[SPEAKER_01]: Let's hear it for the boys because they aren't back on prime video.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a boy.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm Alex.

[SPEAKER_01]: I too am a boy.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm Justin.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm Pete Indeterminate gender, but we'll find out later.

[SPEAKER_00]: And as we know, that's behind me.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's a way we are.

[SPEAKER_01]: Don't put him in a box.

[SPEAKER_01]: And we're going to be talking about season two episode two of Gen the Justice never forgets if you haven't watched it.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm prime video.

[SPEAKER_01]: Please do go check it out.

[SPEAKER_01]: But broad spoilers here.

[SPEAKER_01]: Bit of recap.

[SPEAKER_01]: Lots of stuff going down this episode.

[SPEAKER_01]: We kick off with Marie trying to work her way back into good talk and thanks to TikTok or Instagram reels.

[SPEAKER_01]: Honestly, I don't know which I'm not good at identifying social media networks.

[SPEAKER_01]: But she got blindness, like a bird blindness for it.

[SPEAKER_01]: I do, you can't, I can't see them as that what you're doing, Pete.

[SPEAKER_01]: Wrong show.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's peacemaker.

[SPEAKER_01]: That guy is on peacemaker.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think I also can't see him.

[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, she does get back.

[SPEAKER_01]: We meet a lot more folks at Gatalkin, including Modesty, Mudder, who started the Trad Seep movement.

[SPEAKER_01]: We also later meet the rememberer, who remembers everything.

[SPEAKER_01]: He runs the library and polarity and MR are [SPEAKER_01]: to find out more about what is going on with Cypher, what's going on in Goodalkin.

[SPEAKER_01]: We've got to see a little bit of the deep doing some pledging and Kate wakes up, but it all seemed pretty scary at the end.

[SPEAKER_01]: Cypher comes in.

[SPEAKER_00]: Wake up in a mood.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, we've already, yeah, it's rough when you come out of the pond.

[SPEAKER_01]: Don't wake me up from a coma until I've had my morning coffee.

[SPEAKER_01]: I always say Anyway, there's a lot of other stuff going on a lot of other cameos.

[SPEAKER_01]: We got a little bit of firecracker in there We find out more about Andre's death and then the big thing is very quickly Which was I was surprised about we find out what a desa is and a desa who is Marie There you go, I'll show you a list, you know, yeah case clothes also the dad's back [SPEAKER_02]: Clare already.

[SPEAKER_02]: No, okay.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, Polaroid.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's not doing very well, but he has a mission to I assume basically like get revenge for Andre.

[SPEAKER_01]: What you guys think about this now that we're two episodes in How you feel about the season still good?

[SPEAKER_00]: Great, like I love this show, like not having it and then having it, I really remind it just how much more is happening in this show than so many other shows that we watch.

[SPEAKER_00]: There's just the layers like the modesty seen just layering this political commentary with social media commentary.

[SPEAKER_00]: I take on ballerina farm, I think, if anyone knows what that is, I don't know what that is, please.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's where they farm out ballerinas.

[SPEAKER_02]: But Valorators are grown, they're molded, they're made, I believe that's called the red room.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's what it's called.

[SPEAKER_00]: The ledger is red.

[SPEAKER_00]: They know Valorator Farm's social media account with this woman who has like a rich husband and then a bunch of kids and it's very like, trad wife.

[SPEAKER_00]: Not as political as it is in this but like just was continually having kids and all that so like I don't that's what I was reminded of watching that, but those things we do with ballerinas or farms though It's my problem with that she's a former ballerina.

[SPEAKER_02]: She lives in all of the former Barrier buried the lead bro.

[SPEAKER_00]: She's there I forgot about I need to tell you for what the fuck dance news did I'm dropping [SPEAKER_00]: I love dance news.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly, but I feel like the lead was a trad wife, but maybe I'm wrong there.

[SPEAKER_01]: I guess I'm sorry, Pete.

[SPEAKER_01]: It depends on what you're listening for.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but hey, all that going on.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is still has the bones of like a team show.

[SPEAKER_00]: And that's really hard to maintain.

[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like, and they're just pros.

[SPEAKER_00]: Every time I watch a show, it's a beautiful objects to behold.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm speaking of like a team.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, go ahead.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'll be about to see about our right now by not talking.

[SPEAKER_02]: Take it away, Pete.

[SPEAKER_02]: All right, well, I'm just jumping on the team scene a little bit.

[SPEAKER_02]: I agree because like it reminds me of the kind of like, when we would watch Riverdale and I would get the excitement of like, I have no idea what's going to happen.

[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: There's a ton of stuff that are big swings and some great stuff, but the energy about it is great.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I agree with you, the vibe of the show, the fact that it's going to tackle hard stuff.

[SPEAKER_02]: They can do it.

[SPEAKER_02]: Go anywhere.

[SPEAKER_02]: There's so much happening.

[SPEAKER_02]: That, yeah, that excitement, that also kind of teen kind of vibe.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I agree with you.

[SPEAKER_01]: I really it's it's fun to have this show back and I am very much a second episode 11 it's very funny that you went for that Pete because I thought you were going to go for something else Which is what I was going to say instead you have equated being a teen with being excited which [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, probably a little bit to dig into that.

[SPEAKER_02]: No, it's not about teen shows in general.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's like who are they dating?

[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's a young energy a little bit.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I don't know.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's like back when we were teens when we were happy.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's what you're getting at, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: Pete.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you're calling them out for that.

[SPEAKER_00]: But I think that is true.

[SPEAKER_00]: Technically, that's the whole basis of all music and most of life.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, there's potential to life?

[SPEAKER_00]: You heard of something called a marriage.

[SPEAKER_00]: Very useful.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's literally built around.

[SPEAKER_01]: Because what I was going to call out was the romance, like there's a great amount of romance going on in this episode, particularly the scene with Maria Jordan.

[SPEAKER_01]: That to be, uh, was the thing that like, nailed that to your show vibe.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's really romantic when they're sitting there and talking about Andre and flirting.

[SPEAKER_01]: I wrote down the lines.

[SPEAKER_01]: Me like this is that okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then anything and everything you do is okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, [SPEAKER_00]: that that was because you know what here's the that that line I thought was like romantic like hot beautiful well also being like they took the time to let her just literally say it slowly to have more effect it's just it was just a performance and a direction and a choice of the show made that I thought was really good.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, let's purposely sad in that moment in a nice amount of time.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, exactly.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's our full beautiful teen excitement.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: And again, Alex, if you don't understand teen excitement, you should try out like seven, like I'm going to say the name Bob Seager.

[SPEAKER_00]: You should check out that.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, the teen looks like this.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's your good name.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, again.

[SPEAKER_01]: I can't see.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, see, like hot on TikTok or something like that.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like a TikTok artist.

[SPEAKER_02]: I just think you're not going to the sound.

[SPEAKER_02]: You go the mail and just the note that says, check out Bob Seeger.

[SPEAKER_00]: I said that out to a lot of people.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's probably like a newsletter about written in blood.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's like a sub-spec, but it's a blood stack.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's an out of bad actually.

[SPEAKER_00]: What I was gonna say is, I criticize a lot of television shows amongst them most perhaps invincible for having the nastiest, most direct bad needle drops in the game.

[SPEAKER_00]: And a lot of shows are bad at it.

[SPEAKER_00]: This show has the softest, most chilled out needle drops that is so much better.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's not even needle drop, it's like a needle slide.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's like music, a needle slide.

[SPEAKER_00]: Just playing, what do you say?

[SPEAKER_00]: It's a needle slide.

[SPEAKER_01]: If you say needle slopp or needle slide.

[SPEAKER_01]: Needle slide.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, needle slopp implies something very different.

[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like that's a completely of connotation.

[SPEAKER_01]: We're trying to coin a term so that we can capture some of that.

[SPEAKER_01]: We're so fast that's insane.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I think making one of the most important points about this episode.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's far off the rail.

[SPEAKER_00]: That this show uses music in a way that the music of the top of that episode.

[SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was really fun in a satirical, like making fun sarcastic way.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then the song that plays underneath the romance into sexy and that we're talking about I thought was also very well done It started playing like is if it was on Diagetically on a radio around off of the computer and then it just turns up a little bit.

[SPEAKER_00]: It was great really great [SPEAKER_01]: I would also throw out there just to stay on the scene for a second, and I know we mentioned this last episode, contrary to the joke we were making about who was a boy at the beginning of the episode.

[SPEAKER_01]: The show very lot ofly allows Jordan to just exist, you know, particularly in the world right now when there are people who have different genders and embracing different genders, particularly trans, but I would throw that out to anybody who doesn't identify [SPEAKER_01]: specifically as masculine or feminine, but it embraces different things there.

[SPEAKER_01]: The fact that the show exists on TV, obviously we don't know how the ratings are, but the boy is as huge.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Is important.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, it is important to see this, even though it is, it is super heroes, super natural type context to have the show out there and existing and letting everybody accept it, I think, is really important.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm glad to see that.

[SPEAKER_01]: So shout out.

[SPEAKER_00]: I would double that shout down by even saying, it's not just having a character that has, that where gender fluidity is baked in so hard, like it's not a choice, which I think is a conservative talking point for so many people, that it's also, we get inside the perspective, from that perspective.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I think a lot of shows that are like, look, we're showing that we're showing gender fluidity.

[SPEAKER_00]: But it's just seen and not show, not experienced, you know, it's like, and this show does that from a way that I think is much more, there's an emotionality to it that let's let's see in on it more and again, this is my outside perspective, but I really appreciate that especially in this episode.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, and just to sort of wrap this up, I would also throw out versus the fact that we've spent a couple of minutes here talking about it.

[SPEAKER_01]: The show just lets it be, at least in this episode, which I think is all the more important because like you're saying, Justin, you know, I think TV has gotten a little better at it for the most part, but there was certainly a time when like you would introduce a lesbian or gay character in a TV show, and that's literally all they were.

[SPEAKER_01]: They were lesbian, they were gay, and that was their entire character and identity.

[SPEAKER_01]: the fact that there's a lot more stuff going on with Jordan from both of their identities and it's just a character that is there.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's great.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's really good.

[SPEAKER_02]: Speaking of, uh, let it be, um, that, uh, be lady like hawk and up honey.

[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I love honey, but I wouldn't, I wouldn't eat that.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's what I do.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I do.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I do.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's Stacy, the student life director.

[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[SPEAKER_01]: This is great.

[SPEAKER_01]: This is another thing that I think the boy has done so well is, when she first showed up, I was like, this is sort of another Ashley type character, but exactly what you're saying to be, just the points of like her having the stigger, sticking out and that's got to grow as her hooking up, honey, just layering these characters in the background.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's such a [SPEAKER_01]: just like blasted back for a second.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's such an important part of comedies that I feel like so few comedies figure out immediately.

[SPEAKER_01]: They're so focused on their core cast.

[SPEAKER_01]: They forget that what makes it a better comedy is fleshing out the weirdos on the side of the world.

[SPEAKER_01]: It makes your main character stronger.

[SPEAKER_01]: And the boys got that immediately.

[SPEAKER_01]: Gen V gets that immediately and I think Stacey is exactly that.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like I don't need to see it in entire Stacey focused episode.

[SPEAKER_01]: But the fact that she shows up every couple of episodes and adds another thing onto our character game makes it such a richer, better world.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, in plus it's like heightening something that we all know is annoying, like that person in the real world is gross and obnoxious and then they just take that and you use be specifics to heightening is so good and I think we have a check off stinger that was introduced in the first episode like that lady's sting in somebody and she's like, nah, he's gonna die right after and that's gonna be great.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that would will be great and I do think like you know because this show does the range of stuff is impressive like there's beautiful moments There's also you know gross stuff that we're talking about and then there's the invisible guy taking a shit and it's like man the show [SPEAKER_02]: You know, now I, I'm like, well, is this shit going to be clear or is it going to, like, once it comes out, then you can see it, now I'm just like, God damn this show.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, the fact that I'm thinking about this, it's, you know, it's impressive, the range of insanity, but also beautiful moments.

[SPEAKER_00]: I would think it would be invisible.

[SPEAKER_01]: Really?

[SPEAKER_01]: Because there's some visible in the show, you don't see it, but it's not part of his body, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: It's a waste material, but it was waste material from food, and do you know how shit works?

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just saying it, because it's a part of your own, you know, once you get it, it does not become a part of you.

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, it's very easy to read that part of it, you need to understand it, you need to understand it, you need to understand it, you need to understand it, you need to understand it, you need to understand it, you need to understand it, you need to understand it, you need to understand it, you need to understand it, you need to understand it, you need to understand it, you need to understand it, you need to understand it, you need to understand it, you need to understand it, you need to understand it, you need to understand it, you need to understand it, you need to understand it, you need to understand [SPEAKER_02]: My garbage play is a part of me.

[SPEAKER_00]: No, it's not that his death is T-shirt reads out If you look at my garbage play is a part of me.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I would say though, Alex to take the Contrarian position.

[SPEAKER_00]: Sure, please.

[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of like stomach acid There's biology from your body that does get very much mixed in with the food waste coming out that I think might make it at least partially in this [SPEAKER_00]: for sure i feel like i can agree i can see the territory that there will be invisible chunks in this magic and you sure you're gonna see some floating corn just like us and that's what that's what i get seen in this show there's gonna be some loose corn and tomato husks ah i think there's the big i don't think it's gonna be like a baby to have the well but this this sort of thing [SPEAKER_01]: This sort of thing is, like, exactly, the sort of thing that the boys actually at GenV would actually do.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, like, it's very much available.

[SPEAKER_01]: I just want to do a rail check here.

[SPEAKER_01]: Real check, first real check of the season, let's talk about Cypher and Hero Optimization, which is something I skipped over in the recap.

[SPEAKER_01]: This seems like a big thing with this character, we were certainly questioning what's going on with him, what's his secret, what's his powers.

[SPEAKER_01]: We don't find out too much about that in this episode, but we do get to see his seminar, [SPEAKER_01]: which piss pits Marie and a bunch of other students against, I couldn't quite catch it, but like a big Viking dude called Fight Hour Door, or something like that.

[SPEAKER_00]: Fight Corps, yeah, it's Fight Corps.

[SPEAKER_01]: Fight Corps, that all they got to do is get to the other side of the room and press button.

[SPEAKER_01]: Not a great class, but a good action scene, I think.

[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's how some, like, we got this.

[SPEAKER_01]: What do you guys think about this like what did you take away from since I think like Cypher's motivations are one of the big mysteries of the season for sure very clearly What do you take away from this class what do you take away from what makes me miss college?

[SPEAKER_02]: I mean I never forget my first class why I walked in Teacher just shut the door, you know floor drops out all these spikes, you know Pick your weapons, you know just gotta make it to the button on the other side, so yeah, I mean it's [SPEAKER_01]: Pete, you went to college at said Skeletor's Castle, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: That's right, yeah, it's Nick Mountain.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and how's it supposed to...

You're still pretty close with Skunkhor, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: Ah, do Skunkhor's my boy, bro, come out.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, really good.

[SPEAKER_00]: And one day you will kill he man, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: Uh-huh.

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I mean, come on.

[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, don't give away all my plans as soon as we find out really really is he's dead.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's good to say.

[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, a little clue for you.

[SPEAKER_00]: Check out Prince Adam.

[SPEAKER_00]: He seems to have a lot of quality.

[SPEAKER_02]: He's like guys lazy.

[SPEAKER_02]: He's always sleeping with his cat.

[SPEAKER_02]: You know, just like not really.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to try and cringe or have a similar, um, I don't know Stripes.

[SPEAKER_00]: How deep are you?

[SPEAKER_02]: Two completely different cats.

[SPEAKER_02]: Just because there is a similar, oh, man.

[SPEAKER_00]: nice.

[SPEAKER_00]: Jumping back to the fight with ViCorps.

[SPEAKER_00]: When I liked about this from a sort of meta textual point of view, this was like Professor X's danger room if it was real and more aggressively ran, so that I thought was really cool.

[SPEAKER_00]: Great take on X-Men.

[SPEAKER_02]: Plus, it's a nice kind of like, I don't know what the professors evil plan is, but it's good for our team to try to work together, work on their powers, figure stuff out.

[SPEAKER_02]: So there's an evil plan that I'm not aware of, but it's good to see them kind of like learning to work together and use their powers.

[SPEAKER_02]: So that was cool.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I wonder where it's going like there's not a lot of give from Cipher per his name, like he very much is a Cipher, but maybe it's like creating his own seven or something like that.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_02]: It seems like it's like, hey, listen, if the, you know, I don't know if you're paying attention to the voice, but seven members go down left and right, so we need people to fill in.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean, that's, that's the feeder for God, you, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: Like the top ranking people have an opportunity to potentially get on the seven, but it's all rankings.

[SPEAKER_01]: We haven't seen him talk about that.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like he hasn't really talked about VWOT Tower.

[SPEAKER_01]: He hasn't talked about, I don't think he's talked about home lender too much or anything like that.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, I don't know.

[SPEAKER_01]: Again, I wonder if he's like running his own thing.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm going to throw out there that I think it's more of a separate paramilitary unit or something that he's working on creating that feels cultural commentary wise, like ice that feels like very much in the air, and maybe something they would want to do here.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it just seems too simple that it just be like, yes, you're good enough to join the seven something we've already seen literally last season.

[SPEAKER_00]: So it does feel like that's going to be part of an overall plan for him.

[SPEAKER_00]: Cypher, I do think Maria even says like there's a pretty South Chance he knows everything and I think that's accurate.

[SPEAKER_00]: Whatever his powers are, he seems very invulnerable like we talked about but he also seems like hyper-aware.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's why I do think it's going to be something social media or algorithm-based where he can somehow hear everything from.

[SPEAKER_02]: He's a cypher, people's powers and thoughts and me and Cypher.

[SPEAKER_01]: They should call them siphon honestly.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they should change the name to siphon.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, as a slightly related thing, I wanted to throw out something that we talked about in the last episode that I threw out was a concern about like Gen V and the boys are usually like scaryly prescient because they feel it shows a year in advance in terms of where we are at American.

[SPEAKER_01]: I was talking about how would it relate?

[SPEAKER_01]: to universities given the situation that universities are in being monetarily attacked by the Trump administration.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I had a little thought about it since we talked about the last episode.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I think [SPEAKER_01]: It's not one to one, but they are still kind of right on the money in terms of fear on college campuses is what they're getting at here.

[SPEAKER_01]: And that isn't something that necessarily could have known about back when they were crafting the show that two summers ago, I guess, at this point, but I think it works.

[SPEAKER_01]: What I've come around to is I think it's close enough that it does feel like it's right [SPEAKER_00]: And let me, this is, I don't know how, no, if this is true, but there's a line when we're going from the modesty monarch scene into the danger room scene where you hear an ADR line that is like, didn't this used to be big chief of patches diversity seminar, the room that they want.

[SPEAKER_00]: diversity and inclusion seminar and that felt like an added line later that perhaps recently that's commenting on how D.E.I.

[SPEAKER_00]: across the continent and eradics part yeah good catch that felt like something that they added because it's literally right there they had they did all the work and then they were like you know what if we had this line it feels like this came out [SPEAKER_00]: you know, today about, like we shot this today to make this point about what's happening in colleges.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I really like that.

[SPEAKER_00]: And they're still like you're saying, they're so precious.

[SPEAKER_00]: The intertwining of in the monochemonocene of conservative talking points, the superhero metaphor and the social media commentary in that scene, especially is so, it's just next letter.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, the writers of the show just leave inside this bubble and are seem so excited to make these points, [SPEAKER_01]: I will throw out one contrary thing, though, that I just, it's played for comedy, so I'm not too upset about it, but redoing the TikTok or reel, or whatever she was doing at the top of the episode, and am a directing or a very funny scene to be like, give me more, but less.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that was hilarious.

[SPEAKER_01]: But I don't buy that anybody would buy Marie off that video, because she's very clearly like, [SPEAKER_01]: Hey guys, what's going on?

[SPEAKER_01]: And again, it's funny, it's a comedy, it's fine.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not saying about it.

[SPEAKER_01]: But like trying to think about her having a crazy about her social media followers, and the idea of the real world that everybody analyzes every single video for every single celebrity non-stop.

[SPEAKER_01]: There would be a million articles being like, Marie, do you have a good dear head right now?

[SPEAKER_01]: And that's kind of where they would go for them.

[SPEAKER_00]: But here's my bounce back on that.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think they were the commentary wasn't this is real.

[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like they were making fun of the fact that everyone's apology video does look like they have a gun to their head and they're saying Yeah, that's part of the jump.

[SPEAKER_00]: state name feel very bad about what we're going to film your apology video ah oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah well today we're going to tape the one where Peter apologizes to rails I believe is what we're going for yeah yeah I understand it it's important to be both on and off the rails at different points in your life yeah I was being um rail centric [SPEAKER_01]: I want to talk about polarity because Pete brought him up earlier and I actually want to kick it over to Pete since you seem pretty excited to have him back.

[SPEAKER_01]: How do you feel this to be feels like this will be the most emotional storyline over the course of the season just by the nature of him being Andre's dad.

[SPEAKER_01]: And since we haven't mentioned yet, [SPEAKER_01]: I think we were wondering about this or talking about this in the first episode if I are called, but like I think they did a really good job of continuing to thread the loss of chance predominant through this episode, particularly through polarity storyline.

[SPEAKER_01]: Pete, how'd you feel about that?

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I, you know, uh, yeah, Andre, it still hangs over.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I love the choice of dad just kind of being like, hey, you know, fuck you.

[SPEAKER_02]: You know, like, how dare you come at me and saying things that I should be doing?

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I just lost my son, like, [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I like to him taking a beat and then kind of realizing, okay, I need this like this is important and then coming back and you know, we saw, you know, even though she was really [SPEAKER_02]: I had to mally hurt like just like so excited to see him and be like on adult thank God like this is so crazy.

[SPEAKER_02]: It was just such a great moment and I felt like that we were kind of the audience too of like yeah they need help here big time and so yeah I just happy with the way that that all kind of went down of like him initially just like [SPEAKER_02]: you know, two torn up to even be kind of talking or kind of considering anything and then kind of realizing like this is the best thing forward not only for what they're trying to do, but also for him.

[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, I just think it was a really smart choice that really well done and it was supremely acted.

[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, feeling great about all that.

[SPEAKER_00]: I agree.

[SPEAKER_00]: I really liked these scenes and I like polarity spot in the mix.

[SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was going to be a longer like he's going to be the point person on solving the aggressiveness tree, but already done guys.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well done.

[SPEAKER_00]: CHAP.

[SPEAKER_00]: I really liked how they incorporated that [SPEAKER_00]: that Andre hadn't told them about his powers killing him and it was like he knew pushing himself that hardwood kill him.

[SPEAKER_00]: I thought that was like just another fold to add into the story while still dealing with the idea of chances death over the hanging over the show.

[SPEAKER_00]: It did strike me pull out a little bit from the show when I was like, oh, was this arc or the scene with Emma [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.

[SPEAKER_01]: That was exactly what I was about to say.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think I think it's a little unfair to speculate about the sort of a great degree.

[SPEAKER_01]: But we had thoughts, so we have to say it about loud here.

[SPEAKER_01]: Don't have to.

[SPEAKER_01]: No, we have to.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think they've done a good job of rejiggering it, but 100% particularly once they get to library, I was like, this was Andre and Emma, this definitely because they like, as far as we know, they wrote, [SPEAKER_01]: the scripts.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think maybe they've written the entire season.

[SPEAKER_00]: I bet they were filming when he passed, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: No, they were about, I mean, they have this wrong, but I believe they were going to go back into production, then they delayed production so that they could reject or the scripts.

[SPEAKER_01]: So they did, at least in this episode, more than just like a fine and replace of names, but for sure, given the way polarity storyline was going, [SPEAKER_01]: I think he was probably going to be more of a emotional thing for Andre potentially in season two, and now they have not necessarily one to one, but I think put polarity in Andre's place, but like Pete called out, I think what they very smartly did was change it so that polarity is the adult in the room now and that that is reassuring.

[SPEAKER_01]: So they did a really good job with that sub in a impossible situation, but I totally agree with you.

[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, but in it's more, you know, this is what when things happen and change things, if, you know, can change them irrevocably.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I actually think this is more interesting than just a split up, just talking about characters, not talking about, chance at all.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like if it was Andre and Emma doing this, they probably both would have been fucked up.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: they would have both taken the pills and that would have been like maybe funny but this would have had much more layered to it I thought and was an interesting combining a character's that like wouldn't really like she was being very close with him because she was rolling and he was like being like okay like a sort of like half-and-half hours I thought it added just a nice dynamic especially when he tries to she's bad at charming the member and then she's great at just being [SPEAKER_00]: It just made the dynamic really.

[SPEAKER_02]: I also like that little muff up so much you started writing.

[SPEAKER_02]: You know, like that was such a fun choice that like he got so excited.

[SPEAKER_02]: He was like, yeah, yeah, and then he's like, I'm going to crank out some, you know, like, oh, such a great, but man, Emma was so funny in that whole thing, like the just the start of it too, which she's like, [SPEAKER_02]: have a notice how great hands are just subtle.

[SPEAKER_00]: And that's like, yeah, he's like, like, wait, are you fucked up?

[SPEAKER_00]: I think he would would say, yeah, exactly.

[SPEAKER_01]: The only thing that I will throw out there, I hope they don't go this route that I'm a little worried about is, I hope they don't go teacher student relationship there.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I don't think they will, but definitely, I don't know, there's always that temptation.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, we're talking about the team shows to go that route.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I think as we see it over the years, [SPEAKER_01]: That's not good, but I could see that being like we're both fucked up that happening.

[SPEAKER_01]: We do a fucked-up thing oops But hopefully that I guess we'll see yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: I did think the funniest moment in the episode was Ebo when she grew as huge Which is excited and she's totally new to does the pupue pupue with her boobs That was the funny stuff.

[SPEAKER_02]: No dude the funny slime was fuck off.

[SPEAKER_02]: You don't have a dick.

[SPEAKER_02]: That was hysterical [SPEAKER_00]: See, it's funny.

[SPEAKER_00]: I thought the funniest line was the, I found the remember, the only mind I trust to write it as my own, when he's running into that.

[SPEAKER_01]: I was a member is so good.

[SPEAKER_01]: Just a dream.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like I was saying earlier about Bithig's fleshing out the world.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's such a smart parody of all of these very specific copchias with, like, the mentalist or whatever else, having the breadbrew be the most annoying person ever is, it's great.

[SPEAKER_01]: I hope we see more of it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Again, taking something from reality and just hiding in a little bit to call out how stupid it is that it's like, oh, this detectives remember stuff.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, that's all that's most chose now.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I also love his line when he's writing he's like, hop, it doesn't know it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Do you like number one clamious trope in the world?

[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, character we haven't talked about yet.

[SPEAKER_01]: Sam.

[SPEAKER_01]: How do we feel about Sam?

[SPEAKER_01]: He's starting to tweak without Kate like we speculated about with the first episode.

[SPEAKER_01]: We only get a little bit of him, but what do you think?

[SPEAKER_01]: He feels very external to this season right now.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm curious how he gets folded in.

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I think Sam and Emma are going to, you know, like Emma is going to fold him in a little bit.

[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like they really had something and, you know, because he got brainwashed.

[SPEAKER_02]: They got sidetracked, so hopefully that can get kind of back on track.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's interesting you say that because I thought that too, but I thought the scene between them when he's threatening her.

[SPEAKER_00]: She, and yes, she was still fucked up, but like, she didn't, I didn't see any love in her eyes.

[SPEAKER_00]: She was legitimately scared of him and he was like, you know, his dealer got killed or almost got killed.

[SPEAKER_00]: So like, he's, he needs her back and he's going to have to go through some sort of, [SPEAKER_00]: Emotional withdrawal overload situation once all of that comes rushing back.

[SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't have Kate too.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, okay.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's alive.

[SPEAKER_00]: So But our powers are kill What's it talking about jumping back to that scene that scene was got me that was really alarming When the lady terms like horror movie really well done just like out of nowhere intense scene [SPEAKER_02]: You want to talk about it got me seen when the fucking hammer guy is beating his own heart back to life Holy shit did that get really like oh my god, what a fuck such a smart Yes, I've had a counteract in which you're shutting his heart down and he just keeps it going [SPEAKER_01]: Speaking Marie, we should talk about Odessa.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like what do you think, what's your speculation on what it means that Marie is Odessa?

[SPEAKER_01]: What does that mean for the show?

[SPEAKER_01]: What does that mean for Marie?

[SPEAKER_01]: What can we do?

[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's a problem.

[SPEAKER_01]: Odessa.

[SPEAKER_01]: The city.

[SPEAKER_00]: Russia are the one in Texas.

[SPEAKER_02]: Texas.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, great.

[SPEAKER_00]: Big revelation.

[SPEAKER_00]: With.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I can't wait to find out all the origin cities of everyone.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's interesting that the scene earlier when Cypher is talking to them.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, how do your powers work?

[SPEAKER_00]: And she's like, I don't know, I move blood around.

[SPEAKER_00]: And he's like, ah, huh.

[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like Odessa is potentially a step in evolution in the V, the formula, where a lot of everyone's powers are like, you do this one thing and it makes sense.

[SPEAKER_00]: You turn invisible because you're skinned.

[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like they maybe don't know how her powers work because it doesn't, it's not really scientific.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's, you know, she can't move water, she can't move iron per se, she moves blood.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's a weird idea from a science perspective and a power set perspective, so I think they're really studying her here and that there's something with the way her power's work that is an evolution of the V formula so it's not going to be an acronym type of situation is what you're saying.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, we should probably look up what Odessa is other than a city because I'm sure there's a hit there and I have not done that yet, but it definitely ties back to that scene right at the beginning of the first episode with Ethan's Ethan Slater as Dr.

T.

Gooddalk and I think, I like back up.

[SPEAKER_01]: I know it's I think that was in like the 90 that was 1967.

[SPEAKER_01]: So time-wise, unless Marie is much older than we think she is, doesn't necessarily make sense there.

[SPEAKER_01]: But it seems very pointed that like they had that with Ethan Slater getting horribly burned, everybody exploding, and then we have the scene of Marie a five-dig out cheese Addessa.

[SPEAKER_01]: So perhaps the project continued past that point.

[SPEAKER_01]: How it is connected, maybe it turns out the way you're saying.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I would think it was, Gedalkin was responding to the disaster that he witnessed and almost died from, and maybe we have to make this a certain way different, so that it doesn't just have tentacles, burst of not a, the tight tight buttholes of your friends.

[SPEAKER_01]: I have like that idea that they're trying to figure out a way of having the, [SPEAKER_01]: that they purposefully can control the power so that's what you're saying that people get versus like it's very random based on almost absolutely nothing.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that would be interesting.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know.

[SPEAKER_01]: I guess we'll see.

[SPEAKER_01]: We also got a big scene.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's a little scene, but I think big and important for the world to the boys.

[SPEAKER_01]: We find out that dog knot has killed the star later than the befriended.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's pretty rough.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I guess good that dog knot is alive because he's a pretty gross interesting character.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, so I don't like it to go with that dog.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: No, definitely not.

[SPEAKER_02]: Interesting.

[SPEAKER_02]: Wow, interesting, ancient dog for a minute.

[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, that definitely is like continue that and also getting to see firecracker with the bomb, but like there was an e-bissing, I think, so, I don't know, they should.

[SPEAKER_02]: She's really show, where I guess there was a, she's really getting into the correspondent, like, you know, her news show is really taken off.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, good for her.

[SPEAKER_02]: Good for her.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, good for her.

[SPEAKER_01]: But I don't know.

[SPEAKER_01]: Again, like we talked about with the first episode, we continue to see like this feels very heavily tied to where the boys left off in a very specific way.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's not just internal to the university.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's very external to what's happening in the United States.

[SPEAKER_00]: And definitely, and I love the propaganda aspect of that, and the pushing it toward anti-subes versus humans, which, you know, that may, I don't know if that's going to, that feels like that's going to be paid off in the boys and not here necessarily.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's cool.

[SPEAKER_00]: And again, that's something that I don't know what, from a goal perspective, like why would all the soups want to kill all the humans?

[SPEAKER_00]: Like it doesn't make sense.

[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, so that's, that's an interesting empty idea, like a lot of modern political movement ideology.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, you want what?

[SPEAKER_00]: And everyone's like, I don't know, I'm mad.

[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what it feels like is happening here.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I like that reflection, because it's terrible.

[SPEAKER_01]: I also wanted to throw out on the greater world of the boys, Fred, the cameo by the deep, doing pledging.

[SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was great.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it's nice because...

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, but he's also exactly the sort of dweeb that would constantly come back for pledge week at his college to be King of the World.

[SPEAKER_01]: So it wasn't just like, I feel like sometimes with these cabbios, it could be like, oh, who's available, who could we get?

[SPEAKER_01]: But actually tie it to the character, actually making it work, have a reason for it to be there that makes it even sadder and dweebier.

[SPEAKER_01]: I thought was great.

[SPEAKER_01]: Good stuff.

[SPEAKER_00]: Great, love seeing you.

[SPEAKER_02]: uh...

any other moments from the episode that you guys want to call out yeah i just the you know the use of the title phrase as the two of them both did the justice never forgets like shmoman uh...

we talked about how great they were but just that line was really just uh...

[SPEAKER_02]: just so fun to kind of have that joke within the joke, kind of thing happening with the title.

[SPEAKER_02]: So, all great.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I want to give a big shout out to We Hawkin.

[SPEAKER_01]: This is the most that anybody has ever talked about.

[SPEAKER_01]: We Hawkin on television this episode.

[SPEAKER_01]: So that's what you will.

[SPEAKER_00]: We want to keep that alive.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like let's say that.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Great city.

[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, I definitely think they're going to want to be remembered for being the site of an unnear murder.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the we hawk and township at New Jersey, of course, is home.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's known for [SPEAKER_01]: it's iconic postcard where the skyline views of Manhattan and its historical significance is the side of a stable between Alexander Hamilton and Aaron Burr as we all know right from Hamilton yeah of course this is a modern Hamilton Burr's when they go everything is legal in New Jersey uh anything else or we should talk about the uh secret museum of racism that they discovered the back room of the library with all the Nazi memorabilia [SPEAKER_00]: not in clean stuff.

[SPEAKER_00]: We're surprised there.

[SPEAKER_00]: Gross.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that definitely I think points to we don't know a lot about cadalkin University and maybe fighting out more about its origins given that we got Dr.

T.

Gadalkin at the beginning of the season.

[SPEAKER_01]: So probably like the rest of the boys were old, it's based in Nazi ideology.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's not too much of a surprise, but yeah, it's a shock [SPEAKER_01]: All right.

[SPEAKER_01]: Why don't we wrap up by talking about what we want to see in the next episode this is going to be the final of the three episodes that debut on Premier Day.

[SPEAKER_01]: So as you all are listening to this, maybe you've already seen it at we sound like crazy people in this episode.

[SPEAKER_00]: But let's get a little special issue and we'll have the answer to it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, exactly.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well Justin, what do you want to see in the final batch of these three episodes here?

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, the big question coming out of this episode for me is, are they going to fold Sam and Kate back into the team?

[SPEAKER_00]: Like will they be able to make up after a true unimaginable betrayal that happened at the end of last season?

[SPEAKER_00]: But it does feel like we're following them.

[SPEAKER_00]: It feels like Sam feels important, despite the fact that Emma was just pure scared of him.

[SPEAKER_00]: It does feel like Kate, but it feels like he might come back and Kate, I don't know, maybe now that her powers are flipped a little bit, she's going to be more less of a someone who's just taking advantage of people and more someone that [SPEAKER_00]: needs help or her powers change enough where she can maybe be more chill and be more on the side of the right.

[SPEAKER_00]: So that's I want to see the next step in that because it does feel like whatever happens, they need to get the team together before they can move into the next phase.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, just to throw out there, one thing that dreading is probably too strong of a word, but it feels like they probably could go for an abdusious storyline for Kate, which is crazy and soap opera E, because she knows that Jordan, Marie, and Abba basically left her for dead.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, [SPEAKER_01]: if she knows that how does she come back and like not say that or do they need to go through board narrative loops of propaganda to be like no this is why it was heroic which we're sort of stretching that particular thing a little thin by the fact that they're back at the university at all and everything is mostly fine so I don't know I'm a little little tentatively worried about how this plot line is going to play out because there's [SPEAKER_00]: Well, to take the team's show of it all, it feels like it could easily be like, I know I screwed you guys over, but you let me die almost so we're even Let's be friends again.

[SPEAKER_00]: It feels very like kid logic of how to deal with a heavy emotional trauma.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm just worried based on like Kate lying there and not saying anything that it's like she lost her speech function or she's abdisec and forgot that they attacked or something like that, but [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we'll see.

[SPEAKER_02]: I know about Alex, they brought up a good point.

[SPEAKER_02]: You were like Kate and then not say, you think Kate's a Nazi, is what you're saying.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think that, yeah, I would like to see if Kate can control her powers and not kill people if she's got kind of what's going to happen with her powers.

[SPEAKER_02]: And then also the more from the [SPEAKER_02]: How does Odessa equal Marie, you know?

[SPEAKER_02]: But I'm also excited to see if the plan, now that they know what Odessa is, what's going to be the plan and how the dad's going to help moving forward because we need the dad.

[SPEAKER_00]: Should we go to Odessa Texas P to see if your theory's right?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, let's show up, man.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to go to the other Odessa, so like all, [SPEAKER_01]: I'll zoom with you guys.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'll face down.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, sweetie.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, no, no, no.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I know what that is.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's not social media.

[SPEAKER_01]: Come on.

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