Welcome to Dirty Rush, The Truth about Sorority life with your hosts me Gia Judice, Daisy.

Kent, and Jennifer Kessler.

Welcome back to Dirty Rush.

We're continuing our conversation with influencers who lived the sorority experience firsthand, bringing down what rush was really like, the moments that surprised them the most, and what they wish they'd known going in.

Hi, Chloe, Hi, So where did you go to school?

So?

I went to Syracuse University?

Okay, Yeah, what sorority were you in?

I was in stt Okay, fun, that was the sorority.

When I was at Rutgers.

I was like, Oh, they seem really cool, but like I don't know, yeah.

So different, like every chapter is so different at every school.

I loved it.

Oh that's great.

So what was your Rush process?

Like?

So?

I was so nervous because I knew absolutely nothing about sororities, or especially sororities at Syracuse before going into Rush.

I didn't even know like what the sororities were, anything about it really, and the only research I did was like look on social media.

So before going into RUSH, I had like kind of narrowed it down to like a few houses that you know, like looked cool online that I could like see myself in, but I went in like totally blind, and honestly, the process was pretty good.

Like I was so nervous, but it was like just talking to like like girls and friends and you know, having conversations.

And yeah, I.

Well, so I like went in like kind of knowing like what my top house was.

Like literally the first day RUSH, I fell in love with this house and it totally switched by the end of.

RUSH and I went a different house.

But literally up until the last round, preference round, I was like, I'm going this house and then everything changed and there's like a lot that went into that.

Yeah, well, like what was like the main reasons kind of that you did that?

Like spitch you think.

Yeah, So basically so I was obsessed with this.

House and I was talking to I think it was like after preference round, I was honestly like totally conflicted.

I didn't know which house I wanted to go, and I was like talking to my friends, which they say, don't talk to your friends about it because it's your process, your decision.

And one of my friends had told me that the one house that I like really wanted their nationals had told them that they only wanted me for my social media followers, Oh yeah, which was literally crazy.

So going into school, how many followers did you have?

I think I had around like three hundred thousand on TikTok okay, like around twenty thousand Instagram.

But you still had a pretty you had a pretty big following on TikTok.

Yeah, and it was more than like other girls that I was.

Of course, so people probably did know you going into like going into the rush process.

I mean they also check your background, They look at absolutely everything, They know exactly who you are.

And then were you also nervous that some sororities would want you also because of knowing your sister's following.

Honestly, I was never worried about that.

That's a great question, but I don't think that like ever came across my mind.

But if anything, I thought that maybe would help.

Like I don't know, that sounds horrible, but also like there was a my sister was in a sorority at a different school, and when I was rushing and talking to those girls, I was like, oh, like my sister was actually in the sorority.

She loved it, and then they dropped.

To me, Wow, and that's like not even allowed, Like, but I should have been able to have legacy going into that sorority because your sister was in it.

Yeah.

Yeah, I didn't like love the conversations I was having anyways, but I was surprised.

I thought that it would help.

But yeah, wow.

So then yeah, so then you were talking to your friends, they told you that this one sorority was interested in your following.

Yeah, so then how did that how did you navigate the rest of that experience?

Well, there was also so there was that.

And then also during my preference round, I had spoken to this girl who I absolutely fell in love with, like I was obsessed with her.

I saw her as like she could be like a true sister to me, Like I really looked up to her, and she just a lot of the girls that I spoke to at the house that I ended up going just seemed a lot more genuine and real to me.

And like, reflecting back, I was like, honestly, like, I don't I don't want to go a house where I feel like I have to put on a face for them, Like I want to go where I feel comfortable and a lot of my decision came into like I want to see this girl on mid day because I'm obsessed with her.

I'm obsessed with these other girls that I spoke to.

And also obviously I don't want to go a house that would say that, like that's that's disgusting, that's horrible.

I don't want.

Anything to do with that.

Yeah, did you meet a lot of girls that were like in that sorority throughout your like college time.

I wasn't really friends with a lot of them, especially after I chose the other house.

A lot of those girls were like really mean to me after, Like they would like see me out like the older girls, and they would like make faces or curse at me, Like literally, wow, crazy stuff.

You didn't end up in that one though, I know, And that's bizarre.

Literally, I mean clearly they were just salty because you picked the other house, But to also act like that, it's like, grow up.

Yeah, thank god I made the right decision, made.

The right decision.

And also like they're very aware of how sorority rush works.

And that's the whole thing about frown, where you have your top two houses and you make a decision, so it's a fifty to fifty chance that she's not going to go with you, and you just need to just like it's a fifty to fifty chance that the rest of the girls that you're picking are not going to choose you.

So that's crazy.

Yeah, sorry, that happened.

It's not the end of the.

World, like to die over it.

Were you in SDT all four years?

Yes?

I was, and I loved it involved.

Yeah, I knew that I wanted to be involved like from the beginning just because I don't know, I always loved like kind of being a leader in those types of settings.

So I did.

I was the rush chair twice my sophomore year and then my senior year.

And I also like did the social media.

Yeah, so I know, I know all of the all of the inside scoop and being a rush share.

Oh my god, what can you tell us?

What is a misconception about rush?

What do you think?

Oh?

I don't know.

Was there anything that like shocked you when you were rush shair?

Yes, like basically you know, like every single girl before they come into the house, like you, like we had like all the houses had lists of all the girls like with a picture their hometown, who they're friends with.

They're literally doing a background check on you.

Yes, yes, and it felt wrong, but like it was also fun.

Like like it was like, Okay, I'm getting all the tea before they're even walking in.

There's a lot of like we we had to pair up each girl individually with a girl in our house, so we'd have to like figure out who would vibe with who based on literally pictures, which is awful, but that's kind of how it works.

And obviously you're not supposed to like pair up girls together.

It's supposed to be random, but like most of the houses do it that way.

Did you also gauge your audience into sorority life once you got to school?

Kind of?

I feel like when I got into a sorority, I like wasn't really posting that much because there's so many rules and you have to be careful of like what you post.

And that's something that I didn't love about being in a sorority at first, because like you couldn't post certain things, you couldn't say certain things, and so I kind of had to keep a lot of it like private.

But I don't no, I didn't really speak on social media about like soarty life until honestly, I graduated because I felt more like free and like.

I was like, and you were also on like the EC committee, like you had like you were on EXAC, you had roles in your sorority.

So it's not like you wanted.

You probably did never want, wanted to say the wrong thing.

But now that you're graduated, you're like, I'm free.

Yeah, And I didn't want people and other sorties to like talk about about me or hate me for saying these things.

Yeah, but now I'm free and I'm like, you know what, like it.

Was just a soorty, it was just a sorority.

Yeah.

But did you leave with friends that you still have today?

Yes, of course, I have so many friends in my sorority.

I love.

I still keep in contact with all the older girls, all the younger girls, And that is my favorite thing about being an assorty, like all the people that you meet, and I love being able to have older friends and younger friends.

And also like with Swarty fans, you get super close with them.

And also half of my so my friend group now literally my friend group is the same from a freshman year of.

College to now.

It's ten of us, five of us went at one house and the other five one another house, and we're still all like best friends.

That's exactly how mine was.

Really Yeah.

Yeah, And everybody warns you like your friends will change, which is usually true, but surprisingly we all stay together.

Oh that's great.

Well, Chloe, thank you so much for coming on and telling your story on Dirty Rush.

Hey Chloe, Hi, how are you?

How are you?

I'm good, I'm good.

I'm so excited to be here.

Thank you for thinking of me.

So tell us where'd you go to school?

What?

So already did you end up in?

Okay?

So Syracuse A five very classic Jewish girl from New York went to Syracuse the Jewish Sorority.

I love it.

I love it.

And you have a podcast, right, I do.

It's called We Met at Summer Camp.

I co hosted actually with my best friend who I met at sleep Boy camp and also she went to Syracuse, so we were like camp and college.

So we have a lot to talk about.

And yeah, we're hoping to start our.

Second season at the end of the month, so I'm really excited.

That's amazing And that's so cute that you get to do with your best friend.

That's probably so fun.

It's so much fun.

Did you graduate already?

Yeah, I'm twenty four, So I graduated from Syracuse in twenty three.

Okay wait same yeah, yeah, same.

We're the same age, right.

I've stalked to you a little bit, we have.

Talk.

We're the same age.

That's so fun.

And then on TikTok, you do like some recruitment guides and yess right.

Yes, So I've spoken a lot at different universities, like different hellales and student centers.

So actually eighty five, like my sorority the national Instagram, I guess had reached out about doing a recruitment guide, so I kind of workshops my recruitment guide.

And I also have gained a lot of traction on TikTok and Instagram for doing like rush bag guides and you know what to wear for each round guides.

And I really liked doing it because I think like when I rushed, I wouldn't have considered myself like one of the cooler girls in the grade.

Like I was a theater kid.

I was a theater major in my freshman year.

I did switch after freshman year, but like I came in there being like yeah, like studying drama, and I love broad Like I wasn't like a cool girl by any means.

And I also like I was in the sorority, but I wasn't the most hyper involved person.

I wasn't, you know, so obsessed with it.

It wasn't my identity that said.

I was always incredibly observant and I loved my friends, and I was always thinking, like, how can I help girls make joining a sorority the most positive experience possible?

And I've noticed that like a lot of my following is like, you know, girls in their late teens and early twenties who like this content.

And if I had had TikTok, because I rushed January of twenty twenty when TikTok was like kind of first becoming popular, and I was like, if I had had like older girls doing recruitment guides, like I would have slayed.

I wouldn't have been nervous, I wouldn't worn Bretts in my hair.

No, you did it.

So I was like, you know what, I would have loved to have this, But yeah, I do a lot of recruitment guides.

It's really fun.

Wait, that's amazing.

So like it's like the dos and don'ts, like what to wear and during recruitment, what to not wear, what to expect during rush, like exactly, Yeah.

That's amazing to kind of do some like sketch parodies of like the worst girls you'll meet during rush or oh my gosh.

You're still bringing that theater kid out with these.

Absolutely, I initially like went viral from doing like pov comedy content.

I definitely bring out the theater kid from time to time.

Oh I love that.

That's amazing.

But then, so, how was your rush experience?

Like, yes, you ended up in Alpha FE and it was great, But how was that experience for you?

Because I know you're saying you went into rush brush with barettes in your.

Hair, Like did you ever feel judged or was the experience actually really positive for you?

So it was a fine not Alpha FE and they're.

Oh sorry, it's okay, I'm sorry, it's.

Oh my gosh, it's totally fine.

Well, they're just they're two different houses.

Yeah.

I definitely, like again, lacked a certain level of confidence when I was a freshman in college.

I was definitely still a little bit like awkward and hadn't come into myself yet, which you don't see on social media at all.

Girls who are freshmen like not fully being like confident in knowing who they are.

Yet like I really didn't I knew going in that I think I wanted to be in more of a Jewish yeah already, I mean obviously, like they don't discriminate against people who aren't Jewish, but typically a fine stt are like founded on Jewish value and most of those houses end up being primarily Jewish.

I would say, my mom was in a FI at Oneonta, so I knew I was like a legacy for that house, and it was just sort of a matter of like where I felt more at home.

When I did rush.

It was really scary.

I didn't know a single person going in because my freshman year I was a theater major, which was the theater building was like a mile off campus.

It was very isolating.

It was literally like eight to five we were in the theater building.

I was never on main campus, and these girls would ask me questions and I literally would not know the answers to them, and honestly that sparked me like wanting to change my major.

I was like I am getting up at six am to like roll on the floor and like breathe and pretend to like become an elephant, like I don't even know.

It was just the most bizarre, like if you're in a BFA acting rome, it's like a whole other thing.

And I was like, maybe I want to be on main campus, Like maybe I want to understand what people are talking about, Like if you went to Syracuse you would know this.

Like I didn't know what Varsity Pizza was my freshman year, which is like it's like the like pizza spot on Marshall Street, which is like that main strip.

They were like, how do you not know what that is?

And I was like, I only know the theater building, like you know.

So I definitely had a sense of uncomfortability because I literally didn't know anything.

I felt like all of these girls knew each other or were going in with friends, and I didn't.

I went in with no one.

I went in like completely alone, and whether they really were confident or not, everyone seemed so much more confident than I did, especially I feel like because they knew people already, Like I, Yeah, I wound up choosing a five just because I I just vibed with the girls a lot more than I did in any of the other houses.

Also, I you know, the positive vibe of my mom having been in the house.

I think it was good.

And even though I was very happy with the bid I received, I still felt really lost on mid day because I didn't know anyone, and all of these girls knew each other.

It was literally like they had accepted one like mega friend group of like thirty girls where it was kind of like, you know, two or three friend groups combined into a bigger friend group, and then there were a couple like random stragglers, and we were all like, hey, and my friend group now is comprised of those random stragglers and we're still tight.

I love that.

Yeah, any tips for girls going into like recruitment this semester, I mean, like advice you would give them.

Yeah, I always say one of my main things, and this has nothing to do with the actual physical recruitment, but this is so important to me.

Think about what's going in your bag.

You are going to be out and on your feet all day.

You're not gonna have time to go back to your dorm and like change or eat or anything.

Like.

First of all, it's flu season.

Bring some purel.

You're gonna be like shaking hands with all these people who are like in a stuffy house meeting thousands of girls, Like, bring some purel, bring some wet wipes.

That's I narrowly avoided the flu during rush, and that was huge.

I would say, yeah.

Also bring like makeup, touch ups, perfume, deodorate, breath mints, change of socks, change of clothes if you need it.

Also bring like snacks and water just in case you, you know, get fatigued.

There are so many things.

That's a more like surface tip.

Obviously, I would say just be yourself, because if you're trying to be cool, maybe you'll end up in an objectively like you know, more upper to your house, but you ultimately won't be happy.

Yeah, and you should value your happiness over like the ranking.

I guess because like I think objectively when I had rushed, and I again, I don't really know how it is like now or what had happened, but I think when I rushed, like SDT was cooler than a five quote unquote or mixed with better frats.

But I didn't really care so much about that.

I was like, I think I would be kind of uncomfortable.

Yeah, if you were in that.

Yeah, And that's honestly so good that you know yourself that well.

And then after going through that rush process and finding you know your home, is that when you started your tiktoks?

Like when did your following come about?

I did not start my TikTok until after college.

I was really I had like randomly one viral video during COVID, but I think everyone randomly had one viral video during COVID.

Yeah.

I had one video during COVID that got like three million views, and since it was like that COVID era, that one video gave me like, you know, fifteen thousand followers, which is insane because that would never happen now.

And then I didn't post.

I was just like I was embarrassed, like you know, and that was like I also wanted the older girls and my stroorty to like think I was cool, yeah, and so I didn't.

I didn't post very much.

And then it was actually like a week or two before I graduated.

I was freaking out.

I didn't have a job lined up, I had no idea what I was going to do, and I was like thinking of all the things that I was good at, and I just started posting.

I posted this one video and it got like one hundred two hundred thousand views, and I was like, Okay, I feel like I can I can get behind this, like I can start doing it.

And I started really fully posting like five six months after I graduated, and I would go full throttle and post like five times a day and really try to get and at that time I did end up having a different job and now I do it full time, but it it took.

It definitely took a bit to like grow the following and now I've been doing it full time for about a year, which is really amazing.

Yeah, Kllie, I'm glad you know, sorority life and all of the experiences helped you find your bit and you know, helped you really express yourself and obviously your podcast.

That's amazing.

But thank you so much for coming on Dirty Rush today.

Hi, Audrey, are y'all good?

How are you welcome to Dirty Rush?

Good?

Thank you.

So you went to the University of Texas, right, yes.

Yeah, and I graduated in twenty twenty.

Four and what.

I was in Alpha Kai okay awesome.

Yeah, how was your like whole experience being in a sorority.

I loved being in a Sowartie.

I was.

It made my college experience, especially going in from out of state.

I'm from California and then I went to University of Texas and so that was a big thing going through Rush, also being out of state, but also finding the friends and home away from home kind of thing for sure.

Definitely switched up going from California to Texas.

Yeah.

I actually was born in Texas then did the high school in California, so I wasn't completely blind to it all.

But still say you say y'all.

I was like, I feel like it's in California.

Don't say y'all unless you inherited that from going to ut Yeah.

My parents are always they've been from the South, and I also picked it.

I would have picked it up from yout Honestly, I think y'all is a great word.

It's fun, it's fun, it's cute, charming.

But I mean, clearly you had a really great experience because now you have a recruiting coach business called the Sorority Sister.

Yes, so tell us about that.

Yeah, so I started it.

I've been on social media for a while.

I started posting YouTube videos in high school and it's now my full time job.

And so through that content, I had been posting like social like Soorty content of living in the house and already kind of giving Rush advice through that.

So you kind of documented your whole experience of doing it when you were a freshman.

Yes, so, like I have a full to vlog of me going through Rush crying on camera, like all the details my freshman year, which is also just so fun for me to look back on.

Too, so fun to look back on stuff like that.

So then what made you really want to start this recruiting coaching business?

So I wanted to have all of the advice and everything in one so something different about the Soorty Sisters.

We offer an online course, so it's videos for me talking through everything, and it's way more accessible than one on one coaching can be from a price point standpoint.

And so I wanted to make all of the information more accessible and more like put together in one place versus scrolling through all my videos and it kind of being all over the place.

And I have a partner, Kendall.

She was in a sortia ole miss and so she also came to me with this idea and we were the perfect pair, And I started it in twenty twenty three, right before my senior year of college, so we made the course at that point.

Also, my younger sister was going through Rush, and so it was on the top of my head of like being that older sister figure from my sister, and also like, how can I help girls who don't have that older sister, who don't have the experience knowing about what rush is.

That's awesome, that's so cool.

How many girls do you have, Like, is it like usually like per rush that you work with.

Yeah, So we started in twenty twenty three and then that was when we were kind of only doing We have two different courses.

We have a pre Rush Prep Club course, which talks about all the before things, so like your resume registration, all the things that you're kind of doing in the summer and how to prep for that.

And then the Rush week course where it talks about what actually happens in those houses, what you should talk about, how to prepare yourself for, like how to make this decision of what sorority to go to.

And then it last last year in twenty twenty five, we started doing one on one clients.

So we've kind of grown and still our main focus is the course clients, and we've grown throughout the years and each year new girls go through Rush, which is so exciting, Like I love now the girls that are going to Rush in fall twenty twenty six are starting to get into colleges and already starting to reach out and thinking about Rush, which I love because I think starting earlier just helps you feel more confident and prepared going into Rush in fall.

Yeah, definitely.

What do you think the biggest takeaway of your courses?

I think we really focus on what you want and feeling confident in yourself.

So going in to Rush with the goal of finding your forever friends because that's what I found in a sorority, and I think that it's more than just going the top house or going what you're maybe want you wants you to go.

It's more about where are you going to find your best friends and the people that like you want to spend college with.

And so we really think about in the course, like what are you looking for in a friend?

What kind of friend are you?

What do you want out of this sorty experience?

And then Taylor that to how do you show these girls during Rush what your qualities are and what you want to find that good match.

Oh, I love that.

So it's more so of like about what's on the inside.

That's what's not what's on the outside.

Yeah, And I mean we talk about the outfits and what to say because that's what RUSH is.

And it's almost kind of like I think of it too as an interview process if you want to be prepared going into an interview, and RUSH can be so overwhelming that just having more knowledge and information about it and kind of prepping what you want to say about yourself and talk to just really helps going in confidently and will help you more yourself in this like crazy situation that RUSH is.

You know, that's so fun.

And so your friend Kendall, right that you do?

And how did you guys meet?

So I actually met her, she was my I met her through my internship that I had.

She was my internship like kind of mentor and met her through that.

And she's the CMO of a company, so she has all the marketing brains and so we're the perfect pair.

And I think that she also brings another perspective of kind of what Russia used to be and all of the traditional southern things that you look for.

She was recruitment counselor at her Soarty years ago, and so she kind of knows the ins and outs of behind the scenes when I bring in the newer perspective of what girls are looking for on social media and like in these new times.

Did you go through rush coaching yourself?

No?

I didn't, so I I went in.

I mean, my mom was an Ausrity.

I knew I wanted to be an Ausrity.

I had known, like my cousin and one of my other older friends had gone through rush, but very I knew very minimal information.

And I always say I rushed in twenty twenty, so it was virtually and I always say I'm so glad that it was virtual because I would have not been prepared to rush in person at a school like Texas, but I didn't.

I know a lot of people who have rush coaching, and it's very common, especially at the kind of school that I go to, But now I didn't have a rush coach myself.

Where do you hope to take your company in the future.

I really want to this year bring the course more in person and talking to girls in person, because right now it's very virtual in me just filming videos and them watching, but I love when I get to interact with the girls going through rush.

I got to last year ago to University of Georgia and University of Flo during their rush, and that is really my favorite part, is connecting in person and so really bringing the course to life in person where your mom can come with you, mother daughters and you can kind of network and also just ask questions and be more in an in person environment and learning from that.

So then you're there like on campus while they're going through recruitment.

Yeah, but also I would like to I mean, really the prep works before rush happens, but I did go to a couple of schools last year and just kind of talked to girls as they went through rush.

They needed like that extra support kind of.

Yeah, at that point, it's just kind of encouragement, like the sortie sister.

We really focus on prepping you before you show up on that day.

But it's fun to be that like face of encouragement kind.

Of thing, definitely, and to be like a part of that too.

Oh my gosh.

It's so fun, especially at the bigger schools, just seeing all the girls going into the houses again, like I rush virtually and then during school when you are a swarty girl, you're locked in the house like you don't get to see the p and ms outside until they come and talk to you.

So it's fun fully being like on the outside of it and seeing all everyone.

Well, Audrey, thank you so much and best of luck with your company, the sorority sister and I hope in person is in your near future.

But thank you for coming on Dirty Rush.

Thanks guys, thank you.