Hey everyone, I'm Matt Ford and welcome to the Good Trouble Show.

The world is well on fire.

You have regional wars like Ukraine, ecological disasters, political chaos, economic instability, and then you wrap all of that together with Ai and Nhi.

It's really no wonder.

Everyone feels like reality has been flipped upside down.

So tonight to help us make sense of this global moment, we're joined by someone who's spent his entire career working at the intersection of geopolitics, planetary risk, and transformative change.

He is the founding president of the State of the World, form a convergence of literally some of the brightest minds on the planet to tackle these very issues.

Please welcome Jim Garrison.

Jim, welcome to the show.

For our viewers who may not know your work, tell us a bit about yourself.

My name is Jim Garrison.

I think probably the most important thing to know about me is that I did my PhD dissertation on the question of why it is that, after several billion years of evolutionary life here on planet Earth, our species and our generation has brought the entire life process to the brink of extinction through escalating threat of nuclear war and now climate change.

I did this at Cambridge University back in the early nineteen eighties, and that really has shaped my life ever since.

What I found is when I would talk to people about nuclear weapons, they would always say, well, we need nuclear weapons because of the Russian threat.

So I actually went to Russia in the fall of nineteen eighty two and discovered that the Russians were friendly, had no real intent of invading Western Europe and the NATO Alliance.

And I realized, Matt, something fundamental that has really shaped my thinking and my activities ever since is that we don't need nuclear weapons because of a thread.

We need a thread because we have nuclear weapons.

And that realization, that inversion of conventional wisdom really shaped my activities.

I had the great privilege beginning in nineteen eighty five all the way through two thousand and one to work with the Russians, work with Mikyle Gorbachev for ten years, convening meetings all around the world through the State of the World Forum.

I then went into academia after nine to eleven, when mister Gorbachev and I decided that elegant politics was no longer possible.

I'm going to interrupt here for a second, because we both know who Mikhail Gorbachev was, but maybe for the youngsters watching the show, who exactly was he.

Mikhile Gorbachev was the last president of the Soviet Union.

He was brought into power in March of nineteen eighty five.

He had a six year a tenure.

He resigned in December of nineteen ninety one.

I had the good fortune of being the last foreigner that he received in his Kremlin office before he resigned.

And his greatness was that he believed that it was possible for the United States and the Soviet Union to transcend mutual assured destruction because of the escalating threat of a nuclear war and create a peace process and in fact what he called a global civilization.

And so he made certain overtures.

He withdrew all Soviet troops from Eastern Europe, he allowed Germany to be reunited, and he disbanded the Warsaw Treaty organization.

And the great tragedy of our time is that the United States did not reciprocate, and they actually violated the agreements that they made with Mikhyle Gorbachev thirty years ago when the Soviet Union collapsed beginning in nineteen ninety two and took NATO to the east, and that, of course is what led to the Ukraine War and really the collapse of relationships between the United States and Russia.

It's been the great experience of my life being up close and personal and a working relationship with a historically important statesman, and watching as we all have the disintegration of that extraordinary moment into increasing hostility and now of course in the Ukraine War and various other geostrategic complexities around our world.

Is I've studied US and Russian nuclear policy since the early nineties, and I couldn't agree with you more.

You know, we are just at a horrible precipice.

I mean, I remember when I was in I think it was in high school, when everything thawed with Gorbachev in office and Reagan and I thought, wow, this is amazing.

The world is finally transforming into a better place where we are not on this sort of hair Triggerer alert of mutually assured destruction.

And to see the amount of backsliding is just it's it's horrific.

I mean, it truly is.

Yeah, and it's endangering the planet in our time, and I think the root of the problem has been the neo cons in the United States by every president since George Bush Junior, from the various nuclear protocols and treaties that Reagan, Bush Senior, Nixon, the early presidents John Kennedy all negotiated with the Russians.

There are now no more nucle guardrails, and it's an extraordinarily dangerous situation.

And to give people a measure of how dangerous it is, the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientist marks the clock, the Atomic clock at eighty nine seconds to midnight.

Right, it's the most dangerous period since the beginning of the nuclear age in nineteen forty five, even including the Cuban missile crisis, which the Atomic the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists marked as seven minutes to midnight.

That's the situation that we're in.

And so these are just one of the many issues that the world needs to contend with that I've been working on for many, many years now, in addition to other issues that have come up.

But the nuclear issue has really been the point of my civic activism.

So was the nuclear issue sort of like the single experience or turning point for you that set you on this path of kind of like a planetary scale of thinking.

Yeah, I would say that's true because when you really contemplate that all of us, as we're doing this interview, Matt, we're living in a world where United States, Russia, China, and happen does in other countries have their nuclear weapons on hair trigger alert.

And that means that any mistake, inadvertent or otherwise could trigger a nuclear holocaust.

And yet we all go about our normal business as if this isn't true.

And yet it is true, and it's one of those issues that we need to deal with.

And that was the great passion of Mikyle Gorbachev, was the elimination of nuclear weapons from this earth.

Yeah, I mean, it's a certain tragedy of our time that were now closer to what he sought to avoid than ever before.

Well, and part of it too, you know, you've got you've got Russia.

Well, firstly, you have China that is has massively increased their warhead production, the amount that they're putting into their land based strategic nuclear deterrent.

Then you've got Russia developing all of these you know, sort of like crazy, crazy delivery systems like the Poseidon nuclear torpedo and and you know these hypersonic delivery systems.

And now the US it really hasn't been I don't think the press is really picked up on it.

But now the US is actively discussing remerving the minute Man three.

And I forgot what the nuclear agreement was where where we demerved down to war one warhead on the minute Man three.

But but now.

Because of this this build up, especially from China, North Korea, the mount we're backsliding and throwing these warheads back onto these ICBMs.

It's it's obscene.

And and there had been so many instances where we have all come very close to nuclear annihilation due to you know, sensor malfunction or or I forgot there was one.

There was one operation that happened during Reagan's term, I believe where it was sort of a sort of a work up, and I understand that the Russians actually thought that we were preparing for first first strike.

So I'm totally with you on that.

It is it is something that you know, we cannot continue to h really to kind of bury our heads in the sand.

But I want to want to talk about these the world form so you helped launch the original State of the World form in the nineties.

For those new to it, what was the form originally created to do?

Well?

What we did with mister Gorbachev after he resigned in the end of nineteen ninety one.

I was one of the first people that met him in Moscow in early nineteen ninety two and proposed to him that we worked together to convene a global brain trust, which we called the State of the World Forum, and we worked on it for several years, and then between nineteen ninety five and the year two thousand, we brought together initially about five six hundred people to the Fairmont Hotel on the occasion of the fiftieth anniversary of the founding of the United Nations.

It was actually founded in the Fairmont Hotel, San Francisco in nineteen forty five, and so we met there and then for the next six years through the year two thousand, we would gather diverse individuals.

We actually convene probably more diversity at more levels than any group had ever aggregated at that time, and then we spawned various strategic initiatives.

Gorbachev on nuclear weapons reduction, Jane Goodall and whole Child initiative, Mohammed Unis, you know, with the Grammin Bank and how we could work there.

So the ethos of that original State of the World Forum was transforming conversations that matter into actions that make a difference.

And then nine to eleven happened, and we all know what that meant.

And so it was at that point that I flew to Moscow and we had lunch together and we agreed that we had done our thing and it was time to do other initiatives.

He was interested in the International Green Cross.

And then I went into academia.

I became president of Ubiquity University.

And then last fall, the woman Lynn Twist, who was the co founder of the Pachamama Alliance that works in the Amazon in South America on land restoration and tribal protection.

She was the moderator with me of the original State of the World form and she called me up and said that she had just had this vision while she was down in the Jungles that we needed to recreate the State of the World Forum.

I love that and I knew instantly Matt that that was something that I needed to do.

And at the time I was working with Danny Sheen in the New Paradigm Institute.

I was the director of the Washington Office.

I was working on the UAP disclosure issue.

But as soon as Lenn called me and said that it was it was time to recreate the Forum, I instantly said yes.

So I left NPI and then I had the extraordinary experience a few days later realizing there's no Gorbachev.

Yeah, you know, what we did back then was possible because Gorbachev was this superordinate personality like Nelson Mandela, you know, like Mahatma God.

Yeah, you anology.

When he convened, everybody came.

But there's no there's no equivalent to Gorbichov in our world today.

So I I was kind of flummox literally for a couple of months thinking it through, and then I realized that what the new State of the World Forum needed to convene a global conversation around was a question.

And the question is how should humanity in this time elevate its consciousness to creatively respond to four fundamental truths that are true no matter who you are or where you are on planet Earth.

And you know, if you think about it, one of the aspects of the zeitgeist of the world collective spirit right now is that people have lost track of what's real, and because of that, most people can't connect the dots anymore, and they've lost a framework for meaning.

So any meaningful conversation has to begin with what can one assert to be fundamentally true and what came was for It's fundamentally true no matter who you are, where you are around the world, that we're all experiencing accelerating ecological collapse.

And that's independent of whether you believe in climate change or not.

Just look around.

We're experiencing ecological collapse at every level.

Number two, we're also experiencing deepening instability and turbulence at every level of human affairs.

Doesn't matter whether you're in Mongolia or you're a young person in Beijing, or or the United States or Canada.

Everyone is experiencing hypercomplexity and instability.

And number three, simultaneously, we've just unleashed completely unregulated exponential artificial intelligence.

That's number four.

The US government is telling us that technologically advanced non human intelligences are here on Earth, and they've been here for some time, you know, And this was the point of the Age of disclosure that just came out.

If people have seen at a documentary by Dan Farrah where you had an array of senior intelligence and political figures of the US government basically stating there's zero doubt, ladies and gentlemen, basically the ets aer here.

Yeah, So if you put those four data points together, what emerge are four intelligences.

We have human intelligence, we have nature intelligence, we have artificial intelligence, and we've got cosmic intelligence.

So what's up for humanity is essentially the realization that we're not alone and we can't make it alone.

We have four intelligences but only one future.

So how we understand this is what the State of the World form is seeking to convene from December fourteenth through seventeenth of this year as a live interactive broadcast to which we invite all of your viewers to attend.

You just go to Stateoftheworld dot form and you can register.

It's going to be an extraordinary conversation.

I would say, it's a conversation that has never taken place in human history.

Well, and I was I was looking at Sorry, I was just going to say, I was looking at the list of speakers, and it is incredibly impressive.

The minds that you've brought together.

You know what what is is that these four things that are uniting them and you know, maybe just kind of tell our tell our viewers some of the speakers that they that are part of this.

It's really pretty something else.

Yeah, it really is.

Actually it's quite extraordinary.

Well, if you uh, if you want to think about the flow, you know, we're really opening the entire forum as a sacred space, and we are bringing in indigenous grandmothers from all over the world to open each session and to close each day.

And that's a very important aspect of the state of the world form is we want to honor the indigenous mind because we in the West, the likes of you and I Matt and probably most of your audience, are caught up in a worldview that historically has said that the UFOs uap don't exist, and that nature isn't important, it's inert, we don't have to pay attention to it, and that's why we've brought the entire global process to the brink of extinction.

But there are some people in our world, the indigenous people, who never lost track of the reality of nature, intelligence and cosmic intelligence.

So that's the first thing that I would say about the state of the World forum.

And then the first day on WERA having an opening ceremony.

On Sunday the fourteenth, we will have opening keynote address by Pipa Malgram foremost public intellectuals from the United States deeply involved in AI NHI and tech.

And then Anne Paulina, who's an Aboriginal woman from Australia who happens to also have two PhDs.

And a woman Sulafa Victoria from Ecuador, a gen Z in her twenties, that's going to be talking about the reality of the gen Z perspective on the state of our world.

So we're just bringing a bunch of diversity together.

Then the next day we're going to just go through the four Fundamental Truths, starting with Aspriorio Lake, the founder of the Women's Earth and Climate Action Network, Vladimir Posner on the nuclear weapons issue of foremost journalists from Russia.

And then in the we're going to talk about the genocide in Gaza.

We're going to talk about human trafficking, We're going to be talking about the deleterious effects of social media, cruelty to animals.

So when you think of the first two data points of ecological collapse and instability at every level of human affairs.

What we want to bring out as we begin our conversation is the human race has become essentially dysfunctional.

Yes, we need a new paradigm.

We need a new ingredient in our consciousness that can catalyze and upgrade and that's what we're going to be dealing with on in the afternoon, on what we're calling the AI and NHI Revolution, Ross Coltart the Australian journalists, the premier journalists in the world.

For us to be moderating the panel.

We're going to have Avi Lobe from Harvard talking about the three II Atlas.

We're going to have Beatrice Galoreal talking about her groundbreaking research indicating that there's a very deep statistical connection between the sightings of UFOs around the world and nuclear weapons testing between nineteen forty nine and nineteen fifty six.

So between three I Atlas and Beatrice galoreals astronomical paper, that will start the conversation and we'll have various people commenting on that, and then in the second hour on that first day, we're going to take up an issue that is just beginning to emerge, and that is evidence around connection between AI and Nhi.

Wow, okay, I mean think that thought.

Everybody you know thinking that maybe the etser here or UAP is real.

But what happens when advanced non human intelligence starts to connect with advanced artificial intelligence?

And so that's going to be a very very dynamic conversation.

And then the next day we've got Veda Austin.

We're going to be talking about how the intelligences meet.

How does human nature artificial cosmic intelligence, how do they interconnect?

What does it mean for humans to learn the language of consciousness to engage in intelligible communication with other species, other sentient beings.

So we've got for example, Gary Shapiro, he was the first scientist to develop a mechanism for communication between humans and the upper primates.

In this case, it was the orango tanks.

We've got Veada Austin from New Zealand who's going to be talking about her research with water and the capacity of humans to engage in intelligible communication with water.

Again, think that thought.

Think about creativity and the evidence that it's emerging that creativity doesn't come from inside us, it comes from the sun.

It comes from the cosmos, It comes from external aspects of nature through us, and we mediate them.

And then we have a creative thought and look at the telepathy tapes with Kai Dickens on clairvoyance.

And then in the afternoon we're going to have an incredible conversation between Diane Hennessy Powell, who was the scientists behind the telepathy tapes and this research that autistic young people are brilliantly clairvoyant and mentally telepathic, and Rupert Sheldrick.

We're going to have an opening dialogue with Rupert Sheldric and Diane Hennessy.

We've invited Kai Dickens.

It's going to be an extraordinary opening dialogue on the question of how do we learn the language of consciousness?

And then we've invited Dahlia and Ldeue Burgoyne, a mother and daughter who live in Utah who are extraordinarily clairvoyant, and they're going to demonstrate mind sight and mental telepathy.

A Dahlia, you can put blindfolds on her and she can read the driver's license in your wallet, in your back pocket.

How does she do that?

And her daughter, who's artist, who's only fourteen years old, is one of the most mentally telepathic individuals, even in the autistic world.

Then on Wednesday we'll be talking about other aspects, but that gives everyone a flavor.

We're going to end the entire form within the announcement of the establishment of a Center for Planetary Intelligence with Chris Bledsoe.

We're established Chris Bledsoe Center for Planetary Intelligence in North Carolina.

Chris Bledsoe, is most of your listeners know, is probably the most studied et experiencer in the world.

This guy's been in communication with ORBS for many, many years and his book UFO and God is well worth reading.

It's an extraordinary narrative study by NASA, by the CIA, by the NSA, by Harvard By I mean, this guy has an a resonance with ORBS.

I've been with him on multiple occasions.

The ORBS just come down and commune with him.

So we're establishing the Chris Bledsoe Center for Planetary Intelligence, where we can establish a research center for studying how these foreign intelligences need to be brought together, because we're way beyond the government of the United States thinking that they can control.

Disclosure hundred percent.

Yeah, I can scree with.

You exactly, exactly, and the people of the world now have to take the accountability for increasing disclosure by beginning to establish intelligible communication with these non human intelligences, these ets, the UAP, however you want to talk with them UFOs, they're here with advance intelligence and technology, and we now have to take up the challenge of historic magnitude to learn how to engage in intelligible communication not only with them, but with AI and with nature.

And we take the position in fact that we will only regulate and tame AI not through human effort, but by integrating AI into cosmic intelligence and nature intelligence.

And this is where Beatrice Meloreals research comes in and the testimony of thousands and thousands of ET experiences from around the world.

If I could make a comment on the age of disclosure this documentary, almost every speaker was trying to craft disclosure and UAP contact as a national security issue because there's a potential threat.

And I want to state as clearly as I possibly can, I don't believe that's true.

I believe that the UAP, the UFO phenomenon emerged in modern history at the moment when the United States ignited the atomic bombs in nineteen forty five, and if you listen to what John Mack had to say, what Kathleen Martin has to say, all the people that have done research on the people who've experienced direct encounters with these extraterrestrial beings, they've come to warn about our nuclear weapons and about our destruction of nature.

So in my view, we should be embracing these cosmic beings, not weaponizing our consciousness and treating them as a potential threat, which is the US government is currently doing.

I believe that's wrong, and I believe it's dangerous, and what the State of the World form is seeking to initiate is a whole different conversation around how we integrate with them, not resist and weaponize ourselves against them.

They're here with Benine and ten in our.

View, Yeah, I absolutely love this.

I'm blown away, you know.

Of course, I went through the website and had a look and as I mentioned all of the names, or many of the names, I recognized, not all of them.

But the brain trust that you've put together is just incredibly impressive.

And I totally agree.

You know, we are really at this crazy precipice that I don't see.

I don't think any of us could have envisioned all of these things kind of snowballing and coming together at once.

The NHI issue, you know, what's going on geopolitically in the world, what's going on with our current administration, the whole NHI issue.

I mean, it is just mind boggling.

And I think what is really going to be great about this world form is everybody that I speak to, everybody is worried.

Everybody is trying to sort of figure out what the end picture of these various puzzle pieces are going to be.

And the fact that you're bringing all of these really you know, forward thinking individuals like Pippa Molngrams.

She's a friend.

I've had many long conversations with her.

I mean, she's just brilliant.

And Beatrice, who I just realized I've been mispronouncing her name a bunch of times when she's been on the show, so thanks for correcting me.

I also butchered Tim Galliadett's last name when he came on the show.

But anyway, all joking, I tend to do that with guests.

Yours is very easy to pronounce.

But in all seriousness, everybody is on edge.

Everybody is just I think, incredibly frightened of what is just around the corner.

So I'm just absolutely thrilled.

You've brought this back to twenty twenty five again December fourteenth through seventeenth.

And where can folks sign up for this just amazing conference.

Well, you just go over to Stateoftheworld dot forum and you'll see our our web page and you can register very very easily.

And what I would say, Matt is I'd like to underscore your last statement.

You know, we are in a world where the center no longer holds.

We are in a world where chaos reigns.

Yes, and exponential.

Change, both positive and negative, is exploding the boundaries of anything that we have thought was normal.

And we're going to be going through a period between twenty twenty five and twenty thirty.

Not only in my view, but the view of many scientists, historians, indigenous prophecies all are indicating that this next five six years are going to be the most those consequential years in all of human history.

Just the advert of UFOs and extraterrestrial beings is the most momentous experience in all of human history.

And then we've unleashed artificial intelligence and taken biological intelligence and put it into machines, and the ecologies erupting all around us, and all the human institutions of stability and control are breaking, bending, cracking under the weight of change.

They no longer understand and cannot regulate.

And unless and until the human race understands this and really pauses, which is what the state of the world form is seeking to do, it's like almost like a pause.

Come on, look, everyone, let's just stop for a minute and think as deeply as we can as human beings here, what on Earth is going on?

This is no joke.

What's going on in the world.

We've got to pay attention, and we've got to somehow create a new paradigm.

And our conviction is is that if you take seriously these data points, and you take seriously that we've got four distinct intelligences on our hands here in planet Earth, and it's the human challenge to learn how to communicate intelligibly with them so that we can co create a flourishing future.

My god, Matt, the depth of the crisis doesn't even begin to match the extraordinary opportunity for growth and development and learning and consciousness expansion that would begin to happen if we learn the language of PI, if we earn the language of intelligible communication with these other beings, knowing that they communicate clairvoyantly, that's how nature communicates, that's how the ets communicate.

It's an extraordinary moment.

And in fact, just one last thing, this is one of our major strategic initiatives we're going to be rolling out starting in January twenty twenty six, a global education program with some of the leading practitioners, including the autists, of how we can learn the language of PSI, how we can learn the language of consciousness ordinary people.

Just imagine a world where you're walking down the street and you say hello to the tree and the tree says hello back.

That you actually can talk to your pets that you're communing with various extraterrestrials.

Just imagine a world in which humans and ets have working groups with nature.

And in fact, we're launching an award of one hundred thousand dollars reward for the best proposals for how humans can come together with these other intelligences to create a flourishing future.

And it's completely for free.

And the one rule is you've got to use at least two other intelligences, probably AI and either nature intelligence or cosmic intelligence, or all three to come up with your proposal, because that's what's up for humanity, and it's the most exciting thing that I can think of.

It's an extraordinary moment to be alive.

It truly is.

I never thought we would be where we are where we're at, both in good ways and bad ways.

So yeah, Jim Garrison, this is just fantastic.

Again.

The World Form December fourteenth through seventeenth.

We will include a link in the YouTube description.

I know I'll be signing up.

I encourage all of you watching at home to sign up for this, really, this extraordinary event.

I'm so glad you came on the show to tell us about it.

I know I learned a few things, not the least of which is that I've been pronouncing Beatrice's last name and correctly this whole time.

So sorry, beat.

Yes, State of the World OD Forum, everyone, thanks so much for me.

That was just fantastic.

I am truly excited about this World Forum.

I know I will be signing up right after this episode.

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