What's up?

And welcome back to another episode of No Sealer's Podcast with your hosts Now fuck that with your load, Glasses, Malone.

Pete Dog was the deal?

No deal?

No deal?

What happened with Memphis?

I know we'll see.

I don't have a clear picture tomorrow.

That's funny though, right.

I'm a little bit.

Did I tell you the story about how I got an with the bitch the realtor and killed the deal?

No?

No, this is all new news.

Share please, this is funny.

I don't want to get in any kind of trouble for how I talk about the realtor.

But the realtor was the name?

Huh?

Just don't say her name.

I look, you can get a hot ass take, or you can get a safe ass take.

Which one do you want?

At ouch?

Ouch, guys, I need you to I'm gonna preface this by saying, Glasses, you have gotten some negative feedback from some people.

I do not know how influential those people may or may not be in the past regarding my takes on times about certain groups of people.

Okay, this is going to be one of those takes.

All right, all right, you want it, you fucking got it.

I said, it's lazy ass bitch realtor, can't do ship, can't do shit right, couldn't do shit right from the beginning.

Has just got married like last year or this year, because she got like on one web profile, it's like blank Smith, then it's blank Neil, then it's blank Neil hyphen Smith.

She can't get her fucking name straight.

I go to the place for your rich showing I don't live in the city.

She lives in the city.

She's right there.

The city's tiny, it's not a big place.

I get there.

She doesn't have the doors open.

She had never even fucking been there.

I'm sitting out side on a street corner getting the block spun two three times on me in South Memphis because while the fuck's this dude out there just posted at this place on a corner.

Like you open the shop saw.

I'm there for about an hour and twenty minutes and I never get in.

I saw half the property, not the whole property.

So I said, all right, well I want to I'll make an offer on it from what I saw.

I'm assuming the other two are the same as the two I saw.

The issue then, is I need an extended period of time to get back there to get it expected, and I need to see it myself.

So we go back and forth to jostle with the seller or whatever and get this extended period, which I only needed the extended period.

Why because she couldn't get the fucking doors open.

So I go back and she knows I'm coming back like week after next.

From that time, I tell her to advance the day and.

The time I'm flying in town.

I'm fly in from across the country again.

Sure, I show up there with my inspector, whom I paid already, and the doors aren't open.

Again.

Why you just didn't kick the doors open?

I don't.

You can't kick that ship open like those like safety iron doors, and there's more doors, plus I gotta pay for it.

I'm kicking in my own fucking doors.

Where's she at though she there?

Who the fuck knows wasn't there?

She never shows, She just sad emails and ship.

So then I get super pissed.

I said, you can't get the doors on, gona kill the deal, fucking So she's she's tossed me back in.

That's sorry.

Fine, So I said, I want this ship, I want these doors open.

I'll call the property measure company again the first time.

I'm gtting out there for over an hour.

This bitch sends me a screenshot with the phone number of the of the company, and like twenty minutes of waiting that she'd been on hold.

I email her or I text her whatever.

She sits me back.

I haven't heard back.

Da da da da.

I'm like, I gotta do this shit myself.

So I'm in the hotel room.

I'm like, how the I'm like, I text her, what's the name of this fucking company?

What's their address?

Hours go by at this point I'm in the I'm walking to my car to go to her office or her house.

So as I'm thinking, I can wait a minute, she said me to the screenshot.

I pull the number up.

I call it.

It's the general number.

It's not the it's not a specific number.

It's just the general company call center number.

But I get the company name.

I get another number.

I get an address.

Within thirteen minutes for me leaving the hotel room, I am in the office of the guy who runs all of relations for landlords bing.

I get him there.

He calls the people personally.

I get his personal email and all the rest is ship.

So the next day I get the doors life unlocked.

All the while, this idiot bitch is sending me emails like she's trying to send me these email updates that she's getting from this guy named Taylor who runs the division.

Her the handle business, Taylor Handle Business.

He did a fine job, so he's the only reason she's even getting the emails she's getting from this guy is because I asked to have her c seed for legal purposes, and then she's forwarding me emails.

I got her c seed on, acting like she's on top of the ball crazy.

It was insane.

Then I leave.

I have a new inspection.

This is inspection number two.

This is after visit number two.

I talked to her, I said, are the utilities on?

Yes, the utilities are on?

Okay, I have the inspector.

She's a lazy bitch.

She's a lazy bitch.

Bear in mind, this is her job.

She's getting paid, right, She's getting paid for the shit.

So Friday before last or something like that, I'm not getting paid.

I'm paying.

She's getting paid money that one could argue is mine.

So the inspector goes there, does the whole inspection, doesn't contact me.

I get the inspection paperwork done, meaning when you paid and get the paperwork, that's it.

There's no other talk.

That's six hundred bucks.

He says.

I couldn't do all the inspection because the electric wasn't on, the gas wasn't on, and the water wasn't it.

Yeah, after the bitch told me they were all on.

So then I get pissed.

I send an EMI said, look, we either gonna drop the price and keep the day, and I mean to drop the price a lot, or we can drop the price half that much and push the day back.

Additionally, there's an extra thousand dollars you want in a contract dendm addendum.

In either option that's out.

You're getting no money on top of your legal minimum, so you can forget that, or this deal's debt.

She emails me, that's my standard thing.

I put it in an all contract.

I email her back.

You're lazy, you're incompetent, and you have failed to be proactive at any opportunity throughout this process.

I will not pay you a nickel or this deal dies here.

And now.

She gets on the phone.

I never hadn't want to talk to me like that.

This is so beneath me.

I I have a track record.

You can see my track record run in your mouth and all is bullshit.

She's toughed herself out like Fraser on the ropes, and I go, all right, you done?

Then killed the deal and give me my fucking money back.

She triest it, then run some scams saying that I didn't have my LLC register.

I send her the registration documents that were done the day before the contract was signed, because why the fuck else when I signed a contract without the ship being done.

Then she sends a release thing.

She doesn't send it to the company's suposed to give me the money back on the deadline, so I have to go do that.

I get all the money back, and blah blah blah, blahlah blah blah.

So, without getting too far into what I really want to say about her, that's what happened, and the deal died.

And then after that, just for fun, because she's so competent and has a track record, and shoot your mouth off.

After fucking up over and over and over and over again, she sends me a sales contract for a different property and a different buyer by accident, and since you an email later saying disregard, to which I replied in one word, incompetent.

So I killed the deal over her not getting a thousand dollars.

Okay, but so now did you?

So what happened?

So what are you waiting for?

Then the next day I got some other deals in place, So I got an inspection on a new property tomorrow.

So we're gonna see how that goes.

Okay, Scenaria.

North Side?

Is that better?

No, it's part no siblings.

Lasses Malone got my brother Peter Boss in the house going through hell.

This time, we got King over here with us, and we got Sega over here.

Man, I've been wanting to talk to you, dog.

Why the hell would you want to talk to me?

Well?

Really for your business white Man's advice with his business in America.

Why don't you tuned into the first segment you realized that's not going very well?

I disagree.

I think when you had new businesses every seven I think I think you just don't play.

You just don't play, you know what I mean, especially with people that's not your frieze.

It's a famous rapper from Memphis once put out an album entitled Mister Don't Play mister.

Don't play a.

So last week Billboard released a statement.

I know I'm imagining it's Billboard, but the statement was released that rap for the first time in thirty five years, failed to chart in the top forty on the Hot one hundred Billboard charts.

The singles, only the singles, and it's sent off a title wave through social media, and you get all of the bullshit conversations about, oh my god.

You know, the first thing is rap is not as good.

The second thing is obviously the owls.

Oh ever, since our boy lost the battle, even though he put out twenty something songs, thirty something songs this year that many Yeah, he put out an whole album and a bunch of singles, damn.

And so you get all of these ridiculous theories of what's wrong now to get into the top forty on the Hot one hundred charts.

Major labels most likely ninety nine point nine percent of the time major labels are involved, because that is a thing where fuck just the money.

You need a staff of people doing the same thing at the same time, understanding that things need to be done at the same time, Like, you know, you could start a record in la and if it take too long in the build and by the time it builds up to number one in LA, then you start trying to work it in Ohio.

It could be falling out of contention in LA like it ran its course, So it takes a staff.

So it's not just money.

Like a buddy of mine's had a bunch of money chasing the record and they couldn't.

They probably spent two three four million dollars trying to get the record into the top forty independently and couldn't break the top eighty.

So if you look like at the top forty, now would it be mostly major record labels everyone?

Are those problems that are unique to that genre?

Yeah?

Because top forty is officially a pop hit record.

Yeah, that's pop radio.

If a song is playing, if a song is trying to top forty, it's playing on pop radio.

Right For the most part, there are a couple songs that a chart that start high because everybody's streaming them.

But if a song had any legs in the top forty, it's because it's playing at pop radio.

Rap songs break down into three panels.

Like rap songs when it comes to radio, what's the three panels?

Pop radio, rhythmic radio, urban radio.

Okay, so.

Different radio stations report to different panels.

They say, we're gonna play We're gonna be urban radio stations.

We're gonna cater to to black music where densely populated community music.

Like to be number one at at urban panel, it used to be right around five thousand spins, to be number one somewhere between thirty five hundred and five thousand a week, yes, damn to be at rhythmic radio, it'll be somewhere between seventy five hundred and eighty five hundreds even more.

Yes, So this is like, let's say I don't know, but let's say it's I can google it and give you the exact answer, which is pretty neat today.

Let's see AI.

But I kind of understand because when you listen to the radio, they will play the same song almost a couple of times an hour.

That's why it's called programming.

You know what I'm saying.

Stations in the US report to the urban panel.

Okay, they're not giving it, so I have to look it up.

But urban format is a radio station.

It's a style of radio.

So let's say it's one hundred radio stations that focus on the urban, the urban format of radio.

Let's say in rhythmic, there's two hundred radio stations that report to rhythmic format of radio.

And then there's pop radio.

Kiss at film a song at Kiss FM because it has let's say it has five hundred radio stations, right, this is the stations that play music for mainstream America.

It could be as much as fifteen thousand spins.

So like the number one song in the country, if it's on radio station's performing a rap song, it could be getting spin somewhere between twenty and twenty five thousand times a week.

So here's my question, because the way that you know, rapping stuff fill out the top forty, do you think they'll still keep the rap hip hop category?

Well, that's that's there, so that's always there, a hip.

Hop and R and B, so they'll always keep that category, but they won't to let the rap go back over in the pop.

Well, it will go back over there.

So what really happened is they entered they created a new rule called recurrent.

The recurrent rule, they say the goal of it was to be able to introduce new records into the top forty.

So if a song had been there long enough, and it was If it's twenty five weeks and it was below twenty five, they'll say, okay, we'll put this on recurring, so it'll come off the top forty chart, even though it's still playing amongst the top forty radios, the top forty songs, but it won't be on the chart anymore.

For example, like Luther Luther.

If not for that rule, Luther would still probably be between thirty and forty, but because it's below that after so many weeks, thirty weeks or something, it was like thirty seven, they said, okay, we'll take this out, put this on recurring.

It's still a play on radio, but it won't be on the chart.

So there are two rap songs that will still be in the top forty, but because of the recurring rule, they take them out.

And then they pushed out that kind of information without update people on the rule change that was recent.

But if you're in the top twenty five, you're safe only for so long.

The recurrent ve you gotta move up right, If you keep moving down, yeah.

You gotta go, you gotta keep but if you start going down too fast.

Down, here's the recurrent Crazy.

Billboard Hot one hundred recurrent rules dictates when songs are removed from the chart.

In October twenty twenty five, the rules were updated to remove songs faster by setting new thresholds.

A song is removed if it falls below number five after seventy eight weeks.

So that means if it was on the.

Chart for seventy eight weeks and it was number five, but then on a seventy ninth week it was six six, they take it.

Off the chart.

Wow, not even the top number ten after fifty two weeks.

So if it's been on the chart for fifty two weeks and falls left eleven, they take it off the chart completely.

Okay, twenty five after twenty six weeks.

So if it's twenty six weeks and it falls to number twenty six, they take it off the chart.

Wow, fifty after twenty weeks.

The change aims to increase chart turnover and make space for newer hits, addressing the congestion caused by long lasting songs popular on streaming services.

How that goes?

How do you feel about that?

Honestly?

Right?

Because it's like a double sword to be just hear what you said, right?

I mean I'm sure they're trying to give radio some leadway because streaming being kicking ass.

Songs are charting because of streaming and radio they're lasting.

So a song could chart high because of streaming.

Like let's say a song like Not Like Us debuts number one, and because it's you know, we're all tuned into this battle, so the songs are being marketed to us and then we all go jamming.

Right now, it's roughly the equivalent of let's say one hundred and.

Fifty million streams, right, or let's say it's one hundred.

Let's say it's fifteen million streams.

That'll push a song one hundred, like fifty million streams, or push a song to number one to stay in America.

So then right, so it's at number one.

Let's say the first week number was.

I could figure out the official number.

But don't that mess with like first week being in the top forty.

Don't that add like money to people?

Like ain't that a value the artist is to be in the top forty?

Officially?

Yes, value, but you got to now you got to stay there, you know what I'm saying.

First week, Kendrick Lamars Not Like Us achieved seventy million streams US streams first week number one, right, So it's seventy million streams in seven days, right or less?

Because that's ten millions.

Waity, it didn't come out on the It didn't come out.

I mean it might have came out on the Friday.

I just don't remember.

So that's the equivalent, right, So one hundred the seventy minion streams is the equivalent of him selling gold in the first week.

So it debuts number one.

That's before radio truly gets involved.

Okay, I say what you're saying, Yeah, that's just because the whole world was interested in this back and forth and that was doing the marketing.

It was on the news.

So you're saying, like, as soon as this release date was on, it streaming it before radios could even put it in the program.

Yes, okay, So.

Seventy million streams divided by one hundred and fifty because one hundred and fifty streams in America.

Okay, one sees a play.

Rixty six thousand buys how much four hundred four hundred and sixty six thousand, So roughly it was in the first week.

Half almost half.

The So now that song, right, that song.

That song right comes out right and boom.

Now it shows an interest, it shows its performing.

So now it's goes to radio and say, hey, you already see this number.

This song is gold in the first week, you guys should play this song.

And really was like, you know what, we're gonna play this song.

So then now they playing.

So now it was number one for the second week because streaming and now radio's planning it.

And then it's number one for the third week because streaming.

How they track radio plays, they have a thing called soundscin it's like they all met a out of their tag like a thumb print.

So every time the radio station play a song, it's like a thumb print.

Okay, because I was always curious how they tracked that.

Yeah, they have it, put a fingerprint on a song, and it's like a computer, like just.

A computer monitors the time.

Okay.

So I say that to say, like, that's one of those times right where streaming we're all involved to know something is happening, and then we could go stream the song and then radio took over and then it was playing.

For weeks and weeks and weeks and weeks.

So it's stayed high on the charts.

So I say that to say what I want to tell Pete is I think there's a conscious effort for regul labels.

This is their doing.

It feels like they're doing like record labels have kind of most corporations in America are going international.

Me and Malcolm was talking about this, Me and Milchael May's Little bro where all of these English actors were coming to get these roles about black people in America.

Story there was a huge influx like the guy that played you know, Freeway Rick or Franklin, Saint and Snowfall, right Like, there's a ton of English.

There's a real black English invasion happening when it comes to black stories in America.

Look at the NBA, A lot of the talent, right Giannis, they're overseas.

You know, it seems like white American dollars, right, American dollars are going international.

And I think that's what was happening with the Lake.

You know, it's a worldly market.

You know, I'm sure there's tons of more opportunities.

You know, if you can get an artist from a Korean artist with K pop or or afrobeasts, artists from Nigeria, you know what I mean, there's an international value to it, but I can't help but believe part of it is very much.

Yeah, nigga, you niggas ain't in demand like nigga.

We can replace you niggas at the job of a hat.

That's the question you want to ask, Peter.

Is that true?

No, No, that's not what I want to ask Pete.

I want what I wanted to ask Pete is what's going on with international?

Is it the Internet that's making the business world shrink to where like American corporate.

Dollars, or it's making it to expand like like a universe engineered.

What's happening with the NBA.

The NBA is heeraging domestic viewership and values being bullied by the Pacific rim market and Europe.

That's why you see the NFL going down.

That's brilliant setting up all these football games in Germany.

They have like a whole series of NFL games in Europe because in order to maintain growth trajectory, they have to be able to expand their markets.

You you don't have burricanes of consumerism.

So so, Pete, at that point, would you believe there's a connection like to people in Europe because like let's say, afrobeats artists is closer to Europe, is there more of a connection because a lot of those Nigerian artists are people that move to England.

You know, they are moving to the UK, not that many.

I mean, like, if that were the case, there's more people moving to Europe in the Middle East to be making Middle East to music.

So then what's really going on with corporate dollars going international?

Is it all growth?

They need to Yeah, they need to expand.

Yeah, they need to maintain a growth curve, because that's why you see like people paying these insane amounts of money for like people's catalog IP You know, I don't understand how the hell they're worth that much.

But in order if you buy you know, Bruce Springsteen's shit for two hundred million dollars, He's seventy five years to die tomorrow, You're not going to gain that back ten years from now in a depleted US interest index.

You have to be able to expand that out to a global consumption in order to make that work.

And the same is true with anything else.

And so I guess what I'm hearing is you saying that we just have to are we too, Like, are we not as interested in and stuff anymore?

Is that what you're saying?

In some degree yeah and some degree yeah, But also you have to pair that in there.

Look at the paradigm that they're using.

They're using the tech model of globalization.

Companies got really, really, really wealthy because you could essentially like all right, let's say like Microsoft, for example, in the night through Now, okay, we could sell you know, Windows ninety eight CDs around the US or whatever the hell, but there's nothing really stopping us from once you were able to download it from the cloud, you know, the whole world.

Most of that tech money comes from global consumption and global business applications.

So they see, oh wow, I thought that my company was really was really worthwhile at two billion dollars.

That company's got three trillion dollars in market cap.

How are they doing it?

Oh, they're doing it that way.

Well, we should do it that way because they have trillions and we have billions, and I don't like billions anymore.

Billions aren't cool anymore.

Trillions are cool.

So does the hip hop into business, the hip hop independent business?

Is it time to pursue international thing?

That's a different question, there's what.

Because I had a crazy idea, right I thought about that one time, moving to South Africa, like shipping my low Rider over there, moving to South Africa and then making all my music from South Africa and driving my low Ride around South Africa.

Almost like the whole marketing becomes a fish out of water.

Sure well, like I'm living my life as this cryp in South Africa.

Like I remember we was looking at the house of Pete.

I think I was showing you back at that time they had the condos for seventy thousand that was on the beach, and I was like, man, that became when I figured out marketing.

This is right after two park months died.

Around that time.

I was like, man, if I moved to South Africa, I could ship the low Ride over that, I could put the studio.

I know how to run all the equipment.

I could just make my whole premise.

Here's this cryp living in South Africa, you know, and then shooting videos going out on dates with South African girls and no riders in South Africa and you just living like a cryp in South Africa.

And I just thought the paradigm if you see that visually.

You know, some nigga wearing dickies and chucks and ship here in South Africa posted up eating at the spot with.

A blue rag and yeah that's a visual, you.

Know what I mean?

I feel like, you know.

So where the corporations where they're like, you know, we need new audiences for me is like I need new stories right like this, Like I.

Remember we was gonna shoot the video for tour.

I remember he was talking about going to Jerusalem, like I found a low rider close to Jerusalem and we was gonna have a house party with a bunch of.

Strippers from Israel.

What what what?

What?

What?

What's the proper terming.

Out strip strippers?

No, no, not strippers, but it's a name for people in Israel, not Arabic Hebrew.

We's gonna have a bunch of Hebrew.

Stripper, I was, I was trying to say a stripper and.

Yeah, but it was like a stripping like the like the like the like prostitute was illegal, but we had actually to get a bunch of strippers.

So we was gonna go to Jerusalem have a stripper party, the low rider parking the.

Driveway, dipping around the low rider like it's illegal.

Like we criffing and thugging executed.

I got a question for you.

Mos fucking talk.

Do you think do you think the record labels feel like they don't need black people to sell hip hop anymore worldwide?

No?

I thought at one time they thought they can get that off, but last year pretty much put it into that thug Yeah, okay, But so I think the labels are just like Peace saying, I think they're expanding markets.

They're like, we're growing new audiences because they already have tons of catalog.

So how do they push hip hop to the world without the blacks in America?

They do so they're not trying to push, They're pushing whatever product they're selling.

And if you're like Peter saying, a growth curve right, like.

A NFL is pretty much tapped out in America.

They need more stadiums, so they gotta give more cities.

Well, you need more people.

People to market to, so to be stadiums, Like if you put a game over here, now you can get fans of the NA, but that's a whole stadium.

That's a stadium of fans that's like real tangible.

Because TV only reaches so many people, they already got that.

They need to This is what I'm saying.

They need to fill more stadiums.

No, remember if they try to reverse engineer that process thirty years ago.

Remember like the massive corporate artificial push to make like soccer in the MLS like really popular in the US never really took.

That's because it's the largest GDP, it's the most robust, can concentrated market in the world.

They want in with America.

Yeah, so that's why they put the soccer stuff over here.

Yeah, so what he's so, it's not necessarily the stadiums, Like, I don't think they're talking about quite taking the game global needs new cars, like teams.

I think they're oh know, they're talking about putting the NFL teams over in Europe.

I know, but they's just talk.

That's a long way away because you know, I mean just the sheer flight.

But what they're trying to do is gain audiences everywhere.

I mean, you can look at the Dodgers.

Shit, we just won the World Series with two guys that are Japanese guys, and now it's like they were showing the Dodgers World Series on the news.

It was like the middle of the night or some shit like like three and four in the morning.

It's a whole fucking bar full of Japanese people watching the Dodgers play.

That's That's why, if we're being honest, the most valuable person to the League of the NBA of the twenty first century was not Lebron James or Cook Bryant was yellming.

Sure yeah, China, Yeah, billions and billions of people.

Their market carries this league on its back.

Yeah.

So that at which place does the independent hip hop artists start to look and say, hey, you know what, maybe these stories are tired.

M h you're you're you're getting into I thought we were going to do a topic similar to this like a few months ago.

So I wrote out this whole thesis on this topic, which is now in my storage unit in Miami, probably stoked and humid mold.

But it was hip hop is on hospice or hip hop is in hospice, and the historical time frame ARC is not favorable.

It's it's similar to like rock and metal music's ARC where it kind of just got it's it's separated out.

No longer the bail of tree music.

Now they're just doing country music with a little more tempo, but there is no rock genre anymore to speak.

Of, really, not in not in mainstream pop radio.

Yeah, it's very much is.

Niched h So hip hop Hi, it's heights, I think because the same thing happened at a little older It's hard to be rebellious when you see your parents at the concert.

M m.

Yes, a demographic of consumption, it is.

And that's where hip hop is at now.

Yeahposed to be a concert with somebody nineteen, So whatever edge you felt kind of might go out the door.

And that's why R and B and country don't have those arcs, because they're not rebellious in nature in the same way they're they're much more like consistent, closer to what it was about, you know.

They're more about like love.

They're more about some feelings and stuff like that and and and not about uh more mature.

Hip hop is all about it, rebellious in it.

And the other not timeless in history, but timeless in the human life.

Sure, sure, And to me that's part of it too.

Whereas like it might have ran its course as the bell of the ball right where it's like, you know, there's okay, cool, But as far as the independent artists like.

My thing also is.

Every day people like poverty is special.

Poverty and broke can be the same, but they're not always the same.

And everybody in poverty is broke when everybody broke ain't in poverty.

Poverty is like.

Something you take pride in as odd as it sound, like you okay with not having something, so you developed this way of life, right, and then it breeds culture.

Right.

It's like you know, you don't get spaghetti if people don't try to just make it work.

And people like, you know what, fuck that.

I'm not eating this old ass fucking vest with old tomatoes.

I'm not putting this shit together and put it over this cheap starchy pasta suffitue.

Blah blah blah.

No, I'm going to figure out how to get some money and eat chicken whatever it is they eat in fally.

Chicken whatever whatever the flies chicken dishes.

Right, They're like, I'm not fucking this is your this is the question to you.

Well, I was just saying, you know what I think you need to do.

Look at like Jermaine dupri twenty plus years ago, or did he when they would have like like maybe like like one twelve or Jacket.

There's some of those like R and B groups, you know in the hooks of the rap songs, right, you just got to swap them out for K pop.

I've been I told them, I told him, I said brought that before, but no, I said that to him before.

Yeah, but we passed that because right, that's the point of like I realized, there's a.

Soda that's not go Ahead fifteen.

So that's like the song with Everlast that sounds like a country song, like that's going where the industry is going, right country?

Me and people just talking about that, like it is going k pop, it is going country, it is.

Going afro beats.

So it's like, if you want to go with you say, it's going right, if you want to go where that going, that goes away from hip hop though, right, or you gotta find the mean way to go, find the medium.

But it's not necessary.

But I agree it's not healthy.

I remember being a fan of the Fat Boys when I was younger, and then they did this song with the Beast Boys called Whiteout, and I hated that song.

You still hate it to this day.

Right now.

I can't stand that song.

That's like rock this way.

I hate that song.

I love when hip hop takes rock and it makes their thing.

But when rappers rap over rock is fucking it's only a handcasser.

Fire.

You said, rap over rocks whack, Okay.

Because it's so rhythm oriented and there's no rhythm there exactly.

Rock is very funny like that.

So like rock box is the ship, or tricky is the ship or.

I get though, no, no, no, because that's different thing taking the the van hated break.

Right, So when they took the break of rock and then they structure it a little closer to hip hop's natural order, it will still have the rock field, but you may hip hop out of it versus rock this way, where they're rapping over a rock song.

Yeah, so it could get really tricky.

It has as much rhythm as Big Ruba.

There you go.

You can get tricky trying to cross genre, you know what I mean?

Music like hip hop is pure, Like you could take any genre and make hip hop.

But this is another thing when you just take that genre and then you start rapping over that genre, Like hip hop is still in the break of a song, so you gotta take the break and organize the break to.

Feel hip hop.

But if you just rap over the fucking instrumental, that shit could be a fucking headache.

Our R and B and infuse that into rock either or else you have an age fundraiser song.

Oh my god, Pete, you need to go back on the circuit.

So like so when you go with a major label, if you want a major label, you see where they're going.

They're going country, they're going afrobeast, they're going k pop.

So if you want to sell something to them and you want them to work something, hey this is where we're going, you have.

To collaborate with one of those piece.

Just like at one time when all the pop artists was putting rappers on their song, they was like, hey, this is where we're going right here, you want to put ODV on the phone, right So by rappers.

Got put worldly people on they songs.

Bring a Jamaican dance hall into head and direct.

They'll bring them money.

You know worldly, I guess international international, that's what American like, you know back original country music, Like that's what I'm saying that one song for one ten Like I'm listen thinking about that Chevy commercial and then putting ever last song in him playing the guitar.

I'm not even trying to cross genres.

I'm just trying to make the best hip hop song out of the idea.

And then I was like, this is the closest person I know that can capture that energy, right, which is ever Last?

Who is a hip hop person that you know that knows how to kind of dabble in soft rock and country like this kind of element, this outlaw element that allows him to do it.

So then he'll plan on the song and singing the hook and then the choir like that's hip hop to me.

I'm making hip hop.

But the origin of the song is fucking Bob Sieger, and Bob Singer is soft rock kind of country like this bridge.

So that's a song that I know we're gonna be able to make a play and sell to the labels, and the labels can push it right, right, and then you have this album and you make it work like that.

But you don't want to try to do that ship, you know what I'm saying.

That ship could get really fucking funky.

You will end up with a wipeout real fast.

And it could be a song that performs well, but it could be like a career killer.

Give me an example of a career killer.

Somebody doing that wipe out, wipe out.

You think it's a career killer, really man, not just you personally, you think it fun their whole career up.

Listen, people hate a nigga that sell out once you start to sell out the ship.

And that looked that was a sellout doing that doing Yeah, they look bad.

So how come DMC then look like a sellout doing walk Walk this Way?

They pulled it off, though the kind of looked at them kind of remember this is a right around the end of their career.

When it Walked this Way come.

Out like it was like that's in the middle of their career, I think.

But it just went over the top and it was all just starting on the way down.

But they wasn't done on it.

No, not done to Walk this Way came out because I think that might have been their best one that might have been there.

Mostly success, yeah, more successful one, I think on what most successcuse me?

Most successful?

Rock this Way came out in eighty six, the summer of eighty seven.

Let's sears ll cu J, Bigger and deafer.

You tell me what it looked like.

Who took over.

Remember run DMC and you of age to know, so you saw they all kind of to me came from the same tree.

But then how the lell and depth keep growing and lel just kept getting bigger and bigger.

Remember so LL came out with Radio in eighty four, right, and then eighty seven, here's bigger and deaferent like then he takes off.

He's a double Platum superstar.

He's the He pretty much took what run DMC was rocking all the way to that point.

What And don't get me wrong, run DMC put out more records after that, took el took it, got cracking, yeah, cracking yeah, and got cracking.

So I think running, I think walked this white could have had a funny effect on their career.

Not their age, No, because Brundon l end up going to crack what happened with ll co J, BUTL thing he.

Was also young too, that was one of the things.

He was a young dude.

I think that's how we kind of make sense of it.

But I don't really think he got nothing to do with that because LL end up just being the nigga the whole time for the rest for.

The next down there.

But the niggas came the way he can't the way he came out, I ain't to say though, but he came off gagster at first, like.

I'm gonna do what I do he was.

The lady came out by radio still came and it wasn't.

Quite what that other ship was.

Look not selling out in hip hop, especially when people think of you as the streets and Rundy and See got thought of as the streets like it could have a funny effect.

And I think so that's the trick, right even with the business is like do you want to go the way the business is going?

Do I really want to go put this Korean singer on this song?

Maybe I could call Teddy Riley and tell Teddy Riley make me something.

Didn't put a Korean singer.

But if that person singing Korean gott to execute it.

Imagine if some niggas, some Chriss playing that like you know what I'm saying, Like, but be funny if.

You put the Korean on that, though, are you really going for criss to listen to it?

Are you just going for the main no facts?

I think you can have a smash hit record, but you also could be kind of condemning your Yeah, they go.

Clown you and stuff for shure.

No, but I'm saying you could be kicking the foundation.

From the front of your brain.

What I'm saying you could be kicking the founder.

There's no question.

So okay, Pete, what do you do independently if you're not trying to go to the sway?

What about the idea I'm saying is like, like if we would have went to Israel and we had Hebrew strippers, and like if you saw that visually, like we rolling around Jerusalem in a low rider, and then we got Hebrew strippers at the house shaking and shit, you just throwing throwing.

What's what they call the money Israel cars or something.

You might have something if you go through those countries and then do features with the people from those countries shekels.

You're just throwing shekels on the Hebrew strippers.

It would probably be Trump just crazy.

You should go to other countries in that country, but you should be over there, but not features Like features is cool, but like fish out of water stories, let's just say, but you'll be right over there though.

You just gotta get up.

He's living that hip hop world over Therecause what is that like?

You know what I'm saying, that's a story in this being their hip hop draking.

Now you're taking their culture and kind of like you.

Don't take their culture, you just live it a culture.

You bring this culture there, Okay.

Right if you in the UK and you got a low rider, you got Dicky jacketson Chucks and ship you posted up, you got a blue band Danna, you had all the little tea spots zipping tea in their hip hop hip hop you want a thing and you rapping and you getting off of you right there on that crosswalk where the Beatles was that cuzin you just kicking.

You just look like a fish out of water.

I think, okay, we have to can see a couple of things about It's like.

Burdoor dude that goes around the country doing what you do.

No but imagine that.

But if hip hop is very much the culture artistically expressed, the last thing left I think people, Okay, the reason I brought up where you're growing with it.

Poverty created the culture right right, the pride, the fucked up English, but still the ability to communicate create a slang right, not being able to finance a brand new car.

You fixed the old car that created that low rider.

The way we eat is bad fucked up food, you know what I mean.

All of it is based off of being okay with circumstances, not pursuing, you know, the American standard, but actually making what you have work.

Right.

So, if hip hop is very much the culture, the one thing you can abandon is culture.

Right, But if you saw everything already, if you showed America everything, like let's say, when it comes to West Coast or Los Angeles street, are in culture southern California or West Coast because it's the same in Washington and in Portland, in San Diego and Arizona.

Right, we're not.

We're not just bragging like you guys are.

Well you are because you gots just right.

But you just got you got the two cocky down here.

We don't have that, you know.

I mean, that's also probably why you're not as popular.

Yeah, because it's a it's a level of brashness to be poor.

Yeah, you have to be.

You're right, don't have to say that.

I have to say you're right.

That might be it too, got to be a certain poorness will give you that cond Eric.

Yeah, you know, broo, that's culture.

That's the key.

That's I think that's the key to be.

This confident in your circumstance.

Yeah, I think that's yeah, you're right right.

So, but if we showed everything on the West right, because Tacoma, Los Angeles, Phoenix, sag shit, Yeah, like crips and bloods.

Nigga's been around in all of these places forty years now.

Yeah, so I'm a little longer, so I'm a little short, but forty plus years, nigga.

What can I show a nigga in Ohio about cripping when there's cripts there.

He's twenty one years old.

He grew up with cryps his whole life.

He don't get two fucks.

Christ has started in Los Angeles and went through Phoenix and then to Denver and Tacoma and all.

He don't fucking care.

He up with crips's whole life.

Nigga, What makes your la cripping different than the niggas from cleaning?

That's cripping nothing.

It's been his whole life.

So if I show him cripping, you can walk outside his front door and see that.

Not in nineteen ninety two, when snooping came out.

You couldn't see that outside every door in the Miracle.

That wasn't outside of every door.

In Memphis, there wasn't crips quite yet.

There wasn't crips in Houston like that outside the front door.

But the funny thing was, I remember that time, purr, because I knew up in Washington that was everybody's goal to come down to LA.

And connect with and connect with each other.

Well you know, couse it was sixties and want to connect, you go to their hood, they says.

Tried to get me to come down here, And I used to look at them niggas like I'll be the one killed as an innocent bystander because I don't know how because.

You're trying to connect.

Like the thing about these organizations that you connect, And what I'm saying is what can I show a nigga in Pitsburgh.

They didn't have Christs and Pittsburgh now since nineteen ninety.

So I understand what you're saying now, Like you're right, they came down here to look at what was LA.

Like no hip hop showed them.

So it was only in a handful of places outside of Los Angeles, outside of the West.

Now it's in every fucking city.

They don't need you to show them crippt They can go to motherfucking YouTube and see Chriss everywhere.

If Dad Chris outside the house, it is Christ right there.

You niggas showed us chrippin in Washington.

But that's not the point.

You niggas came up there.

But I'm saying that.

But they're flour colors and shit.

But I'm saying that's not the point.

What I'm saying to you is the only thing to do with the culture.

Now.

Yeah, no, I understand what you're saying.

Fashion crippin ain't crippin, ain't violence.

I think you're you're juxtaposing the symptom for the disease in that regard.

I think in the nineties those guys took the exported cool.

Yeah, happened to be crips, right, Whatever they were was gonna be.

What what was cool?

They exported cool.

I'm not disagreed, but I'm saying we still say the same thing.

We're not even just opposing it, like right, it's just the same thing.

But I'm saying the only thing left.

It's cripping.

Somewhere where there's no crips, But.

Isn't there like so called crip gangs across this whole world and stuff in different place They like, well, we know not here, but their version of.

You know, ain't no crips in Jerusalem?

And then how tough would that be if I connected with Jerusalem crips?

I could see it so like I'm only thinking fish out of water.

If you if you're a trap rapper, you got to take your brick over there to motherfucking Greece to open up and trapping grease your brick over you don't move it around and ship a trap rap if you're going to have to take the culture to unfamiliar places and then show everybody something that they haven't sought.

You know why he could say that so easily because he does no drugs.

He does have to worry about taking no drugs over there with him.

Whatsoever takes some pay.

Hey, I'm thinking to myself, like, damn, I can't put the need to get some They killing motherfuckers for that ship.

Well that's the ship.

That's the ship where you you got a wee spot in a place that you ain't supposed to have no fucking weed.

That is the ship.

We would have we would have got us fucked up in nineteen eighty eight.

That would put you in prison.

Guess what.

That's how it is in these places now, if you got pairs of weed, you're going matter of fact, George Young, right, the dude they made the movie Blow About, went to prison the first time for weed.

Now you can get caught with toms and weed.

They just like whatever, it's not cool.

No more.

Like the outlaw part of it is cool.

There ain't no fucking outlaw here.

Everybody got crips.

Every town, Salt Lake City shut out to the og and homies.

It's crips.

Shout out to the homies from Donna.

I mean, shout out tomies from Donna.

It's crips.

Everywhere.

It's cripson.

Portland doesn't have cris but that's like what state doesn't.

You can't try to make something that people have already seen before new again.

It's already old, so.

So you don't make it new, but you put it in places where it's never been.

It's not.

It doesn't need to physically be there.

It wasn't physically there in the suburbs they consumed, but.

That's not the point like, that's what would make it appealing visually.

Okay, prime example, Pete, imagine you and Beverly Hills and then it's a crip gang.

They naked ship down, they do it, all kinds of unsavory outlaw activities to come up.

That ship would be on the fucking news.

Who the fuck out of Beverly Hills?

Creep?

Do you know how talked about that?

That crypt gang would be.

Yeah, Hely Hills translating into consumption.

You, nothing is gonna translate in consumption, That's what translatingto because consumption is there is no more consumption.

Like right now, I saw a song a buddy of mines made a song called he made a song about Downy, Welcome to the d.

I'm a player for you.

Hold on, let me play for you.

So where the where the other crips that grew up in poverty, respect those crips that grew up in Beverly Hills.

No, but that's the point.

Part of the reason six' nine snitch nine got so.

Big it is because niggas saw him and was like that nigga ain't no, blood but he had real bloods behind.

You mm.

Hmm he was such a contrast to the normal look of a.

Blood the thing visually is you need a, Contrast you need something that makes it special and unique because you can't be nothing else but the.

Culture that's.

It the culture is the.

Culture listen to this Song the Only jins did.

This Sign, California welcome to The, California, California california St.

It was still just.

That song twenty five years, old and everybody.

The point is.

Right it's because it's about fucking downy you.

Know it's not because it sounds like it's twenty five years.

Old huh why downy?

Throw that sounds like a like A b side down there a nice place or something.

From a compilation out of nineteen ninety.

Eight it's like, saying so, ritos that's.

Why like people don't know that that place hash like this thugging like they wouldn't get.

It you wouldn't.

Guess so What i'm, saying because What i'm Telling pete is, this you can't abandon culture and hip.

Hop it doesn't.

Exist but but hip hop is always about the next new.

Thing there is no next new.

Thing that's the.

Problem gotta be something so but but it's a problem is, like, well you're just.

Dead now they have you buy your new.

Shoe you're, Dead so now you have to think past the, Problem.

Pete it's about.

Creativity it's not about.

There's no more creativity because poverty every day is dying across the.

COUNTRY i was not it is they're making people, Broke.

Pete niggas don't even know how to dress fashionably without.

Money the brokens, People pete are going to get.

Designer remember back in the, Day, pete you old enough to, remember niggas had.

On t shirts of bowls and rebot classics In New.

Orleans, yeah that's because the second album.

Was the end of that.

Singing around the albums.

No Big, timers four hundred degrees bg they still did.

That they was rich niggas that dressed the way everybody poor could.

Jets and then young money got rid of.

That, yes young money got rid of.

It but then Young money also became the pop of the birth of the pop version of rap.

Okay so then it wasn't With drake And, nikki it wasn't about culture any.

Longer it was about the fact that this person could pass in every walk of.

Life, well it's like Saying gucci, mane isn't it about culture because he's about designer.

Shit he wasn't at.

First his name Is gucci, man nobody cared about that when they thought About.

Gucci the most he had that was A gucci.

Belt he had A t shirt on and some jeans if she had A t shirt on at.

All so you get What i'm.

Saying it's like he is, Right like the problem is all the tricks are exposed and it's hard to develop.

Poverty like, again poverty is a fleeing thing In america right.

Now they break everything up and niggas be.

Broke that's at.

Best so you think that's what's kind of with the the blog computer.

Age did it took the poverty that's a way out of hip?

HOP i don't.

KNOW i don't think it.

Was just that's part of it because it kind of that's fair forgive.

Me it kind of gentrified the, culture, okay, yeah right to where everybody starts talking the, same everybody uses the term, ops everybody uses all these, drills everybody uses the exact terminology, culturally, right so then now it gentrifies.

It it's not, special it's not unique to a region of.

Land, no longer than a fucking month or.

Two BUT i remember only like rich people had.

Computers the, kids you, know poor kids didn't even have computers and things like.

That oh, now well we're not talking about, Now i'm talking about in the beginning of how all this.

Started, yeah we just seeing the project of that.

Switch, yeah do you feel culturally that thirty years, ago people just bluntly, speaking like like, younger inner city poor people were more willing to take a chance out and possibly be like that shit was.

Stupid and now there's an obsession with fitting.

In, YEAH i agree with.

That that could be part of The that could be part of The.

Internet in my age, group we tried to stick out instead of fitting.

IN i think the concept of like A dj screw would be hard to imagine, today like like like you'd get made fun of for two days for just playing your shit on slow motion and that'd be the end of.

It and like little insular cultures from one city to another have a harder time because they don't live in A like you, say The internet means there's no more, vacuums so you can't get robustly popular locally as easily.

Anymore to the point where you had critical mass by the time you left.

Town now everything is a, homogenized large scale you know what do you call?

It?

Incubator so unless everyone thinks it's amazing from coast to coast north southeast, west.

Then it makes, it which then makes it.

Mainstream, yeah which means it's not hip.

Hop so to, me the only thing That i'm guessing that you can entertain with because we are in a branding, area right and you see everything before you hear.

It, yeah there's only a handful of stories.

Left one of them is a fish out of water store and.

The other one's.

CAREER i can't help but think you have to take your show on the.

ROAD i agree with see this is the road no more pete Like america ain't the.

Road.

NO i agree with you got to take it on the road somewhere.

ELSE i agree with that there's.

An interesting kind of relationship with just to just to use it as a fillilar example you're talking about like kpop for, example they're Like orlando boy bands re entering the marketplace.

Here but it's only cool because It's.

Korean, sure it's like It's korean people SINGING r and b mm.

Hmm like that ship look crazy and then The korean people dancing it cool though it's only cool because really you're a racist piece of.

Ship like it's like If niggas was doing, that it wouldn't be.

Cool it would be something you.

Use but now that's like it was a like like a little people's boy.

Band, mhm that would probably be.

Big, yeah like that that was.

Like rock and, roll and then it gets real popular In london and then all These london bands come back to The United states and do quintuple, Platinum like.

That's how about The.

Beatles The beatles ain't even that fucking good to be what they.

DO i agree with you can't funk.

With queen is way better than the Fucking, Beatles Like beatles is more, mental And i'm, like, bro the music gotta sound.

GOOD i don't give a fuck if you experiment with, bullshit it gotta sound.

Good queen sounds fucking.

Great yeah, so but But i'm.

Singing But, pete you said you.

Disagree with.

With queens sounding better than The.

Beatles, queen do you think The beatles sound better Than?

Queen?

Yeah h which singer sounds better than?

Him the lead?

Singer, oh it's not a better.

Singer one of them is incredibly.

Dynamic there's a lot more sound happening symphonically With.

Queen there's The, beatles but The beatles music is better.

Written that shit.

SUCKS i Think beatles is, more like you, say more more.

Skeletons.

Queen queen is more fuller and.

Stuff but MORE i like Later beatles more than like the Early beatles Early.

Beats but you just said it, Though pete right, there like The english rock Band, Invasion, Yeah british rock Band.

Invasion it was, like, okay we can do, too and then we were.

All america was all.

Fascinated here's the.

Thing they look like us right.

Here here's where something similar to like what's happening with like the chips market with THE us And china and that trade war barrier they're trying to like navigate around with.

That there's an advantage to THE us Allowing china to steal shit or whatever the fuck they're gonna do so that they can be rampant in their marketplace in opposed to blockading it.

Off and then they do their own thing and now you can't get into their marketplace on the short, side and stamps it's better not to have your ship.

Stolen on the long, term maybe not so.

Much and that's hip hop did a great job of establishing barriers of entry on the production, side not the listener, side but the product the creator.

Side so it's it would be challenging in THE us market for a national invasion to come in through hip hop because it's become so identity.

Barrier one of the few Things america got.

Right, yeah but did?

It And i'm racist and, Prejudices, WELL i, mean it's not about.

Race it was just he's, right like everybody.

Else just let everybody else in and this, thing you, know like while it did, grow but it just became everybody could have their own, market nip, hop just.

Everybody this was a motherfucking Big asian.

Rappers my, POINT i am a big after the invasion, Happened.

Roig English british.

Rapper you talk about from another, Country Now queen is From queen is a rock, Band beatles is a rock.

Band they're From.

England well think about.

This Just.

Wam wham is From.

England, Yeah Rolling, stones Led, zeppelin tell.

Them but but what happened with?

That The british invasion rock made rock and roll more popular in THE, us AND us rock bands sold more because of.

It that HELPED us rock.

Bands so he's saying the biggest artists are not From, america.

And for that time In space And, them.

You're saying it's a regular.

Thing the biggest artists are not From.

America we talk about The beatles like they're the best thing in, rock like even p saying that them, motherfuckers.

Well Like elvis put up, numbers they came in to put up bigger.

Numbers and now guess what it ain't a nigga in the space where a deal FROM r AND B.

England, okay guess what, now the ain't no BLACK r AND b singers getting no.

Budgets that's, Crazy, Adale Sam, smith.

That's the NEW r AND.

B this What i'm, Trying that's What i'm.

Saying, okay after you let white people in pete from, more we see nigga's for sure gonna get put.

Out he's gonna be, like wait a, minute because you, know like.

The biggest artist sound a LITTLE i tell you here it.

Comes it's gonna.

Something about the white Prophesized england.

Prophesized, no they got a lot of soul compared to the average white person In.

America like fat, people.

They're Not they're not stigmatized for.

Copying you think it's all.

Stigmas there's not a social stigma In.

England THE w word doesn't exist In.

England put it that, way oh, white mm, hmm that's.

Fair what about hal Of?

Notes hal The notes past.

Novelty he was.

Fired they're the eminem of their era.

Novels i'm might have to agree with you though.

You stopped.

It that aw.

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