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And welcome back to another episode of No Sealer's podcast with your host.

Now fuck that with your load glasses alone?

He said, what up, King, what's happening?

I'm killing bro.

I'm trying to maintain your man's over here on the East Coast cause of the havoc, man causing havoc.

I'm finna get on this Northwest with this dude over here talking about tricking.

That's an embarrassment to the West Coast.

You can't be tricking.

Won't do no tricking.

Don't do no tricking.

Man, Man, how are you?

We don't do no tricking?

And King is trick capital trick out.

Don't hold up buying my time back cars?

Hold on, hold up, glasses, can you give me a favorite?

Man introduced me to this gentleman and the white the white hat.

Waight there, man, because this is you know, I have a problem.

Hold on, I have a problem when they're legends and I don't I'm not all knowing like that man, So it's probably.

Shure.

So first ballot Hall of Famer out the streets, true hip hop connoisseur and product of it put on and and and and.

Inspired by the original Curtis blow By, big Onie, Kiki Loco, the low manc Bro.

That's my gummy, That's that's Let from Queens.

That's my man, Trap from Queens.

Trap just trap young though he Yeah, you're younger than me, k so I can finally say that now it feels good to say somebody younger to you and p already Yeah yeah.

I mentioned the studio one time.

What's crazy is trapped is the youngest person with no sagas the youngest person sing.

What up?

So crip harder lex.

They did that, so that was just the new thing that they just felt like.

Good work, good work.

Three forty three Yep, I'm the young.

He was that old Saian yet three damn.

So the reason I assembled this council, right, and it's people that I respect their opinions.

There's no shenanigans here.

I was looking at this interview with LaToya Jackson one time off the Night Machine from the King.

I was looking at this interview with LaToya Jackson, and I don't know if you guys remember, but LaToya Jackson in real time accused Michael Jackson of that you know.

Horrible act.

Yah And she did an interview with Barbara Walters where she recandidate recently.

Yes, and she said the guy she was dating, which was this wealthy I think he was a Jewish man.

He was putting pressure and gave her the script, and you know, she said he had a big problem and she was just listening to her husband, which is crazy.

Because you don't list your husband and go against your brother.

That's great, they'll do it though.

They'll do that definitely.

Johnna and Penis relationship are really unique.

But that's not the thing.

The thing that kind of caught me off guard is when Barbara Walters asked her did she feel Michael Jackson had any responsibility in his death?

Because LaToya Jackson feels like Michael Jackson was murdered, and she said, did he feel like he had?

She asked LaToya did she feel like Mike had any responsibility in his own death?

And she said no, because people shouldn't have been given him drugs.

And I think.

Over the last like probably ten to fifteen wheears at YEP were Mac Miller different people where something happened, something happened to where now the dealer is more at fault than the person doing the drug.

That's been like that for decades.

That's why you get a bunch of years for selling somebody something and you get rehabbing a pad on the back if you get.

Cough smoking something, does that seem fair?

No, it's bullshit and they get stupid.

Okay, Pepe first, Pete, I mean you gotta look at it podcasts over, you gotta look at it towards the the using that the user and the supplier like that, you know what I'm saying, And like you kind of you're kind of fixing on on somebody's addiction or something like that, so they can look at it.

So, h how do you get it?

Do by the suppler supplying them with it, know what I'm saying, by choice?

So the supplier hangs out in the bushes and low dark and pops out.

That's why I always that's that's why I always say.

I always say it's a difference between being a pusher and a hustler.

You know what I'm saying.

A pusher gonna push the gonna push something on you.

You know what I'm saying.

Hustle a gonna just let you know that you got it.

You know you could you can get it from the low you know what I'm saying like that.

Here's my take.

Here's my take on this.

The issue started happening when the drugs that was in the black neighborhood is when the white people start coming there to get them.

You know, when that happened, they had to start taking us out of there, the drug you know, the ones that's selling the drugs, because now that other community is now partaking in these drugs going to the black community to get them.

So they felt they take the drug dealer out the equation.

Then what's what's so crazy is this story?

Right?

Like that was the way it went back in the eighties and nineties and stuff like that.

Nowadays, these drugs, these kids are on now, the people on nowadays.

It started in the white neighborhood first and came out of the white neighborhood to the black neighborhood.

So like that, you know what I'm saying, all them pills and all that ship, all them pills and everything that ship was that was that wasn't.

That wasn't what I'm saying.

Our lives, all our lives, y'all, y'all missed that nugget that Pete just dropped, which one.

That's how would always been what's that.

You should go back further.

I mean things don't import into that community first.

Mm hmm.

So that's not usually that that that's not typically the flow chart.

Mm hm.

I get what you're saying.

Like sometimes I realized, like with PCP, like I was looking up when PCP was an actual man, it was a medicine, and then the recipe just happened to get outside in the streets.

I still I would love to do a document I would love to do a documentary lex about the true origin of crack mm hmm.

Like I feel like we have a very still general idea that probably should be more fine tuned than it is.

Like it's very general, like I think it's somewhere from north north Califa, California, northern California, and but it still feels so vague and brothers ain't necessarily chemists.

So I would love to find out exactly the true origin of crack, Like that would be a fire documentary to run down the true origin of where crack came from.

I don't think it's it's not like that complicated, like to me taking cocaine and turning into crack, It's not like you just trip and fall and land and it becomes cracked because you dropped it on the floor.

But if you look at like turning suda fed into meth or making PCP, those are far more complex.

Sure, I don't know, I don't know.

Because you do that shit the wrong way, you gonna lose it.

You're gonna lose some shit.

What were you you he's gonna you're gonna lose.

You're gonna lose that problem.

Put that wrong, I mean that shop that don't come back right.

That's but.

The piece point.

If you cook pc P wrong, you're gonna lose your life and everybody there.

And and it's hard look at just look at the ingredients side and the other ones.

And drops and all, like I know exactly what it taken a friend of mine.

That's how baby pet dog died.

Kiki m you know what I mean, called then and it sucked him up.

He took some he took some bad stuff.

It wasn't properly, no.

He was They was doing the show.

Call it the show.

When you make pc P, they call it the show, or they call it doing the burn.

And it's funny right next because it's all this smoke and there's no fire.

That's how reactive the chemicals are.

And if you do, if you introduce certain parts of it to just you know, atmosphere moisture, it'll create a gas that will kill everybody, could create an explosion.

It's blue houses up in real time.

I don't know if he remember this.

It happened to the front hoods, you know what I mean.

It was like a big thing.

So and one of my best friends.

This is Kendrick's first cousin.

That's how my boy died, you know what I mean, That's how he really died.

He died.

So just in the process of cooking it, yeah, preparing it, they can go wrong and kill.

It killed like four people.

Moisture any moisture, tear it up like like real PCP, like real shirm is so strong you can't light it with fire.

You have to use another cigarette, use lit cigarette and then you cigarette call lighter or car lighter too, call lighter.

That's what I've seen people.

You It was like, wait, so you can't put a flame through it up your face flashback on, Well, how the fuck do you know this stuff trapped?

How do you know this wasn't over here like that?

Telling all this stuff on itself.

No, So I was I was stripping off that, and I was like, it's it's to a place now where it's so bad, bro, where it's like damn, like they are making the actual person that's addicted to that drug like a victim.

And I always thought drug transaction was a victimless crime.

That's like right, like like prostitution, Like buying prostitutes is a victim of crime.

Two decisions to people making decisions, I can't go with them that because there's knowing just knowing, like like I got people that you know what I'm saying, and they and they members is part of the fellowship and ship, you know what I'm saying, being an attic disease.

You know what I'm saying that they can't really like it's like being a deal.

You're kind of kind of feeding on the disease right there, you know what I'm saying.

I mean, Okay, you contract.

Here's a question.

Let's say a really let's say you own a McDonald's franchise and queens and a really fat person pulls up to the McDonald's and they want to order ten cheeseburgers, seven fries, six drinks, five nuggets, four apple pies, three Sundays, and they like, it's for me a diet coke, right, knowing that they could actually that they could give them that heart attack.

At that point, it should you be charged if that person hasn't heart attack because you kind of catered to it.

Glasses don't have to cut you off.

You have to be.

They do, that's the fact.

But they can sell you.

The first was drink that night.

Yes, and when they think that you you two faded, they'll cut you off.

Somebody.

Somebody once sued McDonald's for that for that right there.

They won.

They won, Yeah, they won.

They need to be a class action lawsuit.

Be great.

They won for saying McDonald got their fat.

Yeah.

McDonald's want to come off the salads.

That's why they came.

Nick Sands an old school hustle myself.

I always took pride in having the best quality.

I thought that the best quality also made the job easier and faster.

The only ones who would get upset were the competing, competing and hustles.

You know what I mean that you know I was done.

I mean I remember I don't want to go into too many details, but I remember going heavy and being being done and weekend, you know what I mean something that you know I would never get off that quick where I'm from, So I.

Mean I'm the same way.

Yeah, I don't want the home.

When my homies were starting to cut, PCP would break fluid and all these cheap cuts, like I never wanted to cut my shit, Like I always prided myself in that.

And it's funny because as I've grown up right and got older, being blessed to make it to I'll be forty six, and you know, in a week or two, that's the only thing I don't regret being a game member.

I regret selling drugs.

And the only reason I regret selling.

Drugs is I realized if you really love somebody, you gotta protect them from themselves.

That's kind of my problem.

It's like, but I don't know if we can hold the world to that same standard, you know what I mean?

Like I think I could hold myself because I felt it.

I felt it on my own.

But responsibility is a bilateral commitment.

M It's not to say the one doesn't cancel out the other, but it's not only on the one.

Right by getting the dealer though, don't you think they make it that way.

That's the that's the objective.

Yeah, but also look at this, it's also political.

For every one dealer, there's five to ten users, so it's always easier to demonize the smaller number and victimize the larger number.

Mm hmmm.

That's strategic.

That's and that's true beyond crime, beyond anything.

Make the big bank the bad guy, and everybody below him is the victim because it's one entity.

And then you tell a million people it's not their fault.

Everyone loves you.

Yeah, that's crazy.

But I saw that they arrested mc miller, the dude that sold mcmiller drugs, and I was like, he.

At though.

Drug though it's like still a yeah, but he had like boys like he had on in the coat.

He said, I mean, that's what they cut me with My sisters.

My sister's neighbor, her daughter, when her daughter was her first year.

It was the first yet they might have seen the article.

It was the first year going to duke and she had she had she had bought some drugs from the dude, from the dude she was checking out with some boy, bought some bought some bought the drugs from some dude.

They she hit She hit the coke one time, and they got the whole ship recorded.

It's on video.

Hit the coke one time, passed out, They dragged it back up in the room.

You know what I'm saying.

She ended up dying.

They ended up locking the do They lot the dude up.

They locked the dude up.

Who sold in the drugs.

You know what I'm saying.

Everything was on recorded because it was on the campus when when this happened and all that, and they lot the do it.

I think they do it up.

beIN like they got like ten years or something like that for.

The dude showed the work for mc miller got seventeen years.

Yeah, yep, right, yeah it was.

It's like I never done any of these drugs, but like I'm gonna offered every drug on earth a thousand times, like any anything pressed or powdered.

I'm just like, it's too easy to step on this ship.

I don't know your hand.

I don't care what you told me it is.

I don't know they putting fettie on the weed.

Man, she was waking up there.

I'll be saying these kids nowadays, man, Yeah, good sir, because nowadays playing Western Roulette.

Man trying to get trying to play around with drugs like Western Roulette.

Right now, these kids, man, wait, wait, wait can you can You don't have the same effect.

Oh yeah, if you breathe it in, it's gonna take touched your skin.

No, I don't believe that.

I don't believe that.

I don't believe that it's that bad.

It's not letting d know.

It's not strange trip video, all right, take you out.

You can't let touch your skins series.

The body camera videos videos or fake huh.

The body camera videos.

Are actual human beings testing it.

Six is real.

Yeah, yeah, you can't feel smoke can kill you.

So what did we say?

Is that a residue thousand being digestive smoking.

It has to be like a small small dose of smoking.

Do It's gotta be super small for you to not die from it.

That's why white people step on it with meth.

Yeah.

I was at the grocery store a.

Cool step, like it's a cold step glasses.

This is a funny story.

I'm at this nice boutique grocery store about parent's house in Credit Dumore, and and I'm trying to get a nice coffee at night for the next morning.

Some guy walks up and he looked kind of funny, and he's like, hey, man, what's like the strongest coffee that you have that they have here, like the strongest.

And I look at him like there's some odd I mean it's coffee.

And I look him up and down like, oh, I know what the fuck he wants.

I go, oh no, no, no, I said, those those pre workout, those big cans, those power fucking c force, and that's go get that, get that, and then get that because I know exactly what he wanted.

He needed something super strong case it came.

Up, Yeah, exactly, pick them up some more coffee that phenol.

I mean, it ain't gonna you better know, even when they give it to you at the hospital, like they give it to you and micro in the small as dose.

I remember being so scared I had surgery on my leg.

When I had surgery not that long ago, two years, man's like, yeah, we're gonna give you a little fit and I'm like, no, trap, I was so scared.

I'm like no, They're like.

No, we know.

I didn't know.

No, I don't know.

Nurse get it wrong.

And when she was in the hospital, Nick you and Nick she was Preemi.

They gave her find off so that was like they was like, yeah, they gonna give her.

Fan All I was been like saying, where you are g Like what you mean, fin.

You need to tide the law threes?

Or what's in the middle?

I mean, what's in the middle all the time?

All three?

What's in the middle?

A trap?

Is that bad bro?

I will pro four hundred puts me to sleep?

Oh sing like that, Yeah, you ain't got in tolerance.

But but but they they they they saying that like all that you can't touch it and all that like that.

That's not like, that's not They're making it seem like like that to that point to make sure people understand that it could possibly kill you.

You know what I'm saying.

But it ain't like I'm not I'm not seeing people smoking that ship man, you know what I'm saying.

And me right there and you know what I'm saying, like that sh is it's wild.

It's a wild drop.

But I think what it is though, what it is tu though is its a lot of this that people be thinking this fan thol, that shit comes from China, that sh ain't even fin though it should be some whole other ship.

The niggas agree with you.

Might be some the stuff, but the spoken that are usually not smoking pure fitting all.

I agree with you, they're not smoking pure fitting all.

Yeah, I agree with you.

At that trap are the most like sliding scale, you know, exposure of like drugs, you know what I mean, Like like opiate based drugs are the most like like the novice gets you know whatever.

And you have people who are who like addicts that could just just pound it and it doesn't all right.

So I try to opiate, like because the pain that they gave me when I came home, they gave me some opiates and I took that ship one day and I couldn't feel nothing.

I said, no, I never I just do with the pain.

I just deal with the pain.

Bro.

This is just too much.

And it gets you and it gets you like this to real quick.

Get you right.

So, I mean, if you could have this type of you know what I'm saying, if you can have this type of account on ability out a dealer, and how don't you have this type of accountability with these companies letting this ship get out their back door?

Man?

Yo, you ever watched the documentary they got that's what's the name of that company?

Man, Damn man, it's a big company, man.

And they it's the dude who made the who made the oxy contans, the dude who made the oxy conans.

Bro.

They got like a whole they got.

It's a dope documentary.

Be it's like a biopick up.

Yeah, it's called Purdue.

Purdue Actually was it called pur Do?

I think that's what it might be called that that's that chicken place, right?

No, No, it's so they make the they make the westerning too, they made they made the oxy Conans.

And the way they did it though, it was just wicked because it was like they they was telling them.

They got through by saying it wasn't gonna be addictive, and they had the ft the f DC like that claim that it wasn't addiction.

It was you can't get addicted to it.

This that this.

Meanwhile, they knew in their mind that it was going to be the crazy addicted drug though, and they was gonna you know what I'm saying, And they was passing it through.

They was passing it through you know what I'm saying.

Yeah, Yeah, FDA FDA DA.

Yeah, because I wonder if I had that job, would I'll be just letting shit go through so I could buy a boat this year I take the drug, you know what I mean.

I'm just you know, trying to let the people that need to I can imagine like the type of way you rationalize it to your own mind when you let these type of things happen.

Right, you know, just a boat.

I just need to vote for it.

You know, we need to pull the second mortgage.

My kid needs to go to college, right, and you like, you know this, this this oxy came you know, yeah, I saw the you know what, it'll help some people get rich.

Yeah, yeah, that was what you That's a real question though.

Like if you're providing something that for every one hundred and ninety nine are helped in a hundred or hurt, where's the line where that's an acceptable ratio versus not, Because when you scale it out to a population of a third of a billion people, now those that one percent becomes very large.

Yeah, it was wicked what they was going on.

Man, I always see it.

I say, we gonna know what really happened thirty forty years from now.

You know what I'm saying, like the same way we ended up finding out about the Nicaragua thing, how they were bringing the drugs and giving it to the people all like that, the real story gonna come out that dy, you know what I'm saying that.

You know, they knew what was going on in the whole town.

They knew what was going on.

They knew the effect that it was having on the people.

But they came up or they benefited off of it.

They made a lot of money.

Do you think it goes with Lee?

It's all the same things.

Listen, that's all the same sop it and they and they used it and the buffer.

What they did within that though, Man, was just crazy how they how they made it like like the whole story with the activist thing.

You know what I'm saying, Like activists was was making a whole bunch of money on it.

And the rappers started talking about it crazy and stuff like that, and they felt like, Yo, we got a bad name on it.

So we're not gonna We're gonna We're gonna still distribute these pills right here, but we're not gonna distribute the court serve no more.

After I made a gang roll of money off the ship though already on the right, you know what I mean.

So it's just it's crazy with the lamp.

And I don't know if the CEO of that company was necessarily a DJ screw fan or not.

It took a while to hear the remixes.

And once future of them started saying and all that right there.

But at which place are you responsible for society?

Like is it McDonald's at this point?

Like you know what?

Fuck it?

You know?

And when is it?

Like what?

That's why I get mad.

I cannot sell out like that.

I'll see what you said.

When is it when somebody abuses something that you just put out there.

That you have to pay for it?

Yeah, I like you had you're putting it out there with but there are a all that it is and you're saying, probably like the Surgeon General warning you put it out there, and if they still take it and still, how are you responsible to their decisions?

And and and it's the same question if McDonald's disappeared tomorrow, the people gonna become fitness things.

No they're not.

They're just gonna eat the next fat thing.

That's true.

Like somebody, yeah, somebody going yeah, somebody by, so somebody gonna sell it?

Would you say a key, I was saying, I would like the opportunity to talk to somebody that want to sold me something, to see their accountability.

To sold you.

Somebody sold you some ship.

That's not even fair though I just did that.

I feel like that though, Key, like that ship makes me feel like ship.

It don't matter that you asked to buy it from me.

It makes me feel like ship.

You could have fucked some people lives up to the point where.

I used to sell Kiki sharm.

Oh, that's what he was saying, like that, but.

Wow, this is but No, I was young and dumb, you know.

I didn't like I don't get me wrong, I was educated, but like it felt normal in this environment.

I didn't and I didn't know no other environment.

Sometimes I look at myself like a piece of shit, not just for something that happened with kicking, because I didn't even look at Shtern bad though, you know what I mean.

I didn't look at sharp as bad.

Like I sold some of my best friend's mother crack and I didn't think about it like that's what was happening.

You know, I'm like, I'm selling it in my mind, I had convinced myself that I was a businessman.

I'm selling a product.

People want to buy the product, and I prided myself on having the best product, and I didn't really have to trip like if somebody Mom, like you know, they was gonna buy I used to have that mentality trap they gonna buy it from somebody?

Mind will be.

So like like I love Kiki, bro, Like Kiki is like Mom like my mother's brother to a degree, you know what I mean?

He know my mom likes somebody who I've always respected my whole life growing up, your trail blazerd and this thing that we call West Coast hip hop.

And it's like I would have never been able to separate this as something being bad.

It took years of me maturing to be like, maamn, if you love somebody, why would you selling PCP.

And it's like when my mind I used to think to myself like, well, you know they gonna get it from somebody, Well I should have let him get it from somebody that's not me, you know what I mean.

And then I'm selling somebody else mom PCP or somebody else you know older hommy PCP.

And you steal a piece of shit, because then you know that somebody else older hommy.

That's why I always say, like, the one thing I regret about all the street life is selling drugs.

Like that's the one thing I don't you know, gang bag and you know, shooting a nigga fighting nigga, that's cool because you had to come in, But selling drugs is probably like the scummiest thing I ever did.

I swore to God.

And you think if you think if a person at an opportunity to do something else, they wouldn't do it.

If you get chos like all right, bro, you could you could work.

You could do this job right here and get paid the same amount of money that you get paid for selling these drugs right there, which you think, I think a person whin I think we're choosing to do it though a lot of people will take a second choice.

Everybody, if not for if not for the risk component alone.

That way, because bust drug users bad things or they do bad things because of the drugs.

Do you feel that way because of that?

No?

Kiki is fine, Bro, Kiki mind's work.

I mean if it affected Kiki, I would have never knew you know what I mean?

So it's not like this, like I'm looking at a long and lasting effect, Like I don't know he would know before I would know.

You know what, may's selling drugs bad to you if it's not because it harms people, it.

Do in that moment, you know what I mean?

Like man, I used to carry keky home, you know what I mean?

Like that's how much he was my nigga.

Like that's how much I looked up to him, like I could sell him some water for me.

He just got this, you know, big information's good news, and he comeing to celebrate with mommies and like that's how I was, Like I swear to God on On Olivia Bro, I didn't carry kiky home, you know what I mean?

Because it's fucking keky loak, Like it's like, nah this you know what I mean?

It's nigga know my mother, Like he means something.

So then I think now, and I think I start thinking that this at thirty six, Like damn, if a nigga mean something to me, why would I be selling them something?

Even if I knew he didn't, he wasn't thinking clearly right because again, we all come from these backgrounds and you know niggas party out of the party.

But it's like I should have knew better, you know what I mean?

And I feel like that, So like that's that's you know, this conversation.

I'm mad that he's here because I had this conversation set with Pete this morning and I had no idea this motherfucker was.

Gonna be it.

So now that makes me feel like blame this ship.

I feel like a piece of ship nowhere probably pressed you like it?

He for he for sure ship?

Yeah, low cut back.

It's it's like that's God for you, though, bro Lex, that's God for you.

Because I hit Pete with this ship early this morning.

I was like, people, we need to do a poe for tomorrow.

Feel me, I got this idea.

I was looking at this latoy when I set it to him and everything, and I'm like, now we're talking about it, and he just fucking reminded me, you know what I mean?

Lex, Like, God, damn it, you know what I mean.

This is a horrible time to have this conversation because now it's like accountability in front of strangers and ship who ain't been around to know that version of me.

So now that version of me becomes real versus you know, It's one thing when we talk about how we live and then we talk about it in the pasting.

It's another thing when it's in your face and then you're reminded, like damn, man, Like I remember sucking up like you know what I mean, and him bringing it up, him saying that, like I wondered.

You know, it's like God, damn what I mean make you feel like shit?

So that's something real shit for your eyes, bro, Yeah, yeah.

Man, that's God for you.

Like, yeah, you thought you felt something, now your asshole, you know what I mean?

Bringing somebody right here that you used to sell drugs too.

You know what I mean?

So BEAUTI for day trap, beautiful trap.

You know what I find while I remember the first time I found out my homeboy was selling to my best friend.

My god, I would with a whole family.

I wrote some dishonorable ship for him.

You know what I'm saying, because I love him that much.

Man.

He saved my life several times.

And.

I found out he told me, like, yo, you know one of our other homeboys.

Now this is my mind.

You I'm in Howard Now I'm away from the game.

I'm done right, he says, yeah, yeah, you know what the name mom was doing this and doing that, And so as I was doing that, I said, Yo, do you know better?

Bro?

That was the code was no pregnant woman, no family, no more in the poor year of spared and the fuck all that?

Fuck that and what did you say?

You didn't get it from somewhere else anyway.

That's exactly what he told me, man, And I was very depressed about that, bro.

But what I had nothing to offer him?

Their tangers, like your tanger, your path.

So it's just like you just have to eat that one.

I always we occasionally.

I think we talked about it about five years ago.

This is twenty something years ago.

But I think we are the cause of the destructive destruction of our neighborhoods.

When it first entered the world room rules, there were rules, there was a moral code.

But somehow I don't know.

That's what I don't understand how we lost that.

It just became every man for themselves.

Honestly, Bro, I don't even fuck how much of us coming back.

I remember selling PCP to a pregnant woman, and I remember just thinking like, what the fuck am I thinking?

Because I would have never sold crack to a pregnant woman, but I remember selling PCP to a pregnant woman and just thinking to myself, like those become the beginning of the.

End things to me, you know what I mean.

Where it's like, right, y'all, it's no way I got all these aids in this thirteen twenty on them, I say, teaser and I've sunk in this load for ten dollars a poor, A twenty dollars poor.

It's no fucking way.

And God starts to do this thing, you know, with my karma, you know what I mean, Where it's like, nigga, you know what I mean, God will nigga me fast?

Nigga for bro for real?

Like I didn't kept you out of prison, right I didn't.

You're earning your money.

I'm protecting you.

Really, you know what I mean.

And that kind of stuff like that started happening.

You know, it's one thing to sell it to a bunch of gang.

Bangers, right.

PCP is a real active gang banger type of drug.

It's not like like no PCP heads like it's lex.

There's people that's really putting in work, you know, and they taking what I'm talking about famis the rot.

That's why I knew all the riding this dudes from the city, Inglewood Fast, all the gangs.

I knew the coldest dudes because they was buying water from me, So you know what I mean, I knew them even when I came into business.

I named my first CD after the water that I made popular, White Lightning.

You know, I mean, it's clear, it's clear PC.

PCP used to come yellow, but the preparity and the pipe was clear, so it made the water clear and I had to brand it to sell it, and I got so much of it off, and I just named my CD that, so everybody in the streets knew who it was, because they might be like glasses all way from Watts or all way from Seventh Street when they heard White Line and they're like, oh, yeah, I know that is that's that nigga.

So it makes me feel like shit and like that is fucked up, Like that's fucking with me.

You know, Keiki being right here in this conversation happening right now, it sucks.

It fucking sucks, you know what I'm saying, because.

It's like, damn, sig you fucked up.

No, he didn't fuck up.

That was God, bro, because there was no way when I hit Pete this morning when we first figured out we was gonna have this conversation based around LaToya Jackson and fucking him, and then he's right here and he's able to remind like, y'all, I wonder how you feel about selling certain people God telling drugs.

God damn.

It hit me like, oh shit, you mean I know that.

That's like wow, Like you know what I mean?

And that's what I'm saying when people think it's something to be proud of, like when they hear jay Z, Like, I don't hear pride when I hear talk like I don't from any real de boy, you don't hear pride.

You hear a sense of accomplishment at times, but you don't hear pride.

Nobody's proud they sold drugs, you.

Know what I mean.

You just it was a means to an end, and you were either more successful and accomplished at what you were trying to do, you know what I mean, or you were less.

Nobody is really proud that the blut of people got fucked up off their product, Like I mean, in closer time, Yeah, Like I used to brag like Nigga, I had the best work.

Nigga, you couldn't if you pulled my stick twice paused, like if you two puffs of what I'm selling you, because you were gonna be a statue Lex, like you wasn't gonna be able to move.

I remember coming into the rap game feeling that energy still and that even though I knew at that point I was never gonna sell drugs again, but still being like delighted by that energy that I was the best and I had the best, and I prided myself and being so good at it, you know, even though I was done with it, and again by the time you know, you fast forward teen years later, it's like it makes me feel horrible, and like today right sitting with KIGGI him, you know, popping up, it makes me feel even worse, you know what I mean.

And don't get me wrong, Like there's nothing wrong with the g homie, Like he's straight, his witch is still there, but it's like he didn't have to be Lex.

He didn't have to be like his certain homies I know never came back.

Oh I know something too.

For sure, they smoked Simon.

It had a bad chemical effect on they body, and they never recovery the hospitals and all.

And I think, I thank God that you know, Satan hasn't been able to put that on my spirit, Like I didn't see that from somebody.

Even when I saw the lady that I saw Searan Toy that was pregnant and I saw her son and her son was just cool, And I'm thinking to myself, like, man, I could have ruined this little dude life, you know what I'm saying.

So I do think that there's a sense of accountability on it, d boy, right, because you supposed to take care of your people.

If that's what being you know, human is all about.

That's what being black is all about.

Being human is all about.

The verb of it is, you know, caring for other people, and being black is the same, you know what I mean, it's caring for other black people.

So when you see somebody not strong enough to make a quality decision on their own, honestly, it's your job to make the quality decision for them, if that makes sense, Like maybe I can't as a human, but for sure as a black man in a miracle where we this small population, like it is my responsibility to make the smarter decision for them.

You said you could have really ruined someone's life, right, well, but I wonder do you how do you feel we could at least at the regulations least say that you mean like difficult?

Does that come into like you don't know what they're going through, You're doing your transaction, you're moving on, but that they're doing this drug somehow somewhere you make life difficult for those families the matter of things, the children rise above it.

Whatever life was difficult for them.

Does that was that ever?

Did that ever come up in your like equation and how this thing is all played out?

Not really?

Okay, not not necessarily.

I didn't see it that deep, you know what I mean.

I didn't.

I didn't consider it.

Example, you you hooking the mom up with stuff, and she might even do favors for you, you.

Know, bring bring other smokers to you or whatever.

Whatever.

You hear a little bit more.

And she's doing all this.

But then you see her daughter somewhere on the other side of town out late night, you know, her as belongs in her house or her son.

Now he wants to do some wild shit.

I can I connect that to?

She's not so crack crack.

Crack made me.

Feel like that.

Okay, So PCP is a little bit.

Kind of closer to cocaine, just not rich.

It's more of a.

Nobody's pushing baskets to get PCP.

Does that make sense?

Like crack, So crack me and crack lasted about four years.

Soon as I became a man, Crack wasn't gonna work.

Crack was cool when I was fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, eighteen nineteen.

Like you know, you watching people, you know people mother, people Auntie talking about sucking your dick and shit, and you know people you're watching somebody push a basket at three in the morning.

You know they getting all kind of crap.

You could see that effect.

You could see that destroying their life.

PCP I could never see it.

I would imagine it just like seeing cocaine.

I can't imagine you could see it destroying their life because these people are functioning people like I used to sell PCP to nurses, strippers.

Gang members.

Like.

The type of my customer base at that time of PCP was so broad of people.

That's just how they partied and did they thing.

So I never saw like we're cracked, I should say I could see the exact effect, like you could.

Man, Homies wasn't gonna be able to eat that night.

Nobody was making sure they went to school.

You know, they were still in their jury like they kids.

Like it was bad.

So I could see it PCP.

I didn't really see it in real time because it felt so I hate to use this term festive or psychedelic, where it's more like somebody escaping, you know what I mean.

And you don't see, like I said, you don't see PCP, you know what I mean, You don't see people that smoke PCB pushing back like it's a different type of thing.

So it didn't hit me till about thirty four thirty five, And really it hit me because the more I started learning about the chemicals with the chemical man, it's the same thing that they used the Holocaust and that shit, yeah you know what I mean.

Like it's some shit in that shit.

Yes, damn, there's some shit in there.

So it's like and I knew it when I was making it, like I knew, but I didn't even equate the two, you.

Know what I mean.

So that's crazy.

It was different, man, But nah, I never would have I would have never saw it as like maybe if I would have saw that girl and her kid was messed up, then I would have knew, you know what I mean.

But like I thank God every day that you know, I didn't get cursed with that, you know what I mean, I didn't get cursed with knowing that I ruined some kid's life, knowing that this lady life.

I thank God every time I seen her.

She had this job, her kids, she and it's crazy because whatever, even if she didn't see I was wrong, it was like love.

When she saw me, she was you know, cause it wasn't like I mistreated this lady I used to look out for.

She was cool, you know what I mean.

It was never no problem.

But you know what I mean, Like you know.

You see her, she's doing okay, she's doing good for herself.

Now she got her own you know, she's doing her things.

She live in her son is Bronie popped on her here vicious animal, which I worry you that got something to do with it, you know what I'm saying.

Like you know, you just don't know.

But everything seemed okay when God could have really made it to where I seen exactly how fucking stupid I was at that time.

You know what I liked about it, like if I did have to say something, if there is a positive.

It wasn't like crack.

Crack depended on everybody else.

Crack you had to get cocaine from somebody else, and they could fuck it up before you got your hands on it.

You know, you'd be figuring it out.

PCP really came from like you could do it yourself.

You didn't need you know, you didn't need a Columbian to ship over this package to hear, Like, nah, you can go right out to the woods and redlands and whip up and make your own stuff.

Did you ever get into wholesaling to other.

Yeah, yeah, at the very end, I did.

Right before I stopped.

What's funny is before I stopped, we was already starting to messing around in Philadelphia, was starting to meet people.

People was coming into town.

So my next plan was to start going out of town and just plugging up with everybody.

Like you know, I was.

Just like how I approach music, That's how I approach everything in like drag racing, anything I do.

So I'm always looking at the finished product.

And I knew, you know, at that time, a gallon of PCP in Los Angeles was eight thousand, might have cost us five thousand, you know, had a wholesale rate eight thousand.

On the street on the East coast, it was twenty five thousand.

You could make one hundred thousand dollars off if.

You break it down.

Like so I already knew where my next move was at.

Like I'm finna go take I'm finna start making fifty five gallon drums and I'm finisa start shipping the shit to these coasts, and I'm finna get rich, you know what I mean.

And just shit happened right at the time, and kind of God was like, all right, you just out of control, you know what I mean.

But I was.

I was approaching it like I would approach getting the A in school.

So but I got to the point I had a spot that was rolling in Monta Park, and that's the next neighborhood over It's actually, I was telling Lex that's the neighborhood.

Actually, you know that my homie's been friends with in conflict with the whole time.

This is where Coolio from.

It's from history.

So like I had a spot over there that was me and baby Pat dog rest.

In peace his spot.

We took over it from our older homie tone like you bought it from me.

So it's like.

I got to the point where I'm starting to sell ounces, eight and sixteens for sure, even gallans.

But like the real business at that point was going to Philadelphia.

The real business was going to Connecticut.

The real business was going where.

I was even trying to figure out because I had people that would buy.

They would come to the station from England.

They was telling me over there as worth fifty thousand.

I'm trying to figure out how to fuck do I get this in England?

Right, That's how I'm thinking, because you know, I'm thinking, like damn man, like how do I bring this thing to a head?

How do I make millions and millions of dollars like you know some of these dudes from around the way was doing.

Because that's the motivation.

The motivation is I knew a couple of millionaires like that was from my neighborhood people that raised me.

They a million, two, three million dollars.

I'm like, man, how do I get ten?

I mean, so I'm you know, a brother from Philly coming buy sixteens from me, thirty two's all the time, you.

Know what I mean?

He like, Man, Geef, you get over there, man, I'm telling you, man, you bring ten galls, you gonna come back with a million dollars down there.

I'm like, you know that was like what you know?

Ten Gallon's here?

You know what I mean?

He's like, Man, you probably get that off about ninety days.

I'm like, what I What I do understand when it comes to that though, is it's not like it's not like we like so like we hear California and got it because they got that they got up there up there.

I don't know if they got good soil ors they grown the like, but that's available everywhere though, you know what I'm saying.

That was my plan though, bro, because so if you why would Philly pay them if they gonna yeah, coock.

Question some of those based chemicals?

Are you getting them black market from Mexico because you can't just buy them?

No, So I got so good I knew, so again, here go some glasses shit.

Like with hip hop, you know people make that JOKELA just learned about hip hop.

Yeah, but I don't learn about hip hop the way other people learned about hip hop.

That don't mean I just learned about the llll COOJ album.

That means I actually learned why and who why ll COJ.

Made the album.

See I didn't, I don't.

I don't consider hip hop that the Fat Boys made the album.

I consider hip hop understanding why the Fat Boys made the album, where the art came from, what is fired the art, that's hip hop.

So with PCP, it was kind of the same way.

It was like I start knowing why you get this, I'll start knowing how you get Bromo benzing.

Legally, I started knowing how you get prepared.

Legally, I start figuring out what it's for it because think about it, I got the Internet.

I'm on the internet.

Niggas ain't got the Internet.

And to say it like I'm on internet, feel me like what they what they use this for it?

One of them is used to walk like trust is truck.

It's truck wheels, diesel, truck wheels.

Watch, I'm figuring out what everything for so homies is mind everything like they call it parts to a show, right, parts they bund parts on the street.

I don't then already figured out how to get parts out the store.

I figured out if I go to Ohio, Pittsburgh a couple places, I can get all my parts for store price.

My homies might have been paying fifty thousand dollars do a fifty five gallon burn.

I figured out how to do a burn for like twelve thousand because I was thinking, just like with anything else, I'm like, how you know trapping legs talk to me enough at this point to know, I'm always trying to figure out, Yo, how we really gonna do this?

Because we can't do it the way they tell them.

This ain't gonna be no fucking money for nobody.

We be running this motherfucker kicking the shit.

How do we really get to it?

I'm trying to figure out how to fuck we get to it?

That was always my plan.

When I first came to Kiki and I wanted to rap, Kiki Loko was like this underground legend from the West Coast.

I had the label drew out on a piece of paper and I told that nigga that there.

I said, this is what I'm finna do.

That's just how my mind worked, like I don't so I'll figure out why something works more than you know how it works, like you don't got to tell me how records work.

Showed me why they work, and then I can show you how to make it work.

So for me, like, yeah, I didn't.

I didn't need no blackmore only thing you probably need a black market before it was sign on.

That's what I was thinking.

And I had a planet that too.

Legally.

I had a plan to get that legal.

Plan because I'm fascinated as to how that was going to go.

Somebody might be doing it.

I can't work.

Sucks.

When you approached Kiki to get something to let them know about your plan.

Was he wearing a half moon or did he have like the curls down his back.

Curls down his back?

He said that half moved you're going.

You had these low braids.

Welcome down, Alex, Welcome down.

Lex.

Shut upbout that because that man right there, let's speak ad.

At that point.

But he just knew how West Coast Niggas was.

So he's talking about the movie.

You know, he from Queens, so they think that they can stay type is based off the movie.

So no, he had braids back then used that long gass braids blind braid.

But no, Lie I brought I brought my idea to him on paper.

Oh yeah, you ain't saw that.

When you hang with New York dudes, Kiki, it is the most insulting and degrading and humiliating to hear his crip accent.

Different difference is the difference is though, what Lex does and what you do back in the compliments, I have never you my life.

And then you clean and then you clean everything up with saying, but ja is my favorite wrapper up.

But before that, you just you're just saying that this the most craziest thing I'm saying.

Then got a mechat, a mecha that this that this, But but yeah, tell me the most disrespectful thing I ever said about hip hop in my life.

I don't keep on like that, lie because you lie.

Next, what is the.

Most disrespecfubl thing I said about New York ever?

In life?

I've never said, you said something about mc shan.

I'm trying to remember what you said.

Never I know it, you know, because I can't remember, I'm not gonna put it on your jacket.

But you see which, I've never in my life said anything bad about mc shan.

Ever, I think they can.

I think that I think that about York.

Yeah, that's what this is really awesome.

I think that's what.

Yeah, I think that's what they mind me for.

What do look at?

And I said that, Look, Toronto is close New York City, so they can kind of that little.

Because of Drake.

They think that attack Chris, it's always an attack on New York.

The West Coast is the first one.

We gave off baby too.

We gave our child and this thing that we grew up up the ground that no one fucking saw, and we give it to y'all.

And when you're right back around and you know, well, some of y'all do four men in that four.

Men all of us fantastic.

There's always gonna be one.

I don't know who was one.

It's one of your own.

Oh hold on, hold on, I'm the talk about in your hip hop stories.

They talk about me.

I think we've done incredibly well with this thing.

New York has.

Blessed us amazing, imaculated.

We took it to heights that it had never saw at that point.

We made it.

It's all beautiful.

To this day.

The world was like, wow, we did not think this thing could look better to.

This hold on on the West Coast.

Now, think about it.

Think about what about what was able to do with hip hop?

I set them up, he set me up.

How I'm saying, Think how because it was fantastic?

Right?

You think about Curtis blows one, d MC, Kim, Chris, you know, g Rapped Kane, you know all these great legend public Enemy and you know LLL cooj is at the top of the mountain.

And look what he was able to do with hip hop.

You know what I mean, You're like, damn.

And then look when he passed it to Snoop.

Ask your question, right, what was your what was your initial thought when you heard what specialized at seven?

He was on drink Champs.

I laughed because it looked crazy.

So you laughed about it?

Yeah?

What is that talking about?

When he said the West Coast brought the destruction of hip hop?

Yeah I remember that.

Yeah.

But you know what, a lot of a lot of brothers shout out to all the legends from New York who feel like when the West Coast got on that they stopped wanting to hear raps from them and they couldn't get record deals.

I could imagine what that felt like, because everybody wanted you to be a little bit more tougher in your rap.

It was like, you know what, I don't know about this hippie hop stuff you have going on.

You know this nice stuff is he's treated you know, you don't want to kill anybody in your apps.

What it was, it was to the fact that it was this this what it really was, though it was like what the fuck you gotta think who was the who was the who was the top who was the top group at the time, though, you know what I'm saying, you have public enemy, you know what I'm saying.

That was that that was speaking a certain message and then once and then once like once n w A came in what they they stoleted, they came through it.

They kind of like the kind of like forgotten, you know what I'm saying.

They put them the pe to the bat, you know what I'm saying, Like that.

What's better a protest or riot?

What's more entertaining, more entertaining protests or full out fucking riot.

They needed each other bro create.

The protest creates the riot.

I can't help it that the business execs like, now we want the poor fledged riot industry.

Let's gip the protest.

Let's get right to the anger.

You know, they let Doctor dre put out the chronic right around red and then he getting sucked up like that.

They were like you know what, Jimmy I mean, and Tommy like, you know, let's let's put it out, Let's see what people think.

And then they blamed it on the fucking Ice Tea's rock group.

Motherfucker think about it.

Who would let somebody put out a song called fuck the Police?

Why would you let somebody put that out?

Yeah?

What would you like?

What?

Like?

Like Ice Cube was signed to Priority, it was Jews people at the label.

You mean to tell me?

When they was at that meeting and they pressed play, they let that fly.

Do you believe in that?

Do you believe in the secret?

Me?

No, you don't believe that happened?

No, I just believe.

I just believe.

Cowboy flicks are always fan like the like West West Coast did for hip hop.

It made it a cowboy flip.

It made me whole western.

Like you know what I mean, I'm kind of like somebody rapping about the stories to actual cowboys talking about what their stories was.

Like you know what I'm saying.

It cinematized it.

It went from being about the story.

Like within the I said the four corners of the contract, it went from being about the content within the song itself to being all of the imagery around it.

Yeah, but it was always about the image.

I don't understand well because because he's talking about the reason the West Coast got more players because the culture around it seemed more.

I know, it sounds crazy.

That's not even see his little things like that.

What are you talking about?

I mean, doctor dre G.

Thank it's not there's nothing wrong with that.

I'm not.

It's not like I'm insulting New York by saying this.

I'm saying, remember, hip hop outside of the nillis.

I don't know if you kind of want to claim that, but it's cool if you do.

But outside of that, street hip hop had never everyone wants me to exact.

There you got my man peaks New York like street hip hop, right, hip hop from the streets never went number two on the charts.

Lex g thing was the.

Numbers in the country and not really hip hop song.

It's really no hook, Lex.

It's really it's really I guess the music.

How you're pick and choose when you want to when you want to use these these charts and everything like that.

I'm saying, we don't know, we don't.

When they mentioned that that there's no hip hop songs in the top forty, I mean what they took away the rules.

No, but you don't care that they took away the recurrent rules to make that happen.

They changed the rules that affects all of us.

They changed the rules of it.

Have never mattered you, shaid, it never matter.

What's your question, Pep, And again, my memories as good as it is bad.

So take that for whatever the hell it means.

But being you know, Hollerwo adjacent and you get people who work on both music video and movies and television, it seemed as though the music video side on the West Coast took that optically to another level in a way that I can't remember videos from the East Coast doing as effectively.

I was saying that, I think that was my point until Trap kind of got jaded with the chart positioning right and all that though, because I was going to reiterate the fact of what the g Thing video was able to do culturally when you saw it, that's it.

Let me get there.

I'm saying, how do you when when when the four.

Or fives of hip hop gave the button to the West Coast and they started running with it right to Pete's point, like the things around it looked very compelling.

Ice cubes Today was a good day.

That was a great three minute movie.

I can't think of many other East Coast rap songs.

Did did Fight the Power video for Public interm?

Was it a protest like it was?

It was?

It was?

There was a black party.

It was a black party.

It's a black party in Brooklyn.

Okay, So imagine, so imagine you're looking at a block party, right and it looked I know it's hard for y'all to be like fair, please be imagine you seeing this block party where people were yelling about the government and fight the powers.

And then you see the g thing video.

Look at the first car.

In the video.

Look, you're just walking through this house and this lady, it's grown ass fucking me in.

They're talking about my and people talking about your new albums, and somebody ironing his clothes and they come out right exactly right, and they're getting this car and the top is down trap and they're just driving and they're bouncing around in this shiny car with the top down, right, And then they go to a picnic trap, a picnic trap where the nigga is cooking with a gun in the back of his dickies and they're playing volleyball trap with five to ones and dickies on and they show somebody's dropping brawls right trap, right, So they're eating ribs and here's this festive thing happening.

Write this little baby's out there.

Everybody's just it ain't even a fight, right, And then you go to the and then it ain't over yet.

So not only was this picnic that festive, but then after this festive picnic, they go to a house party right just at a time when everybody drinking beer, right, and guess what they have a refrigerator trap for of cold beers forties trapped And.

They say individuals, what individuals is?

What did it dam like that?

That's didinematized the genre better the culture?

Better culture the culture.

But that's what but that, Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

All they've done.

It was beautiful.

It was beautiful, though, talk about it.

We really did a good point, but we didn't really get you, guys.

Culture that felt officially new York festive wise, right, because before that member videos like came to videos, they wouldn't really be like on the block.

They it be in studio a lot of different ideas, you know what I mean, Like they were still making videos like like Michael.

Jackson and Madonna, different music protection.

That video was presenting what what what standing down looked like?

They had numbers on the bottom of the screen when the video came out.

What you're saying, I'm you're saying, is that of what the culture was looking like over there?

It was something new to the rest of the world.

No, no, no traps and Mary j hold on, hold on, hold on.

Do you remember protect your Neck?

It was a time with al I remember.

No it's not.

It's actually an excellent video.

No, no, it's an excellent video.

But would you want to be there?

That didn't look like just nine crazy niggas like yelling and shout and a nigga got a sword.

It was a nigga with a sword.

I got a sword and they just walking around threatening the camera with a sword.

There was not a bit it was serious.

So I agree it was Staten Island pissed off and it didn't necessarily looked like like always.

I remember when before the Rest hipp Soul, right, and we was talking about hip hop and I was like, man, I'm telling you I got this thing figured out, man, And he was like, man, you want to see this video.

I got shot thisvideo to the single.

So he sends me the video the rap niggas that was cy I'm telling you, there's no place in that video I would want to be.

Yeah, video was fire though.

No, No, that video has great cinematography.

Yeah, bro, did you see them apartments with all.

The niggas into them apartments?

That is not you want to go.

Did you see the boat?

There was no bitches.

It was big you and sixties on the boat.

You know the difference when you see the doctor dra G thing video, you would like to be there.

You go to the picnicga like, man, it's girls here, it's barbecue, people cooking.

You go to the house party if you acted Diddy, they drenched the girl with the beer and everybody danced.

Nigga about thing and it's did y'all call this gangster rap trap?

How did Juicy come up?

Juicy come across to you?

That's when it started happening.

That's why I'm yes, house party and Juicy because listen, Trap, think about it.

The party at the end, Lex, think about the party at the end.

Everybody's y'all called the West Coast gangster rap.

Nigga ain't nothing ghast even happened to none of the videos.

It's just Nigga's party.

Think about it.

Dre Day is.

At The immediate following video.

Was a robbery.

But who oh, my favorite one.

They robbed the dudes and nothing me ride but you.

But that's the but again, now you're winding down right even even regulate.

They end up in a hotel with some girls, the motel, the East Side hotel.

Jeem me.

When Biggie came about Juicy, Yeah, I want to be there.

I was like, man, this right here is and then with Big Popu for one more chance, I was like, oh my god, I need to go there.

Lex every time.

When me and Trap was walking, we and fucking Harley and I'm looking at these brownstones like, man, I need to throw me a party like niggas.

I'm telling Trap.

Even throw ellis Worth.

He was walking down right, walking down seventh going to the fish spot.

You're going to the fish spot, right, And I saw the building.

This is right there.

He look, but I'm like, that's the car right there.

Be me up in that bitch, Seventeenth Street, seventeenth Streets.

I was like, oh my god, I gotta ficture.

I gotta picture you.

I gotta picture you right.

There, brother, hardly the Carter is in Harlem on one hundred and seventeenth.

Nigga, Yeah, yeah, that's what.

That was the fly ship in the world.

And I'm chuking up to set on the streets.

Even when people called the West Coast gangster rap, there was nothing, never really gangster happening, like not in the video that you cared about.

You think is two parties?

How do you leave a picnic and go to a house party?

If I think about, we have some celebration videos.

We have celebrations, y'all do y'all do?

But nah, it sounds like it sounds like he's starting it with Biggy But does he do?

You all remember the video in nineteen ninety the quest we need a Opabama.

Checking around on top of launch ye drafting.

New clear, New clear.

But that's what But that's also why those people were so successful.

Wait, did Hype Williams do Juicy?

He should have if he didn't, I'm not sure.

I'm not sure.

I don't know.

Think about that, bro, Like when you saw I remember seeing a one More Chance remix video, Heavy D was the fucking bouncer.

Oh my god, I wanted to be.

There so bad.

Heavy D is the bouncer.

Why is Luke in total just sitting on the couch and it's cracking.

That's the ship and that's.

Where to me, the West Coast beat everybody else to the party culturally, like the one thing I give drand Stoopid and credit they really had everybody like feeling like, man, I need to be there that every even listen.

Dred is a song, This is easy and Luke Lex is there in a parking garage at a party.

Why is it a party in the parking garage?

It's a parking garage.

Lex.

They have a little bass where.

They run into Jerry Healler the Easy and they walk in the office and then the rest of it.

They rapping in the parking garage by themself and then they snap their fingers and it's like two thousand people, bitch, everybody partying.

Who the fuck wouldn't want to be there?

What the fuck?

See?

What you're talking about, I don't see like this.

And I do this every time, every time in California, always say this stuff.

It's the fact, though, what you what I was doing was giving off the vibe of what California is like.

When I'm in California and I'm min of im down mine down the street and I see big ass palm trees and then I'm saying, I'm just I'm saying ship like that.

I'm like, yo, this ship.

Look, that was just giving off what but it was But it's but it's disguised within them palm trees and ship and you be in the fucking hood though.

Was this?

Was it some ship in the high rise with the skyline.

In the back.

No, but that's not where we're at.

Though in New York there's all they're not letting them negroes up there.

No, that's not where we're at.

Though.

We're in queens Bridge.

You're in the projects and stuff like that.

Bro, you know what I'm saying.

The micros are there.

Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

You're gonna see you got the you got the culture when you got our videos, know what I'm saying.

Wherever somebody was fun that's what that's the coach.

You've got.

What you got just didn't look it just didn't always look as festive.

Don't be wrong, like, don't.

Look as fester when you go there, know even though does it look like I.

Think that that the East Coast videos were trying to just encapsulate the micro moment of the lyrics and the ship that was going on in the song, whereas you could be rapping about whatever the fuck's going on in the song.

You right, they don't even talk about the world, you know what I mean?

They don't have nothing about fun.

Something next day in the parking garage and if focks me up every time, like and I remember telling it, like, hey bro, this don't look like fun.

This looks serious like them Nigga's mad Dog and the camera shit, I don't think I would go back to the apartments right now.

Apartments is crazy.

And I'm looking at some boat.

It ain't no girls on the boat, and I'm like, that do not look fun?

And I feel like.

That to kind of do like the Somali Pirates movie, what they're doing, I've never heard of a video on a.

Boat with no war women was just a bunch.

It was a bunch of the armies, A bunch of six old on the boat I got.

I got right here, man, I saw the D D B GE thing.

I wanted to be in those parties.

Man was so fun.

I'm like, oh dos, oh god, you know, I wanted to be at when I seen it.

When when I seen ice Cream and he was walking through the coliseum, marb was cool.

You know what I'm saying, Like that the trap you did already, you did that, you know what I mean.

I mean, you can actually see Carvel calling through the coliseum.

But what doctor Jaden showing us.

I want that?

But like he said though, also I think that that goes along with being out there in the West coast.

Yeah, you want me, where did the people come from?

So you know what I compare that to right there, that get at Me dog dm NEX video.

He was up in the.

No, that's the one that's that's that's not that's made that video I made that know that that that that is not like that's a that's New York Energy.

But that you get sucked up right there.

Yeah, there's another one.

Rough Riders Anthem was dope.

That's what a bunch of niggas.

On the streets.

They got the bikes.

Out here at least.

In though they just I'm like, oh, this is the ship.

But but Biggie to me did the best job of really showing like, yeah, this is how we were party in Brooklyn, like the Brownstone and that lones and Big Popper, like the lounge scene Hella player, like they had it lit just riding.

It's just brawls in there.

It's just like, damn, that's kind of cool.

Oh they did have some transmissions in.

There, depending the South the best you feel like.

So this is the tricky part right back.

That ass up is probably the one.

And you see the motherfucking girls out of the country fair girls, all the things they spend time.

I was like, damn, why did I stuff into a second line in the Ninth War?

Yesterday you out there, you're out there right now.

You know what today yesterday I gotta get out of the car.

All you said, them people got the whole line and all the jazz being and all that.

You have to tell everybody out on the street, know y'all lied talking about them people that we keep saying this hip hop would be good more than people could not be at this tunnel.

Look at that ship right there.

It was crazy, right, Hake did thing with that video?

Yeah, yeah, live performance.

That was our thing.

We said, if you can't go to the tunnel in prime tunnel years, you're not hip hop.

Snooper that went through the embody that you wrong.

The automatic hip hop guys is gonna go.

I'm just saying them dudes, who we question?

Yeah, prime tunnel years, your asking hip hop?

Now they go to s O B's That's what they ended up going.

The probably is we make s O B hip hop?

Yeahn got me wrong.

S O B used to have have hip hop things there because I performed there.

Yeah, that's a crazy I said.

Spot though tunnel is the hip hop spot is like the how forgive me if it's not disrespectful, But it's like the professional hip hop spot.

Does that make sense?

Next professional hip hop spot?

The tunnel is where the streets went?

Yeah, thatsnel was the movie that you like the next year been in the tunnel that you twice.

That you have people going there all the time.

I couldn't one time.

It was okay, it was good.

I was young.

I'm not coming back to the ship.

Yeah I was.

I was young.

Going there.

My cousins.

My cousins saw garding to give me up in there like I might be like fifteen, You're always talk my head like the trip in there and get trip in there.

You got through there.

It was like, nah, he ain't getting had to standing outside with the joints the whole time.

I had to be the one house outside of the block with the from to come out the whole night.

Yeah.

Oddly, and this is gonna sound crazy when you think of New York as the forefathers of hip hop and truly like the architect of the party.

Visually, our parties started looking more fun.

Is that feir Lex.

Like all starties?

So we scot was looking Yeah, they started looking more fun parties.

To me, when I watched those videos this is Dad, it was boundary set, you feel what I'm saying, Like everything that was visually seen in those videos and the dude at the barbecue grill like you mentioned, the dude having the handmad his waistline, it was like the culture was up front.

I loved it.

I thought it was really dope.

It something like that.

Felt like that felt like a safe environment, even though you know.

It didn't feel safe.

You though you knew it wasn't.

Yeah, right, that's.

Song didn't have to like idiot, they made the song video commercial over the top of the song.

Right, you just say that we saw this g up, I said the l were saying half the video matched the song.

They just made a song and then they just laid three minutes of video as an advertisement over the top of the song.

Right, okay, but every VideA that comes from the West Coast, it could be beautiful.

For the first of all, were like, Yo, these guys are in paradise, an issue, but then everything.

Around banging on other people are smoking people.

But think about it, concas most wanted don't have festive videos like that.

Was active video.

You there, right, I know you were that and the thing is so like it was dangerous.

I'm looking at each rapper who showda had probably had issues, according to the media.

With each other, and you was there all these guys to the yos.

But Yo did it.

But it looked uncomfortable to me.

That was cool.

It was a little bit like the prison yard.

But it was cool.

I mean, I guess at that time I was so much bullshit.

It was glasses, you know what, you know what I don't get at me.

The video is how do you want It?

By Tupac.

That's getting at me.

Due.

Yeah, that's when he was in the house.

Was in the House of Blues, bro on the stage, all on the stage House Blues.

It wasn't as festive to us as ged up, Like if you see ged up.

They on top of the VIP of Loan Beach and it's like a thousand people all in the streets into the parking lot.

And then y'all came back with explosive that video.

That's another thing you started getting like the accolades for like music videos.

And I said, they said who did that?

Someone asked me who did that video?

And I said little, I.

Said, what's he?

They said, no, we don't wait to look at that.

No, poor hunter, poor hunter, your Paul used to get busy.

The greatest.

That's one of the greatest hip hop videos ever created.

Explosive.

No, No, the greatest.

Is that the one that's inside the the about talking about Art Tunnel Sentry Club.

Is that the one that she's the strip the stript club.

That's the Century Club.

That's what I say for you, Yes, is the explosive Uh huh?

Is that.

That's that's that's the next episode.

That's that's the greatest one.

This one stand up to g S.

You should be turning b T L B C.

Get we hooking back up.

And when they thang this, this was like ar tunnel.

They called this the secree clean like the centry you're thinking Chance Central Club.

It was like a tunnel slip.

He was a little bit like, you don't give needing money in the streets.

Just a swank in my head won't get you down.

Sick for some gift and take this on this chair another fensive video.

I was still.

Dread that it was.

I see well all on the gas and ship that was happening.

Our video is hell y doing?

After you do that one, play play hate me now, play hate me now?

That video fire.

But it was just hell of sacrilegics.

I mean side from that side for those scenes though them club scenes was crazy.

That's what made it fire.

Though the crazys of like looks like he was gonna go the horn for making his video.

That's when Steve Stock got popped and had with that bottle gift of that niggas like what are you doing?

Why should you play with God?

This video This is when I really this was the first Nods video I really ever saw.

I was yeah, bro, he was on yeah bro.

He went back to the project the first platinum, first order to bring the platinum plat back and he was on top of the store on burning right there.

That's that's what.

That's what the east side.

He was on top of the v I P along vi P record.

They all started that.

They were doing a lot with this part.

This part crazy, you know, this is what I am.

He went through to.

I was.

I did like I know that block said you need two explosions.

Right there, right there, right there for the right there and watch that that big man.

You gotta go to the pot when they walking through the club with the white minks on.

But put the guy and got the mink had on.

He's got the mink now, I got the mink had on.

Bid looking fun.

The other guy because the other guy understands how the market and how the promote his puff.

Yeah he rightes Yeah this pump.

Animals watched my face for decades.

The man.

Strapped up.

Then I stayed four expanded more to the fixed create bill see me in the chail with safe things.

You got the same staff.

They're not gonna look part with the white maing song that was and then he spit the Then he spit the champagne and the camera.

But you still want to hate.

Yeah, just about going right.

Now, you saying I got millions of times, got that chain on t B chain can't can't stop that.

Yeah, he stopped in.

A big old Look this guy's car.

They got the mink going the full length with the man hat on to come off.

Yeah, you're gonna spit the champagne and the camera.

That's one of them that was hyped this video.

Don't get enough credit to that.

This video fire to me.

I'm trying to this.

Yeah, I don't know this spice.

Just start spikesy giant spikes this video on fire.

Yeah, this is hell in New York.

I know the song without little crazy fire.

You got fire niggas talking, y'all said some more ship.

I used to run the block.

Now corporate hopping out, you know with some when the.

Doors lifting son this for all.

Right, cutting the skylight Yeah yeah, court side that the floating when you get the first from Fransberry, got the roller mid a lot of summer.

If I can't get it done, I got social swit, please get the money backing it up with Geese, stay icy because ship can spicy.

Loo can tell you can tell this you you know what I'm saying.

It's not like.

This sounds like him.

None of the other ships signing price.

Of course, we're talking about talking about.

Lost money.

I gotta, I gotta, I gotta play the video when when you explained that how the whole thing went down.

However, when Dad because he went in there, went in there with Dad because because he called him up, he come through the supposed have been to collaborate.

He said by the time that he was going through you know the whole sixteen wow m.

To me, it's like, when you look at it, that's what hip hop really really missed, bro.

It's just fun.

It used to be so much fucking fun.

People hip looking hype.

When he finally got with Dre.

Mm hmmm instilled Dre, this is dough, He's just crying.

He's like, no, and I said, my whole life right rag folks still doing that blue rag with that fucking rag lind students straight.

He told I can't keep it home a lot.

I'm with the spots that I'm.

Knowing the rock.

He put this together for that boy man, ho put this together for him for real, for real?

Yes, that's all.

Yeah was getting off.

Yeah, Drake did it though, Drake did it.

Yeah, j did write that for him.

Yeah yeah he did right, charge Drake did it?

Is that this yo.

Used to be my video on a A little ship.

Yeah, this is my ship too.

I ain't gonna even hold you's know about this peaky log.

Hey you never find that.

Man.

When we used to look at holl he would be that's crazy.

Hey, bring your mother fucking out to the question your spots on the flo.

Watch the whole story.

Drop.

Does everybody want to say you make the low lot and you know all riders.

Let's answer your question.

Yeah, answer the question.

Yeah, you know, figging look right, then kicking load saying so fire fire and then produce fire fire, don't don't He had the haircut.

I thought that was.

The locks you lex.

That was tough right there.

He's like, did he had a shirty temple?

That's what?

Oh?

G that was tough on the movies made that Yeah, that was tough.

O G okay in it peat and they had too video.

They had two videos you showed with that haircut Snoop was in the centric club of the same Haircuts.

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