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Ernie Adams Stories

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Speaker 1

Welcome to Games of Names.

I'm Julian Edelman, and we got a brand new compilation, Highlight Real starting.

Speaker 2

Now now, Ernie Adams on Drake May, Mike Rabel and the twenty twenty five Patriots.

Speaker 1

What do you think a good year is for Drake May?

Speaker 3

Okay, so I think the basic standard is year two, year two.

First year, you got to show some potential, which he did.

Second year, you got to show some significant improvement.

Obviously we all love him to be, you know, championship level quarterback, but you've really got to show some real significant improvement.

Third year, you got to be a player, I mean, a guy who can go out and you know when when the championship's on the line, you know you're you're you're ready to go.

So he's clearly showing potential.

I mean he's got to you know, we got to see some real progress here.

Speaker 1

And what's progress look like?

Speaker 3

You know, all the little things like I would say, just watching him, he has a little bit of a tendency step up in the pocket, tucket and run and say step up, keep his eyes downfield, throw to complete the pass for fifteen yards.

I would much rather have the quarterback complete a pass for fifteen yards, than try to run for fifteen yards.

If you want to run for fifteen yards, give it a Henderson or Stevenson.

But the quarterbacks there to throw the ball, so you know, keep your eyes downfield, try to complete the pass.

If there's nothing there, you know, the then you got to run.

But it's just all the processing things.

You know, faster, no one when you know when or you run the sixty four special, you know why shot a cross X on the incut.

You got to be able to see hey, in two steps, my extra is going to come open.

Speaker 4

No comings too.

Speaker 3

Can I hang with him for the extra half second or not?

Which is that was something like Tom was always a master.

He always knew where his outlet was, always knew where his outlet was, so you could hang, hang, hang, last second, go to the outlet.

Speaker 4

You know.

Speaker 3

No, you had a real good sense of the timing of the play.

You know, you say, he's got to have a clock in his head.

The processing, the processing which is and you know it's really fast.

There's bad guys come and trying to hit you.

So I mean, it's it's like where I've told a couple of young quarterbacks, I don't know, if you've ever watched on if I mentioned the network ESPN, they do Formula one, you know with the camera right over the driver's shoulder.

That's really good for a quarterback to watch because that's how fast you got to play.

I mean, those drivers, you know, there's no think about it, you just you just just got to do it.

And that's that's how you got to play quarterback.

Yeah, to try watching the Formula one and check that, you know, check that out for that.

Speaker 1

Well, we watched NASCAR last night to determine our fantasy draft and.

Speaker 3

Okay, I'm a Formula one guy, you know, not Nascar, but why because they actually have to make right terms.

Speaker 1

But all they got to do is win the poll, ar Andy.

No one ever passes each other.

Speaker 4

Know what.

Speaker 3

But it's still just there's there is actually you know, I actually there's some real and I understand having the right tires and all that, but it's just, you know, the courses are so much more interesting.

Speaker 4

This is a new movie with Brad Pitton.

Speaker 1

F One have not.

You're gonna hate it.

I think you should take Christine to see it.

Okay, get a popcorn on me.

Speaker 3

Like I don't watch it every but every time I do.

That's what I'm thinking.

Hey, this this is the for a quarterback.

You gotta be you gotta be playing.

You gotta be processing information as fast as that driver's processing.

Speaker 4

Yeah, you really do.

Speaker 1

Because second drop, you're looking at the safeties on that special and that safety drops in the cover too, Then you know you gotta get backsided the high level, right, I mean, and that's the shallow to that incut.

So if that linebacker goes with that shallow, you better bang that incut in and you.

Speaker 3

Can and you and you have the hole is gonna be small.

You can't have any hesitation.

I mean, you don't get a second look, No, see it and throw it and that and that's a big that's what really differentiates you know, quarterbacks.

Speaker 1

So Drake May has to be able to process faster.

That would be a successful year.

Speaker 3

The faster he can process, the better he's going to play.

And if you know that, yeah, that would be that would get him going towards a successful year.

Speaker 4

I mean everything else that comes with it.

Speaker 1

But you think Josh would be good for him?

Speaker 3

Yeah, I mean I think Josh look, a good coach can help a player, And that's what I think to me, I think coach players look at a coach and can this guy help me play better or not.

If the answer is yes, the player will listen to the coach.

If the answer is no, forget it.

Speaker 4

Now.

Speaker 1

I know you haven't been watching this team as deep as Ernie does, but what would you think the identity of this team would be knowing that coach Rabel's the head coach?

Speaker 3

Well, so, my, my coach Rabel.

What I remember, a apart from all the great plays, was the first game of the two thousand and eight season.

Okay, remember that, You remember what happened.

Tom hurt his knee, so we all knew coming in after the game, I think, Okay, Brady heard his knee.

He's out for the season.

And as as my I'm standing in the locker him.

There's Mike Frable.

Okay, boys, we're going to have a little different brand of football, and that's you know, Mike a run the ball and play defensive.

That is so deep.

I mean, I just know what Mike.

That is so deep in his his soul.

That's not going to change.

Yes, he understands you gotta throw the ball, but he's a he's a defensive guy and it's the running game.

It's defense, that's the heart of it.

That's what he loved having.

Speaker 4

Uh.

Speaker 3

You know, Henry is his back at Tennessee and just pound it, pounded, pound, pound it.

Speaker 1

Yeah, that's his Delon Lewis tooley for a year.

Remember he's still dealing from us this.

Speaker 3

But I mean, to me, what's their identity going to be?

That's that's gonna be.

Speaker 1

Yeah, you control the game.

It's more of a controlling style of the game, right.

Speaker 3

Well, but the thing you get into the NFL when I mean you run the ball to control the tempo, you throw the ball to ring the cash register, yep, and that so you get you know, I mean, sooner or later, you got to be able to do You've got to be if you're a running team, great, you got to be able to throw it enough, particularly.

Speaker 4

When you need to, you know, to be effective.

Speaker 3

I mean that's I mean, that's really like Lamar Jackson's NFL MVP and all that.

But you know, when it's third and fifteen of the fourth quarter of the championship game, is he is you know, how good is he really going back and making the throw to pick it up?

He's going to hit some of them.

He might hit enough of them to win a championship.

I'm not sure as opposed to you know, take the extreme case.

You know, you're down twenty eight three with two twelve to go in the four in the third quarter of the Super Bowl, everybody in the world knows, you got to throw the ball.

I mean, you know, And that was always my standard for quarterback in the NFL.

What you really want is someone who can win the game throwing the football because he's the only guy in the field who can do that.

And that's uh, I mean, I know people running, Hey, running quarterbacks are great.

Tired to be a running quarterback much past age twenty eight?

Speaker 1

Yeah, I mean really, you know, for eighteen games, for seventeen games.

Speaker 3

Right right, I mean, so you know you you got to be Hey, everything's on the line.

It's third and third and seventeen.

We got to pick it up.

I gotta throw it.

It's gonna be a small window.

I got to make a good decision, make the throw.

Speaker 1

We haven't had you on since since Ravees became head coach.

Speaker 3

It's right, and here we have the game we're going to talk about.

Super Bowl thirty eight.

Coach Mike Rabel stripsack and kind of touchdown.

Speaker 4

Pass, strip sag and kind a touchdown pass.

Speaker 3

Okay, then no, I mean that's a good chance.

It will be a long time for somebody else that plays in the Super Bowl has a strip sack and catches.

Speaker 1

A touch long time it'll be.

Now, what are your what are your thoughts on how how coach will be as a coach.

Speaker 3

You know what I remember, of course about Mike was when we went defense, when there's the defensive show team out there for the offense, Mike played week safety and that was his position.

If anybody else had gone out there said I'm playing we say, Mike would have said, get the f out of So he loved the running commentary on football.

You could tell that Mike was totally in the football and I will say some players, you can tell if he wants to coach, he'll be a good coach.

Speaker 4

The question is does he want to work the hours, because.

Speaker 3

It's not you know, if you're a player, you know you're getting the beating and all, but at least at the end of the day, you know, Tuesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Thursday five, I can go home.

For coaches, you're going to be there at eleven o'clock getting ready for the next day.

Some guys just said, look, I love football.

I don't want to be here at eleven o'clock every night.

Like Ryan Wendell, I knew Wendy'd be a good coach.

He's at Buffalo.

So I went over to him.

Well started buff and I went out, Wendy, how you liking this coaching?

Speaker 4

He says, I love it.

Speaker 3

So if you actually I know, he knows the football, if he likes, you know, actually doing it, he'll he'll be, you know, be a really good coach.

Other guys, I don't you know.

I mean, if you're coaching, you get up in the morning, your wife's asleep, you come back, and you come back and then she's asleep, you know.

I mean, it's it's the Vince Vincelombardi thing with his wife Marie and coaching on Monday.

Monday through Wednesday, we don't talk.

On Thursday, we say hello, But Friday he's actually civil.

I mean during the season.

That's and that part of it for coaches has not changed at all.

It's like somebody somebody asked, me, well, what do coaches do?

Speaker 4

Hey?

Speaker 3

The best book ever written on the subject was Vince Lombardi's book Run the Daylight.

It's minute to minute account of him going through a big game, you know, in nineteen sixty two now, and it's okay, so he used sixteen millimeter film that he was taking, but getting a team ready to play.

Speaker 4

It's the same thing it had.

Speaker 3

It has not, you know, it is not you know, maybe a couple of plays are different, but the process for a coach hasn't changed, hasn't.

Speaker 1

So, yeah, says Raby's putting the hours in knowing him.

I'm sure he is, you know.

Speaker 4

I mean, I'm.

Speaker 1

Excited for them because you usually do take the personality of your head coach.

Speaker 3

Right, and it takes and it takes, you know, you take it and it's not something you do in one off season on one training camp.

Speaker 4

I mean you got to go through some you.

Speaker 1

Know, and he's done that though in Tennessee.

I mean he hasn't resumeated this guy.

Speaker 3

No, he did it, no question, I mean he had but but I mean as fire as okay, he did it at Tennessee.

But to come okay, coming to the Patriot New bunch of guys, you know, you start all over.

There's no you know, anything that it did at Tennessee, that's that's ancient history.

Just like anything that the Patriots sit when micros a player, that's like, that's pat that's ancient, ancient history.

Speaker 1

It is.

Who's the smartest football mind you ever think you.

Speaker 4

Coached, ever coached.

I have to be Tom.

Speaker 1

Tom.

Speaker 3

I mean because he first of all in twenty years.

I mean there's nothing like have and I mean you're the You're the starting in the same offense for twenty years.

I mean it because and the offense really it evolved around him.

So you know, and he always like go up for Friday practice when I do the cards to the defense, he.

Speaker 4

You can't show me a coverage.

I haven't said, okay, big, I will say so now I used to have a little that was always a little bit of a challenge in there.

Speaker 1

And that's what So that's what we used to get the uh you know, when the coach was an offensive or defense assistant at UOP or something.

And he showed one blitz in nineteen eighty four.

Speaker 4

I watched to be you, Tom sid.

Speaker 1

So that's your way of getting that, Tom.

Speaker 3

Yeah, And you know it's like, hey, what killed him every time was dropping eight in the red area.

Speaker 4

Oh, he got so upset with.

Speaker 3

Because the windows are small and they just shrunk that you was small.

Speaker 4

The P drop, P drop in the red area.

Speaker 1

He would get so mad, which.

Speaker 4

Is why he needed to see it, which is why we were.

Speaker 1

Yeah, do you ever remember a specific time you stumped him and he got really mad?

Speaker 4

Oh?

Those drops in the red.

Speaker 2

Next the real reason the Patriots and Ernie Adams knew Tom Brady was going to be great.

Speaker 1

You remember the scouting process when you guys were scouting Brady.

Speaker 3

You know really it was, Yeah, the number one thing you want to see our football player is what does he do in the games?

I mean it's you know, that is it's kind of a bottom line business.

And when you get somebody who goes in and plays well in the games, that's what gets your attention.

And we had, you know, one one person you never knew, a great guy, Dick Raybine was our quarterback coach, who unfortunately died during training camp in two thousand and one.

Speaker 4

I mean got on treadmill and you know, had had a harder show and he died.

Speaker 3

But you know, you get you know, you look, you don't try to make it too complicated.

If a guy goes in the game against good competition and play as well, that is what we're trying to do.

It's not about you know, the combine stuff, which is important, but you know, it's really what does the guy do when he gets on the field against good competition and so you get great, Hey, have a great ball game against Alabama.

I mean, you know, and play well when you're in there.

There's a lot of things as a player you can't control, but what you can control is what you actually do when.

Speaker 4

You get out on the field.

He always to talk about that.

Speaker 1

When did you know he was a killer?

Speaker 3

You know, when I first Tom's rookie year in two thousand, he was like he was a third string quarterback and he was not going to get in the game.

I mean, you know, unless you say, look, if you have two guys get injured in the same game, he can get in.

But it wasn't going to happen.

And after practice he would go he would go grab our young rookie tight end Chris Heisman and take him over on the side and make Chris run patterns for him.

But it wasn't just running patterns.

Tom wanted to call the play it's third and six.

All right, heights, this is the play we're gonna run.

Call it out.

You know, just Tom wanted to put himself through the situation.

His the way I'm gonna call the play in this situation.

Speaker 4

It's not just.

Speaker 3

Let's just go, you know, run around, play catch, you know, to think in a game, thinking situations.

And you know, and I always figured if a player is gonna stay out light after somebody, should you know, honor him by going over and watching.

I'm just standing watching this.

Speaker 4

This guy.

Speaker 3

He's really trying to get ready to play, even though he has no chance of playing this week.

And of course Tom's the guy if he wanted to get in the right stands.

How do you get in the right stands?

You practice it in front of the mirror.

Speaker 4

You just do.

Speaker 3

You know, being obsessive compulsive can get you in trouble sometimes, but you can also lead to great results.

Speaker 4

And that's the way I kind of look at that.

Speaker 3

You know, Tom is the ultimate obsessive compulsive, you know, among players, because he's not you know, Tom Brady didn't just drop out of the sky a Hall of Fame quarterback.

Speaker 4

He made himself into a Hall of fame quarterback.

Speaker 3

And when people would tell me at the draft, work I work hard as Brady, You're for of shit.

Speaker 4

You have no idea what you're talking about.

And that's the correct I mean, I got there.

Speaker 1

He already had three super Bowls and he was still flying in a coach week eleven to work on his little fundamentals after a practice.

Speaker 4

Hey, but you know what if that was when.

Speaker 1

He was a four.

You know that that's what people don't see.

Speaker 3

They don't see, they don't understand.

And that was kind of like when I was talking about being impressed with Peyton Manning warming up before the game.

When it's football now, I mean it's dead ass serious, hundred percent every time.

Yeah, there's no you don't take any plays off in practice.

Speaker 1

He never did, never did.

Speaker 3

And you know what he would if if you ran around first time?

He told joee, we really want to do it this way, and then he expects you to get it right that second time.

Hey, if you might not quite understand the first time, that's not a problem.

Screwing up after we explained it to you, that's a problem.

Speaker 1

Make a mistake.

He just can't make the same mistake twice, right, And with him, you know I was a punching bag for him because the more success that we had, he could never really get on guys as hard as he wanted to, because they you know, they've been watching him since before they were born.

Speaker 2

Now, Ernie Adams breaks down the Patriots twenty eighteen game plan against the Kansas City Chiefs.

Speaker 4

Oh, yeah, we competitive see.

I brought this.

Speaker 3

This is this is this is my Chief's book from twenty eighteen.

Oh my gosh, which you know this is so as you can see here, Jules, what I do before you get ready of the game.

I've got every game they played, you know, guy, and I've this is farm I've you know, got comfortable.

Speaker 1

Using Ernie cards.

Speaker 3

Well so these aren't the cards, but I can, but you know one page you use both sides of course.

Uh, I got sixteen plays on each on each patch.

So if I want to find out, because the Chiefs or Big they're repeaters, if they've done something thing in a critical situation middle of the season, you get in that same critical situation, decent chance.

Speaker 4

You know you're going to get it again.

Speaker 1

And I remember bill Ow He's saying it's gonna be the same play.

They might have a different guy.

They may have a different formulation or a different way of getting there, but it's gonna be this guy here, this guy there, and this guy there.

Speaker 3

Right, which is and that's that's typical of most good teams.

You know, you get good, you get in the critical situation in the fourth quarter, like Sean Payton says, you call the place they know by heart.

I mean, when you're going down for a game wing driving the fourth quarter.

That's what you want to run, right, the stuff you've been running since training camp.

You know exactly what to do.

You know, everybody else on the team knows what to do, and that's what you That gives you you most of the time, gives you your best chance of success.

Speaker 1

Now, Ernie, you have a play.

So this is your your folder for the Chiefs.

It's twenty eighteen.

Yeah, do you have a folder for every single team?

Speaker 3

Probably not, not not to this detail, but because I mean I've got I've got every game here, you know, plus you know some some prior years.

Speaker 4

Uh.

Speaker 3

And one of the reasons because I do the Chiefs they're really good, so you know, and I want to you know, I don't want to go if I must study you in the middle of March study a team.

Speaker 4

I'm not going to go study the worst team in the league.

That really doesn't work.

I want to see what's somebody who's good?

What what you know?

Speaker 3

What is is there something they're doing that we can use?

But you know, putting it all down on paper, to me, is you know the best way to uh?

Because I will tell you, because you're wearing your Phillips Academy hat that the best teacher I ever had in my life was my Latin teacher at Phillips Academy who would put a shll up at the board.

We started a class and he said, well, right, you know right out this sentence how you translated it?

Speaker 4

And he would come and say, oh lad, if you.

Speaker 3

Don't know it well enough to write it down, you don't know it well enough.

Speaker 4

Now.

Speaker 3

Of course when I would use you know, for for thirty years, I would say that to players, you know, say I know this play, okay, put it up on the board.

Speaker 4

Let's see if you can diagram, Let's see if you really know it.

Speaker 3

So I'm a big believer.

You know, you really want to know something, put it down on paper, steady it.

Speaker 4

Make sure you got it right.

Speaker 1

You got to write it down.

I wrote down everything.

That just make me pay attention now.

I always remember when we would be playing against these teams, the game plan.

When you're playing against the Patrick Mahomes team, I just remember, as an offensive guy, plaster plaster.

You got a plaster.

What's the game plan?

So the biggest, the biggest and what does plaster mean?

Speaker 3

Plaster means when when the quarterbacks starts scrambling, you know, you find they find a guy.

Finally, if there's a guy open, go get on him.

What made this team so dangerous was you got Mahomes and you got Tyreek Hill, who's you know, the speed factor.

H really changes things.

So we got to be over the top on him.

You know, these other guys are good, but we have to you know, we have to take this guy away deep.

Speaker 4

And that's where I say.

You always start off.

Speaker 3

What at the heart of it, What do we really need to do on defense here?

Speaker 1

So what did we do to do that?

Speaker 3

So we had Devin, we had we had safety over the top of them all day, which you know it's worked out, but they got you know that leaves other people one on one.

Speaker 4

I mean they got just we get it.

Later in the game.

Speaker 3

They start hitting us with the backs on the wheels, they hit the big play the Hill when my homes scrambled.

And now you always premise your defense, we'll get a pass rush, we'll keep the quarterback contained.

The ball is going to have to come out in about three seconds.

When the quarterback gets loose, and now he's got up there five six second range, you know, things start to break down.

Speaker 4

Bad stuff happens.

Again.

This is you get your plan, you practice it, and you do the best you can.

Speaker 1

Now, how come Travis Kelsey always seems wide open.

Speaker 3

Because he's you know, you get you know, number one, He's got other you know, other great players around them, so they can't just double up on him.

He knows how to working on when the quarterbacks moving around, he's gonna he can adjust with it, and you know, and he's you know, he's he's got the great tools for a receiver.

Speaker 4

Yeah.

Speaker 1

Then when for this specific Kansas City team, the number one thing was we have to contain Hill.

We have to let him have a big play, stay over the top of head over the top.

Put Jay Jones, our fastest guy on him.

Put our other guys right.

Speaker 3

So so if he go, you know, if he goes over to Watkins.

You got, you got Steph.

And there there's a couple of plays there in the second quarter.

I mean it's it's back to back plays.

I mean it's Steph just well he just wires him at the line of scrimmage.

So yeah, you got single coverage, but it's against Steph Gilmore and you guy can't get off the line of scrimmage.

And then you know, enough happens during the game.

They hit, they hit one big play on him because he kind of takes a sneak.

You know, what do you you can't do.

You're an old defensive back.

You play an AFC championship game when it's man the man coverage.

What's the most important thing.

Keep your leverage, keep your levege, and keep your focus on the receiver.

Speaker 4

Your receiver.

Speaker 1

Do not have yours in the background.

Speaker 4

You stick your rise back at the quarterback.

It's over.

Speaker 3

And even even as great player as Stephan's got caught one time he's toick a peep back and you know it's it's going the wrong direction.

So I mean, this is it's a messy game.

Stuff happens.

You just keep going, do the best you can make.

You try and make more plays for your team than the guys are making for their team.

You have a plan and all that.

It doesn't always work out that way.

Speaker 1

Yeah, I mean there's you always got to adjust because the other team is doing exactly the other team's trying to counteract for it.

Your adjust to the adjustments.

Yeah, that's how it's simple.

What do you think about the Chiefs have accomplished since this game?

Speaker 4

It's been fun.

Listen.

Speaker 3

They were you know, I mean winning multiple super Bowls, you know, being and really okay, they lost one to uh they lost one because their offensive line was crippled up.

Speaker 4

I mean they've they've been you know, for the last six years.

Speaker 3

They've been like we were, go to the championship game every year, go to a bunch of Super Bowls.

I mean, I think it's it's a tremendous accomplishment.

Speaker 1

Can you draw any similarities between this run in our run?

Speaker 3

You know, just having I mean I'm not there, but I know it's you.

You've got to have, you know, mentally tough people who know how you know, who to play over that long NFL season and can know how to show up and be there when it counts.

Speaker 1

The one thing that I always say when people ask me this same question is it's been really impressive to see how they've reinvented their team the last three times, you know what I mean, Like they've had to adjust and they you know, people don't realize how hard it is to to sustained success with the salary cap, with when you have to pay certain guys and you don't have enough money for other guys.

And being having having the the humility and being humble enough to change their team from being a high flying team like they were in this year to a run defensive kind of team these last couple of years.

I mean, that's something that we always had to adjust to.

We always adjusted our team to what we could put on the field.

Speaker 4

Yep.

You know.

Speaker 1

So that's some of the stuff what makes Andy Reid such a good coach.

Speaker 3

You know, he's got a he's got a great system, he believes in it, obviously knows how to teach it.

I mean, he's had he's been doing now because remember for him before the Kansas City, that was Philadelphia.

Speaker 4

Yeah, and they went to you know, they had the string there.

Speaker 3

They went to you know, several NFC championship games and look when you're in you know, when you're in the final four and you lose, a couple of people say then I think, I mean, that's you forget it to get just just to just to get to the championship.

Speaker 4

Game, you got to be really good.

Speaker 3

There may be somebody who's just a little bit better and beats you that, but that really shouldn't take away from what you do.

Although in the end, there's thirty two teams in the NFL, there's only one that gets to stand out there, you know, with that final trophy.

So just because you know, maybe hey, you didn't quite get there, you still could be really good, you just you know, not quite good enough to win the championship.

Speaker 1

How are Andy Reiding Bill different and how are they alike?

Speaker 3

You know, because it's yeah, I've never worked with Andy, and you know, Bill I've known for fifty years.

So that's a little bit of a hard one for me too.

Speaker 1

I've heard that he practices hard.

I heard that they practice really hard.

Speaker 4

You know.

That's that's my impression.

Speaker 3

This is a team when they come out for pregame warm up and nobody's screwing around.

I mean, they're getting after playing football and you remember particularly your younger days.

I think we practiced hard.

We practiced, I mean we were we were in pads and camp.

Speaker 1

Yeah, run in the morning.

Speaker 4

I mean, that's that's that's classic NFL.

Speaker 3

I mean, you know, that's that's why guys would have your offensive lineman.

They'd have on their uh you know, the seven studgrass cleats for the morning, they'd have on their ter shoes for the afternoon for past protection.

Speaker 4

Uh.

Speaker 3

It's it's it's you know, you know the old thing about the different games.

Speaker 4

Are you familiar with this a little bit?

Okay?

Speaker 3

Croquet is a gentleman's game played by gentlemen.

Soccer is a beastly game played by gentlemen.

Rugby is a gentleman's game, and all that.

Football is a beastly game played by beasts.

I mean it's you know, this is it's a it's a you know, it's a nasty game.

If you want to how to play it, it's you know, it's it's hard, it's tough.

Speaker 4

It's tough.

Speaker 1

You better be willing to bleed, eat some dirt and take a tablespoon of some men.

At least back in the day.

Speaker 4

I don't know about that.

Speaker 3

That's I'm joking, but it's you know, and that's what you said.

And I don't really know any good teams that were soft.

Yeah, I mean I think that's this.

Some teams maybe have tried, and there's some of the teams the players come whall, we wasn't like this the last team.

Speaker 4

I was, well, great, how many championships did you win?

Yeah?

Speaker 1

Now did you scout Mahomes coming out of Texas Tech?

Speaker 3

You know, we did not really because this was at the stage we said there was zero possibility of us.

Speaker 4

Taking a quarterback in the first round.

Speaker 3

Yeah, so I mean he was, he was, But but no, I wish, uh, you know, I wish I could say I studied any more than I did.

Speaker 1

But have you seen his evolution from the early part of his career?

What have you noticed?

How has he evolved?

If you've watched it?

Speaker 3

Yeah, you know, he started off really good and he's gotten better, you know, and you know, you know, being a good quarterback in the NFL that's a high wire.

Speaker 4

Actor's known that.

Speaker 3

So uh, you know, you you you got to be aggressive with the ball, but you just got you know, you got to know at some point this this is that there's that fine line between being reckless, you know, being aggressive and being reckless.

Speaker 2

Next up, Ernie Adams explains that he knew exactly how to beat Peyton Manning.

Speaker 3

It didn't matter if we were playing, you know, the Jets in a regular season.

Speaker 4

I made a point to spend an hour a.

Speaker 3

Day at least studying the Colts, so, you know, just in the middle, just just to make sure.

Speaker 1

Now what's the study, just watching the game, watching the game, logging it.

Speaker 4

Logging it, what the you know?

Speaker 3

And and the thing was they would get everybody was trying to play him and cover three and cover one and they kill them running up the seams.

I mean you can, oh my god, it was.

It was a slaughter.

And so I said, we can't do this.

We need to go in and play cover four.

We cannot get showed up in the seams.

And Romeo Cornell, are defensive coordinator, is one of my favorite people, said, when you want to play cover three, never not against this team, just don't do it.

They will kid you, okay, And.

Speaker 1

That's what that's kind of what teams would do to us because of Gronk.

Speaker 3

And so I go, this is maybe two years ago and I'm watching a Monday night game, and I'm watching the simulcast with Eli and Peyton Manning and somebody's playing cover four and Peyton Manning goes, yeah.

Speaker 4

I cover four.

Speaker 3

I don't really like my inkcuts and my seams against that.

And I'm sitting there thinking, yes, that's why we played it.

Speaker 4

I mean, it's just made my dad, you know.

Speaker 1

But that's they got out in books.

Speaker 4

They got thirty years the road, Elia.

Speaker 3

Peyton, they got us plenty, Okay, I mean they they got us plenty, So I mean, you know it was I mean, those were and you know, people say we people say we went to nine Super Bowls.

Now we went to ten.

Because that AFC Championship game against the Colts, it was well, first place the NFC team was going to be the Bears.

We had beat the Bears in the regular season for like forty to seven or something, and there's no way that that Bears team, there was no way they were going to be able to play against either the Colts or US.

Everybody on that field knew this is for the this is for the championship.

And you know, they they came back and you know, we got up ahead of them and they came back.

Speaker 1

And remember it transferred though.

You know then when Peyton went to the Denver, then it became Denver for us, and it was just it was us versus Peyton.

And you know to this day, cover four.

Speaker 3

Cover four, and I was I was just talking to somebody earlier to the day.

Speaker 1

But then you know what they got us on the cover four.

That's when they started putting that tight end outside and putting Jamie Lee out there, and then they do that double movie.

Speaker 3

Yeah yeah, listen, this was like, Y know that this is this is a chess meat chess match, except those other chess beats.

They can fight back and they run fast.

Yeah, you know, so it's constant, you know, I mean it's constant.

But you know everybody talks about you know.

Of course, we had in twenty fourteen that great game against the Ravens.

You know, we had to come from behind and beat them.

Speaker 4

You hit Danny on.

Speaker 3

The touchdown pass.

Then the Super Bowl against the Seahawks.

But the most truly amazing thing that year was remember in the Divisional playoff game.

Somehow I have no idea to this day how this happened.

The Broncos lost to the Colts.

Oh I know, how did this is like, did that that that just shouldn't have happened in Denver?

Speaker 4

I mean it was.

Speaker 1

Like, I remember we went into that week.

Speaker 3

We we knew perfectly, well, hey if we're gon, we got the Ravens and we're gonna have to go play the Broncos the next week, and that they lost to the Coast.

This it's just it's it happened, but it shouldn't have happened.

Speaker 4

Yet.

Speaker 3

Yeah, well, that to me was a game that proved it because Denver was so much better than you know, it's like we end up beating the Colts forty five to six or something.

If the Coats couldn't play with us, they they should not have been able to play with them.

It should have been Patriots Broncos for another Brady you know, manning AFC Championship game matchup.

But I know, you know, but but listen, they got so we we got We got the Colts in three and o four and they came back and the Brothers they got us plenty.

Speaker 4

Good.

Speaker 1

Thanks for listening.

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