Episode Transcript
Today is the first part of my summer series on becoming.
And am just a quick recap of the previous episode where I shared that I had a moment about a month ago where I was holding a retreat here in Portugal and my clients did an intervention on me at the end of it saying, Rolinda, the work that you've done with us in the past two days, which was in person, and we did embodied vision work, which includes deep belief system work, which is embodiment work, somatic work and energy work.
And that has been the method that I've been building in the past ten years that I now call embodied vision.
And we've been diving deep into that and they had been with me in that bubble and they were like, Melinda, this is what you really need to do.
You need to do more of this.
This needs to be more on the foreground of your business, of your brand, of what you talk about.
So I took that moment as a moment, as a door opening moment, as I like, I know this already and now it's being mirrored to me through my own clients so clearly that I am going to choose to take this as a pivotal moment.
I could have ignored it, which we can always do in moments that you are in a big transition.
So if you're listening to this and you feel like something wants to transition in your life, in your business, in the way you've been sharing your message, there's moments that give you a like a momentum to change it.
And you always you have the free will to ignore them.
I think many times we do.
We ignore them.
We're like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Okay.
But I'll just do what I know.
Yeah.
I'll just stay with this safe.
But I chose in that moment very consciously.
Was like, I can use this moment as a momentum to make this change that I know has been coming, this next level integration of everything who I am and how I want to show up in the world.
So that's what I'm doing.
In the coming episodes, I'm taking you on a journey through becoming.
And this is episode number one.
And today we're going to talk about the liminal space because this is so important.
And when I was preparing this episode, I went into like some research and I really found some fun things.
So you're up for like a really, really a lot of good stuff.
And I think this is so beautiful to go on this journey together because I see a lot of my clients and I see a lot of people in this space.
Entrepreneurial, you wanna be a successful business owner, but more you really want to be you.
You wanna almost fall, you know, really click into that 100% being you, sharing your magic with the world because all the people that I work with, that's what what we want.
It's like, I want to embody my gifts and I want to share them with the world.
And I want that to have a beautiful reciprocity of also financial abundance.
I don't work with people.
I never have a client.
I mean, we of course, we all need to make money and it's on our minds.
And that's why we run our business as well.
But really, is about living your purpose.
And and that can sound so vague and so big, but I really feel that that is it.
Like doing something that is like, this is what I'm meant to do.
This is me in my authentic expression.
And that journey brings up a lot of faces of brings up a lot of, I would say, yeah, different phases where you're like, okay, I found it.
Like, this is me.
And then there's a moment where it's like, oh my gosh, I'm evolving.
I need to let go of all parts of me again and step into that new level of integration and insight and me ness.
And that is liminal phase.
So that liminal phase is going to keep coming back.
If you're truly on this spiritual path of inside, outside, same, same, of 100% becoming you and running a business and impacting the world and your clients and writing your books and like whatever is wanting to come through you, how it wants to be expressed, that truth through you, that is always going to catapult you in moments of liminal space.
But here's where the problem that I see is that we're so darn afraid of it and we know so little about it that what happens is the moment that you have a how can we say?
A catapult moment, a moment where change can happen, a pivotal moment, we run back to the old.
And then we say, I'm stuck.
I'm stuck.
I'm stuck.
Yeah, I'm stuck.
Because I know and I would say my energy knows.
For me, I work a lot with Chinese medicine, as in Qigong.
So I would say my chi, my energy knows there's something else.
My spirit knows.
My soul knows that there's something else available for me.
But I'm not allowing it because of my human brain that is really programmed to keep me safe and to stay in the known.
And that is we cannot fool the brain, and we I'm not fooling anyone.
I'm doing this all the time.
This is what happens to us as humans.
It literally kicks us back to what we know.
Because when we go into liminal space, when we go into liminal thinking, one of the things that is required to get into that space is that we dare to question our beliefs.
That we dare to say: what am I believing that makes my reality this way?
Even though I'm already perceiving, I have a vision, my energy is perceiving a different reality is available for me.
And that can come because you see somebody else having a different reality.
That can come because in my case, this moment, my students told me, we've seen you in your flow.
You need to speak more about this, what you're doing here in this embodied vision work.
That it was a moment for me is like, okay, that's happening.
And a part of me wants to run back to the old and hide because that feels more familiar.
And I need to integrate things in me.
I need to let go of certain maybe traumas.
I need to shift some deep seated beliefs into, you know, mind more expanding belief, expansive beliefs for me at this moment in order to fully embody that version of me.
Literally how we are psychologically wired, you can't do it another way.
But then again, so we don't have a lot of hand holding and that's what this podcast is going to give you today in how do you actually manage to not go through the biological brain is like, keep stay to what you know.
Yeah.
Keep to what is has internal coherence already.
Internal coherence meaning I have an idea, a belief, and yes, I know that already, so that feels safe.
Now I have another somebody tells you another belief.
Oh, you can actually, I don't know when I was starting my online business.
I know people in Bali were sitting on their laptops and and working from wherever they wanted.
And they're like this is actually possible which was like like for my brain just something went like what?
Really?
I didn't have internal coherence already.
But there was a desire.
So I went into that.
I was like, okay, I don't know how, but I'm going to figure it out because this is a big desire and I want this.
But if I would have said, oh yeah, but that is not possible or that's all a scam or the whole coaching industry is a scam, like whatever, all those thoughts, then I would have rejected that idea right away and I would have never explored it.
So you need to have that opening.
So if we see the liminal space as a rite of passage, which is actually where the word comes from, and that was somewhere in 1900, the first time that this idea of liminal came up was through rites of passage.
There was this person, he might be Dutch, Van Gennep is his last name, and he discovered that there's three phases in a rite of passage.
And we can actually talk about liminal space, rite of passage interchangeably.
So in the rite of passage, he says there's three things: separation, transition and reocooperation.
And what I found so interesting that it came from anthropology is that what was also seen is that separation, separation from the group of people and the way of thinking that you have been thinking.
And that is a big part of this as well.
And that feels really scary.
Again, your brain doesn't want that.
We want to be part of a group, so we want to stay.
And then there is the transition, which is the liminal space, and then reincorporation.
But what I see over and over in time is that we don't want to so we want to be in, you know, belonging to our group and as things are, or we want to be reincorporated, reintegrated, re like in that next level.
But it feels so darn scary to be in that space of not knowing.
Now here's why if you don't allow that space of not knowing, if you don't allow that, you can't create something new.
So you're going to always go back to the old.
And your brain will find a lot of reasons why that is the best thing.
You will find people around you who say, yes, all the other thing that you want, you will notice it.
And, you know, you might recognize that you come with your new idea.
You're excited.
You're like, I've I know.
I have an idea for my business, and I wanna do this.
And you speak to somebody and a family member or something, and they're like, well, well, well, but the economy is quite insecure right now.
So that's not smart, you know.
So and if you go and say like, oh, yes, of course.
So I need to go back to thinking old and in my old ways.
And of course, there's so much proof and so much reasons out there that you can't do it.
But there's equal so much proof out there that you can do it, but you have to be open for that.
So in this transition phase, so let's say we have accepted that something in you has a doorway to a liminal space.
A doorway as in something wants to change.
Let's say that you allow yourself to go in that liminal space.
Now here what's happening.
There's I don't know who I was anymore or like I'm letting go of what I was in part of me and I don't know yet what the new integrated me is.
So I'm like neither here or there.
I'm like with one foot here with one foot there.
I'm in liminal space.
So what how does that feel to your body that might feel really, really scary?
That might feel very uncomfortable.
It might bring up all kind of subconscious patterns.
So what happens to me as a coach sometimes is that people are first open and they see the expansion and all that.
And then next time I speak to them, they're really angry.
And sometimes they're even angry at me.
I know not to take that personally because they are just, there's all kind of processes happening in them where they are just feeling so scared and so, yeah, without ground in that liminal space.
So how do you give yourself some ground there?
This is where I really want to go today because, as I said, I'm in the liminal space right now and I'm actually enjoying it.
And this is I'll tell you why.
I'm enjoying it because I made that conscious decision.
And then I said, and I'm giving myself this summer to go through this.
So I'm giving myself back then, it was when I made that decision, it was about two and a half months.
I'll give myself two and a half months to really go through this.
And then I also decided to make this podcast series, which is I think really helpful for me as well.
Yeah.
To research about it and be very conscious in it.
So this is the first thing.
The first thing is to know that you're on liminal space.
That makes it already better, and then maybe Google it.
Do some research about it.
Watch a video about it.
Listen to this podcast about it so that you don't feel alone in it.
It's very important to see that people that are right now and there are like, I know how the world works, and I know everything.
They might not relate to you right now.
You might feel really insecure when you talk to somebody who is like, I have everything figured out.
And you're like, I'm actually in a place that I'm figuring stuff out.
That is really good to know that that we are all there and at times in different, you know, strengths, how do you say, in different levels.
So if you're fully in it, it might feel really vulnerable.
So what you can do is to really create for yourself rituals.
So for example, I'm blocking off all my mornings, and I'm blocking off about two, three hours that I call sacred space, where I'm allowing myself to do whatever research that I want to do right now that I'm thinking about like my brand, my offers.
I'm thinking about I'm I'm recording new courses.
I'm working on my method.
So that really is creation time.
And I'm allowed, and I really have to work on this as well, but I'm allowed to make it to have a part of my brain say this is unproductive.
Because it might mean that before this podcast, I went on a bit of a rabbit hole reading and, like, researching on liminal space, and it really helped me so much.
But it you know, you could say it wasn't very time effective, and that's what I need right now.
I need to be able to get a little bit lost in my time.
But I give myself a block off two or three hours every morning where I say this is my sacred time.
And for you, maybe that's one morning a week or three days a week, like, whatever that is.
But I would say, first of all, block time where you allow yourself to be in that space to research, to read the books, listen to the podcast, do the courses that you want, the things that whatever that is.
And that's really important.
So and then overall, so that's two time things.
So one is if you don't have structure in what you're exactly going to do, which is like we want to figure it out.
What are my offers?
What is my pricing?
Like, what is this thing?
If you don't have all that because you're in liminal space, why don't you give yourself structure in time?
So for example, that schedule that I give.
Then also I'm saying, I'll I wanna, like, by the mid August, like, I am I have figured things out, you know, and I'm working on, new websites and I'm working on new offer and a funnel.
And and and maybe before that, already beginning mid August.
So that in September I'm really ready to launch it to the world.
And that also gives me structure and that gives me freedom.
And why I know this and I know this experience really well is because I used to be a choreographer.
So I would make dance performances.
And as a choreographer, I can see now, I did exactly the same thing.
So we had the luxury as when I was dancing, we had the luxury that we would have six weeks or eight weeks with all the dancers and the artistic team, which me was then the head of of everything, where we would rehearse.
Yeah.
So you you have to have a performance that is finished and, like, curtains open and the audience is there and you need to like know what you're doing.
But you start with kind of nothing, with a plan on paper because you have to write a plan to get subsidies.
That's how it works in theatre land.
But then you have eight weeks to create.
Now, and if you go into that like completely without a plan, you won't get it.
So I would give myself, depending on how much time I had, but ideally I would give myself three whole full time weeks with the dancers to be an exploration phase, which means I would, you know, I won't get too details in it, but we would basically create choreography.
We would create dance material without yet saying this is the beginning, this is the first scene, this is the middle, and this is the end.
And this was all not not like we had, of course, a plan and a theme and, you know, ideas, but but there was enough structure to hold the chaos.
But we would go and explore for three full weeks.
And for me, that was so important because I know that if we could have those three weeks, we would create those magical moments, those scenes that are really right.
So we would create something that comes, you could say, from from, you know, something bigger than yourself.
We would create that those moments that would make the performance later very authentic and real and just true.
You know, this is where the words are a little bit, you know, I'm at a loss of words because it's a feeling.
And if I would start with, you know what?
We just rehearse for four weeks.
I have figured thought of every scene.
This is how we're gonna do it.
We will create something that we'd already all know that was already coming from my head.
Was like, and it would be okay.
It would be decent, but it wouldn't have that magic.
But because we would be allowed to go into that exploration phase for three whole weeks full time, that's where we could then create things that we could have never thought of before.
And this then is also in a team.
So it's not just my mind and body and intelligence that comes to the place.
We create that together.
And I want you to think of liminal space like these three weeks of rehearsal, where you want to find the things that are so real that you need to create space in order to do it.
So set a time frame.
First of all, overall on your liminal space, and I'm I'm liminal phase, and I'm not saying that you can always do that because sometimes it might take longer than you thought or it's, you know but set a time frame and that intention will help you to dive into it.
It will make it safe for your brain to dive into it now because there's an end to it.
And then also schedule it in your calendar to have research moments, to do whatever you wanna do, if that is journaling, movement, thinking, maybe walking along the beach, reading a book, like, whatever that is, let yourself workshop your ideas and your method, your things, like whatever that is, and then let it come together.
And then you already know because it's in your calendar that there's going to be a next phase where you're going to start your reintegration, where you're going to start to make sense of what you are doing.
Yeah.
So I'll be talking more about this, and I hope this idea about liminal phase and you giving yourself, and that would be if you're feeling similar, if you feel like I want to use this summer to have a summer of becoming, I want to allow myself to really step into next level of myself, then I would say first thing, give yourself time frames and give yourself time.
Just make structure in time.
And then within that time when you step in and forget about time, forget about, like, be in a moment and allow yourself to research and to not know, to be in the unknown.
And if it gets really scary, you can fall back and say, yeah, but in three weeks from now, I'm going into the next phase.
And give yourself that.
And then when you do that, every time your brain, your protectors in yourself, like are going to want to make things concrete because I had that too this week.
I wanted to be in liminal phase, but then I started to like, I need to rewrite my website, which is actually not right now what I need to do.
There's some other things I need to do.
Again, I need to do a bit of research.
But I let myself like go there and like play around with the AI a bit and do some things.
And I'm just saving it.
And like, this comes a bit later, but I don't want to have finished end of projects just yet because I want to stay in that creation.
So every time that your brain tells, okay, so what am I going to sell?
What is the prices?
How am I going to do it?
Then you're like, okay, great.
Like, we will write some things down about that, but I'm actually allowed to do a little bit more soul searching first.
And again, everybody their own timeline.
You can set your timeline for that.
But when you know that you are in liminal phase, you know that you are in the right space when it feels chaotic, when it feels unknown, when it feels a little scary, when it challenges your beliefs.
And this is another one that I would love you to do is that to really take a moment to write down what is it that I'm believing that, for example, disregards like my ideas or that tells me that my new thing that I want to create might not be possible or it's not going to work out.
Get those beliefs from the subconscious waters into the the surface, into the where you can see it.
So and you do that by writing it down.
So really start to take notes of like, where am I fearful?
What is happening there?
What are the beliefs coming up?
What is happening in my body?
And things like embodied movement.
And that can be anything for you, but really something where you feel connected to you.
Things like journaling, writing it out, looking at your beliefs, all these parts will be good.
You can also expect to have unexpected emotions write up, maybe memories from the past, things that are coming back.
You're like, I dealt with that, and I'm going through it again.
If you allow yourself to truly dive into this liminal phase, you are going to experience emotion, confusion, chaos, fear of the unknown, all that.
And you know that you're in the right place when you have that.
So I just wanna know that that is good.
And again, if you're, like, getting lost in that, make sure to talk about it.
Talk about people in your community.
Find connection with like minded people on that, knowing that, oh, you know, can you hold space for me?
Because I'm in this liminal space and I'm sorting things out and I don't want to have a solution right now.
I just want to work through things.
That's what we're going to do.
This is our homework for this week.
And next week, I will talk with you about all these fears that are coming up about that new vision that you might have.
And we can also talk we will also talk about like what is the vision and how do you perceive the vision that is actually really true.
But then what are the fears that come up that hold us from really stepping into it?
And how do we work through those fears?
So here we go.
Enjoy your liminal space if you're in it or note this down for when you feel a moment like this coming.
So there's a pivotal moment, a door opens, and then allow yourself to be in liminal space before you put everything back or put everything in order again because you can only do that and be new and be next level you and reinvent yourself if you allow this phase of internal turmoil and chaos at times.
And when you do allow it, it's really beautiful and fun.
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