1 00:00:00,013 --> 00:00:03,368 So sometimes I have a lot of difficulty finding, 2 00:00:03,393 --> 00:00:07,500 a rhythm that feels otherworldly enough. 3 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:09,280 Maybe that's not the right adjective. 4 00:00:10,700 --> 00:00:12,560 But still sounds good to us. 5 00:00:13,225 --> 00:00:14,265 [INTRO MUSIC] 6 00:00:29,650 --> 00:00:32,394 Welcome to Conlangery, the podcast about constructed 7 00:00:32,395 --> 00:00:34,290 languages and the people who create them. 8 00:00:34,370 --> 00:00:35,430 I'm George Corley. 9 00:00:36,353 --> 00:00:43,941 And with me today is ZeWei, a YouTube creator, 10 00:00:43,966 --> 00:00:48,771 musician, and conlanger out in California. 11 00:00:48,890 --> 00:00:49,950 How are you doing? 12 00:00:50,310 --> 00:00:51,550 I am doing all right. 13 00:00:51,730 --> 00:00:52,730 How are you doing? 14 00:00:53,250 --> 00:00:54,250 Good. 15 00:00:55,950 --> 00:01:00,370 So I brought you on because I had noticed your channel. 16 00:01:00,470 --> 00:01:04,830 And not all of your stuff is conlang, but it seems like... 17 00:01:06,390 --> 00:01:10,071 Increasingly, you've incorporated conlanging into your songs. 18 00:01:10,245 --> 00:01:10,725 Yeah. 19 00:01:10,750 --> 00:01:15,430 And I want to talk a little bit about, like, how you came to that decision, 20 00:01:15,650 --> 00:01:21,210 how you came into conlanging and how it blends into your music. 21 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:22,840 Mhm, mhm. 22 00:01:23,170 --> 00:01:24,190 Yeah, yeah. 23 00:01:24,310 --> 00:01:27,630 I definitely am increasing the conlang content. 24 00:01:27,890 --> 00:01:31,210 I have plans to do that over the next year. 25 00:01:31,930 --> 00:01:34,930 Mostly just going to be focusing on the conlang stuff. 26 00:01:35,010 --> 00:01:35,290 Obviously. 27 00:01:35,430 --> 00:01:36,430 The music on top of it. 28 00:01:36,470 --> 00:01:37,690 Conlang. Music. 29 00:01:37,830 --> 00:01:39,130 It's what I'm doing. 30 00:01:40,470 --> 00:01:41,470 Yeah, yeah. 31 00:01:41,690 --> 00:01:46,449 I had kind of been interested in both conlangs 32 00:01:46,474 --> 00:01:50,225 and music for a long time, like, separately. 33 00:01:50,250 --> 00:01:54,527 It was only a couple of years ago when I actually found 34 00:01:54,528 --> 00:01:57,930 the conlang community and this thing called conlanging. 35 00:01:58,050 --> 00:01:59,770 Like, I didn't know it was a thing for ages. 36 00:02:01,050 --> 00:02:03,362 That I thought, hey, you know, I have these, like, 37 00:02:03,363 --> 00:02:05,331 a bunch of these language projects lying around. 38 00:02:05,430 --> 00:02:09,770 And I have, you know, this... I like making music. 39 00:02:10,030 --> 00:02:13,465 And I might as well just slap those things together. 40 00:02:13,490 --> 00:02:17,130 Because it gives me something to use these conlangs for. 41 00:02:17,270 --> 00:02:18,950 Because I'm not writing a book or anything. 42 00:02:19,610 --> 00:02:20,090 Yeah. 43 00:02:20,150 --> 00:02:25,263 I mean, so how did you get into conlanging in the first place? 44 00:02:25,550 --> 00:02:28,530 Like, where was your path to getting into that? 45 00:02:29,165 --> 00:02:29,645 Yeah. 46 00:02:29,670 --> 00:02:35,410 It's... I would say it's a bunch of overlapping things that kind of... 47 00:02:35,430 --> 00:02:38,430 eventually built up into the path that I have. 48 00:02:39,591 --> 00:02:43,750 So when I was... I want to say it was, like, 10 years old. 49 00:02:44,230 --> 00:02:47,530 Me and my friend, we were like, "Oh, well, let's make a language." 50 00:02:47,610 --> 00:02:49,225 Like, this was a crazy idea. 51 00:02:50,250 --> 00:02:54,210 We're going to make a language so that the adults can't understand what we're saying. 52 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:58,473 And so that was, like, you know, it was just a 53 00:02:58,498 --> 00:03:01,490 relex of English in terms of grammar and stuff. 54 00:03:01,710 --> 00:03:04,830 And she and I had done it for, like, two days. 55 00:03:04,855 --> 00:03:06,430 And then kind of dropped off. 56 00:03:06,950 --> 00:03:09,385 But for a while, I would think about it and 57 00:03:09,386 --> 00:03:11,630 be like, "Oh, that was a cool idea that we had. 58 00:03:11,710 --> 00:03:13,890 Like, I want to do that again at some point." 59 00:03:14,030 --> 00:03:18,665 And then, excuse me, I was playing Splatoon. 60 00:03:18,690 --> 00:03:20,890 I'm not sure how familiar you are with the Splatoon series. 61 00:03:22,150 --> 00:03:23,150 I've heard of it. 62 00:03:23,630 --> 00:03:24,290 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 63 00:03:24,310 --> 00:03:27,065 So it came out in 2015. 64 00:03:27,090 --> 00:03:28,730 It's been nine years now, which is crazy. 65 00:03:29,690 --> 00:03:34,570 The game features a lot of world building in, like... 66 00:03:35,590 --> 00:03:38,170 There's so much language everywhere. 67 00:03:38,370 --> 00:03:39,930 There's no functional conlang in there. 68 00:03:40,650 --> 00:03:43,352 But there's so much writing around graffiti on the walls 69 00:03:43,353 --> 00:03:46,650 and the billboards and ads on the TV screens in there. 70 00:03:47,690 --> 00:03:51,050 Brands for, like, the clothing you can buy all have that writing on it. 71 00:03:51,570 --> 00:03:58,191 There's a lot of music in the game in their, like, glorble gibberish squid speak. 72 00:03:58,270 --> 00:04:05,010 So that was really inspiring to me, especially as someone who was working on... 73 00:04:05,430 --> 00:04:06,770 learning indie game dev. 74 00:04:06,930 --> 00:04:12,190 I was like, oh, well, I need to make music and I need to make, you know, this game. 75 00:04:12,270 --> 00:04:17,290 And I have these these conlangs that are lying around so I can incorporate that 76 00:04:17,291 --> 00:04:22,555 idea that my friend and I had into a game that I have made 77 00:04:22,580 --> 00:04:25,810 to make the world feel like a lot more alive, I guess. 78 00:04:25,870 --> 00:04:30,690 So that's that's where the conlanging came in and then eventually the music as well. 79 00:04:31,630 --> 00:04:35,750 I think there are a lot of people who come into conlanging 80 00:04:35,775 --> 00:04:40,590 having played with language in interesting ways, very young. 81 00:04:41,270 --> 00:04:42,270 Yeah, yeah. 82 00:04:42,310 --> 00:04:46,588 It's it's interesting that you it seems like you were doing 83 00:04:46,589 --> 00:04:51,050 some conlanging stuff before you were aware of the community, then. 84 00:04:51,075 --> 00:04:53,690 Yeah, I didn't know the term conlanging was a thing. 85 00:04:53,850 --> 00:04:56,510 Yeah, you were just inventing a language that that's. 86 00:04:56,610 --> 00:04:57,610 Yeah. 87 00:04:58,150 --> 00:05:04,270 But tell me about your journey with with the game development. 88 00:05:04,370 --> 00:05:05,370 Are you still? 89 00:05:05,430 --> 00:05:10,130 Working on developing a game or are you shifted mostly just to music? 90 00:05:11,070 --> 00:05:15,931 As of about a year ago, I've mostly just shifted 91 00:05:15,932 --> 00:05:20,051 to the the music and the and the video stuff. 92 00:05:20,510 --> 00:05:24,270 Previously, I had gone to college for game game development. 93 00:05:24,390 --> 00:05:26,810 I worked on Rocket League, if you're familiar with that game. 94 00:05:27,570 --> 00:05:28,090 Okay. 95 00:05:28,270 --> 00:05:32,850 And it was kind of a passion that I had for for a very long time. 96 00:05:32,890 --> 00:05:33,890 And I still do. 97 00:05:34,130 --> 00:05:36,318 But making a game. 98 00:05:36,343 --> 00:05:40,370 Is complicated and it takes a long, long time. 99 00:05:41,090 --> 00:05:45,006 So, you know, I've had a ton of, like, game ideas that 100 00:05:45,086 --> 00:05:47,550 I've wanted to do, and I've made a bunch of stuff. 101 00:05:47,650 --> 00:05:51,811 And of course, in college, you know, I was working on game projects all the time. 102 00:05:52,150 --> 00:05:59,130 But at the moment, I'm I've kind of realized, like, I I'm a one bird show over here. 103 00:05:59,210 --> 00:06:04,710 I can't I can't do it all in a timely manner, at least. 104 00:06:04,711 --> 00:06:09,120 So the music and the conlangs was was a way for me to 105 00:06:09,121 --> 00:06:12,530 keep making stuff while still like I have an idea. 106 00:06:12,670 --> 00:06:15,798 I can finish it in a timely manner. 107 00:06:16,150 --> 00:06:16,550 Yeah. 108 00:06:16,610 --> 00:06:17,090 Get it out. 109 00:06:17,091 --> 00:06:17,210 Yeah. 110 00:06:17,310 --> 00:06:20,690 So currently, I'm not doing the game stuff at the moment, but I would I would love to. 111 00:06:21,110 --> 00:06:22,230 I would love to go back. 112 00:06:23,290 --> 00:06:29,230 That that that is that is the thing is the it's an entirely different sort of problem. 113 00:06:29,730 --> 00:06:30,230 Oh, yeah. 114 00:06:30,290 --> 00:06:31,510 I keep I keep telling. 115 00:06:33,910 --> 00:06:34,690 David Peterson. 116 00:06:34,710 --> 00:06:38,050 David Peterson is making these languages for a board game. 117 00:06:38,270 --> 00:06:41,290 I keep asking him, "When is the board game coming out?" 118 00:06:41,330 --> 00:06:42,330 "I don't know. 119 00:06:42,490 --> 00:06:44,430 These things take years to figure out." 120 00:06:45,370 --> 00:06:45,930 Yeah. 121 00:06:46,030 --> 00:06:46,350 Yeah. 122 00:06:46,510 --> 00:06:51,710 And, you know, I'm sure a video game is is the same kind of thing. 123 00:06:51,830 --> 00:06:57,790 You just have endless work on noodly little rules to to figure out. 124 00:06:57,870 --> 00:06:58,150 Right. 125 00:06:58,230 --> 00:06:58,570 Yeah. 126 00:06:58,670 --> 00:07:04,390 But but it is interesting to hear that you got this. 127 00:07:04,710 --> 00:07:09,650 This pipeline from like game dev to music to conlang music. 128 00:07:10,500 --> 00:07:10,890 Yeah. 129 00:07:11,010 --> 00:07:14,130 Let's talk a little bit about now. 130 00:07:14,270 --> 00:07:21,130 I have interviewed other people who do like combine music and conlang. 131 00:07:22,270 --> 00:07:29,710 Yours is a different genre than what I have encountered before. 132 00:07:29,890 --> 00:07:30,890 So like. 133 00:07:32,420 --> 00:07:33,610 Margaret Ransdell Green. 134 00:07:33,611 --> 00:07:38,450 She created whole music theory systems for her con cultures. 135 00:07:41,430 --> 00:07:45,950 Jasper Charlet did a chamber, a chamber opera. 136 00:07:46,110 --> 00:07:46,650 Yeah. 137 00:07:46,730 --> 00:07:47,790 And you. 138 00:07:50,290 --> 00:07:55,370 You are doing like electronic music. 139 00:07:55,550 --> 00:07:59,630 I don't know fine genres there, but. 140 00:07:59,770 --> 00:08:02,830 I don't know what to classify my stuff as either. 141 00:08:02,831 --> 00:08:04,630 Honestly, like some people ask. 142 00:08:04,910 --> 00:08:07,150 They're like, oh, what genre is this? 143 00:08:07,210 --> 00:08:08,210 I'm like, you tell me. 144 00:08:09,250 --> 00:08:10,250 I don't know. 145 00:08:10,730 --> 00:08:16,730 I mean, it's it's definitely under the broad category of electronic music. 146 00:08:16,870 --> 00:08:17,090 Yeah. 147 00:08:17,170 --> 00:08:18,170 It's probably computer music. 148 00:08:18,210 --> 00:08:21,670 You're doing some very interesting things with. 149 00:08:22,010 --> 00:08:23,490 I saw one of your shorts. 150 00:08:23,550 --> 00:08:28,510 You talking about how you built. 151 00:08:29,110 --> 00:08:32,750 It seems like it like at the base of it's just like a base. 152 00:08:32,751 --> 00:08:33,590 It's a basic arpeggio. 153 00:08:33,690 --> 00:08:34,430 Oh, yeah. 154 00:08:34,431 --> 00:08:34,690 Yeah. 155 00:08:34,730 --> 00:08:37,870 With all the effects added to it. 156 00:08:38,050 --> 00:08:42,310 The pattern does not repeat for the entire three minutes. 157 00:08:42,430 --> 00:08:42,790 Yeah. 158 00:08:42,810 --> 00:08:42,970 Right. 159 00:08:43,030 --> 00:08:43,410 Yeah. 160 00:08:43,510 --> 00:08:43,790 That's right. 161 00:08:44,170 --> 00:08:44,770 Yeah. 162 00:08:44,910 --> 00:08:47,050 And that kind of thing. 163 00:08:47,190 --> 00:08:50,370 It's some experimental stuff going on. 164 00:08:50,450 --> 00:08:54,580 Actually, is that experimental nature in your music at 165 00:08:54,581 --> 00:08:58,490 all linked to your interest in including conlangs in it? 166 00:08:59,050 --> 00:09:02,670 Especially since like your conlangs seem to be set. 167 00:09:02,710 --> 00:09:02,730 Yeah. 168 00:09:02,731 --> 00:09:08,370 In sort of a sci-fi multiverse where you're shifting to other dimensions and 169 00:09:08,371 --> 00:09:10,370 meeting aliens and speak these languages, right? 170 00:09:10,510 --> 00:09:10,890 Right. 171 00:09:10,891 --> 00:09:10,950 Yeah. 172 00:09:11,050 --> 00:09:11,310 Yeah. 173 00:09:11,350 --> 00:09:16,310 A lot of them are more advanced technologically. 174 00:09:18,530 --> 00:09:24,510 I would say I think some of the experimental music stuff and the 175 00:09:24,511 --> 00:09:29,310 experimental like conlang stuff, I guess, is intentional. 176 00:09:29,311 --> 00:09:35,570 Some of it is kind of just me being drawn to the weird stuff. 177 00:09:37,690 --> 00:09:40,138 I've always enjoyed when something's kind of 178 00:09:40,139 --> 00:09:42,170 breaking the norm at convention and things. 179 00:09:42,290 --> 00:09:45,657 So I think inherently that's led me to do that 180 00:09:45,658 --> 00:09:48,810 kind of thing with a conlang and with music. 181 00:09:49,250 --> 00:09:51,210 But of course, I do... 182 00:09:51,211 --> 00:09:56,870 If I'm working on conlang music, I will consider that and how that can kind 183 00:09:56,871 --> 00:10:01,150 of affect the... the music of the culture and stuff. 184 00:10:02,390 --> 00:10:04,210 Do you find... 185 00:10:07,130 --> 00:10:15,130 When you are making music with your languages, do you find like different 186 00:10:15,131 --> 00:10:19,784 kinds of melodies and different kinds of rhythms 187 00:10:19,785 --> 00:10:23,830 fit better with certain languages or others? 188 00:10:23,910 --> 00:10:27,590 Or do you construct features of the languages 189 00:10:27,591 --> 00:10:31,290 In order to like fit to particular musical styles? 190 00:10:31,910 --> 00:10:33,630 I definitely do the conlang first. 191 00:10:34,010 --> 00:10:36,210 So the language and the world are like... 192 00:10:38,190 --> 00:10:40,030 That's the first thing that I'm thinking about. 193 00:10:40,090 --> 00:10:41,430 And then I'll make music for it. 194 00:10:43,270 --> 00:10:47,010 In terms of like the melodies and stuff, it really depends on the language. 195 00:10:47,130 --> 00:10:47,890 Like if you have a... 196 00:10:47,891 --> 00:10:50,859 If you like have a stress timed language, like that'll 197 00:10:50,860 --> 00:10:53,491 totally change how the rhythm works and things. 198 00:10:53,870 --> 00:10:59,910 Or if you had a... A tone registers or contours, like that might change things too. 199 00:11:00,030 --> 00:11:05,610 If the culture respects them in music. 200 00:11:05,630 --> 00:11:10,087 Because some contour languages just completely throw 201 00:11:10,088 --> 00:11:13,910 them out the window if you're writing a melody, right? 202 00:11:13,990 --> 00:11:16,010 So it can really be anything. 203 00:11:16,130 --> 00:11:23,650 I often find that like, especially when I'm working with languages with like a 204 00:11:23,710 --> 00:11:28,829 stress timed system or a long vowels, that really 205 00:11:28,830 --> 00:11:32,950 changes how the melody needs to go, really. 206 00:11:33,250 --> 00:11:38,010 And so if I have a melody that I've made like beforehand, and then I need to like 207 00:11:38,011 --> 00:11:42,390 insert lyrics onto, it's a lot harder if I have like long vowels, because I need to 208 00:11:42,391 --> 00:11:45,922 make sure that those longer notes fit in with the longer 209 00:11:45,923 --> 00:11:48,486 vowels and the shorter notes fit in with the shorter vowels. 210 00:11:48,510 --> 00:11:50,350 And sometimes they don't. 211 00:11:51,350 --> 00:11:53,390 And we just have to deal with it. 212 00:11:53,391 --> 00:11:56,850 But yeah, definitely influences a lot. 213 00:11:57,330 --> 00:12:03,910 Syllable weight is definitely like a thing that gets into it. 214 00:12:04,528 --> 00:12:10,456 Because like, even with like English with the weight 215 00:12:10,457 --> 00:12:15,970 variation, you see that happen in melodies in English. 216 00:12:16,070 --> 00:12:21,330 And if you see translations, there's all kinds of things. 217 00:12:21,570 --> 00:12:26,963 Other languages might actually add extra beats for 218 00:12:26,964 --> 00:12:30,571 extra syllables, where English would have one syllable. 219 00:12:30,610 --> 00:12:32,170 And it's just because of the structure. 220 00:12:32,290 --> 00:12:33,950 Sure, that is a thing in English as well. 221 00:12:34,410 --> 00:12:35,410 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 222 00:12:36,510 --> 00:12:42,990 But like, you know, I just use English as an example to illustrate your point. 223 00:12:43,050 --> 00:12:51,091 But like, I also find that like, the reason I'm thinking about that is like. 224 00:12:51,092 --> 00:12:50,970 .. 225 00:12:51,173 --> 00:12:54,670 In real languages, you see this kind of thing. 226 00:12:54,870 --> 00:12:56,050 I find that... 227 00:12:56,730 --> 00:13:02,970 I always feel like Mandarin Chinese is very versatile, actually, in what it can do. 228 00:13:03,050 --> 00:13:05,050 Because you tend... 229 00:13:05,051 --> 00:13:11,471 There is actually length variation, but you kind of ignore it and not have a problem. 230 00:13:11,870 --> 00:13:20,810 And you will have like, you know, you just have to count the syllables and be good. 231 00:13:20,811 --> 00:13:21,030 Right? 232 00:13:21,310 --> 00:13:21,910 Yeah. 233 00:13:22,050 --> 00:13:25,930 Whereas like, I've listened to Spanish rap. 234 00:13:27,030 --> 00:13:29,810 And Spanish doesn't really work for rap. 235 00:13:31,690 --> 00:13:32,710 That's a hot take. 236 00:13:34,450 --> 00:13:35,830 No, I mean like... 237 00:13:37,830 --> 00:13:42,710 I listen to a lot of Rap Italiano, but also some Spanish too. 238 00:13:43,470 --> 00:13:44,070 Yeah. 239 00:13:44,430 --> 00:13:46,170 It is different. 240 00:13:46,350 --> 00:13:49,550 Like, you know, just the natural rhythm of the language. 241 00:13:49,551 --> 00:13:51,334 Yeah, it has to be different. 242 00:13:51,430 --> 00:13:53,670 I think that... 243 00:13:55,170 --> 00:13:58,710 I don't listen to a whole lot of rap, but it feels like... 244 00:14:00,890 --> 00:14:04,420 English language rap is tending to do like an 245 00:14:04,421 --> 00:14:07,310 iambic rhythm, like a lot of English poetry. 246 00:14:07,750 --> 00:14:14,010 And then other languages are going to have to do something completely different. 247 00:14:14,130 --> 00:14:14,490 Yeah. 248 00:14:14,630 --> 00:14:17,050 The same way they do something different with poetry. 249 00:14:17,890 --> 00:14:25,890 Do you spend a lot of time, actually, with your languages, developing poetic 250 00:14:25,891 --> 00:14:29,150 conventions that you can then take into the songwriting? 251 00:14:29,530 --> 00:14:31,537 Because I watched one of your videos explaining 252 00:14:31,538 --> 00:14:36,770 your process, and you talked about rhyme. 253 00:14:37,610 --> 00:14:40,684 And, you know, you just briefly mentioned that 254 00:14:40,685 --> 00:14:43,290 different cultures will define rhyme differently. 255 00:14:43,610 --> 00:14:43,870 Yeah. 256 00:14:43,871 --> 00:14:44,130 Yeah. 257 00:14:44,310 --> 00:14:48,612 Like, do you spend a lot of time on those 258 00:14:48,613 --> 00:14:52,610 conventions in order to figure out lyric writing? 259 00:14:53,250 --> 00:14:54,250 Yeah, yeah. 260 00:14:55,290 --> 00:14:57,770 I probably don't spend as much time as I should, frankly. 261 00:15:00,550 --> 00:15:03,559 That video, I want to redo that whole video because I missed 262 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:06,051 so many things in there, like the stress time and the tones. 263 00:15:06,361 --> 00:15:10,590 But, yeah, like the rhyming is one part of it. 264 00:15:10,790 --> 00:15:14,110 You know, it depends on what you're writing. 265 00:15:14,111 --> 00:15:15,906 It depends on what your, like, vowel system is. 266 00:15:15,930 --> 00:15:19,890 Like, if you've got three vowels or whatever, you know, it'll be, it might be 267 00:15:19,891 --> 00:15:23,510 easier to find rhymes just because there's less vowels. 268 00:15:24,370 --> 00:15:30,190 But if you have, you know, like a whole, you filled up the entire vowel space and 269 00:15:30,191 --> 00:15:33,550 that's your phonemic vowels, like, it might be easier to find slant rhymes 270 00:15:33,551 --> 00:15:37,431 that are more accepted in the culture, like /i/ and /e/ or something. 271 00:15:38,970 --> 00:15:42,370 In terms of, like, the rhythm and the, and the, that kind of thing. 272 00:15:42,430 --> 00:15:43,790 Like, that's definitely something I think about. 273 00:15:43,791 --> 00:15:51,720 And it's, it's kind of hard. 274 00:15:52,190 --> 00:15:56,459 Because it's, it's easy to just lump everything 275 00:15:56,460 --> 00:15:59,811 into, oh, well, that kind of sounds Englishy. 276 00:16:00,470 --> 00:16:03,680 Because I'm just so used to something inherently as, 277 00:16:03,681 --> 00:16:07,730 like, particularly if it's in 4-4 time, you know, as well. 278 00:16:07,890 --> 00:16:07,930 Right. 279 00:16:08,850 --> 00:16:13,430 So sometimes I have a lot of difficulty finding, like, a rhythm that feels... 280 00:16:15,470 --> 00:16:16,470 otherworldly enough. 281 00:16:16,530 --> 00:16:18,010 Maybe that's not the right adjective. 282 00:16:19,450 --> 00:16:21,290 But still sounds good to us. 283 00:16:21,590 --> 00:16:26,950 Because, you know, I don't want anything, I don't want to make music that would be, 284 00:16:26,990 --> 00:16:30,830 like, fit for this culture that, like, we wouldn't like as well. 285 00:16:31,690 --> 00:16:32,210 Right. 286 00:16:32,350 --> 00:16:34,330 Well, that's, that is a thing. 287 00:16:34,355 --> 00:16:36,043 Realistically... 288 00:16:36,067 --> 00:16:36,581 Yeah. 289 00:16:36,770 --> 00:16:42,330 If you're talking about alien music... they could, they could definitely have... 290 00:16:43,310 --> 00:16:49,930 different instincts that drive them to completely different musical structures 291 00:16:49,931 --> 00:16:53,130 that would not sound... maybe we couldn't even hear it. 292 00:16:53,450 --> 00:16:54,970 That's what, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. 293 00:16:55,110 --> 00:16:56,110 That's like... 294 00:16:56,330 --> 00:16:59,126 they probably have a completely different, you 295 00:16:59,127 --> 00:17:02,591 know, range of frequencies that they can hear. 296 00:17:03,290 --> 00:17:05,610 So I've kind of, I've kind of... 297 00:17:06,390 --> 00:17:10,390 accepted it as, this is an interpretation of what it would sound like to them. 298 00:17:10,890 --> 00:17:11,390 Perhaps. 299 00:17:11,391 --> 00:17:12,391 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 300 00:17:12,550 --> 00:17:15,186 Because otherwise, you know, it's just, it's just not going to sound good to us. 301 00:17:15,210 --> 00:17:17,010 And frankly, we are the audience. 302 00:17:17,470 --> 00:17:19,590 So I want to make sure that it sounds... 303 00:17:21,210 --> 00:17:21,978 listenable. 304 00:17:22,210 --> 00:17:23,210 By any means. 305 00:17:23,530 --> 00:17:24,150 Yeah, yeah. 306 00:17:24,510 --> 00:17:27,910 Well, I mean, your, your music is, is great. 307 00:17:28,010 --> 00:17:28,490 It's not always... 308 00:17:28,990 --> 00:17:29,590 Oh, thank you. 309 00:17:29,770 --> 00:17:33,490 You know, it's not the, it's not the thing that I usually listen to. 310 00:17:33,530 --> 00:17:40,030 But it, it, it's really, it's very interesting, very cool to, like, pop on. 311 00:17:40,031 --> 00:17:41,410 Thank you. 312 00:17:41,411 --> 00:17:42,450 Let's actually listen. 313 00:17:42,650 --> 00:17:45,845 So you sent me, this is, this is a little sneak 314 00:17:45,846 --> 00:17:48,630 peek of something that should be coming up. 315 00:17:48,850 --> 00:17:49,450 Yeah. 316 00:17:49,690 --> 00:17:53,323 And I will, I'm going to jump to a part where 317 00:17:53,324 --> 00:17:57,531 we have some, some vocals so we can hear. 318 00:17:57,695 --> 00:17:59,695 (Music) 319 00:17:59,961 --> 00:18:03,254 Pahnyeina pabeiden hei 320 00:18:03,315 --> 00:18:06,375 Heken hekei chakei 321 00:18:06,822 --> 00:18:10,880 Pahvennyaheipe yhngnyem dah krwgennw 322 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:16,000 Dei pechwchem Krwnne Seingwng dah krainyem 323 00:18:16,147 --> 00:18:18,917 Krimi ni seinyem ni kragei 324 00:18:19,387 --> 00:18:23,792 Kriri nyenisse nifh hwkemen 325 00:18:24,988 --> 00:18:28,916 Chwm yeheinahen mw Hen Yahmnye maht 326 00:18:28,917 --> 00:18:31,584 Paradais hei pipeyahfen 327 00:18:31,615 --> 00:18:35,292 Krairwkh chwm heiken nifavap 328 00:18:35,292 --> 00:18:38,585 Krwnne hei dah hen dah seise 329 00:18:40,030 --> 00:18:41,350 So that's interesting. 330 00:18:41,510 --> 00:18:43,884 I'm going to jump ahead a little bit because there were some 331 00:18:43,885 --> 00:18:49,190 things I wanted to talk about that I heard later on here. 332 00:18:49,508 --> 00:18:55,216 (Music) 333 00:18:55,450 --> 00:18:58,413 Pahberegafei pahdegrimi ngi, sanye 334 00:18:58,413 --> 00:19:00,791 Pepsadeikricha chwv, fi 335 00:19:00,813 --> 00:19:03,615 Phfihekkei phpe nyemwn ni 336 00:19:03,615 --> 00:19:05,815 Yhng nyepei php pahnyeina pibehre 337 00:19:06,115 --> 00:19:08,034 Penyeigi hen hei nyem ya 338 00:19:08,681 --> 00:19:11,235 Pepsadeipinirh, nirh ka 339 00:19:11,702 --> 00:19:13,542 Pemw phpenye yhng 340 00:19:13,542 --> 00:19:17,042 Ni phchw seipekrh sessadeirhkre ka 341 00:19:17,323 --> 00:19:19,003 Chav dehchw sa shpiken 342 00:19:19,817 --> 00:19:22,317 Chav dah hi krahgei senein hei 343 00:19:22,583 --> 00:19:25,336 Nyeigise kri fanivan ka sa php 344 00:19:25,337 --> 00:19:27,936 Nirh sahdeki hei pei sahdere 345 00:19:29,902 --> 00:19:30,241 Yeah, 346 00:19:30,266 --> 00:19:34,690 so I wanted to get that section too, but because like... 347 00:19:35,930 --> 00:19:36,930 Me... 348 00:19:38,050 --> 00:19:39,050 Just... 349 00:19:39,250 --> 00:19:40,010 All I can... 350 00:19:40,011 --> 00:19:45,098 All I can really get is phonology from here, but listening to that, I can see 351 00:19:45,411 --> 00:19:56,410 you're not afraid of like going out into more unusual things and things that, 352 00:19:56,411 --> 00:20:00,430 you know, might be challenging for you to pronounce. 353 00:20:00,610 --> 00:20:05,881 Because like, you know, I hear a lot of the /ɯ/ 354 00:20:05,906 --> 00:20:08,730 vowel in there, but I also hear... I hear... 355 00:20:09,340 --> 00:20:12,865 It sounds like you have a syllabic uvular fricative. 356 00:20:12,890 --> 00:20:13,590 Is that right? 357 00:20:13,650 --> 00:20:13,870 Yes. 358 00:20:14,470 --> 00:20:16,770 It's like somewhere velar or uvular. 359 00:20:17,290 --> 00:20:17,870 Yeah. 360 00:20:17,910 --> 00:20:20,310 Depending on the speaker and the context. 361 00:20:21,230 --> 00:20:24,690 But yeah, it's a syllabic velar or uvular fricative. 362 00:20:26,110 --> 00:20:29,390 It only occurs between voiceless consonants. 363 00:20:29,870 --> 00:20:30,870 Or... 364 00:20:33,830 --> 00:20:38,323 /j/, /r/, and /ŋ/ become devoiced. 365 00:20:38,350 --> 00:20:41,170 So, to allow that to occur between those as well. 366 00:20:43,723 --> 00:20:49,950 Yeah, it's a little strange, but it came from the vocalization of mantises. 367 00:20:50,230 --> 00:20:55,430 I was looking at that and they make something that sounds similar to a velar 368 00:20:55,431 --> 00:20:57,850 fricative, at least it sounded like it's something... Oh, okay. 369 00:20:57,851 --> 00:21:02,050 So, this is for the mantis-like aliens. 370 00:21:03,510 --> 00:21:04,730 So, that's interesting. 371 00:21:04,930 --> 00:21:12,230 So, you actually... You actually, like, listened to mantis vocalizations in order to... 372 00:21:12,231 --> 00:21:13,231 Yeah. 373 00:21:13,430 --> 00:21:13,830 Vocalization. 374 00:21:13,831 --> 00:21:14,190 You get it. 375 00:21:14,250 --> 00:21:15,250 Singular. 376 00:21:16,850 --> 00:21:18,570 They have one vocalization. 377 00:21:18,571 --> 00:21:22,150 At least that's what I was able to find, but this was also several years ago, 378 00:21:22,210 --> 00:21:24,008 and honestly, I probably should have done a little 379 00:21:24,009 --> 00:21:26,451 more research before I made that whole thing. 380 00:21:27,210 --> 00:21:29,238 But no, I did do a little bit of research for 381 00:21:29,239 --> 00:21:32,331 sure, and like their oral anatomy and whatnot. 382 00:21:32,690 --> 00:21:33,090 Yeah. 383 00:21:33,150 --> 00:21:34,290 That is... 384 00:21:35,070 --> 00:21:36,750 That is... That is interesting. 385 00:21:38,230 --> 00:21:46,230 I kind of assume that you're sort of transcoding, like, their... whatever their 386 00:21:46,231 --> 00:21:53,430 physiology for producing sound is into human sounds in a way, right? 387 00:21:53,710 --> 00:21:53,990 Yeah. 388 00:21:53,991 --> 00:21:54,090 Yeah. 389 00:21:54,091 --> 00:21:55,091 That's an approximation. 390 00:21:55,130 --> 00:21:55,750 Yeah. 391 00:21:55,810 --> 00:22:00,750 It's not... It's not gonna be exactly, but... 392 00:22:02,250 --> 00:22:05,710 Or, you know, in a way... Yeah. 393 00:22:05,730 --> 00:22:06,230 It's art. 394 00:22:06,390 --> 00:22:09,150 You're just... You're just getting a vibe for something, right? 395 00:22:09,410 --> 00:22:09,930 Yeah. 396 00:22:09,931 --> 00:22:10,270 Honestly. 397 00:22:10,730 --> 00:22:11,270 But it is... Yeah. 398 00:22:11,410 --> 00:22:18,970 It is... It is interesting to... I just feel like singing with those... 399 00:22:19,630 --> 00:22:22,241 If you don't speak a language that has them, 400 00:22:22,242 --> 00:22:24,570 because there are human languages that have these. 401 00:22:24,790 --> 00:22:29,470 If you don't speak a language that has those syllabic fricatives like that, 402 00:22:29,610 --> 00:22:33,090 I can imagine that being challenging to sing. 403 00:22:33,930 --> 00:22:34,450 Mm-hmm. 404 00:22:34,451 --> 00:22:34,650 Mm-hmm. 405 00:22:34,651 --> 00:22:38,611 Because you're gonna lose the pitch, and also you 406 00:22:38,636 --> 00:22:43,170 have to be very fluid in actually producing it. 407 00:22:45,370 --> 00:22:52,670 Do you do a lot of practice before you record, or how do you deal with that? 408 00:22:52,950 --> 00:22:53,883 Yeah. 409 00:22:53,970 --> 00:22:58,950 I would not consider myself a singer for the... to start off with that one. 410 00:23:00,090 --> 00:23:04,310 It's a lot of recording the same thing many, many times. 411 00:23:05,030 --> 00:23:08,050 And eventually getting something that sounds decent enough. 412 00:23:09,450 --> 00:23:13,950 Thankfully with the medium that I use, all I need is one good take, and I can 413 00:23:13,951 --> 00:23:17,010 enter things a little bit here and there if I need to. 414 00:23:17,610 --> 00:23:18,610 Right. 415 00:23:18,790 --> 00:23:24,850 In terms of the pitch of the syllabic fricatives, or the lack of pitch, 416 00:23:24,950 --> 00:23:27,160 I should say, yeah, that's another thing that 417 00:23:27,161 --> 00:23:29,750 I've had to think about with the melody and such. 418 00:23:29,830 --> 00:23:33,530 I can't have a really cool sounding high note on that one. 419 00:23:35,403 --> 00:23:39,943 Because I have to say something like /pxp/, which does not have a tone on it. 420 00:23:40,290 --> 00:23:47,810 Yeah, so you do... so it'll figure into the melody a little bit, huh? 421 00:23:47,950 --> 00:23:48,270 Yeah. 422 00:23:48,390 --> 00:23:48,750 Yeah. 423 00:23:48,810 --> 00:23:50,590 I have to think about it, where I place that. 424 00:23:51,570 --> 00:23:52,070 Yeah. 425 00:23:52,250 --> 00:23:57,795 It is another interesting thing in your process video 426 00:23:57,820 --> 00:24:01,970 you were talking about, is like, you were saying... 427 00:24:01,971 --> 00:24:06,590 You know, if you don't have the word you need, sometimes you can just coin it. 428 00:24:06,810 --> 00:24:07,450 Mm-hmm. 429 00:24:07,510 --> 00:24:07,890 Yeah. 430 00:24:08,070 --> 00:24:09,561 It's super convenient. 431 00:24:10,510 --> 00:24:14,430 Which is kind of... it's helpful. 432 00:24:14,611 --> 00:24:20,800 I kind of... I have to do a little bit of poetry 433 00:24:20,825 --> 00:24:24,590 for my project, where I'm making spell incantations. 434 00:24:24,591 --> 00:24:28,369 And you know, for some of the longer ones, I want to do 435 00:24:28,370 --> 00:24:31,650 like couplets or like a four -line poem or something. 436 00:24:31,970 --> 00:24:32,070 Mm-hmm. 437 00:24:32,071 --> 00:24:32,190 Right? 438 00:24:32,370 --> 00:24:35,010 If you have a long enough casting time. 439 00:24:35,745 --> 00:24:42,150 But I actually try to avoid coining new words just to fit in. 440 00:24:42,250 --> 00:24:43,250 Mm-hmm. 441 00:24:43,610 --> 00:24:46,230 Just because, like, I feel like I'm cheating. 442 00:24:47,530 --> 00:24:48,530 You are! 443 00:24:48,870 --> 00:24:50,310 That's because you are, really. 444 00:24:50,710 --> 00:24:51,190 Yeah. 445 00:24:51,530 --> 00:24:52,010 Yeah. 446 00:24:52,110 --> 00:24:56,749 But I'm also like, I have this word that, you know, I... 447 00:24:56,750 --> 00:25:00,150 or I should say this meaning that I want to put in here. 448 00:25:00,151 --> 00:25:03,850 And say I'm missing the verb or something. 449 00:25:04,030 --> 00:25:04,350 I don't know. 450 00:25:04,510 --> 00:25:04,950 Yeah. 451 00:25:04,951 --> 00:25:05,951 Yeah. 452 00:25:06,030 --> 00:25:11,270 And I'm like, well, the melody needs like two syllables. 453 00:25:12,110 --> 00:25:14,330 Like, you know, two rhythmic beats or whatever. 454 00:25:14,530 --> 00:25:18,291 Like, okay, I'll just try to find a derivation 455 00:25:18,351 --> 00:25:20,710 that obviously, of course, makes sense. 456 00:25:20,810 --> 00:25:23,730 Like, I prioritize the fact that the derivation makes sense and stuff. 457 00:25:23,930 --> 00:25:25,710 And then I will evolve it. 458 00:25:25,750 --> 00:25:27,250 And I'll see how that feels. 459 00:25:27,310 --> 00:25:27,870 And I'm like, okay. 460 00:25:27,871 --> 00:25:31,170 Well, that sounds... that sounds like it fits. 461 00:25:32,330 --> 00:25:38,090 You know, I'm definitely, like, I definitely prioritize it being realistic 462 00:25:38,091 --> 00:25:41,303 when I'm coining new words, when I'm making the 463 00:25:41,343 --> 00:25:44,790 lyrics over, you know, oh, that sounds good. 464 00:25:46,510 --> 00:25:47,530 That sounds good. 465 00:25:47,650 --> 00:25:47,730 Yeah. 466 00:25:47,731 --> 00:25:48,731 So it'll just work. 467 00:25:48,770 --> 00:25:49,770 It'll just work. 468 00:25:50,610 --> 00:25:55,750 And, like, how much, like, documentation do you have on these languages? 469 00:25:55,910 --> 00:25:56,390 Mm-hmm. 470 00:25:56,391 --> 00:25:57,871 And how much development do you have? 471 00:25:59,350 --> 00:26:07,350 I mean, clearly, from what I have seen, you clearly are definitely not... 472 00:26:07,351 --> 00:26:09,310 You're not doing relexes here, definitely. 473 00:26:09,550 --> 00:26:09,870 No. 474 00:26:09,990 --> 00:26:12,290 You're doing full-on grammar stuff. 475 00:26:12,390 --> 00:26:15,510 But I just want to know, like, how much do you develop the languages 476 00:26:15,511 --> 00:26:22,510 beyond what's needed for a particular song or what you're working on at the moment? 477 00:26:22,830 --> 00:26:23,830 Yeah. 478 00:26:23,950 --> 00:26:27,433 Honestly, I develop the languages as much as possible. 479 00:26:27,826 --> 00:26:29,985 In a sense, the music is a bit of an afterthought 480 00:26:30,010 --> 00:26:33,050 because I'm like, wow, I've made this whole thing. 481 00:26:33,150 --> 00:26:34,510 Oh, what am I going to do with it? 482 00:26:34,970 --> 00:26:36,950 So I'll just... I'll make music with it. 483 00:26:38,490 --> 00:26:44,250 I... The language for the Mantis people that we were just talking about, that was... 484 00:26:44,251 --> 00:26:45,050 That's kind of my baby. 485 00:26:45,270 --> 00:26:47,290 I've been working on that since, I think, 2021. 486 00:26:47,910 --> 00:26:55,130 It was my first, like, big conlang project that I felt was up to at least some 487 00:26:55,131 --> 00:26:57,211 standards that I... That I now set for myself. 488 00:26:58,510 --> 00:27:03,850 So I have, like, a whole... It's a massive spreadsheet of documentation for me. 489 00:27:03,990 --> 00:27:06,377 I'm currently working on getting, like, 490 00:27:06,378 --> 00:27:09,930 actual public documentation that doesn't suck. 491 00:27:11,110 --> 00:27:17,041 Like I currently have for the one in my first conlang video. 492 00:27:18,370 --> 00:27:19,770 That's really cool. 493 00:27:20,810 --> 00:27:23,250 I want to switch tracks really quick. 494 00:27:23,530 --> 00:27:23,890 Mm-hmm. 495 00:27:24,190 --> 00:27:25,190 Um... 496 00:27:25,670 --> 00:27:31,170 Because you, in some of your earlier stuff that was 497 00:27:31,171 --> 00:27:35,950 before you leaned into the conlanging aspect a lot 498 00:27:35,951 --> 00:27:38,810 You had a lot of songs that were talking about... 499 00:27:39,730 --> 00:27:42,570 Well, you had a few songs that were talking about queer identity. 500 00:27:43,050 --> 00:27:43,530 Mm-hmm. 501 00:27:43,630 --> 00:27:49,950 And how has that been important in your music? 502 00:27:49,970 --> 00:27:55,415 And has that affected how you approached conlanging? 503 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:56,510 And is there... Are there... 504 00:27:56,511 --> 00:28:02,230 Are there things about that in the more conlang-centric music as well? 505 00:28:02,490 --> 00:28:03,490 Mm-hmm. 506 00:28:05,050 --> 00:28:06,865 That's a great question. 507 00:28:06,890 --> 00:28:09,425 Probably not intentionally. 508 00:28:09,450 --> 00:28:15,110 Um... You know, like, I could probably make some, like, connections of, like, 509 00:28:15,111 --> 00:28:22,171 oh, it was because of this and this kind of broad semantic word. 510 00:28:22,310 --> 00:28:25,330 But honestly, I mean, they're kind of separate things. 511 00:28:25,331 --> 00:28:26,331 I like... 512 00:28:26,510 --> 00:28:31,250 I make music to make music a lot of time. 513 00:28:31,490 --> 00:28:34,970 And sometimes, you know, I have an idea of, like, oh, I'll... 514 00:28:36,070 --> 00:28:38,922 I'll release some kind of album on Pride Month 515 00:28:38,923 --> 00:28:41,230 that's, like, based on the colors of the rainbow. 516 00:28:41,310 --> 00:28:43,425 And it's about my experience being LGBT. 517 00:28:43,450 --> 00:28:46,070 And I'm like, how can I fit a conlang in there? 518 00:28:46,290 --> 00:28:47,810 That wouldn't make sense. 519 00:28:48,310 --> 00:28:50,171 So I just... I just didn't. 520 00:28:51,230 --> 00:28:52,050 Um... Yeah. 521 00:28:52,130 --> 00:28:53,310 No, it's not... It's not really related. 522 00:28:53,311 --> 00:28:54,311 Uh... 523 00:28:55,790 --> 00:29:03,210 And I think in a way, like, I kind of like that freedom that I can write music in 524 00:29:03,211 --> 00:29:08,030 English or Japanese or something else without having that expectation of, 525 00:29:08,090 --> 00:29:10,970 like, oh, their next song is going to be in a conlang. 526 00:29:11,050 --> 00:29:12,130 And it better be. 527 00:29:12,710 --> 00:29:13,710 Um... 528 00:29:14,110 --> 00:29:14,590 Right. 529 00:29:14,670 --> 00:29:14,950 Right. 530 00:29:15,290 --> 00:29:18,390 But I definitely, like, am now starting to focus on the conlang stuff. 531 00:29:18,530 --> 00:29:18,770 Because... 532 00:29:19,110 --> 00:29:20,670 One, because I enjoy it. 533 00:29:20,710 --> 00:29:22,310 And two, people seem to like it. 534 00:29:22,311 --> 00:29:24,538 And that's cool. 535 00:29:24,810 --> 00:29:26,170 Well, I mean... 536 00:29:28,790 --> 00:29:33,970 You know, the business of being on YouTube, you got to have a gimmick, too. 537 00:29:34,110 --> 00:29:34,710 So... Yeah. 538 00:29:34,711 --> 00:29:36,565 I have a bit of a niche. 539 00:29:36,590 --> 00:29:37,348 Yeah. 540 00:29:37,373 --> 00:29:41,754 I... The reason I asked that question particularly 541 00:29:41,755 --> 00:29:44,491 is, like, a lot of my audience is queer. 542 00:29:44,630 --> 00:29:47,450 A lot of people in the community are queer. 543 00:29:47,710 --> 00:29:48,070 Yeah. 544 00:29:48,071 --> 00:29:52,030 Um... You know, I ran... I ran a conlang relay this year. 545 00:29:52,110 --> 00:29:52,290 Yeah. 546 00:29:52,310 --> 00:29:53,890 On... On YouTube. 547 00:29:54,170 --> 00:29:54,390 And... 548 00:29:54,510 --> 00:29:54,670 Yeah. 549 00:29:54,770 --> 00:29:54,970 I saw that. 550 00:29:54,971 --> 00:29:55,270 Like... 551 00:29:55,890 --> 00:29:56,890 So... 552 00:29:57,550 --> 00:29:58,730 And, like... 553 00:30:00,250 --> 00:30:01,250 This... 554 00:30:01,670 --> 00:30:03,610 Maybe I'm a little too old. 555 00:30:03,730 --> 00:30:05,670 And I didn't think about this beforehand. 556 00:30:05,850 --> 00:30:11,830 But I realized I had to add a pronouns column in my spreadsheet, so I could keep 557 00:30:11,831 --> 00:30:13,950 track of everybody's pronouns... Oh, yeah. 558 00:30:13,951 --> 00:30:15,930 ...and not make mistakes. 559 00:30:16,050 --> 00:30:21,790 But, like, just... It was not, like, totally deliberate. 560 00:30:21,870 --> 00:30:23,710 I mean... Not in who I contacted. 561 00:30:23,750 --> 00:30:23,990 Mm-hmm. 562 00:30:23,991 --> 00:30:25,870 In fact, there were people I didn't realize. 563 00:30:26,030 --> 00:30:30,590 But there are quite a few trans people in that playlist. 564 00:30:31,030 --> 00:30:32,030 Yeah. 565 00:30:33,210 --> 00:30:37,650 And, um, trans and nonbinary people in that playlist. 566 00:30:37,770 --> 00:30:43,970 And it's... So, it's just... That's how the community is, and it's, kind of... 567 00:30:43,971 --> 00:30:45,710 And it, kind of... 568 00:30:48,530 --> 00:30:50,450 It's, kind of, you know... 569 00:30:51,710 --> 00:30:52,270 Algorithm. 570 00:30:52,271 --> 00:30:55,551 Because of who gets higher in algorithms, you're 571 00:30:55,552 --> 00:30:58,810 not necessarily going to see that on YouTube itself. 572 00:30:59,110 --> 00:31:03,135 If you go into, like, Reddit and the Discord 573 00:31:03,136 --> 00:31:06,210 communities, you'll find lots of people, of course. 574 00:31:06,310 --> 00:31:12,670 But, you know, some of the more prominent voices, including me, are not necessarily 575 00:31:12,671 --> 00:31:15,090 representative of the community in that way. 576 00:31:15,810 --> 00:31:18,150 So I just wanted to voice that. 577 00:31:18,950 --> 00:31:19,950 Yeah, yeah. 578 00:31:21,290 --> 00:31:26,550 Yeah, I've definitely seen a lot of queer people in the community. 579 00:31:27,070 --> 00:31:30,870 Honestly, I'm not super involved in the community. 580 00:31:31,030 --> 00:31:32,030 Like, I try to keep up. 581 00:31:32,670 --> 00:31:39,090 But from what I see, the queer presence is very strong. 582 00:31:39,710 --> 00:31:40,230 Right. 583 00:31:40,310 --> 00:31:45,830 And if I was smarter, I maybe would try and make some kind of correlation. 584 00:31:45,910 --> 00:31:47,330 But I'm... 585 00:31:48,230 --> 00:31:52,590 I'm not going to pull something out there that I'm not confident in. 586 00:31:53,610 --> 00:31:56,680 But it is really cool to see, like, that community 587 00:31:56,681 --> 00:31:59,130 for people who are marginalized in that sense. 588 00:31:59,610 --> 00:32:00,130 Yeah. 589 00:32:00,190 --> 00:32:03,230 So I'm glad to be a voice in that, I suppose. 590 00:32:04,390 --> 00:32:06,550 But, well, anyway, let's... 591 00:32:07,470 --> 00:32:13,610 Moving back into, like, your conlanging, I really... 592 00:32:15,150 --> 00:32:17,370 Now, I'm not sure if I... 593 00:32:18,570 --> 00:32:24,650 The Cursed Conlang Circus may be completely over by the time I get this 594 00:32:24,651 --> 00:32:29,150 out, because we're recording this earlier, folks. 595 00:32:29,330 --> 00:32:32,650 But I do not have a whole lot of time to do editing. 596 00:32:32,770 --> 00:32:36,150 And I also, like, want to give space to some other things. 597 00:32:38,250 --> 00:32:40,970 But this should come out, like, first of the year. 598 00:32:41,050 --> 00:32:44,010 But I saw your entry in particular. 599 00:32:44,290 --> 00:32:44,890 Mm-hmm. 600 00:32:45,230 --> 00:32:47,850 And it was really... It was really interesting. 601 00:32:48,070 --> 00:32:49,110 It was one thing that... 602 00:32:49,850 --> 00:32:54,022 I was already, like, checking out your music 603 00:32:54,023 --> 00:32:58,851 and being interested in interviewing you. 604 00:32:58,876 --> 00:33:07,175 But, like, that particular idea with the, like, very 605 00:33:07,176 --> 00:33:11,156 amped up, like, over-the-top politeness system... 606 00:33:11,180 --> 00:33:11,430 Yeah. 607 00:33:11,510 --> 00:33:15,870 With so many different layers, like, historical layers to it. 608 00:33:17,310 --> 00:33:19,650 ...was very impressive to me. 609 00:33:19,950 --> 00:33:20,950 Oh, thank you. 610 00:33:21,230 --> 00:33:25,610 Could you tell me, like, where did you get the idea for that? 611 00:33:25,830 --> 00:33:26,250 Mm-hmm. 612 00:33:26,750 --> 00:33:34,750 And, like, the whole story for it, and also, like, the way that you developed 613 00:33:35,730 --> 00:33:39,887 with the history of the language and the 614 00:33:39,888 --> 00:33:44,731 differing levels of formality and 600 pronouns. 615 00:33:44,810 --> 00:33:45,210 Yeah. 616 00:33:45,270 --> 00:33:45,890 Yeah. 617 00:33:45,970 --> 00:33:48,870 I actually don't know what the real number is. 618 00:33:48,930 --> 00:33:50,280 It's definitely over 600. 619 00:33:51,430 --> 00:33:54,010 And that's, like, not counting the case forms of each of them. 620 00:33:56,110 --> 00:33:56,470 Yeah. 621 00:33:56,570 --> 00:34:00,565 So, I had the idea for that language, I want 622 00:34:00,566 --> 00:34:03,370 to say, like, a year and a half beforehand. 623 00:34:03,730 --> 00:34:05,730 And by that, I mean I had a shell of it. 624 00:34:05,830 --> 00:34:11,890 Like, it was, like, I had the idea of, oh, I would like to make a language with a 625 00:34:11,891 --> 00:34:15,770 Polynesian -style-type phonology, and it's polysynthetic. 626 00:34:16,010 --> 00:34:17,130 And I made... 627 00:34:17,310 --> 00:34:20,468 Like, a beta version of the syllabary for it, 628 00:34:20,493 --> 00:34:22,811 and then it kind of collected dust for a while. 629 00:34:23,190 --> 00:34:27,310 And I wanted to join the Cursed Conlang Circus. 630 00:34:28,510 --> 00:34:29,726 So, eventually, that got announced. 631 00:34:29,750 --> 00:34:31,446 I was like, okay, well, what am I going to do? 632 00:34:31,470 --> 00:34:32,910 I need to figure out what I'm doing. 633 00:34:35,690 --> 00:34:41,045 And I had always wanted to do a conlang showcase, but I never really did. 634 00:34:41,070 --> 00:34:42,546 Something about it just didn't feel right. 635 00:34:42,570 --> 00:34:44,851 I wanted to do something different, something interesting. 636 00:34:45,570 --> 00:34:51,190 So, the theme for... Well, one of the themes was tell a story in there. 637 00:34:51,310 --> 00:34:53,810 And I was like, ah, that's how I can do it. 638 00:34:53,850 --> 00:34:57,030 Because I wanted to do it somehow diegetically, rather than, like, 639 00:34:57,050 --> 00:35:04,891 omnipotent God explaining how the whole region and all the languages work in there. 640 00:35:06,450 --> 00:35:11,587 So, I ended up thinking about, like, how can I make 641 00:35:11,588 --> 00:35:16,850 something that would work still like a conlang showcase? 642 00:35:18,091 --> 00:35:25,030 But incorporate the language and the world into some kind of plot. 643 00:35:26,150 --> 00:35:27,290 "Plot", in quotes. 644 00:35:27,510 --> 00:35:27,730 Right. 645 00:35:27,870 --> 00:35:30,590 And so, I ended up coming with... 646 00:35:31,090 --> 00:35:34,770 I had this shell of a language that I had made before. 647 00:35:34,830 --> 00:35:35,670 And I was like, oh, cool. 648 00:35:35,750 --> 00:35:37,390 I'll develop that for this. 649 00:35:38,490 --> 00:35:42,830 And it turned into the whole formality thing when I was thinking of, oh, 650 00:35:42,850 --> 00:35:46,251 well, what if I was given the... The... 651 00:35:46,850 --> 00:35:48,310 The... The... Basics of the language. 652 00:35:49,010 --> 00:35:51,870 And then, turns out that was the informal version. 653 00:35:51,950 --> 00:35:53,630 And I've been rude to them the whole time. 654 00:35:55,050 --> 00:35:57,770 And then that kind of snowballs as it does. 655 00:35:58,510 --> 00:35:59,510 Yeah, yeah. 656 00:35:59,790 --> 00:36:00,790 As it does. 657 00:36:01,910 --> 00:36:08,030 And I kind of kept thinking about, like, how can I take this formality thing, 658 00:36:08,150 --> 00:36:11,730 like, to the extreme while still being naturalistic? 659 00:36:13,450 --> 00:36:15,190 Naturalism is something that I really enjoy. 660 00:36:15,370 --> 00:36:17,170 And I haven't seen a ton of conlangs. 661 00:36:17,310 --> 00:36:18,710 It would go in the cursed category. 662 00:36:18,870 --> 00:36:20,870 That's, like, inherently naturalistic. 663 00:36:20,930 --> 00:36:22,950 So, I wanted to do something like that. 664 00:36:24,190 --> 00:36:28,970 So, I thought about formality and, like, relationships and things. 665 00:36:29,650 --> 00:36:33,010 So, that's where I came up with the relationship forms for each of the names. 666 00:36:33,270 --> 00:36:34,450 It came from Japanese. 667 00:36:35,342 --> 00:36:38,656 Aka-chan, aka-kun, senpai. 668 00:36:38,681 --> 00:36:40,788 All of those kind of endings. 669 00:36:41,530 --> 00:36:44,670 And I was like, well, how can I push this to the extreme? 670 00:36:46,530 --> 00:36:47,530 And... 671 00:36:48,070 --> 00:36:51,470 That's when I thought about, oh, I can include that as part of the other things. 672 00:36:51,550 --> 00:36:54,225 And that's where the etymology of all of those 673 00:36:54,226 --> 00:36:57,791 verb forms and adjectival forms came from. 674 00:36:58,610 --> 00:36:59,610 So, I... 675 00:37:00,250 --> 00:37:03,892 It really started with the, like, tell a story 676 00:37:03,893 --> 00:37:06,971 as something that I wanted to do for a long time. 677 00:37:07,378 --> 00:37:11,310 So, that's... I guess that's where that kind of came from. 678 00:37:12,270 --> 00:37:17,660 What I'm understanding is, like, you had the prompt, tell a story. 679 00:37:18,773 --> 00:37:27,870 And the idea was, how can you make the language itself the conflict of the story? 680 00:37:28,210 --> 00:37:28,730 Yeah. 681 00:37:28,850 --> 00:37:29,410 Yeah. 682 00:37:29,550 --> 00:37:29,870 Yeah. 683 00:37:30,370 --> 00:37:35,730 And then, from there, you decide, oh, we'll do a politeness system. 684 00:37:36,370 --> 00:37:43,250 And that becomes, like, a plot point in the thing. 685 00:37:43,293 --> 00:37:47,153 Because, you know, you have to actually learn the politeness 686 00:37:47,250 --> 00:37:49,690 system in order to interact with people. 687 00:37:49,750 --> 00:37:50,290 Right. 688 00:37:50,390 --> 00:37:51,390 Right. 689 00:37:51,415 --> 00:38:00,090 And then, you make it cursed by adding layers of historical cruft to it. 690 00:38:00,270 --> 00:38:04,350 And, like, way too many forms to memorize. 691 00:38:04,870 --> 00:38:05,150 Oh, yeah. 692 00:38:05,290 --> 00:38:06,030 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. 693 00:38:06,130 --> 00:38:08,050 Tons of suppletion. 694 00:38:08,090 --> 00:38:09,090 Yeah. 695 00:38:09,180 --> 00:38:10,330 All of those things. 696 00:38:10,730 --> 00:38:15,510 All with the CV structure. 697 00:38:16,930 --> 00:38:19,090 Normal, quote, "normal" phonology. 698 00:38:22,090 --> 00:38:26,930 And, yeah, because, like, I had an idea of building on that with, like, oh, 699 00:38:27,010 --> 00:38:30,301 you know, what if I've gotten this far, but I've 700 00:38:30,302 --> 00:38:33,090 called this person the wrong form of their name. 701 00:38:33,310 --> 00:38:37,470 And then I'm back to square one of, like, well, I don't know anything anymore. 702 00:38:38,370 --> 00:38:38,810 Yeah. 703 00:38:38,930 --> 00:38:45,430 But that was a great thing about that video, is that it just, like, keeps going. 704 00:38:45,870 --> 00:38:46,130 Yeah. 705 00:38:46,390 --> 00:38:52,390 Like, at first, it's like, okay, you get these notes from the Chinese researchers. 706 00:38:52,850 --> 00:38:55,370 And then you go to that dimension. 707 00:38:55,730 --> 00:39:00,870 And you find out, well, the sounds are a little bit different because they're tree 708 00:39:00,871 --> 00:39:03,470 people, but we'll just represent it this way. 709 00:39:04,070 --> 00:39:08,930 And then, well, actually, I've been using informal forms the whole time, 710 00:39:08,950 --> 00:39:14,510 and I need to learn the correct forms in order to not offend people constantly. 711 00:39:14,710 --> 00:39:15,170 Yeah. 712 00:39:15,430 --> 00:39:21,170 And then from there, it's like, oh, okay, there's, like, this, 713 00:39:21,250 --> 00:39:24,950 like, historical underlayer to the politeness registers. 714 00:39:25,190 --> 00:39:29,110 And then there's some words that are always polite, always informal. 715 00:39:29,230 --> 00:39:35,850 And then it goes into, oh, and then these cyborg trees have a completely different 716 00:39:35,851 --> 00:39:40,450 register that cannot be understood by humans. 717 00:39:40,790 --> 00:39:41,790 Yeah. 718 00:39:42,010 --> 00:39:43,010 Yeah. 719 00:39:43,050 --> 00:39:45,190 It just keeps going. 720 00:39:45,191 --> 00:39:45,410 Yeah. 721 00:39:45,430 --> 00:39:46,870 And going and snowballing. 722 00:39:47,230 --> 00:39:47,585 Yeah. 723 00:39:47,610 --> 00:39:50,390 And I think that that makes the story even better. 724 00:39:51,818 --> 00:39:52,298 Yeah. 725 00:39:52,323 --> 00:39:57,030 Part of the idea was, I want to make something that you have to keep going 726 00:39:57,031 --> 00:40:01,050 through different layers in order to get to the right meaning. 727 00:40:01,130 --> 00:40:02,930 And that's where the idioms came from as well. 728 00:40:04,530 --> 00:40:07,201 Because I wanted to kind of obscure meaning as much as 729 00:40:07,202 --> 00:40:11,710 possible while somehow staying, quote, naturalistic. 730 00:40:12,663 --> 00:40:12,965 Yeah. 731 00:40:12,990 --> 00:40:15,590 So we had all of the different... 732 00:40:15,591 --> 00:40:17,238 So we had all of the different forms on anything, plus 733 00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:19,290 the polysynthesis of everything, plus all the idioms. 734 00:40:19,750 --> 00:40:21,670 I go through the steps. 735 00:40:22,650 --> 00:40:24,910 That's where that came from in the video. 736 00:40:27,050 --> 00:40:32,310 And, like, you say you don't actually know how many pronouns there are. 737 00:40:32,590 --> 00:40:32,950 I don't. 738 00:40:32,951 --> 00:40:38,479 Like, is there, like, is it an open class of pronouns? 739 00:40:38,850 --> 00:40:41,510 And you just, like, haven't made all of them? 740 00:40:41,690 --> 00:40:42,970 I just haven't made all of them. 741 00:40:43,030 --> 00:40:43,470 Yeah. 742 00:40:43,670 --> 00:40:44,050 Yeah. 743 00:40:44,090 --> 00:40:45,090 I've counted. 744 00:40:45,091 --> 00:40:45,230 I've counted. 745 00:40:45,231 --> 00:40:46,391 There has to be at least 600. 746 00:40:47,630 --> 00:40:50,330 I've made... Actually, I don't know how many I've made. 747 00:40:50,750 --> 00:40:53,298 You can look on the, Lughati Portals 748 00:40:53,299 --> 00:40:55,670 website, slash 78H, in the pronouns section. 749 00:40:55,890 --> 00:40:59,550 And I've made all of the pronouns relative to the first and the second person. 750 00:41:00,270 --> 00:41:04,550 All the pronouns relative to the third person, I haven't made yet. 751 00:41:04,610 --> 00:41:13,671 Because, I mean, we haven't done enough research on those yet to... 752 00:41:14,491 --> 00:41:15,065 to... 753 00:41:15,090 --> 00:41:16,450 to put them down in the graph yet. 754 00:41:17,190 --> 00:41:19,470 Because they take so long. 755 00:41:19,950 --> 00:41:25,330 Because I have to historically evolve each of them and think about their evolution of 756 00:41:25,331 --> 00:41:29,250 all those things and add supletion and add those exceptions and things. 757 00:41:29,370 --> 00:41:31,790 And I'm like, well, this... Is this a homonym of anything? 758 00:41:32,250 --> 00:41:33,610 It's a homonym of this word. 759 00:41:33,730 --> 00:41:34,730 Okay, what is this? 760 00:41:36,370 --> 00:41:37,670 Lots of... Lots of steps. 761 00:41:37,910 --> 00:41:39,870 So, there's at least 600. 762 00:41:40,150 --> 00:41:42,550 I have done the math to figure that out, at least. 763 00:41:43,450 --> 00:41:44,450 Yeah. 764 00:41:45,090 --> 00:41:50,548 Another thing about your work that I find interesting is you 765 00:41:50,549 --> 00:41:54,050 have a particular way of going about constructing scripts. 766 00:41:54,350 --> 00:41:56,610 In that you basically... 767 00:41:57,970 --> 00:42:03,282 You say that you basically take a font and you just, like, 768 00:42:03,322 --> 00:42:06,390 change some things, delete some things, modify some things. 769 00:42:06,650 --> 00:42:07,130 Yeah, yeah. 770 00:42:07,230 --> 00:42:12,690 Can you talk about, like, how did you come up to that idea for making your scripts? 771 00:42:13,030 --> 00:42:13,770 Yeah, yeah. 772 00:42:13,830 --> 00:42:14,870 Not all of mine. 773 00:42:15,090 --> 00:42:17,367 Two of the languages in my next video are 774 00:42:17,427 --> 00:42:20,650 going to be, like, fully, like, I drew that. 775 00:42:20,770 --> 00:42:21,770 Stuff like that. 776 00:42:22,630 --> 00:42:23,630 But... 777 00:42:25,050 --> 00:42:26,930 So, I was doing that for a little bit. 778 00:42:27,050 --> 00:42:30,490 I was working... I use Birdfont, which is a font program. 779 00:42:30,750 --> 00:42:33,559 It's free, which is incredible. 780 00:42:35,930 --> 00:42:39,150 And, like, that was all fine and good and I was doing that and it was fine. 781 00:42:39,630 --> 00:42:43,750 But I found that I'm not a vector artist by any means. 782 00:42:44,276 --> 00:42:48,724 I can draw, like, a handwritten font in Photoshop 783 00:42:48,725 --> 00:42:51,270 and then, you know, convert it to vectors. 784 00:42:51,370 --> 00:42:54,980 But if I wanted something that was a little more 785 00:42:54,981 --> 00:43:00,470 techie, per se, like the font in O'EAIĀ, you don't... 786 00:43:01,090 --> 00:43:04,170 You know, you can't just, like, write that out in Photoshop. 787 00:43:04,310 --> 00:43:09,730 That's not going to look techie enough, at least in my experience. 788 00:43:09,850 --> 00:43:19,465 So, I was like, well, Birdfont allows me to import fonts to just 789 00:43:19,466 --> 00:43:24,511 look at and edit and do whatever I want with. 790 00:43:24,906 --> 00:43:31,550 So, I, you know, went on Google Fonts, fonts that are free for commercial 791 00:43:31,551 --> 00:43:35,210 personal use, commercial and personal use, I should say. 792 00:43:35,590 --> 00:43:38,324 And, you know, you look at their license and stuff and they're 793 00:43:38,325 --> 00:43:41,250 like, you can modify this font and use it however you want. 794 00:43:42,490 --> 00:43:44,710 So, I've been doing that. 795 00:43:44,830 --> 00:43:48,590 It's a lot easier for me because I'm, like I said, I'm not a vector artist. 796 00:43:49,750 --> 00:43:54,610 And honestly, like, the fonts are so mangled to a point where, like, 797 00:43:54,650 --> 00:44:00,050 I had a couple of people find the original font for O'EAIĀ and they were like, 798 00:44:00,110 --> 00:44:04,270 this feels so weird looking at it in English because it just feels so different. 799 00:44:05,010 --> 00:44:06,010 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 800 00:44:06,690 --> 00:44:11,410 But, like, I imagine, like, you are finding... 801 00:44:12,850 --> 00:44:14,610 You're finding characters that... 802 00:44:14,830 --> 00:44:15,610 Oh, yeah. 803 00:44:15,810 --> 00:44:19,790 ...are approximate, like, approximately what you want in modifying them. 804 00:44:19,870 --> 00:44:26,978 But, like, the underlying system is, like, a fully realized conscript that you. 805 00:44:26,979 --> 00:44:26,890 .. 806 00:44:26,891 --> 00:44:29,570 that is built for that language, right? 807 00:44:29,690 --> 00:44:30,550 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 808 00:44:30,590 --> 00:44:32,470 So, I make the script beforehand. 809 00:44:32,730 --> 00:44:34,650 Like, I scribble it out in Photoshop. 810 00:44:34,810 --> 00:44:39,610 I'm like, okay, this is this syllabic character or whatever, this shape because 811 00:44:39,611 --> 00:44:43,210 it came from this logogram or, you know, whatever the history is behind that. 812 00:44:43,970 --> 00:44:44,670 And then... 813 00:44:44,830 --> 00:44:48,790 I take that shape that I've decided is going to 814 00:44:48,791 --> 00:44:52,351 be the letter, the glyph is the correct term. 815 00:44:53,230 --> 00:44:55,610 And then I look at the font and all of the 816 00:44:55,611 --> 00:44:57,970 glyphs that are available to me in the font. 817 00:44:58,070 --> 00:45:02,225 And I say, okay, which one of these can I modify the 818 00:45:02,226 --> 00:45:05,151 easiest to look like what I want it to look like? 819 00:45:05,410 --> 00:45:09,090 Generally, I'm able to get it close enough with... 820 00:45:11,290 --> 00:45:14,480 Sometimes with a lot of modification. 821 00:45:15,630 --> 00:45:20,090 But, yeah, it always starts with, like, this is what I want it to look like 822 00:45:20,091 --> 00:45:22,030 because this is where it historically came from. 823 00:45:22,050 --> 00:45:25,330 And then I modify stuff to make it look like that. 824 00:45:26,010 --> 00:45:26,530 Yeah. 825 00:45:26,930 --> 00:45:31,510 Well, I mean, if it's a process, it works. 826 00:45:31,690 --> 00:45:33,190 And that... 827 00:45:34,030 --> 00:45:36,670 I did not know that piece of it. 828 00:45:36,850 --> 00:45:40,632 So, you are, like, doing the work of even drawing 829 00:45:40,633 --> 00:45:43,851 it out and doing the historical development of it. 830 00:45:44,660 --> 00:45:50,780 But then you take an existing font and you find something 831 00:45:50,781 --> 00:45:54,031 that you can turn into the character you already drew. 832 00:45:54,270 --> 00:45:54,630 Yeah. 833 00:45:54,710 --> 00:45:59,210 That's an interesting way to go about it. 834 00:45:59,290 --> 00:46:02,786 And something that, you know, maybe some other 835 00:46:02,787 --> 00:46:07,030 conlangers out there might want to do something similar. 836 00:46:07,170 --> 00:46:12,450 This can be an inspiration for people who want to get into making scripts. 837 00:46:12,790 --> 00:46:14,630 But are not... 838 00:46:14,730 --> 00:46:21,470 I'm not as confident about free drawing in SVG programs. 839 00:46:21,610 --> 00:46:23,970 I know that I have some... 840 00:46:25,610 --> 00:46:28,190 First time in a long time doing a script. 841 00:46:29,270 --> 00:46:36,630 I did scripts earlier on, but let's not talk about that too much. 842 00:46:36,810 --> 00:46:44,710 But, like, for Ndăkaga, like, I intentionally was choosing something where I... 843 00:46:44,735 --> 00:46:50,967 where I would have limited, like, strokes that were 844 00:46:50,968 --> 00:46:56,530 easy to create in order to make that first script. 845 00:46:56,990 --> 00:47:00,450 Next one... Next one is for fae. 846 00:47:00,850 --> 00:47:01,490 Yeah. 847 00:47:01,570 --> 00:47:05,930 I'm not going to be able to do that kind of thing for myself. 848 00:47:06,336 --> 00:47:07,903 That sounds squiggly. 849 00:47:07,970 --> 00:47:09,350 I'm going to have to... 850 00:47:09,351 --> 00:47:14,390 I'm going to have to think about what kind of aesthetic I'm going to do for that. 851 00:47:14,430 --> 00:47:15,730 But... Yeah. 852 00:47:15,970 --> 00:47:20,247 Depending on what you want, that seems like it 853 00:47:20,287 --> 00:47:23,270 can be an effective, like, method for doing it. 854 00:47:23,310 --> 00:47:24,910 So it's really interesting. 855 00:47:25,030 --> 00:47:28,850 And it's a different process than what I have seen other people do. 856 00:47:29,030 --> 00:47:34,490 Which is, you know, that's a great thing to highlight. 857 00:47:34,550 --> 00:47:38,610 Because there are many different ways to do conlanging. 858 00:47:38,770 --> 00:47:43,250 Like, do you... It seems like you do do some historical development. 859 00:47:43,410 --> 00:47:46,070 You do, like... Historical method for conlanging. 860 00:47:46,350 --> 00:47:46,790 Yeah. 861 00:47:46,890 --> 00:47:47,150 Yeah. 862 00:47:47,470 --> 00:47:49,286 Honestly, that's, like, probably my favorite part. 863 00:47:49,310 --> 00:47:51,932 Is, like, making a proto-language and then trying 864 00:47:51,933 --> 00:47:54,090 to see how I can get it to evolve in different ways. 865 00:47:54,150 --> 00:47:55,150 It's really fun. 866 00:47:55,630 --> 00:47:56,070 Yeah. 867 00:47:56,550 --> 00:47:57,550 But... 868 00:47:58,310 --> 00:47:58,750 Yeah. 869 00:47:58,830 --> 00:48:01,230 So... A lot of people do that. 870 00:48:01,850 --> 00:48:02,850 Not everybody. 871 00:48:02,890 --> 00:48:03,890 But, yeah. 872 00:48:05,170 --> 00:48:10,470 And it's interesting to see different ways of doing things. 873 00:48:11,670 --> 00:48:12,850 You did say... 874 00:48:13,650 --> 00:48:14,710 You have said... 875 00:48:15,850 --> 00:48:16,850 In... 876 00:48:17,750 --> 00:48:22,330 Before... That you tend to write your melodies first and then lyrics. 877 00:48:22,690 --> 00:48:23,690 Mm-hmm. 878 00:48:25,430 --> 00:48:26,430 And... 879 00:48:27,150 --> 00:48:30,310 So, when you are writing the melody, are you still... 880 00:48:30,311 --> 00:48:35,590 Are you already thinking about, though, what kinds of melodic structures 881 00:48:35,591 --> 00:48:38,610 work best for the language you're going to put to it? 882 00:48:39,350 --> 00:48:40,350 Generally, yeah. 883 00:48:40,710 --> 00:48:41,270 Yeah. 884 00:48:41,330 --> 00:48:41,470 Yeah. 885 00:48:42,270 --> 00:48:44,310 I will think about, like, certain... 886 00:48:45,590 --> 00:48:46,390 Word patterns. 887 00:48:46,470 --> 00:48:49,350 Like, if I have... I have a language that's... 888 00:48:50,490 --> 00:48:53,250 The stress is always at the end of the word. 889 00:48:53,390 --> 00:48:54,210 Or the... Yeah. 890 00:48:54,250 --> 00:48:55,250 Like, the... 891 00:48:55,490 --> 00:48:57,210 The last syllable in the word, I should say. 892 00:48:57,830 --> 00:49:01,610 So, I think about the melody and I'm like, okay, well, if I want this kind of melody 893 00:49:01,611 --> 00:49:05,099 to sound like this in this language, I need to make 894 00:49:05,100 --> 00:49:08,750 sure that I have words that will fit in that structure. 895 00:49:09,470 --> 00:49:12,130 So, it's a little bit of back and forth sometimes. 896 00:49:12,530 --> 00:49:14,450 But, for the most part, I do do the melody first. 897 00:49:14,730 --> 00:49:17,010 With that, at least broadly in mind. 898 00:49:17,370 --> 00:49:18,370 I... 899 00:49:19,910 --> 00:49:23,045 It's a lot easier to get something sounding musical 900 00:49:23,046 --> 00:49:26,050 than it is to get something that sounds like... 901 00:49:27,270 --> 00:49:32,770 I have a text that I've already written and I need to put it to some kind of melody. 902 00:49:32,830 --> 00:49:36,010 At least in my workflow, it's easier to have the melody first. 903 00:49:36,390 --> 00:49:37,550 And then... Yeah. 904 00:49:37,990 --> 00:49:39,030 Get stuff that fits. 905 00:49:40,030 --> 00:49:40,470 Yeah. 906 00:49:40,890 --> 00:49:41,330 So... 907 00:49:41,750 --> 00:49:45,970 And then you can sort of... Write the lyrics to match it. 908 00:49:46,050 --> 00:49:46,290 But... 909 00:49:47,010 --> 00:49:48,450 That is interesting. 910 00:49:48,630 --> 00:49:49,630 Sort of... 911 00:49:49,710 --> 00:49:55,204 I can imagine you talked earlier about, you know, if you have 912 00:49:55,205 --> 00:49:58,530 differences in vowel length, differences in syllable weight. 913 00:49:58,650 --> 00:49:59,050 Yeah. 914 00:49:59,110 --> 00:50:03,226 That can affect, like, you need to put some longer 915 00:50:03,251 --> 00:50:07,590 duration notes into there on those syllables. 916 00:50:07,970 --> 00:50:14,710 Or if you've got... I imagine, like, initial stress versus final stress. 917 00:50:14,730 --> 00:50:15,730 Mm-hmm. 918 00:50:15,850 --> 00:50:19,090 That would affect where you would put an accent in a line. 919 00:50:19,330 --> 00:50:19,670 Yeah. 920 00:50:19,810 --> 00:50:20,250 Right? 921 00:50:20,610 --> 00:50:21,250 Yeah, yeah. 922 00:50:21,290 --> 00:50:22,670 Where it would go in the rhythm. 923 00:50:23,150 --> 00:50:23,590 Yeah. 924 00:50:23,650 --> 00:50:26,046 If it's an on-beat, then that's going to sound more stressed. 925 00:50:26,070 --> 00:50:27,070 Even if the... 926 00:50:27,970 --> 00:50:29,665 It's said with equal stress. 927 00:50:29,690 --> 00:50:33,250 It being on an on-beat will feel more stressed. 928 00:50:34,010 --> 00:50:34,450 Right. 929 00:50:34,490 --> 00:50:36,046 Because of how we interpret rhythm and stuff. 930 00:50:36,070 --> 00:50:37,070 So... 931 00:50:37,310 --> 00:50:37,750 Yeah. 932 00:50:37,790 --> 00:50:37,930 Yeah. 933 00:50:38,730 --> 00:50:39,730 That's... 934 00:50:40,690 --> 00:50:41,690 Music theory. 935 00:50:42,010 --> 00:50:42,870 on Conlangery here. 936 00:50:42,990 --> 00:50:43,070 Yeah. 937 00:50:43,071 --> 00:50:44,071 Music theory. 938 00:50:45,090 --> 00:50:48,570 But it is... It is very interesting. 939 00:50:50,770 --> 00:50:51,910 Do you... 940 00:50:52,990 --> 00:50:59,330 So, I mean, you kind of mentioned, like, you want it to sound nice to humans. 941 00:50:59,390 --> 00:51:04,930 But do you actually think about, like, whether these aliens have any 942 00:51:04,931 --> 00:51:09,519 differences in their own conception of music 943 00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:13,270 theory that would make it into your music? 944 00:51:13,650 --> 00:51:14,230 Yeah. 945 00:51:14,231 --> 00:51:14,610 Yeah. 946 00:51:14,730 --> 00:51:20,850 So, you were talking earlier about the cyborg register in ʻŌʻiʻeʻa. 947 00:51:21,950 --> 00:51:26,030 That video, I talk about the seven-tone pitch system that's in there. 948 00:51:26,490 --> 00:51:27,490 So, normally in... 949 00:51:29,950 --> 00:51:33,542 Normally in music theory, we have 1, 2, 3, 4, 950 00:51:33,622 --> 00:51:36,790 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 notes per octave. 951 00:51:37,010 --> 00:51:38,850 And that's just the standard for Western music. 952 00:51:39,910 --> 00:51:40,910 But... 953 00:51:41,750 --> 00:51:44,650 You know, that's... It's not entirely an arbitrary number. 954 00:51:44,730 --> 00:51:45,730 Trying to put this back. 955 00:51:45,990 --> 00:51:50,239 It's not entirely an arbitrary number, but really, I mean, 956 00:51:50,240 --> 00:51:54,670 cultures can come up with any ways to divide the octave. 957 00:51:57,190 --> 00:51:59,550 So, 7 just made sense for them. 958 00:51:59,670 --> 00:52:00,830 They have base 8. 959 00:52:02,670 --> 00:52:05,450 So, all of their music is in this seven -tone system. 960 00:52:05,590 --> 00:52:08,910 So, they only have seven tones per octave instead of the 12 that we do. 961 00:52:09,050 --> 00:52:11,630 So, it might sound a little weird and wonky to us. 962 00:52:12,050 --> 00:52:14,350 So, it's 7 and not 8? 963 00:52:14,990 --> 00:52:15,990 Yeah. 964 00:52:16,250 --> 00:52:16,690 Okay. 965 00:52:17,070 --> 00:52:18,070 Oh. 966 00:52:19,330 --> 00:52:26,010 So, it's like less than... So, it hits the octave at the seventh one? 967 00:52:26,310 --> 00:52:27,790 It hits the octave at the eighth one. 968 00:52:28,430 --> 00:52:29,070 Oh, okay. 969 00:52:29,210 --> 00:52:34,130 So, it's like A, B, C, D, E, F... 970 00:52:35,630 --> 00:52:36,310 Wait, yeah. 971 00:52:36,430 --> 00:52:37,430 E, F, A. 972 00:52:38,590 --> 00:52:39,030 Okay. 973 00:52:39,330 --> 00:52:44,170 But it's not those notes in the way that we would know them. 974 00:52:44,850 --> 00:52:46,959 Okay. 975 00:52:46,984 --> 00:52:52,270 But it's different from a diatonic scale. 976 00:52:54,570 --> 00:52:58,550 Let me Google diatonic scale. 977 00:52:59,670 --> 00:53:01,970 It's different from a major or minor scale. 978 00:53:02,290 --> 00:53:02,770 Oh, yeah. 979 00:53:02,830 --> 00:53:03,630 Well, yeah. 980 00:53:03,750 --> 00:53:04,810 In a sense, yes. 981 00:53:05,610 --> 00:53:07,970 Because it's just those seven notes. 982 00:53:08,010 --> 00:53:10,090 There's no divisions of it. 983 00:53:10,190 --> 00:53:13,570 As you can see, I am very well versed in music theory. 984 00:53:14,850 --> 00:53:16,070 No, it's fine. 985 00:53:16,071 --> 00:53:18,270 But, yeah, it is different. 986 00:53:19,090 --> 00:53:20,090 Yeah. 987 00:53:20,510 --> 00:53:23,790 So, that is interesting. 988 00:53:26,830 --> 00:53:27,830 Right. 989 00:53:29,103 --> 00:53:38,150 So, there's like a little bit of a difference in how they construct a scale. 990 00:53:38,230 --> 00:53:38,790 Mm-hmm. 991 00:53:39,130 --> 00:53:39,690 Yeah. 992 00:53:39,770 --> 00:53:43,990 And so, that by itself can work. 993 00:53:44,730 --> 00:53:49,730 I was just interested because, yeah, you can have... 994 00:53:50,540 --> 00:53:54,554 I mean, there's lots of different scales in the 995 00:53:54,555 --> 00:53:57,490 real world, in our own various different cultures. 996 00:53:57,670 --> 00:54:01,050 There are different ideas about rhythm. 997 00:54:01,350 --> 00:54:06,330 There tend to be some universals that I think probably would carry over. 998 00:54:06,430 --> 00:54:09,210 But there's a lot of variation, right? 999 00:54:09,470 --> 00:54:09,570 Yeah. 1000 00:54:09,670 --> 00:54:10,710 I try to get that balance. 1001 00:54:11,150 --> 00:54:11,670 Yeah. 1002 00:54:11,671 --> 00:54:15,950 The song that we were playing earlier is a good example of the rhythm thing. 1003 00:54:16,710 --> 00:54:19,750 That's in the... it's like one, two, three, four, one, two, three, 1004 00:54:19,770 --> 00:54:21,810 four, one, two, three, one, two, three, four. 1005 00:54:22,030 --> 00:54:27,371 And that pattern continues, which isn't very conventional in this in this dimension. 1006 00:54:27,990 --> 00:54:30,710 Yeah, I figured that would be another example to pull out real quick. 1007 00:54:31,950 --> 00:54:35,650 Right, so one, two, one, two, three, four. 1008 00:54:39,420 --> 00:54:40,180 It's fifteen. 1009 00:54:40,181 --> 00:54:41,181 Fifteen. 1010 00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:45,720 So it's like a 15/16 like thing? 1011 00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:52,300 It can be interpreted as 15/16 sort of, but it's more like four beats, 1012 00:54:52,460 --> 00:54:54,840 four beats, three beats, four beats. 1013 00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:55,060 Okay. 1014 00:54:55,200 --> 00:55:01,080 But it can also be interpreted as five beats of 3/4, or three beats of 1015 00:55:01,081 --> 00:55:05,900 5/4, depending on how the song is kind of structured rhythmically. 1016 00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:07,560 Oh, interesting. 1017 00:55:08,020 --> 00:55:08,960 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1018 00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:12,980 So that kind of makes it sound at least like that three-four part makes it sound 1019 00:55:12,981 --> 00:55:18,214 not as odd to us, but then still hits you with like, oh, 1020 00:55:18,215 --> 00:55:21,480 oh, and you get that little otherworldly feel in there. 1021 00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:23,100 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1022 00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:31,160 That is interesting to just throw that in like a slightly different rhythmic 1023 00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:39,840 structure that I don't think that's super common to take out that... 1024 00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:40,940 that particular way. 1025 00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:42,600 If it is, I've not heard of it. 1026 00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:51,160 Yeah, but yeah, let's... well it's been interesting talking to you. 1027 00:55:51,540 --> 00:55:57,160 And yeah, we're recording this beforehand. 1028 00:55:57,380 --> 00:56:00,040 I don't know what the result of... 1029 00:56:00,860 --> 00:56:05,060 the Cursed Conlang Circus is going to be, but good luck on that part. 1030 00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:07,740 And good luck with your channel. 1031 00:56:07,900 --> 00:56:08,540 Thank you. 1032 00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:10,641 It seems like it's... Yeah. 1033 00:56:10,666 --> 00:56:18,060 It's doing very well right now, but it's, you know, it's a process. 1034 00:56:18,260 --> 00:56:19,576 It's a process. 1035 00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:20,600 It takes a while. 1036 00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:28,460 But it was really great to talk to you about your 1037 00:56:28,461 --> 00:56:32,240 music and about how you fit conlangs into it. 1038 00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:36,400 Anything, any last thoughts you have? 1039 00:56:37,140 --> 00:56:39,620 Anything you want to point people to? 1040 00:56:41,963 --> 00:56:43,876 Anything I want to point people to. 1041 00:56:43,900 --> 00:56:48,300 Let's see, I've, I've got a new video coming. 1042 00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:49,400 I guess I will. 1043 00:56:49,401 --> 00:56:51,160 Yeah, I'll talk about this. 1044 00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:53,240 I got a new video coming out. 1045 00:56:53,660 --> 00:56:54,940 Probably February. 1046 00:56:55,340 --> 00:56:56,340 I'm not sure yet. 1047 00:56:56,780 --> 00:56:59,300 By the time this video comes out, hopefully I will be more sure. 1048 00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:03,411 But it will be a continuation of the same kind of 1049 00:57:03,412 --> 00:57:05,980 format that I did in in the Cursed Conlang Circus video. 1050 00:57:06,140 --> 00:57:10,000 I'm making that into a series and I'm going to 1051 00:57:10,001 --> 00:57:10,000 have a bunch of music that I'm going to play. 1052 00:57:10,020 --> 00:57:11,340 That comes out with each episode. 1053 00:57:11,420 --> 00:57:13,200 At least that's the plan right now. 1054 00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:15,200 So keep an eye out for that. 1055 00:57:15,780 --> 00:57:22,340 I'm working on a lot of stuff, a lot of music, lots of conlang stuff. 1056 00:57:22,420 --> 00:57:26,543 Are we going to have more of you as as your 1057 00:57:26,544 --> 00:57:29,720 bird avatar shifting to different dimensions? 1058 00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:31,200 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1059 00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:35,940 Yeah, I'm hoping that there will be an overarching plot. 1060 00:57:37,380 --> 00:57:39,360 That is that is kind of the plan right now. 1061 00:57:40,020 --> 00:57:41,020 On something for that. 1062 00:57:41,140 --> 00:57:42,140 But the. 1063 00:57:43,500 --> 00:57:46,400 We'll see, that's currently in the, in the in the works. 1064 00:57:47,620 --> 00:57:48,660 That's that's great. 1065 00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:55,360 Well, any any final thoughts for for for everyone out there? 1066 00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:59,440 Any advice you have to other colleagues, maybe advice 1067 00:57:59,441 --> 00:58:02,221 to other musicians who want to write conlang music? 1068 00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:03,400 Mm hmm. 1069 00:58:03,540 --> 00:58:04,060 Yeah. 1070 00:58:04,260 --> 00:58:05,260 Yeah. 1071 00:58:06,580 --> 00:58:07,620 If you. 1072 00:58:08,860 --> 00:58:09,900 Oh, advice. 1073 00:58:09,901 --> 00:58:17,060 If you want to, if you want to make something, like, Google it, search it up 1074 00:58:17,061 --> 00:58:18,909 on YouTube or something like chances are there's 1075 00:58:18,910 --> 00:58:20,860 there's going to be something out there for it. 1076 00:58:21,020 --> 00:58:26,440 Because like, I didn't know conlanging was like a thing until I, after like 10 years 1077 00:58:26,441 --> 00:58:30,080 or whatever, actually searched it up and found so much stuff. 1078 00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:33,500 And now I'm making stuff that I wouldn't have thought to make before. 1079 00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:37,201 So there's the whole internet of resources out 1080 00:58:37,202 --> 00:58:39,680 there as long as you have an internet connection. 1081 00:58:39,900 --> 00:58:44,140 So if you want to make something, search it up. 1082 00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:45,880 Someone's probably already taught you how. 1083 00:58:47,260 --> 00:58:52,020 Yeah, that's, that's definitely my take on things. 1084 00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:56,140 Or maybe things, maybe sometimes things come to you. 1085 00:58:56,200 --> 00:59:03,380 Because like, I like, I started, I started making some of my own music a little bit. 1086 00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:05,100 I just do instrumental stuff. 1087 00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:07,200 I haven't done conlang stuff with it. 1088 00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:08,040 Yeah, I've heard it. 1089 00:59:08,060 --> 00:59:09,060 Yeah. 1090 00:59:10,860 --> 00:59:17,007 But that was just from me getting suggested music theory 1091 00:59:17,087 --> 00:59:21,300 videos on YouTube, and then going down a rabbit hole. 1092 00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:23,240 And I'm like, I'm just gonna write some stuff. 1093 00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:25,580 Yeah, yeah, it's, it's, it's fun. 1094 00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:27,020 I'm always making stuff. 1095 00:59:27,620 --> 00:59:28,160 Yeah. 1096 00:59:28,380 --> 00:59:28,920 Yeah. 1097 00:59:29,220 --> 00:59:31,600 But that's, that's really good advice. 1098 00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:34,220 And thank you ZeWei for coming on. 1099 00:59:34,380 --> 00:59:35,140 Thank you. 1100 00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:39,380 Go to, go, go to find ZeWei on YouTube. 1101 00:59:39,381 --> 00:59:41,765 If you're watching this on YouTube, I'll have, 1102 00:59:41,865 --> 00:59:46,580 have the, the, the channel, like, added there. 1103 00:59:48,300 --> 00:59:50,920 But, yeah, thank you for coming on. 1104 00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:52,100 And happy conlanging. 1105 00:59:52,101 --> 00:59:52,660 Thank you for having me. 1106 00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:53,800 Happy conlanging. 1107 00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:58,300 Special thanks to my patrons on Patreon. 1108 00:59:58,460 --> 01:00:03,040 If you go over there right now, you can get early access to episodes. 1109 01:00:03,500 --> 01:00:07,060 You can get access to scripts for my solo episodes. 1110 01:00:07,380 --> 01:00:14,020 And you can... 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