As you watch the screen, your heart begins to beat faster.

There's a fluttering in the pit of your stomach.

Your throat is dry, your palms damp.

Suddenly, a chill runs down your spine.

You clutch the person next to you.

You tell yourself it's only a movie.

It's only a movie, but sooner or later, it's time to come home.

Welcome to Film Strip.

I'm Lindsay.

I'm Ron.

I'm Jay.

And we are here with our special guest, Ryan, who I go way back with.

She's been on a couple of episodes on the pod, The Last Airbender, and I think it was talented Mr.

Ripley.

Is that right, Ryan?

And thank you for having me back.

Yeah, we're so excited to have you back.

Have you been up to anything recently?

Nothing.

Guys playing video games.

Yes, Bulger's Gate and then just performing, but other than that, just living day-to-day and watching zombie movies apparently.

Yes.

Well, we're super excited to get into it and super excited to have you on the podcast again.

And we are here, as Ryan already mentioned, to talk about a zombie movie to wrap up our Shocktober 2025 with our review of Dawn of the Dead starring Sarah Polley, Ving Rhames, Jake Webber, Mackay Pfeiffer, Ty Burrell, Michael Kelly, Kevin Zegers, Michael Berry, Lindy Booth, J Eastwood, Matt for Bruce Bone, Scott Reiniger, Tom Savini, and Kevin Forrey.

I think I got most of those names correct.

It's based on the 1978 George Romero cult classic and written by James Gunn.

The directorial debut of Zack Snyder released in 2004 and was a mega hit.

So let's hear everyone's background with this movie.

Jay, let's start with you.

I saw this in theaters when it came out.

It looked like something fun that I would want to catch in a movie theater.

And so I went and saw it.

I didn't know who Zack Snyder was.

I I didn't keep up with who directed music videos and commercials and still don't to this day.

So I just heard a lot about him and I saw the trailer and thought, that's a interesting take on that Romero film.

Let's go check that out and I'll say the rest of my thoughts for later.

But yeah, so I went and saw this when it came out in theaters and I've seen it a couple times since, but definitely have have thoughts about it.

Cool, Ron, how about you?

This is probably the movie I've seen most in theaters.

I'm pretty sure I've told the story a million times on the podcast, so I'll do a condensed version.

The college town I lived in when this movie came out, I knew the theater manager so I could just go for free and I could just bring in whatever I wanted because after the first like couple of showings, it was just me watching it in a mostly empty theater.

So, you know, here the backpack of full of tall boys and stolen chicken from the dining center and, you know, fast food and pizza and and war beer and basically whatever I wanted.

It was like my own private screening room, but you know, 20 feet wide and, you know, 30 feet wide and 20 feet tall.

And I've always had a deep affection for the movie.

A couple years after this came out, I took AI went to a screen writing conference in Nashville where one of the people that gave the screen writing conference was James Gunn.

So I got to work.

I actually got to to be in like small group settings and and workshops with him.

So that was super cool before most people knew who he was.

This is before super was coming out.

Like Super was in post production at this time.

So that should tell you how long ago this was.

And he actually, when I had my first go at maintaining my own website, me and me and some friends, one of whom is now a professional author slash AE W podcaster, and the other who is does not merge for wrestlers.

Weirdly enough, one of the people I got to interview for that site was James Gunn because I followed him on Myspace.

And I was like, hey man, can I just ask you some questions for this stupid site I have.

And he was like, sure, I've got nothing better to do with my time.

This is before I'm the guy in charge of DC.

So it was super cool, super nice guy, really super smart, encyclopedic knowledge of Midwestern power pop music, Jay.

So I feel like you 2 would get along really well.

Super dot in the little comic book nerd.

So when he started showing up for these things and the Marvels and the DC stuff, I was like, well, he's a perfect pick because he knows this stuff backwards and forwards and actually cares about the source material.

And I, I maintain that to this day.

And also I've, you know, I went on DVD and I've watched it 1000 times and it's one of those ones I'll can pop on pretty much at a moment's notice and have a good time.

Nice.

And Ryan, have you did you have you seen this movie before?

I asked you to to review this.

So you just you just blindly agreed.

I love that.

This is why we're friends.

You are a dangerous woman to me.

This.

Was this was before I realized I had a love for horror and this one I guess I just didn't pay attention to.

I love early 2000s like horror films and this one I guess I just didn't watch.

Zombie films are kind of like a hit or a miss for me to be perfectly honest.

But you were like, you want to come back on film strip And I was like, I haven't been banished.

All right, I'll come back on.

So yeah, I watched the 2004.

I watched a little bit of the George Romero film, which I'm certain we'll get into later.

But yeah, this was my first time watching it.

Awesome.

I also, I actually, I don't remember if I saw this in the theaters when it came out or not.

So, but I saw it definitely the year it came out.

It was just a huge, huge thing.

I was in college at the time and so it was just one of those movies that every single person was watching.

So I saw it then I watched it several times.

My brother is my horror movie watching buddy and so we actually lived together for about two years at like as adults after we were out of college and stuff.

And so this was a regular watch as well, but I haven't really seen it since it's been a while.

So this was, I had to rewatch it and brush up and I remembered very little about it.

So the rewatch was good.

I'm glad.

I'm glad I didn't trust my memory to just wing it in this podcast, but.

I will say.

You were like, is this the movie with such and such, which I know we'll get into later on.

It is 100% what you were watching well.

'Cause I got the year wrong in my head.

What did I say at first?

1007.

Yeah, I was like, yeah, you know, the 1 from 2007 and Ryan goes, wait, what?

I thought we were doing the 2004 one.

I said I.

Was sitting here going like there's a 2007 one I.

Said oh wait, was it 2004?

I honestly like just pulled 2007 out of my ass.

Like I don't know what I was talking about.

Well, when you pull up live streaming, at least from what I saw, there was a something of the dead that popped up with the 2007 and it made me second guess everything 'cause you said 2007.

I was like, wait, have I been watching the wrong movie?

No.

Did I just?

Make the wrong film.

You were right, I've had that fair before, but.

Is that the Day of the Dead remake that came out in 2007 that also had Bing remake?

Yes, I believe so, yeah.

I yeah, no, I was, I was thinking of the correct movie, but I said the wrong year.

But I, yes, the, the 2004 one was definitely the correct one and the one that I had intended to watch.

I just hadn't watched it yet.

So I I am brushed up and fresh and ready to talk about it.

I haven't seen the original.

So I'm interested to hear your every everyone who's seen any of it take on the comparison between the two.

But I'll be the I'll be the one that hasn't seen it on this one.

So before we get into the juicy stuff.

Unintended.

Yep, I hear we have a Plot Summary compliments of chat JPT I.

Don't know if it's Chad JPT but it's straight off the Dome.

I wrote this down and surprising how much of it I remembered.

So Mike's on.

Let's see how close I get.

Imagine you and your hubs are settling in for date night, which consists of watching American Idol, the knockout rounds, and shower sex when the whole world literally goes to hell in a handbasket.

And for reasons never totally explained because Rob Zombie is not writing and directing this movie, the dead have risen to walk the earth and every person they bite becomes one of their unruly, bloodthirsty horde.

Anna, our nurse protagonist from the beginning, escapes her burning neighborhood and zombie fied hubs along with the annoying little roller skating girl next door, only to crash and meet up with other survivor strays that include a heavily armed Ving Rains as a cop who has the meats.

Jake Webber playing Jake Webber the TV salesman Makai Pfeiffer who's trying to leave the gang life and take is pregnant lady friend Luda to safety, but not with Chris.

They take refuge in a local mall where they run afoul of Pre House of Cards Michael Kelly who tries to lock everyone up in the stores only to realize they're still going to steal shit because nobody's coming to work anymore.

The group adds a few more members of the cast while avoiding random attacks from zombies who can now run.

Forgot to mention that some hang out in the Orange Julius, some hook up in the Victoria's Secret store, some befriend across the street gun store owners and shoot zombies wandering across the parking lot.

When they're done playing chess, some just sit around and watch TV, trying to make sense of it all until their piece is broken.

Because infections like this can never be contained, the group decides instead of staying in the mall, which is heavily fortified and full of all the supplies they need, let's deck out a couple of buses, Twisted Metal style, and break for a Marina where the boat awaits Allah Maximum OverDrive, but with no AD, ACDC and a lot less cocaine.

Allegedly, several of the group members are killed along the way until TV salesman Jake Webber decides to stay behind and let that nurse Santa and other survivors get on the boat because he's already been bitten on the arm and he ain't going out like that.

However, it's possible none of them made it because in a Found Footage style epilogue, we see the island they escape too.

It's also overwhelmed with the dead as the credits in the new metal roll.

And that's pretty much the Plot Summary I could come up with off the top of my head.

Is disturbed considered new metal?

Oh, I would think so, yeah.

I honestly don't know, yeah.

That was going to be my first question, Lindsey disturbed.

New metal, Yes.

Yeah, they fit.

They fit the bold.

OK.

Well, we got we got two different renditions of that song.

We deal with.

The pregnant film.

Yeah, I can thank blame cast Aspersions at this movie for bringing Richard Cheese into my life and because I had to know what that was.

Yeah.

And you know, I looked it up.

Yeah.

Because in 2004 the IMDb was still, you know, somewhat useful website and you could go and look at it and I was like, who the heck is Richard Cheese?

And so I did what everybody did back in those days.

I went on Limewire and I started listening to Richard Cheese music and for about a day I thought, this is really funny.

And then by fiance now watch said I'm I'm kind of tired of Richard Cheese.

I'm like, yeah, yeah, I am too.

That that was that was the end of Richard Cheese.

But yeah.

It was very jazzy.

We did go see this together.

I will.

I should mention that we saw this in theaters together.

We we have a penchant for seeing random horror movies together in theaters or did for years.

And this is one that she went willingly with me.

I do feel Richard Cheese just somehow always manages to wind up in an early 2000s like horror film.

It's like, let's introduce that really jazzy, slow version of like a song that everyone knows that's like new metal or grunge or something.

And I, I do recall when that popped in into the movie, I went, oh, OK, I really know where I'm at now.

It's early 2000s horror films.

Very much has has it gives it that estate if if the digital photography and all the Zack Snyder quick cuts and slow MO and stuff like that didn't tell you the music should have where.

You Are Richard Cheese is to early 2000s horror movies as to The Dan Band is for early 2000s pro comedy.

OK.

Have you have you guys ever heard of the Stephen King drinking game?

No, but I'm sure it's epic.

You would probably be dead in the well, a lot of people would be, but I feel like in early 2000s horror films in general, if Richard Cheese was like doing something, that would be a shot right there.

You know I owned like 13 Richard Cheese albums, right?

No, I did not know that.

Oh my gosh.

Yeah, yeah.

Good for you.

He had a big sale like on digital.

OK, he had a big sale on his like website or band camp or whatever.

It was just like, you know, for 50 bucks you could get the the.

Wheeled boxes, box set it.

Was like, even though it had some kind of ridiculous cheese pun based title like the whole wheel of cheese or something.

And, and, and I can do that and it's, it's a lot of fun.

It it is a novelty that does kind of wear off after the first like 3 albums.

Yeah, I would think so.

He.

I I will, I will give him all the credit in the world for this.

He finds interesting ways to lounge.

If I music that should not be loungeable.

Yeah, I, I, I look at him and hear him and I'm immediately taken back to something that was a thing in the 80s and that is leisure.

Shoot Larry the the 8 bit computer lothario and I just feel like Richard Cheese and Leisure shoot Larry and probably Zack Snyder sit around a bar together at times and and talk and Steve from this movie, Ty Burrell.

So I feel like the director put himself in this movie with that guy, but we'll talk about that.

No, Zack Snyder's actually a nice guy.

I'm I'm sure he is so his art is not for me.

We'll just leave it at that.

Actually The funny thing is the 2 movies of his I like are the ones everybody hates so.

What are?

The two that you.

Want No.

I like the Man of Steel and I like the Superman Dawn of Justice.

I love those I like.

Those too.

I'm an ironically person, so.

Ironically enough, Richard Cheese was also in Batman versus Superman Dawn of.

Trunk Yeah, yes, yes, he was.

I feel like it's like a a blood brotherhood going on between the two guys, actually.

Also don't hate that Watchmen movie, though.

Everybody that loves Watchmen tells me it's it's the worst thing that's ever existed.

But I just I love the.

Watchmen and I went to see that movie at the midnight showing came out in the theater.

I I'm actually in agreement.

I love the Watchmen.

I have the comics and everything, and I actually thoroughly enjoyed it.

I thought it was a great rendition of the comic, but that's.

I I feel like stay tuned is in order to run.

I.

I'm 100% down.

I love the Watchmen.

It's it's been a minute, been a minute since I've seen it, but yeah, we'll have to, we'll have to get into that.

But yeah, so.

Jackie Earl Haley, my man.

Oh, oh, but way scarier than his turn is Freddy Krueger.

Don't talk.

About that, we don't.

We don't talk about that movie.

Yeah, we don't.

So much.

I'm going to be talking about that in a future episode of 2 Girls 1 Crib so.

My.

Condolences.

You need more alcohol.

I am going to have to have a lot of therapy to watch that again, but but thankfully it's not what we're talking about tonight.

Yeah, it's Jackie.

O Haley's fault, it's not Jackie.

O Haley's fault, Jay, it's not.

I can't blame that on him.

I don't blame it on Jackie.

I don't at all.

He's he's the best part of that RoboCop reboot.

Yeah, you know what?

Joe Kennaman's awesome in that.

But you're not wrong.

Jackie or Hurley is fun in that movie, so we're going to have that.

Argument one day.

Like I really like Joe Kennaman in that, but man, Jackie O Haley is just such a great slimeball.

He he was also great on a show that I watched, that nobody else in the world watched Human Target.

I don't know.

That one I've seen, I've seen the previews about.

I didn't watch that, Yeah.

I watched a couple episodes of that.

Yes, I did, and I love Jackie Earl Haley.

I feel like he can do no wrong because I know I feel like he just does his best in everything that he does.

Well, it was like some generic dude Chai McBride, who was awesome and.

Jackie Earl Haley.

Was like their scumbag friend, like Chai McBride was like his friend who worked with the police and like could do things legitimately.

And Jackie Earl Haley was kind of his general purpose scumbag friend.

Who knew all the, you know, dirty handed people and it was, it was a great, it was those two, that combination of those two people was a, it was a great combination because you could not pick two people who are more physically different looking.

No, I love Chad McBride on Boston Public.

That was where I found him initially I think and then gone in 60 seconds.

That remake with the Nick Cage version with Angelina Jolie and the I don't know what she's got going on.

It's like twisted moose dreadlock white girl dreadlocks.

I mean, it's it's pretty wild, but it.

Was a big thing at the time the the gymnast girl in bring it on had the.

Same.

Yeah, lots of these crew did the same thing.

Yeah, the.

Girl.

From base, lots of these kids.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, but no.

But yeah, I know.

I love them.

But you know, I'm sitting here thinking of it, though.

Jack Darrell Hailey could have been CJ in this.

Like it would still would have worked.

I like Michael Kelly but he would have worked as CJ too, but Oh well.

He does a great job of either playing somebody who's like so extremely good or so extremely bad and it just kind of works for him.

Like not just his like appearance, but his physicality because you have like like you've compared like we have like Watchmen.

And then.

But you're right, he would have been a great CJ in this particular movie.

Yeah, so though I it always got me, you know, the times I saw Michael Kelly later and particularly, you know, I dropped it in the Plot Summary when he showed up on the House of Cards.

I was like, is that fucking CJ from Dawn of the Day?

And I was like, Oh yeah, you take away the food, Manchu and the go ahead and we do what I've done.

You just peel it on back.

And yeah, yeah, that's boy.

Yeah.

He's just as ferocious so as Kevin Spacey's lap dog or whatever he is that, you know, whatever you want to call him in that show.

But yeah, that's a it's an intense, intense role, as is this.

Yeah, I think he brings that same intensity every time.

But I want to talk about a very important character in this movie, which we did, which you mentioned in the Plot Summary a little bit, Jay, and that is the Toyota Corolla.

RIP the Car of 2004.

Yes.

This movie starts through the eyes of a young couple and a Toyota Corolla.

Everyone had a busted ass Toyota Corolla in 2004.

Well look, it's safe.

You can run the son of a bitch into a tree and live like no scars at all.

It was suburban life.

Everyone was like, oh, she's got a Toyota Corolla.

I guess we got to get a Toyota.

Corolla, they look, they had a pretty good setup going there.

You know, it's a decent looking little starter home or whatever, you know, good house.

Heck, I'd take it now.

They were so cute, like such, they had such great chemistry and that one tiny little scene that they got together, it was just like such a beautiful little.

The 1st 10 minutes of this movie, like for me is I'm well, I don't remember it when I saw it and then watching it again and I watched it twice to do this review because I just wanted to really absorb it.

It's been a lot of times I saw it, I watched it and I was like, man, the 1st 10 minutes of this are just amazing.

It's and you know, I remember somewhere like maybe Tarantino or one of those other ones said like get some of the best 10 minutes of like horror movies I've ever seen.

And I'm because it just throws you in.

And I remember the 1978 when throws you in too, because you you're just thrown into this chaotic television show and television news station, which if you've ever worked in that situation and not sadly enough have, that's pretty well how it goes.

And so it you're you're at the end of like the hell has already happened.

Nobody's going to explain it to you.

And this one does the same thing.

And what I love about it is that Anna Sarah Polley here is so like busy with trying to escape all this nonsense in her regular life that she misses at every turn, like at least six different turns.

She misses opportunities to find out what's going to happen before it happens to her.

Like the guys in the hospital, the other dude in the hospital on the way home, there's news reports and she just wants to listen to some fake ass Edwin McCain or whatever on the radio and, and, you know, and cruise onto her Milwaukee suburb and watch American Idol and, you know, steam up the shower with with Louis, her husband.

But you're right though, Lizzie, they do have a ton of chemistry together and I don't know that actor from anything.

I've never seen him with anything else.

But I thought they they just cast them perfectly for this.

They they really got all they look like a real couple.

They did.

Sorry, you go ahead.

Well, I was going to say like I really was curious about like his lifestyle too because we don't know really what he was doing.

We don't know what his line of work was, but he also didn't catch anything that was going on, did not pay to any, pay attention to any of the radio reports, any of the TV.

He's also like, I got to get home, it's date night, we're watching American Idol.

Right.

Yeah.

And look, I remember at that time my wife and I did watch the knockout rounds of American Idol together.

It was like.

A thing and we would have conversations like no, not the chubby one with the good voice.

You know what?

Yeah.

That's what I meant.

Yeah.

Like for the 1st 10 minutes of this movie, everybody you meet in it looks like a person you might actually know.

Sarah Polley.

And, and I'm not saying anything bad about it.

She looks like somebody you would know.

She's this kind of normal person.

Her husband looks like a normal guy.

The little girl across the street looks like a normal person.

The neighbors look normal.

The doctor looks like the same asshole doctor you work around the hospital.

They all look like real people.

When they get to the, the, you know, the movie part of it, when they get into the mall, it's when all the pretty people show up, when it becomes Hollywood.

But I'm like, oh man, this is like normal looking people.

I like this and they have like a normal life.

Like there's, I don't know, I just like that so.

But even when Hollywood shows up, it is 2004 Hollywood so this is before like the Botox filler craze.

So their faces all look very still relatable even though they're like Hollywood.

Hollywood eyes.

Human beings.

I mean the only person who like doesn't fit the standard of quote UN quote normal is probably what's her name, the girl Jane Eastwood.

Yeah, Jane Eastwood.

Yeah, the the the kind of floozy ish type.

Who's Oh, no, no, that's not Janie.

Janie's foot is the truck driver.

You're you're talking about Kim Fourier the the blonde.

So.

Yes, I'm thinking about the blonde.

Yeah.

Vivian or whatever.

No, that's not.

Right, Monica.

Monica.

Monica, yes, she's the only one who doesn't kind of fit the standard, but she also is like not so attractive that she's outside of the realm of normalcy.

Like you could definitely see Ty Burrell with his original hairline pulling that kind of girl like.

I'm glad you called that out because I was like.

I will say that what I really thought was funny, like I loved the 1st 10 minutes because I remember when I pulled up, somebody compared it to the phrase There goes the neighborhood.

Yes, phrase, which I loved.

But what for me, I was kind of giggling about was the little girl at the very.

Beginning Vivian.

Yeah.

Vivian.

Because at first I thought, oh, is that her?

Is that Anna's daughter?

And then we find out that's not the case.

And then we get to the part where they wake up in the morning after they've had, you know, their fun times in the shower, and the door just opens and Vivian is there and Anna's husband's like, oh, Vivian's here.

And I'm like, do you have a key that you give to this?

Child OK, though, So what there was this little boy that lived next to us though, when we lived in Montgomery and he would just come over to our house all the time and we were just fine with it because we're like, you know, because we knew him, we knew his parents and we're like, sure.

And like he used to bring his friends over and give them tours of our house, which was also kind of weird, but but it reminded me of that.

I was like, Oh yeah, it's like, I think he's I think he's Michael.

It was like, yeah, you know, it reminds me of that, like yeah, sure, you know, it's.

But I like that though, because it feels like it's so like Midwest, you know, this is supposed to be in Milwaukee, you know, and it's, it's just so like, oh, everything's normal, right?

It's just normal life until it's absolutely not.

And that's what's what's great about it is when the I mean, it turns on a dime because the her face by the way, too, like she's missing her mouth like that.

The the makeup in this is is really tremendous, I will say.

That about this.

Movie, Yeah, bites the neck and the tendons come.

This movie's got.

A lot of viscera.

Yeah, I am so glad I, I, I mean, it wouldn't have bothered me really, but I was like, I'm glad that I didn't encourage eating dinner while watching.

This movie.

Yeah, no.

What's nice is that it takes its time with the viscera too, because like they really took their time.

Like where she's trying to help her husband, like stop the bleeding.

Like you see, like her practice, like her practicing as a nurse being like, put your hand down, let me get the towel on and everything.

Because sometimes I find that like in some horror movies these days with the viscera, it's so fast that it's mostly for shock value.

But this at least this particular scene had a little bit of a slow burn.

And I felt that also when she like when he started to turn and she ran into the bathroom, when she slammed into that tub, like I felt that pain.

And then she's now granted I was yelling at her when she was like, I got to get the window open.

I'm like, there's a latch on the left side of you that you haven't switched yet.

But but did you notice what she and I I caught it this time and I I knew she handed them.

But I sit and think about it.

She thinks enough to grab her keys before she runs into that bathroom.

She's having anything else.

She's have shoes, she have a purge and nothing.

She's got them keys and I was like, that is smart.

That is thinking on your feet.

And that helps at the end of the film too.

It is Chekovs Keys, Chekovs key grabber.

That's what I say the first the first 10 minutes of this.

And I give a lot of this.

I mean, Snyders directing the hell out of it, sure, But this is a lot of James Gunn.

Like this is how he writes stuff and his openings to his movies are never dull.

They're never slow like this.

Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.

We're going to get you right in.

We're going to hit you with a lot of, you know, fun snarky humor, and then we're going to hit you with the The Big Bang action stuff.

And then when she's driving out of that neighborhood, did anybody else like think of that meme of the little girl, like smiling with the fire truck bad?

I know that came afterward, but I'm.

Like that was, that was Vivian.

Yes, she just.

Turned a little bit and her face was like completely her mouth.

Is like completely.

Ripped off?

Yes.

So before we get away from the special effects portion where we just talked about how great Vivian's face looks, do you know who did the the makeup for this?

No.

Who did that?

David Leroy Anderson, who had been taking a two year hiatus from doing movie special effects to work on a work for a different company then he had to, did like a month long test trial where he showed off various zombie effects and did all this research about what people look like in various stages of decomposition with the assistance of his wife Heather Langenkamp.

Oh I forgot that too.

She was married to yes.

I think she was married to an FX guy but OK she.

She jumped in the family business and she was part and parcel with the effects on this movie.

That is so funny.

So, well, I mean, she wasn't giving anybody acting tips and that's for sure.

So, but but oh, that's, I knew she was married to an effects guy because they used that in new nightmares as part of the hook.

But yeah, oh, that's no, that's great.

So I mean, again, the, the opening of this is and all of it, the whole neighborhood, the fact that everybody's freaking out, you know, and, and we get the, it's almost like a video game the way they're following her little Corolla just snaking through all the the destruction.

There's so many video game moments.

I'm glad I mentioned you playing video games earlier, Ryan, 'cause there was a there was a point where I looked at Brian watching this and I went, I feel like I would be really bad at this video game 'cause it's just, it feels like a first person shooter.

Yeah, because you've got zombies coming at you.

There are a bunch of scenes like that where there's just zombies coming at you and you're just, or they're just shooting at em.

It's just to shoot em.

Up game the original Night of the Living Dead trilogy and I say this is an annoying super fan of those movies.

So the helicopter that's flying around is the wgon helicopter that is used in the original Dawn of the Dead.

That is how they escaped to the mall and then how they escaped from the wall.

Later you see the explosion at a gas station.

That's.

A great upshot, by the way, too, yeah.

Yes, it's fabulous #1 #2 that's the inciting explosion from that's where Ben Dwayne Jones comes from and neither living dead.

He was there and the gas station exploded.

He just got the hell out of there.

And an old pickup truck that you actually see driving around, the old beater red pickup truck is driving around in that scene too, as we see the shot from overhead.

Oh, that's I see I love that kind of stuff like that.

That kind of thing is what what you used to could do in movies like this without beating people over the head with it.

So that it it valued the rewatch because again, this opening sequence when she's trying to get out of the neighborhood and when she is and you get that big pull out shot because it's done from the from the chopper of all the just destruction everywhere.

You know, everything is literally going to hell around you and just imagining like what that would feel like.

And I it hit me and I was like, oh, when was this movie made?

It was made in the shape of a a galvanizing event in American culture where we all watched on television 911, you know, and just seeing something like that was a mind blow to most of us.

We never saw anything like that except in a movie before.

And I feel like if the, you know, the original Dawn of the Dead and the original Dead trilogy have a lot of social commentary to them and really smartly done social commentary.

I joined you, Ron, as a fan of those things.

And this one has a different sensibility and comment as well.

But I do feel like it is living in in that post world for all of us.

Yeah, I I definitely see where you're going.

It definitely does feel like a post 911 society because the mall was still important, right.

But the mall isn't the mall that we see that you see in like the original Night of the Living Dead or the original Dawn of the Dead.

I'm sorry.

It is glistening flashy.

There's, there's a, you know, a giant coffee shop in the middle of it.

It has been updated to be just as like obnoxious and consumerist as the actual mall experience circa 2004.

I was going to say it looked like a mall in 2004.

Right down to the fact where they had like big support for those fountains and, and you know, probably skylights and that somewhere in that somewhere in the back of that mall was like a 50 foot Christmas tree.

You just know what it is.

Yeah, well, they've, they've got buses, they've got their own generators, all this stuff.

You know, there's all this you can get into the how is this thing running still and all that.

I've got questions about the generators.

Yeah, yeah.

They kind of drop lines, but they're not.

I'm like, I don't know if that's how that exactly works, but OK.

So I have questions.

About the alcohol that they had at the one dinner event, I was like, where did you find that that was not at the?

They sure have.

They for sure have like a wine store or something there, an ABC store, whatever the equivalent is in the Midwest.

It's a mall.

A package store?

Yeah, yeah.

Wisconsin, those people drink.

Like it's true, it is Wisconsin.

Nick, Nick Nick would would attest that yes, this is this is accurate.

I have Wisconsin cousins and went to a Wisconsin wedding and I am telling you right now he.

Went you walked by the Abercrombie and Fitch and conveniently there was a place that was selling.

I did not, I did not make it to the I did not make it to the mall while I was there, but there you're and.

Then you've got to go get a red afterwards.

Yeah, alcohol was easy to find, I'll just say that.

But I do want to say something that might be a little controversial here because I feel like we're all on board that this opening really grabs you.

It's great.

And we get into the Johnny Cash, you know, man comes around, which I, I don't love this era Johnny Cash stuff.

I feel like it's rather exploitative and kind of ghoulish to listen to, but whatever, it fits the motif.

But for me, when she wrecks that car app, from that moment on this movie drops for me.

And I enjoy it minute by minute, less and less the more it goes on.

This.

The opening is so good, it's like it can never get back to that moment again.

It's like a when you you get an album and the first 3 songs are like Oh yeah.

And then it's like, OK, there's the reset song.

It's like, alright, there's the ballad.

What the hell is this?

Oh God.

And then you're just lost it at that point.

They even attempt a montage that doesn't work because it's way too late in the movie.

But I would agree that there are the movie gets it's the law of diminishing returns.

Like if they just ended it 15 minutes into the movie it would have been like an extra large popcorn.

Like the greatest short ever made.

Yeah, so but I mean the the opening though, is it's a grab and so I but I put that out there.

I I may be on it on an island.

So I Lindsay, sounds like you're you're on team with me, Ron and Ron.

Where are y'all do you?

Want to go, Ron?

I am not on the team with you, Jay.

We're going to have different opinions here.

I have a lot but.

I'm sorry.

Go ahead.

No, I, I, I have a lot of thoughts.

But as a general sweeping statement, I would say I'm on Team J where the IT does it does kind of slowly run down the side of that Cliff the longer the movie goes.

Now to me they sprinkle enough cool stuff in and enough set pieces in as you go on to maintain some of the momentum.

I I agree that it is kind of lag a little bit in the middle, but that's just based off of that's just because of the, you know, the general structure of movies, right?

You got to have a middle act and the middle act is never like shop full of crazy things.

But I mean, you do get some crazy stuff in that middle act like, you know, zombie baby.

OK, that's fair.

That's fair.

Yeah, but.

It's hard to beat Zombie.

Baby, we're going to talk about zombie baby later on, but OK, so.

And I don't know what other versions everybody else watched.

I watched the unrated cut so maybe I got a little.

Electric I.

Didn't do.

I saw the ungraded Yeah, so which?

Is like 1015 minutes more I think than the right the right.

That's why I went for it.

It was still under my 2 hour rule.

Yeah, you don't.

Oh yes, we talked about this.

It really is just extended like some there's a couple of extended talkie scenes, but it's just like more viscera and they go on longer with all of it.

That's the and the baby wouldn't last a little bit longer than.

Yeah.

I was going to say for me, I I was just being starky.

I was watching this film and I had my emotional support.

Cat and I, she was driving and she hit.

As you know, Cat was driving.

I know I had to go.

Hold on.

What?

Is the cat who could drive a car?

No, Lindsey knows my cat would totally drive a car and probably killed but.

I love that your cat is named Solon.

By the way, in your own shock, tober here to the show.

But she she stuck with me the entire time and she's sleeping on the couch right now.

But I remember just I was being snarky and when she was trying to get away from the other guy who was trying to hijack her car and she hit the pole, I went and she died.

And then the credits started rolling for the opening sequence and I just burst out laughing because of course it did the montage.

It kind of confused me just because, especially because we see a little bit of that montage at the very end, which I know we'll go over, but I was just, I know there was some religious aspects in it too.

And I went, OK, is this going to be something that's important throughout this movie, which.

Spoiler alert, no, it's not.

Not really, except for one cameo that we'll talk about.

But I, I, I will.

I'm kind of on the fence.

I kind of am.

I'm like, it's an early 2000s film.

So I will say that when we get a little bit further into it, I was like and then I thought it kind of picked up and then it started to drop a little bit more.

This opening credits though, I will say is is part of the coolness of it, but it does live in a space that existed from like 1995 to about 2005 or 2006.

And it's very music video.

And I don't mean that derivatively.

I'm just saying it's the acid wash style and all the chemicals coming off and the weird cuts.

I feel like that started in like 7 with David Fincher and all of that stuff because he came from that world too.

And Snyder has done a lot of that and all of these things just sort of living that Rob Zombie does some of that stuff.

And you know, I I'm, I'm mostly OK with that.

It's a definitely a side of the times, but it it didn't Take Me Out of it.

Again, I don't like that Johnny Cash thing, but also I'm going like, but it kind of fits because you're doing this whole, you know, the dead walk the earth.

You're going to have Ken Ferry come up and and preach at us about it sort of randomly.

Is this kind of very angry Joel Osteen type.

And you know, I don't know.

It's The thing is, though, I watched it this time going like, all right, this opening is supposed to grab you and and throw you off kilter the same same way the 1978 one does because you know what the hell is going on for like 20 minutes to that movie.

There's like this whole raid and there's a shootout and it's all, it's like assault on precinct 13 from the cops point of view again.

And at the 1978 when there's a lot going on in that before you meet everybody and you get to the mall with this one, they don't waste a lot of time getting you to the mall.

And so I, I was looking at this credit sequence and all this stuff and trying to think like, OK, are we sending anything up?

Are we trying to say anything?

And the answer to that is no, at least not for me.

I I didn't get anything more out of this than what I had.

And you just introduced something, Ryan, that I, I think is a fascinating idea.

What if Anna did die and that was all we got of her?

Like that was it?

Like she hits that tree, boom, gone.

And then then we have to go with all these other people?

Yeah, I would have loved that.

That'd been a great move.

It wouldn't have taken the best actor out of the movie, but if she's.

She's done like, yeah, and then we move on to somebody.

Else now we're taking the best actor out of the movie.

But that you know.

If you want that kind of storytelling chain in a zombie universe, I can't recommend Black Summer highly enough.

OK, I'm going to try that one out now because I did not notice.

That it's a Netflix show, there's two seasons.

Both of them are great, OK.

And it very much you follow a character, OK?

So it's very it's it's shot in a very interesting way.

You will, for example, there'll be a scene where a character's like, driving in a car and then in the background you'll see somebody like Sprint across the street and the camera will leave the car to follow the person sprinting away from a horde of zombies or whatever.

And so you get a lot of really weird, like everything's cut together really strangely in a really interesting way.

And like, you don't know who is going to live and who who is going to die.

Because like, you get, there are several sequences where you get this character directions like, oh, this is obviously going to be one of our main characters who spent so much time with this person.

Then the next scene, Nope.

They're zombie chow.

They're dead.

Oh, wow.

OK, they got shot in the face.

You know, whatever.

Wow.

OK, see, I would I would go for something like that thing because that that's what I thought would that would be neat like to do here.

Even though it can't, it does take probably the most interesting character out of the the movie.

No, this, this would be 100% what you're looking, what you wanted, what you thought would be a cool thing to happen to Sarah Polley is pretty much how Black Summer operates from the jump, so I 100% recommend it.

All right.

I'll check that one out then.

And it's John Himes who did the Universal Soldier.

That's that everybody loves.

Peter Himes son we're talking about.

Yes.

OK then, now I'm even more sold.

And he did a pretty, he did a, you know, universal soldier, Day of reckoning and universal soldier or whatever.

Because I think I like Peter Hunts because he did he did 2010, which is an underrated, you know, movie and sequel and sci-fi movie in a lot of ways.

He also did the awesome Time Cop.

And how can we forget End of Days where Arnold takes on the devil?

So.

I love that movie.

Oh, we got to do that one sometime then.

Then it's because.

I'm stay tuned.

Yeah, stay tuned to.

That I know it's not a fan favorite, but I.

Love that movie.

I have since high school.

And we and we've done The Relic.

Nick and I talked about The Relic years ago and I love that movie.

He's cheesy as hell.

And I, I really like the book, but the movie's pretty good.

I like Peter Rhyme stuff.

So yeah, that that's all.

I'll try that one.

He's amazing.

He's a fabulous editor and it clearly shows in his filmmaking style.

I'll, I'll have to try that.

Then so nice, yeah.

Man, where I there There's so much to talk about I'm not even sure what the next best thing to talk about.

I think with the band getting together on the road here on the way to the mall, it's like we get our really our, the rest of our main main cast is all here on the road, Jake Weber and Ving Rhames and Makai Pfeiffer.

So.

Yeah.

Paying the Pied Piper.

And the ominous music that comes when they start walking towards the mall.

Which is what?

All of us think, especially during the holiday season.

Yeah, and.

Then yeah, I yeah.

What AI just I do love to say something, and the only thing that she can think to say is please.

Yeah.

It's something he could have shown her and that could have been the end of the movie.

Too right, right.

He knew.

Yeah.

I love that that you've got this very large man and it's very petite woman barefoot walking through the wilderness of the desert were next to the highway.

And he's obviously like been in some bit of combat because he's taped up and, you know, he's cut up and stuff and he's got his shot cut out.

And they they come through What I, I mean, I was just sitting there thinking about like all the greenways I run around here in town and they all go into roads.

They have the same kind of like little out right up the side of the road.

And then people would come down the hill.

It always scares the hell out of me anytime I'm coming through one of those and then people are coming down, I'm like, oh shit, is this the time?

You know, so and but I'm like, yeah, I mean, you got Jake Webber and playing Jake Webber the TV salesman and makai fiber for her and his his pretty wife.

Is Jake Webber actually ATV salesman?

No, he just plays the same thing all the time.

I like him.

He's a good everyman, but he's he's perfectly Midwestern and boring and I think that was the casting.

Note genuinely.

He's so good at like, fighting.

Thank you.

I don't know if I believe that he was actually ATV.

Thank you.

That was my thought too.

I was like, he can't be ATV salesman.

He's gotta be like, I don't know, some sort of green barrier or something.

I don't know.

It's because he just he was, there was one particular scene that I wish I could.

I think it was when they were fighting the security cards.

Yeah.

And he was just so good at it, like fighting them.

And I went, OK, He, the the TV salesman cannot be.

And he was so charismatic and, like, leading people.

And throughout this movie about what needed to be done, I was like, OK, I.

Bet he was raised on a farm, I bet that's what.

It is.

I bet this guy's an old Boy Scout and then as an adult it just didn't work out for him.

But I'm and look as an old.

An eagle.

Scout.

As an old Boy Scout and an old Eagle Scout, I'll tell you it kicks.

It kicks in at the weirdest times and it's.

Just such an interesting punchline, but what do you do?

I.

Sell TV's.

But well, I mean, they go through that whole bit later when he talks about like all the crappy jobs he's had.

I used to fix copiers.

I was he was like office space.

And then he has that real poignant moment too, where he talks about being a shitty husband, but he was a good dad and you know, all this stuff and you know, he's kind of but I'm but also like you have that.

But, and it's one of my nits that I'm going to pick about this movie is that you try to have that while you have a there's other crazy shit going on and it doesn't really mesh.

But before we get to that, when we meet them, I immediately think like, oh, he's gathered these people together and it's leading them to safety in some way because he he knows something about that military base.

He's not telling us.

I'm with you because he's like, you don't want to go that way.

I promise you, you don't want to go that way.

I'm like this dude, like that's his cover that he works at Best Buy.

Like he's he's CIA or something.

Yeah.

No, because he said they say, he says.

We tried to go that way and we started with eight people and then they're down to three.

Yeah.

So I feel like maybe they were just like, we'll go to the military base that'll be safe because that is pretty much what everyone would assume to do.

Yeah, right.

And then you get 3 blocks down the road, you're like, Nope, everyone's dead, we're going back.

Hey, look, the chicks in the night of the comet figured that out, too.

It wasn't a bad move.

All right, talk about running from a marvel to something else.

So, yeah, it's it's this.

They're smart.

It's not a bad idea.

But.

And I love that being Rhames.

This whole thing is like, I got to go get my brother there or whatever, and I'm like, OK, cool.

And but, you know, it's it's gone.

You know that short?

Lived which?

Is.

Unfortunate, yeah.

The mall is smart, but now it's like, I think that a lot of people that like zombie movies are like now mall and zombie is like peanut butter and Jelly.

It's just you.

Kind of expect it now.

Or, or they're synonymous because because if you go to a mall, it is a thing that's barely alive and it's just shuttering along.

Like if you go to the mall in my hometown, Ron knows where I'm talking about that.

Thing is, I don't know how it's still there.

So.

It's there because they paid off the land.

It's it's it's like anchored by two stores and a bunch of murals like that.

But the Orange Joy's is still open.

I.

Kid you not, I did.

I guess I can say this now.

I was in an episode of The Handmaid's Tale, and they used the costume and loading location for everybody.

This surely can't work, right, because it's a mall.

Well, that particular part of the mall, I won't say like the actual like company, because I don't know if that's appropriate or if that's going to get anybody in trouble.

But it had shut down, so they used it for anything actively going on for film in the area.

And I.

Was just like, it's just this giant and it's it's one of those like major companies that always takes up like 1/4 of the mall.

So I'm like, it's just a shell we use for costumes and stuff.

Which is probably what they did for this film too.

But it's funny to think about the mall being this.

Big fiber.

I mean, now we don't think about it like that anymore.

But at one time and in the 2000, early 2000s, yeah, it would have been this big gaudy, like, full of everything.

Yeah.

This was a coffee shop.

This was a decommissioned.

Mall in Toronto.

OK.

So yeah, it was the same thing.

It was the exact options of what they did with the original movie where they shot it in at night in a real mall that was an active working mall during the daytime.

This one was a decommissioned mall that was going to be closed down.

So they were like, can we just take it over and shoot our movie there?

And they were like, yes, kind of like how in our local, one of the local mall I went to as a child, it is just a place for Amazon to park their delivery vehicles.

Now.

There's still lots of.

Stuff on the inside of the mall.

But they turn the old Sears.

It's like a ABJ's Cost Club, one of those things.

So it's a mega store.

And they also have a giant arcade that is nothing but Japanese claw machines that people love.

And also the best Chinese food in town, OK.

Fair Chinese food at the mall is pretty.

Good.

Yeah, I'll, I'll even the ones here in Charlotte, they're pretty good.

So, but no, I'll be I I do love.

That they get.

To this mall and you know, of course they got to fight their way through or whatever and the first thing they do is run into the most heavily armed mall security guards ever known to humankind, Paul and there's I, I.

Actually, I was taking notes while I was writing it and there was one point I wrote the note.

OK, Mall Cop or Paul Blart, something like that.

I mean, he's got his like little lackeys and.

Everything though.

But he's buying this shit.

What is this guy selling?

Hey, hey, Terry and.

Bert were buying it or whatever his, his, his cohorts or they, they were just running Bart.

Yeah, Terry and Bart are right there.

So, so funny, I'm sure.

I bet, I bet, honestly, mall cops.

Mall cops had some had some weight that they could throw around at a point in time, but during the zombie apocalypse?

I know and then.

We've got and then we've got.

Like our big beefy real cop.

Let's.

Not kid ourselves they brought those weapons from.

Home every day.

Yeah, they, yeah, they those were not issued to them.

I mean, it's just funny that they had well, and two, I I know it's a thing in the in the the original movie, there is a gun store in there's like gun stores in all all of them all.

You know that they're constantly like raiding, you know, stuff from but apparently they brought enough like provisions with them to like have enough ammo.

Now.

They end up going to the gun store later and raiding it out, but on their way out of out of dodge, but they don't seem to like be, you know, worried about lack of ammo for a while.

So they and maybe there's one still, maybe there's a Dick's attached to this mall and it's got, you know, the well wasn't wasn't one of the sports shops.

Like I, I know the sports shop.

I kind of in my mind I was like, oh, it's a Dick's.

So that's what I was thinking too.

Yeah, like a Cabela's.

One of those is just the tax thing.

So I will say the.

Elevator scene.

Where they have to keep keeping the doors open.

I couldn't.

I couldn't help but giggle during all of that because they were like, we're talking keep the doors open.

So stupid.

But I wouldn't no, no but.

That's the and.

I feel like.

That's James Gunn.

Like his touches on this is to weave that type of humor and inappropriate moments in the movie.

And that's mostly works.

It's it's as it curls on.

I'll, I'll get into the stuff that I'm going to pick on.

But again, when we meet all these people, it's, I mean, I get it, it, it makes sense.

They're all there.

And I, I again, I get the kick out of the, the CJS, like trying to protect all of them all.

He was like, Nope, not gonna let you steal stuff.

You'd lock everybody up in the in the home store that I was like, really?

All of the well, really.

That's how I made the joke in the Plot Summary.

I was like nobody's.

Coming to work, bro.

No, Lindsay, you, Lindsay, you go, 'cause I think.

You and I are on the same page you go no I had the same same.

Thing Jay Ryan.

Yeah, No.

What?

What?

What are they gonna steal and where are they gonna go with it?

The oat milk from the coffee shop.

Honestly, although when they wake up in the morning.

Like they they'd send the.

Lackey security guard like I want mine with double foam latte this morning.

That was great.

But.

It's funny security.

Cops.

I.

Feel like that's just.

You know.

He finally got CJ, finally got a little bit of power, and it went immediately to his horse handlebar, mustache head.

Yeah, yeah.

I'd see that.

Oh, he is, definitely.

The the the background of respect my authority like he is all of that.

Like I actually felt like it was going.

That.

Way, especially when we got to one of the cameos in this movie where we have the like, Preacher, yeah, let's talk about that.

Yeah, to him.

And for me, I was like, oh.

Are we going to go like the, oh, it's the kind of like end of times, Somebody's going to become that particular stereotype that we sometimes see in horror films, especially in like these apocalyptic films.

And it didn't.

And I was kind.

Of disappointed in that, but yeah, we that was one of the the the lovely cameos that we got from Ken Free.

Yeah, he's.

I I'm with you, Ryan.

Like I get why that's the scenes are in there with him and stuff, but it doesn't amount to anything like that doesn't change the way any of these people operate.

Like, again, this movie is not here to provide any answers as to why any of this happened.

And it's just supposed to.

I, I don't, but I don't know what it's trying to say then like, that's what I'm saying.

Like it's, it's more interesting to me if we don't have any of that.

Like, what's the neatest thing is when all the outside communication gets turned off, you know, because and he's, I think at one point he's like, they're just saying the same thing they've been saying the last 12 hours.

I'm like, yeah, because it's on the delay now.

Like everybody's dead or gone.

You know, that's and that would be the disconcerting part is that you don't have any way of getting information anymore.

But to have that just that random cable access preacher, like I say the mean Joel Osteen type up there saying all this like you, what did you expect would happen when you do this that and the other And I was like, So what are you trying to say?

And then it doesn't amount to anything.

I'm like, well, let's, what's the point, right?

Because I think it just.

Oh, no.

You go ahead.

Sorry, Ron, I think.

It just serves.

The purpose to.

Further make things a little creepier 'cause you've got the fire brimstone preacher who's clearly broadcasting from, you know, a broom closet on a, in a, in a pirate television station, taking advantage of the fact that there's no actual TV on the air anymore.

And he's just pumping it directly out into the air, straight up into the airwaves on the UHF feed.

And also, it's so Kinfarri could say when there's no more room in hell, the dead shall walk the earth, just like in the original movie, since he doesn't talk about his Haitian voodoo grandma.

What he's telling you this time, thankfully.

We didn't have that going on in this, but no, I I don't know.

I all all of this is it's can I say this too?

And this may be an unpopular.

Opinion as.

Well, I really would have been fine if we just kept it like these seven people.

I don't know that I needed the extra busload of people coming in.

You know, now I know what that purpose is because in the other movies we talked about Tom Savini's got the gang, and that's what sort of, you know, penetrates the mall and creates problems.

But the other thing you got to remember too, in the original movie, the zombies are already in the mall when they get there, they just sort of work away and locking them all out and into different stores and stuff.

And then they just can stay away from them because those zombies are really slow.

And we haven't talked about the big thing.

And I remember this being #controversy at the time is that these zombies are fleet of foot.

And to that point, Skechers has a commercial out now about these kids going like, I'm not afraid of zombies that can't run.

And then the zombies go to a shoe store and they get the new Skechers and they literally chase the kids down.

Oh, I did, and I erased it from my memory.

The minute I no, no, no, I I did too.

I meant like the kids in the.

Commercials like clearly you have not watched or seen anything about World War Z 'cause they're.

Sprinters.

Yeah, but but what?

Do you?

What do you all think of that?

What do you all think about that?

Dynamic that that now the zombies can move like that, that they have speed.

I just don't like, well, the.

I can't say I don't like it.

Here's here's my issue with like this zombie genre world that we live in is that there is no consistency aside from to kill a zombie you have to destroy the brain.

They are all like they become zombies by a different manner.

They move different.

Sometimes it's just if they bite you come alive.

Sometimes it's if you're already dead, you can come alive and be a zombie.

Like there's no, it's not.

They're not werewolves, they're not vampires.

For whatever reason.

For whatever reason, we can just make a zombie movie and create new lore around it and do our own thing all Willy nilly and it's just chaos and it's change and I don't like it.

That's fine.

So I will make the.

Argument.

That weirdly enough, the Fast zombie doesn't come from this movie.

Fast Zombies started in like 1980 with the movie City of the Living Dead.

You know what, Ron?

I don't want your lip.

OK, facts don't care about your.

Feelings.

I was.

I was.

Going to give it give Danny.

Boyle some credit.

Man, I thought this was a 28 day.

Like, literally like.

Two years after Dawn of the Dead hit in Italy, they're like, well, how can we turn this up to 11?

It's like, Oh yeah, the zombies will run fast.

They'll also be able to use weapons and also they'll RIP some girls shirts off as that's very Italian by the way.

Italy.

Yeah, very Italian.

And.

That's.

And that's been a thing.

So the entire.

Time that zombies have been a thing basically.

So is it just some zombies move slow?

And some zombies move fast and we're just like, it just depends on what kind of zombie you are.

It's just it.

Well, it just depends on who's making the.

Movie and if they want to overwhelm you with numbers or do they want you to have like individual zombies be a legitimate threat to your survivors yeah honestly I love a fast moving.

Zombie.

I think it's absolutely horrifying in all like seriousness, I do like the fast moving zombie.

They really got some sprinters for this movie too.

This is all owes.

Itself to a lot of the close quarters stuff that James Cameron did in Aliens, though, with the way that those like basically dancers that he hired to wear those, those suits would just come at those marines just out of nowhere.

They were so fast.

And I, I was watching this, this time it really hit me.

I was like, I think Zack Snyder really loves the movie Aliens because he recreates it a lot.

Like anytime there's dark, quiet spaces, hell is coming out of the corner and over the top of people and all the dripping stuff.

The number of times that happens to people, I'm like, that's straight out of aliens.

I have a very important question for all.

Of you, how many times can we make a zombie movie?

Like in what year can we make a zombie movie when people are like, Oh yeah, I've seen zombie movies, I know exactly what's happening.

This is a zombie apocalypse because in 2004.

Our lead.

Characters are like, I have no idea what's happening.

And I'm like, these zombie movies have been out for decades.

You should know what's happening.

What?

What?

But see that that's the post Scream world.

That all these Movies Now have to exist in is that you live in a world where you grew up with horror movies and then you become in one and you don't realize it.

It's the Pirates of the Caribbean line as you best be paying attention to zombie movies.

You're in one, you know, that's how.

So at what point do we have is there?

Do we have a zombie movie right now where people are like, Oh yeah, this is a zombie?

Like do they know that they're in what they're in?

Is there one that exists and one of the dead or or walking?

Dead right?

Like that whole ah, that's not a movie though, right?

That's.

It's a TV show.

TV show Walking.

Dead.

They're in a universe where they have no.

Concept of zombies.

OK, that's what they call them walkers.

OK Shaun of the Dead.

I love that film.

That's a spoof though.

Well, they didn't.

Even really know that they were zombies.

To begin with, like during.

Well, yeah, but they they lampshade it pretty well so you could.

Think it was just oh, it's a drunk guy.

And when you know Nick Frost, it's like it's a zombie and it's.

Scientific.

Like don't say.

The said word, that's ridiculous.

Which is a reasonable take.

If somebody said, oh, there's a zombie over there, I'd be like, yeah, sure, man.

Buffalo Soldiers, Do they address it in?

And I can't remember, and I apologize, the Santa Clarita diet, I think is what it's called.

I remember that, yeah.

No, I didn't.

That was.

A great girl, but they addressed that she was a.

Zombie, didn't they?

They did that, yeah.

That was, yeah, that was a very self aware, self aware thing.

Yeah, I guess.

There are a few like the Zombieland, I guess is none of them where they know.

Yeah, that's very, that's a very self.

Aware.

Like, you know, the first of ours to go.

You don't forget cardio.

Yeah.

It's only only is Jesse.

Eisenberg.

And his Jesse Eisenberg.

Nest Ultra.

Nerd way can do.

Talk about the rule.

The rules apply.

Though the rules do.

Apply but double tap and.

Look, look.

No.

No lie, Woody.

Harrelson saves that movie in every possible way.

I can't think of anybody who does more cardio than you, Jay so.

It's fair.

I don't know if that's true or not.

I.

I.

Still can't.

Outrun a damn thing.

So you don't have to outrun it, you just have to it just.

Has to give up and attack somebody like me.

He's not running away from shit.

You don't have to be the fastest, you just have to be faster.

Than the person beside you.

Yeah, well, see.

But I have the problem of tripping.

And falling.

When I run a lot, no, Lindsay would beat me.

It's fine.

I'd I'd be.

Zombie chow.

They would definitely be ahead of me, we've proven.

That until I trip and fell as I.

Just said and that would be toast.

But but I, I.

Do like.

That the that.

The 2000 and.

4 does introduce the fact that they do run because in the 1978 it's they're just kind of stumbling about in their way and occasionally.

They're like.

Look out behind you once behind you, like how did they get behind you and you didn't notice they've been walking the same like two mph that they but they homage to that in this one when they're like.

All when all the faux celebrities are stumbling about the parking lot and they're just picking them off right, which is very not lipstick.

Yeah.

But I will say that.

One thing that.

I.

Noticed.

Throughout this movie, which I found kind of frustrating, is is that I think Lindsay kind of alluded to it is, is that there are occasional zombies that follow their own set of rules that the other zombies don't.

And one, I know we'll get into it in a little bit, but like, one in particular that caught my eye was the one who was holding the gas tank.

And he looked at it and he went, oh, yeah.

And he's like, oh, I shouldn't have.

This.

I'm going to toss it back.

Oh, I didn't think he was tossing it back.

I just thought he.

Was like weightlifting it because you know, he's oh, I thought he was zombie.

So I thought I thought he was legit like trying to like.

Lift it to get it away.

At least that was my interpretation of it.

I think he's that's.

An homage to actually what happens in the in the first one is this one cop like tries to shove his gun through the door.

The zombie grabs it and they just say just let him have it.

He doesn't know what to do with it.

And the the zombie literally walks around with the gun like this.

The rest of the time, he doesn't know what to do with it.

And I'm like, I feel like they're just paying homage to that again.

You actually get that with the shotgun later, Yeah.

Yeah, they when they're all breaking into Andy's gun.

Store, yes, Yeah.

Bing Rhames is just like.

Here you.

You take it and give the zombie the shotgun and leaves.

Yeah.

He just doesn't know what to do with it.

So yeah.

It could be the same thing, but no, I mean, that's it's I I.

But back to my my other question then was how are y'all with the fact that the group like.

Multiplies at this.

Point we got all these other people in here because I could have done without everybody else.

I'll be honest with you, they wouldn't anybody else I cared about.

I like seeing Ty Burrell is like an.

Asshole I, that was just fun for me.

But he was really good at it, I'll give you that.

Yeah, I mean.

For for the sake of.

For the sake of the movie itself, I don't think I, I don't think it was really all that necessary, but I liked it because you needed to have.

Some sort of clashing in the group and they provided exposition like they provided a lot.

Of information that the group didn't have about, like where had been overtaken and where hadn't.

Yeah, and the nice info dump.

I love Ty Burrell in this.

It's my.

Favorite thing, Ty.

Burrell's ever done.

I really get a big laugh out of Tucker when Matt Fur and his daughter show up and Sarah Paul is like, well, OK, well, after we shoot him, let's just shoot Tucker.

Tucker's like, whoa, hey, I wasn't bad.

He just fell.

Yeah, he's like.

You, Jay.

He just fell.

Yeah, poor Tucker.

Yeah, and he got a couple.

Good.

Like laugh lines?

Out of me with his responses that stuff like you know we got 38 of these pussy 9 mills and then yeah 15 of that 357 exactly that bit was.

Good, that was a good bit.

Yeah, I mean that they there's value.

Because the script is well written, James Kind does does a good job with it.

There's reason for them to be there.

I'm just saying like, I think you can have an interesting movie if it was just these seven people and you can have the conflict within because Makan Pfeiffer is hiding his wife from everybody because he knows she's been bitten.

After that little bit drops, they get that information like once you've been bitten, that's you know it.

And so they start figuring that out.

Then he's like, well, I can definitely got to hide her.

And you know, the nurse could at some point Anna was going to be like, she's like super pregnant dude.

Like I need to go see her.

I'm going to go do that.

They could have had a whole argument about that and the, you know, maybe they had figured out some way to string, you know, ropes across or whatever and Andy could have been more of a presence and radio and I'm going like y'all, there ain't nobody coming.

You know, like he could have been the info dunk because when he finally gets a couple lines, he's pretty good.

So I'm I'm just saying like they're fun and each of the little characters are and they're there for the body count.

I mean, you got the cross dressing preacher guy who wants to confess to CJ when he's locked up, which now I don't know what all about.

That's definitely a big extended cut that that gets a lot more in the extended cut than it doesn't.

The theatrical, That's the big extended piece.

You get that.

You have the again, the blonde girl that hooks up with Steve and the Victoria's Secret store.

Yeah, who's videoing it, of course, 'cause he's that kind of asshole.

And you have the night bitch from from kick ass.

Is there Lindy Booth is Matt first daughter and he had he had Max fucking Max headroom.

It was great makeup, by the way, the way they like his zombie makeup is incredible.

I thought he was sick.

I was like, well, I had to go look it up.

I was like, Oh no, he just like really looks gaunt.

So, but yeah, I mean, they, they add things to it.

The, the most useful one of all of them is outside of Andy, is Norma, the truck driver, 'cause she's the one that's really got all the info, you know, and, and she's what I did.

She got that headshot.

Killed it.

I mean, well, literally.

But.

She like it was great.

We were watching I.

Mean.

Yeah, she was good.

Sad that that whole like.

That whole zombie baby scene.

We'll get to that.

I feel like hold on to.

Zombie Baby, because I got the apps there too.

Yeah, we'll put a pin in that.

Yeah, I feel like.

They're very important.

For the destabilization acts bit, because you have to have something that throws off the equilibrium of this society, right?

You got to have some internal issues that caught that allow the external threat to get in, because otherwise you're just going to have to have like, Tom Savini show up with another biker gang and just bust through the doors.

And yeah, and I, and I hear you.

I feel like it makes more.

Sense for this kind of community.

To collapse from the inside rather than from the outside.

Well, it collapses because.

They make the stupidest.

Decision possible when they when they should make the other one but we'll we'll get there when it happens.

You will, yeah, fair, Fairpoint, right.

But we do we do need to talk about Andre Luna and the baby though, because that is a a a harsh tonal shift in this movie.

After we have we have montage with Richard Cheese first.

So which I guess it's just to show how boring it could be if he lives in the mall or maybe how not boring it could be.

I don't know.

Look, a couple of them are having a good time, but you know, there is you have that whole thing and then you whiplash into this very serious.

Like.

Dark and fucked up horror movie moment with this guy's wife is she's turning into a zombie, she's going to die and then she's going to give zombie birth.

And it's pretty gross.

I mean, they give you everything but the knocked up shot.

I mean, that's pretty much all you don't get out of this.

I thought it was going to bust out Alien.

Style kind of what I.

Wanted to be.

Honest.

But you know, I thought it was harder.

It did, I thought, when Andre.

Like leaned down to kiss the belly.

I was like, that baby is going to come out and just eat his face, right?

Right.

And it was just like.

Me.

Me and he's like, the baby's coming.

I'm like, that's your first thought?

That's your first concern after all of this?

He was crazy.

Like that was his.

Yeah, he went fully crazy.

Well, he was fully into the I have to.

Bring this kid into the world.

I have to have this normal family to give it all the chances.

I didn't have all that.

You know what not he's got to do that whole thing.

But I love that Ving Rabes does have a great scene and he was like, oh, I'm sorry, you feeling bad?

We'll go in there and say some hell mirrors and work it out with God with you flush or whatever he said.

I'm like, that was great.

That was a great scene and I I do understand.

Like we're on injury is coming from I guess my other thing is this like how did Anna not like I think we kind of talked about this earlier ago.

She's really pregnant.

I haven't seen her in a while and he's like, she's great.

She's fine.

I've locked her in the toy store.

She's all right and no one went but I also.

Think that that's part.

Of the adding more people to the group, they're kind of able to just kind of sneak off and do their own thing, like diluted a bit.

I mean, yeah, she.

When they do show up, she's busy.

Yeah, yeah.

And when we see Anna, she's always hanging.

Out with What's his name?

Jake.

Weber the TV Sales TV.

Jake Weber, the TV.

Sales.

I think his name is Michael in.

The movie, but I just call him.

Jake Webber and same Jake Webber.

Yeah, that's fine.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So.

That's one of the things, that's one of the things that the montage establishes, right?

They're settling it to a routine of normalcy in this place, whether it's Ty Burrell playing it, just whacking golf balls into the crowd of zombies below them, which is a great way to point out, hey, you are really screwed if you try to get out of here any conventional way without saying it.

So you got that.

You've got, you know, being Rams is out there playing chess to with Andy through the whiteboards.

You've got them watching Animal House, which probably moved a few DVDs for for.

The production company who probably.

Was like, I want you to just put our movie in there.

Maybe we'll sell a couple of those that just came out on DVD.

Watch it on the big screen on the big.

Screen TV and.

And sell some TV's.

Tiber, not Tiber L sell some TV's.

TV sales.

Yeah, There you go.

Yeah, Let's see what this have you seen?

What this system can do, Anna, let me just show you.

It's the JX 498 sound.

You know, you can see him going into the whole like, or, or if he would have done like the the 40 year old version thing.

Like if I hear the Michael McDonald song one more time, I'm going to be a zombie and eat somebody's face, you know?

I also like.

CJ with his top 10 reasons.

For case free Josmo Trust.

Trust is that he's.

Like no.

One's number one.

I know I'm like, Oh yeah, he is.

Like, yeah, like when he's not being a Dick.

He's kind of just a really weirdly lonely man.

We.

Sympathetic.

You know, dude, he's just a big softy.

Yeah, well, he's also like.

Really like.

In the end, even though he's like super selfish or whatever, he's really not like he puts himself in harm's way a lot.

And especially at the very end, we'll talk about it, but he's got a great end.

But I, I mean, I, I get you too.

Like you have to have this to show like the society set up so that it then can break down or whatever.

But it's just, I don't know, it's just again, the the tonal shifts in this movie just whiplash me.

It's just like, well, it's, it's very similar to the original.

Movie in that sense, because you get a lot of the stuff in the middle of the original Dawn of the Day is just them hanging out at the mall.

Yeah, they're skating and whatnot.

Yeah, skating.

They're, you know, trying on outfits.

From the fancy dress store, they go to the fur coat store and everybody's got a different fur coat on.

You know, they, they go to the HomeGoods store and they set up like a fancy dinner and, and you know, with all of the gold cutlery and stuff.

And, you know, it's kind of just the middle.

Like, what would you do when you were, if you were trapped in a mall?

OK, you've done all those things now.

What are you going to do, right?

What are you going to do with the next month?

What are you going to do with the rest of your life and all these things that you're using to distract yourself from the the terrible situation that's happening on the outside, like you were fresh out of distractions.

Well, you read every book in that joint.

Well, what they do is, you know, I think.

Being rhymes is the one that's like, we need to do games.

You start to get beat by chess.

And so they start doing like sniper the celebrity look alikes below.

And Sarah Polly has that great line.

Yeah, right behind Ron's head there.

Sarah Polly's got that great line.

You guys had some pretty messed up childhoods, right?

There's some stuff going on there and.

But it's the best line Ty Burrell gets in.

The whole thing is like, yeah, hey, you know what?

If I ever turn.

One of those things please shoot me in the fucking head and no problem.

I'm like, well, that's going to happen now we but but it does show like they I think you're right, Ron, at that point they've got to the point where they are bored wildly enough with surviving in the mall because what what are we going?

How long is this going to last?

Don't know, you know, and I got questions like how well stocked is that mall for 14 people?

You know, they also establish that they're starting to run out of.

Stuff OK, because remember.

Is like.

You got to get lemon stuff and like no, Abrelle likes to put it in his.

Booze.

OK.

Yeah, use the vanilla.

You know, yeah.

And so it's pretty well established that they're, you know, running out of can running out of.

Things that aren't like.

Shelf stable, canned.

Goods.

I would imagine that.

This place has a pretty stocked like Fallout Shelter, one of those deals and probably, you know, for various natural disasters like I got imagine there's like some big boxes of emergency rice and whatnot or spam like they had in the first movie because they they.

That's how they they find it is all there.

Yeah.

So, yeah.

But yeah, they're starting to run out.

Of they're starting to.

Run out of things that make life worth living, like coffee.

True.

Fair.

Even in the zombie apocalypse I got.

To have my, my, my coffee.

That was a sweet coffee shop, though.

Ryan, you've caught that a couple different times.

I'm with you.

That was a really nice coffee shop.

I kept looking at it being like, every so often I'd be like.

Oh, it's really nice that they have a bar in the middle of like their mall.

And then I went, no, that's a coffee shop.

That's just a really fancy coffee shop.

And then it looks like a bar.

It does look like a bar, but.

Then I'm also like.

I wonder like what what like chain that was, if anything, or if it was like just like a kind of like fancy mom and pop shop.

And I was like, is it Pete's?

It's not Starbucks.

No, it wasn't.

It wasn't Pete's because it wasn't blowtorched.

So it wasn't Caribou because it didn't have.

All.

Of the like, yeah, the, you know, the Caribou.

Has like the.

Panama Jack knock off stuff.

Yeah, hallowed grounds.

There you go.

What?

A great name.

Which?

Which is a great name for a coffee shop.

There are quite a few coffee shops here or.

They're historically have been RIP to my favorite pre game coffee that were coffee shops that were also bars.

OK fancy I can see that you all variety of brew.

There's another great.

Idea all the brew, your morning and afternoon brew.

Yeah, they, yeah.

There you go.

But it all, really.

What turns everything is that they're they're starting to get like all these supplies together.

You're right, Ron.

They start counting up there, how much water we got.

We got any of this.

And then that's when Norma goes to check on Luda and Andre and the baby and it's it's bad.

And her and Andre get into the shootout.

And you know, I'd love Makai Pfeiffer holding on to whatever was supposed to be that small baby.

Yeah, that that tiny potato of a child.

And then with a full grown baby in another.

Shot.

But you brought up slow MO's.

Oh.

Yeah.

Talking about this and the slow.

MO of her.

Dropping the taking a puff of the cigarette and dropping it on the ground and then stepping on it.

Slow MO of all the guns and yes, yeah.

Which I know we'll get to you later, but then.

Baby zombie Jesus.

Oh yeah, let's talk about him.

Why or her?

I guess it's her.

It's a yeah, it's a baby girl, he says.

Yeah, that's what he says.

The Eye.

Effects pretty.

Good for 2004 I gotta say there's some pretty there's some pretty good effects again, there's some good special effects in this film you.

Can definitely, you know, like them when you see them unfortunately, but at the same time you're like, you appreciate it for what it is for 2004 yeah, good practical effect so.

Except with the potato that was.

The child.

For two seconds and then a full grown.

Baby in another.

And I do want to give a quick.

Shout out just because you just mentioned the slow MO bit.

Quick shout out to whoever makes the sound on this movie because when like the stepping on the cigarette or the stepping on the carpet, the sound effects in this movie were like right on point and it was extra wet and squishy when it like it was it Yeah, it.

Really hit.

Like that Was that when when she sprayed like you?

Got to like, you could just feel it like it was like, oh, apparently like they did a lot of different versions of that.

That was the acceptable one that they went with.

But yeah, I mean, it's they said that every time a guy in my first face is that that was a genuine reaction.

He did not know what was about to happen because obviously the actress is not there.

It's just, you know, it's just a prop.

But he did not know what was coming at him.

And every time it was something different.

He was just really wigged out by it.

So they had a one of the things revealed.

In the the trivia is that they had a blood cart staged nearby where they could just keep making gallons and gallons of fake blood for those scenes they have.

Gallons of it in this movie.

So much blood spray.

They were like, no, we need more.

We need more.

Whip up the gallon on the blood cart.

Yeah, it's.

It's but it's a really like visceral scene because you, like, I had misremembered something too 'cause I thought like Makai Pfeiffer realizes his wife is, is a zombie, but she gives birth.

He takes her out and then he sees the baby and like he has to make that choice.

I'd forgotten that.

No, he, he gets gunned down with, with Norma.

You know, they shoot each other, you know, down and that Anna, the, you know, the one who's like, don't shoot anybody in the head has to shoot the baby.

That was like, woo, I and I, to be honest with you, like I kind of hate that she did it.

I'm like, that needed to be somebody else.

Like I I that felt like a character moment where she just wouldn't have done it.

Like even though it needs to be done, I don't think she would have done it.

No, because Anna's not established as being.

Against shooting zombies, she's against shooting people who might become zombies, right?

That was the whole, that was the whole conflict.

With her and.

Matt Frewer and yeah, her.

And met her and.

And TV salesman, because they're establishing this, she's very strong and not about not killing people because they're bitten.

She has no problem with killing them after they've been bitten and after they die.

I kind of agree though on that if I'm.

Honest.

Like, I kind of wish that it wasn't the person that was like trying to be the because she goes out of her way to be like, if we go back to like, well, I think that when they're bitten, they turn into zombies, but I don't really know it.

And she wants to be absolutely nowhere near where any of that is.

And for her to do that to a child, I don't know whether they meant for that to be like a turning point for her, But I, I'm kind of with Jay on this.

I kind of think it should have been somebody else who I don't know.

But I, I mean, I, I think at that point you've established.

It enough where she could be like and she just needs to.

Turn and look at TV salesman.

And he's like, he just pushed her away and boom, and that's it, you know, right, Because she's gone out of the way to be.

Out of the room.

When I think her name is Nicole's father is being killed, Yeah.

Like she doesn't want to be anywhere near that.

And.

And and salesman doesn't do that.

When Andy does it, the the cop, he he waits and they locks himself in there with him and he waits until he wakes up and he shoots him and you hear it in a distance.

So that just for me felt like.

Her fuck this shit moment like that's it, I'm done.

I I'm, I don't even care like I'll kill a baby, a zombie baby, but that is the point when they've started to.

To.

Form the escape plan too cause dickhead has has dropped it.

He has a boat and they're like, that's actually not a terrible idea, even though he's like, you think this?

Is a good idea OK.

I guess we'll lead to.

Montage #2 which leads to mad.

Max Yeah.

OK.

Yeah.

The busing is pretty wild.

Like I, I love what they do to these buses.

They're using nothing but what they got, you know, in the in the mall.

I'm like, OK, they do a pretty good job of tricking them out for what they have there for just a bunch of brandos.

I mean, they do have access to a lot of.

Those like.

Fold down aluminum doors so like that's perfect.

You can't stick your hand through it Yeah, that's smart.

And then to.

Have the like the.

Chainsaw ability.

You know which that one that I needed and the.

Snailsman was so proud of.

That that was like.

It got him laid by the nurse.

I, I it's.

Because she felt that was she was like.

He goes, I'm trying, and she goes, yeah, you are, yeah, or whatever.

And the way she.

Says it is like.

And you don't have.

To because we're all going to be dead eventually anyway.

He's like, come on man, we've been farting around this for a damn hour and a half.

That's a nice spot.

Put the chainsaw.

Down the end of the world, stick it in me.

And not the chainsaw, no.

That's somebody else who gets that.

The blonde got that.

That was that scene.

Oh boy.

But yeah, we'll we'll talk about that.

But but no, I mean I.

I do love that.

It's a, that's the thing that I was wondering.

I was like, are these two really going to hook up 'cause they seem like they've just formed this good relationship, like friendship and they both have been through a lot of trauma and, you know, they've obviously opened up to each other a lot or whatever.

And then when that was over, like, Oh yeah, they're going to get get it out in the bus and then go back and rally the troops.

Yeah.

You know, I I felt like the time.

For.

People to.

Deal with.

Trauma.

Which I guess would make sense, like during the zombie apocalypse is very fast because like we have the moment with like Anna where she's putting on her shoes and she's like trying to cry.

And then one of the lack secured be lackeys is like open the door being like you done, sweetheart.

And then we've got the and then we've got the cop who's like just learned that his brother probably is dead at the Fort.

And then he's like.

Messaging.

Andy and Andy's like, oh, so what's the bad news?

And then we have TV salesman.

I'm, I'm gonna put a question mark.

No, I'm, I'm gonna put a question mark 'cause I still don't think he's a TV salesman.

And he's like my worst thing.

I felt like that was kind of.

Like his?

Woody Harrelson.

In Zombieland movie moment where he's like the one thing I was good at is being a dad.

Kind of like in Zombieland where you found out he wasn't talking about a dog at all and it just go it just goes so quickly.

But it I guess kind of makes sense given that it's a zombie apocalypse and you don't have time to really feel remorseful about any of this.

Because that also happened in a coal.

Cuz she had to leave her dad when mm hmm he had to get shot.

And then she's spray.

Painting all over the world yeah yeah, she, she's tagging them all she's.

Keeping herself busy, yeah, but.

She's dating the like, you know, younger.

Security guard too, like they're they live, they make it to the end.

So she spray paints and focuses.

She has a.

Boyfriend, but she's really focused on chips.

Oh, the dog.

The dog.

Yeah, the dog is her.

Like new life which Oh my God I never.

Yelled at somebody like a.

Football Gay.

That part I yelled at the screen like it was a football game.

I was like, are you an idiot?

What are you doing that led to a slow MO?

Motion.

Moment, Jay Yes, it did when they went to go restart the.

Generators.

Yes, yes, we had lots of slow.

Zack Snyder in slow MO.

I don't, I don't know, Ron.

Maybe you know where that comes from for him because it is a hallmark of everything the man's ever done and like to the point that it's you can set your watch by it like.

It's going to.

Happen.

It's usually gun porn and it's or it's people walking and it's just the it's, it's the strangest use of that effect.

Maybe he's just a huge fan.

Of Chariots and fire.

That.

Maybe Zack Snyders Chariots of Fire?

Would be a.

Very interesting idea, by the way.

Yeah, everyone would actually be on fire.

Yeah.

They literally would.

It would be like the scene in.

Red Dragon, they weren't.

Phillips Seymour Office coming down the hill on fire.

I was thinking more along the lines of a Swamp Thing where?

You get the the guys on fire for like 5 minutes that pour something yeah or or or the first Nightmare on Elm Street where the.

The guy in the huge where Freddy gains like 100 lbs.

He becomes the Marshmallow Man.

No, no.

Wait, when he's set on fire at the end, he's running the.

Oh yeah, because the.

Stuntman is like.

You're going to get this once and I'm double wrapping so.

I have I.

Have a question?

For zombie, for the zombie experts in this in this group is this.

Yeah, yeah, this is pretty much specifically for Ron.

So is this a thing that zombies only want human flesh, they don't want other animal flesh?

Or is that just unique to this movie?

Depends on the.

Movie, but for for most purposes, they don't want animals.

They're not interested in animals.

OK, OK.

I didn't think.

That was a smart idea of.

Like if we're going to get.

Andy, food the dog is the way to go, you know, But it does like lead to his demise because the zombies figure out that dog door real quick.

They're like, oh, and then that, that's it.

That was one of those moments where I just was like.

A zombie.

Conveniently just.

Happened to look.

Down and was like, oh, that door's gonna close, I'm gonna grab it.

I went no, they well, they heard the door go.

Up, I think well.

They heard that dog making a shit load of.

Racket.

That's true.

And they were.

Probably looking at the.

Dog when the door went up.

And they were like, oh, that smells like stanky human in there.

Let's get some.

Yeah.

Start the buffet.

Poor, poor Andy.

He.

He.

Was.

He had to feel terrible.

And then I will say, oh, sorry.

I will say on the DVD.

Extras there.

There's a whole.

Feature like a whole like short movie of Andy.

Yeah, talking to himself, Yeah, from Andy's point of view.

It's fabulous, that actor.

Really.

Yeah.

I just want to say they cut his best.

I I.

Would have been OK if Andy got to do some exposition dump because he's actually good at it.

That's where I draw that.

Added that to the montage that would have been.

Yeah, they should have.

Like found a.

Tape or something?

OK, you, you brought up something and I'm, I'm just going to.

Ask it here or whatever, because I I guess maybe there's a good.

Planet Fitness in this.

You know, mall or something like that.

But these people look really well put together deep into a zombie apocalypse at some point where I feel like they probably wouldn't care anymore.

Like at some point they do show Ving Rhames lifting weights.

Yeah, I know.

I mean, I saw that, but I was like that they.

Got to be like, because they make a whole thing out about like, hey, the bathroom in here is just, it's just a prop like can I go to the real one?

But that, you know, the mall bathroom doesn't necessarily like shower and all that stuff.

And I don't know, I just, it's the dumb things I think about when I watch movies like this, just being practical.

Me like going, yeah, at some point, would you even care anymore?

But yeah, you probably would.

Or maybe you wouldn't because everybody's the same.

I don't know.

But it's it.

They all still look really nice.

Like by the end of it.

And I thought, yeah, I think at some point everybody would have just given up.

I mean, you probably would because I feel like they're going to.

Make you like if you just if.

Jay just decides, oh, I'm.

Just not going to shower anymore.

Everyone else.

I would not be the one that decided that.

I would just say that right?

Now everyone else is going to be like, no, you're going to.

Shower.

Or else we're going to throw you out the no, I'm just, I'm just trying to figure out like.

I I didn't need him to show it to me.

God, this movie's long enough, but just to have like, oh, thank goodness that the gym's got showers it like just a drop line or something, 'cause it it doesn't make it.

That's the one thing to like.

How is that in a mall?

Like I don't know where that would be.

That janitor closet probably has one of those.

The sprayer.

Oh the yeah, the hose.

Yeah.

And that's probably what they're just going into the.

Janitor's closet and just spraying off real good and they could get soap at the bath and body.

Works and stuff too, but I bet soap like.

Vanilla candles, yeah.

You know they.

Have a bath and body works there.

Or they've all just gone nose blind at this point.

And they just don't care.

Yeah, yeah, I do think I feel like.

Malls, large establishments like.

That usually have.

Some kind of locker room like the the employees.

At the very.

Least or like the mall Santa to go shower off and or whatever get ready.

I feel like there's at least one shower somewhere in a in a place that big like in in the building.

I used to work at.

Which is was not a which was.

Basically a big warehouse.

Building with a bunch of offices, it's a complex and warehouses and offices.

In one of the bathrooms there was like a full six person shower.

Yeah, like that they kept like.

In working order.

With like curtains that weren't moldy and stuff because people apparently were using it.

OK, all right.

Well, cool then.

All right.

I I had not thought of that that far.

I thought one of you would have a good, good idea about it though, because it just it's simple.

I was like again, like basic hygiene, Sure, I get, but like everybody look is trying to look nice still.

Well, what else are they going to do?

They're stuck in a mall.

This is this is true.

They have time to.

They do have time to do cosmetics.

And go.

Clothes.

Shopping and you know, like they have, they have time to do that.

It's not like they're hurting for choice in that mall.

It's true, there's a good bit of variety in there.

So this isn't a 2025, this is.

A 2004 mall?

Yeah, there's plenty.

Of 20, yeah.

If it was a.

2025 Mall.

They'd all be wearing airbrush T-shirts that say like, RIP Big Pookie.

Yeah, exactly.

Exactly.

That'd be the first place I would go.

Would be the airbrush T-shirt shop, just so you can get next to the Cinnabon.

Yeah, yeah.

But no, we're this.

Is when we.

Decide, Hey, let's, let's make our run.

We're going to.

We're going to blow out of here with all the the buses of hell and all that stuff, like I said, twisted metal style.

And it's it's pretty good again, it's a pretty good action scene.

Like I don't know how scary any of this has been by the way, for anybody.

It's not remotely a Lindsay.

You were talking about it off mic.

Your your bride.

Watch this with you.

And he's like, this isn't a horror movie.

And I'm like, no, he's exactly right.

It's not it's an action movie.

Yeah, I said.

I cuz I told.

Him, I said every, you know, they're going to be surprised that you watched this with me.

And he goes, why?

And I said, 'cause you don't like horror movies.

And he goes, this isn't a horror movie, it's a zombie movie.

And I was like, I mean, most people would kind of classify zombie movies in a horror movie.

He goes I guess.

I mean, I could see that, but I mean, it's fine.

Like it's just some blood and guts and this is fine.

And I was like, OK, he actually when when Luda was there, he goes, Oh no, the pregnant lady got bit.

I said, yeah, you know what that means?

And he goes zombie baby.

And I went zombie baby.

'Cause he had never seen.

This before.

So this is his first.

Time watching it real, real quick.

Ron, tell me the zombie.

Baby cinematic lore 'cause there's got to be several of these.

Well, I mean, you've, I'm sure you've seen.

It it's alive, right?

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

That.

That's the one I know of.

So those are like the closest thing to the zombie.

Babies in a in a couple of different Italian movies, you see a pregnant woman get ripped open and they eat the zombie.

The baby zombies eat the fetus.

Oh, OK.

Which I guess is more like less zombie baby and more like zombie veal veal for zombies.

It's otherwise you don't.

Get a ton of.

Zombie.

Babies.

There's there's been a few.

Like in some.

Like really low budget independent movies, people are like, you know, let's have the have a creepy zombie baby, but it's not kind of thing in like mainstream.

This is the closest it's been to mainstream since like it's alive.

See, I'm surprised there weren't more zombie children too outside of the.

Opening scene because they're all over the 1978 one.

In fact, there's there's like a famous scene where Ken Ferri has like chewed a bunch of them and it's like a big deal.

Like all these little kids are coming after him and he's just gunning them down.

And it's actually just two kids, but they come bursting out.

Of a closet after he had like shot over their heads because he's shooting it where a purse and like a an adult head would be in the closet.

And he throws the door open and the kids come rushing it out.

Yeah, it's it's actually a pretty.

Pretty.

Funny sequence.

I guess it should be a 2004.

They didn't want to do that or whatever.

But I I, I mean hell, this movie had every other thing in it.

2004 you get 2004 you get the big.

Reveal of like the, the, the they get the zombie kid out of the way very early because she's the inciting incident.

Yeah, yeah, they do.

They do drop Vivian.

Off early so yeah, but I to.

To answer your question, Jay, I did not find this movie particularly scary.

There were a lot of bad decisions made, yeah, including leaving.

The mall can Can I just be on that team right now that leaving the mall was a bad idea?

Leaving the mall with.

0.

Provisions and or fishing poles or like they got on the boat with nothing like no gas, which was shown in the like post videos.

And I when they got on the boat, I was like, wait, did they take anything on there with them?

Like no water, no food, no nothing, no way to like what?

What was the plan here?

Like they could have left the mall a week later with like a plan on what would happen when they got to the boat.

And so they went.

They went to rescue.

Andy.

And then took off from there.

But I feel like they could have gotten back into the mall and re fortified even after just re getting the the bullets and stuff.

No, because the zombies had followed them.

Up from the sewer.

Oh, that's right, I forgot.

That OK, Remember, Ty Burrell was supposed to keep the door open, but he.

Didn't.

Yeah, because he sucks.

So the zombies had already.

Gotten into the building and I feel.

Like at that point they were like, well that kind of forces our hand.

Also, I'm pretty sure you'd have to use, you'd have to use like like the the special boat gas for the boat, like the mixed gas.

Not necessarily, I mean.

It's easy you.

Can mix it.

Yourself, but like you can use regular gas and yeah, but the only guy who knew anything about this boat is dead.

That's fair, That's fair.

I I you shouldn't.

But for.

What they were.

Doing they probably could have used regular so so the two parts of the play in the wrong we got to.

Put somebody better in charge of the door.

That was #1 Steve sucks so that was not his job.

Shouldn't leave him doing that yet and we shouldn't leave the mall.

So no.

Because they were already running out of food and water.

But they didn't take.

Any food or water with them?

On the boat.

That's like, they probably didn't have any by this point.

They.

Might have just.

Been they might have took the last of it over with, over to Andy and it got all bloody and gross.

Yeah, but they they could have.

They might.

Have had some cans on like on them because.

They did have the big duffel bag full of crap, yeah, but but Lindsay brings up a good point.

Like there.

Is clearly a sporting good shop in the mall they could have gotten fishing supplies and it looks like they brought now granted that would have been hilarious to watch all of them running with a fishing pole right yeah to the boat but.

But.

Something brings up a very good point like.

They could have.

Gotten at least prepared so that they could have gotten some form of provisions while on the boat and that could have been on.

The that could have.

Been on the the bus that overturned Yeah, yeah, 'cause yeah, we got to talk about.

The like the the bust.

That overturns and the the gay cross dressing preacher or whatever saws the blonde in half and all of a sudden we're in a slasher movie.

Yeah, I was like, wait, no, no, we're in one of them.

Texas Chainsaw reboot movies.

They're like the Platinum Dunes era.

Like it's, I'm like, Oh yeah, I love the copies.

Like everyone's dead.

Don't even look.

It was ridiculous saying that to the.

And she?

Looks.

In.

Any way, she's the ER.

Nurse.

She's seen it.

Bro and up at this point she's really seen it.

So I guess for me, like when he delivered.

That I know that it was.

Supposed to be like everyone's dead, everyone's dead.

But I could just feel the actor be like, yeah, it was really stupid.

You don't want to look.

And just like, let's go, yeah.

It's.

I oh man.

It's just we, I know we need to take a lot of people out here at once and we especially have to take out like the the people we don't like Steve, you know, he's got to go down pretty bad and stuff because we, we're waiting for Sarah Paul to shoot him in the head since we met him.

And so that's that that's, you know, coming and all that, but because you got to widdle the group dad because we're getting near the end and stuff like that, but it's I don't know IA.

Lot.

Starts happening here at once and it's easy to miss it I feel like because it's just going by so friggin fast.

I mean for again, for a movie that has this insane amount of slow MO in it, it also has an insane amount of fast MO and there's just a lot of frenetic stuff going down, which I guess is supposed to be how it would be.

I I guess I've I've never been through a zombie apocalypse.

Somebody else can talk about it, but I maybe that's how you would feel.

I don't know.

It's, it's just a lot that happens that I'm like, what happened to that guy, you know, and I have no idea, you know, I guess they were in the bus too or they were in C.

JS like the two of his.

Massive explosions.

Oh yeah, Inspired a lot of Mythbusters episodes.

About.

Propane tanks.

He loves propane tanks.

They're his favorite.

Yeah.

Yeah, well, I was.

I was.

Thinking, and I asked this question before the propane tank explosions, but what like there has to be there must be a way to mass kill zombies cause just like one bullet at a time or 1 baseball bat to the head at a time is not going to do it.

I feel like a flamethrower would work and you could make that happen relatively easily with a few ingredients.

But I agree.

I just, I, yeah.

I feel.

Like and that's why the propane tank was a pretty good idea in most zombie games I have played.

The flamethrower is like one of the not the ultimate, but it's like right up there is like one of the ultimate like weapons to use.

They're fun too.

It'd be like wedding.

You know, I have like I do I.

Have like a.

Blowtorch.

That I weed the like we have a stone.

Path.

And we weed it with a blowtorch.

That's so funny with one of those blowtorch.

I just.

Bought.

One of.

Those like.

That's my son Rhyme.

They're the.

Best, there's the.

I have it in my Amazon cart.

I was like this would be.

Great to get rid of weed.

I'm just sitting here like imagining.

Because I've seen this path.

Imagine you just blow torching it.

Fun story Jay.

I was blow torching.

The path when like the Amazon guy rolled up and.

My my niece and nephew who are.

Like one and four were like no next to me.

So he just sees me.

He just sees me with a blowtorch, 2 small children and like just like doing the thing.

That's what he saying.

Yeah, maybe that's going on or?

Ready for the?

Apocalypse because of.

These flame weed, yeah.

So box.

In my kitchen.

Mate keeps.

Going up to it.

And she keeps looking at it and saying we like some charcoal.

One of the uses you have from the blowtorch.

Thing and I was like.

No, not yet.

Not yet, buddy.

But I promise you when I get my 20 LB tank of LP gas, I'll head out there and you can help me blowtorch and things.

That's fine.

That's hilarious.

So.

But I mean, you know, but it is a great idea that he's got because they he's like, how about a BBQ?

You know, And he did, he comes up with the idea of like, we're going to put a flare on this thing and blow a hole in it and boom.

And it does blow a chunk of them down to clear the road for them to get out of there because they're getting overrun.

I mean, that's very World War Z.

It looked like for a minute, which is something that I was surprised that they thought.

Of the first time I saw this movie because it's like that many people crushing against the vehicle are going to stop it immediately like that you can't just yeah you.

Want me to run over them?

Yeah, you can't just use a cow.

Catcher and push them away.

Like that it's, it's too much meat and it's so it's funny that they actually thought about that one.

This is the other thing too is that.

I mean, I don't know what zombie strength is.

Like or whatever but.

I mean, you've all seen like after a sporting event, like 3 decent sized dudes can turn an SUV over.

Yeah, Yeah, Like it wouldn't have taken that many people to flip that bus over.

Like really like the horde of zombies like that.

I don't think then things would have survived.

I mean, that's the other thing.

It's a bus.

It's only.

I mean like it can go fast but it cannot go super fast.

So it's not like they even have like true momentum to like really get them going.

But you are correct that whole like.

Scene.

Where it's like you see both of the buses just kind of completely encased, like with zombies and everything, and they're like, we use the chainsaws and we use the bullets and it's like statistically the zombies.

Would win in this.

Moment.

And you?

Are well outnumbered from what you can actually.

Accomplish and do at that point, yeah and even though the zombies don't have like a knowledge.

Of like, all right, two of you on one side, 2 of you on the other will push you.

We'll take turns, we'll get it rocking and it'll just roll over on its own.

Even though they don't have that kind of knowledge of, of, you know, physics, there's enough of them that eventually they would have gotten inside there one way or the other.

Right.

Right.

Whether they roll it over or whether they just start peeling it apart like a tin can.

Yeah.

Even getting chewed, you know, chewed up like they were like.

That was they were eventually going to get into that.

There was, there's just no hiding it.

So and then all the zombies you've run over to get to this point are just going.

To gum up the wheels.

Yeah, exactly right.

Yeah.

I mean, you're going to.

Hydroplane on like oh God.

So it's like trying.

To drive.

Under an overpass during after a.

Heavy rain.

You're just going to like zombie juice.

Yeah, yeah.

There's plenty of it.

That's.

For sure so.

But we get to the the big.

Climax.

Where, you know, the bus has turned over all this we all this shooting and killing is going on.

We're trying to run around and that's when we we get to the boat and the big reveal TV salesman has been bitten.

We knew it.

I actually have a.

Question that.

Maybe.

Ron can answer because this was another thing that I noticed in the movies.

We have a situation where at the beginning of the film we have people that are bitten and it takes a little bit of time in order for them to change.

But then we have our oh so favorite character.

He gets bitten and then almost immediately turns into a zombie.

Is is there potentially a reason behind it?

Because it seems like the acceleration of the virus is maybe something that is like increasing as the movie progresses.

But I was curious about that because he changed so quickly in comparison to some of the other people.

It's mostly based off of, I think, how quickly.

You die rather than how quick.

Rather than like.

The efficacy of the bite, I feel like if you just get bit on the arm and you just walk around fine for like a week or two and then you just the infection slowly kills you, that's one thing.

Versus like, if they bite you in the neck and you bleed out because you see it with the husband, he's bitten on the neck, he bleeds out.

The moment he's done bleeding out, he sets up.

Yeah, OK.

I feel like he just got the he.

Had.

The same type of role had the same death that the husband got where it was pretty quick and then he was just.

Like all right, time to.

Party OK, that makes.

Sense.

OK, Yeah.

He was definitely ready to go, so that's.

That's a good.

Point, Ron.

I hadn't thought about it like that.

So, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

It's so like it's, you know, Matt Ferrer had been bitten.

On the arm and then, I don't know, got stabbed then then or they'd shot him then he would have got back up unless they shot him in the head.

Fair enough.

I do like how CJ.

Goes out though here that he's like fighting them off and he's like, no, go, I'll catch up, I'll catch up and like, he knows, like he's he's done, you know, he's just going to go down swinging.

And I love his fucking figures, you know, and and what he's talking about is like, I'm always going to deal with these hordes of idiots.

Don't listen to me, you know, and that's how he has to go out.

I I did like that.

I thought Michael Kelly got some good lines at the end of this.

Yeah, Yeah, he did.

Yeah, what was the one he kept?

Saying was.

It daycare but.

But nurseries?

Nurseries, that's what it.

Was nursery school something like?

That I think nursery school, yeah.

But I mean like a a mall security.

Guard.

Is uniquely.

Qualified to deal with hordes of idiots, you would think yeah, 'cause he's, he's probably.

Worked a few like Black Fridays back when Black Friday was Black Friday, yeah.

Back when it was the thing.

And.

When you had to go greet Santa.

Or the Easter Bunny, like handling the hordes and the lines of the children.

And the parents.

That's a pretty big mall, so they probably had like.

Visiting pop stars show up for like, things.

Oh yeah, definitely, definitely only sang at that mall.

Yeah, or, you know, the the Midwestern.

Pop the pop punk band pop through.

I'm sure So, yeah, so.

That's are you saying?

Modern baseball.

Was there Jay?

You know what?

Yeah, they probably did jam in that.

Mall it's it's probably.

WCW.

Had a pop up.

So they're like the, the Oh no, they did Wisconsin.

Please.

They're all the time.

So you were the Brewers Ever got a run, they'd come through town.

Aaron Rodgers?

Sorry, ass rolled.

Through.

There, at one time or another, you know, he did.

So yeah.

Autograph signings, yeah.

Something like that.

Oh man, did the Milwaukee Bucks.

Have any players worth getting the?

Autograph for before Giannis?

No, not, Not before Giannis, No.

Somewhere.

Nick is like shaking.

His fists angrily if it's.

Podcast just going to get text.

Yeah, exactly what?

Are you doing?

Hey man, we.

Had this point guard yet so I'm Gubliana blah blah blah.

Something something like that So.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But they do get to the.

Boat.

And successfully start it up.

Kudos to her for remembering the keys.

Yeah, she went back to get.

The keys.

Yeah.

Yeah.

As her boyfriend.

Got bitten?

But I guess yeah it.

Kind of worked.

I mean, was he her boyfriend at that point?

Is like her like.

Convenient hookup, you know, I don't know.

So I mean at at that point zombie.

In the zombie apocalypse, I would assume that relationship titles are loosely based.

That is a good point.

You're you're right.

So yeah, I don't know that we need to put labels on that at that moment.

That's OK.

I saw one part of the the sexual.

Montage.

I didn't need to see any.

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, let's not.

Talk about Steve and Monica, that that was unnecessary.

I was like, OK, that was the uncut.

Version I was like this.

No, no, it's in both.

I'm going.

To go ahead and tell you that's in the theatrical version too.

I was genuinely.

Curious because I was when I.

Looked at the uncut which is the one I bought versus the regular one.

I looked at the time stamps and it looked like it was 1015 minutes more and I was like what, what was the extra bits?

And so it's it's good to, I guess it's good to know that it wasn't that, but it's all like floating heads and it's.

That the preacher confessionals.

Lot longer.

So, yeah, poor Andy.

It's not even that much longer, Jake.

Yeah, yeah.

It's just it seems like it they.

Linger on it a little bit more.

I don't know, it just felt no, it's pretty consistent with the theatrical.

They really just.

Added in a bunch of like gore shots that they had to cut out to get an R rating.

All right, from what I remember.

All right.

And I think.

There's a lot I think there's.

More zombie baby.

And that, yeah, there's more Zombie baby, that's for.

Sure, because that thing like you get like a quick shot of it and the I remember and because this is the thing that they sucker definitely.

Be.

Squeamish about?

In.

2005, 2004 yeah 100% so more zombie.

Jesus.

Yeah.

More.

Zombie Jesus.

I'm I'm fairly sure that that.

Certain that even historically Jesus is is a male and this is a female baby.

I keep forgetting about that part.

I think it's.

I think it's because like, it's.

A Schneider film.

And I'm like.

It is religious context, it definitely.

Could be you're.

Not wrong, it's just.

But yeah, don't be merry.

I don't know.

That's a whole other.

That feels like a whole sub genre on Tubi.

No, I shouldn't beat it like.

That copyright, Copyright.

Copyright College Tubi No, I mean you we have that, but it's it's this, it's the weird thing about this movie is.

That it wants to have these.

Like, poignant moments.

And it ends on one, you know, before you get to the found footage part where you realize, like, that wasn't a good idea at all.

Like it really wasn't a good idea.

But you like, you see Jake Webber looking off into the sunset and Anna's looking back at him, Long and Lee and then OK, you know.

He's he's just going to shoot himself.

He's like, wow, and it's boom and then cut.

I'm like, I remember in the theater going like, that's it, wow.

And then, you know, then we, yeah.

And then we hung around real quick.

You know it.

Teased us, but yeah, what did y'all make of that?

Judge you like that, Endings like that.

He had to go down like that.

I thought it was fine because he didn't shoot himself when he.

Was a zombie he shot himself.

When he was a person, so presumably he knew it was going to happen.

Yeah.

Yeah, he knew.

I'm not saying it wasn't justified.

I'm just.

Saying like he took himself out before he could ever turn.

He finally did the thing that he wanted to do to begin.

With that, Anna wasn't going to let him do.

Are you saying he secretly over this year?

Now he's like, I sent that bitch off on a boat.

So I can do what I want.

Oh my God, I have never read it that way before.

Lindsay, that may improve my popcorn rating.

Did Jay Webber had this secret day I just.

Want to die?

No one would leave me alone.

And she got turned on by my.

Chainsaw trick.

And I mean, I had to, right?

It's a pity Lane.

She lost her husband I can't get away from.

Her she lost her husband and her Corolla I owe.

It to Oh my God, the Corolla it's like.

I could walk away from.

Her in a mall.

I can't.

Do that on a boat.

Yeah, I'm out.

Are you saying that before?

They push off the boat.

He was there, like gnawing on his own arm.

Look, you.

Know like when kids used to give themselves.

Like hickeys, like on.

Their arm and everything.

Like I got bitten.

Darn.

Remember what kind of school?

You went to.

We just used to put the.

Glue on our.

Hands and peel it off.

But yeah, we did not do Yeah, well.

He.

Did the.

Rules.

Pull my.

Skin.

So.

Dry now?

No, I.

I think he actually did get bitten.

But yeah, no, but I love your interpretation that he's.

Like he's pro shooting bitten people.

Before they die.

I'm just saying he is that that that was his.

Campaign and he was going to go down with yeah politician and the zombie.

Apocalypse.

Yeah, he he gets to, he gets to fulfill his.

Dreams of being.

Budweiser, I guess.

Well.

Filter wrote a great.

Song so.

Here we go.

But wow.

So well, OK, but it's not.

Over though, right, because we go to the all the cut through the found footage where we get to see I hated that that taste.

I hated that.

I hated.

That.

It was so.

Annoying if you.

Take that.

As.

Canon.

How can you not?

It's in the movie.

It's in the credits, Jay.

That's part of the fucking movie bro.

I think we've all I mean.

All of us have watched a.

Marvel movie.

Or 10.

So therefore it's cannon.

Oh, even before that man Ferris Bueller like.

Him telling you to go home is part of the movie.

Yeah, you wait around, but Ferris Bueller is magical and can break the.

4th wall well, OK, but you also get to watch.

You know monster Jeffrey Jones slub into the school bus as part.

Of that that montage.

PNT or that that credit sequence so and which is what he deserved.

So I think the video see like the the.

Camera.

Scene.

It's like, oh OK, you found this camera and it's so short lived that it's making me hate this character a little bit more, right that this guy.

Yeah, I'm like Bart for.

Bart Yeah.

Yeah, and.

No wonder chips ran off.

It's not because of the zombies, it's because he's sick of that camera.

Well, I I love being.

Ranged as like.

Get that out of my face.

And you feel like that he's talking to Zack Snyder at that moment, like I'm doing this.

You brought me back to shoot this garbage.

We've done this movie for six months.

They shot this, like, way later.

Did they really?

Yeah.

This one, Like he added it in later because he was like, I feel like I need something, you know, because he wanted to have this sort of darker ending of like, go, did they live?

Did they not?

Well, maybe not.

And so.

Yeah.

So I I kind of AM.

Surprised the cop.

Didn't.

Just take.

The damn camera and like throw it into the water, right?

Yeah, that would have been interesting because that seems.

Like something he would do.

But I mean the the way it goes is, you know, the.

Zombies come at them and the camera drops and then all you see is chewing through, you know, Disturbed.

Yes.

How?

Yeah.

Is.

There a.

Zombie.

Movie in existence where the the humans that aren't zombies win.

Like did they ever figure it out?

Does anyone ever figure it out?

Figure out how to beat zombies.

Yeah, I mean.

Kinda in World War.

Z in the.

Movie version, they sort of figure out how to reverse it in some way.

I never watched the 28, you know, movies.

I'm sure Ron has he can tell us, but I I don't know.

So yeah, that's a that's.

AI don't.

Maybe I just don't.

I don't.

Have like.

A whole I have, I think perhaps I have a whole in my film repertoire of zombies because I feel like all the zombie movies I've seen, it's just like, well, you're fucked.

Yeah.

I mean, yeah, it feels, it feels like at some point like there is.

No, like getting back around, right?

You can't fix it.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

Like eventually you'll be a.

Zombie like in the 28 movies they don't really solve.

It they just kind of say, Oh well, England's gone and they set up like a.

Basically.

Passport control for the undead at the at Calais where the channel comes out.

So they kind of figure out how to live with it though.

That counts.

That counts.

That's fair.

I guess in Shaun.

Of the dead they kind of like.

Kind of in similar fashion.

They were like, they kind of dealt with it.

And then his best friend is locked up in his shed for the rest of time.

But.

I.

Don't I?

But I think that World War Z is the only one that comes to mind where, like, they found a solution.

Yeah.

Quotations.

Yeah.

Just.

Asking from.

My own curiosity, this is a side point or it's a side question, Ryan, am I?

Picking up that you're not a big fan of World War Z either.

I hate that movie, so I'm probably gonna hate that movie too.

OK all.

Right, so.

It is just a mash of CGI.

Tom Cruise and no Brad Pitt.

Brad Pitt, it's even worse it.

Is Brad Pitt even worse?

You're right, yeah.

It's the Tom Cruise that doesn't shower, so it's just.

There's nothing.

I don't find it scary.

It's just like absolute chaos and then quiet and then absolute chaos and then quiet and I'm like, I have better things to do.

The.

Only thing that had a more hoary relationship with.

A Pepsi machine was Alien 3, and that was because of that commercial.

But I'll never I'll remember that about that movie forever and I'll never watch it again unless for some reason we do it here and then.

I know we're not reviewing World War Z, but I just felt like.

It didn't do anything to to to the zombie genre other than to be like they can be faster, which faster and more.

Intense is the George Lucas.

Of zombies.

It's like great, OK, that's it.

We're fine.

Which is the shame, because the actual book.

Is great that's what everybody tells me is that the book's incredible and I.

The movie turned me so off to it.

I just won't go back to the book.

And the unabridged audio book is.

Fabulous.

And that really sucks because it's like that isn't?

That is, I didn't even know that there was a book to it, but like that does that.

That's kind of like disappointing to know that probably a lot of people will never know about the book unless somebody's read the book and told them that the movie was terrible.

It was a it was a big.

Deal but it but yeah, I think.

It I think it fell it, I don't know it it the movie turned me away from it.

But hey, there's no book on Dawn of the Dead.

Yay.

There probably is somewhere.

There's probably a.

Novelization tie in.

I can.

Only imagine what the montage is written as.

But anyway.

Yeah, I'll give a shout out to the.

The unabridged audio.

Book version.

Of of World War Z 'cause they get some really good actors and really interesting people to do 'cause it's.

Like in like.

A people's recounting of what they went through in the zombie apocalypse after the fact, after humanity beats them and figures out a way to defeat them.

Oh man, you got Sam and Peg and Mark.

Hamill and Henry Rollins in this thing.

John Taylor Rollins is one of the best narrators in that.

Whole Book.

Nathan.

Fillion, Albert.

Alfred Merlina.

OK, I'm intrigued.

Henry Rollins is playing Alan Alden.

Is a is a bodyguard type for a bunch of spoiled rich Hollywood assholes who put themselves into the they put.

Themselves into a like a big.

Fortress type bunker and they live stream it so people can watch them because they're Hollywood types and they need to be watched at all times.

And he's he's just so dripping with disdain about these people and their lifestyle and, and the way that they live.

I feel like this Henry Rollins family, his own disdain, I can imagine so everyone he's ever met.

In Hollywood, that is a geeky pop.

That's.

Fair, Nice.

Well, we've.

Covered a lot today.

We really have everyone.

I don't think.

There's.

I know, I know.

This is how it.

Always goes, it's how it always goes.

So not always.

But yes, like Ron said lately.

So I think I think we can safely say that it is time for some popcorn ratings.

I hope you all agree.

Yes, sure.

Ryan I.

Think you remember the popcorn rating system, right?

OK, I do.

Do you like to kick us?

Off with your popcorn rating.

Of this movie.

Oh dear.

OK, so.

It is definitely.

A Early 2.

Thousands horror movie there it's but like I think that you kind of brought up Lindsay.

It's not really scary.

I think that the first 10 minutes of it is great and it kind of goes up and down depending, but it's it's kind of cheesy and I have a special.

Place in my heart.

For early 2000s horror films, and this kind of fits that niche as well.

So I think that I'm going to give this a medium popcorn with butter and salt, but you kind of got to shake it up a little bit in order to get a little bit of everything that you want in a single cluster.

But yeah, cool, Ron.

I feel like.

I'm going to be the odd man out here because I love.

This movie and all of the tonal weirdness.

And all the Zack.

Snyder quirks kind of work for me.

I am the probably the closest thing to a Zack Snyder defender the podcast has.

In fact I'm pretty sure that I am so.

Which is why me and friend of the show Rob are the ones who did Army of the Dead.

Nobody else.

So we could gush about it without people like shitting on our parade.

Speaking of Zack.

Snyder's zombie movies.

But I'm going to go with a large popcorn with lots of red dyed corn syrup.

Because this whole purpose of this movie is.

You're right, it's not really a horror movie.

It's a horror movie in the sense that it's a zombie movie.

So it gets shuffled off in the horror, whether it's a horror movie or not, it's an action movie.

It's a really good action movie to me.

And if you can look past what your expectations are for a zombie flick, kind of like people had to have done with Alien 2 many, many years ago, how it was a complete departure from when Alien one was, I feel like you can enjoy this for what it is, which is just like a an idiot roller coaster ride.

So large popcorn, all right.

Jay.

So I know I sound like the hater.

Here and I'm really.

Not I like I said, there's, there's some of Zack Snyder stuff I really like and there's some of his stuff that he does that I like, but it's, it always feels like there's just a little too much of it.

And the thing about this movie is, and, and I'll go back to it, like I said, the beginning, the 1st 10 minutes of it are as good as anything in the air.

I'd put it up with any of it.

The best horror movie of 2004 in my opinion is the original Saw, which is an incredible movie and you know, it's got its own branching weirdness as it gets into a series.

But this movie for being a remake, you could do a lot worse for a horror remake.

I'll I'll say that now.

Like it was definitely handled by people who cared about the original property but also wanted to do something different with it.

And Ron, I'm glad you love it.

I think I I love it when we don't always agree on these things.

I think that's fine.

Like it's OK to like a movie dollar to Eric Siska out there.

That's why I I please come on the show, Eric.

You probably of all of them, you probably would, but but the thing about this movie is that it it starts off with such a bang and then it does get me to an interesting place in the mall and then it just starts to grind and it just becomes this, it's just this chore and it's like a it's like a medium popcorn where I'm like, I want I I just ran a long run.

I want all the butter and all the salt I can get.

I've earned it, Dang it.

And about 1/3 of the way through eating it going like I'm going to regret this greatly if I continue to eat this.

And I'm like, and so I set it aside and I'm just like, okay, now I'm just here, Oh yeah, let's have sex in the sliver scene.

Okay, cool, whatever, there's a dog, whatever, you know, can we shoot, can we shoot Phil Dunphy in the head already?

You know, like, I'm just waiting for it now.

The last 15 minutes of it picks it back up.

So I'm left with this like really cool beginning and really cool end with all this shit in the middle that didn't really come for.

So it's very much like the original when a stranger calls in that way where the opening is awesome and then you have all this crap and then the last 10 minutes are like, Oh my God, you know, and and a lot of Charles Darning and shirts that he did not need to be wearing way too tight for that man.

But anyway, 70s costuming aside, this movie, there's parts of it just drag for me and and I can't get over them.

And I don't hate it, but I don't absolutely love it either.

But that said, it's a good medium popcorn.

It's fine.

It's fun and it was a ton of fun talking about it with y'all.

So I'm glad we finally we've been talking about doing this forever.

I'm glad we found there are getting this one in for the shock toger.

But yeah, it's going to be a medium popcorn for me with just a little too much butter because that's that's what this movie is for me.

I am also going to echo the medium.

Popcorn.

I think out of the zombie movies I've seen that I don't even know.

I don't even know how I feel about it anymore.

It just didn't hit the same way I remembered it hitting the last time I really watched it.

But I still I the first half of it.

I would say I was absolutely 100% on board large popcorn.

And then it just started like we talked about at the beginning of the podcast, we're just kind of started to get not as good, but like more and more and more not good.

So I think I like your concept, Jay.

I think I'm gonna go with like a medium popcorn.

And the top half is just like the perfect it is.

It's got like just the right amount of extra butter, the perfect amount of salt.

And then you keep eating it and you realize that you've eaten all the butter.

It hasn't gone all the way down.

You know, you didn't do the straw trick or anything like that or, or you went to a movie theater where they don't do the some movie theaters ask if you want butter in the middle.

So they'll half fill it, put butter on it, fill it the rest of the way and put butter on it again.

Find yourself one of those theaters.

It is a treat.

But it, it wasn't a popcorn from one of those.

It was just they the 15 year old working in the counter just like put a few a few squirts of the movie theater butter flavor on it and it was great for the first half and then the second-half not so much.

So that's what that's what I would give it.

I think that's that's my story and I'm sticking to it.

But it really was.

I mean, there are so many great things to say about this movie.

I honestly would say if you haven't seen it, please go for it.

If you lived during that time period, it's a good nostalgic watch for the movies of that time.

But yeah, and and the sounds and the sound tracks, some of the needle drops were, were pretty great.

So yeah, I would I.

Would recommend.

But with that, don't they In the isn't the closing montage?

To people who died by the Jim Carroll Band, it is.

Yeah.

I didn't know.

What the What the song?

Was, but yeah, it's it's an awesome song.

It's a great song.

Yeah, so it.

Had it had some really.

Great.

It had some really great needle drops.

It had a lot of a lot of really amazing things punctuated with like the wrong marks.

So maybe an exclamation point where a question mark should have been or whatever.

You know, that's, that's how I feel about it.

Yeah.

But but overall, like, I still really enjoy the movie.

I'm absolutely still gonna watch it again.

So anyway, all that long story long, long podcast long.

I'd say it was an.

Overall good.

Movie and great discussion as always.

Thank you, Ryan for joining again.

Really.

Really a.

Treat to have you on and I'm sure we'll have you on again soon.

Sooner than later, so for all the other folks.

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