Hi, everyone, it's Sophia.

Welcome to work in progress.

Welcome to this week's work in progress.

Friends.

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This is a pretty wild time in the news, certainly at home in the States, around the world.

The amount of information we're being met with is hard to digest and certainly hard to emotionally handle at times.

And when I feel that way, one of the things that gives me the most hope and makes me feel the most centered is to turn to journalists that I trust in.

One of the journalists I trust most in the landscape is Kristen Welker.

At a time like this, when trust in institutions is incredibly fragile, and let's be frank, the truth itself is often contested, the role of our press has rarely felt more consequential or more scrutinized.

And leading that conversation with an incredible ability to balance truth telling in a deep and empathetic way and incredible amounts of historical context and unbelievable access that she has earned through many years in this business creating incredible relationships is Kristin Welker.

She is only the second woman to moderate Meet the Press.

She is the first journalist of color to moderate Meet the Press, she is carrying its legacy into a new era and designing its future in real time.

Her career has been built on incredible preparation, very impressive restraint, and what is clearly a deep belief in journalism as a public service.

From watching the evening news as a little girl in Philadelphia to reporting from the White House across three administrations, Kristin Welker has focused on fairness and accuracy, and now as the moderator of Meet the Press, she has taken the show to number one, helping the country make sense of power.

And the stakes couldn't be higher right now, So let's get some intel and a little hope from Kristen Welker.

Hello, how are you?

Hi?

I'm good.

How are you?

I'm great?

Thank you so much for having me.

This is such an honor and I'm.

Such a big fan of yours and your work, and so what an absolute honor to be able to sit down and have this conversation with you.

Thank you for well, it's so thrilling for me.

You know, my day job is technically being an actor, but I went to journalism school and it really has informed every aspect of my life and activism and advocacy and all of it.

And so when I get to sit down with journalists, it's like, you know, some people want to meet rock stars, and I'm like, can I come see you at work?

Well, that it's incredible, and I love that you went to journalism school, and I had read that even more excited for this conversation.

I think it's fantastic that you are so passionate and have so many interests, and you happen to be a great actress as well.

Thank you.

I really appreciate it.

And I'm giggling because I realized I'm assuming, well, I'm guessing about your day.

I'm actually filming a movie in South Africa, and so I was like running through the parking lot trying to avoid the rainstorm that's now beginning outside to get in here.

So you could, you know, be interviewed by a person who didn't look like a drown rat.

And I made it.

So we're really we're doing it.

I'm I'm impressed that you're filming a movie and you also are still do amazing.

Yeah, yeah, we figure it out.

I will say that time change is actually kind of helping, because after I'm done working here, I can tap into your morning.

So it's great.

That's great.

Will worked out perfectly.

Oh, I'm thrilled.

So let's begin.

I'm always so excited to sit down with people who have incredible careers or what I believe to be amazing points of view about the world.

And I want to ask you so many things about the world today, because it's an insane place to live.

But before I dive into your smarts and your career and your resume, which I couldn't have read to my audience in the world's longest intro and still gotten through.

You're such a singularly impressive woman and journalist and advocate and mom and all the things.

Thank you, well, thank.

I mean no, thank you.

But I'm always really curious what life was like for you before people knew you, before you knew that people would know you.

And I especially like to ask this question of parents, because I think we carry younger versions of ourselves in us.

But when you see younger versions of yourself in your kid or your kids, yes, that's a trip.

And I wonder if you could interact with little Kristen at eight or nine as the woman you are today, if you would have that kind of catch your breath moment of oh my god, you've always been like this.

I see myself in you.

Are there things you think have stayed the same about you since childhood?

I love that question.

It's so fantastic, and I absolutely I grew up in Philadelphia, which is the birthplace of our democracy.

I happened to be watching the Ken Burns documentary on the American Revolution, which is incredible, right, It's so good, so good, and I'm reminded of what Philadelphia is and what it means and the place that it holds in our history as I watched this, And so growing up in Philadelphia, I grew up in a neighborhood called Fairmount.

It was a couple of blocks from the Art Museum.

You know, We're Rocky ran up the steps that famous scene, and that was sort of the backdrop to my childhood.

And my parents were incredibly and then I still have them with me, which is such a blessing.

But when I was growing up, they were incredibly politically engaged.

So we would have coffee clatches at our house for politicians and was just always the backdrop to my life.

In addition to that, my mom was a member of like every women's group in Philadelphia.

So she would bring me to these luncheons with her, and I would hear from these amazing, inspiring women who were breaking barriers, who had set goals for themselves and accomplish what they put their minds to.

And in addition to that, I think my parents thought it was really important that I had appreciation of where I came from.

My mom's African American, my dad's vacation.

So in addition to all of her women's groups, she would take me to events that honored African Americans their contributions to Philadelphia.

Mlkday was always a really big day in my household, and my mom would take me to like the big city lunch And I remember I met Rosa Parks one year.

Yes, it is a moment I will never forget.

And that feeling of meeting someone who is so powerful, who changed the world in which she lived, who played a big.

Role in that, and just the inspiration.

That I got from all of that, I think is part of what I have brought to bear to this role as an adult.

And I think part of my passion.

For politics, covering politics, trying to understand our political world comes from that backdrop, and from the fact that my mom actually ran for city council when I was growing Yes.

I was going to ask you about this.

So I got to so cool that world with a front row seat, and I got to.

Experience what it was like to actually be a part of a political campaign.

I was a kid at the time.

I was in high school for the first time she ran, but I got to really I went to fence with her, I listened to her speeches, and I started to really develop a bug for politics and the power of it in importance of it.

Some of the journalists.

Covering my mom thought that and wanted to ask her about being married to my dad as a political issue, like was that somehow a betrayal.

Of her race?

I mean, this is Philadelphia in the nineteen nineties.

And so she actually got asked about this by some radio talk shows, and I remember at the time feeling personally offended.

Why would they ask her these questions?

And my mom said, look like they're asking these questions.

These are probably questions that some voters have.

They're tough questions, you know, they're very personal questions.

But at the same time, she felt like she had a responsibility to answer those questions, and she did, and I really beect her for that.

And I respect her for teaching me that lesson at the time.

But it also I think taught me the importance of approaching journalism with a sense of civic duty, holding people to but also compassion.

Who are you talking to, what is their story, and making sure that you're bringing that to bear in every conversation.

So those are the seeds of who I am now as an adult, and I certainly when I look back and who I was as a kid, I can see those parallels.

Yeah.

Well, and it strikes me what an amazing way to grow up.

Where you know, we hear about in writing or we see in certain movies these depictions of oh, back then, the great authors, you know, the Hemingways or the Josephine Bakers who had these salons in New York or Paris, or you know, places where people were gathering for art.

But there is art to community organizing.

Yeah.

I actually think part of the reason we're in such a political mess right now is the art was taken, the storytelling was kind of taken from politics and it became alls goal sort of business win it at a cost, and it's incredible to me to think about how, as a young woman you were raised in these rooms with circles of women talking about how they were going to build change, talking about the truth.

Frankly, and I try to say this to you know, young people, to my audiences.

Every single thing that is personal to you is political, and every single thing that you experience in your personal life is the result.

Of a policy.

Politics is everywhere.

It's like the air we breathe, and people don't quite realize it.

And so you grew up in this artistic community of women building a future, and then you watched your mom run for office at a time where that was deeply uncommon.

I mean, when you think about you know, you're talking about the nineties, when you think about the fact that and I believe I have my numbers right, but they could be reversed because I'm you know, I gently do that in my brain, and sometimes I believe it was.

I believe it was.

Nineteen ninety three was the first year a woman was included in a clinical study of any kind.

Everything was always studied on men, and it was either nineteen ninety one or also nineteen ninety three for the very first time that women could wear pants on the Senate floor like it.

I think people forget that it's been essentially a blip on the radar that we've had, even this generation's shaky version of equality which is being eroded.

How was it to be a teenager to be cognizant enough, to be far enough into social studies and the history and all of those things, and to watch your mom fighting to be able to take her place on that kind of mantle.

Well, you actually touch on a really important point which is part of the criticism of her.

And I think the frush with her campaign that she faced was the fact that she was challenging this very powerful male member Council, John Street, and he would go on to be mayor, by the way, and he did win that race, but that was part of what she was up against.

Yeah, And I remember the incredible pride I felt in her for taking that on, and my dad took.

It on with her.

I mean, he was right with her every step of the way.

So I was so proud of both of them.

But it was uphill and I was very cognizant of that.

That was a big theme in the campaign.

How dare you, as a woman challenge this very powerful man.

This was his right to go on to hold this.

Seat, and that was part of the framing of some of the coverage at that time too.

I think it speaks to you.

And it was an early lesson about how important reporting and good reporting and accurate reporting is.

Yeah, because if you are.

Only building upon those false narratives that somehow a woman doesn't have the right to challenge a man in that space, then.

That's actually a disservice to.

The people that you are reporting for the public and public perception.

And so I think it was a really early lesson to me about first of all, just how brave my mom has been throughout the course of her life and how much.

She's gapiration to me.

But again the importance of making sure that these stories are covered accurately.

And you talk about this moment that we're in, and I think, and I'll add one point to all the great points that you made.

I think one of the challenges that we have right now when we think about how divided we are, is that our media ecosystem is so divided.

And I spoke to Doris Kurun's Goodwin, who's also a historian.

I'm sure you're familiar with another legend legend, but she talks about this as the fact that she says, our.

Media ecosystem is almost as divided as it was during the Civil War.

I mean, think about that people are going to different places.

You think about all of the different things that are being spread on the Internet, and that diffuses I think the public's shared understanding of a set of facts.

And that's part of what I think the challenge of this moment is too.

And I think back to my childhood and how in some ways that was a very early preparation for this moment, which is very challenging.

Think our job as journalists is to help people break through the disinformation, the misinformation that's online and really help them understand, you know, to sort through what is fact from what is not fact.

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I wonder how difficult it must be, because as a journalist, there are things you might say at your dinner table to your best friends that you cannot say on social media, on the nightly news, on your Sunday show.

You know, you are required in certain ways to bite your tongue and in other ways.

Your whole job is to try to really cut to the quick of what is true.

And I think about it, for all of you, how frustrating it must be to try to set a high bar for the way you conduct yourself and then to see another big news network.

I'll say it.

You don't have to Fox News go to court repeatedly and defend the lies they tell on television to people by saying, we are not a sober news program.

We are an entertainment program.

You know, these are quotes from lawsuits, from court defenses.

And I go, but if half the countries getting their news from people that are willing to lie for the rage bait that results in the viewers, that result in the money, how are we ever going to tamp down that polarization that, as you mention, is at a kind of pre Civil war level.

And it frightens me on that macro scale.

I see it when you talk about your mom's journey.

Immediately my brain remembered back in nineteen ninety two when Hillary Clinton was the first Lady and was literally fighting for universal child healthcare.

She said, I'm a mom.

I want all children to have the kind of healthcare my kid gets to have.

Because we're in the White House, that should just be obvious in the richest country in the world.

And people went after her and said, who do you think you are to do this?

And she remember the infamous joke, what do you want me to do?

Bake cookies?

Right?

And then suddenly she was shaming mothers and she was like, I do bake cookies.

I'm just saying, if I have this opportunity, I'm supposed to have a cause is the first lady.

And I've never forgotten that they lambassaded her for trying to take care of other people's children the way her child would.

Be taken care of.

And that was really, when you think about it, a symptom of news doing the thing that you mentioned.

It did to your mom too, So you saw it from such an early age, you obviously see how much of a fever pitch it's gotten to.

Now, how do you go into your office and figure out how to lead and also attempt to bring the frenzy down for your viewers.

That feels like a big job for one person.

It is.

It's monumental.

And I will say a couple of things.

I mean, I spent ten years in local news before I got to the network, which was Oh my goodness, maybe fifteen years ago.

Now I'm really dating myself.

But this has been my life's work.

It's really how my brain is wired.

And I am so and this sounds cheesy maybe, but I really mean this.

It's so important that whether I'm reporting in Philadelphia is a local reporter where I spent five years by the way, which was great, or at the network at the White House, or on Meet the Press, that.

I am making sure I'm including a.

Wide range of voices, that I'm doing so in a way that people across the political spectrum can hear the conversation.

That is so important right now.

It's what we strive to do every weekend un Meet the Press, and it's not easy because we're so divided.

But I'm so deeply dedicated to the goal because I say it's a goal, because sometimes we don't always get it a thousand percent right, which we try to making sure that these conversations are tough, are filled with fact checks where needed, are able to account, but again where people across the political spectrum can hear them, can learn from them, can.

Listen to them.

Because if we are alienating part of our viewers, part of our listeners, then we're not helping in this moment.

I really think the media has a responsibility to find a way to help bring people together to the extent possible in these really hard.

Conversations that we're having as a country.

I mean, and I know we're we get to this, but what is happening right now in Minneapolis.

I think it is a new challenge in many ways.

It feels like an inflection point in a lot of different ways, and in this moment when I think it's so critical that our coverage is sober and fact based, yea, there and tough and invites a range of different voices in so that we're making sure that we're covering the story from every angle, but to make sure that everyone across this country feels like they're.

Invited to the table.

Right people feel like they can't sit at the table and listen to the conversation, then we're only deepening the divide.

And that's how I see my role as a journalist.

That's what I strive for.

And again it sounds it's just so fundamental to journalism.

Yeah, Well, I also think there's something so interesting about you and the way that you work because it's something I've been thinking about, especially over the last few years, and for our friends at home.

You went to Harvard to study American history, Yes, and I think about the things you were aware of early because of the way you grew up.

I think about the things you watched because your mom ran for office.

The things you really deepened your knowledge about in terms of our country are patterns, global patterns at UNI.

And one of the things I have found to be the most impactful when people are in this identity debate rather than a debate about facts, is to contextualize things in terms of history, in terms of lessons we've learned, in terms of times we weren't willing to learn a lesson, and then did things everyone can agree on because they happened one hundred years ago, fifty years ago, twenty years ago, and say it's happening now.

Do you feel like your expertise about our history informs the way you cover breaking news today?

It's a great question.

Absolutely.

Everything I do, I think is with a toward where we have been as a country.

And again, this is so deeply infused in who I was as a child and where we are now and the possibilities that we have and I just had the opportunity to sit down with Ken Burns and talk to him about his documentary actually, and he talks about the fact that if the framers of the Constitution, if the people who fought and died in the American Revolution, could come back and look at our country right now, they would actually be amazed in so many ways that we still have a functioning democracy.

There's so many more voices and people are included in those rights that they.

Fought and died for.

Yeah, and clearly would say this is still an experiment, This is still a work in progress.

This is not a finished product yet by any measure.

There is still so much more work to be done.

And I try to think about it within that context, and I do think it adds.

This goes to your point about how I see my role.

It's a very weighty moment for that reason.

I mean, every time we're thinking about guests and what the interview is going to be like, and how we're knowing the structure of the show, it's all incredibly intentional.

And you talk about the history.

We have a segment called Meet the Press Minute, and it's a moment to sort of reflect on the history.

Of the moment.

Yes, to put it into a little bit of a broader context.

Here we are having this conversation, let's go back fifty years and remember what this politician, this former president said about this issue at the time.

Because to your good so feel we've wrestled with so many of these issues in the past.

Yes, and we continue, I think to debate and wrestle with some of these fundamental foundational issues to who we are as a country and what this country looks like and how we all coexist here together.

Absolutely, and you're right, it is a it's a constant experiment, and I think it's important for us all to remember that progress takes time, destruction is faster.

But we've proven we can progress.

And so the if the ancestors, founding fathers, all tho historical figures who came before us got us here, we're certainly not going to give.

Up, now, that's right.

Yeah, Yeah, And I wonder for you, you know, becoming a White House correspondent doing so across three administrations again, talk about historical context.

I'm really curious how what you observed across each of those buckets, if you will, informed the intentions you set when you started on Meet the Press, because I know there's no way you walked in there as the woman you are, as the first host of Color, as the historian that you love being and didn't have like, of course you had goals for the show, but I'm talking like your personal intentions as Kristen.

Yeah, did you think about them specifically?

Did they come to you as you were designing the show?

Like how does it work to prep for the first night you walk in there and you take over.

What's so interesting is that I had.

First of all, I should say I was absolutely stunned when I was offered this role.

Really, yes, I really.

When Rebecca Blumenstein, the president of NBC News called me to offer me the job, I I literally thought she was calling to say hey, because she said, I just want to update you on some campaign coverage.

I was like, great, and I thought I was going to be assigned to one of the president of campaigns.

And she called to say, you know, Chuck has made this decision.

He would like to pass the baton to you.

We would like you to moderate Meet the Press.

I could have been knocked over with a feather.

Wow.

And it was the greatest honor and surprise, And yet What was so fascinating is that when I sat down and really thought about what I wanted the show to be and to the question that you're asking in many ways, it became very clear, very quickly.

I wanted to focus on the strength of the interviews, and I wanted to create this segment called Meet the Moment for one of the I think really important reasons that you have made, which is that politics is infused into every single part of our lives.

So this notion that actors and athletes and historians are not a part of who we are as a country and how our politics operates, That's just not the case.

So I wanted to bring those voices in, and that's why I started might Meet the Moment segment, which hopefully you will join me on one day and I will have the honor of interviewing you at some.

Point anytime, anytime, all the time.

Anytime you need someone, someone gets sick, call me.

I'll be there.

Okay, no, no, I'm in an RSVP, like we'll book it.

But then when you need a fill in, I'll be there and then we'll book it again.

That's fantastic, But you know, I just thought that was so important to expand the voices that we're hearing from on Sundays.

It is a moment for I think Americans, for our viewers to sit and reflect on the week that was and where we're going, and to do that, I really wanted to bring in more voices, and so it's one of the aspects of the show that I'm really proud of.

I always say, every week, is there any way we can add an half hour onto the show?

Yeah, we have so much content.

We have a small but mighty team.

They're just incredible, and we often lined up with three interviews and incredible panel But that really was the philosophy that I brought to bear when I took the baton from Chuck.

And as Chuck always says, you're a steward of the chair.

I mean, at some point I will pass the baton onto someone else, but for the time being, and why I took this extraordinary role and opportunity.

My goal really every Sunday is to make sure that we're hearing from a diversity of voices and that includes yes, politicians, but people who are impacting our politics, who are outside of the political spectrum.

So we talked to Michael Phelps about mental health.

I know because here we are about to go into another Olympics, which I know everyone's excited about.

You know Olivia Munn who.

I spoke with about her breast cancer battle and also her surrogacy journey, which is something that we share and I welcomed my two beautiful kids into the world with the help of a surrogate.

Alison Felix about black maternal health and listens on and on, and we're really proud of these segments because I think it's expanded the conversation and it's also created a moment in the show.

They don't air every Sunday, maybe once a month, but it is a sportment where our viewers can you know, you have your kind of political debate at the top of the show and then a moment to reflect and go a little bit deep.

Are into one of the top issues and one of any one of these critical issues I think that impacts us.

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I'm curious, you know when you when you talk about it again, what you're doing so beautifully is personalizing things for people, you know, and I love that you mentioned thank you for this.

You know that that artists and athletes and all sorts of people matter to these conversations.

I think when people look at us and stay stick to acting or shut up and dribble, they forget that artists and athletes historically have been the boundary breakers of culture.

And it requires a kind of courage, and it requires a willingness to put your best interests second, sometimes last, to put your community interest first.

And I appreciate when folks in your position honor that and welcome us into those conversations.

So that's that's part one and part.

Two that I really do.

Yeah, well, I mean it.

And you know the second part of I guess the point where it leads me is, you know you mentioned this, what's happening in Minneapolis is impossible.

You know, when we talk about the divide, there are political officials who literally go on record and want us to believe the opposite of what we see with our own eyeballs.

And I'm really curious in a moment that is so political, that is about the constitution, that is about habeas corpus, that is about the rights of asylum seekers, that is about the literal found of our nation, and that also is so deeply personal and visceral and happening to our neighbors in Minnesota.

How do you deal with it?

How are you talking about this?

How are you talking about it on the press, and how are you going to get into the personal on meet the moment, because I certainly look to you sometimes to go like what do I do?

And I know listeners do too, and I just am curious how you're making sense of all.

This well, and I'll take you inside what happened this weekend As that unfolded.

We typically have our editorial meeting on Saturday morning, and it's our big editorial meeting, so it lasts typically three hours.

We're going through the interview's question mine by line, word by word, and this breaking news happens and we all sort of stop what we're doing and start to try to process.

What has happened.

Like everyone in the country, we didn't understand what had happened.

We didn't know what to make of it.

We saw the initial video clips come in and I can tell you, I mean we sat there, Sophia, in that conference room.

There were of course breaks here and there, but for the better part of twelve hours looking at the video clips over and every single angle, making phone calls to officials try to understand what had actually happened, and crafting an interview for the Deputy Attorney General, Todd Blanche that would reflect the moment and the urgency of it and the questions.

I think that we really tried to capture what are the questions that Americans have as they are going to watch this What information do you need to walk away with after having watched Meet the Press?

And it was.

Incredibly ruling, in part because watching that video over and over again is devastating.

Wherever you fall in the political spectrum, it doesn't matter.

Watching that video is incredibly hard to watch.

At the same time, we forced ourselves to watch it so that we had confidence going into the interview with Todd Branch that we were asking accurate questions.

And again it goes.

Back to the journalism.

We just took a very sober approach to what had happened.

And to your point, why was there disparity between what some top officials were saying and what Americans were seeing in this video?

And that was really the framing point of our entire interview in many ways, and the what happens now?

And I can tell you that after Meet the Present, my work does not end.

I've been on the phone recording story since I walked off the set on Sunday, because it's a story that I think is not just resonating across the country, but it seems like it's going to impact the Trump administration's policies as it relates to how they are going about these deployments.

Will have to see what ultimately happens.

But again, it's about in these moments, which feels so incredibly hard to wrap your head around, sticking with the principles of journalism, what do we need to do to report out the facts here, what actually happened, what's going to be done about it, who's going to be held accountable?

And will there be a policy change?

What will look different in a month for now, in six months from now?

And just asking those just very foundational questions.

I think helps people when they sit down to your point on a Sunday morning and they're trying to process what happened.

It helps people, I think, to take that for Our goal is to help people to take that first step.

So we're processing what was a really difficult moment I think for the entire country and clearly for the Trump administration as well, I mean they have acknowledged publicly and privately that this is a big problem what happened.

Right, Well, I think it's interesting as well to your point about the importance of journalists to continue reporting.

You know, it's not lost on me, as a civilian who is engaged in the news as nearly a full time job, that the administration didn't backtrack until there were so many videos, so many angles of the video, there was no way to deny what happened.

And then the cleanup begins, and you know, I was reading reports that you know, now christinoam is saying she was pressured by Stephen Miller, and now you know, everybody's pointing the finger, and I'm curious how that works.

To your point, you know, this happened on a Saturday.

You had to report on it on a Sunday.

It takes over your weekend.

I also think about it for you as a mom.

You know, you're not going to see your family on a weekend like that.

And then I think about it in terms of the working week.

You know, more videos come out, more stories come out.

I would imagine your newsroom has the ability to call offices that most of us don't.

You can call the Minneapolis Police and say, are they allowing you to process the evidence yet?

Or is the answer still though?

You can call people in the administration and ask for information.

How do you, guys, determine what calls get made first?

And how do you make those hard decisions about I'm going to you know, use an analogy.

This obviously isn't real, but let's say you have ten pieces of information to report on and only enough minute to cover six.

How do you decide what it's less important than something else to shape your hour?

Oh my gosh, it's our challenge every single weekend.

And if you could have seen the interview as written Saturday morning versus as delivered Sunday, you would see the evolving nature of what had to get dropped and what needed to be in focus and to your point, and I do think this is important.

We were doing all this against the backdrop of a snowstorm, so we had this very Everyone went to the hotel because we couldn't go.

Home, right state of emergency.

Yes, and then you know, which was a few blocks from our studios, and then came back a few hours the next morning.

How do we determine how to prioritize.

It is an evolution that is evolving until the minute I go to air.

And what's the unique methods that we.

Use to prepare for Sunday?

We do mock interviews.

My executive producers is a genius at this, and basically we study what the person has said.

He has played every single person I've ever interviewed.

Wow, mock interviews typically on a Saturday and again on Sunday, But because of the nature of this news cycle, there was no time for that, so we just came in on Sunday and did them.

And by the way, Tim Russer would.

Do that as well with his executive producer, and it was all marks of how he would prepare.

And it helps you to think through what is the person going to say?

How am I going to think about what they're going to say?

What are the holes in the question I'm asking?

Is this the sharpest way to ask it?

Or is it kind of letting the person do a choose your own adventure answer?

And to make it really is a stress test of our questions of my ability to kind of have an awareness of all of the information, make sure that I'm armed with all of the information going into the interview, Have I missed something?

Do I need to go back and read something more carefully?

And it's a stress test of the interview and of my knowledge of any given subject.

And so I have found it to be and we as a team have found it to be incredibly effective in terms of what's the most important in a moment like this where it's breaking news.

And I can't tell you, Sofia, how many sundays we are dealing with breaking news, whether it's domestically or internationally.

Right, we typically live in.

That breaking news moment and we try to, you know, really look at what's happening from every different angle.

And that was the decision we made this week.

So there are some bigger picture questions that I didn't get to ask that.

Of course we're on the cutting on floor that I was.

I wish we had even more time, but that just realistically, you know, you can't get to everything, so you do have to mirioritize.

You do have to say, okay, again, what do you as a viewer need to know?

What do you have to know at the conclusion of this interview?

What might not be able to live with myself if I didn't ask this, What are the set of questions that I just could not bear to know I didn't ask, and those are those And it's really every week it's a challenge and the same sort of rules apply.

You're asking about, like how do we think about how those calls get made?

I mean, this weekend a side, I'm in a constant state of making phone calls to my sources who I've developed over time.

You know, I've been in Washington since twenty ten, so you know I'm constantly reaching out to people both inside the administration and outside the administration.

People on Capitol Hill, people who've.

Served in past administrations who often can give I've brought a perspective to a moment.

In a situation like this where you're dealing with a law enforcement matter, I'm reaching out to my law enforcement sources to say, help me understand here, what's the protocol?

How does this video we're seeing match up against the protocol that you're aware of.

So we're trying to constantly bring the best reporting to bear on the show.

But again, as I said, like you know, I've spent the past several days making phone calls because as a journalist, I want to help and be a part of the effort of NBC News to get to the bottom of what exactly happened here and what's going to happen moving forward, and I think the moment demands it.

There are times, I mean, I will tell you my days off for Monday and Tuesday, since we work on the weekend, and I try to preserve those days for my two kids and just to have that mom time with them uninterrupted when there are huge stories like the Venezuela story.

Yeah, you know again, the week does not end.

You're in on Monday.

You're working streaming show during the week, so I'm anchoring my streaming show, which typically gets anchored by someone else on Mondays and Tuesdays to make sure that I'm a part of the ongoing coverage.

And I guess, to button it up, what I would say is at the heart of all of.

This is I'm a reporter, and that's how.

I've approached my role as moderator of Meet the Press as a reporter, and to really be a reporter, I think you have to approach these things with humility and a sense of trying to constantly ask enough questions to enhance your own understanding, and therefore the public's understanding of these.

Weeks absolutely moments.

Yeah.

I actually would say that one of the best marks of a great reporter is their willingness to ask and listen, not just to digest.

And tell yes.

And you're right, that's.

Really what's at the heart of it, and it goes to your initial question, how do we bring people together in this moment by listening?

Yeah, this is such an incredible conversation and I'm thrilled to let you know that while we are at the end of part one, there is a part two with Kristen Welker