[SPEAKER_05]: I'm Commander Shepard, and this is my favorite lorecast on the Citadel.

[SPEAKER_07]: Welcome to the Mass Effect lorecast.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm Genesis, join us.

[SPEAKER_07]: As we explore along tides of light and through the shoals of dust to see where this lore began.

[SPEAKER_03]: And consider where it may go.

[SPEAKER_07]: Spector is welcome back to another week of the Mass Effect Lord cast and this one is filled with some news and Joining me today.

[SPEAKER_07]: I set that news should we say news loosely is my close Genesis Genesis how's it going?

[SPEAKER_03]: Things are going pretty dang good today.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's been a good day for me [SPEAKER_07]: That's good.

[SPEAKER_07]: We took last week off because my son brought home something from daycare.

[SPEAKER_07]: I got sick very sick actually.

[SPEAKER_07]: I lost my voice like completely for a couple of days.

[SPEAKER_07]: Took a while to get it back.

[SPEAKER_07]: And then the virus or whatever just started going around the house.

[SPEAKER_07]: As anyone with little kids as well aware, this was our first bout of that.

[SPEAKER_07]: So this was our first Tango with the Petri Dishes products, but anyway, now my son is sick, and so we had to do the delay recording this week, so if you're noticing this go up on Spotify a little bit later, we're Apple Podcasts that might be why.

[SPEAKER_07]: But anyway, we've got some news and I say that loosely because it is a leak that we should talk about.

[SPEAKER_07]: We were going to talk about Paul Grayson this week.

[SPEAKER_07]: However, now we get this bit of information about casting calls coming out from the Mass Effect TV show.

[SPEAKER_07]: Now, Genesis, you brought this to my attention.

[SPEAKER_07]: And then I did a little bit more digging myself.

[SPEAKER_07]: And apparently, this is originating from an independent blogger and show business insider named Daniel Rickman.

[SPEAKER_07]: Rickman, I hope I'm pronouncing that correctly.

[SPEAKER_07]: And apparently several casting calls for that [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so I don't know exactly how definitive this is, or if this is real, or if this is just all speculation.

[SPEAKER_03]: But I thought that it would be a good chance for a police talk about what is being leaked and what this could mean for the show.

[SPEAKER_07]: Right.

[SPEAKER_07]: So here is what Mr.

Richtman is reporting that the first casting call going out to try and put someone in the role is male 30 to 39 years old described as a young Colin Farrell type with open ethnicity.

[SPEAKER_07]: You know, um, I'm not sure I think a lot of people are going to see that.

[SPEAKER_07]: Okay, male 30 to 39 years old young Colin Ferrell Shepherd that's going to be their first thought right.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's exactly what I heard too, because even thinking about it, like standard Shepplow looks a little Colin Farrely, I mean, especially talking young Colin Farrell, because now if the people who don't rent recognized the name right off the gate, he is a very handsome Irish actor.

[SPEAKER_03]: my opinion, I'm aware, but he can range from the determined detective, Danny Whitworth, in Minority Report, a great Tom Cruise movie, which is something I don't say very often, to the action villain of Bullseye in the Ben Affleck Daredevil movie, to leading [SPEAKER_03]: So he has this huge range, and if they're looking for somebody with that style.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, you know, I feel like Colin Ferrell probably gets dunked on a lot, but I don't.

[SPEAKER_07]: Okay, so you brought a bullseye in Daredevil, and I do have to be like the thorn in your side there, because what the hell was that?

[SPEAKER_07]: What the hell is that?

[SPEAKER_07]: I love that movie, and more importantly, I love the soundtrack on that movie, that soundtrack is amazing.

[SPEAKER_07]: Bleed for me by saliva, great song.

[SPEAKER_07]: I don't think that this necessarily means Shepard, right?

[SPEAKER_07]: Besides, if you're talking about Shepard and this is Shepard, then all of a sudden, you're like preemptively declaring that there will be no Fim Shep.

[SPEAKER_07]: Like, Fim Shep is not the lead, is what you're saying.

[SPEAKER_07]: And I don't know if they want to go that route.

[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, so it's very much a possibility on that.

[SPEAKER_03]: I think that this other female lead that we have coming up is a possibility because I've been thinking about this one like pretty much all day and I wouldn't mind it [SPEAKER_03]: being a shepherd story, if the female lead, that is, okay, so another one is the female from 30 to 49, human providing a parallel narrative from Earth, a parallel narrative, okay, so what if that's a [SPEAKER_07]: I don't know about that, well, between the ages of 30 and 49, Fim Shep would definitely not be on earth.

[SPEAKER_07]: So unless it's like in that very short time frame that Shep is incarcerated.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but that's the actor's age.

[SPEAKER_03]: That's not the age of the character.

[SPEAKER_03]: That's the age of the actor that they're looking for.

[SPEAKER_03]: And we've got 30 year olds playing high school students and then 19 year olds who can read like they're 40 on camera.

[SPEAKER_03]: So they're just looking for an age range there.

[SPEAKER_07]: But I also find this interesting because unless they're taking huge artistic liberty, like let's just for a second assume, okay, they're doing the TV show based off of the original trilogy.

[SPEAKER_07]: I think this stands at odds with that, because if you have a female whose age is 30 to 49, roughly appearing human and providing a parallel narrative from Earth, who do we have in the original trilogy that fits that mold?

[SPEAKER_07]: Really not any of the major characters, certainly not Ashley.

[SPEAKER_07]: I can't think of anybody actually who fits that mold and so I feel like this casting call if it's to be believed kind of stands at odds that this would be a direct parallel of any story from the original trilogy.

[SPEAKER_03]: Unless it's Miranda Miranda is Earthborn grew up on Earth and didn't join servers until later.

[SPEAKER_07]: That would be interesting.

[SPEAKER_07]: Um, now we also have this, uh, I find it interesting open ethnicity for the lead, meaning that they are either creating a completely new character where it doesn't have to mimic anyone, or it's shepherd who can be anyone.

[SPEAKER_03]: exactly.

[SPEAKER_07]: But you would think that if it were shepherd that they would say male or female, that it would be a casting call that they'd be open to, whoever could play the role, right?

[SPEAKER_03]: Roo.

[SPEAKER_03]: I guess, yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: Unless it's a gender-bent colon for all.

[SPEAKER_03]: Collina.

[SPEAKER_07]: Um, the Terrian but shot in chat says, I'm guessing the female 30 to 49 might be ambassador Goyle.

[SPEAKER_07]: That's a great reference.

[SPEAKER_07]: Particularly if they are providing human earth perspective.

[SPEAKER_07]: So ambassador Goyle was the human ambassador during the trilogy of novels.

[SPEAKER_07]: Excuse me, I should say the first novel from Drew Carpison.

[SPEAKER_07]: Mass Effect revelations and ambassador before that.

[SPEAKER_07]: So this was while, um, [SPEAKER_07]: David Anderson was being evaluated to become a specter, and so Ambassador Goyle was a human ambassador then.

[SPEAKER_07]: So depending on setting, maybe that would line up, however, I believe that Anderson would be a little bit younger than 30 to 39.

[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, do we get a definitive A zone Anderson?

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not quite sure on that one, but he does seem older.

[SPEAKER_07]: I also think that it would be kind of a huge fuck up if Amazon was casting for a young Anderson role, and they decided to cast a white guy.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: I.

So open this city.

[SPEAKER_07]: That's why that's what I'm referencing there.

[SPEAKER_07]: The casting calls saying open ethnicity.

[SPEAKER_03]: Especially because like, we have so many characters who have defined ethnicities and, you know, in our minds, these characters look like these characters.

[SPEAKER_03]: Lyara looks like Lyara, you know, everybody looks like exactly like we can see them.

[SPEAKER_03]: And even the fact that we're going to have to adjust to if these are the characters we love, they're not going to sound like them.

[SPEAKER_03]: And that's already going to be weird enough for me.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_07]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_07]: So that being said, you brought up Lyra a little bit earlier.

[SPEAKER_07]: Um, there is a cast in call for a female co lead, co lead.

[SPEAKER_07]: This is interesting.

[SPEAKER_07]: Uh, actress ages 30 to 34 to 39.

[SPEAKER_07]: Alien character requiring prosthetics.

[SPEAKER_07]: Okay, a lot of people, like buy and large, the vast majority of people speculating about this have concluded gotta be Lyara.

[SPEAKER_07]: But what I challenge them to ask themselves why?

[SPEAKER_07]: Why do you, why are you so certain that it is Lyara?

[SPEAKER_03]: Because she's been the collade in the original trilogy, it has been a story about Shepherd and Lyara trying to figure out everything.

[SPEAKER_07]: but it doesn't, this doesn't have to be an OG trilogy mirror story, does it?

[SPEAKER_03]: You're right.

[SPEAKER_03]: It could be any type of alien.

[SPEAKER_03]: It could be any species of alien as long as it's feminine like.

[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it could be a salarian for all we know.

[SPEAKER_07]: It could be the first female volus.

[SPEAKER_07]: Though we get the chance to meet.

[SPEAKER_07]: Who knows?

[SPEAKER_07]: Female volus coly, that would be bold.

[SPEAKER_07]: No, but alien character requiring prosthetics.

[SPEAKER_07]: I think that part is probably a really good indicator that is in a sorry, right?

[SPEAKER_07]: Because then what do they call not head tentacles?

[SPEAKER_07]: Head flange, head flange, head flange.

[SPEAKER_07]: the other that's their carapace it's their yeah they're in my headpiece i can't remember the name anyway um yeah i feel like that's probably an indicator that this isn't a sorry um because if you were playing uh accordion then you're just gonna sue you don't really require any prosthetics maybe some weird legs but that could be CGI um the if you were a female crogan that would definitely [SPEAKER_03]: That would be a heavy, heavy prosthesis, as well as a terrian.

[SPEAKER_03]: That would also be a lot of prosthesis.

[SPEAKER_07]: All right, so, all right, let's go over to the next cast in call because I feel like that one is pretty open.

[SPEAKER_07]: We just know that there's going to be, according to this leak, a female co-lead in her mid to late 30s, playing an alien that requires prosthetics.

[SPEAKER_07]: Um, keep that in mind.

[SPEAKER_07]: I don't think it's necessarily conclusive, but, uh, let's go to the next, the next, um, casting call, uh, male, uh, male villain lead 40 years old to 60 years old.

[SPEAKER_07]: This one just says Doug Jones type.

[SPEAKER_03]: I like that.

[SPEAKER_03]: So Doug Jones is known for playing non-human characters.

[SPEAKER_03]: He was the blue brother, Abe, in hellboy, and the amphibian man in the shape of water, aka Thane, and 60 episodes of Star Trek Discovery as Captain Saro, just to get the kind of feel that they're looking for on this one.

[SPEAKER_07]: Right, yeah, okay, so I like probably a lot of other people were like who is Doug Jones and then I Google Doug Jones and I looked at his Wikipedia And it said it known for playing like monsters aliens non-human characters right and then I looked at the filmography and It said in Fibia man in shape of water.

[SPEAKER_07]: It also said that he got his start in the 80s playing Mac tonight [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know that one.

[SPEAKER_07]: Okay, so Mac tonight was a mascot for a McDonald's marketing campaign.

[SPEAKER_07]: And it was the guy with the crescent moonhead.

[SPEAKER_07]: That was Mac tonight.

[SPEAKER_07]: And I could not believe that Abe and Hellboy and the amphibian man in shape of water and Mac tonight are all the same person.

[SPEAKER_07]: That like blew my mind.

[SPEAKER_07]: uh...

and bringing up McDonald's again with the filet of fish finder let's go google that one guys yeah uh...

so okay so i think that it's it doesn't say press thesis required for uh...

this male villain lead but i feel like if they're saying dugs jones type it's kind of like a almost a dog whistle for like monster makeup [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, very much so, but the fact that it could, I mean, it's any alien type to me, it does read, you know, the male villain lead, you know, if we're thinking OG trilogy, especially if we're thinking ME1, it reads very seren.

[SPEAKER_03]: But the fact that Doug Jones also played a character that looks exactly like Thane, it could be a drill.

[SPEAKER_07]: Ooh, that'd be cool, a male drill villain lead, middle-aged by the way, 40 to 60 years old.

[SPEAKER_07]: A lot of people are also saying that sounds a lot like Seren.

[SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm, yeah.

[SPEAKER_07]: My thing is, if that's Seren, uh, [SPEAKER_07]: like, why, for first of all, why are you doing this?

[SPEAKER_07]: Why are you doing this?

[SPEAKER_07]: Um, because we've already kind of like established that the male 30 to 39, possibly shepherd, I kind of doubt they go that route, um, but the female co-lead being an alien requiring prosthetics, [SPEAKER_07]: And then who is this parallel narrative from Earth?

[SPEAKER_07]: Maybe this is the kind of curveball, maybe they're trying to like throw in a little spicy new lore that never was in the games.

[SPEAKER_07]: I think that probably upset a lot of people.

[SPEAKER_07]: Actually, if they're going to like try and mirror the shepherd story, but then throw in some new lore as if it were there the whole time.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I could be Emily Wong for all we know.

[SPEAKER_03]: She's reporting from Earth, not from the Citadel.

[SPEAKER_07]: That'd be cool.

[SPEAKER_07]: That would mean that this was Mass Effect 3 though.

[SPEAKER_07]: I think.

[SPEAKER_07]: Um, well, I guess she could always go back and forth between Earth, but, um, yeah, I think like it doesn't say alien For male villain lead here for this casting call, but I feel like you can't say Doug Jones type and not evoke memories of the font in Pan's Labroth.

[SPEAKER_07]: Right with pale man.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, now even Hellboy is exactly who I picture, you know, that's that's the one that sticks out for me because thinking exactly what this is I do it breeds very serene and that both makes me happy, but also worries me.

[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if I want this.

[SPEAKER_07]: For those of you who haven't seen Doug Jones, it's very lanky.

[SPEAKER_07]: So that, I mean, you could put like a Turian suit on someone who's pretty lanky, it would work, or like you said a drill, that would work.

[SPEAKER_07]: Crogan, I cannot see Doug Jones playing a Crogan, it doesn't mean he wouldn't, but [SPEAKER_07]: you know, anyway.

[SPEAKER_07]: We have one more casting call that has been leaked.

[SPEAKER_07]: It's another man, ages 30 to 49, and it just says wrestler-type soldier.

[SPEAKER_07]: Vega.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you know, there's there's been a lot of different ones that I've seen people trying to guess on who this is.

[SPEAKER_03]: Some people were saying garish.

[SPEAKER_03]: I did see some Vega.

[SPEAKER_03]: For me, this reads kind of [SPEAKER_07]: You think Caden is kind of a wrestler to I guess it depends on do you mean like actual wrestlers or do you mean WWE wrestlers because they have two very different body types.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, yes they do because it's like the WWE wrestlers well no home on I'm going to take that back because they're both body types in the WWE you have a pain under taker hurt angle guys like that are the true solid brick shape and they are the wrestlers and then you've got the guys like hbk triple h [SPEAKER_03]: that have more of the swimmer's athlete body's who are the triangle shape, broad wide shoulders, and then leading down to the narrow little waist.

[SPEAKER_03]: Now, if it's that style, where it's got the wide chest and wide shoulders, but going down to the narrow waist shape, that's a triangle shape.

[SPEAKER_03]: That's a garrison shape, and I will agree with on that one.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, that's a that's a trash can [SPEAKER_03]: No, trash cans don't have a curvacious little.

[SPEAKER_03]: Have you seen how small that man's waist is?

[SPEAKER_03]: You could fit your hands around that in one go.

[SPEAKER_07]: It's quite small.

[SPEAKER_07]: However, his little neck thing looks like the opening to a trash can.

[SPEAKER_07]: That it does.

[SPEAKER_07]: All right, so we've got a wrestler type soldier.

[SPEAKER_07]: Again, could be Caden, I guess, it could be garris, you're saying, you would think that they would also note prosthetics like heavy prosthetics involved though, if it were garris.

[SPEAKER_03]: That's true.

[SPEAKER_03]: I believe that and so that's why this leads more cane to me because he is also technically a soldier.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, he's a biotic soldier, but he's still a soldier to me.

[SPEAKER_07]: This reads a lot more like Vega, which would make me even more confused about what the hell the setting is for this TV show.

[SPEAKER_07]: Are they just skipping directly to Mass Effect 3?

[SPEAKER_07]: You know what I mean?

[SPEAKER_07]: Which they could be doing?

[SPEAKER_07]: Who knows?

[SPEAKER_07]: You know, maybe the Doug Jones type is kind of like a, uh, I don't know, red herring because they're actually casting for the elusive man.

[SPEAKER_07]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_07]: Um, but I know that the wrestler type soldier as soon as I see that I think James Vega, but again, it could also be not related to the original trilogy whatsoever.

[SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[SPEAKER_03]: We could be dealing with an entire new cast of characters who are just following along in the same timeline as Shepherd.

[SPEAKER_03]: And so we'll hear about things that are happening, but it's not actually Shepherd's story.

[SPEAKER_07]: Here is a total curve.

[SPEAKER_07]: What if this show takes place in Andromeda, except for that female 30 to 49 with the parallel narrative from Earth?

[SPEAKER_07]: Oh, so what if it's primarily taking place in the Andromeda galaxy?

[SPEAKER_07]: However, we have that tied to the Milky Way with her story coming from Earth.

[SPEAKER_03]: Well, that would be interesting.

[SPEAKER_03]: kind of like that the way that they would tie all of it together.

[SPEAKER_03]: I just don't know if you can throw somebody into indromeda and not try and explain all the lore.

[SPEAKER_03]: I feel like there'd be a massive lore dump if we're starting with indromeda or if you are starting with Vega right away, having starting at Mass Effect 3 would be very difficult also.

[SPEAKER_03]: I feel like there's story [SPEAKER_03]: And if these were a bunch of other characters who are not related to the Normandy, but still play a prominent role, like, well, I guess it could be a vague a type work because we knew that Vega was still doing things alongside of what Shepherd was doing and those two stories interacted.

[SPEAKER_03]: But I think that there has to be, you have to build the world before you can build the story when it comes to something like this.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yes, and on that note, something just came to me that the fact that they have a male, young Colin Ferrell type open ethnicity says, A, human male, human male is going to be that lead.

[SPEAKER_07]: Female co-lead, so someone who is in a lot of scenes with the male lead, [SPEAKER_07]: the this person is an alien shows me that this story takes place sometime after the first contact war sometime after humanity has been integrated into the larger milky way uh political dynamic because otherwise you could not have a female alien co-lead.

[SPEAKER_03]: agreed.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, now we definitely have a it's probably not going to be the first contact war and it's probably not going to be the Crogan Rebellions.

[SPEAKER_03]: You know?

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, the presence of humans in this story has kind of solidified my opinion that it was not going to be the Crogan Rebellions or the Rack Nye Wars or the Death Morning War.

[SPEAKER_07]: So this kind of limits the scope in terms of the Mass Effect timeline when this series could take place.

[SPEAKER_07]: But again, all of this is kind of like hinging on whether or not this leak, this series of leaked casting calls is worth relying on.

[SPEAKER_07]: And so that, and that alone depends on the credibility of our source, which if you read anything about this online, you'll see it all comes back to a person named Daniel Richtman, like I mentioned at the beginning.

[SPEAKER_07]: Now this was my first time hearing his name, [SPEAKER_07]: I don't know about you, Genesis, but that might mean nothing for me as I don't keep up really with Hollywood or industry news.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, no, I had not heard of this man before.

[SPEAKER_07]: I guess there are a lot of people who keep up with the Marvel Cinematic Universe who know this guy's name because he's had some correct predictions in the past, but I wondered how does this guy even know?

[SPEAKER_07]: What kind of background does he have that would allow him access to details not publicly reported yet?

[SPEAKER_07]: because it doesn't appear to me that he is an accredited industry reporter, like say Jason Schrier, we often talk about him in terms of buyerware, and Schrier, of course, is Bloomberg backing his credibility in a long list of bylines.

[SPEAKER_07]: So who then?

[SPEAKER_07]: And so I tried to find some kind of inkling of who Rick Demand might have worked for, and basically, you know, like what is Rick Demand's [SPEAKER_07]: And what I found was that he has accounts across social media, you know, X, Patreon, under the name, Daniel RPK.

[SPEAKER_07]: And he runs a YouTube account with about 11,000 subscribers named RPK News.

[SPEAKER_07]: And in all of that content, his bread and butter looks like it's inside scoops, you know, rumors, leaks for movie and TV and film and comics and it's very often originating from behind his paywall on Patreon.

[SPEAKER_07]: Now, his Patreon page says that his work is analyzing and talking about movie, TV, comics, and books and providing some quantum quote, inside scoops.

[SPEAKER_07]: That's like the extent of the bio that we get.

[SPEAKER_07]: So when I saw that, I was a little bit like, I have even more questions now, you know what I mean?

[SPEAKER_03]: Where are these scoops coming from?

[SPEAKER_03]: How are you getting into this information?

[SPEAKER_03]: Is it verifiable and any way shape or form?

[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know you, dude.

[SPEAKER_03]: If this comes out on Perez Hilton and Perez Hilton who's saying, yeah, I got this information, then I would trust his leaks because he's a lot more established.

[SPEAKER_03]: But this guy, I don't know.

[SPEAKER_07]: right this is a little bit of like media literacy 101 and i hope that you know here or any of the people who who who who who looked to him for like the gospel don't take this you know personally it's just that we're approaching this with a little bit of skepticism um [SPEAKER_07]: He is described in a lot of articles by like IGN and GameSpot as an influencer or writer who shares casting and production info and in fact I found this description interesting in the GameSpot article about what we've been talking about.

[SPEAKER_07]: GameSpot writer Landpitz says insider Daniel Ricktman via IGN who has previously provided reliable casting details for projects like the Buffy the [SPEAKER_07]: reboot.

[SPEAKER_07]: So there's some level of credibility according to IGN about a pass, basically, details that Rick Tman had leaked.

[SPEAKER_07]: Again, that leaves me with questions about, okay, so if he is credible and he has been right in the past, who is this and how is he?

[SPEAKER_07]: And maybe, maybe Daniel Rick Tman is a misnomer.

[SPEAKER_07]: Maybe that's not even his name.

[SPEAKER_07]: Maybe it's a pseudonym, [SPEAKER_07]: If you're leaking this kind of stuff, you're probably not supposed to be leaking this kind of stuff.

[SPEAKER_03]: Right, leaks aren't supposed to happen unless they're intentional.

[SPEAKER_07]: Right, so a lot of what he has predicted in the past, not regarding this, with Mass Effect, but a lot of what he's predicted in past, hasn't been fully verified.

[SPEAKER_07]: So I wanted to kind of...

[SPEAKER_07]: put this disclaimer that I looked and I could not find any record of Rick toman having formal credentials like being an employee of a studio working inside a major production company, being an accredited journalist with major credentials or or really any web page of his own outside of Patreon, which again offered like sparse details about himself and [SPEAKER_07]: but that doesn't mean that he isn't.

[SPEAKER_07]: That doesn't mean that he isn't like in a position professionally where he would have access to these kinds of things.

[SPEAKER_07]: But I have found a couple of reddit threads where people, like I said, keeping up with the MCU, and leaks about the MCU, they put some faith in him, but they largely describe him as hit or miss.

[SPEAKER_07]: I guess a few years ago, people said his leaks of Marvel movie trailers and the dates that that was spot on, that he's a pretty good record with that.

[SPEAKER_07]: So apparently whoever's running this has some level of access.

[SPEAKER_07]: As they've been right about things in the past, but we don't really know what level of access and it's not like they have a perfect batting average.

[SPEAKER_07]: Uh, basically all of this is to say to everyone listening to take these Mass Effect TV show casting call, things with a grain of salt.

[SPEAKER_07]: And the other thing is, even if he's absolutely right about all of these casting calls having been put out, that doesn't, that that's not like definitive.

[SPEAKER_07]: Like the TV show writers and director could change their mind about how they want to [SPEAKER_03]: great.

[SPEAKER_03]: We love this actress as our female co-lead, but we're just not finding the right guy to go along with her.

[SPEAKER_03]: There's no the chemistry is just not working out right.

[SPEAKER_03]: Let's change our main our main male lead and it could be somebody completely different.

[SPEAKER_07]: or there's always, you know, contract negotiations fall through that kind of thing.

[SPEAKER_07]: So, you know, even if this denouricment is spot on with, you know, the accuracy of the casting calls that he's put out, it doesn't necessarily mean that what we see in the final product will reflect that, which I guess is perfect cover.

[SPEAKER_07]: ton of perfect cover after leekers and it all right well with that let's get to the mid-break and we've got some more to talk about with this mass-fight tv show when we come back we have uh beef bacon we have beer the foods of my people young men have funny ideas of what a [SPEAKER_07]: All right, and here we are in the middle of the show where we read out your five star reviews.

[SPEAKER_07]: And we have a new one this week, Genesis on Apple Podcasts from TH Cessford in Canada, who writes my favorite lorecast on the Citadel.

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[SPEAKER_07]: It's like my neck of the woods.

[SPEAKER_07]: But thank you, Tommy C.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, do we like that much?

[SPEAKER_07]: Wow, the review we love so much, we read twice.

[SPEAKER_07]: Okay, I didn't realize we already read that one.

[SPEAKER_07]: Chalk it up to some sleep deprivation on my part.

[SPEAKER_07]: Looks like we also have a couple of comments on our newest episode on Spotify.

[SPEAKER_07]: Now, I don't think we've read this one out from Varus Gakarian.

[SPEAKER_07]: Sounds like the name that Garris would have with a mustache as it is, guys.

[SPEAKER_07]: Is Waluigi form?

[SPEAKER_07]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_07]: So, Varis, Gaharian, writes, just tripped across this podcast a few months ago while I was hospitalized and playing through Mass Effect 2 as I recovered.

[SPEAKER_07]: So it's pretty obvious to say that I owe you guys a lot.

[SPEAKER_07]: I wish Sam was my friend.

[SPEAKER_07]: I can be your friend, VAERS.

[SPEAKER_07]: If you want, I can be your friend.

[SPEAKER_07]: But I don't think that you owe us anything.

[SPEAKER_07]: I'm just happy that you're here.

[SPEAKER_07]: I hope that you're covering well from whatever it is that you're hospitalized with.

[SPEAKER_07]: Although Mass Effect 2 is not a terrible way to spend some time for covering.

[SPEAKER_03]: uh...

that's how we picked up uh...

robot picked up a new legendary edition when she was recovering from surgery and played through it she's like all i can do is sit on my couch in recovery so i might as well play mass effects right on and that's what that's when i played cyberpunk for the first time i was recovering from getting all four wisdom teeth out uh...

[SPEAKER_07]: wouldn't recommend that, getting all four out at the same time.

[SPEAKER_07]: That was rough.

[SPEAKER_07]: But hey, cyberpunk on Perkis, that was fun.

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[SPEAKER_07]: to see, you know, Kira C, and Ed Boy.

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[SPEAKER_07]: I've got a sound clip here that you've given me and it's time to test to see if I can place who said this in which game.

[SPEAKER_07]: Alright, let's go ahead and play this one.

[SPEAKER_07]: Shall we?

[SPEAKER_05]: And pissed off.

[SPEAKER_05]: When I get pissed off, I shoot things.

[SPEAKER_05]: Find me more bugs.

[SPEAKER_07]: Okay, that was definitely Mark Meer as Shepard.

[SPEAKER_07]: That sounds like a Mass Effect one line.

[SPEAKER_07]: It's really clean.

[SPEAKER_07]: Like there's no background audio at all.

[SPEAKER_07]: I don't know how you got this that clean.

[SPEAKER_07]: But it sounds like it happened just based off of the background.

[SPEAKER_07]: Ah!

[SPEAKER_07]: It sounds like it happened on an uncharted world.

[SPEAKER_07]: And it sounds like it may have taken place during that one mission where, where Shepard helps the Alliance Marines defend against the waves of Ragnai.

[SPEAKER_03]: A hundred percent spot on, congrats to you.

[SPEAKER_07]: Wow!

[SPEAKER_07]: Nice!

[SPEAKER_07]: Alright, I know my Mass Effect one.

[SPEAKER_07]: I love that game.

[SPEAKER_07]: Alright, thank you.

[SPEAKER_07]: Thank you.

[SPEAKER_07]: Did you, were you surprised?

[SPEAKER_07]: Did you expect me then I'd get that one?

[SPEAKER_03]: Well, because it's the renegade option, so I was like, maybe he's never picked this one before, but wow.

[SPEAKER_07]: I, well, I use my impressive powers of deduction to know that, okay, it's an uncharted world you're fighting bugs.

[SPEAKER_07]: Where are you fighting bugs?

[SPEAKER_07]: It's Shepherd.

[SPEAKER_07]: Gotta be mass-ficked one, because about charmingly flat that was, like, day zero and chat here to sit.

[SPEAKER_07]: Alright, so next week I get to quiz you on a sound clip, so with that let's get back to the rest of the show.

[SPEAKER_02]: After time adrift among open stars, a long tide of light and through shows of dust, I will return to where I began.

[SPEAKER_01]: Celery and reproduction different, very little sex drive.

[SPEAKER_01]: If intended to try human, would try you.

[SPEAKER_01]: Ow, my pengaries!

[SPEAKER_07]: All right, here we are in the second half of the show.

[SPEAKER_07]: And, you know, Genesis, I wanted to talk a little bit about what we do know so far on the Mass Effect TV show.

[SPEAKER_07]: Because there's a lot of speculation going around and I want people to understand that even with the leaks we talked about in the first half, which might not be leaks at all, who knows that there are some definitive publicly reported details that we do know.

[SPEAKER_07]: we can go through a little bit of these.

[SPEAKER_07]: Number one, we know that this series is officially in active development.

[SPEAKER_07]: That much has been confirmed.

[SPEAKER_07]: That is not hearsay.

[SPEAKER_07]: This Amazon TV series is in production.

[SPEAKER_07]: It is happening.

[SPEAKER_07]: Unforeseen circumstances, notwithstanding.

[SPEAKER_03]: right who knows that things could go wrong but as of right now it is in active development this is known.

[SPEAKER_07]: right.

[SPEAKER_07]: This is the way.

[SPEAKER_07]: We also know that the writing for this was actually set to begin at the beginning of 2025.

[SPEAKER_07]: So by this point in September of 2025, there should be a decent amount of writing already done for the TV show.

[SPEAKER_07]: And we know that from reporting from PC gamer.

[SPEAKER_03]: Which does kind of align with now that they've gotten through eight, nine months of writing.

[SPEAKER_03]: They are now starting to look at who would be casting for these roles.

[SPEAKER_03]: So the timeline on that leak does fit.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_07]: And we also know a little bit about the production team and who specifically is working on this.

[SPEAKER_07]: We know that Daniel Casey, whose name you might recognize from the Fast and the Furious series, is the writer and executive producer.

[SPEAKER_07]: Now that one, [SPEAKER_07]: actually gave me a little bit of pause because fast in the furious don't get me wrong is a fun series but it is not one that I would engage my mind like I engage my mind and mass effect.

[SPEAKER_07]: That is one where I am vibe and partake in certain substances because it is funny and a good way to tune out [SPEAKER_07]: than I would, a mass effect one.

[SPEAKER_03]: I agree with you on that.

[SPEAKER_03]: It definitely gave me pause, but if I was like, if there's somebody who's going to do action combined with drama well, don't forget romance.

[SPEAKER_03]: and romance.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, uh, it is going to be somebody who's done that previously in the fast and the furious is action heavy.

[SPEAKER_03]: It is very drama heavy.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's it can get campy for sure fully aware of that, but so can mass effect.

[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_03]: You're so fair.

[SPEAKER_07]: On that note, can we be lucky enough to get Michelle Rodriguez in the TV show?

[SPEAKER_03]: Michelle Rodriguez gives is like my number one cast dream casting for Ashley Williams.

[SPEAKER_07]: Oh, for sure.

[SPEAKER_07]: For sure.

[SPEAKER_07]: Anyway, I'm going to say, let's go to the next point before I say something that my wife wouldn't like me saying about Michelle Rodriguez.

[SPEAKER_07]: Doug Young, I think that's how you pronounce his last name, right?

[SPEAKER_07]: Young, young, young, young, young.

[SPEAKER_07]: is the showrunner and that's according to reporting from games radar PC gamer a bunch of other places I was actually unfamiliar with his name were you familiar with Doug Jung [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, they've been involved with like Star Trek beyond and that one I know about and so the fact that this this guy seems to be a space involved gives me a little bit better hope so bringing fast and furious into space.

[SPEAKER_03]: I think I think that's how it's going to go.

[SPEAKER_07]: Wait, didn't the last fast in the furious already bring fast in the furious to space?

[SPEAKER_07]: I didn't see it.

[SPEAKER_03]: I haven't.

[SPEAKER_03]: I stopped after like six.

[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_07]: That's fair.

[SPEAKER_07]: So we also know that there's a few other people who are working on the series, including Michael Gamble, who is the executive, oh crap.

[SPEAKER_07]: Now I forget his exact title for the next Mass Effect.

[SPEAKER_07]: Basically, he's the head-on-show.

[SPEAKER_07]: for the next Mass Effect so I always love to see it that they would include the game people in the production for the TV show.

[SPEAKER_07]: I think that's part of what made the fallout TV show adaptation so successful that they had clearly worked with the Thesta so closely.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_03]: And that right there, having my gamble on, it brings a lot to it.

[SPEAKER_03]: There is a TV series that that I watched where it was a book adaptation, straight from novel to screen.

[SPEAKER_03]: And normally when they do that, it's like, oh, I'm going to buy the right-steer book, and I'm going to write my own screenplay.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm going to add it at [SPEAKER_03]: adapt it but this one they brought the writer the author of the books fully in and she had to approve basically everything so that way it didn't turn out something wild and crazy like the Twilight movies.

[SPEAKER_03]: adapted from books.

[SPEAKER_03]: It did not go as well because a lot of things were changed.

[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, but I think in this case, having BioWare and EA producers included in bringing last effect to the small screen is going to help a lot.

[SPEAKER_07]: You said wild and crazy, and immediately I got this mental image of shepherd and garris, just like going to town and having their boys day out and being too wild and crazy guys, which is an old reference.

[SPEAKER_07]: And if you get that reference, it might be time to get your colon checked.

[SPEAKER_03]: I would love that so much though.

[SPEAKER_03]: I would love to see just like a day in the life slice of brochure and garrisonous being dudes.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like give me that and I'll be happy.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, that would be cool.

[SPEAKER_07]: Okay, so we also know that they're already speaking of writing, we're talking about how they must be some level of advanced into the writing, given that the casting call is apparently going out.

[SPEAKER_07]: There's a pilot script.

[SPEAKER_07]: and there's already an outline for the series in place.

[SPEAKER_07]: That's promising to me.

[SPEAKER_07]: That was reported by PC gamer as well as a publication named Tweet Town, the dubious credibility of somewhere named Tweet Town.

[SPEAKER_07]: I'm not too familiar with, but there is apparently an ample amount of writing that has already been done about this series before the production takes place.

[SPEAKER_07]: with any kind of media, a fictional or nonfiction is the writer's scrambling to finish it while the plane is already in the air.

[SPEAKER_03]: right.

[SPEAKER_03]: And so the fact that at least the outline is in place and now they just are filling in the details and seeing how things are going.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I also, I like the fact that it is still a little bit loose because like what I was talking about earlier with the casting, you know, maybe you can feel that other characters are going to be interacting more because of their on-screen chemistry.

[SPEAKER_03]: and building up storylines that you didn't necessarily think we're going to take a lead role.

[SPEAKER_03]: I've seen that happen in True Blood watching that book series to TV series adaptation.

[SPEAKER_03]: The fans fell in love with a character who was supposed to die off at the end of season one, but the fans loved them so much.

[SPEAKER_03]: They made it so that they didn't die and continued his character on.

[SPEAKER_07]: Power to the people.

[SPEAKER_07]: And by the way, that's why we can even romance tally and garrows.

[SPEAKER_07]: That's that's why right there.

[SPEAKER_07]: All right, so I mentioned fallout the fallout TV series.

[SPEAKER_07]: Of course, I mentioned it because it's another Amazon product, but [SPEAKER_07]: I also found out that the production team is leveraging Amazon their teams that worked with the fallout adaptation.

[SPEAKER_07]: So some of the same people that worked on adapting fallout from video game to Amazon TV series are going to be working on this project as well.

[SPEAKER_07]: That's very promising to [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I absolutely loved it.

[SPEAKER_03]: I thought it was a great way to introduce the fallout series, because it felt very fallout.

[SPEAKER_03]: It held true to the universe and the world that was already built, but it wasn't them trying to follow the story of the wanderer.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I think it's called in fallout four.

[SPEAKER_03]: It wasn't trying to survive or that's what it was.

[SPEAKER_07]: The wanderer is a great song, though.

[SPEAKER_03]: They weren't trying to follow the storyline that we have all built on our own.

[SPEAKER_03]: They're rather just placing another character in that same world, which is what we hope is happening here for Mass Effect.

[SPEAKER_03]: They're not trying to follow Shepard's story.

[SPEAKER_07]: At least, yeah, I kind of hope that as well.

[SPEAKER_07]: Now, what's in store for the production in the future?

[SPEAKER_07]: It looks like there are some plans that filming will start toward the end of 2026.

[SPEAKER_07]: I don't know how promising that is, but I'm right now, I'm just going off of posts that IGN has put up that it's the end of next year is when filming would start.

[SPEAKER_07]: So we may not get this series for a while.

[SPEAKER_03]: Because if they want to, if they've taken, you know, nine months to a year to write a script that they feel is really going to work out and then the casting and picking the correct people who are going to fill the roles as they see it and then set building and world building and CGI creations make up artists and building all the prosthesis that are going to be required for this show.

[SPEAKER_03]: Because [SPEAKER_03]: us in the fandom are going to nitpick.

[SPEAKER_03]: If they give us what programs look like in the comic books, we are going to write it, okay?

[SPEAKER_03]: I know us, this is us, this is the internet, we will be very offended if they do that.

[SPEAKER_03]: I would also love to know if we have a timeline of how long it took to do the [SPEAKER_03]: how long did it take them to do that?

[SPEAKER_03]: And I feel like that could be a similar timeline that we could see for Mass Effect.

[SPEAKER_03]: Because if we took them three years to do, then give Mass Effect the equal amount of time to make it as good as that.

[SPEAKER_07]: You know, the other thing is that I'm pretty sure I remember learning this about TV show production that filming is one of the last stages.

[SPEAKER_07]: So the fact that they're starting filming in the late 2026 doesn't mean that we're like not going to get the show until 2028 or 2029.

[SPEAKER_07]: We could very well get the show in 2027.

[SPEAKER_07]: However, there is a decent amount of editing that needs to be done after filming.

[SPEAKER_07]: Right.

[SPEAKER_07]: Um, so I, I looked this up filming for the first season of the Fallout TV show began July 5th 2022.

[SPEAKER_07]: So it came out.

[SPEAKER_07]: What?

[SPEAKER_07]: Was that early this year or last year?

[SPEAKER_03]: I believe it was last year.

[SPEAKER_07]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_07]: So the Fallout TV series, okay, premiered on April 10th, 2024.

[SPEAKER_07]: That's when it so it was a little under two years from the start of filming to the premier.

[SPEAKER_07]: So we could be looking at a 2028 release, but as you can clearly hear in chat notes that they also had the writer's strike that may have delayed production.

[SPEAKER_07]: So that's a good point who knows what the Mass Effect TV series production will look like.

[SPEAKER_07]: They all come with their own unique problems and challenges and hurdles.

[SPEAKER_07]: I'm thinking in terms of when we're expecting the next Mass Effect game to be released, this could very well come out as somewhat of a companion to the next game, the same way that the comics and the novels came out as companions to the games which immediately followed their release.

[SPEAKER_03]: I think that this would be a great release to happen, you know, within a six month period of the next game.

[SPEAKER_07]: or exactly, and we know that Bior is a huge fan of doing that with the Drew Carpash and novels coming out before Mass Effect 1, like right before Mass Effect 1, right before Mass Effect 2, right before Mass Effect 3, in between Mass Effect 2 and 3.

[SPEAKER_07]: bunch of the comics coming out and then within drama the trilogy of novels that came out for that one.

[SPEAKER_07]: So we know that BioWare likes partnering with other people to produce more world-building, more lore stuff for a partner kind of media to come out right before games release.

[SPEAKER_07]: All right.

[SPEAKER_07]: We have a little bit of time here at the end.

[SPEAKER_07]: I wanted to jump to just a couple of details about we don't know or is still uncertain.

[SPEAKER_07]: So number one, obviously no official Premier date yet for the Mass Effect TV show.

[SPEAKER_07]: We also don't know what the setting is going to be.

[SPEAKER_07]: We just don't know.

[SPEAKER_07]: So that means we don't know if it's going to be shepherd or an entirely original story.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to assume the setting is going to be outer space.

[SPEAKER_03]: I think I can confirm that one.

[SPEAKER_07]: I think you're right.

[SPEAKER_07]: I think you're right about that one.

[SPEAKER_07]: It's going to be extra terrestrial, intergalactic, no, not intergalactic, maybe intergalactic.

[SPEAKER_03]: Intergalactic.

[SPEAKER_07]: Inter.

[SPEAKER_07]: And we also know that while we have had these supposed leaks for the casting calls, nothing about that has been officially confirmed.

[SPEAKER_07]: So before you go online and start sending mean things to people, [SPEAKER_07]: just keep in mind that you might be wrong.

[SPEAKER_07]: Anyway, Genesis, what do you want to see from the TV series when it comes out?

[SPEAKER_07]: No, I know we talked a little bit about this with our patrons, but like, you know, you, you wanted to be an original story, who would be your lead characters if we're talking about people who have already been established.

[SPEAKER_03]: Ooh, if we have to pick somebody who's already been established, I actually would kind of prefer it to be somebody that we don't know.

[SPEAKER_03]: Following somebody else's story that is concurrent with Shepherd's story so that way we hear little bits and pieces, we hear our own elevator conversations about what Shepherd is out there doing, but it's just some other person's story that's going on along the same time.

[SPEAKER_03]: Um, because I don't know if there's anybody really in the games right now, that's not related to the Normandy that I feel is a compelling enough character to want to follow them around for however long this series is going to be.

[SPEAKER_07]: that is fair.

[SPEAKER_07]: Um, I would probably agree with you that I want someone new, like I just want something new to dive into.

[SPEAKER_07]: That way we don't get the constant comparisons to someone in the lore, you know, that we already have, well, you know, they would never have said this or they would never have done that.

[SPEAKER_07]: I don't know why I sound like RFK Junior.

[SPEAKER_06]: They would never have said that.

[SPEAKER_03]: agreed.

[SPEAKER_07]: What about a conflict?

[SPEAKER_07]: What kind of conflict do you think would be good to study in the next Mass Effect series?

[SPEAKER_03]: To study in the next Mass Effect series or in this TV series, sorry.

[SPEAKER_07]: Right.

[SPEAKER_07]: Right.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_07]: This TV series.

[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_03]: So I think that it could still be somebody who's trying to help shepherd.

[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe there's another team out there.

[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe it's a service team trying to do research on the Reaper invasion that's coming.

[SPEAKER_03]: especially if we're setting this in mass effect one mass effect two times, you know, maybe it is servers, maybe it is somebody that is also trying to find the same information that shepherds looking for, but just not on the normandy, not on that, not in that setting, not on the ship.

[SPEAKER_03]: but somebody who's going towards the same information and obviously not getting there before shepherd, not getting their story heard because the council's not going to listen to some rando.

[SPEAKER_03]: You know, but we'll still be able to get the lore of Mass Effect and learning other things, new things, and still trying to figure out the information.

[SPEAKER_07]: So that sounds to me a lot like Paragon Loss, which was the anime movie about James Vega.

[SPEAKER_07]: And I actually, you know, I guess this was a hot take because a lot of people don't like that anime movie, but I loved it.

[SPEAKER_07]: And I thought that it was a great addition to kind of fill on the gaps of the lore from the games about like, like it was so good that I had wished that it was just kind of part of what we had learned about James and Mass Effect 3.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, something along those lines where we get additional supplemental lore that obviously isn't lore breaking, but something to give us even more in-depth and to make the games feel more immersive because we find out this other information.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_07]: How long do you think this series should be?

[SPEAKER_07]: Do you think it should be like a limited-time mini series or like a season after season kind of deal?

[SPEAKER_03]: I really think that that's going to be more about what story this is.

[SPEAKER_03]: You know, if it is just a little side mission and it's just these little characters who are having an insulated storyline, then that's great for many series.

[SPEAKER_03]: If they are going the shepherd route.

[SPEAKER_03]: and going through the events of the Mass Effect Games, we need it to be a lot longer.

[SPEAKER_03]: We need it to be a longer standing series because trying to get all the information and therefore the weight of that information, the emotional impact that we feel from making these decisions, you can't have that unless you're given the time to build that.

[SPEAKER_07]: I agree.

[SPEAKER_07]: I think the the the really critical factor here is going to be what the subject matter is.

[SPEAKER_07]: Right.

[SPEAKER_07]: If it's an original story, I would prefer that it's a limited time many series.

[SPEAKER_07]: because then they have a clear exit strategy and it doesn't become this long drawn out thing where like no one knows at a end it.

[SPEAKER_07]: You know what I mean?

[SPEAKER_07]: Which so happens so often with with different fiction.

[SPEAKER_07]: Anyway, I would love it if it was like an eight to ten episode mini series about an established period of time that we may have heard even just from like an elevator news story in Mass Effect One [SPEAKER_07]: Um, and I would love it if it was just like a mini series that had very specific focus didn't have like a huge big bad like the Reapers, right?

[SPEAKER_07]: Uh, but just had a very limited narrow focus on that so that they could develop those characters very well in that like you almost like a Star Wars Rogue One, but turned into a series.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I like that a lot because, you know, with Rogue One, we knew what the final outcome was going to be, but it was really more about the journey on how they got there and everything that was going on around that and building up new characters.

[SPEAKER_03]: I like that.

[SPEAKER_03]: And then who knows, maybe these characters can play into the next game.

[SPEAKER_07]: That would be cool, that would be really cool indeed, especially because there were companions shows like that for Dragon Age, right?

[SPEAKER_07]: Was it Dragon Age or Baldur's Gate that kind of profiled the different main characters of that one?

[SPEAKER_03]: Well, Dragon Age did it.

[SPEAKER_03]: They had an anime that came out, but none of those characters made it into Vail Guard, but they did a podcast, a audio drama that profiled all of the characters before the game came out and you could find out the backstory.

[SPEAKER_03]: And, of course, Dragon Age also has books and novels and comics as well that came out ahead of Vail Guard to build up the storyline.

[SPEAKER_07]: Nice.

[SPEAKER_07]: Awesome.

[SPEAKER_07]: All right.

[SPEAKER_07]: Last thing about what we would want from the next Mass Effect.

[SPEAKER_07]: Do you think if it's going to reference the games at all, should it try and incorporate player choice, maybe in some kind of like campy tacky way, like black mirror did with Bander Snatch?

[SPEAKER_03]: I think if they are going to do it, it has to be in there going to make these decisions for us.

[SPEAKER_03]: give the dilemma, give the make it feel like and I almost want it to be like you can see this shepherd character like looking back and forth and trying to make this decision in their mind of what they're going to choose no matter what you're going to pace off half the audience.

[SPEAKER_03]: you know, no matter what you do, some that half the people are going to be like, well, that's not the decision I made.

[SPEAKER_03]: So therefore, this TV shows, you know, it's, it's all bunch of lies, but if they go that route, make the decision feel important.

[SPEAKER_07]: That would be interesting if they had their protagonist really stuck in a hard, uh, rockin' a hard place, kind of decision, and they're looking back and forth, or maybe they're in the middle of talking with someone, and what would you do if you heard the sound effect from the interrupt come up, and it doesn't come up on screen, but you just hear the sound effect, which is like such a subtle nod to everyone who played the games that you'd be like, oh man, some shit's about to happen.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, no, I think that's the type that would make me happy for it to happen and if I'm going to see the decisions that are not my decisions, at least nod to the fact that you know that we know that this is not your choice.

[SPEAKER_03]: I love that idea.

[SPEAKER_03]: And they had sound effects and fallout, didn't they?

[SPEAKER_03]: That were taken directly from the game?

[SPEAKER_07]: Hmm, I don't know.

[SPEAKER_07]: I don't know if fallout that well to say one or either either.

[SPEAKER_03]: I feel like there is definitely Google sounds that were ripped audio files and other things.

[SPEAKER_03]: I know that cyberpunk did that with their anime, some of their files, some of the sound effects that they used on the Edroner's anime were ripped directly from the game.

[SPEAKER_07]: Oh, that's awesome.

[SPEAKER_07]: Oh, you know what?

[SPEAKER_07]: I forgot that if these casting calls are to be believed, then we can definitively say this is going to be live action, it's going to be a live action TV show.

[SPEAKER_07]: It's not going to be animated at all.

[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think that that's definitely true.

[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think that it would be an Amazon series if it was going to be anything but live action.

[SPEAKER_07]: Who knows?

[SPEAKER_07]: But with the mention of prosthetics, definitely live action.

[SPEAKER_07]: Which also leads me to [SPEAKER_07]: Wonder how much of it will be CGI versus like animatronics like Star Wars has kind of stuck to, you know, for that old campy feel.

[SPEAKER_07]: I think that's kind of like a Star Wars thing.

[SPEAKER_07]: I would not want them to go that route, I think.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, other than the guess, we don't have a lot of animatronics that would be necessary.

[SPEAKER_03]: But I don't think that you can do anything, but in Android animatronic for somebody like Legion.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, that's fair.

[SPEAKER_07]: That's fair.

[SPEAKER_07]: If it were too small, they're too smooth with CGI and look weird.

[SPEAKER_07]: But all right, that's all we got for this week.

[SPEAKER_07]: Thanks for joining us, Specters.

[SPEAKER_07]: We are trying to get back to a normal recording schedule for next week.

[SPEAKER_07]: And I promise you, we are still planning on bringing you the Paul Grace and Laura for those of you who are big fans of the novels and have been waiting for us to talk about Paul Grace and thank you for your patience.

[SPEAKER_03]: uh Genesis what do you got going on until next week yeah i've got two other podcasts that i host the two girls one ship podcast where we analyze right review all the the world the video game romances has to offer and these cyberpunk lore cast where we explore the foundations of the past the state of night city today and the news of the future for all things cyberpunk.

[SPEAKER_07]: right on.

[SPEAKER_07]: All right, and until next week, I don't really have anything going on.

[SPEAKER_07]: I definitely don't have any streams planned in the next near future because being a dad is rewarding, but it is kicking my butt as well as applying for jobs.

[SPEAKER_07]: I've liked surpassed 400 applications at this point.

[SPEAKER_07]: I'm pretty sure.

[SPEAKER_07]: This market sucks, and if you are also unemployed and trying to find a job and You can't don't feel bad about it because I'm there with you All right until next week'spectors we should go [SPEAKER_07]: Thanks for listening to the Mass Effect War text.

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