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We reconvene once again in the Rugby Direct studio with the All Blacks retaining the bleaters Low for a twenty third straight summer on the back of a thirty three twenty four win over the Wilby's at Eden Parker will get into that very shortly as well.

We'll also wrap up the Black Ferns World Cup campaign, but let's get into bleeders Low first and foremost.

Ligam your initial top line reactions to the All Blacks shaking off the Wallabies.

At Eden park.

I think we largely got what we expected Elliott, the bounce back, the response, but still questions lingering over this All Black team after that performance.

Some inconsistencies within that game, blowing some big leads and I think we got what we expected from the Wallabies as well, highly competitive, they didn't go away.

They've got a depth of character and resilience that they haven't had before.

So a pressure relieving victory for the All Blacks, wasn't it coming off the darkest day?

Perhaps a bit of a shred of light you bank the bledder is low, so the trophy cabinet's not entirely bere But yeah, I think more evidence is required before there's any form of conviction that we can definitively say that this All Black team is progressing.

Yeah.

I think the consistency is the issue, and we weren't going to answer that question on Saturday night at Eden Park because for consistency you need to bank wins back to back to back and we won't really be able to judge that, or at least leave the current turned a corner until probably the end of the season, if indeed that is the case.

So well, I think the All Blacks did well though was Their attacking shape looked a lot better against the Australians.

They were able to bend the line a little bit better, but most of that came from the man wearing the number nine jersey cam Reyguard.

Now we've just got back from the airport and heard from Jason Ryan who described him as phenomenal.

That performance last night.

It showed what a difference he can make to this All Blacks team.

And to be honest, head and shoulders, he is around the half back role for this All Blacks team at the moment.

He sparked everything last night, or a lot of their attack at the very least, his snipes around the ruck, his defense is ball carrying.

It was just a sublime performance.

It wasn't even perfect.

It wasn't you know.

He was a couple of errand box kicks.

There was a knock on at one point, but by and large and he was the beating heart of that All Blacks attack.

Absolutely yeah, And I think we've become accustomed in years gone by.

Obviously Aaron Smith was superb, but he still played in an era largely where Dan Carter was there, where Richie McCall was there, and even in this era, it's more about your artist severe type characters.

In terms of so you think about inspirational figures, it's largely been first fives and loose forwards.

Well, cam Reguard has to be the most influential player in the All Black team, and he's played thirteen tests yea, a handful home, a handful of starts.

But as you say, his hid and shoulders above and just his size, like he says, running game, his support lines, his boot.

He not single handedly changed the shape of that attack, but he just made a massive difference because he holds those inside defenders.

And it's certainly the best that we've seen that All Black attack this year.

That they did have all the ball in that film, they scored three tries in the first twenty four minutes.

They had a lot more space and freedom, they played with width, they largely kept the ball in hand, a lot less kicking I think than previous weeks.

But the set piece was much better.

It's not the same team the spring box to the Wallabies, but the set piece wasn't vastly improved and the high ballwork as well.

So some big improvements, but yeah, some big concerns I think.

And the way they blew leads and allowed the Wallabies to come back.

At twenty points to three up, the All Blacks should kick on with it there, and they were up by that margin at twenty four minutes.

As you say, and they didn't really and this is on the sniff test rather than me having any stats to back it up, but they didn't really see a lot of the ball for the last fifteen minutes of that first spell and Australia were able to get two tries out of it.

What concerns me the most is that interior defense inside the twenty two when Australia able to build a little bit of pressure and they did well, I thought, just being able to gain a meet hero there and all of a sudden they're in the twenty two and able to snipe and able to put some pressure on the All Blacks defense.

So that's the worry for me is that the defense from the All Blacks still isn't right.

They weren't able to squeeze the Wallabies, they weren't able to get defensive winds down that area of the park and when they got into the twenty two it was all I don't say easy, but it was fairly straightforward for the Wallabies to be able to get some points when they went down that into the park.

Yeah, and similar they scored in similar ways.

Australia were very deliberate in their directness around the ruck they hammered away there before sweeping wide, and that was clearly a tactic that joshmat or Mike Cron or someone had seen.

They sucked in the All Blacks defenders and then they went a little bit wider and there's effectively no one there.

It was all too easy when they did those get that pay in the All Blacks twenty two.

I don't want to shine the light massively on the officials, but I think it's worth touching on.

The Italian referee was a massive focal figure for the Wallabies in the second Test in the British and Irish Lions in Melbourne, so clearly there is a bit of anks to hang over from that, but he blew twenty five penalties.

He was a massive influence and presence on this game.

For me both ways.

I'm looking at some of those rock penalties and decisions and it's like wow, like what I think twenty five penalties generally is too much.

You need to take a bit of a step back.

But I do want to make the point that that's not the reason that Australia loss.

Has been a lot of fallout from that across the ditch around Harry Potter's yellow card.

I think the oblicks.

Sorry, the Wallabies conceded the last five or six penalties, so a lot of anks around that.

For me, that's not reason the Wallabies los lost.

Look at your start, look at other factors of the game.

But I don't think he should be the referee should be getting such big time test matches when he's not performing on that stage.

You know he's not and I don't.

I think the big issue with me in PRT is that he doesn't seem to have a feel for the game, and that is an intangible but twenty five penalties, regardless of the amount of fringing, is too much and maybe he could have gone to the card pocket a little bit earlier to try and stuff some of that out, but he just didn't seem to have a lock on how the game was transpiring in front of him.

And I felt this on a number of occasions now when Party has been refereeing, is that his first instinct is to blow his whistle rather than allow the teams to play.

And I think he is one of a number of referees that have been elevated above their station far too early by World Rugby.

It's a complicated game to referee at the moment Rugby and we could all use the rule book being you know, whittled down a little bit.

But it seems like a really northern hemisphere approach to bring up these referees.

And Nick Shekelly is another one who I just do not think is at international standard.

I know he's got his fans up north, but to me, Parti and Alma Shekelly, it's almost like World Rugby are trying to tick a box and go We're helping out George and Rugby by getting this refere on the world stage.

Well, simply, I don't think he's up to it, and I think Party needs to take a step back.

There are a number of good referees around the globe.

Luke Pearce seems to have fallen off the face of the earth.

I'm not sure what that's about the English reef, so I think Joel Jute needs to take a week step back.

There needs to be some sort of pathway change around that, because there are too many referees being elevated too early.

Having said that, I agree with you that that wasn't the referee the reason the Wallaby's lost last night thirty six miss tackles to the All Blacks eleven James Economissing touch on two occasions.

Three was it ye kick the ball out on the fall from another restart.

That is the reason why the Wallabies lost last night, and in fact, they weren't really able to play in the areas of the ground that they wanted to often enough.

I thought they'll pin back in the All Blacks territory for for long passages of the game.

As I said before, when they did get into the All Black staff, they looked dangerous, but they just didn't play in the right areas of the park and with the ball for long enough.

And you know, I saw a colleague, Sam Bruce of ESPN who we had on the pod, well we're on his pod last year suggesting he thought the Wallabies played most of the rugby.

I don't think they did.

I think the All Blacks played most of it.

The Wallabies took their chances when they had them, but I felt like the All Blacks dictated things.

And that goes back to the fact when the All Blacks are twenty two points to three up, they really should have kicked on and being ruthless, and that was a word that came out from Ardie Savia in the post match media conference is they need to be ruthless.

They need to be when they're twenty points to three up, even if you don't score any more points in the half, you get some stops, you make some big tackles, you make those moments and you go into the break at twenty points to three or even twenty points eight or ten up at a half time.

Different game from that point.

But they are putting themselves under a little bit more pressian They probably need to at the moment, the All.

Blacks they are and look, it's hard because there's a lot of positives to take out of that game.

We touched on Cam Roy guard Cody tay Tylor was a massive influence coming back.

I thought Jordi Barrett probably had his best test this year.

Wallace to Tt and Will Jordan were prominent with ball in hands.

So the All Blacks did a lot of things well.

But then it's just that lack of conviction, whether it's a mentality thing, clocking off and allowing the Wallabies to come back and get it within three points at halftime and not finding a way through those momentum swings, not having a big time player stand up and you can look for a few excuses because there were a number of disruptions to the All Blacks.

They finished that game with Quinte Pyre on the wing.

Another positive was a bench Patrick Tuopolo to Samasoni Takyajo and well Quinte Pie and Peter Lucky I thought made a real impact when they came on.

But it's still patchy and that's what we've seen consistently from this All Black team throughout this Rugby Championship and even going back to last year.

They finished the Raby champions with a fifty percent record and that's where they're potentially hitting now.

So have they improved at all under Robinson at this point, I don't think you could say they.

Could they No, No.

I think at the back end of last year, I think there were signs.

Yes, they lost to France, but it felt like with that England win which was built on some some real toughness and really not playing that well but still emerging with the win Ireland, the best test of the year dropped against France.

You know, at started to France and then a poor performance against Italy, but it felt like they were making some shifts and then obviously took a big steps backward against Argentina and again that big loss against South Afy a couple of weeks ago.

So they're not stagnant necessarily.

But the body of work is not there to say, here's the incremental improvements, here's the back to back performances, here's the long instances within games or when they're under pressure, they're responding that body of work is not there.

No, it's not.

And again when it got back to twenty six to twenty four, it felt like, and look, everyone's got a different perspective on how the game unfolds, but you kept waiting for the All Blacks to crack that game open, whether it was before half time and they're already up twenty points to three, but just to put the foot on the throat.

Then again after halftime, you know, twenty to seventeen after the break, Yes, I put a couple of penalties on the board, but didn't feel really like Australia had earned getting back to twenty six to twenty four.

I mean then the greatest respectcause it felt like the All Blacks are playing most of the rugby.

But therein lies the problem is that the All Blacks have played most of the rugby, but weren't getting their rewards and that had the door open to Australia to potentially come through and steal the game.

Yeah.

One area Shirlia did well was disrupt the All Blecks breakdown.

Frase mcwright, Harry Wilson Hooper, Nick Frost.

I thought that the Wallabies full pack really disrupted and competed well at the breakdown and that's where they actually got a lot of pay.

That's how they came back into the game.

So that'll be a massive area of focus.

The All Bleck's ball carrying was good at times, but I thought they're cleaners, lacked a bit of urgency and body heights.

Ye, so I think Australia tick for them won the area of the game.

But by and large, the All Blacks had a lot of a lot of territory, a lot of front foot possession, and it's that ruthlessness to put teams away when you have that dominance.

And we've seen teams throughout this Rugby Championship score points quickly when they have that momentum, and the All Blecks did that and patches, but then they buttoned off and it's it's that area that of conviction, of ruthlessness that this All Black team is yet to convince, and Artie Severe spoke to that, I think very well postmatch he said, you know, we need to be hard on ourselves.

We need to help hold ourselves accountable because effectively, what he's saying is this isn't the benchmark.

We need to be better.

We need to improve, and that's very evident.

It is.

So you touched up before Bodenbartt goes off early in the game.

Relatively speaking, they also lose Ethan to Grootz and then Caleb Clarke goes off injured.

But in terms of Boden Barrett, how much of an influence is his loss because he's not going to be going to Perth.

Damien McKenzie, you would suspect will start at ten, but as we look forward now it's a big loss for the All Blacks.

But McKenzie, you know, no stranger to filling that ten jersey.

He's not, but he is this year.

He's a one test at ten in Hamilton when there was a rafter changes and it didn't go very well.

I think McKenzie is a different player.

He's an accomplished ten certainly at tests at super rugby level.

He guided the All Blacks in their best performance of last year against Ireland in Dublin, so I think he will take a lot of confidence from that.

He's the best goalkicker by quite some distance, so that helps as well.

He I think he challenges the line, digs into the line a lot more than Boden, so that could help their attack.

But I think he still has.

I don't know whether it's flightiness or a brain explosion, but he has a mistake in them or a rash moment, so that's a bit of a concern.

And it did feel like the All Blacks attack wasn't quite as sharp when he went off, and I don't know whether other factors are at play there potentially, but it is a big opportunity for him because a bone better.

We don't know yet, has to have scans.

AC shoulder injuries without surgery can be anywhere from two to twelve weeks, so who knows how long bon is going to be sidelined.

They haven't called in anyone for Perth this week, and you think that's a bit of a risk.

I think it's a big risk.

Look, it's one flight and you know it's what's seven and a half hours to get there, but they've left here.

We're recording this on Sunday.

They're not taking any cover.

They'll train on Tuesday.

If Damian McKenzie rolls an ankle or does his knee or what.

You don't wish that on them, Robin Love for that matter, then by that point you fly someone over, it's probably first until they train, they probably don't even play.

I think it's a risk, not just to have an extra body there.

And yes, you know someone coming in fresh and cold may not know the calls necessarily, but surely they're better to have some ten cover because what is the case if McKenzie goes down Rebon Love obviously starts, But where does your teen cover come from the bench?

Do you look to Jordi Barrett who had one test at ten and it's probably the next natural playmaker and the team you know hasn't played ten and six years and there was only a one off against Aamibia.

You look to a cam Roygard potentially to slide out to ten with Christy and Ratama the I mean, it's worst case scenario thinking, but I'm surprised that they haven't.

You handed Josh Jacob or someone a plane tick and see come with us to Perth, even if they ended up sitting in the stands for a week for the game.

Brother, Yeah, I think it's it is a resp because every squad usually has three tens, three half backs, three hookers.

They very specialized positions.

Del Blecks have called in Tavita Mafialo as covered for Ethan the group.

Now that's largely for a posed scrummaging I think.

And also Elie Norris is back Andrew been listed as injured in recent weeks, so maybe they're down on loose head props there.

But yeah, you wouldn't want to be going into attest a couple of days out having flown someone over.

You could argue perhaps James O'Connor's performance was affected by flying all the way from Europe arriving on the Monday.

I don't know where they're necessarily affected as kicking, but it is a long way to travel and it is disruption, So yeah, I don't know why they're not erring on the side of caution and calling in in a Josh Jacob.

To provide Scott Barrett will be sis during the week hat of Clark as well with an ankle indrets or him.

Golf will be assessed as well as the week goes on.

So if we look at this from an All Blacks team perspective, they're going to have to replace McKinsey with Barrett Sorry vice versa degree will be out and you'd suspect this might be to Mighty Williams first start of the season since he's come back.

You see there being too many other changes, you know, Barrett Vye injuries pinned in Caleb Clark as well.

Yeah, I don't know whether Caleb Clark plays.

I don't know how bad it is.

He told us at the airport today is feeling a lot better than last night's but it's the same ankle he reinjured, So maybe they're weerr on the side of caution.

I thought he was really good and his power carries.

He terrorized Harry Potter.

He was good in the air.

If Caleb's out, there's two options, really, isn't there, Lisa fining Anooku or Riko Ohanney and I'd go Lester.

I think Ricco's had his chance and didn't take it, And I think we need to see Lester and Lester's probably seen more as a midfielder.

He's spent basically two years in France playing midfield, so maybe there's some concerns under the high ball.

But you think about bringing him off the wing.

He's a real power option and I don't think at this stage you could replace Quinta Pyre off the bench.

He's been very good in his contributions, very direct, powerful carries.

Taking his chance.

So if you don't go Lester in the starting team, I don't know if you can bring him onto the bench.

Yeah, I think that's probably a fair assumption.

Billy Procter at the center again, I thought it had a solid test, considered a penalty, and it's probably found defensively lacking.

A couple of times it felt like Leroy Carter has sort of made some of the spot tackles that you'd probably expect Proctor to make them in terms of getting so elity and a guitar to ground.

But it seems like they are going to persist with Billy Proctor because, without speaking too deeply to the all Blacks on this, it does feel like the more opportunities they give them, the more they believe it will click and things will get into place, and it might just be something that clicks into gear and it's a you know, Eureka moment, he's got it.

There was that one frustrating rock penalty unnecessary, and yeah, a couple of distribution moments that went well for him, but it's still not clicking.

But I agree.

I think they will stick with them, partly because they are potentially going to have to make changes elsewhere.

The All Blacks were relatively confident that Scott Brott would return next week, so maybe he comes straight in for two per VI, but well, McKenzie coming in, potential change on the on the left wing, change at loose heads.

You have to make some changes to the bench.

I don't think you want to be tinkering too much, given how important it is to register successive wins.

But I think you could still say that that Billy hasn't taken his chance.

That was Bill Black's best attacking performance largely, and he still didn't really shine.

You look at the way Quinn impacted things when he's come on Jordi Barrett's match winning moment again, and we just haven't seen enough of Billy, particularly on attack, I think, and just on Leroy Carter I really like what he's done coming into Test rugby.

He doesn't look overwards and those two tackles on sauy Lee and Iktl completely punching above his weights, drawing on the seventh scene, and he's highly involved from the wing.

Goes looking for work, so does Sevu.

But Sevu's just really erratic.

You don't know what he's doing.

I think Leroy overplayed his hand when he got held up.

Yeah, but he scored one.

Try doing that, so I don't think he could be too harsh on him having a crack.

But I like the fact he goes looking for work and the All Blacks are compensating for his height by using Jordi Barrett in the backfield.

I thought that that worked well.

So I think he's really taking his chance.

Yeah, if He've been very impressed by him on both sides of the park, left wing, right wing, and you know not every wing can play both sides, but he's shown that he can, and yeah, I think he's surely going to play the third letters line looks to be a real keeper for the All Blacks.

And it's all about taking your opportunities.

I mean, you think back morning another were injured in that Eden Park game squad an early try I went off a few moments later.

He wont be back this week and maybe interviewed two is more his time frame.

But you know, things can change pretty quickly in the All Blacks environment.

Just in terms of that big picture in the Rugby Championship, the spring Box overnight putting a real score on Argentina sixty seven points to thirty.

In terms of the overall standings, you know, the boxer leading the way in the Rugby Championship by just a point, but it is going to be potentially decided who knows on points difference and in which case the Springboks have got a massive head start there fifty five plus too the All Blacks negative six, so you know it's all to play for, and you know the Warbies could come through and sneak it the next weekend.

Argentina out of the record, but it's going to go probably down to the wire.

It's twicking them to decide this Rugby Championship next weekend.

Yeah, I don't know this definitively because I remember a Rugby Championship I'd intended to test at Alice Park when the Springbots had to score x amount of points to win the Raby Championship.

But somebody said today that this is the tightest Raby Championship in history.

It's certainly captivating and it is going to come down to the wire.

I can't see the All Blacks going to Perth and getting a bonus point win.

I think it will be plus three tries.

It is more difficult these days than I.

Think it's going to come down to a knife edge.

I think the Wallabies are going to improve.

They're on home soil.

They get Will Skelton back, Rob Valentini and potentially Tom Liner as well.

I saw the called and Josh Flick Fluke yep Fluke.

I don't think he's a big game changer.

But maybe there's some injuries concerns in their midfield.

But they'll be stronger, particularly for having Skelton back in that mix.

So I'm nervous for the All Blacks and Perth and I can't see them going there and getting a bonus points.

So it's certainly the box Rugby Championship to lose.

Yeah, And would that game being at Twickenham.

Absolutely yeah.

If it was in Argentina.

If they're going to Buenos Aires, then it might be a different story.

But let's see what Felippe countinpo me can magic up when they go to London Town this week.

Are all to play for this weekend?

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You're back with Rugby Directs and Black Ferns taking the bronze medal at the Women's Rugby World Cup won by England, who were the tournament favorites.

So comfortably against England this morning ra against Canada this morning thirty fe three thirteen, the Black Funs beating France forty two to twenty six, but game was kind of done when they leave thirty nine to seven.

Look, those third fourth playoffs are tough games to play.

No one wants to be playing them.

The Black Ferns pretty much did or you could ask of them in terms of putting in a score.

They probably clicked off a little bit too early around the hour mark and allowed France to get a wee sniff and closer within thirteen or one stage.

But I think would you deem it a successful tournament liam on the on the basis of what we've seen for the Black Fans.

No, No, I don't know.

You can't they win in as defending champions, and while that is.

Skewed, I think, you know, look, give them all the credit they deserve for winning that final, but they were up against a phenomenal English team who had been dominant for or have been dominant for eight plus years, so there's a bit of context around them in terms of coming into this tournament.

But I think you could have deemed the tournament as success of the Black Ferns have made the final, and I think what paints that more starkly is the fact that Canada are largely still an amateur program, and so for all the money and resource that's been invested in the Black Ferns, I don't think you've seen enough improvements from that team, and to lose that semi final.

It is extremely disappointing.

Yes, great to bounce back and when the third and fourth, but I don't deem this tournament a success, And I think when it comes time for the review that we be serious questions asked about why they didn't make their final.

I think there are a number of factors.

We did talk about a couple last week around where the Super Rugby or pick is preparing players adequately, don't have a huge amount of answers for that.

England's pumping a lot of money into their women's premiership and not many other unions in the world are able to one match that or to even have the interest in doing that, and I think that creates is going to create some issues over the next few years.

And there's a lot of candidate Canadian players at play in that English competition, so while their own pathways are not great and the funding's not there, that's playing top quality games against a lot of English players and worldwide players.

But England at the moment are kind of dictating terms in women's rugby and I don't see that changing or picky you know link with Australia.

Don't think that solves too many issues around it.

So you might get a few Black fans going up and playing in that women's premiership on loan or on sabbaticals, whatever it might be.

But in terms of just being battle hardened to be honest, I can only see England getting better and better just because, as I said, their pathways are so elites.

They've got a lot of money poured in from the financial mic that they have and again interest level wise from you know, Australia, other countries around the world don't think it's there for the women's program.

No, I totally agree.

And yeah, that level of investments on the whole matters.

It hasn't matter for Canada, but I think they are the exception to the rule and you've got to really praise them for what they've done and.

To get to that stage.

But I agree, I think England will get better and better because of depth, because they are fully professional and everything that comes with that that you wrap around your squads.

So yeah, and also John Mitchell gets his first World Cup title.

That's right, he had denied in two thousand and three by stealing Wartlock.

Gets the chocolates this time again.

Maybe the second coming, what is the second coming perhaps of John Mitchell, who knows what he's up to next.

You see Alan Bunting sticking around.

I believe my understanding is he's off contract with the Black Ferns.

I'm not sure whether he wants to seek or renewal or not.

But today he's some changes the coaching set up for that team.

Yeah, potentially I think they might.

And the only hard thing is there's no obvious successor that just stands out as the how.

Long is John Mitchell contracted for Eland rugby?

Is time to come home?

Can you afford him?

Yeah?

Well that's it.

There's not really any standouts, especially if you look for a specialist women's coach that has been coaching a women's environments.

You know, Willie Walker has done it with the Blues women's side, Crystal Carl has left and gone overseas.

From the Chiefs, Whitney Hansen maybe potentially an option who's been around Mutha Tu Blair Baxter coach Canterbury and Matter two in their first Sea So it's not like there are huge options from a New Zealand perspective standing up.

But whether there's anyone overseas you Canada's he coached all right, you look to He's going to be fascinating for New Zealand rugby.

But I think this tournament has created a lot of questions and it's been a successful tournament overall.

Full world rugby and the Women's World Cup, but I feel this is the only market it could have been successful in.

New Zealand obviously embraced it in twenty twenty two after that delay, but it's only in three stadiums in the northern part of the country.

As I've touched on women's rugbies on the upwards traductory in the UK.

In Australia in four years time, will it be embraced the same way?

Don't know.

Yeah, not sure that they got behind the woman's Football World Cup in a big way, but football certainly has a much bigger profile in Australia and it helps massively when your national team is competitive, is going to progress, has a profile and you could argue Rugby Australia's.

Investments or priority in their women's.

Games actually lagged in recent years rather than pumping them up.

So yeah, big test for the women's game and where it stands to take outside of that market where it is really really really well supported.

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We will be back later in the week.

Eliam myself will be in Perth counting down to the second leathers low cup test, looking forward to that and maybe a schooner or so and seeing a couple of quakers.

Rude, not too absolutely.

What's the Australian fish but a barrow or something baron?

I don't know what though, Yeah, yeah, what's the Western Australian beer of choice?

Don't know, We'll find out, We'll report back.

Thanks as always NPE, so thanks to last and Bars English.

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