The unknown is calling welcome to night Dreams Forbidden Realms.

Well, here it is October third, and we're three days in the shutdown.

About the only thing I find good about the shutdown is traffic on the freeways and byways.

They are like half what they normally are because I guess a lot of government employees are not working, and my heart goes out to them because you know, how are you going to survive with no income coming in JC?

Think about that.

Yeah, that's a big deal, especially for a lot of people that, like you say, or government workers.

But here in the Midwest, the traffic has been the same.

Of course, you live in a much more trafficated area, so that you're seeing the difference where you're at.

I don't know, it's crazy.

I stay out of politics because you can't win, you know, Like I always said, this goes back and my regular listeners will know what I'm going to say.

But you know, we need ets to come down.

In fact, I hear there's a special species of ets that only eat brings the politicians.

So if they land in Washington.

D C.

Will know that the ets will be dead within three days, because, as you know, no politician that's to have a brain.

Yeah, they're going to be very malnutrition for sure.

We'll starve a death.

Yeah yeah, boy, that's trouble.

Well what can you say about our guest tonight.

Well, let me tell you.

I can say a whole lot.

This guy's resume is a mile long.

But anyway, Doctor John G.

Bilch, He's LTCUSA, retired, is a retired cognative scientist and former Darber program manager with a career spanning nuclear weapons delivery, special forces, and artificially intelligent robotics, along with a list so long that I'd be here forever.

The guy is very well rounded and has done a lot.

By guy, you can do my bio.

It's a half a paragraph.

Well, John, welcome to the show, my friend.

Howard you doing?

And I'm sorry I said that because you were going to take that cup of zip of that copy, weren't you.

It's no problem at all, it's for you.

I'm here in Vienna and just trying to come up with a nut synaptic activity to keep you guys engaged.

Well.

In other countries, how are they taking the UAPs?

Are they getting UAPs and trying to get disclosure or like people are trying here.

You know, that's a that's a great question, Gary, because I think there's a you know, depending on where you are, they're much more open to the to the concept.

They're not as vulnerable to this sort of oppressive media blanket that we have had in the US.

I know in South America is particularly open minded that way.

In certain other areas.

Pala Harris has made great inroads in Italy and throughout the Mediterranean as well.

But I'm not too too well versed in that right now because I'm actually still doing speaking engagements on robotics and artificial intelligence.

The Abduction Amnesty book has not hit the market yet, so I'm not I'm not doing much of a speaking engagement tour yet, but we'll see how if that changes once it drops in a couple of months.

Do you think we're ever going to get real disclosure, because you know, I said on the show so many times, John, if you really look at the government started coming out and giving us real disclosure about UFOs.

I hate the word UAPs, by the way, about UFOs flying this or my wife is mad at me flying saucers, by the way, If they came out and told us the truth, then people are going to wonder what else they have been holding back in lining to us about.

Yeah, that's always kind of the yin yang, the double edited sword of secrets, right, is if you admit to one, then they're going to start asking about others.

But you know, I've got to say this right off the bat, is Garius.

It's that there are things we do need to keep secret.

Right.

For example, I don't want to broadcast the combination to my gun safe to all my neighbors or my grandkids.

Right.

We don't want to advertise how to build a nuclear weapon on the internet.

Uh.

And if somebody does post that, then maybe somebody should take that down so.

They get it.

Who posts that up?

By the way, John ends up locked up?

You know that?

Uh?

Yeah, that that can happen if now you know, in order to lock somebody up for that, you have to prove that that was truly a secret and it wasn't just some cockamany you know design that somebody did with lego bricks, Right, I mean you've got to you gotta weigh that out.

But yeah, that's a valid point.

Oh yeah, are you kind of getting scared about a hi?

Uh?

I don't you know that the name of my website is fear Fighter, and the intent there is to fight fear with knowledge, knowledge about robotics so that we're not terrified of terminator and knowledge about you know, what I claim to be our galactic society, so that we're not terrified of a alien invasion.

And so do I have concerns about AI, oh, most definitely.

In fact, part of the reason for that, I think is that our news that we receive nowadays is curated down to the individual level, and so unfortunately a lot of the algorithms that social media and a lot of news networks use now machine learning algorithms.

They tend to increase the visitness.

They tend to amplify your preconceived notions so that you get more intense about what you believe, rather than spreading your knowledge to other areas like we used to do.

I remember growing up, you know, during the Vietnamese the Vietnam War and watching the McNeil lair report black and white TV, and everybody got that same boring, dry, you know, report on the day's activities and very key, very subtle, but very important aspect of that no commercials during that news hour, and so news was not for sale at that time, and everybody got pretty much the same thing.

We have now devolved in many ways to news for sale.

Yeah tell me about Yeah.

Well, that's the thing is whoever you're beholden to has leverage on you to spin a story in a particular direction, so you could have the same set of facts that is interpreted and marketed in two or three or ten different directions.

And I claim that is leading to a lot of this divisive rhetoric that we have today within not just the US, but across the globe.

Well, you're so right.

You know, like water Cronkite and a lot of those people, you know, they were correspondent in the fighting during World War Two on the battlefields and they would do their reports.

And then we had the Vietnam War, which I was involved in, and you know, again you had reporters who are out in the field and they gave back factual information.

But in the last ten years, I don't really trust what I hear on the news because you can go from one network to another network, to CNN or whatever and get different.

You know, the only ones that halfway trust is BBC.

Yeah, it's challenging.

And when I used to lecture my cadets back when I was a visiting professor at through Air Force Academy is to fight your confirmation bias, you actually have to push yourself to swim upstream and take and actively pursue alternative sources of information before you commit to any particular line of thought.

And that's very difficult to do nowadays, especially with some of the younger generation who have grown up in this curated news arena.

And so it's a really challenge, and it's really a challenge, and it takes a lot of extra energy, and that's part of the problem.

Is just an mit st body done on this where uh, there's sort of a lingering effect of using chat GPT.

I don't want to scare anybody away from chat GPT because it's got a lot of value.

However, what the study found was that there was sort of a lingering effect of you know, for lack of better term, laziness, that you're that the brains of the people that we're using chat GPT versus the other students that were not, their activation reduced, and it was it was it was reduced, you know, globally across all of the networks in the brain and and so that's kind of a good thing.

In some sets, you're not working as hard.

So that's kind of the object of a lot of technology is to conserve your resources to to to do other at tasks.

I'm obtaining.

But the downside is that just like physical exercise, you know, after you run for let's say you run for a half hour, the elevated metabolism effect on your body continues and you continue to burn fat after you stopped exercising.

And so that was in my mind, the most significant aspect of that study is that the i'll call it the mental metabolism, the residual activation of all that neuroonic the synaptic activity also fell off a lot quicker.

So there's a downside to accepting too much help, I guess.

I guess that's the bottom line.

Well, I want to say this before you move on to ets aliens, not the ones like my brother in law from a previous marriage, but I'm talking about from up above.

You know, one thing, when I went to school, we didn't have calculators.

We didn't even know what they were.

They didn't come out after I got out of high school.

And here's the thing, and then you have all the games and all this stuff that kids play, kids are getting dumber.

AI is going to cause, Yes, we're going to advance in a lot of ways, but I think it's going to make people dumber.

Have you ever been in a grocery store or a department store and the power goes out and the clerk can't make change because they don't know how.

Yes, I hear what you're saying, and I can I cannot agree with you more with this caveat that, just like any advances across the board, whether or not it was from stubby pencil to a slide rule, where you're doing nonlinear logarithmic sorts of calculations like I had to do, not just as a student at West Point, but also as and artilleryman afterwards, because a lot of those relationships are not linear.

So you've got that's why you need a logorithmic scale.

So it all boils down to the parents, the professors, the mentors, and their capacity to harness the technology without allowing you to get lazy and make it more challenging.

Now that you have this tool, more challenging, so that you keep building up that capacity.

So a shovel versus digging with your hands right.

That's you can still substitute and keep that brain very active.

You can keep that body very active despite having that new tool.

So I think that's kind of a leadership management challenge and a parental challenge.

You you said it right on.

Now the question I have for you, what got you into UAPs or UFOs?

I'm going to say UFOs, But what got you into it?

Well?

I grew up in the Boston Suburbs, a little town called Peabody, right next to Salem where the Salem Which Trials were, and my dad would always take us camping up in the White Mountains, the same area, some of the same exact areas.

We used to drive, the same exact route that Betty and Barney Hill were taking on.

I didn't know anything about it at that time, but he got very interested in it, and he had books hanging around the house.

But I will, I've got to say that before I started reading any of those books, I had some very terrifying dreams as a young kid that I thought all kids had.

I thought all these kids, I thought everybody saw, you know, this face with two big dark eyes outside their window.

But then you know, as I got a little bit older, through grade school, I started to realize, well, that's not necessarily true.

And did you ever tell you when you saw those big eyes looking out your window?

Probably like me, I went under my bed.

But if you saw that, did you go up to your parents and say, hey, something's looking at me, horrible looking, or did you hold that in.

As soon as so so, I've mentioned this before that it was terrifying to the point of paralysis.

And what I can't quite resolve yet is whether the paralysis came first or as a result of the terror.

But as soon as the paralysis wore off, as soon as they were no longer in my immediate vicinity, I screamed a holy hell to my parents and they would come running in out.

They would either come running into my bedroom or I would run into theirs.

And I spent many a night, you know, sleeping in their bed with this terrified dream lingering in my consciousness.

So yeah, it was problematic, and I, you know, they did the best they could to calm me down and assure me that there's no such thing as monsters, there's no such thing as big eyed spacemen.

And they just tried to calm me down.

And I believe that is the very basis for the government cover up that they have been trying to do that very same thing to us for eighty years.

But I think we are now.

Society is now very much like the renegade teenagers who are beyond eighteen years old, and we're not taking it anymore.

You can't tell me government that there's no such thing as monsters.

We see them all over the place.

Thanks to the Internet, we hear all of these testimas, and thanks to everybody having a cell phone, right, and so it's a lot more difficult to cover it up.

So you know, as an eighteen year old, you're able to wander the streets at night and take a look behind those bars downtown, right, so you see what goes on.

You see the evident that people do get beat up, and rapes do occur, and murders do occur.

And so I think that's where we are as a society right now.

That's scary, you know.

And again, you know, I've watched all the you know, hearings the circus put on which is Congress about it, and I sat back there and all my friends, Oh, we're gonna get all this nobody it's all hearsay my friend knows this, my friend, I want some real facts, and you know, it's time we get it now.

The other thing, a lot of shows out there, they're on a clickbait.

They want people to watch their show, so they lie literally, you know, like the Comet three.

I Atlas is a UFO alien craft.

I still am mixed on it because it is spewing nickel, it's doing some weird things.

But again it's not from our solar system, so I don't know what the makeup is wherever it came from.

But you know, the thing you go on TikTok and everybody's talking about it as a doomsday machine.

Now, yeah, and that's that's that's really problematic.

And I want to I want to address your point a little bit earlier about the scary part of it.

The way that I try to fight the fear is again with shared knowledge, shared information, and unfortunately the number of cases of healing that have occurred through these interactions has been I don't want to say that it's actively suppressed, but I don't think it has been disseminated nearly as much as the threat narrative.

And I've got to I've got to say that you know the compassion that I have from my brothers and sisters in the intelligence community for having to look at this pessimistically.

It is their job to be pessimistic.

That's what the intelligence community has to do.

As a commander, I had to evaluate intelligence and it was always quite negative and onerous, and I had to maintain a positive, optimistic perspective that we can get this mission done despite this threat.

And unfortunately, over the last eighty years, the intelligence community has dominated the narrative on this subject, and so the term threat has been a very has had a very commanding presence, and I want to push back against that with science and statistics.

Statistically speaking across the globe, and this is very general, but I still think it's accurate that ninety nine percent of violent crime across the glow throughout humanity is committed by only one percent of the population.

So unfortunately the media focuses on that one percent.

Right that the synagogue attacked us recently a couple of days ago in London, and we don't give enough attention to the ninety nine percent of really good people.

Yeah, but good people doesn't sell.

It doesn't sell if you're a newscaster or a network.

Well, not not yet, but maybe you can change that, Gary, maybe you and your show can change that.

Right, I've been trying since nineteen seventy.

I know you haven't, and you have made some good headway that way.

But there there are very positive interactions that have happened with these beings.

You know, my interactions, the two that I can't scientifically dismiss as dreams.

Those were terrifying at the time.

But if I had the knowledge then that I have now, I don't think I would be terrified.

I think I would understand a bit more about what's going on.

And I think, you know, one of the one of the to use current events with Jane Goodall's passing.

You know, she embedded herself with the primates that she was studying.

But there's a case to be made scientifically that that dilutes her findings that that from behavioral science standpoint, you you violate the the scientific credibility what you're doing, because if you want to study the behavior of any organism or any being, you can't get involved with them.

You have to be dispassionate.

And so this is the classic duck Line case where if you're watching elephants, you don't want them to know that you're there, so you cover yourselves and you're in urine.

I mean, you try to suppress your olfactory, your scent, everything about it because you want to study them the way they interact with each other without being aware of you.

So she kind of violated some of that.

But I would rather have somebody violate it on the positive side and be friendly then be negative.

Unfortunately, a veterinarian.

You know, when they when they had to examine my labador retriever to see where his ligaments were torn.

I mean dogs tear acls, just like professional football players, and so they had to move his leg hold him down, and it was terrifying.

You could see his eyes get large and it just I'm getting goosebumps because it was it was a very emotional thing to see that.

And they eventually had to take me out of that room, right because I would have intervened.

So I wonder out loud with you and your listeners if that same type of thing is happening with experiencers and abductees, I think it.

Is, well, you know what's really bad If a person's been abducted, Yeah, you can call move on.

But the response you get from move on in saying hey, I was abducted.

They don't look at that really serious, like compared to like reporting a UFO encounter and what's bad.

And I've heard this from so many people for so many years, John, There's no real place a person can call and say, hey, I've been abducted multiple times.

They're single times.

They did this.

This this to me.

I'm terrified.

I go to bed now and I got a I got a cold, you know, three eighty on my dresser right next to the bed, just in case they come.

I mean, I've heard this from people.

They're scared to go a bed at night, male and female.

Yeah, it's that's a very common aspect.

Terry Lovelace and I both commiserated about hiding weapons under our pillows.

He he does borrowed his dad's pistol when he was a kid.

I did a very similar thing.

I think I had a knife.

You know, mine was silly.

It was a little boy scout KNIFELD probably would have closed on my finger and cut my own finger off if I try to use it, but at least it was something right.

For the tool discussion, he had a little.

Bit of well for security for you.

Yeah, yeah, absolutely, but again it will go ahead.

Well, I was gonna say, Terry Lovelace the last time I talked to him, He's been on my show a few times through the years.

He still has a gun next to his bed because he's terrified, because he's still getting encounters.

At least he was.

Yeah, yeah, and I can't blame him.

But with regards to who you can approach to tell your story, I think it's I think it's kind of a it's kind of like going to the doctor, right, It's it's kind of a Russian roulette.

You get some with good bedside manners, others without, but all medical personnel, you know, or at least on Jesus, I understand it take a note of hypocratic oath to do no harm.

But even so, you can do no physical harm and abide by that in a physical sense, but still do psychological harm by telling somebody right at the back, I don't believe you, and so that's problematic.

But again, to put a very optimistic viewpoint on this, there are some wonderful people that you can reach out to.

Kathy Martin, who used to run the move on Ert Experience a research team, Yvonne Smith, both of whom are certified hypnotherapists, and they're both very very compassionate, just like Leo Sprinkle was, just like John Mack was.

I don't think Leo is practicing anymore.

And of course John Mack passed away I think in a four But there are some islands in the them out there, and you just got to find them.

And it's and it's it's a challenge right now, and I think there's folks working on that to try to build that reservoir backup of professional folks, and there's there's there's always a yin yang to that, because if you want to collect data, collect scientific data, you might have to approach the client differently than a patient.

So one of the things that made John Mack different was that he was an MD psychiatrist, whereas Leo Swinkle was a PhD counseling psychologist and so, but both of those guys were very compassionate.

But what Mac had that oath and he had his priority was to heal first, gather data second, whereas I think move on that the basis for its its existence is to gather data first, and unfortunately that can have that that negative effect, and so it's a it's a difficult thing.

I don't want to let anybody out the hook, but I'm just trying to, you know, put myself in their shoes as to how that that proceeds.

And there's this is a particularly difficult thing for law enforcement, right because if they got called to a scene where somebody who's reporting a light in the sky, you know, they tend they have to be somewhat skeptical with everybody that pull over, right, whether it's a broken tail light or they were they were speeding.

I've got more than my fair share of speed and tickets for sure, And so you know, with all of that experience, all the people they've pulled over, the vast majority of people are going to try to come up with some story to get out of a ticket, and so you know that unfortunately biases them towards not believing the story, and it's it gets to be problematic.

So my heart goes out to law enforcement in particular with how they deal with these things.

And I'm working with some of those folks who are trying to change that world and deal with the stigma.

Well, we need a change it because let's say you're out on a Friday Saturday night and you see a light in the sky which isn't a helicopter or a plane, and you are pretty sure it's one of those things, right, and you call law enforcement.

You know you're gonna be getting out of your car, you're gonna be walking, You're gonna say a whole bunch of words.

You're gonna see if you can touch your nose.

The first thing, they're gonna think you've been drinking or on drugs.

That's the whole thing.

They're not gonna take it seriously to after they do all that, and that's scary.

Now, my question to you, John, when you were in the military, did you ever come or see anything in like a crap.

Yes.

But before I get to that, I want to bring up I'm going to make one point about what you said with law enforcement and calling nine one one.

They are aware that at the SEU conference in Huntsville just a few months ago, we had quite a bit of discussion about how to prepare law enforcement to deal with this.

Doctor Keith Taylor up in the New Jersey, New York area is doing wonderful work on this and they're trying to figure out how to desensitize law enforcement to these sorts of events.

One thing that I would love to see is when I was in the military, we used to play poker with Soviet Union identification cards, so we would have, you know, different aircraft, a MiG, a bearcap bomber, and we would see those descriptions time and time again or T seventy two tanks or BRD apps or whatever, and so over time you get used to seeing that image.

And so now fast forward to where we are today.

I would love to set up a deck of playing cards that had all the species that have been reported.

I think Richard Dolan did a great job of categorizing many of those.

I think he had thirty of them or something in his book Alien Agendas, And I've talked about that many times.

So if you can put those in front of firefighters and cops so that they roll in on the scene, especially if they see one of these entities, then you get rid of the stigma and the shock, and then they start to be more compassionate with the folks that have called them.

So that's one approach to it.

But to answer your question about during my time in the military, one of my two what I call you know, sort of irrefutable events.

Was while I was in the military, on active duty, but I was in graduate school, so I wasn't wearing a uniform.

I was just going to school like everybody else.

And that's when my now infamous bike ride that now has resulted in a lot of folks referring to me as the crazy curl crazy colonel Mantis guy.

That's when that that did take place while I was on active duty.

Yes, okay, what did that creature to look like?

That alien?

Can you describe it fully to the listeners?

Uh?

Well, when when I originally had the bike ride experience, I could not consciously recall that face.

I had this fuzzy memory that is now referred to many times in the abduction literature as a screen memory.

It was.

My recollection was that it was a fuel truck and there was somebody in the cab of the fuel truck with a red plaid shirt.

That was my conscious memory.

And that's that's the way I had left that story, and I still will leave it there in my first book, however, under forensic Oh and then and then I had a dream that I thought was on a different night where this seven foot ish very tall bug looking entity, a mantis looking entity that came in through my what I thought it came in through my off of my deck which is three stories high, and kind of walked right through a screen door and it was standing over me.

And that's when I had the rest of that experience on that being it was definitely not human.

It had mandibles that were covered initially but then spread are out and with a very telepathic, intense telepathic messaging paradigm he was got.

I definitely got the sense that it was a male presence.

He was trying to convince me that my body wasn't important that you know your soul, what resides inside your body is they is something they can't get to even if they wanted to hurt, even that they wanted to damage you, and they can certainly cause plenty of pain.

And so that's when his animals opened up, and then he started kind of ripping chunks for me and was trying to prove his point at see, you know we could, we could rip you the shreds if we want, but you can still hear me right, your soul is still receiving what I'm telling you, And so, uh, I didn't feel any pain I could.

I kind of felt, you know, tugs on my cheeks, my shoulders as it was pulling flesh off, But that was that was just a memory construct to drive home that point that you humans are all worried about your bodies, and that's not the important thing.

It's it's the soul that is learning from what your body goes through through each lifetime.

And so it was a very fascinating lesson that eventually had tremendous positive results, right waking me up to this consciousness thing, but it was terrifying at the time.

So so that's why I felt like my laboratory retriever on that veterinarian's table, that that they were they were stretching his leg and pulling them and causing pain.

Wow, But it was necessary to heal in the long term or to benefit in the long term.

How about these ets?

People claim that, you know, you take people aboard the craft like Terry Lovelace, an experiment on them, And like Terry Lovelace, his story is when he was taken aboard that craft, he saw people in tubes in liquid and then he heard seeing naked people screaming, and when him and his friend somehow were released.

Nobody else was released.

The craft took off with a whole bunch of people.

That is the scary part.

What are they doing to people?

Yeah, that is again it's terrifying until you embrace the rest of the literature and recognize how common that is.

The Part of the terrifying aspect of it is you know they're in tubes and they get taken away.

Well, we have test two babies all over this planet.

I don't know if we're actively cloning humans, but that's what the literature supports.

Is this notion that there is a cloning process that is underway, and that that is the agenda for one of many of these species.

And is it morally justified.

I don't know.

If your entire species is about to die off and you need containers for souls, maybe you could justify that, Maybe you could rationalize that behavior.

I don't know.

It just seems like, well, all I can say is that's what the literature supports, is that notion that that may be happening.

But I will say this again with an eye towards maintaining an optimistic, positive, fear fighting perspective.

They bring us back, and they do tend to remove the traumatic aspects of our memory, and I think that's a sign of compassion.

I've said this many times that if I could have removed my laborator retriever's memory of that very painful operation that he had to go through to fix his leg, I would do it on arpy And so that I consider that to be a sign of compassion.

And maybe there's a scientific, you know, value to that, so that it's not entirely altruistic if you're going to take a test subject or do behavioral assessments on a longitude no basis throughout an animal's life lifetime, Like you take a polar bear cub when they're two months old and then take them again year after year after year to see the growth and see the build up of pollution or radiation in their body and how it affects them and how it affects their reproductive cycle.

It makes sense if you're going to take them time and time again to remove the memory so that they're not terrified each time.

So I get that, but I still consider it to be more of a compassionate than an evil sort of behavior pattern.

Very interesting.

We need to take a break.

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Anyway, we're back with John.

You know again, do you think we have ets walking among us?

Could be maybe somebody's husband or wife, or somebody in the shopping you know, arena.

I've certainly read many accounts of that sort of activity.

I can't scientifically present any substantial evidence to that, but I will say that the logic of it makes sense.

That you know, if you look at this sort of galactic duck blind approach where you want to study the behavior of a society or individual organisms, that it makes sense that you would dress like them, walk like them, talk like them, and sort of blend in in order to sort of study, especially as we get further and further into this consciousness realm with telepathy, tapes and a lot of that activity.

So it makes sense.

I will say that, you know, as a former Special Forces officer, we did that.

We were language trained, culturally changed, culturally trained, and we would you know, alter our appearance to blend in in order to study the society that we were trying to help, and that the society that we were trying to help was to rise up or trying to inspire them to rise up againgainst a tyrannical regime, so that democracy would spread throughout the former you know, Soviet Union, Warsaw Pact, whatever, to the benefit of every So you know, our motto was a depresso liber which is to free the oppressed, and so we would do that.

And so it makes all the sense in the world to me that they would do that.

And have been many Star Trek episodes in which, you know, the crew of the US Enterprise disguised themselves and did very similar types of things.

So the logic of it makes sense.

But I don't have any direct personal evidence that I can weigh in the.

Okay, John, let's take a calling.

Okay, who do we have out there?

Hi, this is Voluntar.

How far How are you doing?

I'm doing all right?

How are you doing good?

What's your question?

Well?

I don't really have any questions, because you're doing a good job of interviewing him.

But I wanted to thank him for coming on and sharing his story and his views, and it takes a lot of cajonies to, you know, share your story like that.

I wanted to commend you.

Well, thank you Bart.

Okay, we got another Well we did have another one.

You know again too, you know you do have?

Do you know where it depends?

Do you when you start talking about this, are you worried about anybody you know knocking on your door and saying, don't talk about this stuff, don't write a book about it.

Well, at first I want to.

I want to thank the caller for for those kind words.

I'm just going to point out that I stand on the shoulders of many, many folks who have sacrificed way more than I have.

When you look throughout past the year, from you know, Major Donald Keijo, all the way after lou Alesando and Dave Grush and all the folks that have testified Jake Barbara.

I mean, these folks have had direct, very credible death threats levied against them.

And I believe, I don't have knowledge, but I believe that some folks have lost their lives and come forward and lost their lives in trying to bring this awareness to the world.

And so those are the true heroes out there.

The only thing that I have suffered, if you will, is a loss of consulting clients and so forth.

And I recognize the risk on that going into this, but this is too important not to risk that, So thank you for that.

Okay, we got another color.

Who do we have?

This is Tom?

Okay, boy, my lines are just going crazy here.

Go ahead and ask your question Tom to wear a guests.

Yeah, one of the.

One of the things that your guest talked about earlier in the show was the need for law enforcement to have sensitivity when someone who has been an experience or be it a UFO or a cryptid or whatever, to listen, try to listen with an open mind to what these people.

Oh we just lost all Yeah, go ahead, some music just cut in.

One of the things that I was very aware of I did twenty three years in law enforcement is the fact that most of the police officers that I knew, not all, but most of them were in parises and they believed in p those things that you could see here, touch, taste, etc.

And I had two friends of mine that were part of the Navajo National Police Force that patrolled an area of for States that was part of the Navajo Reservation.

And one of the things that they would do, fortunately when they had trainees, what they would tell them, You know, when someone talks to you about a cryptid in their backyard, when somebody talks to you about a UFO a landing in the back of their property, just don't sluck that off, because they would remind them of their own heritage, the fact that skin walker, shape shifters, et cetera are all part of the Navajo tradition, and that sensitivity toward things like UFO encryptids needs to be there because this is a huge universe with the plethora of possibilities, and if you're reacting as a law enforcement officer to someone who was generally traumatized, you need to listen to what they're saying.

Good, good thing here.

We got to take another call here, and let's do that.

That'll be the last call for the EB.

Let's see, do you want me to do you want me to respond to that area?

Or yeah, go ahead and then we'll take this other color.

Yeah.

Well, first of all, I want to thank you for the question, very insightful.

I did have the pleasure of meeting several reservation law enforcement folks from the Navajo Nation when I went through my move on boot Camp Investigative boot camp years ago, and I was very very impressed with their their perspective and what's really important about it is that a lot of the most intensive activity interactions do occur in remote areas, and again the scientific logic, the logic of that makes sense.

Do you really want to PLoP down in the middle of a concentration of angry monkeys to use Gary Nolan's term when I love that term, or do you want to go to an isolated, more remote area and expose yourself and interact one on one there.

So the reservation environment is really conducive to that sort of thing, especially if there's a lower level of fear.

If it's part of your culture to welcome the star people, it makes sense that there's going to be that sort of interaction in those areas.

So I look forward to that cultural awareness spreading beyond the Navajo Nation to other cultures around the glow.

Great caller, who do we have?

He got art here?

High art?

Hi?

Hi Hi?

I'll try to keep a question, but there's a lot of how do you say, a lot of detail, but just to say that my run in with myself and having somebody show me in another person being there seeing what they had videotaped or took pictures.

The one that I've seen in my complex where I live was this woman that had taken in the selfies of her as she's facing two mirrors in these complex that we have these apartments, and then she calls and she says, come on over.

She goes, what are you see in there?

And in her closet it was like a velociraptor a head, and then the second picture was a velociraptor sticking its head around the corner.

But then these are off of the picture.

You can't see them physically.

That is one one.

I met a repillion hybrid at a meeting at the MUFON meeting and we were talking.

Person came up when we both ended up talking with her a lot of details of what happened.

But being that the second one, the third one was a person I met at at the hospital.

When I was in there, he was showing me a video of two aliens looking into his window in the in their craft, and I mean, this is beyond Steven Silberg's abilities, and I'm just looking at it, and it was just looking at these big green almond shaped heads that their chin came down to like their solar collects.

They had boxy shoulders and thin arms.

They were standing side by side and inside the craft was all white.

It's really weird.

You couldn't see no equipment.

That They're right in front of his win his window, of his front room window, and he's about twenty five feet away.

And now as he's videotaping and I'm looking at it, I noticed that their bodies had like little scales like a lizard, the bottom of the lizard, you get it, shiny little but it was like lime green.

But their heads were green, almond and large.

So I wanted to put this, Are they high breading aliens?

Also?

Is besides human beings?

And my last one would be I saw a cigar shape.

Somebody said repillions are are patrolling those?

Are I mean flying those things?

Is that that'd be true?

And you know, and the other ships that are different shapes, are they going to be?

Does anybody know about what kind of species flies each ship?

That'll be it?

Thank you, Thank you, Gary, and well thank you for coming me.

Okay, okay, Joe.

So so that he was asking you because I can't answer, though.

Well so so again, Science to the rescue.

In my personal opinion, I don't have any direct evidence of either of those.

I don't you know, maybe if some of these crash retrieval folks come forward and they talk about what what sort of non human entities they you know, pulled out of the wreckage or whatever.

Maybe there could be some evidence on that.

So I don't have anything direct to contribute from that perspective.

That being said, just from a logic basis, I do want to point out that, you know, insects evolved long ago on this planet, and then reptiles evolved after them.

And so when you look at the archaeological record or the geological record, I think insects appeared about five hundred million years ago and reptiles maybe three hundred million years ago.

And then when you look at mammals, we're only at or humans Homo sapien sapiens, we're only at fifty years ago.

And so to let that sink in a little bit, the notion that an insectoid race could have evolved to the point of maybe developing, you know, space travel and leaving the planet and coming back, I don't find that to be particularly ridiculous at all, especially when you look at that time scale five hundred million years versus fifty thousand years, and then you know reptiles on a similar basis so a lot of the literature claims that, you know, these mantis beings are at the highest level of spiritual development and technological development, and then reptilians and so forth, and there are very scary.

They look scary, but I'm I have been able to resolve my own fear through that perspective, especially from my experience, so I don't I don't have a lot of fear of them anymore.

And it's and it's kind of an interesting, uh optimism that I embrace the world now, you know, when I look at at insects and reptiles that still reside here, it makes it makes a lot of sense to me that if they did evolve, that they would come back and and interact with us like the duck blinde, but they would do it in a way that minimizes the fear factor.

And so some of that is with with memory manipulation, or you know, being very gradual in the way that they they present themselves.

John, or they could be just waiting for the end of the human civilization to come and repopulate the earth with their race, and that would reboot the earth.

And I believe the Earth has been rebooted several times.

Well, there is scientific evidence of that when you look at vitrification of rock, when you look at residual radiation layers within the geological record, there is a case to be made that nuclear annihilation could quite possibly have occurred in our past on multiple occasions when you look at the layers.

So that's certainly a possibility.

But again, I don't embrace this hostile takeover assessed.

I tend to feel more like we're respected as an upcomer, maybe a potential species to be invited into the Galactic Federation and I'll forget you join starfleet or what.

But that's the perspective I have from my experiences and from the literature that I've been able to read.

Some of it is absolutely terrifying, but the vast majority is hopeful and positive in nature.

Well again too, let's face and I've said this one hundred times through the years.

On the show, they didn't grow up watching Fathers Knows Best, Donna Reed Show, or my favorite, Leave It to Beaver, So you know they don't have the up Well, we don't have it nowadays, but when we were young, that's what we grew up with, and we had morals more than we do in today's society because that's how it was.

But to them, whatever their civilization is, they maybe didn't have leave it to beaver.

So when they come here and ubduct somebody, they don't know they're doing wrong by doing it.

They just think, hey, you know, we're going to find out about how they function, how they think, and not really look at well, this is wrong because if I did it and was driving in my car and pulled somebody in it and took them the warehouse and say, hey, I wonder how what their heart looks like.

You know, I'm going to go to prisons for the rest of my life, or I might get that chair.

It warms you up all over and gives you that funny feeling.

But here's the thing.

We don't know how they were brought up.

We don't know what their thoughts are, and that we have to keep in mind.

I don't think they're here to take us out.

But then again, look at Cana and A in our Bible.

If you go back to it, what did they do?

We have been at war and killing each other ever since man they has walked this earth, and we don't know what ets have.

Maybe they're more advanced in us but maybe maybe there's another group of ets we haven't encountered yet that could have that warrior.

So that's what we need to know, and we're not getting that from disclosure.

We're getting a circus.

And I tell you, I got fat watching that be drinking all that pop and eating all that popcorn, watching the Congress with their circus.

Yeah, I you know, lots to unpacked there.

But I vigorously agree with you that this oppression of the information is problematic.

The other aspect of it is is that you know, this spun up post World War two and actually pre World War two when you look at some of the crash retrievals from Italy that the grescia's talked about and others.

But the challenge is the intelligence community has been in charge of it, and as I mentioned earlier, they have to be inherently pessimistic because they're trying to defend us, right, and so's it's natural for there to be a pessimistic viewpoint with the way that the story has been told.

But I want to push back against that with a much more optimistic perspective and fight that fear with knowledge and statistics.

Again, the most profound statistic is ninety nine percent of crime committed by one percent of the population.

So to extrapolate that into a galaxy teeming with life, nine percent of those civilizations plural are not committing violent crime.

They may study us like biologists like Jane Goodall, like we did where we took polar bears and abducted them and grabbed them and brought them on a ship with our UFO, a helicopter with a tranquilizer dart, and then we would scoop tissue and fat samples.

And we're doing it just to study how badly this nuclear testing is poisoning our planet.

And you need to look at how it bio concentrates through a species.

So the poor polar bear, yeah, they're traumatized.

We don't have the technology, at least that I'm aware of, to remove or cloud or obfuscate their memories before we put them back on the iceberg.

But if we do developed that, we should be using that.

And there's this maybe an opportunity for we as a species to sort of educate the abductors, kind of like a dolphin caught in the tuna net, right that if the dolphin could communicate to the fishermen, right Hey, look, we're sentient.

Quit freaking grabbing us.

Leave us out of this freaking fishing, right, And so it's kind of an interesting paradigm that's that kind of stretches the mind a bit.

Well, the more we don't get information, you know.

Again, even some of the people that I'm not going to mention names, they say enough to scare the population.

And that's what's going on.

And then you got some people that make these claims that and I'm talking well known people, and none of their claims come true.

And that's the problem, and it's right now.

I think it's the reason why it's going crazy right now is we got you know, what's going on with our government and all this other stuff's going on.

But it's caused you know, I don't know, it's gotten crazy.

All I can say is in the last year I've seen ufology just go so crazy that you can't believe anything you really hear on any podcast, any radio show, or on anything anymore, because it's all about trying to make money off of it.

And that's changing the whole point that I've been trying to do since nineteen seventy.

What you're trying to do, we're trying to prove that we are being visited and we want answers, we want the truth.

We don't need to be jibed.

Well, So, again with an air of optimism, though, Gary, I've got to point out that you know, we now have had four very prominent congressional testimonies recorded in public for not just the US but the world to see, and so there is progress being made.

When you have Mike Gold from NASA, on Admill Galadet from not only the Navy, but Noah and all of these whistleblowers who are very selfless and risk accepting on behalf of humanity, there is reason to take heart that it's that it's changing.

I do vigorously agree with you that there are those within euphology who are trying to monetize this and as you pointed out, fear cells.

However, we do have these congressional testimonies that are that are very important because you know, you're on the record swearing an oath and you can be thrown in jail for perjury.

You can't be thrown in jail for posting something on YouTube that's your opinion and selling that right.

But when you raise that hand and you testify under oath to Congress.

That's that's a level of credibility that's much higher on the scale.

And then when you have you know, heroic scientists like Gary Nolan, who arguably you know, put his Nobel Prize at risk by coming forward with this.

Again, heroic folks who are carrying this forward and the scientific analysis of this.

I know it's not making progress as fast as we wanted to, but it is continuing on and I think I do not think we're going to be able we I don't think whoever's behind the cover up is going to be able to get teeing you to keep the lid on this any longer.

Again, I agree with you.

We wanted to accelerate.

It's not going as fast as as we might want, but there is significant progress being made.

That's my personal opinion.

We just need the truth.

Now you have a book out and another book is coming out.

Why you tell the audience about that and where they can find him?

Sure?

Well that be website that George Verrangos set up for me, who's a wonderful editor and just a wizard in this realm.

And he I was referred to him by Terry Lovelace he handled Terry Lovelace's books and he's just tremendous.

He has set up a website for me called Fearfighter dot org rg and that has both books, both my robotics book, the Killer Rescue Robot Not, which is all about trying to tamp down the fear of Terminator, if you will.

Again, the best way to fight fear, in my opinion, is not to ignore it and not to wrap yourself in a warm cocoon of ignorance.

It's to go the opposite.

It's to choke it out like an MMA fighter.

But you choke it out with knowledge and science, not with rumor and obfuscation.

And so I'm trying to do that in the AI robotics world as well as the abduction world.

So both of those books are on there.

The first is A Killer Rescue Robot Not that dropped on nine to eleven or pre orders, and the full orders will be released on eleven October, you know, one month month afterwards.

And then the Abduction Amnesty Not, which is the case for forgiveness in the disclosure age.

That should drop in a couple of months and that will tell a little bit more detail of my story.

And this I present the hypothesis that we are literally on the verge of being welcomed into a galaxis, a galactic society, but in order to qualify for that citizenship, we get to prove that we're not going to wik everybody with advanced technology like nuclear weapons.

So yeah, I'm more that mind is worried that we're on the point of maybe a nuclear war coming up in the future.

And that's the scary part.

You know.

You know, technology is great, technology is also bad, and you know it's all controlled by humans.

I think even you know, you go back to a movie called War Games, you remember that back in the.

Same I remember it, well, yes, yeah.

That could happen some way in form.

That's what I'm scared about, because, like I said at the beginning of the show, they are alarmed that AI is actually learning on its own and that is aute.

Yeah.

Absolutely.

However, again, to fight the fear with science and knowledge.

There is a concerted effort within the computer science realm to to try to deal with that from a not just a regulatory basis, but an uprising within the programming realm to to you know, impose limits on that, but also to fight AI with good AI, and there's a lot to do in that realm, and we don't want to throw out the baby with the bathwater.

There's AI is saving lives on a daily basis.

That is taching lives too.

Like I told you that doctors and hospitals rely on AI for when they call up or do you know, contact the insurance companies for a person's operation or treatment and stuff, and it makes the determination, well, the patient's seventy eight years old, No, we won't approve that, not even controlled by a human thought.

It is done by the computer.

And I mean and then by the time they get it to a this is what the doctor told me, by the time they get it to a real life person to you know, talk it over, the patient's dead.

I mean, this is scary.

So AI has its bad point parts to it too.

I could not agree with you more.

But again, I want to use this ninety nine to one statistic.

Right, the stuff that you hear about is typically that one percent of the fear and because that sells, and we need to keep our focus on the ninety nine percent of the positive aspect of it that continues to proceed.

So you know, there's a there's a kind of a jocular saying we have in the special forces community.

Look, brothers, none of us is getting out of us alive, right, We're all going to die.

And so it's kind of a negotiation of what that passing looks like.

So again I'm gont to emphasize the optimistic side of this going forward.

That that again, that doesn't mean we should ignore the fear.

We need to attack it, but we need to attack it with knowledge and expand our understanding rather than just cowering and feeling the fear inside.

So well put, Hey John, I want to thank you so much.

It's late.

Where are you at right now?

Where are you at?

I am in Vienna, Austria, preparing to give a talk on this very subject, robotics for telep presence in robot assistant rescue on Mars or another heavenly body.

So I'm really excited about that because there's a lot of potential for it.

Great, Hey, John, you have what well?

I guess it's coming up to time to have breakfast, isn't it.

Yes, sir, I think I may head down and grab some eggs here soon and get back to the keyboard and start cranking on this presentation.

But John, you have a good one, and thank you so much for coming on.

Thank you, sir, it has been an honor and a privilege, and thank you for all you're doing to propagate the disclosure effort and keep fighting with that optimism and knowledge.

Okay, did you bring to the table.

Thank you, Johan, Yes, sir, Well, hey JC, A couple of questions for you.

My friend.

Who's our guest next week?

Well, starting off next Thursday the night, we have mister Paul V.

Shitt coming on and he's going to be talking about the UFO paradox and everything that goes with it, so that's going to be interesting.

And then followed up Friday the tenth with mister Dick Algeier coming back on.

He's remote viewer.

He's gonna he's remote viewed the three I Atles Common and a bunch of other fascinating things that are relevant in current events.

So that's gonna be a good show.

And who else do we have coming up?

Anybody famous?

Well, on the sixteenth, we've got Michael Bautista coming on.

He's part of the military ex military.

He summons the UFOs with SkyWatch.

That's going to be interesting.

And then we have doctor Charles Morgan coming on talking about some ps or PTSD situations, and then yes coming let's see what we got.

The twenty third we got John Wigant coming on.

He was part of a team military team that came up upon a UFO that crashed back in the nineties, kind of a well known crash ninety seven matter of fact when that happened.

And the twenty fourth we have mister Timothy Phillips coming on.

He's former director of the Aro on UFOs, very well known.

He's very well known.

And then on the thirtieth we have Joe Clifford coming on talking about shadow people.

And then on Halloween we have mister Thomas Jane the actor coming back on talking about what's going on with him in acting and UFOs.

He's a little bit he's into the UFOs.

Followed up finally with mister Ron Fitzgerald talking about scary vampire stories on Halloween.

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I guess that's one way looking at it.

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Yes, yeah, well you know what.

I was shocked at our grocery bill today.

Oh was being shocked more if you have to pay it?

Well, yeah, had to pay it, but I tell you what for the amount of money it costs, and how many little bags they were.

You know what they'd done at the grocery store, the one it starts with a k all across the country.

They make their bag smaller now so you you look like you got more groceries and you keet it up.

It's the old optical illusion.

Is kind of like when you go to that one coffee shop and you get a large, medium, and small roll of s.

That's not even that that other drive through restaurant.

It sells billions of hamburgers.

I did that experiment between their medium and large.

Now there's bigger large, that's different.

But you know again they all do that.

They tapered such a way that you're paying more money and you're not getting anything other than that.

That's crazy.

No, And like last week, I did the mathematic because you know, I'm in the numbers and it's like it doesn't compute malayhammers.

They said there's not enough cows.

I'll say this.

You know I'm not I'm not put political, but there's seventeen trillion dollars missing from tariffs supposedly that we got in this country, and nobody can find it, including the Treasury Department.

I guess that's magic.

Huh.

That amount of money takes up some space even on a computer, if I mean, come on, that's that's a lot.

Yeah, that's more than combined two years of this country.

That's incredible.

Yeah, Well, that's that's politics.

That's why I stay out of it.

Everybody.

I want to thank you for tuning in tonight, you know, with art and medaitron power like Tom and Ernie and who's some of the other people out there.

Bob soprano Fan eleven, Ernie Fox.

Let's see who also got X question Mark June Gypsy.

Of course Tom was on there too and Art.

Those are the ones I see on There's a lot listening, but a lot of more in chat so you don't see their name.

So those are the ones I see and in December two don't get you heard.

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