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Welcome back to the OTV podcast, the original and still the best New Zealand mountain bike podcast and maybe still one of the only ones that is isn't in existence.

But that's all right.

We'll claim it bought you by Mexus tires.

We relied on the Mexus Aspen last weekend at the Wok 100 and why what a fantastic tire it was.

That thing was tearing it up.

We did have some some slight issues with the running the semi slick tire up the front as we will get into Lester and I had a had a near near moment early on.

Also brought to you by Fox Suspension in the legends at Squirt Lube keeping us well lubricated and also giving us some goodies both Mexus and Squirt for our OTB ride that we did during the WOK 100, which was yeah, a lot of fun.

Thanks to those who turned out, came along for that and hung out.

The regular regular crew is here.

Red Dog, how are you?

Good evening, Kerry.

Great to be here.

League's all right.

What a weekend it was.

You.

You feeling OK?

You recovered.

And and, and myself, no, I haven't really got that much better, to be fair.

No.

You were a bit crook coming into it though, which didn't help things I'd imagine.

I was, I think it was similar to you last year, Kerry.

You got you got sucked a few weeks out, didn't you?

Yeah, it's just a Gaunt.

That you run, isn't it as a?

Parent, It's with kids.

Yeah, you're just running gaunt.

I was actually thinking midway around the day, as I was, the wheels were really starting to fall off for me, that this event should have a A class like 30 to 39.

But there's two sections in it.

One is if you have kids under the age of 10, and one is if you have kids over the age of 10 or no kids.

Yeah, I think that would be a fear, a fairway to categorize that.

So if you do have kids under 10, you do have to provide birth certificates to prove what age they are and if you want to race that class.

Yeah.

Yeah, you do.

Yeah, that's good.

They.

Have to be signed by justice of the Pace as well they you've.

Got to go find AJP down at the local local mall or wherever they are at the library.

Yeah, I don't know where they hang out.

See, Chris is AJP.

Yeah, you can see a bit of.

The.

You were a JP.

Yes, that's right.

That's true.

Yeah, I think it's a.

Reference for you to be AJP.

Yeah, there we go.

Yeah, we've come full circle, so.

Bring it you need me.

Thank you.

This is your guide.

Certificates to the OTB tent next year and you get preferential treatment.

Chris wasn't there, so we'll come back to him, but Lester was the OTB champion of the day and literally just rode away from the rest of us to put in a storming time going.

Was it 554, Lester?

Yeah, Yep.

That's the one KB, yeah.

There's a ride, Lester.

Well done.

I wasn't even top.

Five.

I didn't even.

Make top 2 because Hayden Bork, who has one of our original jerseys, passed me at one point and I was like, son of a bitch.

He's in an OTB jersey and I'm barely clinging on to the top three now.

Nah, I had a pretty good ride.

I can't complain that was it wasn't perfect, but you know, you guys know how does you can only do what you can do with the tools that you are provided with.

Yeah, we're some pretty fucking tools as well.

You did pretty well.

Exactly, his tools have got 10 years on.

US really you've got your tools are from the Bronze Age mate, you're doing very well.

Thanks, Chris.

Thanks man.

His was still in that forging, you know, when the tools were really forged as a, when it was starting to go into mass production and really starting to get a bit better, quality was starting to go down, yeah.

Yeah, that's right.

Very, very early days of CNC.

Absolutely not.

Ones dropped.

You guys are CNC you're but you're CNC D in the early days when everything still had really sharp edges on it.

You can still cut yourself on the edge of your steam or something, you know?

But Chris, you didn't make it.

We discussed it pre event.

You've got a, you've got a newborn at home.

And I mean, let's be real, none of us probably other than you thought you were actually going to attend.

You were still, you were still pretty confident for a while there, but you didn't manage to make it.

You know, I, I did say I was looking at flights the week before and by God, I'm glad I didn't come.

Not because, not because of the racing, but yeah, there was, there's no bloody way there was, there was a, we were evacuated by the armed defender squad from our house on Thursday night.

So, and that's the whole story in itself, not had nothing to do with our house, but but yeah, that would have been a hell of a way to kick things off.

Leave the five week old at home with the 3 1/2 year old and mum while I fuck off to run a road to go mountain biking.

Wasn't going to go well see family.

No, in the end.

I got a race to go to.

Yeah, exactly.

But.

No, I yeah.

So there's the difference between high performance athletes and not but but it's, look, it's a pleasure to be here with you guys.

I feel a little bit like I'm a war correspondent and I don't know whether I'm talking to return servicemen or Pows or the enemy or something.

You know, like I feel like red dog, I've got a POW KB, sort of like KB is maybe the enemy and he's he's, he's, we just managed to get an interview with him.

At least there's definitely the Allied powers who's, you know, he's sort of like an old British general who lived from the front.

So looking forward to getting the breakdown from you guys.

Yeah, you can.

You can be in charge this week.

If your Internet plays ball, you can just ask us the questions.

This can be like a panel interview.

All right, so my first question is who's most fucked?

A red dog?

Nah.

Not.

At all are.

We talking today or at the end of the race?

Generally.

Irrespective of doing the race, just didn't like.

My.

40 minute line I hardly.

Really cooked me.

I hardly used my legs.

KB and Lester used this far more than me.

Reading from the text chat, it's not a yes like other group chat.

Your your malleys and your camels.

Everyone sounds like they're pretty broken afterwards, but I was trying to read between the lines to see who was most broken and I think it might have been you, Lester or Sam Horgan.

So both great results.

I.

I was pretty, I was pretty broken, but I was mainly I think I just I don't know if I overdid the nutrition or what, but I just kind of ended up feeling a bit crock at the end.

Yeah, I just ended up feeling a bit crock.

I mean I was physically pretty smoked as well, but I wasn't as destroyed as I had been another in some other years doing it.

I didn't feel any worse afterwards.

I would say yeah.

Felt pretty shit through most of the day but that didn't feel any worse afterwards.

The the little vom in my mouth mid race was a telling point of the day though.

Vom in your mouth.

I had a couple of those actually, but I didn't keep it in my mouth.

11 was just like the burp, you know, like you gotta have a bit of a burp, but it turns into a bit more than a burp and Oh dear, it was gel combined with pickle juice.

It was not real.

Good, it's.

Nasty you?

Know.

Hopefully it stopped you from cramping though.

Look, I was.

I was.

Ate it twice.

At that point I was hoping like maybe this flavour back up here is gonna help the cramp go back.

But I'll tell you what, I actually think the pickle just works.

I'm a believer in it.

It didn't work for the whole race obviously.

Well I so I took 2 bottles with.

Me, just a small guy came.

In now so I I so we get on to cramp chat so I my first cramp appeared after Fuck.

What do you write after hot cross buns?

Be rude not to be rude.

I think it is.

You go down.

Yeah.

No.

Is it?

Yeah, yeah, Flowy 1.

Yeah, it's Beirut, I'm sure.

And then you come back out of there onto a road going up that road.

Yeah.

Red Tank Rd.

I think it is and that was where the first hamstring cramp came in.

So I was about 35 KS in I think and I was like son of a bitch here it is.

So I quickly grabbed quickly grabbed pickle juice out and I was fully expecting just to like Chuck it in my mouth and spit it out again.

But I took a swig and I was like, yeah, not too bad.

You know, just kind of, you know, it wasn't terrible.

I don't mind Pickles.

So I was, I was there for it.

So I left it in the mouth for a bit because I was like, well, maybe the longer I leave it in my mouth, the more.

It will, really.

Fuck with the nerves that goes to my you know, between the brains and the muscles.

So it was that was my hope is that did that.

Mainlining it underneath your tongue.

Pretty much so I was trying to do and it actually went away again, like pretty quickly.

And I was on that road and I was like, right, sweet.

And there's a couple of people over here.

And at that point, Lester was still with the dude Cam that we'd been riding with earlier on.

And I was like, let's get these people before we get into single track.

So we punched it, punched it and got to a gap and and I was like, all right, and I was doing all right.

And then I got out to buy the feed zone and it was coming back already.

This is like 10 minutes later and I'm like shit, so have but more goes away And I I had another bottle in my bag of stuff from the feed zone and then I was pretty good through to when we were going up towards Kung Fu Walrus Lister and you were just up the road a bit from me and I was like, right, now's my time.

I got to just I got to dig in.

I got to get back on Lester's wheel.

Otherwise I'll never see it again.

And just as I was getting, yeah, just as I was getting to the top of that climb where you hook a lift, you got split ends, time off, whatever it is on your right and did.

It's like fucking bang.

Hamstring goes again.

And yeah, yeah.

And so I grabbed my other bottle out of my pocket and I've just got like A twist cap on them.

And I twist the cap off and lose the cap.

And I quickly look around and can't see it anywhere because it's so rocky.

And I'm like, fuck.

So I've got like just a 75 mil bottle of open pickle juice, so I just nicked it.

I was like, I got nothing else to do here but just drink it and hope it.

Hope it.

Lasts.

And it did not last.

I got out into what might be one of my most hated pieces of trail near on that mossy loop section.

Mossy loop, yeah.

It's, and what I forgot about was it's the pace around the lake is actually not too bad.

It's a bit early on where it's like you're going, there's like a bit of horse track and stuff around and you're riding like just this narrow shitty trail.

Yeah.

And my IT band went on my right leg.

So from my knee to my groin was just cramping so bad.

Don't.

You love that.

Oh, and I couldn't, I couldn't do anything.

Like I couldn't stretch it out and I all I could do was just keep peddling through it.

So I'm just like slowly grinding my way out there, peddling, peddling on my own.

Everyone.

There was no one else around just like 2 years ago.

And yeah, and then from there it just got worse as the day went on.

From here I basically just put the anchor out and went backwards.

I just want.

To play this back for you, just want to play this back.

We've got this right cramp first sit in at around 3540 KS.

It really, really hooked you on Cramp Hill and then you lost your soul and will live on Mossy Loop.

Is that about right?

Yeah, it's pretty much par for the course.

Yeah, so I can relate to that.

I don't have to show that's exactly how my day would have gone.

Yeah, now I honestly from there on out like bunch of there's probably like 4 dudes came up on me around the backside of that loop out when you buy the lake and they just came, blew past me and I was like fuck, I'm like right, kind of try and pick it up a little bit.

So I stayed with them until I got out to buy the bottom of the climb up to no brains and I got there and more people come past me and I'm like Jesus Christ.

Like really starting to go slow now.

And this wasn't even crap related at this point.

This was just going slow.

And the I think the most telling thing was so we rode the no brains climb on Saturday.

We went out for a loop just to just cruise and I rode up that climb intentionally very, very slow on Saturday.

Like I granny get it and just crept my way up it and then I was looking at Strava after the race and I went up there slower in the race than I did when we write it on Saturday.

Same thing I.

Think I did too, now you say.

I'm pretty sure I did too.

But you guys had pulled away on Saturday when we're climbing it, like I I slowed right down, waited for Red Dog and then just, like, crept my way up it because I was like, I don't want to burn my legs.

I'm just going to ride this slow.

Yeah.

This is something I've.

Wondered is, you know, out for occasion to ride Chris versus 70 KS into Walker Chris, how much slower am I?

You know, like like if I came across myself AT70K point and Walker, like I'd sort of come across someone else out riding.

I think I'd rode past going fuck, mate, what's wrong with you?

You're you're OK, You're OK Going to make it home going up.

Going up to no brains, all I could think of the speed that people were going past me.

I felt like Ricky Bobby, when he gets back out on the track after his hands big crash and all the cars are blowing by him and he's like, whoa, what is that?

What is that?

And that was me, but with people just riding past me, just absolutely just blowing by me and going up the climb and I'm just like, what is this?

The other bikes on the track, I was just gone.

One of my favorite parts about that particular climb is that I don't know whether or not they've resurfaced it lately, but but it it's got a lot of those little baby head rocks in it as well.

And so you you'll be cruising along and then you'll just slip traction for a second and then your heart rate spikes, but you also slow down.

Yeah, there's a lot of that sort of stuff really fucks with you.

Throw a curve holder.

At least it was.

Slow Kerry.

I was 2 1/2 minutes slower during the race than when we rode it.

I reckon I was about the same.

Good.

Yeah, at least it just rode away.

He was gone.

Where did I lose you?

Was well before then we top of Kung Fu?

Well, yeah, so.

Frontal climbing up to the top of off Frontal above the Shuttle Rd.

You put our yeah, you put in a little effort going up there and you got ahead of a couple of guys and kind of pulled a bit of a gap going up there.

You got a, you played a real smart move on that climb and.

That I did and I paid for that.

That was a very deep, deep effort for about 30 seconds and I paid for that probably later in the day.

Yeah.

And then I kind of like I followed you at a distance from there until Tiahi Manoa.

And that was the last place I saw you was dropping into there.

And but yeah, it was, yeah, you, you torched it up there.

And then, yeah, I think one of my favorite parts or realizations of the day was like, I was riding down TR Tower going like, man, I'm riding this like shit, but also passed about eight people on it.

You can point where you're, you're so cooked that you're, you're riding kind of lazy.

You're probably going really fast though, because you're just, you're not breaking much because you just don't.

Have hands aren't working?

Yeah.

Well, that was quick.

Yeah, but yeah, you were gone that.

Was that was really good.

Like I I got through there pretty decently and then yeah, that next climb after you popped out into Billy T Billy T was pretty sweet actually.

I got through Billy real good and then cramp hurricane.

I got up most of that pretty well and I could see Josh just up ahead and I thought I thought he's right there and I could like bury myself and maybe close half the gap, but I'll probably blow up.

So I kind of just like tempoed it to see if I could get a little bit closer.

But he then realized I was coming.

And so he he was telling me today that he was just like, I'm not gonna, I'm just gonna ride as hard as I can.

So at least it doesn't come and just see what happens.

I think that was what he did when I passed him early on.

He was like that son of a bitch.

I'm not letting this happen.

And he just rode away like he just found a second wind and was gone again.

He said he was in a pretty dark place and he was the same thing.

He told me about that.

He was just like, no, I'm I'll just go as hard as I can.

His back was blowing out and he was in a bad way.

Yeah.

Just got to see what happens.

But I was with there was the dude in the green that was on that Cannondale who I passed just going into tea.

He.

Was just chatting to me on cramp hill.

How many times have you done this now?

What time did you do last year?

And I'm just like, dude, leave me alone.

Yeah, so he caught me again down on round Mossy Loop, somewhere around down there and he, I ended up, or he ended up passing me and I was just like, I can't ride that fast.

But I sat on his wheel and he towed me through all that stuff on Mossy Loop.

Yeah.

All through that gravely bit where was a bit windy as well.

We were.

Yeah, it's run through there and he, he was looking back over his shoulder every time it went up a little bit.

He would just like feed it a bit more and try and drop me and then he was trying to wave me through for a 10 and I was just like no way that is.

Not you were doing, you were doing the teddy pocket shirt, just like trying to get him up the front and you were just being Jonas though, just sitting on the wheel.

Was I what?

Yeah.

I was just like, you are an ox mate, you can have this.

And then I know, so I rather he's the guy.

He's the guy that I was talking about when we did the pre episode last week, that he's just one of those dudes who's just as like an animal who just will ride and ride and ride and ride and just.

Ride your wheels off.

Apparently he is Lisa Carrington's coach.

Oh, there you go.

So I wanted that today.

Yeah.

Anyway, he was super impressive about no brains.

We got into the bottom and I, we were, you know how there's a couple of like rollers sort of before you go into the main climb?

He probably had 10 meters of me on me at the bottom of the main climb.

And then he just has it and.

Rode through up to Josh there and those boys were just gone.

I had no, not even a remote answer.

Did you?

How old are you?

I didn't ask him that, but he's in, he's in the 50 plus category, so.

But is he one of those 50 plus year old dudes who doesn't have kids?

Well, I'd say he's a 50.

He may not have kids at home anymore.

It's probably yeah, yeah.

So, so I want to recall the pre episode you guys recorded, which I couldn't attend because that pointed a four week old.

And it's quite funny listening while I was out for my casual 40 minute left a couple of days after I noticed that when you guys talk about the different different categories of races who are at Walker, we literally just talk about ourselves.

Because KB was talking about the guys in their 40s who take it quite seriously, who've got good cat, who look for marginal gains like they're real strong.

You've got to watch out for them.

And he was just talking about you list this real dog was talking about the guys who, you know, like the younger your kids are.

You know that that they're sort of that plays into your preparation.

It's got two kids under 5 and KB was was kind of just talking about the same thing, but we just really talk about ourselves but in the fourth person.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Because I'd like to, I'd like to circle around there to the to the first person you identified in the in the marginal gains and you refer to the kit.

Now do you want?

Do you hear about the shit Hausery that Moki and KB pulled on me?

Oh, I can't hear a choice I.

I hear there's a hint of this.

So.

I want to.

I want.

First of all, we as my kids.

I'll see the same.

Here and secondly, tell me more.

OK, can I just, can I just interject really quickly?

The dude we're talking about, I've done a quick Google and his name is Gordon Walker.

He is a canoe racing coach and former multi sport athlete and won the Coast to Coast in 2007, 2009 and 2010.

So yeah, there you go.

There you.

Go animal.

It's basically like an old version of Ken Jones.

Yeah, yeah.

So that's the thing, coast to coast guys built different.

Hey, they got engines, man, Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Sorry, Red dog.

So you can go back to your slander now.

Yeah, No, I will.

Thank you, Karen.

I would like Chris.

I would like a I'll.

Be the.

Adjudicant to deliver.

Yeah, yeah, you can.

Yeah, You deliberate on it and then make Yeah.

So Chris, I always assume that this this podcast was sort of two tiered.

You know, A&B Lester and Kerry are sort of RA team.

We're sort of in the B, maybe even C team.

Interesting because I thought the same, but I thought you and you and KB were the A-Team.

No, no, no when it comes to this sort of stuff.

Well, as far as modify is concerned.

So, so Lester, every year, as you would know, he puts together a new kit for us and he does a great job.

And I, I really enjoy wearing these new Lister kits every year because he's this most stylish man I know.

And so, you know, he, he brings out a new kit this year and I sort of go out of my way to make sure I have it ready for race day.

And I, you know, let the records show that Kerry was staying in the same residence as I was.

And and now the problem with the new kit, it was a little bit more of a Clubman cut, so not as not as arrow as these boys maybe would have liked.

Now that's.

Very considerate.

Thank you, Les.

Imagine my imagine my surprise when I tear up on the start line expecting us to be representing the team colours for the year and the boys.

The A-Team have gone with last year's kit because it's more arrow and red.

The A-Team for No.

Reason with the with the non arrow 2025 cat, it's like turning up to a dress.

That is a great steps up and and.

Actually let.

Me guess there was no mandate on the line as well.

They're probably standing there and like, let me guess, both standing there and Rafa Puffers right on the trainer or the one trainer you?

Couldn't be you couldn't be closer, they keep.

Off the one trainer, yeah.

And just as they go on to the start career, someone passes their bike and the Rafa puffer comes off and there they are, standing there in last year's cap.

Yeah, you know what?

You know how it's happened as well.

Red dog you're.

50% you're 50% there only.

I had AOTB hoodie on.

Yeah, an OTB list.

I had a.

Puffer on though puffer.

Puffer on.

Yes, you did, but I.

Wasn't on the trainer OK and here so we also had.

Lister, you'll get, you'll get your turn.

You'll get your turn all.

Right, I'll be quiet until redone.

I'm allowed to talk, yeah.

I will, Red Dog.

Something you probably don't know is that Lester actually got reruns of last year's kit done just for this purpose.

So yeah.

So were you on the skin suit here and the and the one piece?

Did he run the?

Skin.

No, no, the skin suit doesn't have enough pockets for me for a race like that.

OK.

OK.

Well, there was a lot of me and Lester did talk about it quite a bit and the pockets are also quite small on the skin.

Suit was also an issue.

So now I I do prefer to not run it because those ref A bib shorts are real good with the pockets on the sides.

Yeah.

So that was that was why I went that way.

Lister your rebuttal, your right of response.

All right, so here's here's the thing, right?

So we we, we sorry the new kit.

Interrupt, but that's how all great arguments start.

Here's the thing.

With all due respect, with all due.

Respect.

You're wrong.

No, no, fair play red you.

You're on to it mate.

I know, and I have to credit you for representing the 2025 colors, but we do have the legit kit turned up two days after the mocha.

And in fairness, it does look better.

It looks better.

That looks real good.

So we get like the club fat kit was a sample and I was just like, well, if we're going to do one, we might as well do four and then we've each got one and if we're not going to wear it, we'll hang it on the wall later.

You're in cheap.

Let's look at yours at home.

Is sweet.

Thanks.

The trail shirt is legit.

That's great because I need another trail kit.

I'm still riding on KBS Fox Bosch kit.

You you snuggle up to your mate KD and he's got one for.

You.

I meant to.

I meant to bring it over today when we went for our lunchtime run and lunch date, but I forgot about it.

Would also work as a running shirt.

Might be a little bit big though, Chris.

Actually the size was a little larger than expected, so.

That's you can put some weight you can grow into it mate.

Lister, you know I don't fit our kit.

I was gonna say you guys can send the four Clubman kits to me and you can have my streamline kit.

Yeah, that's all I've got to sound kit really.

But on the what's that?

It was comfy.

Yeah, I'm sure it's legit.

I need to wear.

It so at least there is the is the OTP representative who spent a fair bit of time in the rape trade.

Are you happy with the with the trial kit supplier we've got now?

Yeah, I reckon we can probably put a pre-order to get us soon.

I believe KB promised it to our listeners who showed up that they would be able to one day potentially be able to buy it.

Maybe.

Maybe.

They would one day be out of buy one.

It's coming on a Friday.

Yeah, next Friday I'm.

Going to say that there'll be there'll be 4 trail kits available next Walker from this year.

Previous just pre sell pre worn.

No, we cannot.

Pre-order they did come out good.

They came out good and the quality's good enough, yeah.

If you're if you're happy with our trail kit supplier list, I'm going to put a request in for a for our Parmi themed jersey.

But is it trail Jersey?

Yes, I'm 100.

Percent.

That's what I was like, yeah.

Also shout out to was it Matt Hunt who who was backing Lister at the Fokker purely because he was from the North Island and he wanted him to beat KB so that was fantastic.

I saw in the comments.

Yeah, that's for sure.

We're drumming up some form of like, conflict.

Here it's great, Northwest, South.

Before we come to you, read off your race report.

I got a hint of this in the group chat, but then I got I got to I got to eyeball it to stay on our run because KB took the jersey off mid run it.

Was hot.

Oh yeah.

Running Wheel out of Time on Kerry.

Oh yeah.

You know it's it's.

Not, I reckon his shirt was taking his nipples.

Well, one of them.

Is quite sore taking one of his nipples the other one was gone yeah I.

Want to talk a story round off?

It's a.

Story I actually forgot about during my recap because it was early on so in fact this is we got a lot about how painful the cramp was that you didn't talk you forgot about the fact that you ripped the nipple off.

We got up into the top of like so cold.

Was it to Tokurangi or something like that?

And we start going down there.

It's it's all flowy and fast and we we catch this dude from the elite wave who was just creeping like it was pretty painfully slow and I felt.

Like he was probably a really good climber.

Yeah, I got listed behind me and didn't realize how close behind me he was.

But I'm like kind of this just trying to find a way to get around this dude.

And we get into this big boom and I'm like, right, I'm going to dive to the inside.

It's like give me a shout.

I'm like go inside.

And as I go to the inside, this track is like ice, like hard pack ice.

And this is the only time that my Aspen St.

failed me during the day.

The front end was just gone and an instant gone and I'm Penguin sliding on my stomach and.

And I'm I'm running over his bike.

I was.

Going to say, are you still up?

I was like right on him and as we came into the corner, I thought, I hope he goes inside because I'm going to go inside to get get this guy who was going wide around the burn.

And so we both, it was like we both took exactly the same line, but Kieran just tired to swept the pine needles up inside of a tan.

So I was so close I couldn't break at all.

I just rode straight over his bike and I'm pretty sure I ran over the part of you as well.

Yeah, I, I, I like as I'm kind of like falling and still moving.

I look around and see Lester just like right on his way and to just bowl me and I actually managed to get up and like my bars had spun around and just gone past my top tube.

So I had to give them a quick whack and get them back around straight.

But they hadn't twisted or anything luckily.

So I managed to get up and get going all right.

But I lost a few meters down there on that one.

But yeah, I was like at the time I'm like, oh man, my nipples a bit sore.

Don't know what I've done here, but you're in the middle of it all.

It wasn't till the end of the day and I it was like getting undressed and someone's like, oh, what have you done?

I've got this big like dark down by down across the nipple where I I don't know what I hit whether it was bike or ground on the way through.

Did you but maybe did you lose your nipple bar or have you still got it?

No.

Maybe that's why it's so sore.

The nipple bar's gone.

Ripped his 90s nipple tore it out but.

Still, it'll still be dangling from the chain that's attached to the other one though.

Yes, don't lose it.

What point in the race was this?

Like for 20 KS in if they're.

15 KS 20 it would have been, yeah, maybe 12 to 13.

15 it was before you get to like boxer birds.

That's serious.

So much about your race craft.

KV is that you're you're trying to inside Lester inside the 1st 20 KS now Lester was behind me.

I was trying to inside some dude who was in the way.

OK, even still, yeah, he's trying.

To I mean, we would have been, we were riding somewhat aggressively down the hill, but it wasn't the dude we passed was legitimately going far too slow.

Yeah, so it wasn't like he was going similar speed and we were just trying to get past.

So.

I think we're just so good.

I think we have to get a matter of situation.

You should just be punting people off the track.

Yeah, right.

Yeah, the way we'll die.

Yeah.

I was on a I was on a mission.

Speaking of people on a mission while he prepares for his 45 day adventure in the wilderness for a dog, how was your weekend?

I certainly had a pretty good time.

I, as I said earlier, been sick on the laid up, so it didn't really help overly much when the when you look at your at your so I can compute a wire gammon, whatever you've got and the heart rate doesn't correspond to the power you're putting out in the wrong way.

That's probably not a great sign.

I was seeing a lot of red on the heart rate and a lot of like light blue on the power.

Not much is coming out of the legs, but so you've you've got the.

Foot down on the throttle and the clutch was just spinning.

Yeah, pretty much.

This is Level Pacific all over again, yeah.

It's a great dog in a Honda Civic I.

Had some, I had some.

I rode with Rankin for a while and see, I've got to bring.

Yeah, I heard about that.

I.

Was going to say I'll get to I've got to bring up quickly.

I talked to Rankin post race and he was like, yeah, yeah, me and Red Dog were riding together for a while, but you know what?

2 negatives just don't make it positive.

And we had to separate because boy, we were in a dark place together.

Oh, that's.

I was like Rankin, I don't know if I can keep going here.

Yeah.

He was like, we're just, we're just both like, I think I'm going to have to pull out and it's like out.

In the end, I just had to tell him that we need to separate and go our separate ways because otherwise we're just going to end up not finishing.

This sounds this sounds incredibly polite for Rankin.

Like that sounds like you're paraphrasing.

So can you fuck off for a dog?

I need to get gone.

Yeah, well, yeah.

It came past.

Probably paraphrasing.

Was it we were in veggies?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Actually, you looked good.

Did you even need to ask Chris?

Yes.

Yeah, yeah.

So yeah, that was the story of the race as a red dog, just just on the.

Rebound.

Yeah, I did have AI did have a like I descended the whole of I climbed a bit of the climb up to like time warp and stuff with Bangzi on.

He was on his E bike and we just chatted.

So we got hit a nice catch up.

It's just quite good, you know, so good enough to how's work going?

How's the E bike?

Yeah, good sort of stuff.

And then he he was like, oh, I'll leave your toilet down and go down riffraff.

And I was like, we don't have to do that.

You can come in, you can come down split ends if you want.

He's like, Oh yeah, and I'll come with it.

So we rode that all together.

He left me in roller coaster.

I don't think he was sick of that.

That was good.

We.

Chased it the whole way.

Shout out to.

Pigs for feeding us too.

Manny did a top job.

What a legend.

That was.

Very handy.

Yeah, he was done.

He was feeding me Lester and Rankin.

He was loaded up.

Yeah, there's this one guy that you'd rely on to get it right.

Like feed several people in multiple different spots and just get it right every time.

It'd be it'd be easy.

He was bang on, absolutely bang on with it.

I'm wondering.

About race updates from too who's in front or no?

Lester's sort of pull the gap on KB, how far it's Rankin.

Oh, he's not too far up.

This was like good.

Did did any of the chat with Bengzi drift into like old school downhill racing or classic cars or anything?

He's been welding his wife's mini again, welding so.

No, yeah, we talked about the downhill race next weekend at Reverend Rock and his plans to go to Kelly.

Yeah, yeah, we talked about Masters, world champs.

Yeah.

It was a good chat, top experience.

We talked about that.

That was quite nice.

So it gives me an idea I'm wondering whether instead of ever racing Walker again, I'll attend is the is like the OTB morale coach?

So maybe you'll put me out with an E bike and we'll put a few different batteries around the place so I don't even have to run out of battery and I'll just ride around just talking to people as they got blinds and giving them some positive informations and starting to look good and you know, just keep on calm.

I don't think is there anything in the rules to say that you can't feed from a moving vehicle.

So you just be like.

Feeding us you could actually have right 20 gallon drum on your back and you just like got a big camelback straw hanging out.

Feeding a bit out So what we'll do is we'll set up a service where I'll feed anyone anywhere.

We'll get a trailer hooked up and stuff, but also you can text me and say, oh, I need 15 gels now and and away we go and I'll have I won't just have a like bottles of pickle juice.

I'll have a whole like a big glass jar full of Pickles as well.

So you can get the Pickles and the.

Juice.

I reckon I might do that next year.

Just take a pickle jar.

So you're like Uber Eats for the Falconers?

Yeah, putting this out to the.

List actually go down good too.

Tell me what it's worth to you to have someone at your side as you're climbing up towards no brains, when you're in the depths of hell and you and you just need someone to feed you some memes and talk you up there Because I'll do it.

Definitely MMDMS.

MDMS yeah, give me some MDMA, they don't probably get me through it.

MDMS but if you need Class A drugs, then some MD's see what we can do.

It's right.

I just, while we've been talking, I went and had a look at the results and I realized that you can go into your individual results and see your positions throughout the day from the final water station after No Brains through till the top of that next climb, like the top of Pondy Elevator turning into time warp.

I lost 11 positions just in that one, that one part of the race.

You know, you know you need.

OK, that's awesome.

More pack of juice.

Well, no, you need the morale coach.

I was going to say Nelson MBMA at that point because I had no energy.

Yeah, just LSD tab under your tongue.

That'll get you.

Through but I also discovered that I was what like where was I 8th place on the canopy fly downhill segment.

So, you know, at least I got one top ten out there on the day.

Oh, that's pretty solid.

So.

There was a down, not.

Bad considering that's at 90 KS in or something.

I actually did a real good pass because I came in there, a dude blew bass me on that road coming into it, and then we got like.

You went around the first couple of corners as you went into it, and then it went into quite a wide segment.

And I got in there and I was like, oh, this dude's not very fast.

And so I just absolutely blew past him on the left hand side down some roots and never saw him again for the rest of the race.

It's like, yes, take that.

What's?

The top 10 for the downhill section.

Let me some questionable results.

There was go on.

An E bike was first place with the one minute flat and then the next place we got Fletcher Adam, Fletcher Adams from Elite was first.

If we're taking the E bikes out, there was a couple of junior kids being frail in there.

Being frail makes sense.

Charlie Millington.

I was right behind Charlie Millington, so I'll take that.

He went pretty good at the EDRS this year.

Yeah.

We were both on 110, yeah.

I reckon the printer everyone's wrong about UKB that.

Went to the bank.

It's pro downhill, a turn podcast.

I reckon you that was the last of the weekend.

It's pro down making the cycle in New Zealand a little bit.

Least his name in there next year though, because they were like, oh, that's fucking podcast.

It was pretty shit.

We'll be to put the better one in there.

So Chris, when KB is talking about losing 11 places in that I managed to lose 1 vital place in the last say 2 kilometers, if there might even be in the last 1500 meters.

So I was in 3rd and in my category.

But you know where the rock drop thing is, where the main line goes straight and there's like a little B line round to the left half, like near right near the bottom of rock drop.

And as I come in there, I look, I was like pretty in the box and I knew there was a dude behind me who was catching me up the rock drop climb.

So I thought I just I need to go fast down the hill.

So I was like trying to go fast down the hill.

And I looked up and I got to the rock drop and there's like signs, you know, hard, easy, and there's some other sign up above it I think as well.

And I sort of got all confused and I thought, don't quite know where I am.

I'm just going to ride the beeline.

But as soon as I got in there, I knew that I'd made the biggest mistake here because the B line is actually harder to ride than the A line.

And the water recently must have just washed all the dirt, dirt out.

And it was just these like heinous rocks about so big sticking out.

And I pretty much got in there and just stalled to a stop.

And the other dude by this point was only a couple meters behind me.

And it ends up that he has come from an enduro background as well.

And yeah, he just turns it straight past me.

He's like rider coming, rider coming.

And I was like, oh, yeah, OK.

And he like boosts through and just carries all the speed gone.

So I'm on the chase.

Couldn't catch him and.

I bet he doesn't have kids.

I don't know, no.

Kids get it going.

He lives in Melbourne though.

He's been he's a Kiwi now.

Lives in Melbourne, apparently.

So he's come to definitely do.

He definitely doesn't have kids.

Well actually I just remembered I got to that section as well and the dude that I was following went to go over the like rock drop a line.

He freaked out and stopped on the rocks.

So I went around I like quickly slung it into the B line to only find there was a person crashed in the B line.

Completely forgotten about it till you were talking about that they managed to get up and out of the way.

Rock drops a fucking meanest section of track to put at that point in the right.

It is horrible.

It's and it's pretty nasty and janky and you're cooked and it is confusing as well because you I, I can relate to your feeling of don't know where the fuck I am, partly because I don't know where the fuck I was when I got there last time.

But but yeah, it's, it's it's heinous.

It's horrible.

And then you go through Rosebank and it's even worse.

Was in good neck this time then.

Yeah, as bad as I thought it was going to be, OK.

No, that was pretty good.

That thing wasn't good.

Actually, it was real, real good.

Waiting for it fast.

Yeah, it was.

Interesting.

There was a lot of trail tarting that had been done for sure.

Yeah, in the last little while, like the trails were.

I would go so far as to say some of them were overly groomed.

Some of them pretty cool.

Yeah, pretty fresh.

How do you did you guys realize who won the 4049 Class XX Christchurch Down racer Desert Derrick?

Desert winner.

I saw Desert won.

I didn't know he won.

It's all Yeah, Yeah.

Man.

What?

A what?

A hammer.

Yeah, he, I saw him on the start line.

He looks like he weighs about 60 KGS.

So he is he is out of there.

It always helps.

What was his time?

I'll have to go back and look.

And the 4540 something maybe I think.

Gabe, I feel like Gabe.

My Rodwelli was second.

Dazzle was a 54643.

Oh yeah.

That's good, good result.

That's legit.

That yeah, 49 age.

Can't agree that the water looks warm there, Lisa.

What's it like?

It's not far away from us, Chris, this is for sure.

You guys have got?

AIDS yet?

We've got one more year.

One more year and 30s.

I'm on the wrong side of the category.

Now see I'm on the downward slide to the next.

Category.

So this is what I'm just thinking though, like sure, when you hit masters one, you've probably still got an advantage when you're when you're just into masters one, but I feel like the 40 to 49 class it's reversed.

Yeah, they get faster as they get older.

They get faster, the old man's drink is better than, but also the the dependent children thing starts to fade out a little bit.

You know is KBC.

There's some validity there.

Yeah, so.

And was this your best result yet?

Yep, I think so.

Oh.

OK, so the data supports it.

My son reminds me that apparently I was.

Apparently I was fourth in our category last year too, but I don't.

I haven't actually confirmed that's the case.

Lister, did you see that you you just held off single speed weapon Adam King by 5 seconds?

I was just going to tell you, yeah, I was going to him at the finish.

He had an unreal ride.

So yeah, that was fair play.

Hard tail, single speed, not just single speed.

Yeah.

So that was a good effort.

And so he was second in single speed class, which is pretty, pretty good effort.

The hard tailed but is the bit that gets me right there going around there that's.

Awesome man.

Well, you've done it right though.

Yeah, it sucks.

You did have your back.

That's right, your.

Back is so sore down split ends like my kidneys are at fallout.

It was awful.

That must.

Be man, it hurts.

Listen, the only thing I can say is that you become, you would become accustomed to it just like you'd become accustomed to running, Yeah.

Yeah, but.

You've still got to do the time like Adam must have done some training.

You can't just.

Flute that calcium deposits on your back start to build up as well, right?

Are you going to get in I've?

Got a question Lisa, related to the 40 to 49 year old class.

Do you use those, those suction on bike racks for your Porsche or do you have you got bike racks?

How does it work?

It's just I don't have a bike to the race room.

You know what?

I've got the most crap biked karting set up.

I've got an old school Q.

Spear that hangs off the back of the Hyundai.

I bet you that Q Spear has seen, has seen Kiwis on it, has probably seen all sorts of bikes hang off it, yeah.

It was, it was brought after a Kiwi I think, but it's had a lot of other things on it.

But it's a legit Q spear as well, is that right?

Yeah, yeah, there's, yeah.

It's actually being re welded because at one point I had I think 4 of the OG trip rails on it.

Oh.

Hitting out the Craig, you're doing an up and down roads around there and it it basically pushed the bolts out of the bottom of it and like where the nuts are welded into the bottom of it.

The nuts like broke the welds because of the weight of the Z bikes just pounding on it.

That anyway, it's just a rite of passage for bike racks back in the day was for them to be broken and re welded at some point.

Yeah, I got one that you could definitely do a ram raid with, like it's been custom welded for downhill bikes.

It's like got loops so you can use the Strop through the doors like in age that.

Was the other thing, yeah.

Is it the sea pillars on a Honda Civic that you stretched whether or not you were just bending the sea?

Yeah.

There was more of a gap there than when we started, for sure.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

Good.

I don't know.

Why 1?

I think I sold it.

At some point or gave it away, Might have given it away.

I don't think don't think it'd exist anymore though.

KB, you having a bike rack that goes on the back of the car is a little bit like you having a camel beck.

It just doesn't stack up.

You know, like your bike goes in a van.

Well, I have a van now, of course, but.

But yeah, I just didn't always hit on the.

Back of a a Ute, yeah.

No, I can find the time when the also had a bike rack on it.

It didn't go on the tray was there?

Was there a thing here?

Well, the B 2000s are quite low in the back, so you couldn't really hang a down or bike over the tailgate without the front wheel hitting the ground from time to time.

Yeah, no, but so were you running it like Moto style was like the IT was also not really long enough and the tray to do that because it was a extra cab.

So it was just a bit of a the worst of worst of all worlds.

But was there a?

Scrap dropper in the back of it.

Or something was a subwoofer in the back of it, yeah.

Yeah, I said a bit of time.

Yeah, fine.

I.

Reckon it was AI, Think it was a fusion.

What?

Oh, that's very nice.

Yeah, Nice, nice, nice removable Facebook.

Or was that?

Yeah.

Was that from the Jonah Lamu?

Fusion here.

Yeah.

What would have to have been pretty close.

Do you want a Jonah Lamu?

Fusion story.

Yes, I'd love to.

Here's the story.

My 1 flatmate.

My flatmate used to work at Mad Sounds and Hamilton.

Big Fusion dealer at the time.

Awesome.

And we had the patrol parked at our house for ages.

Really.

I love the patrol.

Patrol.

Oh fuck it, so good I caught it.

Sit in there and like completely make our ears bleed.

It was unreal.

I It pops up on Trade Me every now and again.

Do we have enough money to buy it, Kerry?

Actually, it pops up again.

It depends what.

It's up.

Depends what it's devalued down to, but we no.

Just Patreon looking.

I'm starting to realize that Lester, when I was a teenager, Lester was my idol.

I just didn't know it like he, he was like he actually, you know, he was doing Ripple Velodrome events.

He was hanging out and Jonah Lomu's Fusion Sound competition car.

I knew it because I'd signed up to the team.

I'd signed up to the team, Stealth e-mail address, e-mail out.

So I was, you know, I knew, knew what was going.

On.

Yeah, I bet he had four or five grand effect headbands as well.

Like like he like he didn't get one.

They they kept sending them to him.

He was an investor.

Have you, didn't you just didn't you just have to put two people's addresses on the thing and send it in?

Then they send you a headbed.

Is it something along that I got?

Gloves.

Okay, I'll get a quick listen.

Have you at any point in your life had some kind of sponsorship by a telco like, you know, for a while there, like.

They could have.

They.

Could have beat and the Boost Mobile days I reckon that would have.

Been we definitely we.

I believe that Doggy and I were trying to get something off the ground.

It's good enough for me.

We didn't try.

Yeah, we were like that was that was in the early Kiwi days.

We we were trying but we couldn't find any contact that would.

Because there was.

A brand that sold phones through skate shops and there's a skate shop in Palmy.

I can't remember what it's called, but you know, you get a skate snow tenant.

It was skate and snow because we had a skate and snow in Nelson as well.

Maybe they were.

They were, they were part.

Of the same there was one in Palmy called Ocean Nice.

There was a skating snow there as well.

I said linger at the one here a lot.

Yes, how cool is that?

Are.

We looking at Dicks are we looking at?

Dicks.

Oh watching skate movies on the TV yeah man.

And looking at and dreaming of getting a musker Dick.

Yes.

Shorty's musker Dick still want.

One and landing one out of every 300 kick flips that you try I still.

Have a good one.

That's when I learned that I was a bit better at riding bikes and I was skateboarding.

We've all been there, We've all been there.

Lisa, if you were to take a punt and we'll come back to endurance bike sports in a second for our listeners, but how many brands do you think you've been ambassador for like officially, unofficially over the years in the hundreds?

Like what's?

What's your body count?

No, it's not.

It's probably not that many.

Most of mine.

No, not that many.

Oh, no, actually now, now you point to that.

Here we go.

Quite a few.

Quite a few, yeah.

Quite a few give me dirty dog.

Well it started off.

I got a specialized Hard Rock hard towel from Fokatani Cycle Center under their like Avanti pro shop deal.

They still exist I think, don't they?

I think that's the first bike shop.

That's the threshold I'm talking about here.

So we're into the 2-3 hundreds by this point then?

If you're talking like every deal he's got, then that's not really ambassadorship.

Like I'd like to know how many times has he not paid retail?

Who pays retail?

Oh, basically I, I don't reckon I've probably since since I left home, since I left home at the tender age of like 18, maybe 17.

I don't.

Did you not move out of your mid 20s?

Anything bike for?

Left.

Was that not normal?

KB KB When was the last time you bought a bike?

He buys lots of.

Bikes, yeah.

Yeah, I'm going to speak.

I do.

I say I do buy bikes.

But if you're talking about going into a store and buying a bike I 2003.

Anyway, enough of that red dog, what are you doing next weekend?

I just got a weekend back.

Sorry.

50 grand for John Alamo's patrol.

Sold in 2020.

Right.

We, we don't have 50 grand at the moment, but we could work I reckon we could maybe raise it.

We could do like a capital.

What do you do it when you raise capital?

We could put out a yeah, we could.

We could raise some capital before the next time it comes up.

So.

What about?

You think they'd take 4 club cut limited edition OTV jerseys?

I think it.

Was three because yours is now worn red dog.

Oh, mine's so true, unfortunately.

Those might do value or it's gone up in value.

How much we could trade them?

Some state of play.

Right, we could.

That's mostly gone as well, Chocolate.

Starters is my favorite.

There's any list?

Yeah, list is on the top.

Of the nick in them, probably less we're.

Hopping into them on the weekend, that's for sure.

I will swap you some Sunbreaker ailes for chocolate stouts.

Sunbreak is quite good.

It's got a little head to lime in it.

I don't know Sunbreakers left, to be honest.

I've got some chocolate stout here.

I'll put those in the mail and I'll get I'll self addressed envelope and I'll get back to you A.

Step self addressed envelope.

I'll I'll send you 4 chocolate stouts if you send me those those valve steams that you promised me.

I haven't promised you any valve stems.

I think Chris has misinformed himself on that one.

I think you've confused yourself.

Or was I going to send you the link?

To the valve stems.

Now there's can go back and find a recording of you saying if you send me my tyres, I'll send you some Fillmore valves from my personal collection.

It's hard enough to get people.

To listen to the current episodes, let alone going back to go find old episodes.

Did I say that I I want I need to?

See a transcript here well.

Hang on, I got my tyres but one of them is not mine.

So you get 1 Fillmore valve.

I'll take I'll take 1 1/2 Fillmore valves.

I'll tell you, I'll tell you.

I'll.

Take those valves, I have no idea.

Where they sound.

So if you come and find them, you can have them.

Oh geez, I will send you a couple of stamps if you can send me 4 marginal gains.

Oh, we can.

We can tell you about marginal.

Gains.

I can message you some marginal gains.

Yeah, go tell them one thing.

I can't wait.

My nitrates.

My nitrates didn't help me.

They didn't need.

Had to give them a crack though.

Imagine how bad you would have gone without them.

Oh I know it would have been terrible.

I wouldn't have even made it to the 50 before I started losing positions rapidly.

Yeah.

I think I watched 18 positions from the 50K mark to the finish.

So I haven't looked at any real detail, but I did open my file the other day and pretty much at the three hour mark my power just stops going up.

So I think next year, maybe the 50K, it could be the guy.

Well, so I got to a point where like climbing up the last few climbs, I couldn't even get my heart rate to go up to put new power down.

Like my heart rate was just sitting at like 165, which is like a pretty normal kind of just, you know, semi decent pace but not pushing it.

And I couldn't get my heart rate to even go up.

I was like, I just don't have any energy to even push hard enough to put the effort in.

Like I was just creeping, turning those pedals over.

What was your heart rate on our run today, KB?

I'm curious about this.

I'd have to go and have a look.

I haven't really looked too deep into the run steps.

Let me stand.

Does anyone have a good Yeah How?

Do you get an FTP on running then on?

You know, give me some advice on that.

Garmin didn't tell you it my average heart rate today was 148.

Was it good or bad?

Well, that's pretty, pretty normal for me for like a yeah, we didn't put a huge, didn't put a huge pace in.

73 Yep.

So Chris, you started to talk about what's next for Red Dog.

Well, and when we died in he was he was packing a Billy bag and showing us his.

Absolutely.

Thing to do tomorrow night.

Wrong.

We're heading off.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

We're heading off after I.

Want to know what what gauge, what Micron gauge you've used to knit your underwear with with this merino underwear you're wearing?

Are you going?

With a fine gauge.

Or have you gone with a pretty fine?

Gauge.

Yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah.

OK.

Yeah, good.

It's.

Weary off now.

It's going to be it's going to be a bit of a shakedown, Lester.

I don't know if you're doing a pre shakedown for for the movie that we're doing in a few weeks.

But.

And you're going to start.

Teasing and just tell us what you're doing.

There's a lot of beating.

Around the Bush, we've already talked about it.

No, with the Renegade.

Muster and what they're going to be doing for.

Four days beating around the Bush for four days I'll be happy beating around the Bush before.

There's been some plans thrown around this week that are looking very daunting.

I was planning on taking a little bit longer to take off the 850 KS of this thing, but I think the boys have other ideas, especially Camel, who was an absolute menace apparently at the Fokker because he would hold up.

Start a few.

People on the start.

On the front row, didn't he?

Blow them away out of the client.

He started on the.

Front row.

Muscle memory.

Dear friend of the show Sam Horgan, the legend of of the Melbourne to Warrnambool and the biggest man to ever ride a road bike just.

Blow the doors off everyone do what the best.

The best part of the same same Horgan at the Walker was that he only beat other friend of the show Jingles by about 16 seconds at the end of the day.

But they didn't see each other all day because they started obviously like a few rows apart and had no idea Jingles is looking at the results afterwards.

It's like fuck, like I was so close.

I think this was.

Like behind me until the 50 or 40 or 45 odd K mate maybe whatever it was.

Yeah.

I didn't see him afterwards IA Quarter's eye at one point, but I didn't manage to catch up with him.

We're both too busy and in the depth conversations.

But when I passed him in a rapper, he was already somewhat looking in the box.

And then I saw him coming up the climb up to to Tokarangi.

And like, you can have all the power in the world, but when you big unit essentially a run, you've got to be putting that power when you're getting into the steep stuff.

And I was just like, no, you're inferred that sounds.

Like he was.

That he is a real it's a man who.

Exactly.

It's a man who can sustain some pain.

And I suspect, yeah, what probably crept up on him, if I was to read between the lines a little bit, is he'll be really, really used to his legs hooter and his lungs hooter.

But he won't be used to the rest of it.

You know how fucking just just ruins your whole body because it's brutal.

Like he won't be moving fluidly for about a year I'd say because.

That plays a great hand as well because we're going to go and do an 850 odd K race within two weeks, so.

Yeah, yeah.

And he just we're.

Going to need his, we're going to need his skill set.

A big ox on the front is exactly what we need.

Well.

He's going to.

Need to tow everybody around.

Put this lower half in because no one makes a Bibby bag that big.

I think she he was.

He had a Bibby bag coming.

You know, I listened to them.

I'm like I said, what is that extra long custom made Bibby?

And it was yeah.

Oh fuck, that's brilliant.

I love it.

So Renegades muster is it Red dog muster 4 days.

Yep.

800 KS Yeah, hopefully.

Three days, hopefully.

Three days.

Yeah, Hopefully 3.

Hopefully 3 days.

Friday morning, 7:00 AM, I think we start and hopefully by dark on Sunday we'll be back.

Light Dog.

Yeah.

Can you take us the whole way too?

Yeah, I'll be dot watching for government today.

Yeah.

Yeah, this sounds a little bit off topic, but you'll you'll see why in a second.

Where do you stand on cereal after lunchtime?

Oh, absolutely against it.

This is well known.

It's well known PM cereal.

So Nathan Sherrod is, he's basically written a thesis on this.

So what I want to know then is bike packing throws a lot of social norms and socially acceptable behavior out here window, you know?

What am I?

Why would I be in?

Cereal.

So you're not well cuz you'd eat anything, right?

Like this is what I'm curious about.

Cereal's like the most inconvenient thing to eat.

Bike packing.

You could have a bowl and milk.

Don't you get one of those little pecks?

Yeah, like the little the little treble peg, so you can just actually tip the milk straight into the plastic bag that.

You like get for the kids and they get to choose if they have Corning or like, you know, rices and stuff.

Yeah, yeah.

And you'd always go for Coco Pops first.

Yeah.

Cocoa pots wouldn't be good when you're deep for the man.

Cocoa pops before, right or after.

Right.

And how are you gonna eat this?

Just like a chocolate milkshake, only crunchy.

Or honey puffs, I tell you.

Honey puffs, Yeah.

Honey puffs honey.

Puffs, yours and mine are you?

Grand were you a honey?

Puffs.

I love them.

Hang on, what about if we take into like eating like an LCM bar?

Because that's basically cereal.

Like we eat that after.

Lunch time my issue comes with the like the bowl like here's my issue Kerry is when someone has dinner and then sits down for a nice bowl of cereal as dessert like there's so many better options for dessert than a bowl of Coco pops It's.

It's currently 9:51 PM as we talk, and I'm wondering what cereal we have in the cupboard because I'm actually getting pretty keen for a little bowl of cereal full time, yeah.

I've got a little bowl of cocoa pots right now.

Maybe some ice cream?

Speaking of LCM bars, I have got a confession to make.

I had leftovers from the weekend and I've been eating them this afternoon.

Am I good?

Also, I I had like 4 of them in my pockets when I got to the last feed zone and I stopped and I hadn't touched them and begsi had a bottle of water for me and I'm like emptying all these LCM bars onto the ground and he's like, don't you want those?

And I'm like, I'm not eating them at this point.

But I never, I never got them back.

So hopefully benzies eating those.

And yeah, hopefully he's making.

A Coke.

I picked up a coke from that last feed.

Sorry, not a Coke, a Red Bull from him at the last feed.

And I stuck it in my pocket and I was like, right, I'm gonna have that just before we turn around to come back and got the the last time up on the and Mike Mitts was there at the feed and he's like Red Bull, What are you doing saying along those lines?

And I was like, I'll show you.

Anyway, I got to the turn I got coming back and I was like, I'm not going to drink this thing.

And I saw Mike's bike lying on the ground.

So I just dropped my Red Bull there.

Hopefully it looks it up.

Didn't drink it, did I?

It was.

Like I was well stopped at that last feed, just slowly restocking and throwing shit out of my pockets.

Mike's like, well, you're not in a hurry.

Hey, you, KB.

And I'm like, I'm fucked.

I'm like, I'm spending as much time here as I can.

Hey, did anyone, did anyone finish the race with more gels than they started with?

You know, stock up the supplies.

I did have that in my mind when I went past the feed zone.

I was like, man, Chris, Chris would be in there tucking in right now and loading the pockets.

Yeah, I.

Saw a few of those sis gels on the ground like full and I was like well they're pricey I could probably pick those up.

I saw some of them too, yeah.

That was the IT was there was like gonna gotta remember Lester.

We came through the hardline and there was like a stack maybe like 4 gels like unopened on the ground.

Someone had been down and lost all their gels.

They're.

Probably wearing a skid suit like ours.

KD pockets too small.

That I I couldn't.

Believe actually on the on the things falling on the ground subject, there was so much rubbish on the trails it was unbelievable.

It was.

Literally.

Weird.

I'm like.

What are you people doing?

I'm like, I'm sure some of it's falling out of people's pockets, but I've also seen people just nick a gel and just throw it on the ground and I'm like, just.

Surely there can't be that much falls out like I'll tell you what I mean, Maybe.

You're supposed to put them in the cargo pockets of your of your shorts and then they lake of it and then they stick to your leg here.

Or you do what I did and I was coming in not too far away from 50K feet.

I popped a gel and we were caught behind the elite woman.

We'd caught them at this point and we were kind of like cruising and I and so I punched the gel, but I was trying to ride one handed three, a little bit of kind of lumpy single track and I still had some gel in it, but I needed to grab the bar.

But I had it in my hand, not in my mouth at this point.

I grabbed the bar and it squished the rest of the gel out all over my hand.

I was just like like milking the gel off my and then and then like trying to drag my hand on the bushes on the side to wipe it off.

But in the end it actually was it was actually really good because my hand was like nice and tacky and I just almost and I ended up through the day getting gel on my other hand as well and on purpose.

I ended up like tacked on gross.

I.

Think they call that the stranger when it's on your other hand?

I'll tell you what, there's something special about the state that you finish a race like that and I like you.

For me anyway, I'm I'm caked and dried sweet, so salt, a bit of mud, gels just kind of everywhere, a bit of chamois cream in there, heaps of snot as well.

Generally comes out at some point in the roads.

It's just, it's fucking horrible.

Isn't it tell you what the best?

My best the best $10 to spend post race is to walk down to secret spot and go have a shower.

That was the that was the best $10 I spent the whole weekend.

You didn't hop in this far.

No, I just went and showered.

OK, so here's here's my pitch for next time I attend Walker.

I'm not going to race.

I'm going to be the OTB morale coach and Bosch is going to hook me up with a Viola, which I'll use.

So it sounds like I'll be bringing my bike up for you.

So either either Bosch or Santa Cruz can take care of that.

Whichever whichever wants to come to the party, they can bid for it.

And I'll be the morale coach.

I'll also be the litter police.

But then I'll also host an after party at secret spot and you can come and dunk your feet in the warm pools or you can spy.

You can.

Have a DJ sit.

Yeah, shouldn't you do it secret spot?

Yeah.

And like, yeah, I'll do a DJ sit because I'll have the Dern lumber.

Yeah.

But just don't wanna try.

We can drive it straight in on site, yeah.

Yeah.

And I'll yeah, that's, that's my, that's my walk.

And then we'll have an after party at the lava bar.

Yes, yes, we'll have an after party.

That sounds cool.

At the at the at the the campground.

What's it called?

Famous campground.

The Thermal.

Holiday Park Thermal.

Holiday Park.

And then when everyone gets kicked out of the Thermal Holiday Park, we'll jump in someone's van, someone's lowered van with a couch in the back, and we'll go to Love Bar.

That's great.

Sounds like a plan.

Yeah, looking forward to it.

All right, boys, All right.

I think this is probably time that we wrapped up the the last 15 minutes of just absolute sideways chat.

Are we going again?

Are we going back next year?

We got again.

Yeah, Oh yeah, assume that's the case 01 thing.

Next major event on Horizon after Renegades is KB Reed.

Dog and I are all doing the spectacle, the running event.

So.

Yep, 23 KS.

List I'm some of them are not.

You don't have coverage in these anymore here.

No, I don't have one of them.

Yeah, the other one definitely on the dodgy side too.

So the good the good news is the spectacle's only about 5 weeks away and I did my first run of the year today, so we're looking pretty good for it there.

You go.

All right.

Good.

Yeah, did 6 KS today.

So we're quarter of the way there.

I reckon next week I'll do 12.

The week after I'll do whatever the derivative of that is, you know, 3 * 6 and then, yeah.

I think I'll do it and then I'm going.

To hit two weeks of taper.

Yeah, I think I'll do another couple of those 6K runs and then just do the 20.

What is it 24?

Yeah, 20 that yeah.

What's what's half K between friends?

We'll get there when it's time.

I got.

Probably cramped for the first time at about 10K mark, 1015K mark.

Good.

I haven't experienced cramp whilst running yet, so that'll be a new one.

Cramps.

Joy.

Yeah, yeah, we're.

Gonna.

Enjoy that.

The best thing about running is chafish, so that's something.

Great.

Got that to look forward to as well.

Yeah.

And.

You don't need.

Help with that now.

Do yeah.

I'm just going to train myself and shammy butter.

Yeah, just.

Squirt shammy cream, you mean?

Yeah, that's the one.

Yeah, Yep.

It's running on shammy.

You've come.

Is someone operating a weed eater somewhere there's.

Someone trying to work out there's?

Someone cutting a massive tree down outside our house.

I think it's the Council.

Or cutting part of that.

What a convenient time for them.

To cut a tree down at 10.

O'clock 10:00 Cheers.

Guys, Yeah.

All right, we'll, we'll leave you to your your arborist outside and thanks again to our our friends at Maxus Fox suspension and Squirt Lube also stayed a play for the tasty, tasty beers that they supplied us for the weekend.

And I don't know when we'll see again.

Maybe we'll recap the spectrum in a few weeks.

But now eventually Lester and I did record a podcast with Dog Boy from Wide open while we were at the Walker.

So that'll be a really good one.

We'll drop that in the next week or so.

So that'll be great.

I think we need to put KB Red Dog or Lester in the hot seat as well.

So that can it's coming up soon.

We'll add that to the ticket.

So we'll, we'll have some more episodes.

We'll find some shit to talk.

We always do.

We always go sideways and otherwise.

We'll see you next time.