1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:04,086 I've been fortunate to do some work with Nick Faldo. We did little podcast stuff 2 00:00:04,110 --> 00:00:07,594 with him at performance golf. Yeah. So we get to pick his brain a lot. 3 00:00:08,014 --> 00:00:11,102 And I was talking to him two days ago about this, and he said when 4 00:00:11,118 --> 00:00:14,926 he would go to majors, he knew there was only maybe five to 5 00:00:14,950 --> 00:00:17,918 ten guys that really had a chance to win, and the rest were kind of 6 00:00:17,926 --> 00:00:21,234 just there. And I was like, what is that? 7 00:00:21,614 --> 00:00:24,662 How do you get that? Are you born with that? Do you learn it? And 8 00:00:24,678 --> 00:00:27,992 he said when he would get in those pressure moments, he would get 9 00:00:28,048 --> 00:00:31,884 excited and look forward to it and want to show off. 10 00:00:32,744 --> 00:00:36,444 He said a lot of guys get to those moments, and they get scared, 11 00:00:36,944 --> 00:00:40,696 fearful and afraid. And I thought that context was 12 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:44,284 kind of pretty good there, where I'm like, you know what? I think that's correct. 13 00:00:45,384 --> 00:00:49,080 Did I tell you about my albatross? Hey, yo. Here we 14 00:00:49,112 --> 00:00:52,872 go. Come on. Welcome to another episode of did I tell 15 00:00:52,888 --> 00:00:56,736 you about my albatross? I'm your host, Albie. This is the golf podcast 16 00:00:56,800 --> 00:01:00,304 for honest degenerates. It's like teening up with your favorite foursome every week and 17 00:01:00,344 --> 00:01:04,120 diving into the best stories in and around golf. You guys 18 00:01:04,152 --> 00:01:07,472 ready to tee off? Let's go. We at it. Chilling on the right side of 19 00:01:07,488 --> 00:01:09,404 the green. Sip a little something. 20 00:01:17,184 --> 00:01:20,696 Welcome, welcome, welcome to another edition of did I tell you about my 21 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:24,352 albatross? I'm your host, Alby, and boy, do we have a good one for you 22 00:01:24,368 --> 00:01:28,006 today. I've got ericorno with 23 00:01:28,030 --> 00:01:31,854 ericornogolf.com. And Eric, 24 00:01:31,934 --> 00:01:34,942 actually, Eric, do you mind if I just introduce you by sharing some 25 00:01:34,998 --> 00:01:38,798 stats with my audience? Okay. All right. You've taught 26 00:01:38,846 --> 00:01:42,390 over 35,000 in person lessons I've got here. You've 27 00:01:42,422 --> 00:01:46,150 taught over 200,000 golfers online. You've been named one of Golf 28 00:01:46,182 --> 00:01:49,686 Digest's best young teachers in 2023. Golf 29 00:01:49,710 --> 00:01:52,826 Digest has also named you the best teacher in the state of 30 00:01:52,850 --> 00:01:56,650 Pennsylvania. You pioneered. I love this, by the way. You pioneered 31 00:01:56,762 --> 00:02:00,538 the reverse slice sequence. You've been featured in Forbes. And really, I 32 00:02:00,546 --> 00:02:04,394 mean, talking about golf publications, you're everywhere. You've partnered with some of the greatest 33 00:02:04,434 --> 00:02:08,114 golf mines in the world, including Sir Nick Faldo. I've seen you with Ledbetter. You 34 00:02:08,154 --> 00:02:11,014 name it. You have over 79 35 00:02:11,394 --> 00:02:14,730 million views since 2017. 36 00:02:14,882 --> 00:02:18,602 79 million. It's insane. You have a new channel that's 37 00:02:18,618 --> 00:02:22,344 gonna make everyone a better person. It's called lessons I've learned with Erica Gorno. 38 00:02:22,474 --> 00:02:26,060 You have over 300,000 subscribers on your golf 39 00:02:26,092 --> 00:02:29,916 YouTube channel. Eric, Gorno Goff. First of all, Eric, welcome 40 00:02:29,940 --> 00:02:32,292 to the show. But do I have all of that? Do I have all of 41 00:02:32,308 --> 00:02:35,836 that, right? I think that all sounds correct, man. Yeah, I 42 00:02:35,860 --> 00:02:39,636 appreciate. Appreciate that. Appreciate those kind words. Yeah, well, no, man. Well, I appreciate you 43 00:02:39,660 --> 00:02:42,556 hopping on here. You've actually been someone. You don't even really know this, but you've 44 00:02:42,580 --> 00:02:45,796 actually been someone that, you know, I subscribe to for quite some time now. I've 45 00:02:45,820 --> 00:02:49,532 learned a lot from you, and you have a gift, and, I mean, I've. 46 00:02:49,628 --> 00:02:52,540 So. So, Eric, just so you know, man, I have, like, I'm a four to 47 00:02:52,572 --> 00:02:56,348 five handicap. I've taken lessons from probably, I 48 00:02:56,356 --> 00:02:59,544 don't know, maybe 50 or so, 50 or so 49 00:02:59,844 --> 00:03:03,452 instructors, and I've landed with one of my co hosts, actually, on the 50 00:03:03,468 --> 00:03:06,956 podcast. He's a PGA teaching pro, and he was really upset that he couldn't join 51 00:03:06,980 --> 00:03:10,660 us today. And he's awesome. Don't be wrong. He's 52 00:03:10,692 --> 00:03:14,452 great. But, man, you have a special gift in the fact that you're able to 53 00:03:14,548 --> 00:03:18,188 pass along a particular lesson in a very digestible 54 00:03:18,316 --> 00:03:22,050 and very applicable way. Like, a lot of times I'll go through these 55 00:03:22,082 --> 00:03:25,402 lessons with different instructors, and they're, I mean, you know, they're all great in their 56 00:03:25,418 --> 00:03:28,850 own right, but the one thing that I think is very, very difficult is to 57 00:03:28,882 --> 00:03:32,602 be able to actually, you know, translate what they're actually 58 00:03:32,658 --> 00:03:36,106 saying in something that's digestible, something that's applicable, and something that you can 59 00:03:36,130 --> 00:03:39,506 actually start using right away. And I feel like you, dude, you're a pro at 60 00:03:39,530 --> 00:03:43,322 that. Thanks, man. I appreciate that. And, you 61 00:03:43,338 --> 00:03:47,130 know, there's obviously before we started doing videos, you know, like, 62 00:03:47,242 --> 00:03:50,594 I spent my first ten years trying to get really great at 63 00:03:50,634 --> 00:03:54,482 coaching. And one of the things, man, I learned early on was to be 64 00:03:54,498 --> 00:03:58,242 a really effective coach, you have to be great at communicating 65 00:03:58,298 --> 00:04:01,978 with the person in front of you. You got to be able to distill. You 66 00:04:01,986 --> 00:04:05,082 know, the golf swing is remarkably 67 00:04:05,178 --> 00:04:08,854 complicated, but at the same time, beautifully simple. 68 00:04:09,314 --> 00:04:13,154 Right? Which is kind of like a weird dynamic. And when you're 69 00:04:13,194 --> 00:04:17,042 coaching someone to be a great coach, you've got to be able to communicate with 70 00:04:17,058 --> 00:04:20,650 the human in front of you really, really well. And I think what served me 71 00:04:20,682 --> 00:04:23,946 well was I studied a lot of communication and worked on that just for my 72 00:04:23,970 --> 00:04:27,610 one on one lessons for ten years before we started saying, hey, let's start doing 73 00:04:27,642 --> 00:04:31,354 some YouTube videos. And so it's sort of a natural transition to being 74 00:04:31,394 --> 00:04:35,202 on camera for me and trying to basically communicate what I would 75 00:04:35,218 --> 00:04:38,282 communicate to one person in front of me, to the masses. And how do you 76 00:04:38,298 --> 00:04:41,850 take that lesson and make it fairly applicable for everyone? 77 00:04:41,922 --> 00:04:45,706 So I appreciate that. That's something that was definitely a learned skill for me. Yeah, 78 00:04:45,730 --> 00:04:48,538 well, I think it's one that's really important that you focus on that, because I 79 00:04:48,546 --> 00:04:51,066 think it's a differentiator for you. And I know one of the reasons that you're 80 00:04:51,090 --> 00:04:54,872 here today is because you're launching this new YouTube channel, which I'm fascinated by. It's 81 00:04:54,888 --> 00:04:58,072 something that, you know, I, you know, with the podcast and everything that we've been 82 00:04:58,088 --> 00:05:01,856 doing, obviously it's more golf focused, but really, you know, maybe it makes 83 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:05,088 sense. All my listeners can tune out. They've heard this story on just about every 84 00:05:05,136 --> 00:05:08,936 episode. So let me just explain to you, Eric, how this podcast came 85 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:11,672 about and why I was so excited to bring you on, because I think it 86 00:05:11,688 --> 00:05:15,480 does relate to this new, you know, this new channel that you're, that you're 87 00:05:15,512 --> 00:05:19,256 launching. So, you know, really. And I, by the way, I love telling the 88 00:05:19,280 --> 00:05:22,880 story. So the year is 2020. Member, member golf 89 00:05:22,912 --> 00:05:26,632 tournament. My buddy and I, five, final hole, two day tournament, final 90 00:05:26,688 --> 00:05:30,504 hole. It was a par five. We call it pine one. So we ended up. 91 00:05:30,544 --> 00:05:33,648 We actually ended the tournament on the first hole. It was a shotgun tournament. Anyway, 92 00:05:33,736 --> 00:05:37,096 so we tee off righte off, hit a really good drive, 93 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:41,000 and I was 247 out. Three wood, it goes in. Now, 94 00:05:41,032 --> 00:05:44,416 that's not even the crazy part. The crazy part is that we had two buddies 95 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:46,752 that were waiting for us to finish, so they were actually at the, at the 96 00:05:46,768 --> 00:05:49,288 hole. We go over there, and I start looking for this ball. And one of 97 00:05:49,296 --> 00:05:51,224 my buddies, Nick, he goes, hey, man, did you hit a good shot? And I 98 00:05:51,224 --> 00:05:53,758 was like, oh, that's probably one of the best three boys I've ever hit. He 99 00:05:53,766 --> 00:05:56,542 was like, yeah, it went way over the green, man. It's somewhere over there. So 100 00:05:56,558 --> 00:05:59,670 I start looking for this thing. Can't find it anywhere. Finally, I'm like, dude, where's 101 00:05:59,702 --> 00:06:02,982 this ball? And he said it went in the hole. And so I'm like, all 102 00:06:02,998 --> 00:06:05,886 right, great. So we lose our mind, we go inside, we turn our scorecard in, 103 00:06:05,910 --> 00:06:09,606 and, Eric, this is where things just get, like, bonkers. They're 104 00:06:09,630 --> 00:06:13,446 like, oh, yeah, by the way, going into that last hole, you were three shots 105 00:06:13,510 --> 00:06:17,078 back of the lead. So with that albatross, you ended up tying 106 00:06:17,246 --> 00:06:20,848 for the win of the tournament. And, I mean, we were doing a Calcutta at 107 00:06:20,856 --> 00:06:23,912 our club, so we won a couple thousand dollars. Dude, I thought I was gonna 108 00:06:23,928 --> 00:06:26,784 be famous. I thought I was gonna have your following by now. I thought immediately 109 00:06:26,824 --> 00:06:29,568 I was gonna like, so, but no one cares about my golf shot. Like, no 110 00:06:29,576 --> 00:06:32,072 one cares. My wife's sick of me talking about it. My friends, too. So I'm 111 00:06:32,088 --> 00:06:34,856 like, I'm gonna start a podcast, and I'm gonna tell the whole world about it 112 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:37,552 until Scott Van Pelt and I are doing what you and I are doing right 113 00:06:37,568 --> 00:06:40,816 now, and I'm on sports centers. That's the whole premise. But really, the whole reason 114 00:06:40,840 --> 00:06:44,364 I bring that up, Eric, is because this new channel that 115 00:06:45,024 --> 00:06:48,638 you're bringing to market, which I love, and correct me if I'm wrong, get me 116 00:06:48,646 --> 00:06:52,126 on the guardrails here. But it's really more along the lines of, like, personal development, 117 00:06:52,270 --> 00:06:56,022 the mental side of things, and what that one shot taught me. I mean, 118 00:06:56,038 --> 00:06:59,350 yeah, it's a lucky shot. I get that. But, dude, I've started living my whole 119 00:06:59,382 --> 00:07:02,974 entire life a lot differently. Like, now I kind of think that, like, really 120 00:07:03,014 --> 00:07:06,790 anything's kind of possible. Like, even though, like, you know, the odds of that, which, 121 00:07:06,822 --> 00:07:09,878 by the way, I have the odds. I hired a data scientist to figure out 122 00:07:09,886 --> 00:07:13,094 what the odds are to be in that predicament, to hit an albatross, you know, 123 00:07:13,134 --> 00:07:16,364 to tie for the win a tournament. He came back with one in 600 million. 124 00:07:16,534 --> 00:07:20,344 And because of that, I'm like, now anything's possible, no matter 125 00:07:20,384 --> 00:07:24,040 what. As long as you just think that anything's possible, then you have a much 126 00:07:24,072 --> 00:07:27,808 better chance of realizing whatever it is that you're going after. And 127 00:07:27,816 --> 00:07:30,112 so that's why when I saw this new channel, I was really excited, and I 128 00:07:30,128 --> 00:07:33,608 started digging into it, man. I really think you're onto something. So that's why I 129 00:07:33,616 --> 00:07:35,924 was excited to have you on here. 130 00:07:37,384 --> 00:07:41,164 What a story, dude. Isn't it amazing, too? 131 00:07:43,004 --> 00:07:46,724 Like, you before that shot and you after that 132 00:07:46,764 --> 00:07:50,588 shot were essentially the same human, in terms of, 133 00:07:50,596 --> 00:07:53,980 like, your skills, what you're able to do, your network connection, 134 00:07:54,172 --> 00:07:57,516 but just a mindset shift. Right. Could 135 00:07:57,540 --> 00:08:01,260 completely change your life. Totally. And that's. Yeah, I mean, that is what that 136 00:08:01,292 --> 00:08:04,636 new channel is about, man. Like, for me, with golf, like, you know, golf coaching 137 00:08:04,660 --> 00:08:07,904 is, like, our main shtick. I felt like I 138 00:08:08,324 --> 00:08:11,932 coached golf, played golf, learned enough where I'm like, hey, let me share. 139 00:08:12,028 --> 00:08:15,556 I think I can really help people. And I coached, 140 00:08:15,740 --> 00:08:19,116 spent ten years trying to get great at coaching before we did that. Once we 141 00:08:19,140 --> 00:08:22,900 launched this channel, and I got really into personal development and improved myself 142 00:08:22,932 --> 00:08:26,628 in my life, I spent the past eight years now really studying personal 143 00:08:26,676 --> 00:08:30,180 development, improving my own life, testing things out of myself to where now I 144 00:08:30,212 --> 00:08:33,972 feel just like I did day one in golf. Like, hey, I know enough 145 00:08:34,028 --> 00:08:37,720 now where I feel comfortable being able to share with other 146 00:08:37,752 --> 00:08:41,032 people. And so just like, I share lessons of golf, this is just when we 147 00:08:41,048 --> 00:08:43,592 put out a video, it's just more of like, hey, maybe this will help you. 148 00:08:43,648 --> 00:08:46,760 This is what I've learned. You know, I want to do the same thing with 149 00:08:46,792 --> 00:08:50,336 those, those sort of videos for those that are interested in improving themselves beyond just 150 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:53,968 the golf. Love it, man. I love it. And then to take that skill that 151 00:08:53,976 --> 00:08:57,216 we were talking about earlier and being able to, you know, to really apply your 152 00:08:57,240 --> 00:09:00,008 teaching style to it, I mean, I think it's going to be. I think it's 153 00:09:00,016 --> 00:09:03,296 going to be really valuable for, you know, really for everyone, not just golfers. That's 154 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:06,122 why, that's why I'm really excited for it. You know, like, my family, I come 155 00:09:06,138 --> 00:09:09,730 from a family that is, they're really big into personal development. Wasn't taboo. It wasn't 156 00:09:09,762 --> 00:09:12,962 like, you know, it was actually encouraged, like, growing up and everything. And so, you 157 00:09:12,978 --> 00:09:15,458 know, even, you know, but this golf stuff that I talk about, I've had a 158 00:09:15,466 --> 00:09:19,282 lot of guests on, and they're don't, don't get me wrong, they love it. And 159 00:09:19,298 --> 00:09:22,002 I have friends that, you know, tune into the podcast just cause they're my friends. 160 00:09:22,058 --> 00:09:25,658 But, you know, like, people like that, that maybe aren't, like, goth fanatics will 161 00:09:25,706 --> 00:09:29,214 actually be able to get, you know, something from it. Because, again, 162 00:09:29,634 --> 00:09:33,454 it's that teaching style that I think differentiates you. Eric, 163 00:09:33,494 --> 00:09:36,318 I got a favorite ask. Can you just kind of maybe share with me your 164 00:09:36,366 --> 00:09:40,126 journey from a golf perspective? Can you maybe, first 165 00:09:40,150 --> 00:09:43,214 of all, this whole concept of being scratched by age 15 is just 166 00:09:43,294 --> 00:09:47,134 incredible. But maybe just share with me what your 167 00:09:47,174 --> 00:09:50,954 journey and how you became one of the top online teaching pros. 168 00:09:52,374 --> 00:09:55,994 Yeah, sure, man. So I grew up playing all kinds of different sports. 169 00:09:56,374 --> 00:10:00,222 Baseball, basketball, football, golf. Well, I didn't start golfing until I 170 00:10:00,238 --> 00:10:03,936 was probably, like, 1213 ish. But I played baseball and 171 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:06,416 basketball my whole life. And I think, like a lot of us, you know, like, 172 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:09,096 I was a good baseball player, which in my mind meant, like, oh, I'm gonna 173 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:12,696 be the major league baseball player. And you 174 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:16,324 quickly realize that, like, okay, you're not as good as you think you are. So 175 00:10:16,904 --> 00:10:20,696 I started golfing in middle school. Cause my dad played on the weekends with 176 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:23,936 his friends, with his buddies. And I looked up to my dad. I think, like, 177 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:27,712 a lot of young boys do when you're growing up. And so I just wanted 178 00:10:27,728 --> 00:10:30,272 to hang out with my dad and his friends, and that's kind of how I 179 00:10:30,288 --> 00:10:33,814 got into the golfing. I never 180 00:10:33,854 --> 00:10:36,518 forget. He gave me a. He got me this little set of clubs. It was 181 00:10:36,526 --> 00:10:39,942 like a pitching wedge. And I was probably in, like, yeah, it's probably 6th grade 182 00:10:39,958 --> 00:10:43,142 at this point, and I think of myself as a good athlete at this time, 183 00:10:43,198 --> 00:10:46,358 right, for context, right? And I take the pitching wedge, drop a ball down in 184 00:10:46,366 --> 00:10:49,014 the backyard. We had, like, an acre and a half, and I hit a ball. 185 00:10:49,094 --> 00:10:52,470 My first swing. Pured it, like, couldn't have hit the ball any better like 186 00:10:52,502 --> 00:10:56,286 that. And then every other shot I hit was like, a shank 187 00:10:56,390 --> 00:11:00,138 duff high, left low, right that day. And it drove me nuts, 188 00:11:00,186 --> 00:11:02,690 you know, I was like, gosh, I can do whatever I want with a ball 189 00:11:02,722 --> 00:11:05,562 and bat and, you know, whatever, but I really had a hard time hitting that 190 00:11:05,578 --> 00:11:09,386 freaking ball that was just sitting there, right. And so, you know, I think 191 00:11:09,490 --> 00:11:12,578 out of wanting to have my dad and his friends and just the obsession of, 192 00:11:12,666 --> 00:11:15,854 why am I not good at this? Right away from, like, 193 00:11:16,394 --> 00:11:20,010 let's say, 6th grade, when I'm like, hey, I'm going to start golfing. I'm playing 194 00:11:20,042 --> 00:11:23,362 all these other sports. By, like, the end of 7th grade, 8th grade, I'm like, 195 00:11:23,378 --> 00:11:27,096 I'm going to quit everything else and just do this. Just golf. And 196 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:30,272 so, yeah, man, I went from just kind of playing to, like, by the time 197 00:11:30,288 --> 00:11:33,976 I was 15, you know, 9th into 9th, 10th grade was like, scratch 198 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:37,912 started shooting around par under par and some local tournaments. And then I went from 199 00:11:37,928 --> 00:11:39,888 thinking I was gonna be a pro baseball player to like, hey, I'm gonna play 200 00:11:39,896 --> 00:11:43,576 on the PGA Tour. Which, again, you quickly 201 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:46,672 realize it's not. There's a lot of kids out there who are really good. So, 202 00:11:46,728 --> 00:11:50,472 you know, by 9th grade, I'm gonna be a PGA 203 00:11:50,488 --> 00:11:54,260 Tour player. By, like, 11th or 12th grade, I'm like, oh, that's probably 204 00:11:54,292 --> 00:11:57,628 not going to happen. I still like the golf. How can I utilize this 205 00:11:57,676 --> 00:12:01,364 to get in a good college, et cetera? 206 00:12:01,404 --> 00:12:04,704 So I went and played at a small school in Pennsylvania called Lehigh. 207 00:12:05,004 --> 00:12:08,684 Played there for a little bit. And so, 208 00:12:08,724 --> 00:12:12,060 for context, this is 2008 ish, my 209 00:12:12,132 --> 00:12:15,852 freshman year, when everything happens with the economy. So 210 00:12:15,988 --> 00:12:19,700 I'm going into Lehigh. I'm thinking like, okay, I'm going to play 211 00:12:19,732 --> 00:12:23,500 golf. I'll do finance, kind of go work Wall street, whatever. All 212 00:12:23,532 --> 00:12:26,908 these kids that were in my recruiting class, that were recruiting me the year before, 213 00:12:26,956 --> 00:12:30,428 they were getting these mbas from Lehigh and go getting, like, six figure jobs out 214 00:12:30,436 --> 00:12:34,236 of school. And then a couple months later, right, the economy obviously goes 215 00:12:34,260 --> 00:12:37,756 way down. These same kids who just went to school for six years had all 216 00:12:37,780 --> 00:12:41,572 this debt from school, can't get a job anymore. So I'm like, 217 00:12:41,628 --> 00:12:45,452 okay, hey, maybe I gotta pivot a little. And at this time, and I'm gonna. 218 00:12:45,548 --> 00:12:48,060 This is. This is us getting the golf coaching here in a moment. At this 219 00:12:48,092 --> 00:12:51,878 time, I'm working at a local golf course, Bethel golf club, picking balls in 220 00:12:51,886 --> 00:12:54,994 the range, and I'm making minimum wage, maybe 221 00:12:55,454 --> 00:12:59,150 six, $7 an hour type of thing, right? And I'll never forget, this 222 00:12:59,182 --> 00:13:02,894 was August, and it was hot out, and I'm picking balls 223 00:13:02,934 --> 00:13:06,582 on the range, and our range is bumpy. So, I mean, I'm bumping up and 224 00:13:06,598 --> 00:13:10,318 down. I'm sweating. I'm, like, maybe hungover. I remember 225 00:13:10,366 --> 00:13:13,814 not feeling great, right? I'm, like, pissed off about doing this thing, and I drove 226 00:13:13,854 --> 00:13:17,658 the picker on the side of the range where the teaching area was, and 227 00:13:17,666 --> 00:13:21,290 there was a guy there, one of my best friends named Paul viola. I saw 228 00:13:21,322 --> 00:13:24,414 him as I was picking balls, giving this lesson to this old guy. 229 00:13:25,114 --> 00:13:28,682 They hit maybe, like, ten balls. This guy's just butting little shots out there. 230 00:13:28,818 --> 00:13:32,466 And I never. It looked very easy. He's under the shade, you know, breezy, 231 00:13:32,490 --> 00:13:36,002 whatever. I'm out there sweating. So I pull up, and he made an offhand 232 00:13:36,058 --> 00:13:39,674 comment that he just got paid $50 for a 30 minutes 233 00:13:39,714 --> 00:13:42,946 lesson. Not like braggy. I don't remember what it. But he remembered him saying 234 00:13:43,010 --> 00:13:46,732 that, and, like, a light bulb went off in my mind. That was like, 235 00:13:46,898 --> 00:13:50,672 I've got to work 8 hours picking balls to make $50? You're telling 236 00:13:50,688 --> 00:13:53,272 me you just made $50 in 30 minutes getting this guy to hit a ball? 237 00:13:53,288 --> 00:13:57,024 I could do that, right? And so that's how my coaching started. Like, 238 00:13:57,064 --> 00:13:59,544 the real. I'd love to say I had this passion. I wanted to help people, 239 00:13:59,584 --> 00:14:03,432 yada, yada, but it was really financially, I'm like, hey, I 240 00:14:03,448 --> 00:14:07,136 could make a lot more money coaching than I could picking balls. And the 241 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:10,484 same thing happened, dude, where when I first started coaching, 242 00:14:11,304 --> 00:14:14,684 things for me typically were coming pretty easy. I was good at school, sports, whatever. 243 00:14:15,034 --> 00:14:18,810 I gave my first couple of golf lessons, and I was really bad, like 244 00:14:18,842 --> 00:14:22,554 anyone is. But the lessons went really poorly. 245 00:14:22,674 --> 00:14:26,410 And just like when I had that first pitching wedge, where I'm like, okay, why 246 00:14:26,442 --> 00:14:30,210 is this so difficult? It made me obsessed. The same thing happened 247 00:14:30,242 --> 00:14:33,962 with the coaching, where I was like, damn, I'm not good at this. I'm 248 00:14:33,978 --> 00:14:37,810 getting really bad lessons. And that started a ten year journey 249 00:14:37,842 --> 00:14:41,514 of me being obsessed with getting better at the coaching. And 250 00:14:41,674 --> 00:14:45,362 that's how we led up to, you know, then to fast forward 251 00:14:45,418 --> 00:14:49,034 from there. I'm spending a lot of time doing in person coaching. This 252 00:14:49,074 --> 00:14:52,522 happened like, 1819 years old. By the time I'm like 253 00:14:52,578 --> 00:14:56,266 26, 20. Well, almost ten years. So 18. So I'm probably 28 years 254 00:14:56,290 --> 00:15:00,138 old. I'm teaching like six days a week. I'm out there. I 255 00:15:00,146 --> 00:15:03,114 feel like I'm back in this picking balls thing. I'm grinding out in the sun. 256 00:15:03,154 --> 00:15:06,738 I feel I was, like, 27 and, like, burnout. 257 00:15:06,786 --> 00:15:10,602 Yeah, like tired, you know? And so I'm thinking, gosh, I can't, man, if 258 00:15:10,618 --> 00:15:14,294 I'm, like, 56 years old, I can't be out here, you know, doing this forever. 259 00:15:14,714 --> 00:15:18,050 So that's when I started. That's when the whole thing started. Like, okay, let's start 260 00:15:18,082 --> 00:15:21,106 doing some videos. How do I grow our audience? I started looking at. I saw, 261 00:15:21,130 --> 00:15:24,690 like, Grant cardone and Gary Vaynerchuk, and I'm watching these videos about 262 00:15:24,722 --> 00:15:28,490 monetizing online, and that's where then the YouTube idea came 263 00:15:28,522 --> 00:15:32,266 from. Yeah, because. So what year was that? That was. You're saying 264 00:15:32,290 --> 00:15:35,434 that was 2016. 2016. Okay. 1617. 265 00:15:35,554 --> 00:15:39,376 Yeah, yeah. I mean. I mean, man, I must. I 266 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:42,880 probably started following you not too long after that, I think. Because my buddy 267 00:15:42,912 --> 00:15:46,752 here remembers at a club here in Tampa, and, you know, he was 268 00:15:46,768 --> 00:15:50,008 a huge fan. He took, I think. I'm not sure. I guess whatever one of 269 00:15:50,016 --> 00:15:52,712 the first offerings you had that was a subscription based. He was like, you gotta 270 00:15:52,728 --> 00:15:56,400 check this guy out. I hopped on board and we both took 271 00:15:56,432 --> 00:16:00,128 lessons. I mean, we've been following you guys for, I mean, 272 00:16:00,176 --> 00:16:04,012 shoot, however long that is. What 273 00:16:04,028 --> 00:16:07,292 do you think the difference is? I've had. And it's interesting because I had Matt 274 00:16:07,308 --> 00:16:10,972 Scharf on. Cause he's got these two albatrosses that were filmed and recorded and 275 00:16:10,988 --> 00:16:14,788 everything. It's just insane. Unbelievable. It 276 00:16:14,836 --> 00:16:18,524 changed things for him. And he was running down the course completely 277 00:16:18,564 --> 00:16:22,068 losing his mind because of the joy that you had. I know that feeling. But 278 00:16:22,196 --> 00:16:25,900 I was talking to him a little bit about his journey and similar. He 279 00:16:25,932 --> 00:16:29,572 started at a time where they just really wanted to, you know, they love golf. 280 00:16:29,628 --> 00:16:33,252 They really want to start documenting it. They came up with these crazy, like, you 281 00:16:33,268 --> 00:16:37,036 know, different challenges that. I mean, like playing golf with a frying pan. Like, 282 00:16:37,060 --> 00:16:40,868 they doing weird things and it somehow. But. But I think the timing was right. 283 00:16:40,916 --> 00:16:44,148 And obviously, look where they. Look where these guys are now. I mean, it's just 284 00:16:44,236 --> 00:16:47,692 unbelievable. I think also, too, the fact that it was before COVID So, like, it 285 00:16:47,708 --> 00:16:51,284 was also a perfect transition and you were set up perfectly for 286 00:16:51,324 --> 00:16:54,996 COVID when. When, you know, everything actually did convert to online. I mean, I'm 287 00:16:55,020 --> 00:16:57,892 in. I'm in sales for my nine to five job and, you know, I do 288 00:16:57,908 --> 00:17:01,116 a lot of customer meetings on site and everything. But, man, has that even shifted. 289 00:17:01,140 --> 00:17:04,940 And it really hasn't shifted back. Like, we primarily now do online meetings 290 00:17:04,972 --> 00:17:08,628 and it's all like, you know, it's all virtual. And I feel like you guys 291 00:17:08,676 --> 00:17:12,316 were, I feel like you guys were, you know, set for that from, you know, 292 00:17:12,340 --> 00:17:15,452 from day one. So how did COVID, did it just actually increase things for you 293 00:17:15,468 --> 00:17:19,260 or how did that work? Yeah, it's interesting, dude, we, like, we 294 00:17:19,292 --> 00:17:22,172 had a side note thing. I had it on albatross too, when I was in 295 00:17:22,188 --> 00:17:25,468 high school. Oh, no way. Tell me about that. I'm part of that. Yeah, I 296 00:17:25,476 --> 00:17:29,271 had a two, made a two on a par five driver 297 00:17:29,327 --> 00:17:32,487 three iron hole number two at my home course at Bethlehem, one hop boom in 298 00:17:32,495 --> 00:17:36,031 the hole. I actually birdied one, double 299 00:17:36,087 --> 00:17:39,751 eagled two, birdied three. Wow, that's quite the start. And then I 300 00:17:39,767 --> 00:17:43,203 got so uncomfortable and then shit the bed the rest of my hand. 301 00:17:45,823 --> 00:17:49,119 But, yeah. Anyway, so we put our first video up January 1, 302 00:17:49,151 --> 00:17:52,879 2017 was our first YouTube video. So we 303 00:17:52,911 --> 00:17:56,630 talk about this. It's interesting. When we first started, when I was doing the 304 00:17:56,662 --> 00:18:00,246 online or in person coaching, let's say 080708 305 00:18:00,270 --> 00:18:03,950 into 2016, 2017, there wasn't that 306 00:18:03,982 --> 00:18:07,342 many people doing videos that had membership sites and there 307 00:18:07,358 --> 00:18:10,806 was maybe three or four 308 00:18:10,950 --> 00:18:14,550 good ones, maybe. So the market was very 309 00:18:14,622 --> 00:18:17,838 small and so in 20, 310 00:18:17,926 --> 00:18:21,750 1718 1920s, we were building up. We started gaining a lot of market share 311 00:18:21,782 --> 00:18:25,476 in terms of the online coaching. So on a positive note, 312 00:18:25,500 --> 00:18:29,196 COVID was good because people were home. They're more open online coaching. So that helped 313 00:18:29,220 --> 00:18:33,012 some. But it went from like, the competition went from like there 314 00:18:33,028 --> 00:18:36,564 was five of us to there's 500, you know, golf coaches doing online 315 00:18:36,604 --> 00:18:40,324 coaching. So I'm not sure, you know, looking back upon it now, I think it 316 00:18:40,364 --> 00:18:44,156 sort of, the competition rose so much that it, I think it sort of 317 00:18:44,180 --> 00:18:47,972 evened itself out. It'd be interesting if that didn't happen where we would, where we 318 00:18:47,988 --> 00:18:51,596 would be. But certainly with the people, you know, people being. Getting nets at 319 00:18:51,620 --> 00:18:55,344 home and practice mats at home and being more open to online coaching. 320 00:18:56,004 --> 00:18:59,116 We actually, we just had our best YouTube year ever this past year, 321 00:18:59,260 --> 00:19:02,956 2023. Yeah. So we had our best year in terms of performance 322 00:19:03,020 --> 00:19:06,172 across the board. So we're still, you know, growing every year, which is, which is 323 00:19:06,188 --> 00:19:09,836 good. But the COVID thing's interesting because everyone does online coaching 324 00:19:09,860 --> 00:19:13,252 now. Yeah. So, you know, there was, there was far less than we were when 325 00:19:13,268 --> 00:19:16,156 we started. When you get these one on one lessons online, you know, I don't 326 00:19:16,180 --> 00:19:18,956 really think you lose much from the teacher being there. I mean, I guess there 327 00:19:18,980 --> 00:19:21,724 is sort of a lag in the sense that you don't get that instant feedback. 328 00:19:21,764 --> 00:19:24,992 You don't get that, you know, but, I mean, now there's even live. You can 329 00:19:25,008 --> 00:19:28,364 even do live variations where you can actually stream it, 330 00:19:29,424 --> 00:19:32,512 I guess. First of all, do you guys do that? Is that an offering that 331 00:19:32,528 --> 00:19:35,400 you have right now where you can stream, or is it still just like, hey, 332 00:19:35,432 --> 00:19:38,164 record a video and then I'll tweak it. 333 00:19:39,584 --> 00:19:42,976 It's still like 80%. Record video and I'll tweak it. We do some of the 334 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:46,084 streaming stuff and it's like, listen, there's nothing as good as in person, 335 00:19:47,184 --> 00:19:50,808 any sort of online thing. It might be 80% as good, 90% as good, 336 00:19:50,896 --> 00:19:54,430 but it's also, like, wildly more affordable. 337 00:19:54,542 --> 00:19:58,382 Right. Like, our offerings online start at $79. If 338 00:19:58,398 --> 00:20:01,774 you even want to think about coming to see, you know, in person, we're talking 339 00:20:01,934 --> 00:20:04,726 350 for an hour, 1500 bucks for a couple hour type of thing. So it's 340 00:20:04,750 --> 00:20:08,390 like the bang for your buck with online coaching is. Is 341 00:20:08,502 --> 00:20:10,914 very good. And I think, you know, 342 00:20:12,014 --> 00:20:15,846 I've honestly, man, through doing the videos and the analysis and sending back a 343 00:20:15,870 --> 00:20:19,686 plan, I found that the effectiveness is 344 00:20:19,710 --> 00:20:23,214 about the same as even if I was with them in person or if you. 345 00:20:23,294 --> 00:20:26,782 Yeah, or even if you're like, you're doing the live, like a Facetime or 346 00:20:26,798 --> 00:20:30,558 something. The benefit of doing the live FaceTime is you 347 00:20:30,566 --> 00:20:34,310 can get them to exaggerate more faster. So 348 00:20:34,342 --> 00:20:37,502 you might be like, hey, yeah, I know I'm supposed to do x move, but 349 00:20:37,518 --> 00:20:40,646 then when you're doing it, you're like, oh, that's not enough. Do more instead of 350 00:20:40,670 --> 00:20:44,422 waiting a week, three weeks, a month. So from that perspective, like, 351 00:20:44,438 --> 00:20:47,838 if I'm in, if I'm in person with you, the benefit 352 00:20:47,926 --> 00:20:51,622 is there's no stones left unturned and you're going to get the full. This is 353 00:20:51,638 --> 00:20:55,446 how far I got to go. If you're by yourself, which 98% of your 354 00:20:55,470 --> 00:20:58,950 practice, you're gonna be by yourself in between sessions and stuff, right? 355 00:20:59,102 --> 00:21:02,878 It's like, being very clear on, this is what we're doing. 356 00:21:03,006 --> 00:21:06,006 This is how much. This is how I know if I've done it correctly or 357 00:21:06,030 --> 00:21:09,430 not. Like, really going through those pieces, but like anything else, 358 00:21:09,462 --> 00:21:12,990 dude, you know, we. Let's. Let's say we do a thousand online lessons a 359 00:21:13,022 --> 00:21:16,694 month. It's like you do a thousand anything a month to get really good 360 00:21:16,734 --> 00:21:20,542 at knowing how to do it, regardless of the format. Yeah. Or the person, I 361 00:21:20,558 --> 00:21:23,786 guess, too. You said something really important there. I think that's. I always forget about. 362 00:21:23,810 --> 00:21:27,122 It's his exaggeration. Like, my buddy. His name's 363 00:21:27,138 --> 00:21:30,802 Lakin. We call him panda just cause he's got an amazing head cover. That's a 364 00:21:30,818 --> 00:21:34,570 panda. But he always says the same thing. 365 00:21:34,602 --> 00:21:38,002 He's like, he'll get me in these weird. It's so crazy. This is the thing 366 00:21:38,018 --> 00:21:41,538 that blows my mind with golf and just golf instruction. It's like, he'll get me 367 00:21:41,546 --> 00:21:45,014 in these really weird positions where I think 368 00:21:45,394 --> 00:21:48,698 I'll even think that I'm like, that is. And it's exaggeration. What he's trying to 369 00:21:48,706 --> 00:21:52,320 do is get me to exaggerate that particular. Whatever he wants me to do. And 370 00:21:52,352 --> 00:21:55,528 then I'll look at my swing, and it'll just feel. It'll look almost 371 00:21:55,616 --> 00:21:59,456 identical to me just swinging like I always do. I'll be like, 372 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:02,464 this is so weird. This looks totally weird. And then I'll look at the video, 373 00:22:02,584 --> 00:22:06,176 and it's like. You can't even really tell. It's just. It blows my mind. But 374 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:09,744 is exaggeration, in your opinion? Is that how you get your students to really, 375 00:22:09,824 --> 00:22:13,144 like. Like, I guess pick up that feeling or pick up what you're trying to 376 00:22:13,264 --> 00:22:17,016 teach them? Oh, there's no other way. Oh, really? Yeah, there's no other 377 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:20,624 way? Yeah. You're just. You're better off just accepting what you just said as 378 00:22:20,664 --> 00:22:24,290 is and just going in with, like, that's the expectation. 379 00:22:24,482 --> 00:22:26,802 And then. Cause I still get the same thing, dude. When I look at my 380 00:22:26,818 --> 00:22:30,618 swing and feel something, it looks completely different 381 00:22:30,786 --> 00:22:33,906 than what I feel is going on, but I know it going in, so it 382 00:22:33,930 --> 00:22:37,458 emotionally doesn't throw me off. Like, I know this is to come. 383 00:22:37,626 --> 00:22:40,578 And what's really key, you said, is that you look at the video where people 384 00:22:40,666 --> 00:22:44,354 really struggle. Like, if you. Because I get a lot of. I go 385 00:22:44,394 --> 00:22:46,818 get a lot of lessons, too, just to make sure I'm on the other side. 386 00:22:46,866 --> 00:22:50,668 I know what that feels like. And, like, if you're 387 00:22:50,716 --> 00:22:54,364 feeling those things, this is for someone listening. If you're feeling those 388 00:22:54,404 --> 00:22:57,196 things, and they feel weird and different. And you don't have 389 00:22:57,300 --> 00:23:01,060 immediate video confirmation where you can look 390 00:23:01,092 --> 00:23:04,724 at it from yourself or your coach. You are in 391 00:23:04,764 --> 00:23:08,516 for a rollercoaster ride. Really? So most players come too far over 392 00:23:08,540 --> 00:23:12,388 the top. The face is open, so they need to 393 00:23:12,436 --> 00:23:16,270 feel like they swing so far from inside. It's 394 00:23:16,342 --> 00:23:20,046 unbelievable. And probably that the club face is so 395 00:23:20,110 --> 00:23:23,934 crazy closed. And how do you know that? You've 396 00:23:23,974 --> 00:23:27,670 exaggerated enough is what the ball did. Oh, wow. So, 397 00:23:27,702 --> 00:23:31,142 like, let's go back to your example. Hey, I'm swinging too far inside out. The 398 00:23:31,158 --> 00:23:34,714 face is too close. Now, there'd be reasons why 399 00:23:35,294 --> 00:23:38,822 you might figure out earlier on. You extend too much, you don't rotate enough, 400 00:23:38,878 --> 00:23:42,614 you release too early, whatever. So you want to find root causes. 401 00:23:43,034 --> 00:23:45,962 But if you swing in now and the face is too close, and let's say 402 00:23:45,978 --> 00:23:49,734 you got to neutralize your path, you might need to feel like you're swinging 403 00:23:50,434 --> 00:23:54,282 wildly over the top, right? Like I could. Dude, I 404 00:23:54,298 --> 00:23:57,826 can't even believe that I can hit a ball from there. But then what did 405 00:23:57,850 --> 00:24:01,698 the ball do if the ball flew straight right? Let's just 406 00:24:01,706 --> 00:24:04,906 say you did it correctly, then by definition, that amount of 407 00:24:04,970 --> 00:24:08,658 holy shit is correct. Today. 408 00:24:08,786 --> 00:24:12,586 Today, right now, a month from now, you might feel that 409 00:24:12,610 --> 00:24:16,314 same. Holy cow. And the ball starts fading a little bit. You did too much. 410 00:24:16,474 --> 00:24:19,698 If the ball's still hooking, you didn't do it enough. And so what I try 411 00:24:19,706 --> 00:24:23,426 and do with students is like, let's just unemotionally accept that that's 412 00:24:23,450 --> 00:24:25,866 just what it is, right? We're stepping on the scale. This is how much we 413 00:24:25,890 --> 00:24:29,322 weigh. This is where we are. And then you can get into doing the, you 414 00:24:29,338 --> 00:24:33,170 know, get the changes going quicker. It's not easy. It's not easy, you know, 415 00:24:33,202 --> 00:24:36,896 but it's straightforward. So, Eric, I've got. I've asked. I've 416 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:40,672 asked, you know, Matt, I've had a couple other professional golfers on here. Here's the 417 00:24:40,688 --> 00:24:43,484 thing that I'm. I. That blows my mind with golf. 418 00:24:44,304 --> 00:24:48,040 The amount, like, okay, somehow, which, by the way, you started golf, 419 00:24:48,072 --> 00:24:51,824 we said when you were twelve or 13 and you came scratched by 15, is 420 00:24:51,904 --> 00:24:55,336 amazing to me. That's determination, man. That's how much you love your dad, I guess, 421 00:24:55,360 --> 00:24:57,248 is because you just wanted to figure out a way you could hang out with 422 00:24:57,256 --> 00:25:00,782 him more, which I love. But, I mean, you know, you. 423 00:25:00,968 --> 00:25:04,746 Okay. The amount of difference between. And we've got 424 00:25:04,770 --> 00:25:07,410 some amazing players at our club. We've got this one guy right now his name's 425 00:25:07,442 --> 00:25:11,002 Brandon. Shout out to Brandon. He's. He is. He plays on the 426 00:25:11,018 --> 00:25:14,130 canadian tour. Dude, this guy is like a plus six. I think he's a plus 427 00:25:14,162 --> 00:25:17,770 six. And he's right there. I mean, right there. He is by 428 00:25:17,802 --> 00:25:21,354 far, like, one of the best ball strikers I've ever seen. We've got another one, 429 00:25:21,474 --> 00:25:23,930 another buddy that's a friend of the show, he played on the corn ferry tour 430 00:25:23,962 --> 00:25:27,298 for years, and he's this probably the second best ball striker I've ever seen in 431 00:25:27,306 --> 00:25:30,970 my life. But, dude, you take someone like that, and then the fact 432 00:25:31,002 --> 00:25:33,722 that my buddy on the corn ferry tour, he's got a family now, and he 433 00:25:33,738 --> 00:25:37,418 actually. He's an instructor, so he teaches now. And, you know, he's like, dude, I 434 00:25:37,426 --> 00:25:40,434 just didn't want to do the grind anymore. I'm over it. Like, I would rather 435 00:25:40,474 --> 00:25:43,454 help people and work. I'd still want to be around golf and everything, but 436 00:25:44,634 --> 00:25:48,178 the fact that he. And, I don't know, maybe he is still trying, but the 437 00:25:48,186 --> 00:25:51,898 fact that he didn't make it so far is just mind 438 00:25:51,946 --> 00:25:55,768 boggling to me because the difference between someone like them and then someone on 439 00:25:55,776 --> 00:25:59,480 the PGA tour, like a card carrying pro, and then you have another 440 00:25:59,552 --> 00:26:03,048 layer of, like, the top ten or like the top 15, top 20, dude, it 441 00:26:03,056 --> 00:26:06,800 is just mind boggling me. And, like, you know, do you think, and I've asked 442 00:26:06,832 --> 00:26:09,464 all of them this, but, like, what do you think is the main difference? Because 443 00:26:09,504 --> 00:26:13,112 all those guys are incredible ball strikers. They all understand how to hit the 444 00:26:13,128 --> 00:26:16,640 ball. But, like, what is the difference between that extra layer of. 445 00:26:16,792 --> 00:26:19,164 Extra couple layers, I guess, of talent? 446 00:26:20,924 --> 00:26:24,596 Yeah, I think there's two ways to answer that. Let's say, like, one of 447 00:26:24,620 --> 00:26:28,468 them is, like, physical skills. So, like, guys 448 00:26:28,516 --> 00:26:32,348 that play elite college to pro, to, et cetera, you know, there can be some 449 00:26:32,396 --> 00:26:36,068 level where you actually look at stats. Like they actually hit the ball better, 450 00:26:36,116 --> 00:26:38,876 they chip and putt better, they get their wedges closer to the hole. But there 451 00:26:38,900 --> 00:26:42,580 can be some actual tactical things. But let's say they 452 00:26:42,612 --> 00:26:45,812 all. Let's say we're talking about guys who kind of all hit it the same. 453 00:26:45,908 --> 00:26:49,224 Some guys get the corn fair, some guys get the PJ, some guys win majors. 454 00:26:49,934 --> 00:26:53,598 I've been fortunate to do some work with Nick Faldo. We did little podcast 455 00:26:53,726 --> 00:26:56,902 stuff with him at performance golf. Yeah. So we get to pick his brain a 456 00:26:56,918 --> 00:27:00,702 lot. And I was talking to him two days ago about this, and he 457 00:27:00,718 --> 00:27:04,454 said when he would go to majors, he knew there was only maybe 458 00:27:04,494 --> 00:27:07,622 five to ten guys that really had a chance to win, and the rest were 459 00:27:07,638 --> 00:27:11,154 kind of just there. And I was like, what is that? 460 00:27:11,494 --> 00:27:14,662 How do you get that? You're born with that. Do you learn it? And he 461 00:27:14,678 --> 00:27:17,892 said when he would get in those pressure moments, he would get 462 00:27:17,948 --> 00:27:21,156 excited and look forward to it and want to show 463 00:27:21,220 --> 00:27:24,812 off. He said a lot of guys get to those moments 464 00:27:24,908 --> 00:27:27,964 and they get scared, fearful and 465 00:27:28,004 --> 00:27:31,708 afraid. And I thought that context was kind of pretty good there, 466 00:27:31,756 --> 00:27:35,020 where I'm like, you know what? I think that's correct. I think some of those 467 00:27:35,052 --> 00:27:38,372 guys that get to that high level, let's say we watch them hit five 468 00:27:38,428 --> 00:27:42,012 irons. They hit it about the same. They chip it about the same. They putt 469 00:27:42,028 --> 00:27:44,620 it about the same. They could go out with their buddies and shoot 64 about 470 00:27:44,652 --> 00:27:48,492 the same. But when you're at a tournament and the bright lights are on and 471 00:27:48,508 --> 00:27:52,204 there's people in the crowd and you got to make the cut for a paycheck, 472 00:27:52,364 --> 00:27:55,988 some people rise up and some people don't. And that's usually not because 473 00:27:56,036 --> 00:27:59,404 your swing mechanics, a lot of people want to blame it on swing 474 00:27:59,444 --> 00:28:03,244 mechanics. If I just improved my swing a little bit, I'd do 475 00:28:03,284 --> 00:28:06,636 better in that scenario. I don't think so. I don't think 476 00:28:06,660 --> 00:28:10,184 so. Okay. That's why, like a lot of us, like, if we go. 477 00:28:10,724 --> 00:28:14,522 Common amateur problem. To answer the same question, Eric, when I go out 478 00:28:14,538 --> 00:28:17,418 in the range, I hit it really good, but when I go on the course, 479 00:28:17,546 --> 00:28:19,730 not as good, man, when I play with my buddy and I have a drink 480 00:28:19,762 --> 00:28:22,642 or two, I shoot this, but then I go play in the tournament that I 481 00:28:22,658 --> 00:28:26,442 care about, and I shot ten shots higher. Right? What happened? So it's a lot 482 00:28:26,458 --> 00:28:30,282 of the same. That ain't because your swing. Yeah, that ain't swing mechanics. 483 00:28:30,378 --> 00:28:33,450 Right? That same swing worked really good in the range. What happened is there was 484 00:28:33,482 --> 00:28:37,306 consequences. You cared more, you were fearful of a different outcome, and 485 00:28:37,330 --> 00:28:41,116 you're not in that environment enough. Like a lot. This, this, this always cracks 486 00:28:41,140 --> 00:28:44,356 me up. Okay. Hey, Eric, you know, I play good with my buddies, but I 487 00:28:44,380 --> 00:28:46,732 play in. I play in this tournament twice a year, and I never play as 488 00:28:46,748 --> 00:28:50,412 well. I say, you just remind me, how often do you play with your buddies? 489 00:28:50,588 --> 00:28:54,308 Twice a week, all year. Okay, so you play 100 rounds with your buddies per 490 00:28:54,356 --> 00:28:58,004 year, and you play in two tournament rounds. Like, 491 00:28:58,044 --> 00:29:01,812 which one do you think is going to go better? Totally. Yep. Okay. The thing 492 00:29:01,828 --> 00:29:04,780 you do more often. So part of that, too, with those guys is, like, getting 493 00:29:04,812 --> 00:29:08,586 in the environment enough, learning how to embrace it and feel excited about 494 00:29:08,610 --> 00:29:11,602 it and get the show off. Like Windham Clark has been talking about with his 495 00:29:11,618 --> 00:29:15,306 mental coach. He talks about just, it's. It's not all mindset, but it's a lot 496 00:29:15,330 --> 00:29:19,010 of it. Well, I love that. I've actually never heard anyone say it 497 00:29:19,082 --> 00:29:22,842 that way. Show off. Because I think that also, you know, that that kind 498 00:29:22,858 --> 00:29:26,290 of ties into the confidence and just believing, like, having this, like, 499 00:29:26,362 --> 00:29:29,414 on almost, like, obscene, you know, 500 00:29:30,074 --> 00:29:32,802 confidence in yourself. And maybe, you know, a lot of these guys are kind of 501 00:29:32,818 --> 00:29:36,058 quiet about it. Some guys are braggadocious and, like, you know, that's. But, like, I 502 00:29:36,066 --> 00:29:39,506 did talk to, you know, my cornfury, like, in depth about it, and he was 503 00:29:39,530 --> 00:29:42,714 saying that, oh, you meet, like, most of the guys on the corn ferry tour, 504 00:29:42,794 --> 00:29:45,802 even the corn ferry tour, right. Or, you know, probably even more so on the 505 00:29:45,818 --> 00:29:49,298 PJ tour. They have just this, like, incredible amount of 506 00:29:49,346 --> 00:29:53,090 confidence that, you know, that they don't even really maybe show on the outside, 507 00:29:53,162 --> 00:29:56,610 but they are, like, they're cocky dudes. Like, they're typically very cocky because 508 00:29:56,762 --> 00:30:00,162 you almost have to, like, have a delusional type of self confidence. I kind of 509 00:30:00,178 --> 00:30:02,610 do that. All right. So I kind of do that on a different level, Eric. 510 00:30:02,642 --> 00:30:05,612 And the one thing I've got going for me is my 60 degree. I've become, 511 00:30:05,738 --> 00:30:09,576 they call me, they call me Magellan at our 512 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:13,176 club because I can get up and down, but, dude, it's because my irons. I'm 513 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:16,208 like, I've been put in the situation where I need to get up and down 514 00:30:16,256 --> 00:30:19,976 so often because I can't hit the green. That, yeah, I've become pretty good with 515 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,752 my wedge, but different type of confidence, I guess. But 516 00:30:23,768 --> 00:30:27,296 I love that, man. It's a really interesting way to put it. And that goes 517 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:31,056 to show, even though you're saying jokingly, it's like you got really good at chipping 518 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:34,016 because you had to do it a lot. Yeah. So, like, for those that are 519 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:37,632 listening, right, if you want to play better in this member tournament or whatever, once 520 00:30:37,648 --> 00:30:40,328 or twice per year, you got to play in a bunch more tournaments leading up 521 00:30:40,336 --> 00:30:42,880 to that. That's got to be your normal. The normal has got to be the 522 00:30:42,912 --> 00:30:46,112 tournament. I could do a speech all day long in front of a mirror, but 523 00:30:46,128 --> 00:30:49,632 as soon as I step on stage in front of 10,000 people, way different. How 524 00:30:49,648 --> 00:30:52,288 do you get better at that? You got to step on stage more, right. You 525 00:30:52,296 --> 00:30:55,808 got to put yourself in the environment more. No doubt. Yeah. All right. I'm a 526 00:30:55,816 --> 00:30:59,600 big swing egg guy, what do you think? I mean, 527 00:30:59,672 --> 00:31:02,576 I've literally, I could point to. I could probably show five right here. I've got, 528 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,638 I've counted, Eric, I've got 36 of these things I've been doing. I'm going to 529 00:31:05,646 --> 00:31:08,918 do a segment where my, where my, my co host and I, we're going to 530 00:31:08,926 --> 00:31:10,982 be breaking down all the swing aids and we're going to be rating them and 531 00:31:10,998 --> 00:31:14,454 reviewing. Um, obviously, I would think that the swing aids are 532 00:31:14,494 --> 00:31:17,998 probably good for certain people and certain, you know, other ones not, I think, probably 533 00:31:18,046 --> 00:31:21,694 different. Different strokes for different folks. But, I mean, is there something that you 534 00:31:21,734 --> 00:31:24,982 think could benefit, like, to all the listeners out there? Is there just something that 535 00:31:25,038 --> 00:31:27,990 maybe has worked for a lot of your students that, you know, maybe more so 536 00:31:28,022 --> 00:31:31,746 than others? Yeah, it's a good question. So, 537 00:31:31,770 --> 00:31:34,786 like, you know, we've had our, this is our 8th year of the channel. I 538 00:31:34,810 --> 00:31:38,414 probably personally tested, without exaggerating, 539 00:31:39,554 --> 00:31:42,734 maybe between 102 hundred training aids realistically. 540 00:31:43,594 --> 00:31:46,506 And we. So I get sent training aids all time. People are like, hey, try 541 00:31:46,530 --> 00:31:50,298 this. What do you think? You want to promote it? And we've, we've, we've promoted 542 00:31:50,346 --> 00:31:53,234 four in eight years out of 100. 543 00:31:53,394 --> 00:31:56,926 Interesting. So, so I don't, 544 00:31:57,030 --> 00:32:00,246 you know, I think there's, like, certain things for certain people, you know, that are, 545 00:32:00,270 --> 00:32:03,702 that are pretty good. I get a lot done with a lot of people with 546 00:32:03,718 --> 00:32:06,870 like an alignment rod and a pool noodle or like a range 547 00:32:06,902 --> 00:32:10,678 bucket. So the four things we promoted, to 548 00:32:10,686 --> 00:32:13,942 give you an idea, I mean, the hanger, the wrist. Yeah. Got that one. Yep. 549 00:32:14,078 --> 00:32:17,894 Then it goes on. Works great. You know, I think for certain 550 00:32:17,934 --> 00:32:21,742 people who need that, I think that's really effective. We promoted the precision impact. 551 00:32:21,798 --> 00:32:25,436 The thing you snap. Seen that one? Yep. It clicks. Right? 552 00:32:25,500 --> 00:32:29,316 I like that. You know, it clicks. And this one holds you in it. Oh, 553 00:32:29,340 --> 00:32:32,820 okay. Which I like. Yeah. Keeps you. It keeps you back in there like 554 00:32:32,852 --> 00:32:36,404 that. We did, we did one other with performance 555 00:32:36,484 --> 00:32:40,144 golf and then we have. So I just got done testing. 556 00:32:40,844 --> 00:32:43,660 Did you see the thing with David Ledbetter the straightaway? Yes, I've got that one 557 00:32:43,692 --> 00:32:47,100 little line on it. So, 558 00:32:47,292 --> 00:32:50,872 you know, I go into all those things extremely skeptical. Okay. You know, I think 559 00:32:50,888 --> 00:32:54,376 there's like a, literally one in 2030 chance that I'm gonna like the 560 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:58,136 thing, but I like that. Okay. You know, now it's another one where 561 00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:00,792 I'm like, I don't know that it's for everyone, but if someone struggles with the 562 00:33:00,808 --> 00:33:04,640 takeaway, getting way under plane or way out, the little visual that that thing 563 00:33:04,672 --> 00:33:08,232 gives on you, that gives you the takeaway. So we're gonna do some videos on 564 00:33:08,248 --> 00:33:10,004 that. That's top of mind for me. 565 00:33:12,384 --> 00:33:15,164 Here's what I would say. This isn't the training aid, but like, 566 00:33:17,644 --> 00:33:21,332 you know, eight out of ten golfers, you 567 00:33:21,348 --> 00:33:25,052 could probably make a really big improvement if you 568 00:33:25,068 --> 00:33:28,684 could, when you take your setup, draw a line up the shaft 569 00:33:28,804 --> 00:33:32,532 like a swing plane line, and just learn to 570 00:33:32,588 --> 00:33:36,412 keep your club on that line. If you watch really good 571 00:33:36,428 --> 00:33:40,276 ball strikers, and I'm talking only from takeaway to about hip high 572 00:33:40,300 --> 00:33:43,648 on the way back and then for about hip high on the way down and 573 00:33:43,696 --> 00:33:47,168 impact. If you look at any ball strikers like this could be a challenge for 574 00:33:47,176 --> 00:33:49,672 you guys. Go on YouTube and look at it even just use your finger, a 575 00:33:49,688 --> 00:33:52,952 little line on their club head from hip high into the ball and from setup 576 00:33:52,968 --> 00:33:56,320 to hip high and you look at enough swings, the top hundred ball 577 00:33:56,352 --> 00:34:00,064 strikers, 95 of them would have that thing riding almost right 578 00:34:00,104 --> 00:34:03,872 on that into the, into the golf ball. Getting the club on plane, however 579 00:34:03,928 --> 00:34:07,448 you do that, like for you, that hits hooks, you're probably almost too far under 580 00:34:07,496 --> 00:34:11,246 for sure. Into the ball, you're probably too far under. And so getting the club 581 00:34:11,310 --> 00:34:15,022 on plane, whether you're a slicer and you're over it, and you got to learn 582 00:34:15,038 --> 00:34:17,358 how to feel under it. Or for you, if you're a hooker, you're under it, 583 00:34:17,366 --> 00:34:21,142 you got to feel over it. That solves a lot of problems if 584 00:34:21,158 --> 00:34:24,914 you can combine that with learning how to get the face 585 00:34:25,534 --> 00:34:29,238 square to the path, which is a loaded suggestion, because there's a lot of 586 00:34:29,246 --> 00:34:33,078 ways to do that. Yeah, 587 00:34:33,166 --> 00:34:35,198 I would say the one takeaway would be figure out a way to get the 588 00:34:35,206 --> 00:34:38,686 club on plane if there's a one sentence takeaway. Love it. Yeah, no, I love 589 00:34:38,710 --> 00:34:41,742 that. I mean, yeah, most of them are snake oil. I mean, and I'm just 590 00:34:41,758 --> 00:34:44,422 a sucker for them. We had these one guys, by the way, I would love 591 00:34:44,438 --> 00:34:47,518 to get your opinion on this, too. So I had these long drive guys on 592 00:34:47,566 --> 00:34:51,318 and they, you know, they compete competitively in the long drive stuff. And 593 00:34:51,486 --> 00:34:54,710 by the way, one of the guys shout out, this guy Sam, he's got Eric. 594 00:34:54,742 --> 00:34:57,918 This blew my mind. He is one of like maybe four or five people on 595 00:34:57,926 --> 00:35:01,710 the planet that people know about that has a ball speed of over 596 00:35:01,742 --> 00:35:05,350 240 mph. It's just crazy. I mean, 597 00:35:05,422 --> 00:35:08,690 dude, these guys listen to this. They crack. Like, this is a problem for them. 598 00:35:08,722 --> 00:35:12,330 They actually have to, like, they crack between four and like 599 00:35:12,442 --> 00:35:16,170 six golf balls every range session. Like crack em. And I mean, like, they're like, 600 00:35:16,202 --> 00:35:18,906 we have to think about it because, like, especially if they're hitting into their net 601 00:35:18,930 --> 00:35:21,626 at home, they're like, we have to get special balls because we don't wanna, like, 602 00:35:21,650 --> 00:35:23,842 we don't wanna break our face in our club, but we also don't want to, 603 00:35:23,858 --> 00:35:27,010 like, go through a bunch of, like they're not getting balls for anyway. It's just 604 00:35:27,042 --> 00:35:30,842 crazy. So, like, I was talking to them, they came out, and, you know, and 605 00:35:30,858 --> 00:35:33,978 it's, you know, it's a speed training, it's a speed training aid. But, like, I 606 00:35:33,986 --> 00:35:37,394 guess my point is that, you know, I'm a tech guy, right? So, like, I 607 00:35:37,474 --> 00:35:41,170 think the technology and, like, just golf instruction moving forward 608 00:35:41,242 --> 00:35:43,802 is going to be so cool to watch, though. You know, I think that, you 609 00:35:43,818 --> 00:35:47,546 know, one, a couple, couple last questions here before, and I'll 610 00:35:47,570 --> 00:35:50,746 get you, I'll get you on out of here. All right. I ask every, I 611 00:35:50,770 --> 00:35:54,546 ask everyone these two silly questions, Eric. These are not, like, these are not really 612 00:35:54,570 --> 00:35:58,090 golf related questions, but I ask everyone just because I'm also, I, like, 613 00:35:58,122 --> 00:36:01,876 silly. And, and these are, these are certainly, certainly silly. So can 614 00:36:01,900 --> 00:36:05,356 a human being, Eric, can a human being eat a golf 615 00:36:05,380 --> 00:36:07,384 ball and survive? 616 00:36:09,284 --> 00:36:13,068 Hmm. Man, I feel like 617 00:36:13,076 --> 00:36:16,908 it'd be hard to swallow a golf ball, huh? Could a human being eat a 618 00:36:16,916 --> 00:36:19,908 golf ball? Could they swallow a ball, have it live in their body and survive? 619 00:36:19,956 --> 00:36:22,668 I would say yes. I think human beings are resilient. Okay. All right, cool. I 620 00:36:22,676 --> 00:36:24,700 don't, by the way, I don't have an answer to any of these. I just 621 00:36:24,732 --> 00:36:28,556 like collecting. These are the worst because everyone's, like, waiting for the answer, 622 00:36:28,580 --> 00:36:31,972 and I don't know. Yeah, I mean, you take someone like Shaquille O'Neal, like a 623 00:36:31,988 --> 00:36:35,020 big dude, like, I'm imagining you probably get it down. But, you know, the whole, 624 00:36:35,092 --> 00:36:38,060 the whole reason this came up is because, you know, after a certain number of 625 00:36:38,092 --> 00:36:41,132 subscribers, I don't even know the number, but my co host was like, all right. 626 00:36:41,268 --> 00:36:43,652 I told him, I'm like, if we get a certain number of subscribers, I can 627 00:36:43,668 --> 00:36:46,588 do this full time. I'm not going to tell the albatross story anymore. And he 628 00:36:46,596 --> 00:36:49,540 was like, there is zero chance. And if you do, you have to eat this 629 00:36:49,572 --> 00:36:53,292 golf ball. And so anyway, and I'm like, are you trying to kill me? Because 630 00:36:53,308 --> 00:36:55,412 I think it would. I don't know. I go back and forth anyway, that's how 631 00:36:55,428 --> 00:36:58,496 I, that's how it goes. Came up. So then the second question, if you. Could 632 00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,520 get it down, I think. I agree. I think it's more of, like, the down. 633 00:37:01,632 --> 00:37:05,400 Yeah. All right, second question. Not goth related. 634 00:37:05,472 --> 00:37:09,248 Are there more. Now, think of anything alive. So anything that's 635 00:37:09,296 --> 00:37:12,952 alive in the world. Are there more eyes or more 636 00:37:13,008 --> 00:37:14,884 legs in the world? 637 00:37:16,384 --> 00:37:17,244 Mmm. 638 00:37:20,104 --> 00:37:22,960 Yes. I mean, like, immediately my mind goes to, like, there's a lot of creatures 639 00:37:22,992 --> 00:37:26,616 with force. Four legs, right? A lot of creatures with four legs. There's 640 00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:30,448 spiders with lots of legs. There's thousand leggers. But I think everything 641 00:37:30,496 --> 00:37:34,104 only has two eyes. So I'm gonna. In my 642 00:37:34,144 --> 00:37:37,952 mind, that just clarified to me that it should be, obviously, legs, which makes me 643 00:37:37,968 --> 00:37:41,720 think, am I missing something else? Aquatic. Are there things with eyes with. 644 00:37:41,832 --> 00:37:45,352 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I am missing something else. 645 00:37:45,528 --> 00:37:48,924 We don't even know what's in the ocean. I would say there's more. Ooh. 646 00:37:49,624 --> 00:37:53,112 I would say there's more legs than eyes, but I'm not, like, throwing money. Dude, 647 00:37:53,128 --> 00:37:56,536 thank you so much for caring enough to actually answer that question with some thought. 648 00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,536 Yes, I'm. I'm an eyes. I'm a nice guy. I've gone back and forth this. 649 00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:03,384 I've asked everyone, and it's so great. I love these questions, Eric, 650 00:38:03,424 --> 00:38:05,204 because fish. Out there, though, too. 651 00:38:08,664 --> 00:38:11,744 Yeah. That's. You ask 100 people, you can get 51 way and 50 the other. 652 00:38:11,784 --> 00:38:15,040 And, man, people blow up about it. Like, they get all worked up over, like, 653 00:38:15,072 --> 00:38:17,776 trying to figure out and, like, trying to debate it. So, anyway, it's just. It's 654 00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:21,548 a fun question. Well, any. Anything else before I let 655 00:38:21,556 --> 00:38:24,212 you run, man, anything else that you want to promote or, I mean, anything that 656 00:38:24,228 --> 00:38:27,316 we can, you know, obviously send people to if you want to mention your sites. 657 00:38:27,340 --> 00:38:29,932 And I'm going to be putting all of your, you know, all of your websites 658 00:38:29,948 --> 00:38:33,332 and all of your channels and stuff in the. In the comments or in the. 659 00:38:33,388 --> 00:38:37,196 In the description. Yeah, no, I appreciate you having me, man. 660 00:38:37,220 --> 00:38:41,036 I feel like I'm here to serve, hopefully help. Help some people golf 661 00:38:41,060 --> 00:38:44,908 better, live better, obviously, our. Our YouTube channel. Like, you mentioned being there, golf. You 662 00:38:44,916 --> 00:38:48,698 guys are into golf? Stuff that we share there. A 663 00:38:48,706 --> 00:38:51,762 lot of, like, little quick tips on Instagram, but the full YouTube videos, we did 664 00:38:51,778 --> 00:38:55,602 just start that second YouTube channel. If you're into personal development lessons I've learned with 665 00:38:55,618 --> 00:38:59,106 Eric Gorno, that's a working title, but that's how you search it right 666 00:38:59,130 --> 00:39:02,946 now. And it's cool, man. It's cool. Starting from day one, like, starting a new 667 00:39:02,970 --> 00:39:06,818 channel from day one, like, literally not having any subscribers, no views, and having to 668 00:39:06,826 --> 00:39:08,854 build it back up has been a cool, 669 00:39:10,434 --> 00:39:14,156 humbling, exciting thing to do that I 670 00:39:14,180 --> 00:39:18,012 think over the next ten years we'll build up similar to the 671 00:39:18,028 --> 00:39:21,748 golf thing, and maybe we'll do another pod as that grows and talk more about 672 00:39:21,756 --> 00:39:25,188 that. No, I'll totally look forward to it. I think you're onto something, man, because 673 00:39:25,316 --> 00:39:28,148 these are two things I'm really passionate about. Obviously, golf is a huge passion of 674 00:39:28,156 --> 00:39:31,564 mine. But man, I think it's actually more interesting on the personal development stuff 675 00:39:31,604 --> 00:39:35,184 because to your point, earlier in the conversation, it's like, 676 00:39:36,444 --> 00:39:39,730 we are who we are. It's just like a different shift in 677 00:39:39,762 --> 00:39:43,594 mindset can really unleash, like, who you 678 00:39:43,714 --> 00:39:46,994 really want to be or who you really want to become. And it's just, it's 679 00:39:47,034 --> 00:39:50,090 not that you're a different person, you're not born different, you're not like, nothing really 680 00:39:50,122 --> 00:39:53,818 changed. It's just simply this idea of like, changing the way you think 681 00:39:53,866 --> 00:39:56,762 about things. And that's why the albatross, it's the whole reason I wanted to start 682 00:39:56,778 --> 00:40:00,306 the podcast is because if I can just get more people, like, obviously we love 683 00:40:00,330 --> 00:40:03,442 talking about golf, and golf's just such a great metaphor for life and how we 684 00:40:03,458 --> 00:40:06,952 can get, get to, I mean, that's what I love about it. But if I 685 00:40:06,968 --> 00:40:10,408 can just even a couple, a handful of people, if they can just start thinking 686 00:40:10,456 --> 00:40:14,096 about, like, wow. Like anything truly is possible, I mean, that's a 687 00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:17,160 great shift in the right direction. And then, you know, you can really be whoever 688 00:40:17,192 --> 00:40:19,912 you want to be. So I appreciate you saying that earlier. And yeah, man, I'm 689 00:40:19,928 --> 00:40:23,104 looking forward to kind of stay, you know, staying all over and staying tuned to 690 00:40:23,144 --> 00:40:25,964 your new channel. I'm excited to see you grow it. 691 00:40:27,584 --> 00:40:30,000 Likewise, man. I'm going to, I'm going to keep watching the stuff that you put 692 00:40:30,032 --> 00:40:33,744 out. And this was cool. I'd love to come back whenever 693 00:40:33,824 --> 00:40:36,088 you need to fill a spot. Awesome, man. All right, well, Eric, thanks so much 694 00:40:36,096 --> 00:40:38,924 for joining us. And until next time, everyone, thanks for tuning in. 695 00:40:40,304 --> 00:40:43,984 Did I tell you about my albatross? Thanks for tuning in, everyone. Don't miss 696 00:40:44,024 --> 00:40:47,376 out on our upcoming golf giveaways and experiences. They're exclusive to our 697 00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:51,152 subscribers and all you gotta do is subscribe. And until 698 00:40:51,208 --> 00:40:53,224 next time, golf's easy. Think fairways and greens.