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Watch up and welcome back to another episode of No Sealers Podcast with your host.

Now fuck that with your loaw glasses, Malon.

This is like I was telling the track the other day.

A lie is real, you know.

So when you say I'm lying, no, it's real to me.

You attacking me.

To you it may be a lie.

To me, it's real.

This turn to therapy.

Yes, he's over here on the couch.

What you think it is?

Two niggas on the couch.

It better be therapy.

So so, why do you feel like why do you feel like lessons attack you?

The doctors in the house, why attack you?

What do you do He's gonna tell you the story?

Is he gonna tell me the story?

No, he wants you to tell the story.

Damn.

I just don't.

Don't clamb up, man, I just want to see now, Like, come on.

You don't just go see now now, all right, give us the story.

Come on, whatever, why do you hear that?

Why do you feel attacked?

Can we just move on?

We passed that nigga.

The nigga's on the couch that you're not talking about.

His problem is just take off.

We're worried about yours.

We're worried about yours right now?

What's the topic today?

Coach?

All right?

Can you finally got your chance to get your grievances off?

And you clam up?

Because I will give my griefings off one on one.

I need to know what happened now, Derry, go chatty, chatty, there we go.

He's like, mess, don't you coach?

It ain't no mess, Coach.

It's a good day to start this Friday off.

So you're gonna tell us why why you feel this?

Actor?

No, No, I'm not.

Okay anyway, last you're gonna start us off?

Man, you don't get us going, I.

Guess have a moment of silence until trap comes and starting off?

What did I miss?

What is going on right now?

What's happening?

Guys?

Somebody need to talk blastes stuff, get us going, say something he mind in today?

Glasses is mine in today you run in the show.

He said, if we could pick up the slack, can you pick up the slow?

Okay, so this is this what it stems from.

Did you say something like that?

No?

Is that why you did you say something about it?

You really?

You?

Really?

Yeah?

I really just roll the show, talk about no ceilings, lunch hour support.

Okay, so podcast show.

You want the person who is the last person to know what the topics are to roll the show, Like, I'm sure.

I don't know what the topics are either.

You know what topic is?

Now?

Why you got g up in here?

Quiet?

I know.

I've never heard it.

I never I never seen him bet this crack in my life.

So what'd you do?

You must have did something.

Hey, that's why I'm just high.

Okay, I'm just high.

That's all I was.

What did I just walk into?

Why are you guys acting like this right now?

Like it's showtime?

Now?

Like now, y'a need to shake hands, make up and listen.

Ship, we're not mad at each other.

Okay, it seems like you're okay is but.

Man, don't do culture like that.

Man, come on, man, coach going this is this all?

Is this what y'all said?

Y'all gonna do some weird ship today.

Is this it?

Oh?

My god?

Is this the weird ship y'all got playing?

Y'all going to sit here and watch me?

This is okay.

I see what's happening.

Now, don't do like I see don't do like that.

No, don't no, I'm not no.

He said we're gonna do anything.

I'll see.

What's so nigga lie, So he's going back to the lock.

Is the problem.

This is the nigga problem.

Here, get the mic.

It's the mic man, Thank you, thank you.

So King was late, No, I wasn't late.

King got here at eleven fifty seven, right, Joker was here.

King reorganizes the studio, right, this is he fixes the studio.

He's been doing it the whole time.

So now every time I look for something, I can't find what I'm looking for.

So jokers here, shout out the joker.

Right, Jokers here, right, And I can't find the extra mic in the extra mic cables because where I left him, they're not here, but I'm looking for him.

So now we're running behind the show supposed to start at twelve.

King gets here about eleven fifty six.

Eleven fifty seven right now, I'm like, hey, King, where's the extra cables and the mic?

Like you know what I mean?

We missing a fourth cable and mic.

We had six or seven of them, but we for short shit at four and so now he's starting to look around.

It's twelve.

We don't have jokers that ain't hooked up.

So I'm like, damn man.

I'm like, I didn't really say too much.

I'm like, man, where's their mike?

Shit?

Can you just be moving the stuff around?

Now?

I can't find it.

I don't know what's at.

So it's worse when you're not here.

So now I really don't know where it's at.

So he tell so we finally Jimmy rigged, right, I'll get a short cable that comes over here.

So it's kind of hanging out.

We don't have the long cables that we need.

So with Jimmy rigg it, I'm like, damn King, may we need to know.

We finally get a Jimmy rigg and he mad.

He frustrated because he can't find the cables and mics that he put up.

And he's like, see now we got to fix and you and you are attacking me that's what he said in front the joker.

You didn't want to say that earlier, exactly in.

Front of the jokers.

Why how's it?

This is all the facts, it's I try.

I try to give you the floor.

You don't want it.

Now you want to exactly exactly, which is the problem, right, Instead of him saying, hey, gee, my bad, fool, my bad, right, which is cool because King ain't got it.

That's my partner, my nigga.

But he did say my bad.

He's like your glasses attacking me.

I'm like, that's what he said.

So I said, I said, I said, how am I attacking you?

I said, how am I attacking you?

Like?

I don't have the cable?

You moved the stuff around, so when you late showing up, I wasn't late.

I'm like, King, if I need what if we needed ten minutes to set it up and you're not here, but you the ones that know all the mic and the cables?

Is that?

Oh well?

You know well, I'm just saying you.

You don't got to talk about me like that in front of everybody.

You just wait till it just me and you.

Oh my bad.

I'm sorry.

I thought this was an amicable conversation that we were trying to solve in front exact like, in front of the company, like and he just get at me.

So instead of him saying, my bad, gee, it's done.

You no accountability the storage, that it's not about the storage, he could have just said, you know what, that's true gee.

But he said in the President.

So I'm like, my bad, I didn't know you run, instead of you said, but but you don't think it's important for me to say what should happen?

But king, what's you saying?

What happened?

It's time to go?

Dog, you say it, I'm making let's go.

You aren't for me to say.

I'm that.

I'm not waiting for you to say my bad.

I'm saying if you was gonna say anything, I would imagine that would be the thing to say.

Versus you worried about them.

You got me looking crazy.

I'm the one that's lazy.

Looking crazy because you already said he.

Then you said, I'm attacking you crazy because you already said so.

Because he's setting the presidents.

So he said in the President.

So I'm like, well, you know what, you sit up in the front.

If you said the presidents of the show because I said, this is about the show.

Okay, So King, So first off, you said.

It was late.

I said, how do you want to do all this talk when you don't have the mic?

King?

But I'm just wondering why you why you don't look at this like a bad johnnor though?

King?

Yes, when I said, don't mean exactly what.

I'm saying, But why do you look at this like a bad n This is how important you are to the show, exactly like to.

Where I swear to God, soul on Olivia soul, on Olivia's soul, on my mother's soul, rest peace on my mother soul, rest in peace on my light?

Or what did you?

You are super important to the show.

How are you mad that you?

You are the life?

You were the life blood.

You're the life blood of the show.

You are you why because you're the light?

Because you are important to the show?

Man weird?

What I made was weird?

All right, Kink, So lack of account killing.

You know how much I can't King, You know how much I don't be one to side with.

But got on, Jim, you are the one nigga in the whole show's time that I've been on.

Here said I said with you one, nigga, you.

And you've seen the whole for example, historically of people knowing us, yes, know that, historically of people knowing us.

That's the first time in life somebody them said you sided with me?

And then King, King, you are really so like the calm video right now and you can you know, I'm I'm dead shir I'm dead serious about this.

Is the same reason you ain't want to be called important.

He was like, no, I'm not important that important.

Goddamn cable.

You are me.

You need me, nigga, you need me, You're important, No, I said you.

Man, he mad, we need you.

Can't tell you how could you need me in this light, see this ship?

How could you need you don't go through you mean tell me glasses.

You didn't know everybody was to be here with the job when you come here, so we know we could go.

Back to your I walk up here ten twelve minutes, twenty minutes, like y'all go with your should running.

It's gonna y'all just walk up in here and just get it while I fitted.

But we need you before the shold dart.

We need you.

We need you to get the ship going on somebody guests, come, we need you hit to.

Be said at all.

I saw how the nigga said, sitting in his seat and run the show, because that's exactly.

But I could though, I know how to put the bad tea.

That's another thing.

Was the problem.

You could have got up here and I could have I could have started it and everything.

Can you tell me how to do that?

You're a dope.

You're dope.

You mad, You mad because you dope, and you've got responsibilities and you and you slack thing responsibilities.

One time, man, somebody talked.

To you about one time exactly.

All you gotta say is like, all right, my bad exact like coach, my name, my man, I've been missing boxing.

No excuse me, I'm not blaming.

Oh, here we go.

You know what, coach, You've been doing all You've been coaching your kids and doing a good job.

So it's your fault.

No, my bad, coach, it is your fault.

Coach whole lot.

Know on his ass accountability, Stay on his ass accountability.

See I just took accountability, accountability.

Let me get all that, Let me get the shoulder of you.

No go back so people can see you.

It can't it came with the thing he's swinging because you said the chord is short.

Dang, you're dope, bro.

We need you back, We need you to be on your shit.

I hate to see Joker would know why this thing is out of It's like it's doing this weird focused.

Thing in and out.

Yeah, Joker, this is right up his expertise.

Joker, that was your hint.

It wasn't.

It wasn't a hint why it goes in and out.

It wasn't a hit.

I don't know anything.

I have no idea what kind of camera that is.

I don't even know where this footage is coming.

Is it?

But that camera right there with the bass guitar?

Ye?

Yeah, what is it?

What kind of cameras?

This is?

Sony A fifty one hundred.

Yeah, I don't have anything.

He still would know, he still would he still would know.

If he looked at it, he'd be like, oh, I know what, you just hit this this It goes in and out of focus.

It's kind of weird.

But I think it also.

Could be the lens look pale back here you do.

It's like yeah, you know.

I know, it's like it's like makes you look like man, you.

Always look like like that.

Now stop.

Yeah, I'm a shark skin gentleman.

You're how the darts kid.

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A certain type of terrorism?

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What the stochastic means chaotic?

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Let me read, let me read the definition again.

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Can people hear me?

Yes?

They can?

They can?

They can't.

A shout out to Jacob the Sinner.

Now you say it, he said, tell the joker please that I love Welcome to the show, and all the orphans shout out.

I appreciate you man, thank you for acknowledging me.

I wanted to just say that real quick before you get started, so we don't lose him in the chat once people start talking.

Amen.

Hell yeah.

Busy B, hip hop pioneer original MC went on DJ Vlad's television show Flat TV and he was saying that Drake, that Drake was I know it threw everything off with King in this scenani here we go again.

He was saying that Kendrick Lamar is hip hop and Drake wasn't hip hop.

He was saying that Drake was just rap, which is crazy because I thought about this title.

I think I thought about the title before that thing happened.

But it was something specific he said, and he was saying, he doesn't speak culture.

He doesn't speak for the culture.

He doesn't speak for the culture.

And really, really, and in trying to tell people the difference between hip hop and rap for a long time, for yeah, we at this point once I finally got a real grasp and I ranted by some of the legends in New York and the legends, and I've got something that everybody felt was close enough.

I have took it and made it my business to implement the concept to everybody.

Rap is the depression of hip hop music that was popularized by hip hop music.

Rap existed before hip hop.

Hip Hop is this cultural, it's this culture.

It's the way you live.

To attitude, identity.

You know what it was we talked about out It was a trill.

It might have been too and they was talking about Rastafarian versus gay.

Oh yeah, I forgot something that was said that I said that take.

That was a great take, though, tell them what it was that that was dope.

That was a fine one.

He explained that Rastafarian is the lifestyle that produced reggae music.

But everybody who makes reggae, know, who does reggae music or dancehall music isn't Rastafarian.

That's where we at in hip hop.

Hip hop has been alone so long now, it's been a while.

Excuse me, it's been it's been around so long now that everybody who raps is not hip hop.

Everybody does not represent the culture, as they say, and that culture specifically is street urban coaching.

It don't sound I know, it sounds crazy when you hear the brothers from New York, all the legends.

They are so filthy with culture that they don't have to express that, you know, they don't have to keep saying, oh, you know what, you know, because it's natural to them.

Like people in New York are on top of each other.

Like it's like if you stack a bunch of meat in a pen, like you if you ever season the barbecue right and then you put all the meat in a in a in a plastic tupperware set, it don't have to be perfect, you know what I mean.

It could be on top of each other a little bit.

That's New York they just season that whole plastic tub, right, and then they just mixed up.

That's how New York.

Now it's gonna be some people that ain't got as much seasoning, but they seasoned.

They seasoned.

It touched them a little bit, and it touched them a lot a bit because you mixed it up.

And that's New York.

They the train mix it up like hands.

The the transportation that the wealthiest person the New York takes and the poorest person in New York takes is the pand that's the plastic.

That's the plastic tupwear.

And it just be mixed up.

And they just mix it up on the sea train.

It just be mixed up.

They be hearing everybody talking.

They get the attitude.

The school.

That's how it is in New York.

You can go to whatever school you want to.

It's not like La where you gotta go to where you permit it.

Like here is your district and you got to go to school in this district.

In New York, you could just go to what school.

So all kinds of people went to different schools.

So people in New York.

The reason street urban culture, the term was never defined.

It was natural for them.

You got seasoned with the street urban people in New York everywhere, and that's what makes it so special.

That's why only a place like New York could have created hip hop.

It's that type of unique place.

It's just this plastic tuugh ofware and they season everybody.

Everybody sees.

And it'd be a regular white man and he start talking, Yeah, the rock campaign full you know where they're again.

He'll just start breaking down the whole album this lyric.

You'll be like, bro, me and joking went the last time.

Joker just talking to this man.

He's like, man, gee, this ship is crazy.

I'm like, I'm telling you, this is what.

Happened New York Blast, New York City.

Bro, this is what happens to everybody when you go to New York.

What the fuck is I'm talking about the train of everybody.

You be like a random nigga BDP, you know, uh uh.

They'll just start talking about the Boogey Down Productions album.

He'll just start breaking it down.

He's like, no, no chr rest his verse on this.

You'll be like, what is this white man talking about?

And he'll just be breaking that ship down, you know what I mean?

And that's why New York is special.

So it's hard for New York people to understand the rest of the world is not like that.

It's hard even the East Coast like, and not just New York City.

But if you go to Boston, like, look at Mark Wahlberg.

Bro Mark Wahburg is a little more seasoned than the average white person in Los Angeles.

But look at this mannerism, look at this swife, look at his style, look at how he carries himself.

You think the rest of the white Bostonians are like that?

Also, man, a lot of them motherfuckers is like that dog.

It's weird.

Why you think the Mafia act like that?

Think about how the Mafia act.

Think about all the Mafia movies.

You said, ain't it a little swag versus the average white person we running to coach maybe like the fucking movie and we just shoulders and shit, you know what I mean?

They just kind of it's like a style about him, and they just carry themselves, you know, like they think they niggas.

I'm telling you, even if they don't like niggas, they think they niggas.

They moody, ain't got no like it's just an attitude.

Bro.

That's because the East Coast everything, especially New York City, everything is on top of each other.

Like I need.

I like to say all the time, like New York, we don't we don't build out, we build up, you know.

What I'm saying.

So it's like it's like that.

So that that.

Goes along with then anybody be on top of each other too, because New York ain't buch so big.

Remember it's an island, Coach, It's an island for the island.

So it's like this really so you so when they see it when God seasoned, you know what I mean, everybody and then the train and then people walking next to each other, it just they seizon each other, you know what I mean, And it be happening when they're young.

They just it's just a different place, bro.

Like I'll give credit to New York City.

That is really unique, you know what I mean.

You can only because there's white people that do not mix with us out here, Coach, they never see us a day in they life.

They see a black baby, like somebody from our walker lights, you know what I mean, Like it clutched they person New York ain't nobody clutching their motherfucker pop.

About that that I'm saying you didn't had a couple of girl women.

I mean, it depends on It depends on when you though maybe not man.

Ain't no white person clutch they person.

Queens might clutch their person.

Benson, you might go to, might go to White Stone U Bate Side or something like that.

They're gonna look at you kind of crazy.

It's like, I'm broken.

That's because they gonna be looking at what your broke as doing over here.

A place some there called Malley Boy or something like that.

That's what That's what the spar shoots used to shoot their own and then movies at fick ass House is crazy right by the white Stone Bridge and look crazy.

What do you think makes it so hard for people to take hip hop the culture seriously?

That's a better question.

When they understand what it is, they can never take it seriously, so they understand really what, really, what what we mean when we say hip hop?

You know what I'm saying, hip hop culture and shit like that.

As long as people keep on looking at it as being just music, then it ain't gonna it ain't gonna be taken.

I don't know what it's gonna take people understand it's just a little bit more than music.

You know what I'm saying.

It was a it was a culture created ybe, you know what I'm saying, powerty, strictening, you know what I'm saying, Black and the spinning communities, you know what I'm saying.

And like they.

They they lived a certain way, they dressed a certain way, they talked the certain way.

Everything everything was just done within a certain that they created.

You know what I'm saying.

Was nothing done like that before that?

Hey?

And do you think that they don't take hip hop serious all the time because they only think it's rapped and when they see goofball rap, all right, yeah, I think.

But so you think it's ignorant driving kind of the challenge of people understanding what it is like they just don't know.

So they're like, no, because my whole life I thought hip hop was these songs.

Yeah, they realize not to, they realize that.

It's just like that's why I kind of don't.

I kind of I gotta push back and like I'm like on it for for it to be taught and people gonna understand that it's more than just music.

You know what I'm saying, and it could be taught to people as like as a saying where they teach like, you know what I'm saying, Muslim studies, you know what I'm saying, or like or like different type of you know what I'm saying culture that they they teaching school and stuff.

I'm like, I'm like on the border line of like really like agree with it and not agreeing with it.

But but I think that would that would come along with people understanding what it is, that it's just a little bit more than music though, you know what I mean, that's what people gotta understand.

But as hard as basically.

I don't know, maybe was saying but imagine here, I think it was saying beings Farian, that's what hip hop is.

It's Rostafarian.

It's that somebody it's a religion.

I'm like, that's just a way of life.

That's just a discipline.

It's a practice, just like hip hop.

It's how you did right.

And rap is the music that hip hop can produce.

Rap is the genre that people talk about.

Rap is the genre.

So when people say, like a religion, so with would hip hop be like what Christianity and and and rap would be like gospel.

Music mmm.

Kind of yeah, yeah in a way.

No, why not because Christianity is a little bit more.

Vague because it's a category error.

I think rap is a skill.

It's like you guys know what rap stands for, right, originally rhythm and poetry.

All right, Yeah, so it's a skill.

It's a skill, like you could take that skill and do like you can do carpentry in a public bathroom or at the Sistine Chapel.

You could do you know what I mean.

It's a skill.

Rap is something you do.

Hip Hop, I think, is like an immersive lifestyle, like with the talking culture, something that you live.

It's an attitude.

It has core tenants, it has like axiomatic principles like yo, you know, authenticity above everything, Like you could be you could be hip hop and be from Beverly Hills.

You could be hip hop and be from Texas.

You could be hip hop and be from Queens.

But it's an attitude and it's it's a principle.

Whereas rap is a skill.

And then that skill got propagated with the commercialization of hip hop, you know, in the nineties and two thousands, and of course it got commercialized.

And then they took that skill and they commercialized it more and more and more and lowered the bars so that all you had to do was rap.

Then they conflated it.

Then they said, now rap is hip hop, and it's like, nah, see what I mean.

There's a little bit of a difference of a category errator.

So like Christianity talking about gospel music, it's like, no, that's a direct and media outflow of it.

And it'd be more like hip hop is the lifestyle, and then what produces, what we produce is authentic music.

That would be like Christianity to gospel music wouldn't be like rap because you could do rap anywhere in any genre.

It's just like what people what's being commercialized?

And then I feel like they just corporately conflated all that ship They want people thinking that Waterdale bullship rap is its hip hop and it's not very distinct.

Okay boy, okay, cook like you like you?

That was fresh air?

King?

What's up?

Man?

Can you go?

King?

I caught your phone.

I caught your phone, took you ain't answer the phone?

I was running late?

What with that?

Man?

If I talked to King?

If I ever try the whole kiing accountable.

I just never here we go.

I try to.

I'm trying to let you know, running late though, King answer, here's a why are you telling?

King?

Because Kingdom who called me every day before?

Yeah, we can't know you run the show, run the show, motherfuckers?

You need me?

How dare you?

I appreciate you, bro?

That's why I hit you around.

I side.

I can't go right now for you hitting me up right now, because can't hit me up like where you at, Trap.

I was getting ready to hit you up, but coach ten minutes I was on the train.

Well you come here, turn my phone off.

You know, I gotta turned my volume down and everything when I come in here, so you know, if I'm not looking at it, hey.

Trap and get back into these deep waters.

But uh, hey, what's up?

What is this a blaze?

What is this you got on?

Right now?

I was thinking that same shirt?

This a shirt?

This is shirt?

That's a shirt?

Boy?

Sure I didn't get the memo.

Trap.

I didn't know he was doing that today.

I didn't know.

I was outside running around.

So the haircut man.

That ships yo looking because I'm because what it is?

I had to go get ready to go.

I'm going to DC tomorrow for you know what I'm saying, Digging in the Great Event.

You're gonna be broadcasting live on the eighty ah D Joint.

So I got I had to go get make sure I get shape up, you know what I'm saying.

I had to pay up a little out for the sun, so I was out in the box.

It's like nine this morning.

I had to rush.

I rushing the crab.

I'm gonna go after I finished it, I'm gonna go back out and go do a couple more things and get right.

But yeah, again, no real quick.

If you're in the DC area, you know what I'm saying, Pull up to the seeing lot uptown.

You know what I mean.

Digging in the Crates crew.

You know what I'm saying.

They're gonna be doing their event that they do though.

You know what I'm saying, it's a it's a bino event where it's curated by the people who attend the event.

So I'm gonna be doing a broadcast from their live it's from six to U two, So you in if you're in the area.

It's the it's it's the after party to the the Hampton versus highwar classic game.

So if you're in DC, pull up, Yeah, that's it to.

So back to to Joker's point, it's closer to like Rastafarian reggae reggae is.

Even then they start to even take reggae back, they're like, nah, they make dance hall.

They starting to really different different ncate exactly what's happening.

So hip hop is how you live.

It's every day like the artistic expression of that street urban culture is what it's what hip hop is.

It's the expression of it that people can see, you know what I'm saying.

And to Joker's point, there are a lot of people who grew up listening to rap music.

They grew up listening to rap music.

They grew up loving it, fucking with it.

It's one of their favorite genres of music.

It may not versus me where that was my everything.

I didn't have any Like I'm for sure it wasn't playing on cameo.

I wasn't playing none of that other shit.

But there's a lot of people who grew up and they enjoy rap songs.

They really enjoy rap songs, and you have a lot of people taking the craft of rapping serious.

There taking the Craft series.

They are dynastic.

Post Malone's are the prime example of a dynamic rap record making person using the melodic style that hip hop popularized, the melodic rap style, and he's making fantastic records.

You could tell he liked rap music growing up, but it doesn't mean that he's hip hop because he makes the same music that hip hop can make.

Hip hop also can make.

R and B.

Mary J.

Blige is a prime example.

There's some really dope s.

Nate Dog's a prime example.

Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

So it's just weird.

And so when Busy being saying that again, because shout out to the homie he always at the lunch table, he just said something.

He's saying that the ogs don't do a great job of explaining what's happening.

And the truth is is because they never had to fully define it.

It's so innate to somebody from New York City.

I mean, it is like natural, like them, Nick, It's just like trap.

You know, it's just natural.

They just it's there every day existence, you know what I mean, It's there.

They just live it every day second nature.

It's like how people judge us for being crips.

You know what I mean.

It's like you don't it don't mean it don't mean king got a snatch of purse or or like or a coach or anybody you have to do something wrong.

It's just how you live.

Being It's just how you live.

Being a part of the community.

Being a cripple of blood is just how you live.

But you know what I you know what I come to realize though, like that I got older and ship because I was I was one point.

I was at one point and I was like.

An ignorant state where where I would feel like as if hip hop only had to look and if it ain't look like us, it ain't hip hop and shit like that, you know what I'm saying.

You don't know if you really agreement like that, though, but but I feel like hip hop looked different depending on what area you come fun as far as street urban culture from your area like that.

Yeah, but the seed only grows in those places and then the culture sprouts out.

Yeah, I mean, but it.

Only It's like it's like oranges don't grow the same way everywhere, you know, I mean, it's only a seed that could be grown, you know what I mean?

In its exception in these really dense urban populated communities.

That's why New York is it's the most disney populated place, an urban disney populated place in America.

And that's why it only grows there.

Like we watch other people kind of try, but it never really works out.

If you think about hip hop, that's why most of the time you start to like you see somebody like j Cole, they'll start to look for their success.

Forgive me Ja Cole, because I'm not shitting on you.

It looks like New York City.

Fact, you saw how if it looked like straight up, you might not see the movement of people.

I always tell trap this.

This time I realized too, through my through my studies and all of my jerneys.

Is it's the movement of we, and you have to have enough we people shout out to Steve.

He said, the most Disney populated is actually Jersey ge my bed.

I'm sorry with that, damn Shiit same thing all thet all the little as towns, but between fucking training Newark, man.

So it's like a seed.

So you plant the seed and then the movement of people, you know, it's we.

So you can see a movement.

That's why n w A works.

So that's why Wu Tang works.

So that's why it works, l Ao.

It works so well because it's the movement of a bunch of people.

It's not this kind of sparsely populated place that one person is just rapping their story.

Usually that person is rapping a movement of people.

He's representing, he's giving a voice to a bunch of voiceless people.

It's it's really simple.

I don't know how people can't get this.

Hip Hop is street urban culture artistically expressed through the elements, as people say, through the arts and elements.

Whether you see graffiti as that as just an element, it's an art.

Whether you see how people move you know we're dancing, whether you see how people DJing, whether you see rap.

If anybody can rap, the Pope can make a rap album right now, ours it just wouldn't be hip hop, but it might be the hardest cathnic rap album of all time probably.

And I would add authentic to that defin that definition to not just street urban culture, but authentic because authenticity is the key.

Because people can can emulate street or urban culture, they can like masquerade as such.

I mean but like, if it's authentic, it can't be emulated because it comes from an authentic place.

Like hip hop was born out of an authentic, oppressed, marginalized gutter situation and people that were stuck there, but ultimately by the fuckery of people in power as the That's what it all led down to.

Keep doing fun shit and then you wind up with these super oppressed, marginalized communities, the natural outwork and the authentic artistic expression.

From there, it's hip hop, and then rap became one of the main tenets of that because why think about why is soccer the most popular sport on the planet.

It's not because people like it, it's because of the simplicity.

All you need is a ball in a field.

You don't need a giant goal or a bunch of pads and all this other shit like we got in America.

You could play soccer.

In Africa, you could play soccer and Australia in the jungle.

Doesn' matters longly.

You have a flat space and the ball you got it.

So therefore it's immediately relatable to everybody.

Now, what does hip hop have and rap have, or I mean rap more specifically have that all the other instruments.

I mean, all the other genres don't have You don't need instruments.

You got rhythm and poetry, which is just your work.

Everyone has access to the English language, everybody.

It's the lingua franca of the world.

So RAP naturally blew up because of its simplicity, and the entertainment value is super high in comparison to the output, the necessary output, so you could you could spend a million dollars a minute on a Pixar animation and it won't have the same cultural impact as the illness punchline you've ever fucking heard, you know what I mean.

Yeah, that's the difference.

The simplicity is the language.

The logos in the beginning was the word you know what I mean.

It's primary, and this is being amplified by the pain and the struggle of the marginalized, see what I mean.

But it's simple, so it's relatable and accessible to everyone.

And then when it comes out of America, when it comes out the Big Apple, that's the pop culture definer, you know, America in the big cities in America is the pop culture definer for the globe.

So naturally it just kind of trickled down out of there and people connected with it because it's real, so authentic.

People love it, but you know it's dope.

And this is to Trapp's point.

If you try to emulate it from somewhere else, it gets questioned, like if you just start emulating what me is doing, like they'll try, Like you can have a record, but he won't truly blossom into this huge and great things unless it becomes authentic to the soil is grown out of the difference between like an orange in Florida and the orange in California.

They're both oranges, but they are different in texture.

I mean how they peel was because of the input sweetness exactly, the soil itself, and then the climate that grows right the soils then and then the environment that is growing it.

It's like, right now, we can all grow a coca plant, right, does that make sense?

Like we could, we could create the we could mask the uh, but we don't have the natural element to grow enough you know, cocoa plants or excuse me, uh, the plants needed to make cocaine.

We wouldn't.

We couldn't grow enough of them because their natural environment, their natural shit cultivates that and that's kind of what it is.

And with New York and everybody else like New York first are like, it needs to look like us, but it would never quite become special anywhere else in less than for you and the actual environment that is growing.

So that to me, became the seed planet only in these places like we We've even seen it in a couple other places, you know what I mean, where it's just Chicago, Memphis, you can see that seed growing and it's just a little different.

I like to say, I feel like it's some it's everywhere.

You know what I'm saying.

It's everywhere in the world.

You know what I'm saying, But it just has to resemble about where you're from, though, you know what I'm saying, Like you got to resemble subject.

One day I said, I said, Yo, Montana got an urban you know what I'm saying.

Somebody said, no, I don't.

No, No, Mantinna got streets.

They don't really have an urban population.

Ain't enough people.

They don't have enough people.

That's the thing.

The hardest part is when you just represent yourself.

And I think that's what's wrong with hip hop right now.

There's a lot of people doing it just to represent themselves.

They're not taking into account a moving of people that they're speaking for.

They're not giving a voice to the voiceless.

They're the only person that's like, people need to hear me versus hip hop.

Initially, you know, it was about a bunch of people living this same life and not with the connection.

I mean, it was still a niche group of people, but it was people that the world never heard from.

So that's why I don't think it can I don't think the seed can grow anywhere.

I don't think the seed can grow anywhere correctly, you know what I'm saying.

I don't believe that, but I think it could grow more.

Like we see stuff.

I see stuff out of Paris, France that I'll be like, Damn, that looks crazy.

I see stuff in Russias crazy.

I see stuff and opptunity in the United Kingdom, you know what I mean, and I'll be like, wow, because they have street urban communities where if you plant that seed, it's just a little different.

But see, the only thing I think about when it comes to of course seas being at this is our this is this is an American culture.

Like you know what I'm saying, like like hip hopping is like that.

They they tend to do it, just they don't do it on their own way.

It might be their own language.

But like you were going to Japan and end up hearing japan clunk music.

You know what I'm saying.

But I think, I think, but I think I think the times that it has, like right with grime in in England is dope.

But I get what you're saying, Like when you say, like the UK drill, which is very odd, because wow, you don't get me wrong.

England is a very they have crime written areas.

You'll get your I mean, y'all saw what happen to the little pirate that'd be with Drake little pirate dude, I stabbed in the neck.

They get cracking.

But I'm saying when you make real and not understanding the pistol is the drill, you just think it's just music and somebody is taking something that really it doesn't fit and that's why it won't kind of blow up.

It's almost like New York when you York drill, like the music itself could have stood alone, but a place that you know, like you would get you know, heard in New York, but it's not a place known for guns versus like Chicago, where everybody got a gun.

Like that was the kind of the movement you could see.

No little Jojo rest is soul, you know.

I mean this little dude fourteen years old and they got all kind of pistols and rifles and switches and shit, and you'd be like, what the fuck is going on?

You know what I mean?

That's what gave birth to drill.

That's what gave birth to drill.

So it's like it had like to Joker and Trap because Trap always said that too, the authenticity.

So it's like that is the point that made Chicago work.

It was the authenticity of what was happening there and then you could see it and back it up.

It's different, you know, when you're looking like a level of a let's say, like a like a drill in UK.

You know, if they got a gun, it's like a thirty eight.

It's not like like the assortment of drills you saw from all of these kids coming up up in Chicago.

And I think you can kind of pass it off for a little bit, but officially it'll just get caught.

Where did you think you're going from Where did drill come from?

Term drill?

But the term I know that, But I mean, like, what's this?

Who coined that?

And what was the etymology of that?

Ship?

I think I think I think it's just what drill.

The term can Yeah, I think.

I can get.

I would think like thinking about drilling, like who drills.

Construction workers drill.

They put in work, you know what I'm saying.

So I'm not to go in this drill.

I have to put in this work like that.

I think that's I mean, that's what I'm thinking it is, though I'm not don't quote me on the throw.

That's what I thought it was, you know what I'm saying, just putting the work.

Yeah, so what.

I'm saying that's a prime example of something that's a prime exact.

And that's the thing, Like I don't even want to look at it.

I want to ask somebody from Chicago.

Yeah, right, I Excela somebody.

It's like, we didn't name the term.

We just took it and owned it after so it's just what we did.

But yeah, I think that's the part that everybody fights with.

Everybody fights with the fact that hip hop and rap are not they're not mutually like need like they don't have to be together.

Like especially now rap is popular, I mean, like all kind of people are using rap and melodic rap to make their songs.

The problem is if we see somebody black using rap, Lord knows, if they have anything that was popularizing hip hop, we automatically gonna make that hip hop.

And I think part of the problem is not just them, it's us conflating it for some false sense of attachment when you know, all kinds of music been birthed out of these same environments.

You know what I'm saying, all kind of music, blues has been birthed out of urban communic Well, I don't.

Know, yeah, yeah, I don't know.

Loser was birthed out of an urban community.

Was a country there was a country community, a little.

Bit more rural.

Rural community for sure, losing.

Birthed out of the migration from the rural to the city because they was missing out on being in that actually in the rural.

So that's what blusers was birthed from having to.

Move to the city.

Mm.

Yeah, that actually makes a lot of sense thinking about it.

So again, it's one of those things where people can grow up in these same environments and create all kind of music.

Like always say with Uzie, like that's a guy from Philadelphia that grew up and created rock and roll and shaped it in his own image.

But people just fight it for some reason.

I don't know why.

It's like, oh, that got to be hip hop because look, he's a black kid and he's using eight O eights and like, bro like that do not feel anything like street urban culture.

And it's not that they don't feel like my type of street urban culture because.

Trap, go ahead, Chap, I'm grandmothers.

I want the creator.

Tyler, the creator don't feel like my type of street urban coach.

But I know that street urn coaching.

You know that movement of kids like Tyler.

I was waiting for it.

Trap, like everything going on.

Tried to sneak in this ship real fast, right, he tried to real fast.

Yo yo yo, Little.

Not pop said this ship not pop play boy Cannie, not hippop.

Don't who else we got the trippy rad now Hippop.

I don't.

I don't.

I haven't listened to all these people's stuff.

But I'm telling you, but you.

Said, you said R and B could be hip hop?

Why?

Why?

Why?

What they doing singing can be hip hop?

I don't know, man, I think it's huge, Thank you, coach.

What I mean, I'll give me dad in the room.

They marry J Blige is the queen of hip hop?

Something?

You got no argument with me there?

Why do y'all feel?

So?

I don't get it.

They pretty much say they're not hip hop, and y'all just argue with them.

So so be confused.

No, they're not.

I think I'm confusingly being black with being hip hop.

No hip hop?

Their upbringing, where they are?

What's happening?

What's happening black people who love hip hop like UZI versus music hip hop?

I don't.

It's I don't like this, but it's obvious, right, it's obvious.

But why they not hip hop?

Is bullshit?

No?

See, I don't like that ship.

I don't like what you're saying.

I don't like it.

It's bullshit.

So now it was that hip hop one hundred?

No, it's not authentic?

How is that?

Why?

Why not authentic?

It's literally bullshit?

All right?

So you know these are not a couple.

Okay.

When the when the entertainment industry moved from physical to digital, right, everybody freaked out.

All the people in power are the niggas with All the people in powers are the niggas with the money.

They're the left bringing with business niggas.

Right, So the people running the industry, the record companies, they're freaking out because they got shareholders and ship They got to keep their their books in the black high law, which is fucked up.

So why we got run.

We got money running music and culture, which is fucked up.

But either way, now that they're panicing losing all this money, they decide they can't take risks on art anymore.

So what do they do.

They look for people to start their own viral fan bases.

They throw money at that.

With the Internet and the proliferation of all this digital technology, with everybody has their own laptop and computer and recording USB, MIC and shit, what pops is the lowest hanging fucking candy store fruit that can be shared and favored by TikTok, Facebook, YouTube algorithms.

Right, So, now the people who have the money at the top who are gonna invest an actual aren't gonna invest in actual art.

They're gonna invest in virality.

So you get the lowest common denominator popping on the internet like just some ignorant, whack stupid, cheaply made shit.

Because it's popping in this one little area.

The business suits running the shit, who are beholding to their shareholders go okay, let's throw all the money right there.

Then it's a runaway cultural cultural proliferation of low quality, low bar ghetto gangster I mean, ghetto whack crappy music.

And then that gets more and more and more proliferated as they as they become more and more safe, you know what I mean.

They're waiting for shit to pop and then pour money there so that they can keep their books, their books looking good.

The artistic expression of the authenticity is never even even consulted in the entire process.

That's why it's fake as fucked.

These niggas just happen to blow it doing some cheap, whack, little you know what I'm saying, shit, and then they just got money throwed at them.

These niggas aren't like blowing up organically.

Anytime you see somebody blowing up, I don't care how small or big they are to get somebody stepped in and paid that made that happen because of some small virality wanted to play safe.

So it's not real, it's not authentic.

Answer coach, talk about bullshit.

He said, what you say, what you want first the first coach.

All right, So first of all, uh, hey man.

First of all, hey man, you worded that.

That was elegant.

Man, I'm talking up with it.

That sh That was great.

Yeah, that was great, emotional, that's it sounds about this For twenty years, that was.

The game with being the most authentic person ever.

And I hit that fucking fence like the raptors in more fucking Jurassic Park for twenty years, and I studied the ship.

Bro it's bullshit.

It's all bullshit.

It's all run by money.

It's like boardrooms funding art.

It's retarded.

Go ahead, coach, I'm just saying, like I said, man, he has the He definitely emotional and he definitely have a feeling about Little Uzi and all that genre of music.

And like I said, everything you said, you put it, you put it great.

You worried it properly, I mean the way you want the word and to use a lot of big words.

Man, that was awesome.

But I do think that a lot of what you said was based off of how you feel about that music, like how you personally feel about that music.

You saying this ship is bullshit, it's wack and all that type of shit.

But I still think Little Uzi Vert and some of these other guys, you know, I don't really listen to their music that much, but just because just how Mary J could be the queen of soul, R and B hip hop?

H how I don't think we we can't just look at rap as I mean hip hop, as just what.

We want to hear, what we like to hear, what we think is good, what it sounds good to us.

So let's so let's say this, because I think some of those people are fantastic.

Why are they hip hop?

You said hip hop is based out of the street urban culture, right, So ask a question first, So why are we going to look at these guys and say they're not based out of street urban areas.

You've seen him and they based out of street urban areas.

So you don't think little Uzi Vert is Philadelphia?

I feel not where you're from.

He looked like a movement of people in West Philadelphia.

I'm move and I'll say where's he from?

Though?

Is he from a street urban area?

Yeah?

Okay, So why so because he don't look exactly how you want him to look.

Now he's I don't care how he looks.

I'm telling you he doesn't look like the way they look.

I don't know, man, it's a lot of luck young cats dressing like that.

So I didn't see that.

So listen, I think it's what it is.

Young.

Before you do that, Before you do that, look look like you could be from a street urban area and make rock and roll?

Is young?

Dug answered my question.

Well, there you go.

Yeah, I was gonna ask everybody where you're from.

Either you could be, you could be you can you make rock and roll and still be hip hop?

That's the question I was gonna ask trap, not the G.

Well, if you grew up there living the light, Joker and G don't like your music, you make the music that you choose to make.

Trap, I think that's how you feel like I don't like music.

That's just ridiculous.

Listen, I listened.

You like lists.

There's a future like on Fire brom Yeah, but I think but I think that's what you think.

And I think that's what everybody's issue is with me with Drake.

They think I don't like it.

I think that's a cheap one.

Actually think you do like I think you do.

But I'm telling you because you tell you who I like and don't like, so you don't that I don't need kind of the cheap like, oh you must don't like them.

No, I'm telling you that is not a representation the street.

That being culture in Philadelphia.

I've been to Philadelphia.

There's no movement of little Oozzi's.

Little Uzi is a rock star.

He makes a modern take on rock music using elements that hip hop popularized.

He grew up in West Philly.

He grew up listening to rap me you think where?

Do you think you got these elements from?

From where?

From where he was born and raised?

Right?

Yes, But you can a rock enrolled person doing that?

Why y'all track?

What's the He can be an R n B person in B hip hop?

He could be a rock roll person.

Hold on, no, you can't.

That's the point.

It's a commitment to both.

If you can't commit to both, there's people that sing but they're hip hop.

Se y'all give credit to that.

That's like Drake Whell.

Y'all think that he makes R and B and hip hop which is ridiculous because he don't make either, or he makes pop music.

He will sing to make pop music, or he will rap to make pop music.

So it's little so little Uzi is Drake d.

You know, Little Uzi is a rock and roll star.

He makes a modern take on rock music.

I'm not saying he's got rock and roll.

I'm telling you so.

Then at that point, no, he's not hip hop.

That's he's not a representation in street urban culture.

That's not what he is.

That's not what he does.

He does.

His is Christy Brown hip hop.

D No, Chris Chris Brown's an R and B singer, uh huh manic hip hop and Chris Brown not hip hop.

Mary J hip hop, Chris Brown not hip hop.

Verry J.

Blige is deemed the queen of hip hop soul And why would she that?

Why wout you think that?

For?

You have to ask puff.

I'm saying that because you did that because of the first album she was rapping up.

She was singing over a lot of a lot of hip hop break beats and ship but Chris and she was dressed, and she was dressed like hip hop video videos was dumb with hip hop form all.

The hes not he's not hip hop.

I'm telling you more people in those communities do the same thing.

That don't mean they're hip hop.

That's not They may not.

Mean definitely hip hop.

I'm not gonna.

No for the term for the terms of them.

We s saying, hold on, trap, stop doing that.

We're talking about one person.

Stop bringing somebody else into the I didn't bring them up.

I didn't bring them up.

You stop doing that.

Focused we're talking about little you know.

You know when you said that's it that if we start bringing we start bringing up some other people that help our argument.

We can do that, not help you.

I don't like when you do that.

She stopped saying that.

Of the Chris, I'm just saying there there, let me let up like they are two different artists from from Because for some strange reason, we're gonna tell people that how rap is this?

Because you rap, you're not hip hop.

That's what we're telling people.

We're trying to tell you that the genre of music that you're doing doesn't make you hip hop.

Being hip hop make you hip hop.

So I'm bringing up another person who's not not We don't care about the genre of music.

We care about their lifestyle, they where they uh, where they up, their upbringing and all that kind of shit that makes them hip hop.

Makes what they're doing hip hop, It doesn't not their genre of music.

So that's why I brought up Chris Brown.

That's why Virginia, Virginia what city?

I don't know what the city?

So okay, so you think Chris Brown did not So he come across as a person who did not grow He not drake.

He drake, Chris Brown drake.

So you're saying, no, no, no, I want you to get on right now Chris Brown.

No, I'm not gonnaow him do that.

I'm not gonnaw him do that.

No, but no, you'll went to no.

No.

I know cause you cause you're about to walking through this whole that Chris Brown a phony.

That's what you want to say.

You knew what doing he did?

See that what you about to say about Chris Brown?

Christ turning around, look at me with this look Chris Brown.

My badd He's blood exactly.

So what this means.

Authenticity?

Hey, I didn't put them on somebody else put them.

They put him on your blood.

You know your blood?

Hey, you know your blood?

Authenticity you know your blood.

Representation of all your movie the people you grew up with.

Hey, you know your blood, Nigga, make the.

Look at your fact.

You know.

I didn't what you're saying about.

What you're saying about Breezy right now.

I'm not saying nothing about I like Chris Brown.

I'm like this music, like this music.

Yeah, but what are you saying?

Okay?

I like Chris Brown?

So now I was an amazing person.

I have a lot of respect.

I think he's one of the most talent people I know, and I think he's of street army culture to some degree.

He's hip hop.

Jumping off to say hip hop, that's not I haven't did.

Make him not be hip hop?

The fact that he's an R and B artist, Bro, that's that was the question that came about to just ask, though you can actually do a drama of music that is not rapped and still live a hip hop lifestyle.

Bro, I'm not saying it, but what makes you think Chris Brown lives a hip hop lifestyle?

Because you can see it what you say he was.

He was tagging on the wall.

He was.

Sure if you got cool, big old yet just made a map blood and he up blood he blooded on it.

Listen, So I'm telling you trap, what is specific?

I hate this now we're talking about Christmas.

I just named it for you.

Just now back up to UZI.

This is what y'all do every time, and then y'all gonna make two back and piercing.

UZI are completely different.

So let me know, let me talk about about about about the thing he grew up.

Let me no, no, no, no no, I'm gonna tell you about ozzy hip hop trap.

I'm gonna tell you right now.

So I don't.

I don't had conversations with with with with Lake and Lake and all that sha like that right what it was.

Yet he didn't resemble what West philad w looked like.

You know what I'm saying.

What And that's why Uzzi more or less got on by going down south to the Acuse that's what the A was looking like.

You know what I'm saying.

They got that whole he was.

He was probably a whole futuristic shit that was going on out there, all them younger la niggas and all that shake that they not hip hop.

That was that was his own way right there.

The way he looked the way he resembled now as far when the come of the music, though, Bro, you're gonna sit here telling memos.

Walked this way, was walked this way?

Why you're gonna make a pop song?

A pop song?

Walk this way is a pop song.

By one of the maybe by one of the best, one of the best hip hop dudes of all time.

Facts.

So that so when they when they went into the and did it, they do it in terms of we're gonna make this the pops on it.

In turns that we're making a rap You converting this rock and roll over to rap right now, every one of their stories, that's exactly what they did.

It's flow right, it's flow right of hip hop or pop.

For Wright to make pop music.

So he's got hip hop.

I'm not.

Because exactly just saying this, I don't know about the lifestyle though.

Remember when I just said this in the circle, y'all do a thousand things to get away from the different people.

You stop making bad comparison.

Oozy makes rock music.

It's not about not about the music he making.

OZI carries himself as a hip my person.

He looks like he lives the coaching.

You seeing me like, man, that's a.

Hip hop nigga right there is young Doug hip hop focus.

I'm just saying, because you keep it, I got a better question.

Better question though, right to me, I got him.

You know, but we can sit the hip hop party is focus?

When you looking when I'm sinking hip hop, I don't think about the lettos when I say that nigga got him on.

You said when I said focus, you get him because I don't get us heard about everybody.

That's a big difference.

Get mad, you know, different mad.

I'm saying focus real fast.

I'm actually that's that's why I turn laughing to see when you say focused.

Actually, I'm actually not going to say it anything because I realized you don't.

I will, but you don't like that when you do that, I'm not gonna say now I realize you don't like it, mur I don't want to like it.

My point is, coach, can you see what you be like?

That's a hip hop nigga.

No, So what about Ouzi makes you.

Hiss a little young nigga?

You young nigga right here?

What you think right there?

Because he's black?

Okay?

So you make you know definition?

Right?

You can?

What's our definition of culture expressed through the arts and elements.

So when you see and you hear him his expression, what's his expression rock music?

It's authenticity hip hop through rock?

Oh wow, because rock that's crazy.

You work right there, that's crazy.

So you're gonna tell Peo why they can it's pressed the hip hop.

You can't express hip hop through rock.

When we're saying it's not hip hop and the genre of music is it?

You're not talking about the genre, talking about the energy.

Everything can't be a rage it's rock and roll, yes, the energy.

Now what music?

Oh wait, hold on, guys, So y'all telling me right now that there could never be anybody you know in in rock is in rock history that could have the energy of a hip hop artist or hip hop?

There's I know who, no great George Frand Dirs What do.

You mean Fred Dirsch is a rock artist that makes pop y'all as bad as the people who think.

That motherfucker tinking like he was hip hop?

Oh crazy, Yeah, man, I think it's again as a coach, it's the worship in the world.

TIR's a category, you know.

Goddamn well, Fred Dirt don't consider himself hiph You don't live a hip hop lifestyle.

Okay, he was fucking superhead, Chap.

I'm trying to be with you, but no, send these lines and lunch out Friday.

Oh we ain't stop too early.

Too early, we just stopped.

Keep it going, man, come on the super chest, Superhead.

You gotta do super I ain't knowing if you stay.

I don't know what to say.

He want hats backwards, He want to finit hats.

Wore backwards too.

Yeah, this is what's wrong with people.

Listen, listen, I just mentioned that right there.

Let me start trying right that but but but but we can't do it's just right here right.

So I think that I think that when I don't know, I think that you you went joker, feel like hip hop should only saynd one way.

No, that's what I wanted to say.

Actually, I gotta say something earlier.

I got it's not yo.

I just got to say something though, because it's like you can't reduce this opinion on this ship just a musical preference.

Because even when it comes to preferences, there's all sorts like I literally went to school for this ship, bro, like studying like what psychological elements of art make people react why they reacted.

And every single piece of art, whether it's a painting, a film, a rap verse or rap song, has all these like core elements of every piece of art that makes people like them.

You got things like balance, contrast, harmony, rhythm, emphasis, All these things are like artistic tenants, right, and you can use those as objective measures to look at a piece of art and music or losing Uzi Vert song or fred drst song, whoever, and apply to sit and see see if it cashes out.

These motherfuckers do not care about any of that.

They don't care about making shit that actually resonates with people.

They're just making shit to make people happy and to make their their their fan base consume their candy store bullshit more.

They don't.

I mean, it's it's really like, the reason why I'm so dismissive about it and it's so frustrating is because I've seen behind the curtain, me and Glasses both for twenty years, behind the curtain of this whole industry here, the whole Wizard of Oz industry, and there's just so much sucker and there's so much inauthentic sucker shit between the creation of the art and its dissemination to refflict.

That is very, very hard to even give the like to even ascribe the title of hip hop to that shit when we know that hip hop is so fundamentally authentic.

A question out the fact that we don't like the music it's about.

No, you're not even respecting like the tenets of actual art creation, not even respecting hip hop as a cult.

You're not respecting any of that shit.

And you got millions of dollars behind you, shoving garbage candy store like full with all these poisonous dyes, and ship music to the young, impressionable kids.

That's why I don't like this nigga, all right, I.

Menage your question.

Imagine question real quick.

Joking it's like hold on real quick, imagine joker hard.

Kind of started and it peaked in the nineties and it went down from there as a function of the technology and ship, so you know what I mean.

So it's more, it's more deeper than just like I don't like their music.

Like I've been thinking about why I don't like this music, why I don't like that type of ship, you know what I mean, and differentiating that from the authentic shit I was listening to Bone Thugs East nineteen ninety nine, Turner Last Night, and and a Doggy Style and Murder was the case and Ship.

Every song sounded different, every beat had different drums, had different artistic ideas, different melodies.

Everything was cohesive.

Now it's the same drum set on every fucking song.

It's some damn trap drums with the motherfuckings pie hats on everything on, not not trapped like I want to on a rock song.

Then they put that on a metal song, and then they put it's just regurgitated.

To me, hold on, let me fish part no listen, I'm gonna wrap it up.

Part of hip hop to me is authenticity, period, and none of that music is authentic.

Like that alone makes me.

Not like it.

It's not about just preference, it's about it's not authentic.

Okay, My question is this right here, because we getting away from the whole point of everything to personal genres of music.

Now, if hip hop is like you're saying, it's hip hop is the way you live and grow up, what about the people in the neighborhood that grows up in a family where one dude is a gang member listening to hip hop and the brother is listening to rock music.

But he's living the same way, going out in the same streets, hanging out with the same friends.

But he just likes to listen to rock music because I've seen that growing up, where you.

Have a family in the hood and they all do the same, grimy everything, but he just likes to listen to rock music.

I think we need to make still hip hop.

I think we need to still what.

I think we need to make a distinction between like an art or a genre or.

Member of music is an expression.

He could talk about the heart ship of living in the hood through rock music.

Remember, it's just words in real and therefore it could be rock music.

Yeah, it could be.

But is he still hip hop?

That's the problem we have here.

It's not just lifestyle.

It could be rap.

It's not hip hop.

No, but I was him, But he grew up hip hop.

He grew up in the hood, he grew up in.

This hip Hop is the expressed and culturally of that.

Authentically, that's what they're talking about.

Okay, So it's only so then, it's only it's the artistic expression of that.

Yes, authentically, you can only express hip hop through rap and R and B.

Is what you're saying.

No, I'm so listen, I'm not.

You can't express it through R and B.

You can express it through singing.

These are specific genres.

Rap is.

That's why I sat genre rock is a genre here like their genres, But there's only specific genres you can express hip hop through.

No, it's not expressed and pop.

I'm saying rap listen, but rap is the chosen is the chosen vocal delivery.

So when you make rock, rock is like a complete genre, and they do complain about the same things.

They do the same thing in R and B, like inner city blues, like like street urban culture.

Lifestyle is not exclusive to hip hop like like so yeah, you can have it in Beverty Hills and places like that.

That's trap said that.

I don't agree that.

No, I was saying, but we have to find categories.

That's the problem.

Is it an expression or is it a lifestyle?

You know what I mean?

Like we have to We're doing a lot of conflating here.

At the time, I was talking about something slightly different, a little bit more nuanced, but lifestyle.

Hold on, Kelvin, we agree, Kelvin, you can express street urban culture.

Well, you can't do it in country.

They're not gonna let you to.

Yeah you and they're like no, that's that's they demand country.

Expression.

They demand that rural expression.

So it's like, okay, so here's what's happening.

There's a desire for everything to be accessible to every human.

M hmm.

There's a desire of humans to have things, everything accessible to every human.

It don't have to be like none of it.

Like me saying little Uzzy.

Me saying little Uzy is not hip hop is not me slandering him.

It's me saying he doesn't make hip hop.

That's not what He's not a hip hop artist.

That's not saying he didn't grow up in the street urban environment.

People that grew up in the street urban environment also created jazz.

Oh got there.

I get your point.

Now you're saying he creates this kind of music, doesn't.

Doesn't say that he didn't live hip hop.

He just don't create hip hop music.

Okay, So what you're saying the artistic is what makes it hip hop?

When okay, me being a crip or a stick up kid.

Being a stick up kid is just being a stick up kid.

Yeah right, that's just all it is.

Until you artistically express the struggle that came around, that becomes hip hop.

You get get what I'm saying.

I'm starting to try to understand what you I'm trying to understand what you said tremendously.

So a stick up kid is a stick up kid, right, and then how their life is how they do, and when they start to express it, they become pop.

It fit a certain criteria, not a certain criteria because then that same person that's a stick up kid could become a rock star, because that same person that was a stick up kid could become a jazz musician.

But they should a stick up kid.

Yeah, so it's a common thing like how you live.

Don't mean you have to create hip hop.

Like Ouzi grew up in the street and he created rock.

He creates rock music.

I agree, creates rock music, but he has.

To create Yeah, let me ask you this, right all right, sir?

The first question is that right there?

Right?

Agree with that?

All right?

So when when when we were determined they say your you hear the term when they say it's nothing new under the sun.

Yes, so you agree with them that when it comes to music, yes, okay, So then so then once it once it becomes to the term of nothing and it's not in new one of the sun.

And like you want to bring something new, the next thing you could change is the sound.

You know what I'm saying, Nike, be a change of wordscause everything that I've been said and all that like that though, so now we're gonna do now is it's changed the sound and evolved the sound into another sound that could still be looked upon as being hip hop.

Though the delivery we changed the delivery trap right, okay, trap to your point, just because it's not familiar and hip hop doesn't mean it's not familiar, right, Like it's familiar in rock and roll Little Uzy, Travis Scott, their energy is familiar.

I just heard it in different genres of music.

That's it.

Like the Little Uzy shit is not completely It's not like little Uzi is creating something I never heard before.

He's just making something that doesn't exist and rap me because that ain't what he's not a product of.

That's not what he's doing.

He's not creating that thing.

He's taking what he grew up in and then creating rock music.

Corre, He's creating rock music.

It's not not a diss to him.

And right now with pop music, they're using eight O waights.

Right now in pop music, they're rapping.

Right now in pop music, they're using so many elements.

They're using so many elements that hip hop popularized through the rap genre.

That's what happens to popular the things that become popular.

It's not an oozy, dirty shout out to the aircraft carrier.

It's not not disrespecting.

Joker doesn't like him as an artist.

He said he doesn't put enough into his music.

It's direct disrespect for.

That's what I'm saying.

He said, that's because that's because Joke.

But that's because Joker is a real music It's different, like you're talking to somebody who prized himself the nigga could play the drums and rap coach like he's a real artist.

And he's looking at people that don't really you could hear in their work.

They don't take the art series exactly.

They're like brands, they're products.

Uzzi is a product of what how he looks everything like that.

Joker is a fucking phenom with making music.

So he's like bro And even though he knows Doctor Dre can't play the drums as good as him.

He can hear his desire to innovate.

He can hear when he's listening to murderers a case or doggy style, him trying to change things.

So as a physician, hold on Bro, hold on Bro.

As a musician, you can't hear.

You can't hear the creativity that that that Ozi's presenting with them being not none, not sound like nothing else stuff.

Okay, it does sound like something else, Trapp, it don't sound at all.

It just don't sound like everything in hip hop.

That's like a mid of other ship.

Hold on, Joker.

You keep saying it sound different.

It don't.

It sounds different if you compare it to hip hop.

That's your problem.

I keep telling you I can recognize what Travis doing.

I've seen that energy a million times, not in hip hop.

Okay, I think he's travels right, Travis, Yeah, ok yeah, Okay, I see where I see where, I see where you Joker coming from.

Now I get it.

I said, jokers thing is jokers thing.

Coach is more about what he's doing creatively as an artist.

Okay, I got that, and is because it ain't like I don't even dislike his music, the songs I like.

The songs I like.

I've never even consumed, you know, a body of it to be worried about if I like it or not.

Like I've heard enough of it to where I'm like, Okay, I can see what's good and what's bad.

Joker is judging from a different level.

He's like, bro, I can see they're not pursuing the greatest version of their art.

And to me, I'm like, what's the why are we?

All of this is about recorded music, the art of recording music.

This entire conversation, hip hop, rock, all this shit is it boils down to recorded fucking music.

And if that is the.

Primary commodity and they ain't taking that seriously, how to fuck am I supposed to respect them in any other capacity?

And to be fair, Lil Wayne was like the guy who started that shit, you know what I mean, he was one of the first people this that's fifteen twenty years ago, and then there's ninety other niggas who come out with little this, little that.

It's just the again, it's the inauthenticity, Like you can't make your own name, do your own thing, find your own sound.

Work for adding something to the general conversation of humanity creatively.

You know, now he's talking about the complete brand of an artist right where it's like they're doing certain things that he can think is generic.

So it's like they're building off these generic like Lil nas X.

It's a generic idea.

He can see it, and that he's being critical of their art and he's saying it lacks authenticity, let alone.

Authenticity is a big part of hip hop to him, So he's saying, fuck what I'm saying just the cultures, Like even what they doing is not a real pursuit of it.

It's built on business, it's built on their brand and everything like that.

I don't have that much of a thought of Oozy the songs.

I like the song as I don't, But I'm saying he doesn't represent street urban culture in his art, UZI represents.

He's he's pursuing a rock type of style.

And I think a big part of why, like the Joker's problem is is he's kind of in this weird place where he doesn't quite get it.

He knows it because he knows his influences, he knows what he's emulating, he knows where he's getting his energy.

From, but he's not really doing a great job at conveying it through his art.

All right, let me ask you as a question, what if Louuzi came came out and said he said pop, would you guys just think he was confused or.

I won't hear it because I'll never pay attention to Now he got a battle joker, Yeah, battle mean, let's go.

He got a battle joker to prove.

Let's go.

This is where we're at, right, any one of these niggas, let's go.

You want to prove you hip hop?

If you cardy, if you like, you got a card, get a better, Yes, all of them.

I'm the of this month.

My man is the final boss.

Uh.

If you want to be hip hop and you've been, you've been, You've been the nine.

Hip hop is rifle credit in your business, like in your movie.

Right.

I remember, UZI went to the radio station that ninety seven they put on either I want to wrap to that old bullshit talk.

It was like, what was it?

A woo time beat?

Nah?

I forgot what beat it was, but but what the name gave me an explanation of light that that far.

I don't want to hear that generation generational thing.

No pr from the homie, go ahead from the homie.

No published questions from the homeless straight up, No, no, no, I don't know.

No that was a generation no no, no, no, no, it's not is no because you know what to say.

At the same time you put on the homie, at the same time you put you put like a hip hop do it up in there.

You know what I'm saying, of degeneration and they and you put one of them beats like that on there, they gonna so they don't want to wrap on them ships though.

All right, yeah, bro, that man break dance, that man freestyle.

That man does everything that.

You can't do.

All that.

I think there's a ton of white men that could do the same, and the hip hop Asian people that can do the same.

And the hip hop no trap.

We got these two gargo, he was telling at the Gateway hip Hop.

Not let you got jug and glass like jugger goldgoy.

That's funny.

You know, BE like to consider myself, hold on, say he's ahead, whatever, I meet you right back when I can finish this dream.

Act him.

Ask him.

It was like that, I like to consider myself.

What's the guy that stands at the gate of heaven.

Is it the archangel Angel Michael or Peter, Saint Peter, Saint Peter, Saint Peter.

I'm like the Saint Peter hip hop.

I like to consider myself the same.

And that right there and that right there is my boy.

That's gonna make sure if you really want to get in, If you want to get in hip hop heaven, you got to see John point Man.

Yeah.

I want hip hop to saund one way.

We don't try to do.

The fact that you get one way is just ridiculous.

About saying one way like they sound full of ship.

That's a fact.

I carry it town.

I can tell you one way we wanted to sound wrapping and type of break turn breaks.

Her breaks really glasses glasses really ain't rapping.

It ain't rappity, pappily, ain't certain breaks.

They want certain breaks.

They want certain tempos they wanted to the BPM got to be between ninety.

And one ten.

About him about not having fun, I'm just saying I can tell her we're live though we should have done that ship.

That you're lie.

Crazy.

I want hip hop to sound one way, you know, hip hop I this too all the way from both.

No, you don't listen, bro, you listen to no hip hop that doesn't sound one all hip hop.

You listen to sounds one way.

Bro, it's one temple, one break beat.

You don't if it all right trap?

No?

Look, Hey, so you know I'm team trapping this in this debate right here, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say this one that.

Track you trap coming from you and do sound crazy after listen to your twenty No.

That's but that's my production though, that's my production for my heir.

When it comes listening to music all different type of sound of hip hop.

You know what I'm saying, I'm not in one box.

Listen, it's just one one sound of hip hop.

This is hip hop right there.

I understand that hip hop is sound any different ways.

Joker, so like they all militant, straight.

Whatever, have a connection.

Hey't send me a beat trap, I got you, I got you Junker.

I think you said I think that I got you Dunker on hip hop trap.

I don't want hip hop to sound one way.

I just understand when I'm listening to hip hop and when I'm listening to the rock, and I don't think you're innovating because you go knock off somebody else ship and you do a bad impression of it bringing it here.

I'm not impressed by that.

You know what it is?

You you you faking impressed, like, oh, they're just being different.

No they not.

They're not being different.

They're emulating something that they don't quite get with it.

Like calling Hamilton hip hop Exactly, it's like calling Hamilton, you guys know what Hamilton is, super famous Broadway show that this dude wrote that blew up and it's like, yeah, but made it is hip hop of the country, like the Constitutional background, Franklin rapping and ship, which is like the novelty of it made it blow up in the in the Broadway world.

But it blew up because of the novelty, not because it's actually hip hop.

They took elements from hip hop.

The guy's a fan of hip hop, and they just transfigure the into this, so do man, it is not hip hop, joker, not hip hop at all.

It's garbage.

It's the most corny shit.

No no, no, no, created it is he hip But they took it from one genre, combined it with some other ship and put it out.

So that's what UZI vert did.

It's not authentic hip hop or authentic rock or hip hop.

It's like a where Frank Frankenstein.

It's like a mid tier version of both of those combined being sold by the novelty alone.

But what I do like about Jack Riz.

Anybody listening to what Joker gotta say and feel disrespected by it.

I think Joker school with it.

I think he's I think he's finding hip hop not to hear this and be disrespected by what he's saying about it.

I didn't say nothing about it, Okay, I'm just like, what they gonna do.

They want to if they want to battle, my boys, my boy is here for the battle.

Let's go.

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Did Hard Target ever change his name to Casper's Pen.

For those who don't know, Jay is a classically trained musician who tormented rappers Arizona.

It's true, he really did, and he torement in them, so that's I think it's fair.

I don't think they really consider themselves hip hop.

I think trap is fighting more for them.

They're saying their rock and rage and all of the different genres of music tracking like, no, that's hip hop, because I need to act like I'm listening to something different, even though I can go listen to different genres of music.

Jackass, you're not a jackass Trap, Yes he is, because he's like.

Hip hop needs to be.

Glasses only want to listen to one tempo, even though I listened to Bone which is fucking sixty two bpm all the way to Luke, which is one hundred and twenty eight.

But thats Bro.

Stopped naming these, Bro, you gotta stop naming these like that.

I like, I like all kind of ship, but me a move.

Apple.

You're right that we're not about to let Peter and Paul over here.

Or herap because what happened is left y'all the same assholes.

When Elvis did the same thing, y'all was the same ass He's doing something different.

Office is bringing something new.

You look like look at Elvis like that don't mean McDonald.

That don't make it real food.

It's fantastic.

I get the French floating Chris and you perfect salt, the coach, the orange machine, got more caf I don't know it's fantastic, but that don't mean it's real.

It's fantastic.

You ever got a big Mac that day you hung you that fish fla in this freshure.

This motherfucker is great and it ain't real and.

Exactly and you know, g passing it when the big Mac talk come out.

Feel me.

I'm a big Mac kid.

You know we're all Americans.

I'm a big Mac.

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I was so happy to see Ray Vaughn and his freestyle on COSO and on the radar kysh not my fiet three.

Oh yeah, I didn't see that.

I didn't really see it.

You'd be looking.

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Thank you for the five dollars.

I hope everyone has a great weekend and me too, Me too.

I gotta get back to the box.

I ain't been throwing no hands or nothing you did this morning.

No, I didn't choke me out, puts me in my face.

That's all over here, acting like he didn't better.

He want in the corner and ship still hold on to the mic, won't let go of the bike.

Yeah, I would never put the accountability the kid again or somebody.

You mean something to the show.

He needs something specially.

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Wrap is something you do in exchange for commerce and clout, while hip hop is something you're born bread and live unconditionally without explanation, Like Uzzie, what did you do good?

With some examples, what you coach of?

How he was born bread and live unconditionally.

Hey, I'm about to do my hard zi Monday.

I'm coming back with all topics for you.

I'm gonna send out playlists, lists, crazy watch Oozzi plays you want to rite.

And that's the problem.

He's liking that you gotta be don't even like UZI, I'm gonna be honest with you, like music, figure out loud, just take it.

The people for people who have popped right now, and Yo, the people we're talking about who have popped to second went over hip hop about right, they are the people who worked with the current system.

They are just the ones who made it work.

It's an accident of history.

My contention is, Yo, let's figure this out, and let's let's define terms, and let's redo the system to where we can actually tap into the creative potential of it.

Like, think about for every oozy word that's on, there's there's thirty other crazy talented psycho people who are like amazing musicians, amazing who are authentic hip hop artists who just didn't ever make it because they wouldn't play the game.

They wouldn't do the ship that you gotta get, you know what I'm saying to do to get.

To that level.

And they have that kind of money behind you in this they didn't make.

They all sound the same world.

I want to see how real motherfuckers out there, not these motherfuckers.

A week.

We shouldn't be talking about these fake ass niggas.

Bro, Like you shouldn't even be a conversation.

I want to hear some real music, some real innovation, some hip hop returns.

So that's what the people want to They want to hear some real ship now some force fed candy store bullshit.

You want to hear the same music by everybody, and you want to hear that same song from everybody.

That's what you want to hear.

Uncle Max of hip hop hip hop command and then he sounded like hip hop hitler.

Something a little bit too.

I'm a little confused.

Hip hop nazi, hip hop nazi.

I don't come out a little bit.

Don't hip hop for you?

Be involved though, That's like I don't hip hop for you.

But you know what I'm saying, that's the closest he's murdered Jewish.

I can't really oh hip hop for you?

One hundred check dollars glasses.

Did you see the baby making the video about the death of the Ukin'ian girl that got stabbed by black Mo making the video about reenacting the whole story?

Discreat said it was too early for that.

For that mean he would have to been to Carlos Brown.

I's the only I would have watched it.

Who who was he in that video to you, Like, I didn't see the video because they said he was just bringing the person who staved or something like that, right or some ship like that.

I don't know what it was their passengip Listen.

I've been seeing people like I saw I ran into this this conservative rapper.

I don't know what you would call him, trapa call him hip hop because he's like whatever.

But it was like a.

Conservative Trump rapper.

He was a bag of rapper and he was he was saying, he was talking about that girl and he was saying, and they was talking about Charlie Kirk and it was like, yo, not one thing has happened since then.

I'm like, because both people that did it to them got arrested.

That's what I be aout talking about, right, like people rioted because nobody get arrested when somebody killed somebody black, Cause it take a riot to make somebody just get arrested and then they get off.

It's a bad comparison, Like you don't have to ride for what happened to that Ukrainian woman.

That man is going to prison for the rest of his life, no question.

There ain't no police he can hide behind.

They can't say well, he could have did nothing.

He's going to prison for the rest of his life.

What happened to Charlie Kirk?

They arrested that man.

That man is going to they're trying to give him the death penalty.

So what would you be rioting about.

The riot that we have is because you can kill a black person and don't go to jail for it.

We wouldn't.

There would be no riot.

If you just arrested the person, there wouldn't be no riot.

It's simple.

That's the riot.

The riot is because that person.

Even when Rodney King got wooked thirty years ago, it took them time to arrest.

They went through ship.

The riot happened after they got off.

So I keep seeing these sentiments and it just be bad comparison, like coach comparing Chris Brown and UZI or trapped comparing Chris Brown the baseline Thank you for the two dollars.

I told y'all joker cooking like an as summer day boy, and it be cooking.

Who is the MAGA Rappers?

I forgot his name playing Tom McDonald, Thom McDonald, Tom Thomas Tom is just Tom is just a business man.

I like Adam Calhoun that's probably my favorite Maga rapper.

But the other song hold on.

But about the other song, they talk about lynching the people and all that.

Ship, Like tell somebody in two thousand and seven with a Maga rapper isness but what well?

I mean it is kind of like a cool like a voice to hear.

It's not as public as it used to be, so corny you hear from Yeah, it do have a little too much business.

It do have a business deal to it, like the matter order, and he had all these make America great again, had something like like damn, you couldn't figure out anything more.

But he knew what he's see.

He didn't got the business of selling rap music.

I mean, of what rap music is?

Being biracial man, so I gotta deal with bullshit from both sides.

Bro shout out, shout off boy dre Beach, thank you for the five dollars term.

The term drill comes from the military, so Chicago will say they running drill as far as missions.

My boy Beach boy Drake in here instrument, just telling the story, so it's running drills like military like that's going to use the term op to I would imagine that makes sense.

Drake shout out to Beach boy Dre Beach, thank you for the five dollars.

Artists like Uzi, Cardi Juice World will tell you they are not hip hop.

They will say they are rock stars.

But of course trap stupid ass keep backing like they is because he just they're making something different to their Listen to their music.

Listen to the music, and it's different.

They're bringing something different.

No, they fucking not there.

It was a whole generation of rappers that was calling them some rock stars, the rock stars, right, all them rockstar.

Was then, right?

What you telling men?

He got a saxophone and he's playing music and Ship trying like he bringing something different.

I bet you thought the Flute album was something different.

He was like he was a hip hop.

That wasn't hip hop.

That wasn't hip hop.

That wasn't nothing about that about that hip hop.

We ain't about to do that about that hip hop.

It sounds you could slip it adn't even.

Go under the genre of hip hop.

Bro, I'm talking about it.

I listened to it here.

Ship That ship was terrible?

Was it bad?

I didn't see it?

No bad because I never listened to another food album to compare it.

To I didn't like the references.

Yeah, you know what I mean.

I think I think that ship was straight free style one music.

You know, I went in thinking Ron Burd and I didn't get that.

But if he doubles back with another flute album and he's starting getting loose on solos, I don't know.

I might be fucking with that.

Andre Brown, you gotta get nice at it.

But a lot of music it's like on rainy night and probably sleep twelve hours.

Next I don't want to hear.

Best was Joga Music.

Shout out to Control Art, Control Out Delusions, thank you for the few dollars.

Cardi B and her album are not hip hop either.

Yeah, yeah, we're about today about we ain't about to do that.

We ain't about to do that.

We ain't about to do that.

Cardi Out on Fire, thank you.

That Shout out to Meeka Red, thank you for the ten dollars for Meta Musu to help stay normal from from Wednesday.

Back.

That's funny.

I like that's funny.

Shout out to j Wade, Thank you for the two dollars.

Trop Brothers just one of the best episodes you would think, of course, trapped you to do some dead friend, you put some white behind my head or something.

White man, I look white as ship, but like to drink out.

They just got to live with him and shout out the baseline, thank you for two dollars.

Jay back there right the disc for Coach King and Trap right now.

I made the beef for it.

I make the beat for it.

We are defending Heaven from all foreign invaders.

Some of y'all gotta go to hip hop.

Hell man, y'all not with it with it?

We have hip hop for your Trap is gonna let anybody in.

Hey, I can see glasses with a little Hitler mustache too.

Can I be the hip hop Hitler?

No, I don't think.

No, no, no, you can't know.

You can't.

Bro.

No, I'm gonna walk him into the gas doing that.

We're not doing that.

No, No, I don't think.

Welcome that lead that ship to Kanye.

Kanye, don't don't, don't don't touch that.

It was okay to think about it.

I said, thought, could I do that?

I don't know.

PG Trapp, Yeah, I don't think I could walk other rappers acting like the hip hop into that.

I'm trying to make it to the next bro I could do it.

Just want to keep you at the gate and I got you just shield.

That's how I would like to do.

If trap can't get into hip hop, heave and then nobody can get in there.

Come on.

He keeps trying to bring people in.

No yeah, yelling stops that honey, yo black honey right there, that's where it stops, saying, let me everybody else, get sybody, get me that black holture top, that pink holster, that guy, that pink holster top.

He with me no track, dealing with the blonde to dealing with the blonde dreads and stop right there and after that right there and let them all in all the best room.

Come on, be into the craft yep, DP, Come on right now, he right there, be there right now.

You know, right now he slapped me glass.

He tipping me one hundred dollars for keeping niggas out there looking out glasses.

Tipped me right now, hey, Pete coming over my shoulder, putting one hundred dollars in my good jobs.

He keep the most sucker hass niggas about you go to the R and B show.

What y'all not listen.

Chris Brown is a different conversation altogether.

I would have to really take time to think about that because Chris Brown definitely is one of the most talented people I know, so I don't quite know what's authentic.

He's gonna have oozzi with born and sh.

Chris Brown is like dope enough he could do a rock song right now and it'll be a big rock song.

Chris Brown dope enough to do a country song.

And he is one of those people that's like he like like he can morph into anything, like all the way.

Chris Brown is talking to me about Gang Bangy, and he sounded like a nigga I grew up with and compting my whole life.

He was like on fruit thighs food, I'm fool fruth thighs.

That's you know, say on fruth thighs.

He's like on fruit thohs, Gee, I don't funk that old bitch, that nigga Pa blood bompa.

First off, he was saying bompted, but he wasn't saying bompting, you know, like the average person be like on Pyru like they pronounced the eye.

He knew not to even pronounce the iye.

He was like on Pa blood what the fuck is going on?

So Chris Brown might be like one of them niggas has everything.

He's a day walker.

Yeah, he like everything at once.

I don't know.

I can't really, I'm just being honest, Like.

Chris is, are y'all gonna let him in the hip hop gates.

Chris showed up here, I probably would.

They kind of smell thank you many kind of smell kind him is Chris Brown is all this ship authentically weirdly thank you.

I really think he's a real power rule.

He squabbowed you down.

I'm like, you know, to say to Chris, like whatever, bro, you want to come here on all the clubs and all the club welcome Chris, give.

Me a drink.

I see uh G and Jokers because it's hard.

How do we say about somebody me and Joker.

One thing we're gonna agree with is somebody ridiculously talented and dope, he know Chris, Like we gonna look at Chris like this, my fucking just this motherfucker be flipping and it's like, you.

Know, Chris Brown is the most talented man in the world.

That he didn't melt to they arts, he didn't let it, and I got into Gate.

He was like fifteen, bro.

It's like he had me at He had me at Heyo, like the third single, you had me at Heyo.

Like.

I was like, this guy right here, I'll be stuck with him for a long time, you know.

He he got into Arihn.

I didn't care.

I was like whatever.

Like however, all y'all jumped up, I was still like, well.

You know whatever, that's my last thing.

I got to know.

You're gonna let Kanye.

Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna talk ship to him though, I'm like, just s see what was gonna go with that?

I'm gonna talk ship to him, Like, man, why are you saying all this dumb ass ship?

Bro?

I'm just trying to now how many we need to talk before you go up in here?

Me and him have to talk, but he it's Kanye, Bro, Like you stuck with that.

What if when y'all talked this nigga was just going on with Kanye ship though, you'd be like, no.

I'm gonna fight.

Black guy.

I'll be working front door, fucked up.

Probably, I still want to fight Kanye.

Man.

I hate niggas.

That's that that high up there.

We got to get that happening.

Somebody got to get that.

Shout out to Miss Hummus, thank you for the five dollars.

Miss Hummys all dead here.

I was always thought that hip hop has four elements m seeing, DJing, breaking and graffiti thoughts it does and knowledge trap two days ago.

He's gotta remember the gods.

Remember the gods is the ones who was there?

Now us come from the guards.

Yeah, yeah, but it's the elements of street expressed, street agricultures.

It's those things expressed.

You express them through those things.

So it's not just those things, it's those things with the way the behavior is that the cultural I'm trying to give it to you the best way I can.

You have to You can't just be m seeing about tray.

I think you could be a doctor and you rapping about having surgeries on the pace you like, that's hip hop.

Rather again, trap, do not think that.

And then when you leave it, and then when you leave the doctor's offense, you're throwing your sneakers untied.

On raising it.

Don't matter where he's wanting.

You know, people, everybody in the ghetto ain't the same.

Everybody in Inglewood did not wear Chucks or courtels.

We wouldn't wear chucks in egingorhood man.

What you talking about?

I know you had too much money.

That's why we make for y'all rich ass nigg checks cheek, twelve dollars shoot shout out to Nick, Thank you for the five dollars.

Salute gin the lust table, whiz Yes, sir, control out the losers.

Two dollars gone the back and glasses.

Thank you my man joker joke for two wards.

Make sure y'all look him up.

Fearless Kevin Ali, thank you for the five dollars.

Just because you rapping, don't make it hip hop.

All rapping sonically hip hop.

A boundary needs to be established, me and my boy doing it.

Trap is slipping, trap letting every body.

What is I don't think trap letting everybody everybody in.

All they gotta do is be black and rap.

Don't even nobody, not true, nobody with little in their name get up.

It's different because he was one of the original little Yes, what I'm saying like we can't he can't throw him in the count like he's talking about all the little sense little I'm talking about.

You know exactly what everybody, It's just it's everybody's trying to be people that are even little, well they are people, even little calling himself little.

The town is average size.

Mss hummus.

Thank you for the five dollars.

I feel like if you don't have bars, punchline storytelling, they can't freest down site.

You ain't hip hop.

In my opinion, that's stringy.

A lot of people.

Shout out to Jeremy Money, Thank you for the two dollars.

Shout out to g Mama, Thank you for the twenty dollars sticker.

I hope you really like it.

I enjoyed the lunch table today.

Have a blessed weekend, you too, enjoy true shout out to Kevin, thank you, hey, thanks keV Man, I really appreciate today.

Thank you man for all of the super chests.

Thank y'all all the people that do the super chests that make this thing go further and further and further.

We're finn to invest way more money into it to really take it to another level and bring y'all some really great conversations with great people.

I'm not even about to be doing like interview.

We really we don't have an interview portion on this thing, but we really are about to start having people come in and have some great conversations.

I got a question for you, glasses, sure.

Because I don't you know rap or play music, DJ or do any of those things.

I'm not hip hop.

You're a funk kid?

What the fuck?

Like?

No?

How did I call him?

Called him a funk kid?

Yeah, he grew up on funk, funk and all that.

Old flysh was right before the hip hop.

So it was his choice to be hip hop.

He chose if he is like me, like our age.

We didn't have a choice.

It was trapped like your age.

Express it though, to be here pop do that, to express it through music and all that, to be hip hop.

Since I come from a.

Street urban a hip hop artist, to be a hip hop artist, okay, but you know, if you can still be hip hop and not express it, okay, just not a hip hop artist.

Okay, that's what the hip hop artist is what we're talking about.

Okay, Kevin I Y, thank you for the five dollars.

If you're not standing for nothing in your wraps, giving a real authentic perspective, or if you're not a lyricist, then you're not hip hop.

Ooh now I don't want Kevin at the frogate it's gonna get bad.

Yeah me ya ain't.

None of y'all get me.

Soud to Kevin Iley, thank you for the twenty dollars man, Thank you, Cad for real, bro, I appreciate that.

I just want to support when I'm rich and famous and I'll send more.

Cav thank you for everything.

Natasha who always doing it, anybody who always do it.

We really appreciate that.

Sith to k Wait, thank you for five hours man k Wait every show too, Thank you, Hammy straight appreciate.

To Trap's point, the ATL group Shop Boys made a song called Already Like a rock Star, and they were called hip hop during the Snap era.

Not even disagreeing, but they didn't call themselves rockstar.

That's why they used the word.

Like that whole futuristic the whole futuristic way was like that.

Though I'm not I agree like a rock star.

Damn.

That has made a good point.

Track a rock star, Yes, because I'm a rock you know rock slapped him back down, know you with the niggas, you with them black folks over there, they.

Walked out a little Wayne show, try to like he tried to.

If you don't pick up a microphan out of there.

Black rock stars, about the job man, about Travis and Uzi, because they really have been fighting.

The industry has been fighting us gaining control of rock music.

They will not finance black rock like that.

So I respect people like Uzzi, people like Travis who figured out ways to become rock stars without it being so obvious, so they can avoid people pushing back on what they doing.

That's what I think now, how smart they were, it's different, but that's what I do appreciate about what they're doing.

Shut out to Fats, thank you for the two dollars.

Fats going to hip Hop Heaven.

Love to the panel that part, Fats, I'll make sure you're in there and you get grill.

You got a section.

Fats set out to Miss Hummis, thank you again for the U for the super chat, Miss Hummerys five dollars.

We need a differentiation.

We need a differentiation between hip hop music and hip hop culture, two different things.

We call it rap music in hip hop and culture.

So yeah, it's it's look exactly y'a too.

When when Lil Wayne tried to make a rock album Joker, you know what they said, get your ass out of here.

Boy, get your ass out of here.

Get your ass out of here.

That's what they said, ye get your ass out of here, coach.

But you know what they didn't do.

They'd be like, well, you know what he I mean, he do like play the guitar.

I mean he did grow up listening.

Yet they didn't do what y'all did with none of that stuff.

They understood.

You know what happened with Beyonce tried to make a countryb you know what country did.

Yeah, they were talking reckless.

No, they didn't care.

She grew up in a rural Harry in text Wars.

They did not care she was country who he grew up in Philly?

You know, so yeah, they she grew up in country.

You know what they said, have y'all get your ass out of here.

That is not no motherfuck country album.

That's what they told her.

They didn't care.

She grew up country as fuck and Beyonce country.

So as a person who listened to the country and semi I like it, h y'all say, album was not When you listened to that shit though, it did not feel country and also like.

That yeah, and then also like so you hear Oozi you that feel.

He'll the culture of some of these who that's the same things, like the culture of country.

Every body knows she didn't come up doing doing a million little gigs and ship a little bars in Nashville, trying to earn away for ten years, like most country stars.

So they just they don't respect it.

I think they're just kind of stepping in there and using the you know what I mean, using using the cloud to try to make some money in a different genre.

That's a little I get it.

I see why it'd be like.

That'd be like if somebody just with the underground rap shit.

Somebody comes into underground rap.

They've been mainstream their whole life and they come down to underground and just try to do the ship that we all been through and act like they've been through.

It's not you know what I mean, it's not the same thing.

It's like, you have to earn your respecting in the respective and the respective feels and cultures or genres, just like anybody else.

So whenever you jump genres without bringing that respect and that reverence, you're always gonna get a pushback.

And let me recant to my statement.

I love I love Beyonce too, totally what I want to say, that's country, that's country, Beyonce.

I'm sorry, but but do you do you respect them country boy?

No, sir, no, I don't respect them.

You can about respect me and Joker exactly because I respect them country boy be like noo, countries like them, like No, you got to at least do three or forties.

You need to come through some of these clubs.

These we need to see it.

Yep, that's what they totally live live it, like Nigga.

If I ever did a country album, which I probably will do at some point, I would literally go to Nashville and start from the you know what I mean.

I play guitar and thing to handle it.

It'd be great.

Yeah, I say, the greatest country album of all time?

No?

Hell, what was the second greatest country album?

Second came out?

When that comes.

Look, I'm telling y'all the thing is, I don't I don't want to have to be the gatekeeper for the hip hop.

I just realized I don't have a choice because nobody else is gonna gate keeper pop.

What are you gonna goddamn do it?

Nobody love it enough.

That's the thing.

They don't care enough.

They're distracted by the bullshit, focused on the wrong They want to be friends they like.

But it's logically inflatious though, because the authenticity is what made it big enough to be able to get on everybody's radar and become people's favorite ships.

So they're they're like taking the things that made them love it and then going against them.

But they're still trying to write for the culture.

That's the problems.

Like King, can you from a place that made grunge rap grunge rock?

What if somebody else tried to come up with grunge rock and he was like, Nah, this is we do grunge rock here.

King cares really don't give a fuck.

You're not gonna fiell if somebody's like, I'm better than Nirvana.

Well yeah, but King don't do it himself even if he came up on it.

You don't have a connection to that that that culture.

Who my favorite group of all time?

I love Fights.

That's grows Drummer too from the Bruce Lee.

Bruce Lens from Washington.

Yeah, man Seattle up in there doing this thing.

Yeah he buried up.

Wow, Bruce Lee's.

Yeah that's new And I did not know you know, no, I get more.

I would probably give more if they downed, you know, just say there's this better.

What if they said yeah like UZI did where like they played in Nirvana track, they like, man took that ship off.

Well he can't be playing somebody else's playing, said up.

He was supposed to freestyle.

He was at the radio station Classic hip Hop and he was like they was like, man, I don't want to wrap to this old bulls ship.

I don't care.

He did, and it's not a shot Like I'm not as hard as Joker.

Joker is way more musically, not more, and he's more musically talented.

He's a real musician.

I'm a record guy.

I'm not a musician guy like Joker, where he could hear the hats if they just signed to kick, if they the same, I can barely hear that.

But when it comes to a record, that's all I really care about.

So somebody like Uzzie really all I really know.

I mean, I've I've went through is cattle off to check it and I was like, oh, I get this rock, like I knew the energy.

It's just not good rock the time it is good rock.

It's crazy.

I've seen that down to earth, Bro, I seen that they hate when brothers connect.

They don't get that hip hop bring brothers together, you know what I mean, Like, they don't get it, so they're gonna hate that it connects and ship.

But also it's a lot of people that's upset because they feel like us saying somebody's not hip hop is a slight to them.

You know what I mean about In Living Color, when they that rock group, black white group back in the day.

I didn't listen to rock like that.

They was old.

I didn't listen to no rock.

Bro.

Yeah, all the personality with the song they have.

I have never really listened to rock till I was an adult into the music business.

Oh do you dove back in the history and that's how you got into it.

That's how I started understanding how important LA was in the rock and roll saying groups like Metallicauns and Roses, Oh, that's Queen probably would be my favorite at this.

Once you did that, did you did you have a different respect for music once you did that?

Did you have different respect for LA music once you did that?

Well, all of this stuff gave me more of a respect for everything.

Like a person like Joker like Joker.

I just thought he was dope.

Then the more I got into music, I was like, oh damn, this dude is really though.

He could do this and that, or like anybody like a Doctor Dre, like Doctor Dre and Snoop or just niggas around the way that made songs didn't matter how famous.

I didn't see him like that until I start learning what it is they representing what they have to do.

But going into rock music and stuff made you feel that way about hip hop.

Yeah, it definitely makes me respect musicians more.

It also made me realize how bad hip hop was as music.

Okay, man of what the lack of musicians maybe yeah, because it's not it is a kind of a thrown together thing, Like it's supposed to be people fighting, you know what I'm saying, Like it's supposed to be the have not figuring out how to still make a record.

Like the more studying I've been doing, like I always give Trap and everybody from New York, shit, no we can't hear you Trap.

If you're talking, where is Trapped?

In the check you vanished?

And it's like, where the fuck is Trap?

Like like I always give Trapping and Ship about They don't really appreciate Sylvia Robinson, you know what I mean.

They don't really appreciate Larry Smith, they don't really appreciate the era.

To me, pre mally mal but pre but Molly Maul was special because he's kind of the first producer that start making something out of nothing.

The sample game, you know what I mean, And that became a big deal, you know what I'm saying, And I get it, and I realized the same thing happened on the West.

Like I've been writing this idea out for like a dot on on on West Coast hip hop pre n w A and you can hear the fucking disco and how morphed into this electro sound.

But man, when Doctor Drake came with n w A and they started figuring out how to make nothing out of something with those break beats, it shaped everything.

And then that person became this token centerpiece.

So we did the same thing, I guess to the point.

But now then listen to no rock music growing up.

I don't listen to pop music.

Growing up, I don't listen to nothing else but hip hop.

See, growing up, we didn't have hip when the first you know, it wasn't no, hip hop was no rap When I was young, you was blessed enough to see all that musician just real musicians, black news period, you know, real music.

Well, but I watched the hip hop era come in and like you say, it came in, you know with the least and stealing because they were stealing people's beats and rapping on them.

What I mean, oh what sappling.

One thing is all music does that, you know what I'm saying.

That's why I never fits though it fits the narrative.

You know, the big music does that.

So that's why I'm not hard on hip hop.

That's the thing studying music taught me is all music does that.

Ray charles first hit record, he stole something from niggas making songs about God and made some old nasty shit about some ladies.

Ray Charles's first hit record is like that, you know what I mean.

So I'm not hard on hip hop for that.

Yeah, but that's hip hop though, But that's the real hip hop.

Back in the days when it started, niggas was rapping over other people.

Thank you, thank you for reminding me.

Shout out to Miss Hummys, thank you for the fire dollars.

Miss hummys, why do you think old heads with a platform or not defending hip hop is still scared to speak out against Drake and others?

Who'll finish with this?

I think people are afraid to be canceled.

Yeah, I think they're.

Old heads are afraid that they still trying to hold on, and they're scared that if they say the wrong thing, they're going to get canceled by this young group.

Yeah.

I think so too.

I just think it's fear.

Shout out to Chris Mullin.

Hip hop be taking old songs and not giving credit, though so do so do pop music.

So you think Ray Charles gave credit to uh to that song?

Must be Jesus when he didn't when he made I Got a Woman, he didn't give credit.

Musicians been doing that for a long time, for a long time.

All Right, we're gonna get up out of here.

I think they just scared, Queen, That's what I think.

I think they scared.

I think they trying to preserve a relationship and possibilities, so they don't want to do that.

And I think it's a little disdain for the West Coast.

I think that's what it is too.

I ain't gonna even lie.

No sellers lie to lunch hour every Monday, Wednesday and Friday right here.

No sellers by glasses alone YouTube page.

Thank y'all for being here.

Thank you, my man joker.

We need to get the likes up a little bit.

Can't give us a counter ten right now.

If you're on YouTube ten second count, get that like button one thousand and one, one thousand and two, like button one thousand and.

Three, like but one thousand and four, the like button please, one thousand and five, the like button place in one thousand and six, like one thousand and seven, like buddon one thousand and eight, like one thousand the like but bingo that part.

So yeah, yeah, they just scared.

But it's all good because I'm not scared.

So you got one o G that's popping it and I'm on everything.

But you're not considered the old head, are you?

Hell?

Yeah, I'm the best old nigga.

Is okay, niggas, He's not the old headuntil you start talking.

Start talking.

I'm not one of these niggas that's trying to be young with these young punks.

I'm old head.

Young fus young street punks.

Slap on these young street punks upside the head.

I'm not trying to be young.

I'm not trying to hang on to none of that ship.

I'm the ol G that you need.

I'm like Rodney kicking over them looke, I'm all these fake hip hop dudes.

I'm kicking over the forts.

They little forts in the living room.

This man sounds like showing up in head make kissed the way.

Chucks don't do so nothing like that.

You know me all right in here and so for for hip hop, Saint Peter, for the archangel, Michael, here pop my man coach.

Trap.

We out here, man, We'll see y'all Monday.

The trap before weace.

I don't know what's wrong with Trapp, right.

I become trapped when you pointed at me and called me trap.

Trap.

You there was in the chat finished trap.

Your mic is muted if you're not there, yo, yo, yo.

The oh you're just a voice in the cloud.

That's kind of yeah, that's kind of just like a voice in the cloud.

Yeah, well the clouds in the clouds.

Anything right there, cloud, well the cloud right there, put the right by, put the right by, joker back there.

Put it right over joker head right there.

I mean this right here is hip hop.

Heaven's whole concept is dope.

That's fine.

I like that.

So again, one more time for the lunch.

I'll we'll see y'all Monday.

No, same place, same time.

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