[SPEAKER_00]: Hello everyone and welcome to the Greta Eskerch podcast.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is episode 81 and today it's just me, that's right.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm as I guess and the host, get ready.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be fun.

[SPEAKER_00]: Guys, we're going to be talking about or yeah, it's going to be a fun episode.

[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I haven't done one of these in quite a while.

[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't just hung out with you by myself.

[SPEAKER_00]: And there have been a few issues that have just been heavy on my heart.

[SPEAKER_00]: occupying my mind, and I feel like I need to talk to you about them.

[SPEAKER_00]: So that's what we're going to do today.

[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to cover three specific things about pornography things, like I said, that have come up as I research every day, I learn every day, things are happening in culture and the world around us, or people are messaging me.

[SPEAKER_00]: things come up continuously and I'm like I need to share with everyone about them.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so that's the format of today's episode.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to share some important things that you need to know about the world of pornography right now.

[SPEAKER_00]: And [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, some of this stuff is going to be hard to hear, but man, it is so important.

[SPEAKER_00]: And that is why I pepper this podcast with lots of joyful, fun, interesting, compelling, informative, [SPEAKER_00]: all kinds of things like that.

[SPEAKER_00]: But I also am always going to be directing you to things that challenge you and push you outside of your comfort zone.

[SPEAKER_00]: In fact, just today, I get a message from a woman who said, she has followed my podcast for, will not just my podcast.

[SPEAKER_00]: She's followed me since I had my first podcast, which was I don't even know how many years ago, eight years ago, more a long time.

[SPEAKER_00]: And she followed me even before that.

[SPEAKER_00]: but she said she just now started reading my book and she said I don't really know why it took me so long to read your book until I stopped to really think about it and it was because she had been hurt by pornography in her own life in her marriage and it had impacted her in a negative way as pornography will do right even if you're not the one using it.

[SPEAKER_00]: someone close to you, someone that you care about is using pornography and it hurts you.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that was her story.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so, of course, she hesitated to read the book herself.

[SPEAKER_00]: She wasn't ready.

[SPEAKER_00]: She hadn't thought through any of it, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: She hadn't sent down and thought, well, I don't want to read Greta's book because I have hurt from pornography in my own life.

[SPEAKER_00]: So, I'm not going to read it even though I've followed her for years.

[SPEAKER_00]: I trust her.

[SPEAKER_00]: I have learned from [SPEAKER_00]: and I know that this book is important and I need to share it with my kids.

[SPEAKER_00]: She didn't have that kind of cognizant conversation in her head.

[SPEAKER_00]: She just avoided reading the book and then she said today she started it and she realized [SPEAKER_00]: that she had been avoiding it because of her hurt, but by reading the book, she began to realize that she's not just avoiding it for herself, like avoiding reading this book that she knows she needs to, but she's been avoiding having conversations with her kids.

[SPEAKER_00]: She had just been avoiding the subject all together.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so that is why I wrote the book, it's time to talk to your kids about porn, and it's why I talk about this topic on my podcast, and honestly with anyone who will listen, because I know really what so many of us want to do, what I did for years.

[SPEAKER_00]: is to avoid it.

[SPEAKER_00]: We want to hide from it.

[SPEAKER_00]: We want to run from it.

[SPEAKER_00]: We want to pretend.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's not happening.

[SPEAKER_00]: We want to pretend.

[SPEAKER_00]: We don't need it to talk to our kids.

[SPEAKER_00]: But friends, every day that goes by, your kids are more at risk to be exposed to pornography.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's everywhere.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's everywhere.

[SPEAKER_00]: and it's not everywhere in the sense of what we think of pornography is, you know, just naked pictures of men or women, people engaging in sexual acts, it could be something that is a gateway to that, a stepping stone to those movies or pictures.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's part of the reason why we have to talk to our kids because it's not just that they're going to be exposed to full on pornography at first.

[SPEAKER_00]: That can and does happen.

[SPEAKER_00]: But what's happening more and more is they're being exposed to soft pornography, they're being exposed to images that are arousing curiosity [SPEAKER_00]: are the gateway that lead them into more explicit pornography.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so we have to have the conversations with our kids about what sexual integrity looks like and sexual integrity looks like saying no to pornography.

[SPEAKER_00]: And that actually leads me to the first thing that I wanted to talk about in this episode.

[SPEAKER_00]: Remember I said, we're going to cover three things.

[SPEAKER_00]: And this is the first one.

[SPEAKER_00]: I want to talk about how [SPEAKER_00]: having sexual integrity is about so much more than just waiting to have sex till you're married.

[SPEAKER_00]: If you grew up like I did in the era where that was kind of all we heard about having sexual purity was wait till you're married to have sex.

[SPEAKER_00]: and that was like it.

[SPEAKER_00]: And of course, we know there's so much more to the conversation.

[SPEAKER_00]: And really, I would say the reason I chose the word integrity over purity is because I want to give my kids, your kids, our kids, a much bigger sense of what it looks like to honor God with their [SPEAKER_00]: And it's much bigger than simply waiting to have sex until they're married.

[SPEAKER_00]: And a time where this was really, really driven home to me was last month, I saw a video of a podcast interview with Forest Frank.

[SPEAKER_00]: If you don't know who Forest Frank is, where have you been?

[SPEAKER_00]: No, he is a one of if not the most popular Christian musician and singer and songwriter right now.

[SPEAKER_00]: He is just blowing it out of the water.

[SPEAKER_00]: Everybody loves him.

[SPEAKER_00]: And [SPEAKER_00]: he did an interview and it was a video podcast and he was talking and someone sent to me and then someone else and someone else and I was inundated with people sending me this video because it is incredibly compelling.

[SPEAKER_00]: Forest Frank in this video is talking about his wedding night with his wife and how he had waited until he was married to have sex and it was, um, [SPEAKER_00]: You know, obviously something that they were looking forward to, he was a virgin, but what happens on that night, in which he shares so vulnerably, in fact he shares with tears in his eyes and a quiver in his voice as he looks back as he remembers that night, and it is [SPEAKER_00]: It was not what he wanted because what happened was, in this moment of intimacy with his wife, first time they're having an intimate encounter, husband and wife, he behaves in a way that is rough.

[SPEAKER_00]: She has taken it back, and she stops him, and she says, where did you learn that?

[SPEAKER_00]: And, oh my gosh, I'm getting emotional because I can see his face in the video.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna link it in the show notes for anybody who wants to see it.

[SPEAKER_00]: And he's emotional and he said, I knew exactly where I learned that.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it was exactly where I learned that I learned it from watching porn.

[SPEAKER_00]: I've been watching porn since the age of 10, and it had filled his mind with ideas of what sex was supposed to look like.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it was not honoring to his new wife.

[SPEAKER_00]: It was not loving, it was not safe, it was not kind, because that is not what pornography is.

[SPEAKER_00]: and that's what his heart and his head had been filled with.

[SPEAKER_00]: And that was his idea of what sex was supposed to be like.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so he hit pause and he stopped and he realized that that was not what he wanted for them.

[SPEAKER_00]: And he realized they had to start over, they get to start over.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it's a really [SPEAKER_00]: testimony of the damage pornography can do because yes, he obeyed the letter of the law, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: He enters marriage as a virgin.

[SPEAKER_00]: So he's obeying the letter of the law, but his heart had been exposed to [SPEAKER_00]: pornography for all these years and the damage had been done.

[SPEAKER_00]: That is not sexual integrity, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: And I am not in any way judging for a strength.

[SPEAKER_00]: In fact, I'm so incredibly grateful for what he shares, because I think it's a really powerful testimony for young people, especially who adore him, to hear [SPEAKER_00]: The truth about pornography, that you can be a version when you get married, but if you've been watching porn, that your innocence has been stolen, it has been taken away by people who don't care about you.

[SPEAKER_00]: who only want to make money off of you, they don't care about your heart, they don't care about your sexual future, they don't care about your health, your emotional physical or mental health.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's just, it's brutal, it's evil.

[SPEAKER_00]: And him sharing so vulnerably, I think really, [SPEAKER_00]: is a wonderful way for you to have a conversation with your kids that sexual integrity is more than simply being a virgin on your wedding night.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's about guarding your heart and your mind [SPEAKER_00]: you journey through life, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: It's not just about the physical act of sex.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's about honoring God with your mind and your heart, with the things you look at with your eyes and the things you do with your own body.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then honoring the people on the screen and honoring your future husband or your future wife, it's so much bigger and really it's so much better.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's so much better because when we follow God's ways, his plans, his ideal, it's so much better than, oh yeah, I didn't have sex until I get married, but I, [SPEAKER_00]: Watched all this pornography and it taught me all kinds of things that weren't true and in fact We're dangerous and harmful.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's not his plan.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's not his plan for sexual integrity and for sexual Holiness and so if you have older teams [SPEAKER_00]: Man, I could not recommend enough for you to sit down with them and say, I wanted to show you this video I saw about forest ranked talking about his relationship with his brand new wife and [SPEAKER_00]: What happened because he watched a lot of porn as a kid and he wished he had, and this is the damage that it did, imagine if you show them that video clip and then you have that conversation, wow it could be a really powerful way for you to begin the conversation or to continue I hope the conversation of what sexual integrity looks like.

[SPEAKER_00]: it's so much bigger and so much better than what we want to put out there as, you know, the ideal, the ideal being, I want to be a virgin when I get married.

[SPEAKER_00]: Now it's so much bigger than that.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's so much better than that when we follow God's ways.

[SPEAKER_00]: So that's the first thing on the list that I wanted to talk about because I was so moved by that video.

[SPEAKER_00]: I was so moved by for us vulnerability, by his courage, by his willingness to show emotion of how it impacted him.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's just so unique to hear a young man share so openly about something that is clearly still so tender.

[SPEAKER_00]: It says so much about him and it just may be [SPEAKER_00]: just want to just stay on that bench here and say thank you for, thank you for sharing this, and it really made me want to have them on the podcast.

[SPEAKER_00]: So, anybody that's listening and has a connection to Forest Frank, you want to let him know that the Greta Eskerge podcast would be happy to host at any time and to talk about this more.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'd love it.

[SPEAKER_00]: So, Forest, let's set it up.

[SPEAKER_00]: You and me.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'd love to talk more.

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so that's the first thing on the list.

[SPEAKER_00]: Now, let's talk about the second thing and this happened.

[SPEAKER_00]: because I was, oh, I'm trying to remember.

[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, okay, when, why did this come up?

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, I was on a podcast.

[SPEAKER_00]: I was a guest on Dr.

Julie Slattery's podcast, Java with Julie, and we were talking about erotic books and how erotic books are one of the most common ways for girls to be introduced to pornography.

[SPEAKER_00]: Remember I said at the beginning of the podcast that so often the way kids get into pornography use is not because they immediately start watching graphic pornography it actually starts [SPEAKER_00]: a lot of times with something less graphic, something that people often think is no big deal, and then that's a thing that begins to lure them in to deeper and darker things.

[SPEAKER_00]: And for so many girls, that thing is erotic literature.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so I talked about on the podcast.

[SPEAKER_00]: And when I shared in my stories, I was inundated with messages from women who said, yes, yes, thank you for talking about this because that was my experience.

[SPEAKER_00]: I was introduced to pornography because I started with reading erotic literature.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I have a couple messages that I get permission to share and honestly from women who really want their story to be told because they want the truth to be put out there because here's the deal and I'm going to make some of you mad when I say this.

[SPEAKER_00]: It is completely culturally acceptable for women to read spicy, and I'm using air quotes here, spicy books, spicy literature, and I use the term literature very lightly because it's not literature.

[SPEAKER_00]: that's another story.

[SPEAKER_00]: So, spicy books, spicy novels, and to act like they're no big deal, that they are just fun, innocent, silly, flirty, they make you hot for your husband, whatever it is.

[SPEAKER_00]: they are just innocent and they're playful and why are people like Red Esker getting upset about it?

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I'm getting upset about it because I don't think any of those things are true.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think that they are innocent.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think that they are without problems.

[SPEAKER_00]: often the thing that pulls girls, young girls, young women, middle-aged women, older women into the world of porn, and it's not an accident, it's not accidental.

[SPEAKER_00]: They're written and designed for that purpose.

[SPEAKER_00]: And if you think I am exaggerating, let me share these things with you that there are messages that I got from women who had this very experience.

[SPEAKER_00]: Here's the first one.

[SPEAKER_00]: She started off, which this makes me feel good.

[SPEAKER_00]: She said, Amen.

[SPEAKER_00]: Amen.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, more people should be talking about this.

[SPEAKER_00]: I was given a Harley Quinn novel as a teen and had no idea what that meant.

[SPEAKER_00]: I was shocked at the sex scene and how graphic it was.

[SPEAKER_00]: I looked away embarrassed.

[SPEAKER_00]: I skimmed and moved on.

[SPEAKER_00]: My initial reaction was accurate.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I didn't heat it.

[SPEAKER_00]: So she knew she shouldn't be reading it.

[SPEAKER_00]: It didn't sit right with her.

[SPEAKER_00]: And if you've read my book or you've heard, you've attended one of my seminars, you know that I teach you to teach your kids to listen to that.

[SPEAKER_00]: voice in their head or that feeling in the pit of their stomach that says this isn't right.

[SPEAKER_00]: This doesn't sit right with me.

[SPEAKER_00]: This feels yucky.

[SPEAKER_00]: I feel uncomfortable that we need to teach our kids to listen to that and to respond to it and to walk away from that picture or that thing that to not engage.

[SPEAKER_00]: So she's experienced that, but she didn't heat it, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: So she says, I skimmed the next scene a little slower, and I read a few of the other scenes, several times.

[SPEAKER_00]: I was embarrassed as I did it, but I was so curious.

[SPEAKER_00]: Also, it definitely caused a strong physical reaction for me.

[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't realize at the time that I was aroused, because I didn't understand what that meant.

[SPEAKER_00]: I was a very innocent girl at [SPEAKER_00]: So this is so important as well.

[SPEAKER_00]: She realizes she shouldn't read it, but she's drawn to it, she's had a biological response.

[SPEAKER_00]: That is normal.

[SPEAKER_00]: There is nothing wrong with that happening.

[SPEAKER_00]: In fact, it's how we were created, which is designed by God, to have a physical response.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's in our biology to how God made it, made us.

[SPEAKER_00]: But she was so she experienced that it's making her want to return to what she's reading and she's curious.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is another great thing for you to talk about with your kids.

[SPEAKER_00]: They need to know that if they see [SPEAKER_00]: or read these stories, they read these scenes, they see pictures that are provocative, they are going to be curious, they might have a physical reaction of a feeling inside of their body, and that is totally normal.

[SPEAKER_00]: But what they should do with that is not just height it, [SPEAKER_00]: ignore it or keep reading or looking or watching instead they should come to you.

[SPEAKER_00]: Let them know if you have those feelings, if you're curious, come tell me I want to help you because I don't want you to take your curiosity and just keep looking.

[SPEAKER_00]: I want you to come tell me so I could help you direct that and answer your questions, direct it in the proper way.

[SPEAKER_00]: So she's curious, she has this physical reaction, and what does she do?

[SPEAKER_00]: She says, I read more books like this.

[SPEAKER_00]: I was never comfortable buying them, so I started looking them up online.

[SPEAKER_00]: And what did that lead to?

[SPEAKER_00]: Porn pop-ups when I googled erotic literature.

[SPEAKER_00]: There's the whole story guys.

[SPEAKER_00]: It started with one book.

[SPEAKER_00]: One book that was in erotic book, it captivated her and aroused her curiosity.

[SPEAKER_00]: It gave her actual a physical arousal.

[SPEAKER_00]: She didn't know what to do with any of it.

[SPEAKER_00]: She was embarrassed, she felt ashamed, but she was curious and she went back for more.

[SPEAKER_00]: But then she didn't want to buy it because that would be embarrassing, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: So she looks it up online.

[SPEAKER_00]: And now, here she is, hook line and sinker.

[SPEAKER_00]: stuck into the world of stuck in the world of pornography.

[SPEAKER_00]: And that is a such a common story.

[SPEAKER_00]: And if you think that [SPEAKER_00]: that's unique.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's just not, listen to this other one.

[SPEAKER_00]: Um, this one is from a lady who said, I thought a 15 year pornography and masturbation addiction that started at 11 years old when I picked up my aunts romance novel.

[SPEAKER_00]: I was an avid reader and I looked to me like a fantasy [SPEAKER_00]: It literally blew my mind in my innocence apart.

[SPEAKER_00]: I started reading erotica online.

[SPEAKER_00]: My parents didn't know much about this new internet thing, and I started masturbating at that age.

[SPEAKER_00]: The filth that I read, it breaks my heart when I think of the innocence stolen for me.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, man, it breaks my heart, too, because there are so many other girls just like her, starting at the age of 11.

[SPEAKER_00]: She said, it breaks my heart when I think of the innocence stolen from me in those pages.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm still in therapy to this day, to help with the shame that I still feel.

[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm thankful for the resources out there on this specific epidemic.

[SPEAKER_00]: The Romanticity trend right now is so dangerous and not just for young girls, but for women of any age.

[SPEAKER_00]: So this is why I want to talk about it because girls, [SPEAKER_00]: Like she said, are having their innocence stolen.

[SPEAKER_00]: They're exposed to things that are dangerous and damaging.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then that leads to further things that are so much more dangerous and damaging.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't have a list of clean and safe and wholesome romance novels.

[SPEAKER_00]: I would say except for Jane Austen, which not every teen girl wants to read, but it's something that I'm going to work on finding for you guys that's not my favorite genre of literature, so I don't have a lot of resources, but [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to try to find resources because I don't think there's anything wrong with romance.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think there's anything wrong with like I said, a wholesome good stories that are romantic.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think they're wonderful.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like I said, I love Jane Austen and I'm sure there are others.

[SPEAKER_00]: The trouble is when books that are erotic, that are filled with graphic sex scenes, are packaged in a way, they're hidden.

[SPEAKER_00]: The truth about them is hidden so that they pull young girls and women into them and expose them to things that they have absolutely no reason to see or to read about.

[SPEAKER_00]: I call it porn on a page and then it catapults them into further into pornography.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I would say guys that parents if your daughter is reading books from the young adult section at your library or your bookstore.

[SPEAKER_00]: It is imperative that you open up those books and you read them yourselves.

[SPEAKER_00]: Go through, look chapter by chapter, look at the chapter titles, look at the back of the book, what is it about?

[SPEAKER_00]: If it's stories about girls and [SPEAKER_00]: meeting some guy at school and they fall in love and break up and meet some other guy, you need to be careful that it's because there's a strong possibility that it's not innocent, that there's a, there are things being talked about in that book that your daughter shouldn't be reading.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not saying that every single one of them is graphic.

[SPEAKER_00]: but is it describing in great detail and make out scene or them, you know, getting to second base or hooking up, that's not stuff your daughter needs to read and you need to be aware that while it might not be fully, uh, [SPEAKER_00]: that it might not be all the way graphic.

[SPEAKER_00]: It is the start because what that's doing is giving your daughter a taste for stuff that she does she absolutely shouldn't read.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's stuff that is dangerous for her.

[SPEAKER_00]: those are just two of the messages that I got.

[SPEAKER_00]: I got so many more and I had quite a few women who said that this topic is overlooked or they are made fun of or people tell them they're approved when they talk about the danger of erotic literature which of course no [SPEAKER_00]: and that they are made fun of or people look down on them because they are talking about it.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so I'm like, hey, I'm not afraid to talk about it.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I've shared this story before.

[SPEAKER_00]: So if you've heard it from me, I apologize, but it's worth repeating right here.

[SPEAKER_00]: This happened a couple years ago when I was speaking at a church and there was a girl who was a teenager and she was [SPEAKER_00]: And I talked about how erotic books these books for young and in the young adult section written specifically for girls are luring many of them into the world of pornography.

[SPEAKER_00]: And when I shared that she yelled from the back of the room and she [SPEAKER_00]: fist pump and said, amen.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, wow, I don't get a lot of that in my dogs.

[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.

[SPEAKER_00]: And at the break, she came up and talked to me and she said, I'm so grateful that you mentioned these kinds of books because I've watched so many of my friends get involved with pornography because they started reading these books and they started reading books that seem innocent.

[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but they have these seams in them that make them want to read more.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so they get the the next book that are even more graphic than that one and the interest grows.

[SPEAKER_00]: And they're like I've said, they're lured in and she said I've watched so many of my friends [SPEAKER_00]: fall into this trap and nobody's talking about it.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so I said, well, I will keep talking about it and that's what I'm doing today.

[SPEAKER_00]: So that's the second thing on the list that I wanted to talk with you about today.

[SPEAKER_00]: We need to be aware of what our kids are reading, especially our daughters, and especially if they're reading books that are label romance, we need to make sure [SPEAKER_00]: things in that quote unquote romance book that are things that they absolutely shouldn't read.

[SPEAKER_00]: So that's my task for you today is to check what your daughter is reading.

[SPEAKER_00]: Also that they could be looking for those things online as well.

[SPEAKER_00]: And if they're reading stuff online, I absolutely guarantee it is so much more graphic and [SPEAKER_00]: dangerous than even what they're reading in a book, a physical book that they get from the library or bookstore.

[SPEAKER_00]: So check what they're reading, whether it's physical books or online, you need to know what your daughter's reading.

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_00]: Now, the last one, the last thing I want to talk about is actually really happy when these are, I shared two stories that are two items that I wanted to talk about that are challenging and difficult and perhaps painful or you feel like it was a lot to take in.

[SPEAKER_00]: But this one is, this one's good news.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I want to talk to you guys about when I spoke at [SPEAKER_00]: in July.

[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't even had the chance to talk about it with you and it was such a powerful and just an incredible experience because it was the first time that I got to share with parents about how to talk to their kids about pornography and then to actually see it happening.

[SPEAKER_00]: I wasn't in the conversations that parents had with their kids, but [SPEAKER_00]: the whole rest of the week at camp after I shared parents were coming up to me and saying [SPEAKER_00]: I got to talk to my kid.

[SPEAKER_00]: I talked to my kid at lunch.

[SPEAKER_00]: We talked while we were walking back from the lake.

[SPEAKER_00]: We went for a walk by the creek and we had the conversation.

[SPEAKER_00]: Before my daughter went to bed, I talked to her about pornography.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't usually get to have the talk with parents and equip them to talk to their kids and then spend the rest of the week with them.

[SPEAKER_00]: I give the talk and then I go home and they go home.

[SPEAKER_00]: and some of them email me or message me and tell me that they did what I suggested, but this was entirely different.

[SPEAKER_00]: I had parent after parent, after parent, come up to me, even grandparents who were there and tell me, here's what happened and it was incredible.

[SPEAKER_00]: In fact, the first time [SPEAKER_00]: Lady came up to me after lunch and she said, I did it.

[SPEAKER_00]: I said, you did it already.

[SPEAKER_00]: She said, yes, from taking him up from his class to walking to lunch.

[SPEAKER_00]: I talked to him about pornography.

[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, oh my gosh, my mind is blown.

[SPEAKER_00]: I just told you how to do this half an hour ago and you've already done it.

[SPEAKER_00]: and it took you the walk from classroom to lunch.

[SPEAKER_00]: It was that short.

[SPEAKER_00]: She said it was that short and it was that easy and here's what she said her son was nine and she said hey buddy have you ever heard of something called pornography and he said oh yeah I have and she said you have and he goes yeah you know like [SPEAKER_00]: biology, geometry, pornography, and she said, Oh, well, it's not quite like those other things.

[SPEAKER_00]: Those are subjects in school.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is actually something, but you wouldn't study in school because it's something that's not good for you.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's not safe, and I wanna tell you what to do if you do ever see it.

[SPEAKER_00]: and the conversation took her like two minutes.

[SPEAKER_00]: And that was what I heard from parents over and over and over again through the whole week.

[SPEAKER_00]: When I shared, I could see the overwhelm in their eyes and in their faces because that's always what I see from parents when I asked them to talk to their kids about pornography.

[SPEAKER_00]: They're overwhelmed, they're afraid.

[SPEAKER_00]: But I give them the tools.

[SPEAKER_00]: I tell them I have a whole book for them to use, and I say you can do this.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's not as difficult as you think it's going to be.

[SPEAKER_00]: And what I saw, what I heard from these parents, was that...

[SPEAKER_00]: I was right, who doesn't love to be right?

[SPEAKER_00]: I love to be right, in this case, it's not as hard as they think, and they were able to have these conversations that took just a few minutes, and they had that, they took that first brave step of protecting their kids from pornography by having the first conversation.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so if you are, you're like, sign me up.

[SPEAKER_00]: I want to know how to do this.

[SPEAKER_00]: I need help.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I wrote a whole book, guys.

[SPEAKER_00]: I wrote a whole book called, It's Time We Talked Your Kids About Pornography.

[SPEAKER_00]: Time We Talked Your Kids About Porn Actually is what the title, the real title is.

[SPEAKER_00]: If for some reason, you're new to the podcast and you didn't know about the book.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna link in the show notes, make it easy for you to find.

[SPEAKER_00]: But also, I'm gonna be doing a seminar.

[SPEAKER_00]: which kind of takes all the info in the book and boils it down into a small one-hour long session where I talk through what that conversation looks like to give you more than just the example you read but to hear it in my voice and to hear out loud what it sounds like.

[SPEAKER_00]: It also gives you [SPEAKER_00]: other information about, you know, the world of pornography right now.

[SPEAKER_00]: Some of the things we even talked about today, I go into in more detail.

[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm going to be doing that online in September.

[SPEAKER_00]: I will, I think I should be able to get the link in the show notes for this episode.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm working on it and it should be ready to go.

[SPEAKER_00]: But if it's not, [SPEAKER_00]: and you don't find it in the show notes, you're going to want to look on Instagram, not on Amazon, on Instagram, and I will have by the time this episode comes out, I will have it ready to go there, and you'll find out how to get tickets, you'll watch it via Zoom, you could watch it live, or you could watch the repeat, because I will send out the recording, [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm going to make it a horribly priced so that everybody who wants to go or come watch it can, because I know sometimes we get the book and it's really helpful, but also hearing it out loud is also really helpful and and that's what I want to do.

[SPEAKER_00]: I want to give you the same experience I had.

[SPEAKER_00]: with those parents at Forest Home.

[SPEAKER_00]: And since I'm talking about Forest Home, my mind is well mentioned.

[SPEAKER_00]: We'll be there again next year, week six.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be such a great time to be at Family Camp at Forest Home.

[SPEAKER_00]: And if you've thought of coming to Forest Home and experiencing family camp yourself, maybe next summer, should be the year.

[SPEAKER_00]: It has been one of the most transformative things in our entire family's faith journey.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's incredible.

[SPEAKER_00]: It is one of the best weeks of our entire year.

[SPEAKER_00]: We love it so much.

[SPEAKER_00]: And if you're a first time family, they have a fantastic, first time family discount.

[SPEAKER_00]: The cabins all have air conditioning.

[SPEAKER_00]: There is food for you all week long.

[SPEAKER_00]: You don't have to cook a thing.

[SPEAKER_00]: And there are great speakers like me and my friends, Brooke and Elizabeth Moser.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so many others, if you don't make it to week six, there's nine weeks to choose from.

[SPEAKER_00]: You'll find a week you can go to, let me know if you have questions.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'd love to talk to you more about forest home, and maybe you could have the experience like those parents that I get to talk to when they realize that talking to your kids about porn, talking to their kids about porn is so much easier than they ever imagined.

[SPEAKER_00]: It just takes some coaching and some courage to get to that first conversation.

[SPEAKER_00]: So, that's a lot of ground to cover in one episode and I hope that this episode you found to be helpful and informative and encouraging.

[SPEAKER_00]: I hope also that it's convecting and it encourages you to [SPEAKER_00]: do to have that conversation with your kids about, you know, sexual integrity being more than just being a virgin when you get married or maybe it encourages you and connects you to check out what your daughter is reading or maybe it's giving you the courage to have that first conversation with your kids or maybe it's the encouragement to sign up for my online class, the seminar that I'm going to [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure you can find something out of all the things we talked about today.

[SPEAKER_00]: And if you enjoyed this episode, if you found it helpful, please please share it with your friends.

[SPEAKER_00]: And please leave a review of the podcast you can't know how helpful that is.

[SPEAKER_00]: And lastly, if you've read my book, it's time to talk to your kids about porn.

[SPEAKER_00]: Would you leave a review on Amazon?

[SPEAKER_00]: I know thousands and thousands of you have read the book.

[SPEAKER_00]: and yet I don't even have a hundred reviews on Amazon.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if it's because people are embarrassed for their name to be on there that they read the book.

[SPEAKER_00]: I actually think that that's part of the reason.

[SPEAKER_00]: People have told me like they're not showing everyone that they've read the book.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I would just say, we don't have the luxury of being embarrassed that we're reading a book about protecting our kids from pornography.

[SPEAKER_00]: We do not have that luxury.

[SPEAKER_00]: It is time for us to be bold and to say, hey, I read this book and it helped my family and it's going to help my kids and I want you to help yours.

[SPEAKER_00]: So share it.

[SPEAKER_00]: share that you've read the book.

[SPEAKER_00]: Share this podcast episode.

[SPEAKER_00]: Share a review on Amazon.

[SPEAKER_00]: You don't know what lives will be changed because you do.

[SPEAKER_00]: And with that, I'm going to end this podcast and say thank you for listening and I can't wait to talk to you next week.

[SPEAKER_00]: God bless you, my friends.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well friends, I hope you enjoyed this episode of the Greta Eskroch podcast.

[SPEAKER_00]: Remember, you can help support the show by liking and subscribing, and especially by telling all your friends about it.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'd be so grateful if you'd also leave a review of the podcast on iTunes.

[SPEAKER_00]: Reviews go such a long way in the success of a brand new podcast like mine.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know I couldn't do this without you.

[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for listening and for being part of my team.

[SPEAKER_00]: God bless you.

[SPEAKER_00]: Bye-bye.