's the last time we saw her.

That's just a fact.

Yeah, you know, a lot a lots haven't since then.

We're gonna get into it.

Yeah yeah, yeah, But how are you doing now?

What's new?

Catch us up?

I'm doing good.

Everything's been going really great lately in life, which I'm really lucky for.

Just crushing it in my nine to five and me and my sister launched our Nice Girls label back in June.

That's been so fun and so amazing and yeah, just getting ready for the holiday season.

It is Q four is kicking my ass.

What what has dating life been like for you?

Are you dating?

Uh?

So I have.

I have been dating.

It's been really fun.

But recently I actually went on like what they call a stoop date.

And okay, I saw this.

I think, yeah, so I just moved to Southie in September and they have her name is Jules and she does stoop dating, so she'll like people will apply and then she'll like matchmake you before you know, like who you're gonna be dating.

It's like a blind date, but on a stoop and Southie, like on her front steps.

And that went really well.

It was fun, it was cute.

We went on a couple of dates afterwards.

But unfortunately he told me like he couldn't handle the people coming up to him asking him questions, sending him DMS about me.

So I was like, totally understand, no hard feelings.

Gosh, that's so interesting.

I I've wed weirdly enough.

I've never dated outside.

Sorry, I'm just like my brain just glitching because I'm just realizing that since I went on the show, I never dated anyone not on.

The show, because I got engaged on the show.

So I've never experienced what it's like to date.

After being on reality television and.

The fact that people reach out to this person that you've been on a few dates with is wild to me.

Yeah, I mean, you know, it's it's still, like, I think, brand new for people to see me dating, and it was a public you know, like dating podcast per se.

So I think people were invested and kind of wanted to do their own research.

I think I've learned and I will be keeping my next relationship a little bit more on the down low.

Yeah.

I think if you, like, if you if you start someone and then like six months down.

The road, like you post like a photo of like our.

Six month engagement, like, I don't think that would have the same reaction opposed to like meeting somebody on like a virtual right.

I guess that kind of opens the door because you're sharing like, oh, I'm meeting this person and we might date, and then it kind of opens the roof for people feel comfortable commenting on it.

Yeah, totally, it's fair.

You know.

I assume when they started casting for this past season of Paradise you were pretty like newly single, So I'm assuming that's probably why you didn't do it.

But if they were to ask you to do the upcoming season, would you?

Yeah, I think I'm far enough away from like kind of the emotions of everything that I went through.

It was like challenging to even comprehend the thought of like going on another dating reality show.

But you know, I learned a lot and I'm sitting here a better person than I was before I went on.

So I would I would be interested.

Yeah, maybe we'll see.

Okay.

So so let's say you agree.

Mm hmm, you're packing your bags.

Yeah, what is your plan?

What do you?

What do you if you've you've seen Paradise before, I'm assuming did you watch this last season?

I watched a little a little bit of it.

Yeah, okay, so what's what's going through you?

What do you?

What's the plan?

I think it's just to go in with like a super open mind.

You know, when you go on the Bachelor, it's like you know who you're going for, so you're kind.

Of laser focused.

I think on like getting to know them and making sure they know you.

But I think I would hold my cards a little bit closer to my chest and just try and like get to know everybody, whether it's on like a friendly level or something romantic that I could see.

I have no idea how I would do with like those like physical challenges.

To be honest, that would probably send.

Me over the edge.

But if Gia Judice can be the queen of whatever show she was just on where they really like tore her down, like I feel like I could.

Forces Yes, I was like wait what and then yeah, I that we didn't watch that season.

We've only seen a few episodes of that show.

But that show is intense, and you do have people that don't come out of like sports backgrounds or Olympians or whatever that like do go on and they just crush.

It, right, I know.

And I thought to myself, like, you know, seeing them on Bachelor in Paradise, I was like, damn, it gave me kind of like PTSD from the Basketball date.

Like I am not like a physical activity type of gal, but like if you put me in those positions, I guess like just something in me takes over.

So I feel like there's a slight chance I could have, like you know, a chance at crushing it.

I don't know.

I'm curious to see if the formatting changes or stays the same, or what ends up happening next season.

I think it changes.

I think it changes too.

Does that kind of play into your decision at all of like, ooh, I could be walking into something that I don't actually know what it is, because they did kind of blindside them this season with like the competition element, the money, the new format, all the things.

Yeah, I think, I mean regardless, I would be putting myself in a like a new position and really just trying to like go into it with, like I said, an open mind for whatever comes my way.

I don't know that if they, you know, announced they were changing the format, if that would sway me one way or the other.

I think I would just have to be in a mindset where I want to meet somebody from within Bachelor Nation on a beach and just kind of have fun with it.

Would you be okay with your ex being there?

That's how you guys met, right or well met on Paradise.

There was that situation, but yeah, that wasn't like you you don't know going into it, So like, yeah, going in the paradise.

You don't know.

And then all of a sudden, you know, Grant comes walking down.

Is that yeah, could you handle that?

I like to think yes, but I you know, I don't know what emotions kind of would come flooding out of me if that was the case, if that like came to reality, I'm sure my heart would like sink, you know a little bit.

And I know it would be a bit uncomfortable to see him talking and kind of forming those relationships.

But then I would also be like kind of self conscious about him seeing me do that without trying to upset him, So it would be really hard to navigate, to be quite honest, I would probably pack up my stuff and go the minute his like feet touched the sand.

But that would just be for my peace of mind.

No bad blood, nothing of like that nature.

Yeah, you're good friends with Ali Joe, right.

Yeah, she didn't find love on the show, but it seems like her and Sam em are.

Oh I was gonna ask are they still together?

Yeah, they're doing great.

You know, they're managing the long distance really well.

I just I see her glowing and she seems really really happy.

So I think Sam for giving my girl a little love that she deserves.

I was bummed that they didn't cross pass because they definitely were both going into the show interested in one another.

I mean they both had said it before filming on this podcast, I think, so we were kind of waiting to see them cross pass because I don't think it was any secret that they were both interested in each other, and obviously he was gone before she made her way, so I was happy to see them connect after.

Yeah, me too.

Everything works out the way it's supposed to do, so if they didn't meet on the beach, they were definitely sure it's all going to make sure they met outside the beach.

Yeah, after the way everything played out for you, Hey, do you are you in grant on good terms?

Do you guys talk or no?

Just like whatever?

No, we don't talk.

We have talked since the breakup, which.

Is I think why I got a little defensive when he said we didn't, just because I didn't understand the logic behind that.

But you know, we don't talk.

I wish him well, to be honest, if you could go back to night one and be like a little angel on your.

Shoulder, what would you tell yourself?

What would you warn yourself?

Like?

Knowing what I know now, Yeah, ask more questions.

I think in the heat of the moment, you feel like a lot of this is getting somebody to get.

To know you.

I don't think there's a too much focus on making sure they know they you know who you are, so you know, asking questions just about his goals, his life, dreams, where he sees himself, you know, after all of this, And to be quite frank, I don't think that even if had I asked those questions that I would have gotten, like not to say truthful answers, because that's like I don't mean to say he's like lied or any of that.

I just mean I don't think he knew the answer to those questions.

So I don't know what answers he would have given me, but I definitely would have just tried to like poke the bear a little bit more and try to make sure he knew my hopes and dreams.

That's yeah, that's that's really important.

And I think you make a good point because I don't think a lot of people do that.

And I didn't even really think about that till we interviewed Pagan Mel.

And that was one of Mel's things about Peg was like she asked me questions, a lot of questions about my family and about myself.

Yeah, And I think, yeah, well, because when you're when you're a contestant, you're also like trying to stand out amongst thirty other people, and it does become this game of like I need to.

Let the lead know who I am.

Yeah, and then everyone gets so long and then everyone's like I don't even know this fucking guy.

Literally that's what happens.

So I think that's I think that's really common, and I think that's something that like people should start doing more.

Yeah, it's so hard.

It's so hard to like figure out the best way to make the most of your limited time on the show.

For sure.

And I mean, you know, there were things like afterwards, like after filming, after the finale, I just like the way I try to look at it is exactly that is, like what what could I have done better for myself?

And there's a lot of things, you know, like hindsight's the best, but I think I, you know, I let myself down in a lot of ways throughout the whole process, and that to me was like I think what hurt I think the most honestly.

At what point after the finale were you kind of like, maybe this isn't going as well as I had hoped it would go, Like was it kind of a slow decline or was it like what was that?

What did the breakup process kind of look like.

Honestly, you know, like I know, Grant and I have tried like our very best to kind of keep a lot of things under wraps, just because I know that he cares about me, and I do care about him, and I don't want him to have any negative backlash by any means.

But I think there's a little bit of clarity do here where I will say I woke up from the morning after.

Wasn't the finale, the morning after the finale, It was the next morning after we'd through all of this press.

I woke up and there was some words exchanged between the two of us that made me just feel completely alone and isolated and like I didn't even know why I had tried to stick around for as long as I did, and it was like heartbreaking for me.

Like that flight home from LA was like my sister luckily was with me.

She stayed with me to do my glam for all the interviews, but I couldn't have done it if she wasn't by my side.

I was like depleted as a human.

Yeah, do you want to share what those words are?

No?

You don't have to, No, No, I mean I think.

The thing I would like to share is that, you know, I had expressed some severe hurt, you know, and I felt like I was kind of carrying a lot of the emotions between both parties throughout the entire like watching it back because I had a sports system, right and I knew I could lean my people.

I was good.

I could put my stuff on the back burner till I needed to deal with it.

So like his mental headspace was like my top concern because I cared about him and I wanted to make sure he was okay, and he was getting a lot of backlash, and ultimately, you know, I had watched things back because I couldn't hear things like live in it light, live time.

I guess that what you want to call it.

But like I had watched things back, and I had knew basically everything.

Nothing Latia said had like struck a nerve.

I think it was just the matter of how it was handled from his end and trying to get him to take some accountability in that.

And I was really upset and I probably spoke out of anger and said some really hurtful things that night before, and then when we woke up, the first thing he said to me was like he had gain planned like different ways we could announce our breakup.

And I hadn't even made that decision and on my end, and I was supposed to be leaving to go to La, I mean to come home from LA and I was like, that's how we're going to start this day and have this conversation.

And after everything I felt like I did for us and putting myself on the back burner.

Like it's back to the optics.

It's back to.

What people are going to think and like, not about us and our relationship, it's what the outside world thinks.

And I just I couldn't handle that anymore.

Yeah, the audience, I think it's hard.

The audience sometimes becomes a third person in your relationship.

Yeah.

Yeah, so that was rough.

Yeah, that's very tough.

As we laughed, Okay, so we do.

I think Carolina did recently did a podcast Ben in Ashley's podcast, Yeah almost famous.

Have you heard any clips from the podcast or anything about what was said by her?

Uh?

No, I just I saw the teaser pop up on my Instagram where she said she's gonna be very honest about her thoughts on me.

But you know, in the nicest way possible, I simply do not care.

I don't have the time or energy to listen to what she thinks of me, or how she felt I was, or how you know, how she views me.

I think that you know, when she started to utilize my breakup as a way for her to get some like clout online or to kind of come back into the limelight and speak her truth on our relationship and then go ahead and text me to let me know that she was strategically doing things online but private, privately wishing me well.

Again.

I say this in the nicest possible way, but in the wise words of Taylor Frankie Paul, that's a snake in the grass and I'm not a gardener, so she can live there all she wants, but I'm not going to take her out.

Do you watch Do you watch The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives?

I don't really obsessed with it.

Yeah, good on my list of things like to watch.

Especially with Taylor being the new bachelorette, I like want to know her.

I think she's so cool and unique, like for all the reasons, and so I'm excited.

Yeah, I think it's going to be.

I think it's going to be.

Really, I think it's going to be a really good season.

Yeah, what was I going to ask?

Who are you friends with from your seasons or anyone that you actually still talk to now?

Oh?

Yeah, I talked to Ali Joe, of course, I see her quite a lot when I go to Florida.

I talked to Parisa and Beverly.

You know, there's a few girls that we just kind of like show love online, don't like really text all that much.

But you know, I have love for all all the girls on the season, and I'm silently all of their fans.

Are you and Latia good?

Was there ever like beef with.

You guys, Like a conversation had between you guys?

No, I feel like I'm just like spilling all the tea here today, But do it?

You know, I think it's not something I want to like talk too much about because it's something I've like kind of healed and moved on from, to be honest, But me and Latia's relationship was pretty complicated from like the first ever FaceTime we had.

It was me her and Sarah Fina and I'd spoken to like the other girls, and you know, no one had like really confirmed or knew how it ended, and everyone was treading so lightly and cautiously with me, and I appreciate them all so much for that.

And her and I and Sarafina were doing the same thing, just kind of like catching up.

And then she sprung it on me towards the end of the call that you know, her producer had told her how everything ended.

And I was totally caught off guard, and I was like, oh shit, like I haven't told any of the girls.

I hadn't even told Ali Joe.

I was just like so anxious, and I walked her kind of through like everything that happened in the best way that was like kind of the most polite.

I felt so uncomfortable and sad, but I knew she kind of wanted to know, and I wanted to give her maybe some closure with that, and I expressed that, you know, I was really, really really anxious for the other girls to find out.

I didn't want it to deter you know, our friendships.

And she promised me, you know, she wouldn't tell anybody, and she did, and she told multiple girls and they called me and said, Lysia told me the news, blah blah blah, and you know, they were all so gracious about it, and it's not about the fact that I didn't want them to know.

It was just I was in such a fragile kind of time frame right then, and I was trying to find the words and also understand everything I had just been through, and so I think from there, I told my sister and I called one of the producers, who she was like, there's no way, you know, her producer would have.

Said that, and like that's a he said.

She said that, I don't ever think I'll care to know the true truth of it all.

But you know, it rubbed me the wrong way, and it made me upset, and it made me a little bit weary of the friendship.

And I try my best to like put myself in her shoes.

And I don't know that I would have done that, but I could understand like the emotions driving those behaviors.

So I gave her grace with that, and we continued to kind of just have a you know, friendship at arms distance, and towards the end of things, I was texting her, you know, saying you did great, Like this can't be easy, you know, I wish you well, And I texted her before the live show being like, you know, at least we get to.

Like serve on stage together one last time, like, I.

Know it's going to be really hard, and she didn't answer, and I think that's when I started to kind of sense I was unsure of the magnitude of her feelings about it all, and I wasn't going to intrude myself in her healing process or prevent her or make her feel like she couldn't speak her truth because we had a relationship.

So I thought it was best to kind of like withdraw myself, and that's what I did.

Yeah, damn, what show were you on?

This is a did you ever think when you like signed up for this and when you got ready to go on, did you ever think like this would be your experience?

Because it is pretty I mean, it sounds pretty heavy.

Like as we're asking you all these questions, I'm kind of like, damn, yes, this this kind of sucked.

Yeah, honestly, you know it, It felt like it did in the moment, and like I'm not lying when I like was a shell of a human for a little bit.

After the finale and even throughout watching it all back, I totally disassociated and just was like I just got to get through it.

I just got to get through it and then I can figure my shit out, you know.

But it was it can end in all sort of ways, right Like sometimes they never they don't get engaged to either.

Sometimes you know, it's it's you.

Sometimes it's not.

Sometimes it gets sent home night one.

So I kind of just went in being like, I really hope this is all awesome.

It was when we came back from filming when things started to get all weird and like uncomfortable, and I was like, what, like can I like opt out?

Like can we just like end this season early?

Like I'm good, Like don't show me on TV anymore.

Like I appreciated all the like love and support that I got because that was like insanely overwhelming in the.

Best way possible.

But it doesn't really mean as much when you're internally fighting like some hard battles, and I felt like it was just one thing after the other.

Yeah, yeah, you got hit with a lot.

What did your healing journey look like?

Just surrounding myself with my people again.

I think a really cool thing about why I wanted to come back to Boston after all of this was because you know, Newton in particular is a place that shaped me as a person, as a daughter, as a.

Friend, and all these things.

And I think Boston is a little underrated in a lot of like categories from fashion to entrepreneurship businesses, and you know, I think the healing part of me was the ability to give back to my community.

You know, small side stories.

My dad started at a Honda village in Newton Corner as a valet, like over forty years ago, and he worked his way up to he's now the general manager there and his favorite thing is like giving back and he's making a change in like the lives of people he sees on a daily basis.

And I think that that was my goal and he is my role model.

So I just really locked in on like, Okay, now I have, you know, over one hundred thousand people that care about me, what can I do?

And it was I can give back to the people that helped me get here.

And that was just I think what I like dove into.

And luckily my sister and I had you know, the brand and the platform of nice Girls labeled to show up to all these really amazing fundraisers and galas and sure like the notoriety from the Bachelor's Maybe what they wanted me therefore invited me from and I'm so thankful for that.

But when I was there, it wasn't back lurgely on.

It was trying to spread the message of like kindness, inclusivity and just like loving yourself.

Through the mission of Nice Girl's Label.

And I think that that has helped kill me tenfold because it's making me focus on really positive and healthy things.

Would you consider so?

Yeah, I mean that all makes sense.

And I think like going back and like being in Boston where you're from and around your friends and family is like really important because it's just okay, like this is my this is this is real life.

Like everything else was just kind of like this experiment that I did that didn't really pan out.

But let's say you were, hypothetically you were to go on paradise and you do meet someone and he lives in Wyoming.

Mm hmm, are you are you can we go like Chicago, New or.

He lives in Chicago?

Like are you are you.

Willing to potentially move for someone else?

Or is it like I want you to come to Boston.

No, I think that I'm open.

I think that you know, Boston will always be my home.

But like home in the sense of where I feel like most at ease.

And I think that if somebody is willing to include me in their life, in their home, like of course, I would give them the opportunity to show me that.

It just would have to be.

It would have to make sense.

I you know, I also had a nine to five, and I have a nine to five that keeps me kind of locked in at Boston, and I'm and so like a lot of things would have to change.

But it's not to say that I'm so dead set like never leaving.

Like shoot, I want to move to Florida.

You know, I'm trying to figure that out.

Like, but I'm open.

Nice.

Yeah, I was gonna say, before we get close to wrapping up here, is there anything else in terms of like the perception of you, your relationship rumors you've seen online comments people have made that you want to clear up or address what we have you here.

Yeah, there's only one thing, and it's it's kind of shitty.

But I think that.

Taking away the breakup and the public kind of going through being in the public eye, the ups and downs of that, I think that the one thing that really hurt my feelings the most and was disheartening was when Letia went on a podcast and insinuated things about my sex life, and then Zoe chimed in in the comments online to basically confirm that Letia was talking about me, to make sure people knew that.

I only say that because I think it was such a dagger and it added fuel to this fire of she was the easy choice.

You know, he chose lust over love, and I think it was so embarrassing for me to deal with that, and I was embarrassed for my family.

I was embarrassed for my employer.

I was mortified that, you know, people that didn't know me would think that I, you know, slept with this man just to get a ring on my finger or to win a reality show.

I think that, truly, if I was her, I would be embarrassed for saying that, because I think as women we do have to stick together, and of course there's gonna be little tidbits here and there, and things we don't agree on and hate spread whether we like it or not.

But to bring another sex another.

Woman's sex life into a public eye conversation when she didn't hear it from the source and heard it through the Grapevine and doubled down on it in the last podcast she did that I probably should have listened to, but I had my sister do the recon on that is it's.

Disheartening, and it's it's.

I don't I'm not calling her ugly, but it's ugly behavior and that's not the case, and that wasn't the case.

And I would just love to put that to bed so that she can stop talking about it and I can stop getting dms calling me some uncomfortable names because somebody is out there saying that I'm sleeping around to get a ring.

Well, now that we're on the topic of Lousteau, are there any guys in bachelination that you would be interested in in potentially dating?

Yes, okay, let's let's Will you give us tea?

You can't give us all, but you could give us how about this, give us initials.

Or see the season that they were from.

Oh, I'm bad the seasons.

I can't do that.

I don't, I don't, I don't know it like that.

Okay, but you can give her about this.

Just I'll go as easy as a last name initial.

That's not gonna do anything for anyone.

And if and if I guess it, and if I guess, you got to tell me I'm right.

Oh that this is a crazy game.

She's gonna give you one letter of the alphabet and you're gonna guess out of the hundreds of men from this franchise, which when she's interested.

In Yeah, let's go.

Okay, M.

Like maybe.

I don't know.

Yeah, I don't know.

Joe, thank you so much for coming on.

We really appreciate it.

And yeah, this was fun.

Thank you, Thank you so much.

I was so surprised when you guys said you want to be on because it feels like we're such old news.

Now, you know, never old news.

Never old news.

Everyone's still chatting about it.

So we had to bring you on.

And thank you so much for being open and vulnerable, and we're wishing you all the best in your healing journey.

We hope to see you in paradise maybe in the future.

Thank you guys so much.

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