Watch up and welcome back to another episode of No Sealers Podcast with your hosts Now fuck that with your load glasses Malone, big dog.

What's the deal shoo man?

Just trying to survive at this point.

How's everything going with the new purchase.

So far?

So that we had a little bit of the leg that's so cold, and I'll get to replace the heater anyway, but stuff was closed for the holidays and stuff, so we got pushed back a few days.

So I was still in a hotel and it's like thirty five degrees in raining, so I just you know, we couldn't have the guys freezing to death working.

Plus it was gonna suck up the paint.

Mm.

But you found the place that you liked that you already committed to.

Man, that worked out so well that deal once I kicked out that sucker ass bitch.

Oh so you did the deal anyway for the place?

No different place, better set up?

Better deal?

Three more three four closed duplexes six units each two bedroom, one bath instead of one bedroom, one bath, one ninety nine for all three.

So wait a minute, how many?

So is so it's three duplexes six two bedroom parks on one property and it's two units per due plex three.

Two of them are joint ones.

Two of them are next with each other, so it looks like one thing.

One of them was like two blocks away, but they were all four closed, same bank.

Got it done one nine.

So it's six units total.

Six units total.

Oh, that school is ill.

So you're just gonna live in one and then red the other ones?

Yeah, well until I can rent.

Mind, then I'm out of here.

Oh so you did go?

Okay, you can't cough into the mic, king, I keep telling.

You that's a big cough button, right button.

Oh we started off and all in the mic here like this.

You did.

Now we're good people complaining about it this ship.

I'm like, he can't eat.

Hey, Pete, A pause, Pete on that one.

That's silent.

Feel you just did.

You didn't hear the cough because I hit the button.

I know, but that was me.

They decided.

Look it was bad.

Hey, the audience will never know.

Yeah, that's the problem.

It's definitely not the problem.

Now that's cool, Pete.

Congratulations, my boy.

I'm really happy for you and excited.

I appreciate it.

Hopefully it works out well, it'll make up for the oil investment in Oklahoma.

The tank that I notified about that that's a that's a zeroed out.

That's the biggest loss of my entire fucking life.

I can't even believe that shit.

I'm still like I can't sleep at night because of that ship.

Were you at that age now to where you're probably gonna actually do it?

Takes people that you say, usually forties and fifties.

I don't know, We'll see.

I got a lot of muscle memory for failure.

But you miss every shot you don't take, so I.

Miss him all shoot pass no matter where'd.

You get your place at.

Play in Memphis.

I'm a Hollywood boy baby on Hollywood all the time.

If I'm not hollow California, I'm hollow with Florida.

I'm not hollow in Florida.

I'm Hollywood Memphis.

I didn't know Memphis had of Hollywood.

That's crazy.

We do now.

I wasn't really Hollywood.

It's really Hollywood.

That's cool, though it is dope.

So I guess what I've been what's been on my mind is I wanted to talk to you about that thing I saw with the man that was explaining there were only two states where everyone, every county in that state in the last election either voted completely red or completely blue.

So every county in the state of Oklahoma voted for Trump, every county in the state of Massachusetts voted for Kamala And next to those actual colors on the charts, right, they actually showed the ranking in all fifty states as far as education goes, as far as quality of life goals, as far as test scores goes, and as far as like medical like what do you call it care?

Like health care?

Yeah, healthcare.

Yeah.

So Massachusetts, right, which voted every county voted majority for Kamala.

Right, it was number one in education, it was number one in test scores, was number two in healthcare, and number one in quality of life.

And you know, you're really loud, right, Emma.

It sounds fine to me.

I don't know, I don't know.

Just gotta turn down the speaker, King.

So the state of the state of now, the state of Oklahoma, which every county for which every county voted for Donald Trump, was fifty in education, forty nine in healthcare, forty five I think in quality of life, and forty nine and forty nine, and uh, what was it test course, and I guess that was his way, the guy that was doing the content.

It was his way of saying, possibly imagine what he meant.

But I think by putting those things, because even I think one of the ideas quality of life was revolving around the same three things that he put.

You know that he that he livet the test scores, age metric, right, So my mind immediately says, well, how much are the properties in each of these places, Like what's the actual average price to buy home?

In Massachusetts that voted majority for Kamala, every county voted for Kamala, it averaged seven hundred and forty something thousand dollars a home.

Oklahoma, where every county voted majority for Donald Trump was two hundred and nineteen thousand.

I compared the minimum wage, the minimum to Massachusetts again where the every county voted for Kamala, the minimum wage was fifteen dollars.

In Oklahoma the minimum wage, where you know, every county voted for Donald Trump majority was seven dollars and fifty cents.

And it hit me the American dream is Republican.

That wouldn't argue with that.

That's why I'm Republican.

Huh, So I wouldn't argue with that's why I'm Republican.

Sure, sure, I mean, you know me and I'm not neither.

But I was thinking about it, right, and I was like, and I looked up what the American dream was, and this was the American dream is the belief that anyone can achieve success in a better life hard work and determination, anyone.

And what I looked at it, right, And when I looked at it, that's not true in Massachusetts.

Massachusetts has slowly become England.

The reason those people left England.

They turned New England into England.

Maybe it's a different group of people that's at the top of the totem pole, but it would be virtually impossible for most citizens to change their stars in Massachusetts.

If you truly believe most American citizens right who are well off and they get wealthy, I think it was a certain number.

A huge chunk of the percentage was through real estate.

The ability buying onw a home allowed to appreciate, gain equity and buy another property.

That's how it's like most Americans.

It's the it's the biggest thing that most people can borrow.

It's it's it's the largest secured loan human being can get.

Interest rates are designed to be less than business growth but greater than inflationary growth.

So if you can borrow, the more you can borrow as you pay it off and sit on it, the appreciation of value over time goes up, and that lever is elongated by the amount of money you're able to borrow at the lower rate because it's cured.

It's the one thing you can't take a lead.

I mean, even if you bought a car.

A car doesn't have the same type of appraisal situation per se as a house.

Even though, don't get me wrong, a car he's a going to hide a thousand of the things.

But but you couldn't make forty thousand dollars a year and get approved to borrow ninety percent of the value of a two hundred thousand dollars car.

It's not gonna happen, sure.

Off for thirty years.

But but it's part of it because of the value.

Well I guess, I guess it is a little.

Of security because of the depreciat the depreciation versus appreciation, sure, yeah.

But also the security of a house.

It's pretty hard to hide a house, you know, what I mean, you could just come get it.

Yeah, and and and and If in five years you can't pay off the car and the bank takes it, they're taking a huge loss.

If in five years to keep off the house and the bank takes it, they're probably making money.

Sure.

So the reason I say that the American Dream had to be Republican in this specific instance, if a majority of the population changes their stars, right, that the pursuit of what we just explained in the American dream through real estate, it would be harder for the average American citizen in Massachusetts to own a piece of property.

Sure, something as simple as that, Right, Like, if the average home cost was seven hundred and forty something thousand dollars, I think they had somewhere between six sixty and seven twenty seven forty if I remember correctly.

But let's say that mortgage on that piece of property is forty nine hundred, five thousand dollars.

How many people in the state of Massachusetts can afford a five thousand dollars mortgage dollars an hour?

Probably a fair amount, I mean, a decent not And that's again based off the American dream.

Right, American dream is the belief that anyone can achieve success.

Anyone can achieve success and a better life through hardwork and determination.

Anyone in Massachusetts cannot success a better life through hard work and determination in a state like Massachusetts, right, because you're going to need that every not anyone, but most people are going to need a jump start versus in Oklahoma, the majority.

You know, again, where the education is lower, where the quality of life is lower, the test scores are lower, where healthcare is lower.

If the average person, if you can have a mortgage that's around eight hundred dollars, right because a property is somewhere between one hundred and one hundred and fifty thousand dollars.

Right, you can have an eight nine hundred dollars mortgage.

That's something that anyone can achieve with hard work and determination.

True, you get what I'm saying.

Anyone, not somebody went to college and got this fantastic career where they're making six figures.

Two people and they're together and they married, and they can go buy a five or six thousand dollars.

They go pay five or six thousand dollars for the mortgage on the house.

And I guess what I was asking you is what does that really mean?

What does that really say about the politics of America?

To where again?

And I'm not you know, I feel peaked.

I feel like it's the same bird Republican, a Democrat, But it says a lot.

I think the politicians are the same, the voters are not the same.

That true.

The pursuit, like you can pursue it's not gifted in education in Oklahoma, but they I was looking at the schools there.

They have some really good schools, but you have to pursue that.

I thought about things like education, like how could a place where the education is so high, how can some of these things be so put so far behind the glass, like just something as simple as home ownership for the average citizen there.

Yeah, I mean it turns into like you see this with a lot of bluestates.

I'm looking at a list by Chief Executive magazine.

They do every year they rate the states in terms of business friendliness, going from the bottom up from fiftieth up fiftieth California, New York, Illinois, So forty seven is Massachusetts, New Jersey, Washington, Oregon, Hawaii, Connecticut, Minnesota, and then Mississippi, which would be like forty, which would be like fortieth and Mississippi is a joke of the state.

It really is.

It's still the old It's a barrier of entry economy.

And that's the point I'm getting up.

Theirs is largely through government contract acts.

As crap.

It's just deadpan economy.

But all these other states were extremely competitive.

And this list is for what exactly.

This list is for the most business friendly states in the US.

Business in the states, they are easiest to do business and regulation wise and tax wise.

So they're saying is California is the hardest state to do business in.

Yes, is the worst state.

The top states, Texas won, Florida, Tennessee, North Carolina, Georgia, Indiana, Utah, Nevada, Virginia, Arizona, et cetera, et cetera.

Oklahoma's in the middle of this list.

Massachusetts is the bottom of this list forty seventh, so practically the bottom.

So the number one easiest state to do business in is Texas.

Yes, which is why it's kind of getting It's been getting his boom over the last decade.

Yeah, I mean, you look at all these states.

Nashville is a huge, exploding metropolitan Tennessee's Number three.

Florida has multiple exploding metropolitans, as do as does Texas.

Charlotte is an exploding metropolitan.

Number four, Atlanta's exploded the last twenty years.

Number five Indiana.

Nothing for Indiana.

Salt Lake City has exploded, Las Vegas has exploded, Virginia has exploded a lot of that's federal government contract stuff.

That's a weird state because it's on the fringe of DC.

And then Arizona Phoenix exploded the last twenty years.

There's your top ten.

Oklahoma's population growth per year it's like two point four percent, Massachusetts zero point four percent.

Yeah, you can't make it.

Yeah, how the fuck peak get the fuck American gets so far away from the American dream to where the app And I guess that's not to say much, because you can always relocate.

I remember you told me that, and that was I put that in the top ten greatest advice I ever got in my life about glasses.

Sometimes you got to pick up and go.

The opportunities may not be where you anger that at that point, Yeah, And it sounded so foreign because and I guess, you know, throughout the history of black people's journey in America.

You know, you've always looked for a level of stability.

Sure, you know.

I'm just so interesting in Los Angeles because everybody's grandparents moved, so they were okay with moving, But everyone's grandkids, no, moving's not an option.

It's kind of strange.

You're right, you're right.

Something has happened over the last fifty years where that has really kind of gotten ridiculous stability.

But looking at a play like that, anybody with hard work and determination that's in the pursuit can buy a property in Oklahoma.

Yeah, majority of the population, if they wanted to put in the hard work and determination, can afford an eight hundred to eleven hundred dollars mortgage.

Yeah, you could work at Walmart and drive Uber at night and knock that out in your sleeping and like, here's another example.

Here's another example.

I pulled up as I was looking through Oklahoma stuff.

I didn't even look through this.

This popped up on my line.

Oklahoma for fuel costs, which is a big deal.

If you're in construction or you're in transportation of any kind, do you have a commute to work?

Their gas just got down to a dollar ninety nine cent a gallon?

Uh?

In Olklahoma?

What are you paying in California to commute from Victorville down to Corona five fifty depending on what you got dollars?

Yeah, easy, that's that's twelve bucks a day.

So how could twenty a week?

So how can what did I Okay, I'm not into politics again, I'm not into the whole left right, Republican Democrat?

But what the fuck did I miss to where the average white person is not paying attention to this?

Like it's okay, glasses right?

Because Glasses is completely disenfranchised.

History has done America no favorites.

In my eyes, I don't trust none of it.

But how can white people be stabbed bye, not seeing the thing that they believed in the most in this country disappear?

Well, that's where you get that giant schism among white people between you know, they really detest each other pretty badly.

It's been there in different forms and fashions over the centuries.

But the white left and the white right they don't like each other so much.

The white right sees all this.

Thing always say, I always say the white right is a white man and the white left is a white woman.

That's actually true statistically, Yeah, would suggest that you.

Think of the mannerisms of it, like white liberal it is like, you know, they cater to homosexuality, like white women.

White Republicans are like, you know, stern and original way, you know, just very masculine energy.

But I'm just lost at how the fuck could America let itself get so far away from the simple dream.

It's so to the whole fucking world.

It's kind of to me.

You get into the evolution of economies on a local scale, where an economy flourishes when it's extremely competitive.

But once that competitiveness matures to some degree, when you have the ability to compromise a government, which those states do California does obviously, then it becomes extremely non competitive because major players, when you're at the top, you're not looking to climb, you're just looking not to get knocked off.

So they're going to build a big wall around themselves and make it so that no one else can climb, whereas before there was nobody up there, so everyone was just racing to the top.

And that's what you see in a lot of these types of states.

So what you're saying is we're seeing money start to kind of make itself elite and now the average person with just innovation can't compete.

Yeah, and I think a lot of people view that and they don't perceive they perceive that as capitalism.

It's like no calling Johnny Law to come in and kill capitalism so that you can have a carve out.

You don't and you're untouchable.

That's the opposite of capitalism.

Like people say, crony crony capitalism is a phony term.

Cronyism is the word capitalism is a totally separate principle.

It's closer to socialism than capitalism, you know, cronyism, so to speak, on the spectrum there.

Why is it closer to socialism.

Because it's government intervention.

You get government dictates as to who can produce, how much they can produce, and a what price.

People say it's communism because it's still driven by some level of society that's outside of the government.

Yeah, it's still private, but it's like, you know, state of California, for example, will dict it.

There's a ton of oil in California.

It's Jesus, a very simple basic example.

They will tell you where you can and cannot drill, how much you can it cannot drill, how much taxes they're going to put on that, what type of refining you're going to be able to do for the oil that you do, drill, where you can send that oil, and at what price, all those various things.

It's no longer a competitive market.

So like California's domestic oil market is totally disenfranchised from the rest of the countries.

That's why the prices are so much different.

Everything is totally different.

You can't compete in like the you know, the West Texas crude, you know from eastern New Mexico all the way through Texas and Oklahoma, that giant you know, reservoir of oil, and even like in the Gulf and all the rest of that cannot compete in the California market because you can't bring it in effectively.

You can to some degree, but you're also having to pay enormous amounts of money to even refine it to a California standard, which is separate from all the other state's standards.

So that's that's kind of an example of market manipulation.

Something similized like catlic converter stuff, like you can drive in Nevada and get the same Catlic converter that could pass the California law, but in California they sell it for twice or three times the price.

Yeah, yeah, fucking crazy people let this shit happen.

It's totally against the government doing.

What the fuck happened to white people?

Pete, They not white no more?

They got they got.

It's not too dissimilar to what happened with the white South and the lead up to the Civil War, where you had a cluster of elites that controlled information dissemination that effectively like convinced them, Hey, guys, we know you're dirt poor and you don't know any slaves, and this isn't really gonna do much for you, guys, But those sons of bitches up north are trying to infringe upon our way of life as Southerners, and it's your job to fight them.

They take out in the same bamboozlemen.

If you think about it, people didn't think that, like the North had slaves at this point.

Not many of them were.

Most of the states was illegal.

That's a whole other story.

But again, the North had slaves, tons of slaves.

But I guess over time that information has kind of been lost.

I guess whoever leaves the battle controls a narrative after.

Yeah, and here's the thing, like with California and Massachusetts, did they have something similar that there's enormous wealth concentrations in both states, different industries, but same kind of layout.

They get, you know, an enormous amount of influence at the state level.

They're highly unionized states for public sector standpoint, which means that some of the most powerful entities in the state from a lobbying level are the teachers unions.

So you give it a generation and a half of teachers unions being bought and paid for by interests.

Now you're getting, like some of my relatives been public schools for a very long time, and curriculum change within the public school system in California is enormous.

That's true in a lot of these other states.

So you teach these kids to believe what you want to with them to believed, as it might beneficial.

But you know, you know who.

Brought the education back and long like the eighteen hundreds and stuff.

It was the Rockefellers.

Yeah, yeah, And what they did was from that point was just.

But I was saying that, I was saying that, like even having the number one education doesn't really reflect intellect.

It means this is gonna sound raggedy.

Forgive me to everybody on No Ceilings podcasts, I don't apologize much.

This is gonna sound worse than I want too, right, But so forgive me.

I'm not the grade of your education.

But education can also spell indoctrination, you know what I mean?

Like they can they can educate the fight out of you.

Like you, these things feel so normal, like you could be in Massachusetts and the fucking mortgage is five thousand dollars.

That's if the house is six hundred and fifty thous what's the what's the mortgage on the six hundred and fifty thous dolls hous fourteen hundred?

Is that?

Yeah?

Man?

Maybe maybe what's what's the thing that they just they just passed They just passed upon the home.

There's no more thirty year mortgages like that, though they don't expanded it out to being what like fifty How.

Was that pass I think that was proposed?

And that's another thing.

Anytime that the government tries to make it quote unquote easier to buy a house, that drives up the base price of houses.

When you only have to put three percent down in a quote unquote marginalized neighborhood or zip code if you meet it's whatever the hell type of you know, income, you know, local percentage thresholds.

It just means that there's that many more people competing for that house to have to only shut up with a little bit of money.

So it's you know, it's it's never from ten percent to eight.

It goes from ten to three, and it spikes up the price of the house.

And that's then people get foreclosed on because they're paying now ninety seven percent of the equity with interest carrying every month.

That's insane.

I can't like the idea that somehow that's going to help a problem.

I don't know if it's okay.

So here's why I'm going to even though I don't want to.

This country ain't getting nothing for black people to get no fucking house.

So a lot of the ideas, excuse my language, a lot of the ideas, Right, I got black people a chance to buy a home, right, like an FHA loan, like a three percent loan, right, But it's still going to inadvertently fund a bunch of people who could afford to put more percentage down for a house in them same people start to compete for the same loans.

Does that make sense?

That's what se.

Yeah, there's a tie in though where you can't make like you have to be in the sixtieth percentile of your zip code in earnings or below to be able to apply, So it keeps that down.

But what it does it sets people up for failure.

You're not going to have.

It turns into what I call the reverse mortgage retirement plan, where every dollar you make goes into this house for thirty years if you pay it offers.

The whole time, you can't put money into anything else because you're paying eight percent on ninety seven percent of the price of the goddamn thing, which is then jacked up anyway because now everybody's dumping into the market to buy it, because you introduce the local area to a bunch of new buyers.

So you have no money to do anything else for thirty fucking years to pay this out of a bish off.

Well, now it's time to stop working.

You have nothing saved, so you just have to start pulling the equity out of the house until you fucking.

Die to eat.

Happens all the time.

Yeah, how do poor black people get into a house at that point to change?

Fine numbers that work, especially thembers that work.

So you feel like the goal is really to like we talked about, just get the fuck away to where you could actually go and buy, versus creating programs where you're in a place like California where is ridiculous and now you don't have a choice drive or bring in foreign investors to buy property.

Like I don't know if you remember several years back, I brought my buddy Antoine and as a pastor onto the show up in Palmdale.

Sure, a long dreadge guy, don't do it.

Yeah, he makes really good money now.

He works in construction equipment leasing, does.

Very well for himself.

He's looking to buy a house right now.

But he is rigid.

So I mean people that work with him that might not even make a much money as him.

They're trying to buy in Burbank, or they're trying to buy here or there at seven fifty eight hundred thousand.

He's like, I'm not paying above six period, and I'm going to go to Riverside if i have to, or I'm going to go to Canyon Country if I have to or wherever the hell.

But he's tailoring his search around a big picture, you know, numerical budget that is iron clad, and he's not going to bend for it.

It helps that he's single and have a wife barking at him saying I want that house.

My motto is, I don't like buying single family homes because women buy homes.

Men just pay for them, and you're getting a very emotional buyer.

Yo.

Shit, I don't want to be competing against a wife with nothing to do except barking her husband all day long for price.

I'm not gonna win that one.

No, no way.

I could figure out how much I would like to know that I'm saying.

It just seems like if the American dream is the pursuit, like I said, that ability to change your stars, If American dream is the belief that anyone can achieve success in a better life through hard work and determination, I guess you're right, Pet.

It does come to a place to where, like you explained to me, your family uprooted from where they were and went to where they could actually do some of the things that they wanted to do.

Like my my grandfather, they you know, he has recently died.

He died with an awful lot of money.

They started in ray Jail, Calabria and some small town I don't even know what the fuck is called and sister.

They came in.

They went to New York for about a year.

They went to Cleveland for about five or six years, they went to Huntington Park.

From Huntington Park, they went to Downey.

From Downey went to Newport and Palace Verities.

Then they died.

They moved a rather fucking lot.

I mean, look at me.

I know realistically, I look at my money.

I look at my taxi turk.

I go what tax bracket at by end?

Percentage wise?

Okay, I'm at the bottom of the fucking barrel.

I want to buy something.

I need to make somebody out of this body.

Where should I go?

Hollywood and Chelsea.

You can't find cheaper shit than there.

I had to.

I had to match what I was looking for against what I had to purchase with.

So it's so for seven hundred thousand dollars, house is forty three hundred and SI No, no, it's not.

That's what twenty percent?

Now?

Yeah, ship, then drop that payment down in three percent seven looks like you again.

Three percent on seven hundred right maybe and maybe you get over there over there, you might get you right jack?

So what's the fah and three percent?

Three?

Is it?

So it's fifty six seventy six for seven hundred thousand dollars house with three percent down?

Yeah, little uh.

Fuck could afford.

So that's forty one hundred and seventy two dollars in principal and interest.

Yes, you got.

Property tax that's inflated on because of proper numbers.

Mm hm.

And you got insurance.

The insurance is one hundred and ninety two dollars a month, and the more its insurance because it's a FHA, is five hundred and eighty three dollars.

Yeah, everybody, that's seven that's five cherd.

That's fifty seven hundred dollars a month for all.

That's crazy.

Yeah, make fifty seven hundred dollars work through hard work and determination.

Do you know how median income nows media and income now is like seventy two?

So taxes hard working determination?

Yeah, yeah, that's crazy.

So why you don't catch me over there?

That's crazy?

So why you don't catch me over there?

That's why I left that's as fuck.

I told you, it's fucking two years.

That's why I left.

Man.

I guess that now is I guess the truth now is the American dream is like the belief that anyone can achieve success in a better life through moving or relocating.

Horror, That's always been the case because because because mature, because mature markets are always going to be overpriced always.

I mean, like, look at that old movie that, like when Tom Cruise was Irish.

It he came to like New York and he's bearing up of boxing and then he runs off into a field at the end of the movie with a stick and claims some plot of land he finally got a house because nobody fucking wanted to be out there.

Because you're in the middle of a field in South Dakota, nobody wants to fucking there.

They're like, well, give it, just get anybody out there so the Indians don't come back or some ship.

Yeah, what do you think king about that?

Does it make sense?

Do you get what I'm saying?

Because I know this is a really I mean, it's not like it's but it's a really deep conversation about where the America that black people live in where it's at.

Okay, how would you assay.

There was one hundred years ago?

Huh?

How would you assess affordability?

And see how from when you were like a kid, early teenager to now, oh, how much.

Could you buy house for kenny when you was eighteen?

I can't remember that.

Far back, but I will tell you this about it happened when the tech when the tech boom happened.

Sure, you know, the prices started going crazy when the tech boom happened in Bellevue and up there in Seattle.

You know what Gates and all them people, Amazon and all them people was up there because at one time the.

Business loss was friendly.

You know.

That's why you see a lot.

Of businesses leaving Washington now because once they got them in there and they started making all them beings of dollars, you know, Starbucks and all them places, Washington then.

Came at them hard, you know.

So that's where they started selling the movie and stuff.

But as far as the cost of living up there, it has risen.

But also we're kind of like a liberal state.

So also we got one of the highest you know salary you know, minimum wage is like fifteen to twenty dollars now.

Sure, so you can find houses outside of the major cities in Washington that you could live really good and cheaper houses.

But as you go closer to the cities and stuff, the house will start doubling and tripling.

But you still got outskirts beyond the suburban area where you can still find nice houses cheap.

Closer in than Spokane.

Uh well, Spokane has always been cheaper than the western side, sure of Washington.

But yes, you'll find some real cheap house.

But you mean, like you mean like an hour and a half outside of the space.

Yeah, by an hour and a half outside of Seattle, gotcha.

You don't have to go two three hours outside of Seattle to find nice houses.

But it's growing out so slowly, just like here in Palmdale a two years ago probably and problem deal seems a lot cheaper.

Now I'm starting to see it rise up and more people starting to move out this way, you see, we're moving also comes higher things when people start moving somewhere.

When you was talking about Oklahoma earlier, there was a program I tried to do, call the telsa remote program where they give you like ten thousand dollars to relocate and do work from home there in Telsa.

Oh I've seen some state.

Yeah, someplace in Kansas was offering people.

If you do remote homework, if you work from home, they want you to move to Telsa and work from there and they'll give you ten thousand dollars grand So I do when you guys up Oklahoma.

Yes, yeah, especially Salon is making a show.

They still got that going on today.

But when you say that, when you say moving and the cost, and you go back to Republicans and Democrats and stuff, because I look at Massachusetts as a retirement state.

I don't really look at Massachusetts as an industrial state.

I look at rich old people going up there and retiring.

Yeah, it's a major research hub.

I mean, you got Mit, you got Harvard there, all upper class stuff, all rich people, big time, big time.

You know what I'm saying.

So when you say that, then you compare it to Oklahoma City and say, as Republicans, you know, and you say, you know, is that the American dream?

I don't think we have an American dream no more.

Because from my age group on, it was always about easy work.

Sure, how to make your life easier.

Don't work as hard as your parents did.

So your parents made your life so easy that you didn't have to work as hard as they did.

So somewhere along the line, that perceived of the American dream then changed.

It's not about working hard again but again okay, Yeah, I.

Always want to pass off a better life to your kids.

Did you make it easier them?

Yeah?

The average human being would like to have everything without working hard.

I think I'm the only person who wants to actually work hard.

I'll come to that conclusion too, although I want to work hard, hold on, I'll think cotton well, because there is then how did you deny that?

Right?

American dream is the belief that anyone can achieve success and a better life hard working determination.

Now the hard hard is his definition of hard work?

Like, yeah, the hard work is the part that I think is not there everything.

Like sixty hours a week at a desk versus a coal mine.

Yeah, it's different type.

Of hard work.

Yes, you can actually afford a house in Oklahoma with sixty hours a week at the fucking publicle in Oklahoma, but the customer but the minimum wage of Oklahoma too is a lot cheaper though.

But that's what I'm saying.

Even at a minimum wage, right, like, that's about what two thousand a month.

You moved to Oklahoma and you married a woman, and you're y'all made fifteen dollars an hour together, which hard work and you're probably not gonna be working for memory.

You're rich, little bit.

Huhred dollars an hour.

You're rich in Oklahoma.

I don't do it life like this.

What's their minimum?

Like?

Eight?

Seven dollars?

Like eight dollars?

Just listen to what I just said.

If you find a woman and you marry her, and you guys go for the simplest job possible, seven dollars and fifty, y'all bring on fifty.

Yeah, they're rich.

I was an hour together, even though you're not rich, that's shit, hard work and determination.

No, you're not rich, but I'm saying eighty hours, right, eighty hours.

It's twelve hundred dollars a week.

I mean to every two weeks between your couple, between you and the woman.

That you you're doing about thirty k right, that's right.

You can buy a house, you can buy property, like let me let me show you facts.

Look at this.

Yeah, all right, I'm looking up relative dot com.

Let's go to Tosa the home.

Right, let me filter, it's just the first home that pop It's a beautiful three bedroom, two bath, two thousand square foot home, half an acre for one hundred and seventy thousand dollars.

Half the first property that popped up.

Nice, huge, Right, what's to say the estimated monthly is looking at the loan program.

Right, let's look at the loan program.

When we have three percent, this is something that's higher because you can find cheaper.

Right, You're mortgage is fifteen hundred dollars a month.

That's thousand dollars in principal and interest.

That's one hundred and ninety two dollars in property tax a month at home insurance of two hundred and four dollars.

That's mortgage shorts of one hundred and forty six dollars.

That's three percent down fifteen hundred dollars a month.

You get what I'm saying.

The average person can pursue success, wealth through hard working determination.

Part of the misnomer.

Oh, you mean the average family could do that because it's gonna take that's what a marriage, that's what.

But that's that's not average.

Minimum wage is not average.

That's what I'm playing below average.

So I'm saying two people.

King of two, bottom of the barrel, under achievers, two chronic long term.

He's right.

Listen what I'm saying, king, two people, you can go and get the first job you see at minimum way, the first job full time and house and lived and lived American dream.

But that's what I'm trying to tell you.

How the fuck did all of these other states get so loose?

And I think it's to what Piz said, market maturation.

Nobody wants that, Huh, I said, nobody wants to live in Oklahoma?

Would you rather live that's in a house in Oklahoma on a half acre lot or a studio park by by by MacArthur Park.

When I was young, I would to MacArthur Park.

But now that I'm older, I'm taking, you know, Oklahoma, give me that half acre, Yeah, give me a half acre.

I'll agree with you on both of them too.

I was when I was young, Yeah, but now I'm going to Oklahoma all the way, you and me both on both sides of that.

So I understand you know, like you say to me when you say maturation, I'm just saying, you know, it was the people going to certain areas that call that maturation that gives this place where people are leaving that value that you say they can now have American dream because everything over down.

Here's who bedroom, one bath house in Tosa, Oklahoma, a thousand square foot on a seven thousand square foot lot.

Right if you put the three percent down, your monthly payment is for your mortgage is four hundred and four dollars.

How much how much money is three percent down on that?

What's three percent down on that is?

What's that?

What they have to come ten and eighty five dollars?

That's three percent?

Yes, damn, that's its property right now, I'm looking at it.

Fifty thousand dollars.

You can live in and move in it right down?

Okay, fifty this is a section eight rental portfolio peak.

I'm going there now right now.

I wish I had good credit.

That's crazy.

You don't but that.

But that's what I'm saying, Like, and I think, and I'm don't get me wrong, there's a level of fear that people don't get this conversation right because it's like, sure, you can just work hard and be determined and change your stars.

Possibly in Oklahoma, oh Facts in a state that supposedly voted for the worst person in the world, every county that has the worst education based off what they say on out of fifty the worst quality of life, Like, but you can down there and own a piece of the American dream for four hundred and fourteen dollars a month.

See, and somebody else said that they was like, gee, man a trap.

I think Trap was saying that.

He was like glasses, man, ma, who want to live in those places?

It wasn't trapped.

If somebody else was saying that, who want to live in those places?

I'm like, bro, you're a fucking adult.

Fuck you, what the fuck you want to live by the club were doing?

Like right, hey tell her?

Wanting to be with no fun?

But like, man, once you pass twenty seven, yeah, you were supposed to start looking onward, Like okay, what am I doing?

Let alone?

Whoever that person was, I think they was like forty it was done.

Don't be done there.

I'm like, don what the fuck are you talking about?

Damn, what's going on?

You're talking to me like they don't have twenty two year old stuff?

He's there to do?

Huh?

Hey tells us, I've been to tell a few.

It's nice.

It's nice.

I've passed through.

I've only been through Oklahoma City a little bit.

But I mean, like you go to those parts that you go to those states, mans, these girls look all right.

The only the biggest difference is there's a couple of spots in the country where it's like whoa.

But unless you like walking around with a bag of cash and the back of coke, you're not getting those bitches anyway.

You're just not.

So you're getting the normal girls around town, and the normal girls around your town, and the normal girls around their town.

Look about the fucking say, And that's true.

They are a little thicker down here, though, benefits a little thicker down there.

No, right, can't you hear what I see?

You hear what I said?

Seyga?

You stay the house, moved in it right now and your your mortgage is four hundred and fourteen domes a month.

Yes?

Why?

Yeah?

I tried to get to tell so with that remote money, and they told me I didn't qualify.

Damn.

Did you have to already have the remote job?

Yeah, that's the key thing.

You already gotta.

Havesking hard and those jobs are the first ones getting deleted.

Man, if you got well, you can move, get ten g's and move to Oklahome.

Man, I gotta find a remote job and with some niche role of the company, just keeps or as the fireman.

Like I'm the only guy who knows how to.

Turn the confusion.

Here's a three bedroom, one bad, nine hundred square foot on seven thousand square foot lot.

The mortgage on this five hundred and eighty two dollars.

But just imagine I got the rent is cheap too.

If you're leasing or wrinting it, it's cheap down there too.

Sure, sure what beautiful not like this?

You know that's why?

Oh you can get eight nine hundred dollars one thousand dollars.

See, the confusion is that rent is the same?

Oh no, it ain't.

It's more.

It's more.

You probably can.

You it has a mortgage.

M h yeah.

But the three bedroom house.

Shit, you're paying three grand down there, three average of three thousand for three bedroom rent.

There, and that's somebody who owned the property for the last thirty years.

If somebody bought it now, you ain't getting in there for no more fucking three thousand dollars.

The mortgage is more.

Yeah, that's crazy.

You don't want me to tell you how much the COMA is right now?

The bush?

Oh I got you, Hold on ahead and look it up.

Coma's talking about.

Dot com.

Is like, I'm going right to the COMA house.

You ain't gonna look at no townholds and nothing.

The house.

It's gonna be about six hundred and fifty thousand in Tacoma average.

Why we got the one man computer right here?

And I bet you he's right.

Also always wrong to you're looking house, I mean way a born loser.

This is a very odd looking house.

I think it's a house.

You know, he's a looking you get the first place about it.

It's called architecturally eccentric, right.

Looking house?

That's not It looks like somebody added a second story later.

That looked like some Southern houses down so play blow or something.

What is that?

No, this isn't Tacoma.

That's the added a second story level later.

I don't know if that's like real.

Let me find something that you will.

That's a scam already a Tacoma.

That's funny.

That was that was an AI house.

This is there's a two bedroom.

Because what's weird is they don't never have no pictures of inside the house all out it will be always like one or two pictures.

It's like, bro, what is going like?

Two outdoors?

Sh like like they drove like you can see our shop.

Give you the little Google map.

That's funny.

It's getting bad.

On.

Here's a house.

It's a two bedroom, one bath.

Oh, but I wouldn't move the right I wouldn't have there.

I wouldn't move there.

There one bath.

I'm already telling you the other.

The last one was the three three bedroom, one bad.

Tell us how much the mortgage is?

Twenty three hundred and seventy one dollars.

Oh they could kis somebody's that three hundred for that for.

Two bedroom one bad.

That's not a stand alone house of the townhouse or condo.

That's a standalone house.

Yeah, but it's something a bit how many square feets wrong.

I'm not gonna lie.

It's not the size.

It's just something about the thing.

Right.

When people don't take pictures of the inside of their house and it be one or two kicks, what's wrong?

I mean you may have there's tendants who don't really want nobody in there, and it's like like gentrification, like they don't want to leave a house that's going to walk into silly ship that's in the poor area.

This is on Pacific Avenue.

It's on Pacific Avenue.

That's really that's where the holes be walking up sometimes.

Wait, where's that again?

Just just just keep sick, I like you know, it's partant statistics.

Here's one bedroom, one bath, five hundred and ninety six square foot home on the thirteen hundred and thirty two square foot a lot.

Wait, hold on, wait, glasses.

That that's a tant in somebody's driveway.

I know, but glasses, hold on, don't just tell you something.

So far we haven't here the three bedroom or anything.

Yet.

It's always been one to work with you.

This this mortgage for this, this mortgage for this SX hundred, five hundred andninety six squirl from home six hundred and one bad you home twenty three hundred, twenty nine dollars, and that's what nine thousand dollars if.

You were living in Tacoma or Tulsa twenty dollars minimum wage pete.

So do they still you're not getting that twenty twenty hour minimum wage?

But that's the manufacturer home glasses.

You're not.

Yeah, that's a manufacturer home.

That's what that is.

Twenty three I look at that now, I tell you, so you would be at twenty hours an hour.

You're making thirty two hundred dollars a month before taxis you're not Yeah, you're not talking about two three hundred.

You're not getting that.

Oh that's a private owner.

You're getting into that manufactur home easy.

I don't know if this is a manufacturer.

I'm looking at the whole set up.

That's probably on the Old that's probably on the retirement fucking property of manufactured Homes, which is.

On so now forty third Street, living South forty third Street.

I mean the first one I see is three bedroom, two bath.

It's a town home.

It's quasi connecting to the next house.

The shares a wall.

I mean, staying away from you from three ninety nine, three bedroom, one bath three nineteen here.

Yeah, that's closer to the truth.

He how do you get the three bedrooms?

Crazy?

That?

Yeah, that's crazy.

That's how the houses used to be built.

King three bedroom, one bath for three hundred and ten thousand.

That's crazy.

Yeah, the neighborhood.

You want to know old If I got you I'll fight king.

Here's a three bedroom.

Too bad.

You're trying to get fancy.

I know this is going to be bad.

Well, I'm just going up to my house.

I grew up there.

We had two bathrooms upstairs, downstairs.

Because there's a white man.

How are you going to the crips when you got two bathrooms, bathroom and you gang banging?

What's the matter with you?

H you got bathrooms?

How about how you gang bang with two bathrooms in the house.

The GOFO was built around military basis, so we kind of you know, y'all militants.

Yeah, we had a little bits are playing war games on the street.

So we wasn't poor, poor looking, you know, we probably like the sixties.

Okay, here's here's here's It's two fifteen South sixty fourth Street and Tacoma.

It's four hundred thousand dollars for the house.

The mortgage is three thousand dollars with a three percent down payment of twelve thousand dollars.

It's three thousand and seventy six dollars.

That sounds about right around there.

That sounds about right.

You you know what I'm saying.

When I'm saying American, what's your home, Masgrege, what's yourchildhood home address?

Thirty five ninety six South Fowsett nine eight four zero eight five ninety six South Fawset.

I said, Tacoma, Washington ninety eight four zero eight Fosston spelled how faw ce T T C E T twenty an hour South Foster?

Yeah, no Foster half home.

Forty five bucks an hour is year pre text just straight up twenty five times forty times fifty two three Tell me again, twenty five bucks an hour?

Question again?

What's that?

Afrigain?

Thirty five ninety six, South Fosston.

Make me forgetting now, God damn, yeah, he gonna make me forget so many addresses that we told me I had rof the bat.

But now fuck, I'm thinking to my address I got you live this Look how much that shout at homeworks today it will for like three hundred, four hundred thousand.

They just sold it, this sewn it is today home of Washington.

Yep, they sold it for four hundred thousand dollars.

No, because my brother got it taken a couple of years ago from from it, and the bank took it.

And sold five bedrooms one bath too.

You know now it's too five bedrooms, one bath to address.

Then it's the same neighborhood.

No, it's a four bedroom, two baths upstairs and downstairs.

No, that's not it.

Okay, Oh let me see.

Yeah, that's it.

Oh they remodeled it.

Then they went in there and remodeled it.

Yeah, they took a bathroom out because if you American dream.

Look, I gotta let Pete go.

Do you get what I'm saying at this point, the American dream it's not accessible to most Americans.

Now it's even in a more heart.

So let me ask you this question.

Do you think I, looking at that house I grew up in?

Do you think I lived part of the American dream looking at that your dad did?

Do you think I lived part of the American dream looking at that house?

That'd be the question, Pete, Like you said, how you become what you became?

Huh said?

If I was living American dream in that house, that goes back to you, Pete, like, how did I become a cripology?

I was just giving you a hard time.

He wasn't living in the American dream.

Your father was.

Oh okay, you just was benefit you as a freeloader, A little crumb snatcher.

I was that you gotta, you gotta, it's a it's a good thing is at the house, nice things.

Trust me.

Through my stepdad, I got to see some nice things of rich people.

So yes, you're right, But I didn't look as the American dream because my color when I went out showed me that there was.

No American dream.

You know, even though I lived in that house and had a white dad, you know, they would still call me nigger in front of my dad where he'll be fighting them like it was like that.

So it wasn't still to me no American dream.

Police was still arresting me, pulling me over and as a kid, and so on and so on.

So I've never to me got to see that American dream.

It was just a house that we lived in, you know, and everybody in the school and that area had nice houses at that time.

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