Welcome back to the ITV podcast, the original and still the best New Zealand mountain bike podcast, brought to you by the World Championship, winning Max's ties and Fox suspension.

They got the rainbows, they got it done with Jackson Goldstone, but we'll get on to that when we get there.

Mexus toys also took a clean sweep of the entire elite men's podium.

And I worked out got 7 out of the 12 podiums across the elite men woman and the juniors as well.

So kudos to Mexus, but will chance it's coming.

It's gone and it was a bit of a I don't know what to say about that race.

It was an intriguing one.

But tonight we've gone back to the original and still the best Co host.

It's just me and red dog here at the moment.

Hi, Red Dog.

Good day, Kerry.

Great to be here.

Would you say we're on skeleton staff tonight?

It.

Is a very skeleton crew.

We're hoping to have a celebrity guest call in anytime now if he manages to get off the bus but that's all right we'll get going.

We'll get started.

But yeah, we reckon Red Dog it was.

I thought the race, the racing was good, but I don't know, the whole broadcast was kind of boring.

I was the I guess the racing was good, but they do shoot themselves in a foot in the foot a little bit with how they end up ordering a day like.

Is that that's what it came down to, I think in the end, wasn't it?

It's just the.

Stupid seating order.

Yeah.

And I mean, they probably, I guess no one probably had Henry Kaifer going as fast as he did and kind of blowing that up a little bit as well.

But still with the.

Use of you about that.

He's coming to get you.

Really.

Yeah.

Fabian knew.

Fabian knew Henry was going to go there fast.

I'm sure he did.

I'm sure he did.

He he it is very Fabian to have to be going this fast at.

Just at World.

Champs.

World champs, yeah.

So Henry's he's been.

Fast This year, though, he's either been on the ground or he's like been quite fast, but it's.

Very barell though, isn't it?

Like he would just churn it up for one race a year.

It is, but yeah, I don't know it was AI found it like a painful watch between the commentary, the seating order.

I don't know, it just it, it was like, I mean, call me a hypocrite, call me what you want, but I was sitting there kind of just wishing to listen to Rick and Carlson talk over each other.

You are at that point were you was the World Championship knocking on the door and were you answering Karen?

Wow, that could have been a world championship running, 1 championship winning run we just saw or was we just we're on at the moment.

It was a lot of that.

Dude, it gave me shades of the free cast of days because even the footage was kind of crap.

The footage wasn't as good, was it?

No, it's like the dappled light made it bad too, I think.

Yeah, it just was shades of it.

I hate to say it, but I think it actually highlighted how good the Warner Brothers coverage is.

I know that's what I thought as well.

I mean everyone complaints about it, but it maybe gives you an idea of how far things have actually come.

Yeah, yeah, I was watching it and I was like, man, the UCI, whoever they've got putting on this broadcast does not hold a candle to what Warner Brothers have actually been delivering this year.

I mean, number of cameras I suspect was down.

Just the the footage in general wasn't great.

It was nothing.

You couldn't really tell how riders were making up any time.

It was kind of hard to watch.

Yeah, yeah.

And there was a bit of a, I don't know, their track just looks beaten down as well.

I feel like it's down to it's down to like a bedrock base and there's nothing left.

There's nowhere else they can take it.

There's no, it's a one line.

Like clearly there's one line down without going, you know, they can't even go 4 meters off to the left and now throw some sections And like that didn't legit, there was nothing to it and they just looked kind of rubbish.

Yeah.

I mean, it still looks steep and very like aggressive, I guess.

But there's no way really for them to go.

They're all riding the same, largely the same line.

I mean, Jackson did that thing at the top, but that wasn't really, I don't think that was the difference.

Just looked a bit cooler it.

Was pretty cool, though.

Got me pretty mixed up.

Yeah.

I mean, by all accounts, other than the fact that it was like deadly when it was weird from people I talked to who had been riding it prior to the race, it sounded like it was really fun, like a few people I talked to.

And now like, man, it's it's it's awesome just doing apps on it.

It's really fun.

But I mean, it looked pretty brutal to race.

Yeah, it did, and there's actually some bird crashes too, and you see some of the footage off.

It's unforgiving, eh?

So to go fast is still gnarly.

Oh yeah, I think the catch Nets might have been the stars of the show.

Oh yeah, the.

Amount of the amount of footage of people stuck in catch Nets and trying to get their bikes out was astounding.

Yeah.

Do you think it's it's sort of living off its reputation from was it 2007?

Yeah, I mean, O 7 was the first time it got raced, wasn't it?

That was, and I mean that was a, that was a pretty drastic change, I would say in tracks at that point as well.

Yeah, we hadn't seen anything to that level of steepness.

And then when it rained, it was just cooked.

Yeah, yeah.

And I think it was a lot less built out, wasn't it?

It was very raw.

Yeah, it's funny, a few of the spots I noticed there's just spots where you'd see footage from and you could all of a sudden pick, you know, like where it was compared to say like 07 or whatever because the track hasn't changed and you're like men.

There was no berm in that corner in O seven.

It was just a flat turn and it's like it's it's clearly, you know, been bike parked to a certain, you know, so to.

Speak like I went there in 2010 and it had even changed then.

Like it was far more like benched out and boomed up and then I went back just on a trail bike and 2017 and it was like it was dry.

But it's completely rideable on a trail bike.

It's nowhere near it.

Can't be anywhere near the beast of O7.

Nah, no.

Do you think it's done?

Do you think they should like do you think race, do we need more races on that track?

Can we go somewhere new?

I mean, it's the first race in forever on it.

Yeah, it was 2011, the last race there, Or has it been another one between?

I think it was, I think it was world champs and that was it.

Is it like O 711?

And O 710.

O 7/20/10 and 11.

Yeah, 10, you're right.

And it's, it's been wet just about every year they've raced it like 11.

Was pretty much.

Horrendous.

I'm pretty sure 10 was.

10 was wet.

Yeah, 07 was wet, and I mean the Elites, at least it was pretty dry when they raced here, but man, what a record.

What about you?

Just wet every time.

Did you see that?

Oh my God, Remy Tyrion.

He's the only person who's raced every race there.

Really.

Was he back in 07?

Yeah, he was.

He would have been first year junior in 07 I reckon because he was on the podium at worlds in 08 with Brycelyn at.

True.

Was he on a son by chance?

He was on, he was on a son, I reckon.

Yeah, yeah.

That was that rebirth of son around that.

Period.

Yeah.

Wow, that's crazy.

All the time and he was flying.

I was watching him at practice and I'm like, man, he looks good.

Like he.

I know he's such an operator when it gets deep like that.

I can't imagine doing like, I think what, we've got two kids.

Yeah, man, I can't imagine doing that.

No way.

He's got to be 3034 ish I guess at this point.

He wouldn't be as old as Danny, right?

Nah, Danny's a little bit older than him.

Yeah, pretty sure.

Yeah.

But on the racing actually my first note I've got it's just a generalization, but I just wrote pump track is a joke.

World Championship thoughts.

Did you see?

I saw a clip of the guy who won and I was mostly focused on what he was wearing.

It was a real hybrid, like I don't know what was going on.

Yeah, I don't.

I hate it.

But was he looking for arrow gains?

Maybe we should like say this for Leicester, actually, because he might.

Leicester will probably know.

Yeah, Leicester, marginal gains, period.

He'd be better to fill us in on that.

Do you think he waxed the pump trick?

Guy waxed this chain.

Well, would it make any difference if you're not peddling though?

Bound to.

It has to make it true, yeah.

Maybe on the airflow?

On the airflow.

It was weird.

I'm not it was it's it's strange.

No, it's.

Very strange.

What's more, What's more like mountain biking though?

That or the trials.

Oh, but Trials has been around forever.

Yeah, it's it's old schools.

Yeah, it's weird, but it's old school.

Is there a New Zealand like national champs of?

Trials.

I don't know if anyone still rides Trials in New Zealand.

I've it's never been in a national champ, so here's that.

I don't think so.

Flight into KB's personal deems if you know of a time when.

The closest Nationals, the closest thing I remember to Trials was was World Champs in O6 and Rotorua.

That's the only time I've seen like Trials up close in that aspect.

Yeah, yeah, Trials.

What a what a time.

Wonder maybe they have their own scene.

Could, I mean, maybe it's just something we don't know about.

I'm going to have to do a deep dive into this.

Yeah.

Pedicure our deep dive on trials.

Yeah, find out for us.

Right.

Should we talk about racing?

Which, I mean, one day we might have another guest host, but fuck man, Jackson was on this weekend.

There was.

He was fine.

It was, I reckon it was his to lose and the only one I thought that might challenge him was Ronan Dunn.

It just felt like their track, right?

Yeah, and Ronan, I would.

I watched his run and it felt like an 80% Ronan run.

It didn't.

It didn't feel like his Leger run.

Nah.

Like it just, it felt like he was just cruising almost like I know wasn't, but it looked from the outside I was like, man, he looks so in control and calm.

There was no moments.

Yeah, I agree.

It was.

Yeah.

It looked very kind of reserved, although it's hard to tell, but not quite that craziness you'd expect.

First elite world downhill podium might be the first medal ever actually I think for Ireland and 1st German World Championship downhill middle and the late men's from Henry Kiefer as well.

Really.

Yeah.

What about Jurgen Binneke?

Oh, I didn't think about Jurgen.

I don't know.

I have to go and look this up there.

I'll do some research in the background.

He terrorized the East Coast as well.

Jurgen Binneke, he was just lurking around on the US East Coast.

Yeah, but I beat him at the Pennsylvania State Super D Chance in 2000.

9.

Yeah, I think he got sick and actually he was still a beast.

And he was like, he's probably 40 at that point.

Yeah, What was he doing over there?

Terrible.

Marcus, Marcus Klausman, that was who I went looking for, but he didn't get any podiums except for injuries.

Yeah, but that that podium was quite young.

They were all like 2220, like between, I think Ronan was the oldest at like 20-3 maybe and even Jordan Williams in there too for the top 4.

So it was a pretty young, pretty young front of the field.

Like it's a real changing of the guard at the moment.

Oh OK, here's some.

I've got some stats here and I'm only focusing on roots and rain.

So he got 6th at world champs in 92?

Is that France Bromont?

Oh yeah, on the front side of the hell, I'm pretty sure.

Yeah, on the water park side.

He got second at a World Cup.

Where's some more world chance?

5th and France, I think.

And 97.

Oh, I don't know.

You might be right here, Kerry.

Yeah.

You might be right.

Hang on.

It's sea.

This sea where he stacks up on the East Coast here.

When were you getting amongst the East Coast?

2010, seven to 10:00-ish.

Oh, here we go, Kieran Bennett Platyko when?

It's a real staple of the East Day.

Oh.

That was a great race.

You got fifth there actually in 2010.

Beat down.

Look at Beniki too.

Look at the look.

Hold on, hold on, from the top of my head Andrew Nathling 1.

Yes.

Justin second.

No, Justin was third.

Or Bryn Atkinson second.

He was.

Justin third.

Duncan Riffle, 4th.

Yes, last started line up there, right.

Yeah, that was my first race that season.

Showed up straight to the East Coast on a on a tomac at Platy.

Yeah, Platyka was sick.

I need to loose rocks.

East Coast rocks.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Shout out to one of our listeners, Max, who was messaging the other day who's at East Coast E Coaster, and we were discussing play.

As you said, that was his local.

Really.

Yeah.

What's good Good that we've got some East Coast people listening.

I mean that probably terrorized with you giving it to them, you know, between 07 and 2010.

I'll be really happy if someone messages one day and says that they were at Blue Mountain, Pennsylvania in 2009.

That will be my by crowning glory.

Yeah, shut the pod down after that.

Yeah, we've gone well sidetracked, which is not surprising one, but.

I think the fan the the listeners wanted to hear about you and Benicki.

I think they, I know, I know.

Nathan Sharrett was probably hanging out for that chair.

There's a few people who are probably now also going to search who you can.

Benicki was, yeah, but yeah.

He's almost to be your dad, kids I.

Don't know if you've got any results in front of you from the weekend, but who was your biggest surprise in the top ten?

Dylan Maples or Simon Sheppalay or Dakota Norton after the fact that he was barely walking at the start of the.

Week broken off Maples.

No, because he's been showing some speed.

He's just been injured, eh?

Yeah, he's something with his hand, I think.

Yeah.

My head, I think it was on Wins WIN TV, he said.

He tapes his hand, puts a glove on, tapes over top of the glove and then puts a wrist brace on.

That's how.

Ridiculous.

Ridiculous.

Wristers.

I guess, I guess I would probably say to Deck.

Yeah, if you're looking at it from that injury point of view, it's pretty gnarly.

That was a gnarly injury.

Silent Chapoli has just got that real.

That's like that real Euro thing.

It's like going to the Italian Alps and just getting beaten down by doing the white helmet.

That's true.

He won.

He won euro chance this year though as well.

So he's kind of one of those guys that's under the radar.

I think come through.

Oh, I was going somewhere with it, but I have not gone there because I've totally gone.

Oh, so here's AI.

Don't know whether this is even really this isn't team rumors.

This is Kerry's team theories.

World Cup teams now are allowed to have four riders in the in each class.

Yeah, that's that's the Max I can have so.

Yeah.

Currently the Commons are Markov team in the late has Floris, Emery and Maples but then they have Max until Oren moving to a late next year so surely that's Maples out the door.

I reckon surely as my pulls out the door.

But he's got to be, he's got to be a pretty, you know, like sought after writer at this point, I reckon.

Yeah, it depends how that injury develops.

Like if he sorts that out, he definitely will be.

But I feel like he's been coming on this season.

You know, it's not like it doesn't feel like it's held him back.

Like I think he's only improving at this point.

Yeah, absolutely.

I would like to see a showdown between the brothers like a.

Oh yeah.

Like, you know, like.

An audition type of thing.

Like take them to the test track and whoever lays down the fastest run gets the ride gets the ride.

Yep.

Or all the.

Other actually all of them.

They'll be awesome.

Oh yeah, put all, put all five of them in there.

And televise it too.

They should put it on their like YouTube channel or something.

That would be good TV.

They've got like a facility, don't they?

That'd be sweet.

I think they do.

They've got and.

It's Max comments are just yelling at them as well.

Like just berating them.

And whichever rider does not make the cart has the mechanic for the season.

Yes.

Or drive the truck.

I think be the truck driver.

It would be a good showdown.

Yeah, it'd be a great showdown.

Ride of the day that I was most impressed with, and I'm going to jump across classes now.

Was Miriam McCall.

I did not see that coming.

OK, I have some some something controversial to say about that run.

Yeah.

I I was rooting for Valley Debater.

Now here's why.

It's because I have PTSD from French days AKA Fabian Burrell.

Just gearing up for one race a year and then coming down and giving my favorite rider, AKA Sam Hill at the time, hell and beating him.

And that's why when a French person who hasn't really featured all year because of legitimate reasons comes down to even like absolute Stormer, I'm always like, no, it can't happen.

I can't have it.

It wasn't even like she was off training for this race.

It's just the fact that she's been hurt, yeah.

I but it was an incredible run.

Holy, it was great.

Did you see she qualified 40th because three people didn't finish or something?

So she was she was literally the last person to make the cut.

Is that because she got under the umbrella though?

Is that was she playing the rain game?

No, I think she crashed.

I think she got stuck in a net.

Oh yeah, true.

Crazy Yeah so there was 3 did not starts and the elite woman in in finals on Sydney A qualifying at least and where they actually do cut people off.

She was literally because those people didn't start.

She made it in and then pulls off and.

Say no.

That was wild.

But I was, yeah, I was pretty impressed with that run.

But man, what a what a race for Valley to finally win this season.

She hasn't won since world champs last year.

I know it's wild.

Absolutely wild.

She seemed, yeah, pretty in disbelief.

Really.

Well, she was pretty slow down the bottom, like she was in the last two seconds.

Yeah.

Like she was really fast at the top and then just started fighting, which is crazy.

Yeah, yeah, it's, it's been here.

Yeah, Her issue all year, really.

Who you reckon ends up with a bigger one Bonus her or the girl that won?

Junior woman's?

Probably the junior woman.

Can't imagine the YT.

Bonus is coming through anytime soon.

From the cube time, yeah.

I mean the YT bonus on paper is probably really good.

Theoretically speaking.

It's just when you when you go to cash that cheque, it might bounce.

Yeah, yeah.

Probably not so good.

I thought we're going to see more out of Gracie Hemstrip.

Me too, I would have probably put my money on here to be honest.

Yeah, I kind of was like, this is another one of those gnarly tricks that she's just gonna like, absolutely haul the mail on.

But Nah, it didn't happen.

Yeah, I agree.

It was.

I certainly, certainly thought that it was coming, but Nah.

And even when she was down the first couple of spits, I was like, that's all right, she'll probably make that back.

And yeah, yeah, just didn't build on it.

I mean, everyone was quite a much of A muchness through those first two splits.

There was not much in it for the first couple anyway.

Yeah, Yeah, we've also.

I mean, I've just glossed over the fact that Marine Cabaru again came back for a podium after what?

She broke her back.

Broke her back.

Yep, That's not.

It is very gnarly.

He's it's very, very impressive, especially there too.

It's a risky game going fast there.

Oh yeah, you see some of those sections like just some of the rock, like the the, the hill corner, like they're just jumping over this like icy rock and having to land basically into like a rut.

Yeah, and rail the corner looks like, is that that fast one?

The fast, right?

Yeah, they got the.

One where Laurie's leg got mints mated in the back of the.

Block.

Yeah, yeah, they look straight into the tree.

Sucked.

There was some real good footage from Eddie on his edible TV.

He just basically sat in that corner for quite some time and there was so many crashes in there.

Really.

Oh, it looks.

Good good footage.

Scrolling on down.

Great to see Ellie put together a run in Junior Woman's.

Yeah, I was staying with it.

She looked good too, but I think fair, fair player.

What's the girl's name we want?

Reza Reza Zeal.

Yeah, she look, Peter.

She was flying.

She's been, yeah.

I mean, she's been on all season.

Did you see that everyone that won is also leading the World Cup points?

Yeah, yeah.

It's kind of pretty interesting.

Just liable then.

Yeah, Yeah, it's not, but super.

Common either, I wouldn't have thought.

No, no.

And kind of all of them look pretty well poised to potentially carry on and win the overall.

Like they'd be quite crazy if we win 4 for four, you know, like 4 world champions, 4 World Cup titles.

That would be that'd be unprecedented.

I don't think would be anything ever close to that before.

No, I mean, I'm sure it's there's been like dominant, dominant years.

Like if you think of the hell years, there'd be a lot of years like PD nut even like like Gwen.

It's weird that he never won a world champ, say.

How long have I been saying that he would never win a world champs for?

I feel like going to and this.

Well, he's not going to now, but this goes back to his dominant years.

I'm sure like if we went back through our if we, if we download the logs and found our text from like, I don't know, 2011, I'm sure you'll find one somewhere that says for me saying that he'll never win world champs.

Yeah, and my probably me debating it and saying if he does he only beers that it's I remember probably the closest he got was it Leo gang and it had like a brake failure or something.

It was weird.

Oh yeah, not far down.

Nah, maybe it was a motorized.

Trek.

While it still had the trees, maybe yeah, he just like.

I think it's down where the stumps are now.

Yeah, he like ran wide or something and that was kind of it.

Like it was really weird.

Did he?

I don't know if he ever even podium did a wheel champs.

Oh, that's a hicc of a stair, surely.

Let me Here we go, World Championships.

Surely.

Nah, Nah, Dad.

Has got to be the one of the strange outcomes I reckon.

Yeah, so.

Oh, no, sorry.

He did.

He got 1/3 at Cairns in 2017.

Oh.

OK.

But that's that's it.

That's it.

Which is insane.

Especially because he was like, well he's second in all time ones.

He got a fourth in 2010 at Mont St.

Inn.

Yeah, well, he couldn't handle.

Hill there, Yeah.

No, not.

Not When Hill came back with his tats, that was.

No one could handle it.

No, it was.

It was stoppable.

There was such a season.

He came in.

He came into that year, yeah.

And he was fat.

He was fathill like he was.

He was not in shape.

No.

And then he came back and he was like.

He was in shape.

Head heaps of tits in one worlds and shorts.

Oh, and shorts.

Yeah, Oh.

What a day there and he was like Kit was like the all white kit, obviously, yeah.

White Troy Shorts Brosnan.

Brosnan won junior men and and UFO Kit.

Yeah, he did.

He was running UFO that year.

Yeah, that was, that was odd actually.

To ask him about that, Why were you running UFO?

When's?

He going to come on the pod.

Should get him on, that'd be a nice.

Question.

I feel like he would fit quite well, you know, like kids older, you know, in his 30s.

Yeah.

Like he would.

Yeah.

An older gentleman.

I don't know if he's into, I don't know if he's found his way into like endurance cycling like we have yet though.

No.

Did you say the mayor?

Any footage from the marathon?

It looked fucked.

5000 meters of climbing.

Over like was that like 120 KS or something with 5000 meters?

And they were like, the only footage I really saw was Kagan.

Yeah, Kagan Swenson, who won it running up like a goat Trek.

Yeah, there's like AI saw them all pushing up like this, scrave gravelly crept like at the top of a peak.

It wasn't even a track.

Nah, it's just like a tall we'll just go run.

Up this way.

Oh, and I like going through towns and.

Stuff like.

Downstairs and things.

That was weird.

What a race.

Absolutely insane.

Shout out to our Santa Cruz teammate though, checking Swenson taking the win.

Shout out yeah, on a hard tower too.

Yeah, yeah, it's a bold move.

Yeah, Genuine.

We haven't got that far yet.

I'm scrolling down through the results as we go.

Other other than Max Oren, just been absolutely fucked.

Like, that run was mental.

Yeah.

Tyler White's just solid as a rock, always there, always on the podium, knocking on the door.

It's great to see.

You love to see it.

I'm looking forward to seeing what he does in Elite.

Yeah, somewhat it's it's a pretty good.

We've got a good era of kids at the moment with like Lucky already pretty well established in Elite.

Yeah.

Tyler, who's right there there thereabouts.

Ollie Clark, who's just, like, can throw a rundown.

Jaunty Williamson, who's just getting better.

And better palm his own, yeah.

Yeah, but yeah, it's Ollie in 4th and Jaunty in 5th as well.

So that was pretty cool to see those.

I'm.

Gonna have a bit of a year next year I reckon.

Those two jaunty in.

Ollie.

Well, Ollie's gonna be a late next year.

Oh.

Ollie goes up.

Hey.

Oh yeah.

Yeah, Jaunty's under seven.

Well, he'll be under more his first year under 19, Yeah.

And then Malik, who's got a broken skateboard or something at the moment, so he's missed the last couple of races.

He'll be under 19 still as well.

OK, but But yeah, with like Max, Orrin, Tyler, Till, Ollie, yeah, all those guys, ISA all moving up, that's kind of jaunty's world.

Everyone else is just living in it.

Yeah, what about Sippy?

Where?

Where's Ocado's own?

Sippy had a decent race.

He had Solomon.

He was 19th.

I thought it was.

He broke his chain guide I think pretty much straight out of the start, something like that.

So it had a bit of a had a bit of a mechanical issue the whole way down.

Banners over there for the New Zealand team.

I'm actually not too sure.

Not too sure what's going on with that side of things.

Max's run, though, circling back to that.

So junior men raced on Saturday and then elected qualifying that afternoon.

Yeah.

And it's, it's the closest you're going to get in terms of comparing times.

And obviously qualifying wasn't like super necessary for the elites because it.

Didn't mean all that, but yeah.

He was still faster than Jackson's qualifying time like.

He's risking it, I.

You know, like a few episodes ago I said maybe there needs to be an under 23 class.

I have totally flip-flopped Red Dog.

I think we need, I think we need to get rid of the juniors.

Just put them back in the lake.

Get them in there, get them in there.

It'll be awesome.

What a storyline.

Like, you know, that'd be great.

Even if you know, even if the top five under nineteens who try qualify or race, you know like even if say 1st and 2nd and under 19 are like in the top ten, but the other three 31st, 32nd, 33rd or whatever.

Just probably even.

Start.

Still have five of them in there guaranteed or whatever.

Guaranteed, yeah.

But you imagine, like, how good it would be if all of a sudden, you know, like, you've got Max Oren as a junior, whatever.

Mixing it up, mixing it up that'd.

Be cool.

I think it would just are we good?

I mean, you'd look back at like, I mean, This Is Us just going back in the history books.

But like when green dog podium did Peela as a junior, like that was pretty much didn't really happen back then.

And that was that was awesome.

That was such a big deal.

Yeah, huge deal.

That's fantastic.

Yeah, it's so I don't know.

It's, I just think we could get them on a level playing field.

Yeah, put them in there.

Yeah, agree.

Do you think Max is going to win next year?

Is he going to do a Jackson and Jordan?

Oh yeah, I think.

You think so?

I think he can win a race, yeah.

OK.

Another year, another year stronger, another year faster.

What about Tyler?

I like.

I like where Tyler's at.

I reckon Tyler will be the guy who would like just sit inside the top ten.

He'll start hovering around in the top ten and he'll just get better and better, kind of like Locky did.

And then you'll start, give me a couple of years and then you'll start throwing some results in.

I think it's important that he maintains like consistency and good equipment, probably like it's real key.

Did you like the paint jobs on the unis this weekend?

Just like like the just I mean the classic.

I'll call it.

Retro.

But yeah, yeah, I thought they looked good.

It's to me.

Some gave me some throwbacks to the the 2000s.

Yeah, it was like the Blinky and Justin era.

Yeah, they had those painted that cool.

Yeah, I agree.

They could have.

Maybe next year.

They could have, although they're not aluminium like the remember they had like raw aluminium ones for a while.

Yeah, those 3 threes were all prototypes.

Yeah, that'd be cool.

Yeah, that would be cool.

Lucky.

Speaking of Lucky, such place in qualifying.

He looked like he was on it, but got a rear flat.

So that's how I started going down.

Oh.

Did he?

Yeah, yeah.

So that kind of kind of killed his momentum, like looks like it went down and down, you know, kind of slow slowly towards the end of the track.

But because he he started slowing down kind of like from midway, you can see his split start getting further and further back.

But man, he's, he's got so much pace.

Once this all comes together.

Whoa, special guest.

The man.

Yeah, hopefully.

Is this working?

Can you hear me?

Yeah.

We got you, We got you.

Nice, nice this.

Is great.

Now we've got some credibility to come to the podcast and yeah, being Red Dog don't just have to pretend like we know what we're talking about.

Yeah.

And I Jurgen Binicky, doesn't he sell?

He sells like he's got like a bike storage company.

Jurgen Binicky.

Does you've missed the you've you've missed the Jurgen Binicky chat, but please add to it.

Yeah, I just know.

I just know that he sells bike hooks or like some kind of bike storage.

Oh, really?

Oh, like storage solutions?

Yeah, yeah.

Awesome.

Right.

Where?

Where are we at guys?

Well, we've kind of, we've kind of been making our way through the results.

We've, we've talked about kind of every class, but I mean we've got a man now who was actually there on the ground.

So there's a few questions we can throw back to you.

How fucked was it when it rained like that?

Looked deadly.

Yeah, it's pretty deadly because it's there's not much soft material on shampoo anymore.

We're just, we were talking about that.

It looks like it's down to the bones of it.

Yeah, yeah.

So it's real hard pack, you know, it's obviously had years and years of traffic down it and I don't like I've only ever ridden down at once when we're doing like a bit of a booze ride that passports tour of the place away on a yeah, on a child bike.

So I didn't really have much to go off, but shit, it's pretty bloody steep.

A So yeah, I was, I was like, wow, it is.

It's the real deal when it comes to a steep track.

And then yeah.

So if you add water, that kind of gradient and hard pack clay based, but a little bit of rock, it's pretty it's pretty hairy.

Yeah yeah.

But like the the berms and stuff are so established now that you can kind of like slot it like lock and it's like kind of get to that kind of slot car.

And like if you watch if you watch the Gopros and stuff, it was quite funny.

I you could see.

A rat forming for each day, but the rats just crept higher and up, higher and higher up the Bims.

So on the last day, yeah, they looked like there was a lot of problems with like front wheels going off the edge of turns and things like that.

Feeble grinds, the feeble grind cause were quite entertaining.

I enjoyed those.

But I felt like there was a lot of front wheel pushing off the side of the tracks like we haven't seen for a while.

I think I think of a lot of it as just the margin for error in terms of breaking in the apex of the corner was so small that if you were on the back brake at that like apex, then the bike would get stood up.

And it was just standing people up because we were like trying to, I don't know, like analyze the technique or like where you're like breaking zone needs to be on a few of these, like serious corners.

But the only advice like I could give to our riders was just like, just don't.

You just can't break in the corner.

But then but then they're trying to slow down and it's like, well, it's so easier said than done.

It was a very easy track to be a backseat driver on.

Way easier than way easier than being the actual driver, yeah.

But the Sam Hill corner provided quite a bit of entertainment on Ed Bull TV.

If anyone hasn't watched that, go and watch that.

Was that from qualifying day or was that from practice on the morning of Like you?

Were parked up there for a while.

No, funnily enough, that's only That was only about 5 minutes that I was there.

5 minutes of chaos.

Yeah, that was actually I, I had the camera rolling the whole whole time.

Like I cut it, cut it up a bit, but you could have uploaded the whole thing as just its own one take because.

It was just so good.

It was just.

Never ending.

But then with the practice sessions only being like an hour long, Yeah, you just kind of, I was just like making my way down the hill on each one because you don't really just get stuck up there when it finishes.

But yeah, 11 standout guy for me was number 96 Finn Brands, the guy from the Netherlands.

Yeah, I was.

Actually hit him on my notes, he was the star of WIN TV also and I just found him real amusing because he's just like dude hood race cyclocross.

He's only been racing a few years, like racing downhill.

So I didn't know I hadn't connected number 96 to the this guy yet, but I was like at each day coming back.

I mean, like I was like, honestly, there's a dude out there with upside down forks on a zeroed.

I don't know what nationality or he's on a zeroed and he was just like ripping.

He was getting real sketchy and like, you know, blowing off course and stuff.

But in terms of raw track speed and doing some like pretty insane, you know, like railing the tops of corners, but like in the the whole way around in the red zone.

Yeah, every day, every day.

It was the same guy who was like impressing me and it was number 96 in this like pretty random cat.

And it turns out he's from the Netherlands.

But yeah, shout out, shout out to him and doing it and doing it on a zero with some Dorado's, I think.

Yeah, that's awesome.

Yeah, real flexi front end.

Yeah, big time.

I asked Red Dog this out of.

I'll ask you this one.

Red Eddie, who was your stand out of the top ten?

I picked 3 names out.

Or who was the biggest surprise, Maples, Simon Chapoli or Dakota Norton, based on the fact that he was barely walking at the start of the year?

Yeah, definitely give Deck some credit for making such a remarkable recovery because, like, it's unreal.

He had a hip injury and you know, it's that's kind of a key moving part when it comes to hurling down the hill.

Quite.

Yeah.

It's always kind of cool when you like, it really means a lot to him.

He's quite an emotional.

But like, yeah, that's it's, it's not like it's a show because he's pretty consistent with it.

So it's it's like cool, yeah.

And then I mean, yeah, Maples is a good one because I'm, as far as I understand there's well, yeah, it's this can be a lot of things happening at common style.

There's no there's no seat at no seat at the table for him, by the looks of it we discussed.

Yeah, when the all rounds get a bodrants dinner.

Yeah.

Yeah, Musical, musical.

Cheers.

And I think when there's only four seats, it's going to have to find something else that'll definitely help her stock price.

Yeah.

Which is cool when you see people making making it happen at the right time because it's kind of what you got to do.

Speaking of making it happen at the right time, Valley Hall, Andy, Andy Cole showing some serious speed, but obviously going down the white.

The Whitey Riders were showing their stock, you know, showing the value of their stock at least, which was good too.

I know.

Yeah, Andy, it's that line that Andy was doing this little like grass hawk fun.

Obviously Remy Terry on kind of like pioneered it, but it's like he just kind of forgot to hop or he was too keen on the fable.

Because it was fast section to go down and.

Yeah.

So he he came out of it really well.

Yeah.

And then Jackson through that section was just like mind boggling the Yeah, to be to be able to get to be able to hide hold far right entering the fat, the left-hander at the bottom after being on that highline at that speed, I was like, I thought he was just going to get shot off the Berman to like orbit.

But yeah, yeah.

For a little dude, he, yeah, you just like how he holds some of those corners, like when he just comes into that pace.

That's unreal.

Yeah, he's kind of, we were kind of joking like he does.

He's got all these little things that he does when he's riding it like flat out, like kind of like cocks the knee a little bit.

And it's like if you were if you were coaching someone, everything he's doing, you probably wouldn't tell a punter to do.

But yeah, but he's the guy who's winning all the races by like kind of doing some like unorthodox techniques like but.

He it's because he's riding so fast, I guess.

Yeah, yeah, that's the thing.

It's it's his style and he makes it makes it happen.

Oh no.

Oh, we're very impressive.

You ever cut out?

Nah, he's he's very impressive, that's for sure.

I had a note that makes until Oren the jet and Hunter Lawrence of downhill racing.

I think that, you know, yeah, they'll come through and start having some domination for long, I think, in the elite field.

Yeah, yeah, it's pretty crazy.

What those, well, pretty crazy what all the, the top, the last five juniors that came down the hill, they all like green, green and it splits kind of against each other.

Yeah.

So it wasn't like, you know, yeah.

So like, yeah, it's pretty.

The graduating class for 2025 is definitely going to ruffle some feathers when it comes to 2026.

Yeah, we talked about that before.

And just like, I mean, the, I don't think we've had, you know, there's been years where you've got these juniors like it's kind of always felt like it's two at a time.

Like you kind of had like Jackson versus Jordan, you had like Loris versus like Luca kind of at that point.

And it's like feels like there's been two that have come through, but man, that like there's like 5 or 6 of them that are just absolutely hauling us.

Yeah, like.

And then like Jaunty Williamson's really kept, he's like started shucking his hat into that group, which at the start of the season you wouldn't you wouldn't have like, yeah, kind of grouped him with the and then Ollie, Ollie like made a mid season appearance.

And now they're all like pretty, pretty dangerous when you've got that amount of competition because it only drives the level higher.

And they're going to be looking, they're going to be looking, they're going to be looking at the lead times going, Yeah, CPAC.

First year junior, so he's just like, you know, setting himself up for next season, which is awesome.

Putting pain.

Now we're talking pain Audi on the map.

Yeah, you're right.

What about your?

What about your boy from Ocado, Eddie?

It's good to see.

Oh, he's getting involved as well.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, great stuff.

He he had a good run.

He was pretty stoked.

Slipped into the top 20, broke his derailer off, but it didn't seem to slime.

Down.

So, yeah, yeah.

I just like seeing the the central North Island coming back into its own, you know, the early days.

We yeah, Eddie Chris wanted to have a debate where he his his debate theory was, is the North Island, you know, has the North Island produced better downhill races than the South Island?

And I was like, I'm not even getting on board with you on this debate.

Even being in the North Islander.

I'm like, we haven't.

There's like, it's not even anything we can debate here.

Like the North Island is dominant.

That's right.

That's.

Interesting.

It's so interesting though, because not even.

The places that have good down hall either no like this party doesn't really have a down or true.

Yeah, it definitely doesn't.

It's good.

Yeah, well, obviously my vote's going to go with North Island because you've got to stay true to your roots.

But I can't.

I can't debate it, though.

I can't.

Like, we've got Stack.

We've got Justin Lee of Tim Nelson.

He's almost.

At Nelson, Tim Nelson from Nelson, yeah.

I don't have a lot else to really add to that list, but.

Nah.

That's Chris's debate and Chris reckons he can argue it.

But no.

What else?

What else have I got here from World Champs that was juicy?

Juicy.

Yeah, while while you're thinking about it, Bruni has six World Championships.

He has never had a second or a third place.

He's only ever won or not been on the podium, and also this is the longest period now that he hasn't worn rainbows.

So every other year has only ever been two years at most, and now he'll be going three years without rainbows.

So that's a pretty mental stat.

He's kind of setting himself up for like not being able to retire without the rainbows because they like they've been his for so long that he won't be able to let it go.

He'll be, he'll be the Menard.

He'll be like 44 and still just chasing it, like still bouncing in and out of the podium and everyone will be like the same team.

Everyone will be like, mate, you've won everything, you can retire.

He's like, I won't leave without my rainbows.

Yeah, like he's, he's literally one of the best there's ever been.

And like, but I could see it.

He'll just keep going.

Yeah, so there was there was talk about a fork issue in his run.

Yeah, I heard that.

Really.

But unfortunately Steph Gardner had had a few too many shandies and can't remember the story.

Come on, after getting up, after getting it from the whole, after getting it from the horse's mouth, he can't remember what was said, but yeah.

But yeah, if there was a fork issue, I think he won one of the lower debt, lower sectors.

So he must have been pretty pissed off because.

Yeah, he, he looked like he got got out, got going and then turned it on again.

Was like, you know what, like I'm going to go again now.

Where did he end up?

He was like 40th I think, or something like that.

Trying to find him in the results now.

I didn't feel like there was a Bruni Trek, though.

It's not your typical Bruni Trek.

What do you reckon?

Anything he's dangerous on any day but.

Yeah, but I think he I think he could have had a red hot crack in it because once the once all the lines and stuff were established on what was like going to be quickest, it was just point get off the brakes rail a corner, you know.

Yeah, yeah, like you really like became quite slot carish when you're swish tissue when you're watching them rider.

Yeah.

Figuring it out took a lot longer because there was like they had left like quite a few options open.

So there were a lot of people, like a lot of people teaming up and trying to figure out lines, just training intersections and stuff like that.

Yeah.

But yeah, it was just tricky because with such variable conditions like with the rain and the drying out and stuff, it was like, yeah, you kind of knew what was going to be the line on Sunday, but you had to slay a few Dragons in the process before then because.

On the broadcast it looked relatively one line, but it wasn't always like that.

No, just just because there was so many options, like they weren't necessarily like individual lines completely separate, but entering all the entering all these corners, as it dried up, you could start getting up banks and stuff and then that just opened up the corners so much more.

So then by Sunday, you know, everyone was able to get right up the corners, making the track, you know, just opening everything up a little bit.

Yeah.

And you there was there was opportunities to do that, like almost the whole way down the track, but you couldn't quite do that.

Not many people were keen to do it confidently when the conditions were like pretty slick.

So it was like you knew what the line was going to be, but you didn't really want to practice it until it was like good conditions to do so.

But that was until later in the week.

So like people would have been trying, you know, Sunday race run lines and their quality run for the first time and stuff just to get some more wheels on it.

So they do it, Yeah.

Because even like I saw like then there were a few little gaps and stuff that the live feed like didn't really show.

But yeah, once the track dried up a lot that and the speed got higher, then it opened up a few more possibilities of like being out of miss some stuff.

Which is funny because like when I walk every day or like go down it and then and then I remember I think it was on race day morning, I just sort of seen lucky gap, gap, gap, like a pretty decent gap.

But you're like kind of shocked because you feel like you've seen it all.

And then but it's just like as the tracks dry, as the tracks drying up and now you've got traction.

They're like, oh, yes, sweet.

I'm comfortable to like jump to there.

And then you see it.

You're like, wow, like didn't see that coming.

Yeah, yeah.

And then you're like, wow, that's actually massive when you're watching what I did when you're.

Yeah.

So, so steep too.

It looked high consequence, like if you went off a like if you went off a turn anywhere, you're either getting stuck in a net or just like off into no man's land.

Yeah, the the Nets, the Nets, people were getting their black stuck in the Nets for so long.

Did you see Jess Lewitt's crash which we underneath lost a lost a shoe like pulled her foot out of his shoe and I.

Saw I saw on the sleep I saw I saw the flip on the sleeper carried it, but I didn't know that's what had happened.

So she got scared because heaps people were getting stuck under the Nets and then the marshals would come and try and help them and then that just creates like the biggest traffic jam of red flags when someone's bike stuck in the net, Yeah.

Yeah.

It looked like a mess in that that side.

What did?

How much 07 he'll talk was there?

Was there a bit of like, but 07 he'll talk while you're up there on the side of the track.

You know what he was doing, what Jesus was doing back then or.

Not enough.

Not enough to respect the the greatest downhill run of all time, you know, but quite a lot.

Yeah, we were watching.

We were like, watching a lot of the throwback stuff every night.

And I'm sure most people were just to.

Once you see the track, you're like, well, OK.

And then people were like, oh, like, it's so much harder now.

I was like, surely it was harder when it was raw?

I yeah, I guess like, I guess there's a couple of different aspects to it because now there's like no dirt on it, but there's also a shit load of built up berms compared to what it was back in like 07.

Like it looked, yeah, pretty raw.

There wasn't a lot of berms.

It was like, not a lot.

Catcher, yeah.

So.

Some dudes bike flipped into it 10 sheet like that's pretty cool.

Micro Penguin slides down a shoe.

Yeah.

Yeah, they've, they've built a meant basically a staircase for spectator access, which was like made it so good.

You could just you could like get to get to basically every section of the track pretty easily without like falling arsing out.

All the tracks I wouldn't meant gone into building the staircase.

Yeah, it was like pretty gnarly filled, like actually just building stairs the whole way down the hill, but it meant that.

The.

Crowds on course were pretty decent the whole way down as well because people would like could easily walk down it with kids and families and you know, everyone was out doing it and there was heaps of people showed up on race day.

The Swiss do love getting behind a race.

We were saying it was a bit of a weird one to watch for us, like broadcast was we've we've hammered on the Warner Brothers footage a lot this year.

There's a lot of people.

But I said to Red Dog, I was like, man, it actually highlighted how good their coverage is.

Like, even, I don't know, this just felt like a step back five or six years just in terms of the quality of the broadcast, like the footage, I don't know.

I think it really highlighted how good the Warner Brothers content actually is.

Yeah, I've been meaning to go watch it, but even on the live feed, like they were cutting to write, like, you know, for one thing that was really annoying for us on site was that they had the live timing board with splits, but that wasn't synced with the screen.

Yeah.

So you'd have a writer in the restaurant going green at split one, but you could tell they would read it split four and then that appear at the finish line.

And you're like, so like the half the crowd knew, and then half the crowd would cheer when they've gone green at split one, but then 20 seconds later, they'd cross.

They'd cross the line and all these people who aren't like white fans were like confused like like how did he get from split one to here without having any anything else?

You're like, yeah.

Straight line down the hill.

Yeah.

Just getting everything In Sync so that you're like, because, you know, with the live splits, you're kind of giving away the information if you're not putting it on the TV.

Yeah.

So yeah, you kind of can't, you can't have them both.

If one's going, one's going to tell the tell a different story at a different point in time.

But yeah, yeah, that was.

That's brutal, A little bit annoying.

And then.

Yeah, hey, very impressed with the Swiss helicopter evacuation team.

They're not afraid to just get gets that.

Was the Marshall the first person getting helicoptered off the hill?

Was a Marshall who got taken out by a bike.

Yeah, crazy.

Yeah, it was coming through like the group chats and stuff that there's the Marshalls being evacuated and we're like having breakfast, looking at you can see the chocolate.

You like how?

How has this happened at 8:20 in the morning was the first evacuation as a Marshall.

As a Marshall, Oh wow, I guess it's a real restaurant.

Like white comes and gets you.

I'm going to be nice.

Nah, but like someone to crash, red flag.

Just hear that chopper fire up, they drop off a medical guy, then they like go off and do some joyriding.

And then when they're ready, they just come back and they've got like, so the track will go live again, and then they'll quickly stop it, pick up the guy, get him out.

And yeah, it's pretty impressive how efficient they were.

Yeah, but there's not need to be.

Yeah.

There's no way you're getting the quad bike in.

No, no.

Yeah, there are no quad bite happening in there.

What are you doing now?

Now the enduro season's over.

I'm currently in transit to Canada.

I'm actually in I'm in Paris right now and about a flyer in luck an hour I'm going to I've got a wedding in Squamish this weekend and then the following Sunday.

So you're doing trans Cascadia.

Yeah, don't trans Cascadia, which is meant to be real, which is meant to be real sick.

So I'm actually really excited.

Looks like I haven't done any of those multi dangerous and that one especially I've heard really good things about.

So I'm doing that and then going to like Place and Monson and.

So of.

Course the.

Last two downhills and then another trends as it I'm planning to yeah.

But we just, we just need to juggle.

We just need to figure it out because with the team and stuff you can only have 4 riders.

So I don't want to step on anyone's toes if they're, you know, that kind of stuff.

Dad's coming home for dinner.

He's one that someone has to leave.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's, that's what we're trying to avoid.

Yeah.

So, yeah, at the moment penciled in.

So we'll just see if that works out.

But either way, I'll be there.

And then after that go to that Trans Sierra race in Mexico.

Yeah.

Oh, loose.

And then I get home.

Nice.

So I'm still on the road for six weeks.

Yeah, yeah.

But all good stuff.

Yeah.

Kind of stuff I'm choosing to do.

Yeah.

How's your elbow been?

Last time I talked to you on the podcast, sitting here in the Pilates room, you were you were all bandaged up.

You're just blown your elbow wide open.

It's.

Been all good in the sense that like I managed to get back quickly and this race, the season and stuff, but it's been a pretty complicated injury in terms of getting 100% recovery.

I just haven't been able to like fully straighten my arm, which causes a bit of difficulty sometimes.

But I think when I get home I'll try and get some of the middle work taken out because it just, it's been a bit annoying and just like achy and stuff.

But it's funny, I've talked to a lot of people who've like broken elbows and stuff and everyone's like nuts.

Just been a bit of a prick of an injury, but inside that like pretty happy just to be able to crack into it.

Yeah.

It was like, yeah, it's not ideal, but yeah, I don't, I don't.

I think it's like you've got to draw a line and sometimes you realize that maybe it's not going to get meant right now, especially when you're like on the road and stuff.

It's hard to, it's hard to like manage rehab and all that stuff when you're just living out of a backpack and racing week to week.

So I was just like, it is what it is.

Still been loving it.

And yeah, it's just, yeah, sometimes, like anything could always be a little bit better, yeah.

But hey, I mean, yeah, the the state it was in when I saw you.

Yeah.

Yeah, exactly.

I mean, it's a bit like Dick Norton and his hip.

I mean, it's it's slightly different, but not that much different.

But yeah, you were.

Yeah, Yeah, it was not in a good way.

And that was only like February.

Yeah, yeah.

So it's, it's, yeah, you could take, take it as it is.

And it's yeah.

So it's been, it's been pretty, it's been pretty good on the grand schemes of things.

Considering that considering they thought it was bone chips in the X-ray and then it was just actually just full of gravel.

So yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's pretty gross.

Anus.

But one thing I was saying go ahead, they need to with Brendan being the sweeper at at Champrey, huge missed opportunity.

They need to get the Goats.

So Fowler Soul needs to have Sam Hill sweeping next year.

Yeah.

Imagine it.

Yeah, we need to get a bit of a groundswell behind this because these, you know, you've got to have the icons because it was sick.

People were loving it.

Brendan.

Brendan would have done about 25 laps.

Yeah, he was doing, he was doing so many runs.

But yeah.

So Sam Hill 2026 vowed to soul world champs.

He's got to be the sweeper or we've lost all credibility.

Yeah.

I couldn't agree more.

Do we get on the iron Horse?

Do we get him back on the?

Iron Horse, surely else Yeah, speaking.

Of can make him get him.

Yeah, he cashed out this weekend.

So he jumped on the bandwagon and he started selling a bunch of his old jerseys over the weekend of World Champs weekend.

They were like 1000 bucks apiece and they weren't getting stepped up.

Yeah.

Did the LCB buy any?

Did we blow?

No the account?

Doesn't have that much money in it, damn.

I was having a look through them.

They're all sold out by the time I was even looking.

Yeah, same.

But you're like, you know, if you're a downhill fan FIFO worker, what's 1000 bucks to get a specialized Monster Energy, You know, one of the ones he would have worn it like Chompery or something.

You're like, no, like, yeah, I was looking through all the.

Yellows.

Pick a yellow one from Fort William.

One of my SO Ross, my manager at work, one of his mates bought an Iron Horse World Cup leaders jersey.

He bought that one.

Oh man, that's cool.

Yeah, yeah.

When I saw them, I was like, yeah, when I saw them, I was like, I can easily, you know, I could, I could shell out the money for a piece of history like that.

Yeah, but I think for us as well, you could look at them and you could be like, Oh yeah, that was like, that was this race and that was this race.

And there's ones where you're like, oh, I can remember.

I can remember that whole kit, what he was wearing in there, like.

Yeah, I was looking at 1 and I was like, I'm pretty sure this would be the one where he like crashed off the road at barrable wearing it.

Oh, there it was.

Iconic.

Go.

Away went around the trail.

I like that those like both didn't get those fun.

Yeah.

Oh shit, no.

No, not most.

Days he would have sold, he would have, I mean, put that in the family holiday fund, he would have, he would have sold quite a bit of raised a bit of.

Cash.

Yeah, that was a decent, decent weekend's earning for American.

That was well worth it, yeah.

We'll just have to get, we'll just have to get Diz to steal US1.

They're the business partners, yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

Gonna start raiding his garage.

Yeah.

What's I mean your right hand man Matt Walker, he's he's called it a day and he's retired.

He's going to be without him around.

I feel like you 2 have been joined at the hip for quite a few years now.

Yeah, we have.

Yeah, it definitely won't be the same.

He's he's another person who's really into just being an idiot 24/7.

So when we sometimes we have this saying that we like to put aside one hour a day for fuck Wittering.

So you know, that's going to be a hard hour to fill.

But he's got some exciting things in the pipeline.

Yeah, so let's get have to get jump with him for one of these.

I reckon I've been meaning to.

Well, we've been trying to do one with them for ages, so it's probably about time.

Oh, you need to before he disappears, you need to get him.

Yeah, you need to get him because he's like, he's like, yeah, when I, when I call it quits for good, I'm kind of blow the lid on everything that's wrong with mountain barking.

Yes, and a teller.

I'm going to find a queen sound for this.

I'm going to go and walk a teller.

Yeah, the expose.

Yeah.

Yeah, like when Oprah sat down with Lance Armstrong.

Exactly.

Yeah, full on tell.

I've got a I've got another another one that another person that wants to do a tell all, but they want a they want me to get them on under like a with a voice disguiser and all that.

You know they want to do the full like.

Like witness protection.

Yeah, witness protection that, yeah, that, that cane, but I haven't quite worked out how we do that yet, so.

I just go down 100 fishing, get a balaclava.

Yeah.

Oh, man.

I don't have too much more for you, I think.

Well, that kind of yeah, that does kind of work for me because I should probably make sure I can make it to my gate and stuff.

Yeah, that is a good move.

That's always a good, good thing to do, especially when you're in crowds.

Currently sitting your classic under the stairs shot here.

Oh, nice.

Yeah.

Yeah, Yeah, I will.

I've 10 out of 10 for dedication.

That is brilliant.

Love your work.

Yeah.

Well, you know we.

We're chasing each other around a little bit, so I didn't like, oh man, I can't.

I can't do it.

I can't let him down.

Again, so that was a great night for us because we had both Lister and Chris drop out tonight, so it was great to at least get you on.

Otherwise, me and Red Dog, we're just going to talk to each other for hours on in.

So yeah, now we appreciate you taking the time and hiding out under the stairs.

Yeah.

Anyway, and look, we're happy.

We're happy to have you on Until Behind Enemy Lines podcast comes back.

So, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

Consistency hasn't been key in our podcasting endeavors, but I'm hanging out for you guys.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Maybe that will be the expose.

Oh, could be.

That'd be nice.

Yeah.

No.

All right.

All right.

So thanks, Eddie.

Thanks, Eddie.

And with that, we'll see you all next week.

Hi, Rick.