Watch up and welcome back to another episode of No Sealer's podcast with your hosts and now fucked that with your loaw glasses.

Malone.

So, I was having a conversation with some mommies this morning.

But you know what I realized, Peter, It took me forty six years to realize this.

I think I don't know when to shut the fuck up.

You don't, right.

It took me for a sistem ventized that for since.

I really thought people wanted to hear facts or intelligent analysis.

I used to really think that that's what motherfucker's wanted.

I had no idea that's not what motherfuckers wanted that.

I think that's Pete mic or something.

I was going to try to get up and walk around the neighborhood for little over lives.

Everybody could take a look at at the view.

But my hand hits this race a little bit.

But now it's I mean, it's it's good.

Now I'm not losing my hand anymore.

Okay, But.

Like I'm thinking about the whole shit with hip hop, like I take this sacrifice cause the things you love, you sacrifice for it, right, Like if y'all have kids and shit, you sacrifice for it, right, So the things you love you sacrifice, you sacrifice, Like with hip hop specifically, I sacrifice making money.

I sacrificed time, like I dedicated my all to learning about it to understand it.

And when I came out with.

It, I had some fundamental truths, right, And one of them was the fact that that it very much was street urban culture articulated or fashed through the elements, right, and that's the art of it all right, whether that's b boying, right, whether that's whether that's be boying, whether that's graffiti, whether that's DJing, whether that's him saying right, and the art right, the art would actually like you present it, and here's this artistic, this authentic artistic expression.

And sitting down with Charlotte Mage one time, right, he asked me a question and it felt like second nature, Like right, it felt so natural to answer rights Drake hip hop, and I'm like, no, Like, obviously he's not right.

He's a pop artist that makes rap records.

It didn't seem like it was a hurtful thing.

I never would have thought that it was a hurtful thing.

I didn't think it actually, you know, discredited him as a talent.

I'm never ever would have thought that people would feel like that those type of things would discredit him as a talent, versus me saying, here is how somebody approaches it, here's the genre, or here's what they do creatively.

I mean, I have as.

Much respect for pop artists as I have for hip hop artists.

Both both styles of music take a dedication and focus like you know, anything else.

But that's simple thing.

I'm sorry I said musically you have the same respect phone.

But culturally, I mean, one of them is not about the culture.

Of things, okay, one of them is just about making something relatable to humans, making something digestible to humans.

Like pop, mainstream music is just making something digestible to humans.

Hip Hop is not that it's like the least digestible.

It is the more hip hop it is, right, It's it's using language that only we understand, mannerisms that we only deem appropriate.

You get what I'm saying.

You get more props for that versus pop.

The idea is to deliver something digestible to the messes.

And fast forward.

Here we are six years later, and it's created this ridiculous thing off of something that really felt natural, and it made me thank trap.

Why the fuck is it a problem with me sharing this information?

I'm feeling as if, like ever since we started like saying like that's when I really realized the fact.

That that that so many people were being declared hip hop as like a badger honor like that, you know what I'm saying like that, I mean, like, I don't know that.

That's why I realized.

That's why I never understood like if he isn't hip hop, what's so bad about that?

Though?

You know, I can't understand that though.

But that's when I realized it's a badger owner.

It's something that people want to make sure that they are coined as being you know what I'm saying, specially if they doing it like guess, but I don't know.

I can't caot.

Is it okay?

I watch people in the scene every day.

Yeah.

I was talking to my homies and they were asking me about other rappers being gang members, and I'm like, bro, I don't respect you as a gang member if you became a rapper before a gang member, or if you using rapping, like if you use you know, getting put on a gang as like if you get put on a game.

For career investments.

Yes, I don't respect it, sure, And I was listening, like and I'm looking at certain people and I'm like, that bothers y'all about Like why do y'all care what I think?

Then?

Like if it if this concept bothers people so much of what I think, Like, you know what, I don't fucking get it.

It's two things happening at once for the artists.

It's the same with like any other genre, Like if you were in the early nineteen sixties and you know you said, oh, you're you're not rock and roll, you know, that would be like terrible, or like, oh you're you're not metal, You're just a you're you're just a guitar plist.

Still something you know in the eighties.

Yeah, whatever you're trying to, you know, do with like be a part of I mean, that's that's kind of a requisite for that, you know, it's not.

Drake isn't in the business of marketing pop music on purpose, you know what I mean.

He doesn't package himself like Taylor Swift.

So no, I think that's what happens.

I don't think it's we done on purpose.

No, I mean he would have just signed to whoever the fuck he signed to cash money.

Yeah, and fans.

It's like, say you say you got a girlfriend, you love her to deaths you a big girl?

You like big girls.

Big girls are your thing.

Somebody goes man, your girlfriend fat, You gonna get all bet out of shape.

But it even though big girls are your things, that's because any people establish a relationship in their minds because they're delusional, fucking nut jobs with these artists, any artists, whoever, they're fan of, the fanatics, the fanatical maniacs.

They're weird.

That's why they cry when persons die and they never met them in the day in their life, and you insault them.

It's like insulting in love one.

They can't handle it.

I just I'm just thinking, like I'm just thinking like like in my mind, he packaged himself that way.

He pretty much stayed away from things that would be specifically, you know, relevant to just how we grow up and made general concepts for everybody.

So how did he package it any different?

I mean, as I said, like, he most of what he did was with more hip hop artists in collaboration.

I mean, he was on that hip hop label.

But wouldn't that be because they rap and he raps like see like to me, he's a pioneer.

In the pop rap category.

Sure, it's one of the earliest people we remember having huge success in the pop rap category.

Now it's kind of standard.

You see a ton of people.

But when you're the first, you can't just come out and declare it, you know what I mean, you kind of got it, hide your way in and then it just happens.

No suilings, Gil, my brother Pete in the house, I got my brother trapped, my brother Steve in the house, gatekeeper's pot.

Probably launching spire.

So we did a collab episod make sure y'all take out the gatekeepers pot as well.

We're really gonna get into it, okay.

So to me, even though he actually decided to package himself as a pop rapper, right, I'm not disagreeing.

He definitely made a purpose to sign to cash Money Records.

But at that time, even young Money, cash Money was kind.

Of a pop label.

You know.

Look, this is this is little Wayne in the prime of his career as he ascends to pop status.

When you said the popularity.

At that time because Post Party three, like Wang was out here.

Yeah, I agree.

Even the label.

At that time started to sign acts like Kevin Rudolph and Jay Sean.

They started signing pop acts.

I mean, if you look at it though, Nikki Drake, you said Wayne at the town, Tiger they was going.

They was kind of.

Going towards some rap style thing.

Yeah, they was.

They was kind of weeping towards that area right there.

It definitely was.

What was Tiger's first single.

It was a song.

That was That's how I discovered it.

Yeah, you don't cast.

Man, no No, Travy put him out.

Travy.

Travy helped him put it out.

Shout out to gym class hero.

Yeah, that's his cousin.

Okay, okay, that makes sense.

So he makes you know what I'm saying.

He makes his pop song and now he's rapping on certain things.

But remember rack City was a movement.

That song his first, his first hit outside of he was featured on the Chris Brown hit Deuces Right, which is an R and B song, And he puts out this pop song right with Traviy right, which means he was looking towards a pop lane, right.

But then the.

West Coast develops this kind of style of music, right, which goes on to become ratchet music, which is birth out of the ashes of what would be jerky music.

Right, and here's this thing called ratchet ratchet music.

Shout out to Tie and Yg there's some of the earliest Joe Moses as far as foundating what would become ratchet music.

And he goes to Mustard and gets Rack City, which becomes his first solo hit record.

So then he becomes a part of this kind of hip hop phenomenon, right, like no different than drill at g fankel Boombat, Right, It's something that comes from the mud.

And then here is he here's how he defines you know, his records to a degree, right, to make it nasty and all of these things that fit this movement, but that do kind of border, you know, a level of mainstream familiarity.

But he is a he's a foundating, he's a forefather piece in it to the mainstream world.

Right, Like a lot of people's first introduction into ratchet music was rack City.

You know, they everybody didn't hear tutored and boot it, you know, I mean Rack City was huge.

I Mean that's kind of like it's kind of like Chief keep yes, he brought up drill like when people really dive into the drill.

Then they were always anybody con They always say nine chief wasn't the first one doing it.

No, it's in the world, the pioneer.

But I can't call it.

I can't call it like of the planet?

Are ratchetment?

No?

No, no, the first, the first, the first Ratchet national hit record is.

Tutored in Booty.

Yep, that's the first one I heard.

As far as far as our our style being that thing and tutored in boot it.

Remember it comes out in two thousand and eight or nine on the Undy.

I remember that.

I remember that it was nine, and then it blew up.

In two thousand and like ten.

That mean nationally, Like I'm looking at rappers and right, and I'm supposed to buy into their ideas and then like I'm like.

Yeah, I don't really buy it.

Like are we making a mistake?

Like if somebody says they're from Queens and trapped that person, you know is out representing Queen.

Is it up to Queens to say, hey, this person authentically isn't.

Queen's I sit here and give you a perfect example right now.

Sure, So what Prology first came out, you know what I'm saying, Not the first time Maltie came out, the second time Maftie came out.

You know what I'm saying.

He wasn't really concerned.

We ain't know when they did hit it from the back.

We wasn't he was.

It was mom d whatever.

They ain't really break like that.

But when that second album broke, you know what I'm saying, everybody assumed them at first was he was from Queensbridge.

He was all in the Bridge everything, you know what I'm saying, Prantburg.

But then as the as the album stayed out, As the album came out, though, you know what I'm saying, everybody in the whispers went around like, nah, you know he's not from Queensbridge.

You know you're from him, stay right, you know what I'm saying.

But it was like it was almost to the point where like they Queensbreak accepted them though, so they couldn't crying.

Nobody said he wasn't from Queensbridge, you know what I'm saying.

Like that, like most most people from Altsanda, New York or queens assume right now to this day he's from queens Bridge.

Did he ever la Queen's Bridge?

Yeah, he used to say the bridge, you just say all that.

He used to say Q big all that, like he was just standing.

They gave him me, they was, They gave him the straight to be able to do that up until I think he came out with that book, like he was queens Bridge up ntil they came out with that book, and he came out with the book.

Then everybody started messing with him though.

But before that, though.

Like, what was the problem with the book that made people stop that?

What happened?

I think he was just pointing out too much information that people felt like they shouldn't have They shouldn't have put out they shouldn't have put out a sign like that.

I can't I can't tell you exactly what it was.

A lot of people was upset by the book, by certain things that were setting a book, certain things that was revealed.

People ain't like that, you know what I'm saying.

I think it was like a dude named Mike lawd something like that was the one who probably got mad.

Yeah, but it was definitely because of the book, though I forgot.

What was asked away everything kind of no, no.

No man.

When he passed away.

Remember they put them they put the murol up, they put the mirror up for him in Queensbridge, and they was they was messing up.

Every time they put out they were messing up.

It was the Queens with people doing that ship.

He was mad.

He was mad.

Yeah, So here's a better question, hip hop community across this country, right, all these places that birth that you know, that give you that unique look into that level of street urban culture.

Are we making a mistake when we allow people to represent because then they don't carry the same burden of culture or the sense of accountability that comes with it.

It's like, it's one.

Thing to hear young thug say some ignorant ship right about Mike Brown, Right, which is cool, right, because then guess what, young thug can get pressed by his mother, his family, his sisters, anybody that grew.

Up with him.

He's within the arms reach to press about saying something ignorant, and it's people that he respects and love.

So then he's gonna have to double back, like man, I was tripping, you know, I'm ana donate, I'm ana du.

Blah blah blah blah.

Right, because at the end of the day, you still one of us, right, versus somebody who's not one of us, and we allow them to claim the fame like prime example, right, Like like even in that.

Book, like say with with with with p right, whereas.

Like maybe somebody from the bridge sees that different, you know what I'm saying.

Maybe they're like, Okay, let me not bring this up.

Or if they do bring it up, they're able to be held accountable different because they connected versus you build some relationships.

Like I was thinking about this, like it's been multiplications in LA right, Like here's a prime example, big Us going through the same thing with James Harden, right, And I'm not sure if this is the truth, but let's just work with the story.

The story is James Harden and a couple of NBA players were shooting dice with Adrian Browner.

Bronner beats him out a bunch of money using some trick dice, so we call them Tea's T's dice.

They realized they got beat and they go to Big U.

They say, man, instead of going to the police, they go to Big U.

Man, Man, this dude cheats out our money.

Blah blah blah.

We need to get this money back.

He said, Okay, I'll do it for you, but it's gonna be this percentage because I got to go through all this shit.

They make a deal, he get them their money back, charge his feed for doing the work, you know what I mean.

And it's some extra money that's supposed to be through to him to teach Adrian Browner a lesson.

Right.

So, then.

Now here's this case that pops up.

Right, And we've talked about this case a couple of times, right, I know it's bullshit.

I know the person that's at the center of the case.

I know how that person wanted to use big U Street credibility to actually do bad business a lot of times, you know what I mean.

And now when the Feds get him, he lies.

It says big U is shaking him down.

And that's the truth.

So to anybody who listened to this podcast, if you think for two seconds they got the right person with big U, you're wrong.

They don't.

Big U actually is being railroaded at this level for this particular charges.

He is not the leader of a RICO organization.

The person that they said he's shaking down.

That's not true.

This person hired him, so he could do bad business in his name, and he was already doing bad business in the name of Big U in rolling sixties.

And that's a fact because I know who it.

Is, right, But then it's big you wrong because he does lend his street credibility to people that simple.

Would you think, Pete.

Was he getting paid for it?

Sure?

Then no, I mean he's a This is an all starter to me.

I don't see what we've been talking about.

Well, here's here's my issue, Pete.

It's a cultural conversation when I loan somebody the culture and then they don't really have enough respect or they're not put in position to be able to be accountable for things.

They're saying, why.

Is he not the victim of predatory production?

Because everybody works with it, makes money off of them, and then leaves him out to look like an idiot like he's you know, perpetrating and image.

And no, one didn't make money off of him.

No, and people and he resolved a lot of conflicts.

But I'm saying my fear for Big U and kind of this has been my argument towards all of people that grew up in street urban culture.

I'll talk about Drake.

Just things you said culture.

Oh, no, Drake is different, like.

Everybody made money off of him.

No, no, I wouldn't them loaning him well even honestly, they wasn't even trying to loan it to him.

But for the sake of every artist that did give him credibility, they did do well, right, But I don't think I'm even sure we can even take him into account.

So then when they start to say some silly shit that doesn't fit or like in James Harden's situation or at least based off of this story, here's trouble for somebody because they don't understand the rest of the things that come with that type of relationship.

Like it's like shout out to the homie.

They hit me about Kashan Chang because it's a bunch of people lying like a san Krashan definitely got a change to forgive me mean, like, I ain't trying to be on you, but a nigga hit me asking me about him.

I just ignored him, Like nigga, I'm not getting nobody changed back them days over of me looking out for niggas and bortering deals with people from the culture to try to help somebody.

Enough people to me.

My issue with Chris Shian is when you own that twenty v one and you say that little shit you say, right, you say that little shit, you say right, you say that little dumb ass shit, you say, you don't have enough respect for the culture in the first place.

Right, So why the fuck and my finna go get your fucking chain back?

Why the ship should I go get your fucking chain back?

Why I'm finna go talk to these Santana black niggas and be like rep for what Like I used to do that ship when I was young, when I first got in a business and O six, o seven niggas be getting robbed at this motherfucker left and right, and I go get a change.

Change You will say you got back for you know exactly, man, you know what.

I knew exactly how many change I got back, and I knew how many I could have got back, which.

Was quick feeding trap the questions and the advance.

I'm saying I didn't know he was going to have that, But I'll just kidding.

So Glasses, wouldn't that be similar to I remember you explain this, but running the risk of putting somebody on from the hood that isn't necessarily directly from the hood, represents something they're not directly from and they have no historical ties to.

It's kind of the same similarity, like you letting the outsider claim something be put onto something represent something that they don't know, like it's something foreign to them and they want to be down because it looks cool.

But they have no history.

They don't have no family over here, they don't know nobody over here, they don't got no mutual friends over here.

But they just, you know, they walked the neighborhood a couple of times.

They've seen something and they want to be they want to be a part of something.

So I think it kind of there's there's a similarity there that I do feel like there is some responsibility that we who when you're lending somebody something that's really precious.

We're talking about language and entire culture where somebody dresses everything they don't know how to respect it because that's just not how they were brought up.

But that's my point.

Like I remember having this argument with one of my oldest friends, my homeboy Moto recipe is Jermaine called him psycho neighborhood, And.

I've been knowing Moto.

We call him Moto Psycho, same person.

I've been knowing him since we were nine and eight.

This is before I got put on at fifteen.

He was already from the neighborhood.

He was already a member fucking up.

You know.

His life was different.

His mom went through all kinds of traumas.

Dad wasn't around, his uncles was in the streets.

So he came from a completely His mom wasn't a registered nurse that's sold ope with the jail.

His mom was really outside fucking up, you know, his dad.

You know.

Again, it was a different thing, right, But.

Most of the stuff that I knew about growing up in the life he gave me.

And then the older homie started teaching me.

And as I came into my own, I remember him bringing a guy to the neighborhood.

And this guy was from East Coast originally, he's from seven to six, and he was about twenty two.

He was like a year or two older than me.

I think I was twenty one.

He was twenty three.

And he was like, hey, gee, I want you to put this nigga on.

And I'm like, who this brown nigga right here?

He like yeah, and I'm like, nah, cuz I'm not putting this nigga on.

Bro, this nigga grown, Why the fuck would I put him on?

Like, I'm like, where are you from?

He was like, well, Me's coast.

And he was from a gang already get kicked out of there.

No, you know, they don't got nothing to do with it.

G of course it got something to do with it.

But he moved shout out to Psycho rest in peace.

He moved Moto, moved over there and became a friend with this person.

So naturally, when you grow up, how we all grow up in this street urban culture, we build different with each other, like we really we take a liking to you, we fuck with you.

And so he wanted to be from the neighborhood, and I remember like, no, I'm not putting him on, seem me.

So they put this motherfucker on anyway some other people.

And then they gave him the name Gangs to Seven, so he named after the neighborhood.

And I remember thinking to myself, like, what the fuck is going to Why the fuck would y'all do this?

And everybody like, g you know, same shit, men, chill man, you always ask you smart to ask questions, shit, non nigga just from.

The hoods, just don't nocuz not.

And you know, at this point, I came into my own I'm fighting shit, I'm shooting, I'm on all the shit.

Nigga.

This nigga not you know what I mean.

And I didn't want to have a problem with him, so I treated him as close as I could to a nigga.

I don't know that's actually now acting like he weve been knowing him, but sure, sure, shit when shit fall Apart from my generation, this asshole is at the cigarette it.

He didn't told on everybody.

He Didne went to jail.

He didn't.

I thought he got he I thought he stabbed and got his self killed and then he alive.

He called me, tried to call.

Me, told Hi, I'm like nigga.

He told, nigga, I'm not never talking to you cuz in no capacity, Bro, I'm not.

I'm still mad Moto died.

I'm still mad at Moto that Like if Moto had one strike on his record with me in bringing this nigga around and trying to get me the courty.

Mom, I want to put him in the fucking hospital.

The first day I met he watch this grown ass me, he should have his life together.

What are you doing?

You try to come over here and make money or some nigga you don't got a beef finna set to make money?

Nigga, you could just come fuck with us.

But why you want to get put on the hood?

Why would Moto convince you and him in Moto the same age?

How could this grown man come convince your grown ass to come join another gang?

It didn't work out the first time trip.

It didn't work out the first Huh, that's why you're here.

It didn't work out.

If it worked out, you be from where you're from.

Did you ever figure out the situation about what happened with them in the East Coast?

No, that's even worse.

It makes it worse.

I could be unsavory.

Bro.

Are there other examples of Outsiders where it went well, Because there's a large list of examples of insiders that were probably improperly vetted as well that we've gone through on the show in the past.

But I'm saying it's not that shit don't go bad.

It's for sure it's gonna go bad with that.

First off, who the fuck Joan's gang?

You don't even know these people.

You know, I fucking fucked up.

It's already crazy to be from a gang because now you're committing your life saying, hey, you know what, the law is not gonna be the standard of how I'm gonna conduct myself.

I'm gonna make my own rules.

That's already crazy.

That's that's that's that's like yeipop, and I'm gonna just do what I want.

I'm where my I have no shoelaces in my shoes, you know what I mean.

So like, it's one thing when niggas didn't have shoelaces, so niggas take the shoelacers out and make that shit look cool.

It's different when you ain't got a bunch of money and you wear the shit.

That's another thing.

When you ground down you actually got the money for your shoelaces and you actually take the shoes out.

You are special.

So it's one thing for us already in the culture.

We already got an issue because we bonding together based off of trauma to some degree, based off of poverty, based off of having this is all we got to stick together, you know what I mean?

That's different.

But who the fuck comes find a bunch of strangers to act like this is all they got.

No nigga, you just left all you had to come over into some strangers.

You don't have us, you know what I'm saying, Yap, you don't have nigga.

Who Why would you come over?

You know somebody gonna shoot you over this shit?

Why the fuck would you come from wherever you was at to a bunch of strangers that you don't know what they did to represent them.

That's like a.

Motherfucker that crossed from Mexico that come here when they're twenty five and join the military.

They might be it for they might do that.

Though I get it, I get it.

It's like Pete if it got you instant citizenship.

Yeah, I'm fighting.

I want to be a citizen.

But you how do you find this patriotism?

You don't even know these motherfuckers?

You know?

Are these motherfuckers?

Who are these people?

As people who people look like that, who want to be legends, you know, in their own lives.

But I think acceptance is like the biggest thing with all people, like from all walks of life, whether it's the union at work, whether it's the military, whether it's a fraternity in college, whether it's the end crowd at work during lunchtime.

I think we have a yearning to belong to something, and there isn't really too many regulations on that.

I mean, had he been from your neighborhood, he probably would have been trying to get down with y'all at the same mate you got down with them.

You know.

I think people just have a natural yarning to want to belong to something, be it good or bad.

Bro sling a relationship with an idea in their own lines, like.

The game between our neighborhoods.

Bro it's y m C, a's, it's boys, games clubs, other gangs.

Maybe cripping is more cooler than.

What Why not go join the ninsense?

Please go join the chess club.

Between seventy six, Between seventy six and a street, that's a lot of streets.

You then passed up a lot of crips to get there, you know, like game man on the each side, ain't like gang back on the West side.

Y'all hear these stories.

Shout out to all the homies from six O.

When they trade, they they gangs be big as watts.

Hey trade is so big.

I'm in it trade right now.

Literally, I've been the eight trade barehead over here in of Memphis.

I just I saw it last week and baby left.

But Trey in south central Los Angeles.

One of the things that came into consideration when like, why would he come all the way from over there?

If it was somebody else, maybe from maybe ten blocks away from you, that was just from a different neighborhood, would have had any different standing, was at the age and the distance.

D all the above, D all the above, cause it's like it's homies.

That's it's homies.

We got down with from Mona Park, right, Mona Park the next hood over right, Mona Park is the next hood over right.

Cool.

You don't got to be from the set if you from Mona Park.

If you're from Mona Park, you don't got to be from the set.

You from Mona Pork.

So you a home anyway, So you're gonna get treated.

Kendrick's first cousin, right, who's my man?

Babby pat Dog rest in peace.

He didn't have to get put on the seven Niggas.

Let it hustle.

He became probably my closest friend.

You, my men, you don't gotta be from the set to be the homie.

But you know how different you gotta because to come somewhere as twenty three year old, you then already slunk out of somebody else's Game Bang program to then enroll in this program.

These are strangers.

You don't even know these people because how.

And I feel like that's what's happening in hip hop that that makes.

Sense to me.

Not you said that, because just imagine if somebody tried to go to the Marines and it didn't cut it, then they tried to go to the army.

You look at him like, wait a minute, you wasn't good enough for this program, but you want to be a part of this.

Program, you get dishonorable dish you get, you get dishonorably distarge.

Marine W Well, I'm gonna gona be with the army.

Wait a minute, bro, I did what jump?

There's no Convettian games.

That's the problem.

If you get fired.

He's saying that for me from Wells Fargo, for Steel Gonta, the casts.

You go, they're gonna ask a question.

It's gonna be on the record, like hold up, let's call.

But I realized, Pete, it's not just games it's street urban culture in general.

Even in hip hop.

We don't do that ship.

But don't you all got references in games?

Like if I was trying to join the game, I couldn't give y'all like three references.

Like lex.

His nigga was a real deal.

His nigga put me on.

It made me feel cheap.

Hold up, sight Cusin, you're just putting anybody on?

Am I anybody man?

With all that smart ship?

Cuz smarty, smarty little kick thing, smarty little kick.

All the fuck cuzs are you brought me here?

Because you I'm a gym to the set.

I am a diamond to the set.

I am a fucking emerald.

Who the fuck is he?

I've been knowing you my whole life.

You met this motherfucker because you moved in these apartments and we don Hey, bro, hip hop is the same fucking way.

And everybody mad because I'm vetting it.

Nigga cool like man, y'all nigga vetting it.

They keeping nigga think y'all vetting it.

Somebody gotta vet this shit.

I'm vetting cripping too, And that's kind of my problem when I'm saying I don't know when it's shut up, bro, because I'm looking at niggas like I saw a nigga talking about he sell crack.

It was a story and he sells cracked.

I'm like, nigga, you need to not sell crack.

Niggas would have knew that.

Nigga.

You can't be no gang bag in La or d boy in La.

And I don't know who you is if.

You was doing anything decent Las small Bro.

It's like La, like Black La until you get to like West La.

You know, you get to West La and East La is different, maybe even in the beach.

And honestly, I know d boys and gang baggers in the beach, this beach, long beach.

I'm saying western it can be some niggas.

I don't know.

That's kind of far you know, poor poor far Trill is twenty two minutes.

That's far went t two minutes.

They're like eighteen what was about eighteen miles?

Watch peete?

So what we west La from from the seventh.

Look that's straight line eighteen miles.

That's fall.

I don't know what's going to six oh is nine miles.

I know.

I don't know every detail, but I know so any problem.

That's a long way to go back and forth.

Now, how many degrees of separation would that be?

Like if you called somebody on the West side about somebody you didn't know, how many phone calls would you want to make it till somebody lent one one?

It's amazing.

In like the South LA Greater Black community, everybody knows everybody.

Everybody for some reason, there's a three elementary school, two churches, and four basketball teams and knows every fucking body.

I swear to Christ from the fucking seven to ten to Lebrea.

It's unbelievable.

I know they're like, you're right, it is.

It's one degree.

It's crazy.

And that's how long I've been gang banging, and I've been around the culture.

It's one degree of separation.

If I got to make two phone calls, you're nobody hm hm like you you like you probably just lived there.

And I don't mean you lived there because Joey and Duke just lived there.

They're not cossarily like troopers.

But that's still one phone call.

Oh yeah, Joey and duce A Hamm.

And them sons.

Yeah, there's not a second there's not a second call.

Everyone knows that it's so tight on the first call, there's a consensus that neither the two week on the phone know who that guy is.

He's gone, he's not.

From here here fraud.

She ain't lying.

He ain't not from there to too ustle.

No, so it's impossible he'd be from there.

Yeah.

So it's like I feel like that's what's wrong with all street urban cultures.

It's not enough vetting.

Like it's funny because like when we get to white people versus the street urban culture.

Man, they'll let a motherfucker make them all kind of money.

But they like, you're not gonna be made though.

What was your man name?

What was the Jewish last?

Yes?

Sam Fox and his character that one.

Character was built?

Luck to ye about got that's Dutch.

That's like you could make money for us, you win us, but you ain't made.

Yeah, And see to me, that's how like I can respect that.

Like people talk so much ship right there be like black gangs, man, Black gangs is easy.

They I mean they not like you might have to be held accountable for some ship.

You say, Man, you go fucking around in the Mexican Games, they taxed the whole neighborhood lady gotta pay, everybody gotta pay.

Homies gotta pay, y'all all with us.

That's the program.

They ain't like the government.

Black gangs is cool.

They like, man, you ain't got that no money, You just a homie.

I'm like, bro, that's what they trying to do with hip hop.

They trying to make it cut wherever.

It's like, no, yeah, he hip hop to you hearing rapping rappity pep.

No no, no, no, no, no, you did the same bullshit.

No, And if it means you can't be in, it's so fucking what.

I eat Mexical food every fucking day.

I'm not Mexican.

I love creole food I eat.

I know how to make some of it.

I'm not creole.

Who told you know how to make it?

I'm just telling you, I know I got some even original recipes.

It don't make me creole.

Pizza Italian, that's my man.

I love Italian food.

I'm not Italian.

I don't care if I go over there and I learned how to make spaghetti and always they can show me how to make the posit from scratch and all the old techniques.

It just means I know how to make authentic Italian pasta.

That's it.

It doesn't make me Italian.

Nah, But I think that's a microcosmo what goes on.

We don't appreciate the original recipe.

And I was watching the Joe interview with Knives and Naves talked about being at Park James, like that information is indispensable at this time, like somebody that was at Park Jams is still rapping today and people trying to fry it out, like no.

We need we need Grandma's recipes.

Grandma taught mama how to cook, Mama teaches daughter how to cook, daughter teaches her daughter how to cook.

That's how family and tradition goes on.

We don't push grandma and be like, oh you seventy too.

We go use the air fryer.

We don't want to hear what you gotta say.

We gonna make the turkey and the may mac and cheese like no more.

We want we want easy man, we want easy made.

Yeah.

I agree with Trill, like even like the fact that we kind of treat this shit like it's a relic, Like I know that record, Yeah, it was great in the Bronx.

I mean, okay, I was fifty years ago.

So what it's kind of like, Yeah, it was a thing of the past.

We're here now.

It's evolved.

You know that that word likes it's very tricky, but that's kind of the thing.

Now it's evolved.

The eighties was this, the nineties?

Was that the two thousands, Even though we pigeonhole things to kind of like specific errors instead of it being basically what the entirety of what the culture is, it's like, Okay, I get it, but it's it's very lazy kind of I think.

Culturally we've always done like a three man weave, like a you could pick any point in the history of hip hop, it's gonna be a new nigga doing this thing, a nigga that been there for a little bit doing this thing, and nigga that been there for a while doing this thing.

We could pick any year and it's gonna be like that.

If we went to eighty seven, it's gonna be someone else considered a veteran like like Kudini was still doing decent at the time, more DMC with Modeston at the.

Time, but then you had a vet in eighty.

Seven mode from the seventies.

Yeah, like some of them the Vets in the eighties, but then you still had a newer dudes like the g Raps, the Canes, the Slick Ricks, the krs Ones, And you can go anytime in hip hop and you're going to see that going on.

I feel like right now is the time where people get mad about older people doing it.

It's like, look, Bruce Springsteen dropped the album in the twenty twenties, Dolly Parton dropped album in the twenty twenties.

That doesn't hinder the ability of a young country artist to grow.

Bruce Springsteen doesn't hinder the ability for a young rock artists to grow.

What it does is, look, it's someone that was twenty when Bruce Springsteen first came out, and they love Bruce Springsteen, so they want to continue to hear Bruce Springsteen.

I was raised off Na's music.

NAS taught me shit, and at the age of forty, NAS is what fifty two, NAS still.

Teaches me shit.

And I'm not saying I can't learn anything from a twenty two year old nigga.

I just don't really have that much interest in learning something from a twenty two year old.

But there's someone out there that's nine that a twenty two year old can teach them something because now it's only twelve years older than me, so when he was twenty one, I'm not so someone else could have that same relationship with the new artist.

I'm not hindering that fact.

A twenty two year old may not have something specifically for me.

It doesn't mean he has something to off, doesn't have anything to offer.

He has a worldview of his own.

He grew up in the two thousands.

I was a grown man in the two thousands, but his perspective, like these dudes grew up on the internet.

I remember going outside, getting my knees dirty, palls, then fights, going to different neighborhoods and you'll have to get four or five people to go to their swimming pool over there because you didn't want to get beat up or jump.

These kids don't understand that.

They don't call a duty.

They playing all these video games.

They not even going to parking.

They're not even approaching women.

We had to stick a put gum in our mouth or outfit had to be ay.

You had to put some carmet on your lips.

You might have needed a wingman to walk up and get a girl's name and hope she gave her number, and then you had to call and hope her dad didn't pick up, her brother didn't pick up, or her nosy mother didn't pick up.

These kids don't understand that, and this music that still speaks to those trials and tribulations that we went through.

That's why it's always going to be a real appropriate for people from all age groups to be able to make any music, not just rap.

It's because it's it's R and B singers that have been made like Sama to me have been married for thirty years.

It's other women that have.

Been married for thirty years that want to hear R and B from a woman talking about that they may not have, you know, the same experience of a summer walker that got three four baby dads that break up with a nigga every six months.

That music may not speak to them.

You know what I mean?

I feel like.

Slide No, I agree, gonna die?

Oh girl girl, Yeah, I just was thinking about that, and it's like I'm coming to a crossroads of like, damn, man, should I really be own motherfucker's Lex?

Should I really be like I still got so much fight Lex?

I'll be ready to fight for this shit, like nah fuck that, nah nigga, nah he not Nope, nope, even if I see niggas be lying about thy street background like.

I'm from here.

No you not, No, you're not.

No, you're not like I hate.

And it's so crazy because people have convinced themselves the only way you can make it out of Southern California as a rapper it's being a gang.

Member or associated with gangs.

Like Bro, there's all kinds I keep giving y'all the gym.

No, y'all did that.

Y'all did that, The West Coast did that.

God can't blame nobody but y'allselves.

Y'all did that how because y'all don't give.

That same love to niggas that's not gang affiliated, Like who wasn't showing freestyle fellowship that same love y'all shoulder niggas.

Y'all was not showing hold on, hold On, y'all.

Wasn't showing Luke pat that same love self?

Scientific didn't get that same love y'all likes.

Y'all liked the butcher what.

Y'all loved that, y'all loved over their mouth rolling slopan stand next to easy.

You still ignorance, gaping about the bauchery.

He was wrapping by revolution, but it was wrapped up in the veil of the bachery.

We kind of like by the time danced and stuff.

Was kind of dance like all time left that fog of mystery there as to whether he like he like to me anyway it was I was always like, is he a raighter?

Is he not?

And it was never really made clear.

I feel like he was.

Content to let it not be clear.

And Charlie benefits for that not.

Being I mean, he as you walked that fine line where like I'm a revolutionary, but I still drink a forty with you and I might slap your bit if she ACKed up in the gas station.

He didn't.

I kept that fine line.

He kept it very sweet urban culture though too.

You know what I'm saying, He'll let you know, let you know what was going on in the project.

You know what I'm saying.

He didn't do like to from the East Coast, and and Quasi claimed that he was straight out of confect.

Cube though, like Cuba is a deity in the hood.

If you go to any black barber shop, and you ask anybody over the age of fifty, they top five rabbits.

That's the fact he didn't like Hosar something.

He said, I'm straight out of Compon.

But remember Conton wasn't nothing at that time to people, he's the real.

Once he said I'm straight out of content.

That's his that was that was his job as an entertainer, because that was the myth of n W wait the click, the click.

Niggas with attitude were out of comptent.

So it wasn't like he got It's not like if somebody lies today and say they from Compton.

Now you're trying to claim the fame.

He created the fame.

Yeah, like when he said he was straight out of Conto.

All of content, falsely writing his way.

No, if you're.

He said, it made it.

It made it cool.

He made it cool to say he was for Compton.

Yeah, it was en evil at the time.

Like it's like Prodigy, what's different because Prodigy the bridge was already.

The bridge was already going on.

The bridge already going.

On the bridges, already want the revamping, the revamping of the bridge.

Though he played a big part of the revamping of the bridge, and it was it was Nis came out before.

I think the following year was marb Deep.

You know what I'm saying like that though, so it was the bridge pumping, but he was standing next to Havoc and a bunch of anybody else else from Queensbridge though.

You know what I'm saying, the accomplished on juvenile.

Hell No, that's what I was saying.

I said that right there.

I don't think they did though Lex Lex is probably no.

I don't think they was talking on Queensbridge and ll.

That's why I was saying that before Lex, were they talking, Well, they talking about queen Bridge drivenile Lex, not that I remember that, not right, No, that's what I said and from the back and gold.

VM ask your question though, to answer your question, wild whatever that's sound wild?

Listen, what's the significance of a fifty year old rapper that went to park Jams?

I actually looking Queens because no, no, no, no, because in Queens and where I come from, in Queens here, the punk jams is rotch down.

That's a fair You went to a punk jem over there in queens Bridge.

No one traveled over to that.

No, no, no, no, let me say this real quick.

No, no, that's what I'm saying, though he back too far?

Okay, no, no, no, no, no, this isn't this is in queens Bridge.

Do you remember this in Long Island City also, So it wasn't just queens Bridge in there.

It was queens Bridge, it was there was a bunch of projects in there.

Queens Bridge.

Ravens would a story of projects, you know what I'm saying.

They all meeting up right there underneath the bridge.

You know what I'm saying, right there neath the bridge and doing the party right there.

So it wasn't just yeah.

So I so when Lex sits here told y'all that he didn't he never went over there.

No, wasn't nobody from south Side going over there, like he said, south Side got based in over there.

Boy, well, because it's something like that doing something what I'm saying, So in the tapes, I think that's that's the importance.

But where where's the proof?

Because you know what.

South Side had the south Side south Side we like to taste circulating all over New Girl, clearing down the east coast.

So where where are the park jam tapes?

Definitely I think the importance of that is, like just hearing you know, someone that isn't from Queens may not understand that.

They would think, oh, if Queensbridge having to park gym, everybody from Queens is then y'all like we had our own ship that's in the South Side.

You know, Corona had their own ship going on, you know what I mean.

And I think that some of them if I have a block party.

So if I have a block party, that's not it and three people come out and think pole out.

Can say from the.

Window block parties and.

You don't got to be on your mic.

You're not not good right there, But you gotta do something within that though not lex like a radio.

It's like an old school doing the radio.

But Lex.

That's the importance of it is he's getting to tell a distinct story about a distinct part of Queens that may not exist in twenty years.

You know what I mean, when my kids grow up, they may not be a Queen's Bridge.

But oh, the biggest project in America used to in the world the world.

Yeah, and that old guy on stage with the tuxedo, rapping with that orchestra, he's from there.

He's talking about these things that never go on anymore.

And he's talking about the description of what it was like being out there.

And I think that's the beauty of it, because a park jam and Queen's Bridge may not look how a park jam on south Side looks, or how park jam and Harlem look, or how park jam in Mount Vernon, the Yonkers or New Rochelle.

That's the studio.

If you had a permit, you didn't have a party.

Permits.

That's why the police was got down.

What's going on?

Lex?

See when I'm trying to come very to you with that, just because you have a park chain doesn't mean it's a park chain.

Huh.

So you try to do so he tried to do some wizardry.

What the hell?

You couldn't be put serap because pup shoot, don't make a pancakes.

Let me just say this, then, let me just say this Grandmaster vict comes from the south Side.

Outside south Side.

He's not but he elevates the park team.

He's a legend.

The Lost Boys come from the south Side park.

Parts of Onyx come from the south Side park.

Teat Oh, you're talking so much later on what I'm saying where when what I'm saying is that they were grown men.

Me as a child not understanding the park jam?

Sure, right, and now I have a whole different perspective.

Just because that's sixty and you were walking, you were eating the back of wise chips, and you were walking in the area, that doesn't mean you could really articulate, particulate and understanding on after I'm finishing cant and so the last thing I say is this, though, who are all the park Because to mention that you had park jams, you have to have significant people who come from it, who make expecsional.

Who comes from the contents bridge part jams?

Are you out here man?

Man?

Are you?

Yes?

What street you from?

One hundred and seventy street?

Did you have block parties?

No?

Did you have any type of gatherings like alley parties?

I mean they got alleys up to the project.

Yeah, parties.

We asked my parties if that's anyone that had like.

A frequent party like you want every four times a month, I mean four times a year, five times a year, anyone.

Or even though Isaac's we would always go to the parties and the projects, Imperial Courts, Jordan down shit like that, they would party.

A little bit.

More so, was there a no DJ that was like kind of making that happen like someting like on some African number by the stuff like it was on it.

He made it happen.

You just knew not the DJ.

No what about then, mco Yo follower Coolio?

So Coolio wants to kick you?

You know Coolio was doing something down there?

What's going down there?

And shit was going down right?

Yes or no?

But yeah, go ahead.

So it's out from the hood and I.

Just come back from a trip and you see me who I wanted to yo.

You know Coolio's doing doing this thing night, No doubt seen there.

If you see me in a different part of calend your coolill is doing this thing?

Uh, no doubt.

Be that mean we're not gonna do that's what we're doing.

Things means don't have ship like that?

Fuck?

Hold on?

You know.

My point is don't you can't mention something not even do at a high level?

Right man?

Would this have anything to do with your irrational fears?

Godless?

Meaning that seven that you're said that when he's fifty and he went to a punk jack he needs something that means nothing.

When you went to about me, do me something?

Hold on, it means nothing.

When you went to an insignificant punk jam.

I was an insignificant park jam.

Bro, are you crazy you're saying you're saying the park jam that was underneath the fifty ninth sheet bridge insignificant.

Me, why are you saying like that?

Like a second, that's what that's That's what Sam was rapping about me, Like you know, it was insignificant.

You wasn't there.

That's what the whole song the bridge was about, was the park.

It was significance.

He would have been there, it's his.

No, he was scared to go to park Gams.

He didn't go towards the Bronx.

He didn't want He didn't want the Bronx rive and saw band rock.

He didn't know.

It's gonna be.

Honestly, like you hain't been none of the significant parks in the South Bronx in your life, yourself.

And the culture.

Man, I'm not gonna talk about how silsy the Bronx was.

I'm not gonnabut James in significant as well.

Excuse me, excuse me?

Whose whole listeners for the park right now?

Just understand Lex speaks for himself.

No, no, no, no, no, no, not on that one, right we're not doing this Bronx.

Music that they don't even make the Two Bears over New Roads over.

But Lex can possibly get robbed and knife in my back.

Nobody's going to no classes.

The women had gasses and they you know they had both fifties before it was even known.

Then something again, let's speak for himself.

Yo to the advance.

But I would like to make it known that this is the greatest segment in the history of this show.

And you can shut out audio and use that to promote this segment of this episode.

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You might get your Bama statement.

You might get wrong for your jewel.

I didn't know why you were drove me to a project, but if you did, you thought you with somebody.

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