[SPEAKER_05]: It's episode 1271, and it's the relevant podcast here in Orlando, I'm your host, Cameron Strike.

[SPEAKER_05]: Enjoying me, you know Jesse today.

[SPEAKER_05]: Joining me from Nashville, artists produce their mogul, Derek Miner.

[SPEAKER_05]: What up, though?

[SPEAKER_05]: Just out in the street there, and Nashville are managing editor downtown, Emily Brown.

[SPEAKER_05]: And from LA says first video podcast with us, it's Marty.

[SPEAKER_04]: So excited guys.

[SPEAKER_04]: I feel it feels good to be here Cameron looks like he's on ESPN.

[SPEAKER_04]: Derek.

[SPEAKER_04]: He looks like he's in some really cool studio.

[SPEAKER_04]: You know Emily she's in a lot cabin that Taylor Swift owns and I'm in an Afghanistan hostage video you do have a clue like they gave you that [SPEAKER_04]: It was for Derek it was spun around.

[SPEAKER_05]: I didn't know this was to hit the wall.

[SPEAKER_05]: I didn't even You're in those like you're in those like Japanese micro hotels.

[SPEAKER_05]: You're in like Yeah, I'm actually in jail.

[SPEAKER_04]: You know how they have cell phones and jail.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's where I am.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah [SPEAKER_05]: I did turn everything around for me.

[SPEAKER_05]: I mean if people have watched the first three episodes I was in front of a big TV, which is right there and I just was like I don't like how can I have this big room like Derek does I have this big long room my desk is over there.

[SPEAKER_05]: There's shelves and aquariums There's this whole area over here that's like the podcast I was just like I'm just gonna flip it so there you go.

[SPEAKER_05]: It's so loud.

[SPEAKER_08]: It looks better.

[SPEAKER_05]: It's good now You can see my actual interest.

[SPEAKER_05]: There's a relevant magazine with Jerry Lorenzo right there [SPEAKER_05]: They're cool.

[SPEAKER_05]: Charles Barkley going to go to get his horse grant the 90s.

[SPEAKER_05]: I love that.

[SPEAKER_05]: There's a signed Aaron Gordon winning the dunk competition right there.

[SPEAKER_05]: There's a band right there.

[SPEAKER_05]: That's best deal.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not going to get to any non.

[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, right there, right there.

[SPEAKER_05]: There's a podcast fan back in like 2008 Nick Fruiting up in that and up in Canada.

[SPEAKER_05]: We had like a rivalry going with Canadians and he did a piece of art right there that says America Canada's jorts.

[SPEAKER_05]: and he drew the continent.

[SPEAKER_05]: I love that.

[SPEAKER_05]: And America was wearing shorts and then Florida, where a flower romance based was the dangling participle and he pixelated it.

[SPEAKER_05]: And he put relevant media group on it.

[SPEAKER_06]: And so, uh, cool.

[SPEAKER_08]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I met him.

[SPEAKER_05]: I met him when I was up in Vancouver one time.

[SPEAKER_05]: I met him as well.

[SPEAKER_05]: Did you fight him?

[SPEAKER_05]: No, he's great.

[SPEAKER_05]: Our rivalry with Canadians was hilarious for about five years.

[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, I have a little Canadian flag.

[SPEAKER_05]: I had they just would send us Canadian snacks.

[SPEAKER_05]: It was really funny.

[SPEAKER_03]: So I like that.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's specifically Canadians not like Canada and general, but like specifically the people of Canada.

[SPEAKER_05]: This is a this is Emily this pan that little pin right there says it's a it's a gator skull and it says don't mess with Texas, but don't have with Florida.

[SPEAKER_05]: So you know that and then I agree to that as there's a constitution he just has a come up there is this is an original page.

[SPEAKER_05]: of a Bible from the 1500s, uh, it's a verse, um, uh, specific the book of Joshua or Jeremiah sorry, and it is, uh, the John Roberts edition, the martyr, the martyr, he's my, I'm a direct descendant of him.

[SPEAKER_05]: He was like one of the Christian martyrs under Bloody Mary, and he printed this Bible, made this Bible and spreading the Bible, and he got murdered by Bloody Mary [SPEAKER_05]: And gifted it to me.

[SPEAKER_05]: And so look at that.

[SPEAKER_05]: This is me.

[SPEAKER_05]: So it's basketball rival relevant Joe I have a question.

[SPEAKER_08]: I don't know if this appropriate not but he get it on the hobby lobby black market.

[SPEAKER_07]: He got it from a reputable and take with these dealer.

[SPEAKER_07]: I you can give whatever you get whatever you need hobby lobby is like this, they're like.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: That look a landtick with ease.

[SPEAKER_04]: I have a theory that Hobby Lobby destroyed Joanne's fabrics and all these other, like they monopolize the market and I have this theory, it's almost like they're connected to the market.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's called free.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: Competition.

[SPEAKER_03]: I don't like it.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I say this as someone who did visit Joanne's on its last legs.

[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think we ever needed a hobby lobby and a Joanne's Anna Michaels.

[SPEAKER_03]: And like there's so many stores that it's like, I would go to them and think, okay, I want this product.

[SPEAKER_03]: Let me go to another short exactly like it and see if the price is the same.

[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I understand that that's literally the point of capitalism, but inevitably, one of them was always going to die.

[SPEAKER_03]: All right, P.

Joanne's, I do miss you.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, so I'll do your really best.

[SPEAKER_08]: over here it is.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we have one.

[SPEAKER_03]: I think they have a lot of Joanne's merch.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, they're doing like they're starting to sell stuff that's like kind of off kilter now like they're selling TVs and stuff.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm like, how is that even?

[SPEAKER_04]: Like they're just like Michael's a.

Yeah, like they sell it flat screen.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm making it in this economy.

[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's become like a Tuesday morning where you just like, oh, there's lawn furniture.

[SPEAKER_04]: Is it really, is it a deep, is it a deep, is it a deep, is it a deep, is it a deep, is it a deep, is it a deep, is it a deep, is it a deep, is it a deep, is it a deep, is it a deep, is it a deep, is it a deep, is it a deep, is it a deep, is it a deep, is it a deep, is it a deep, is it a deep, is it a deep, is it a deep, is it a deep, is it a deep, is it a deep, is it a deep, is it a deep, is it a deep, is it a deep, is it a deep, is it a deep, is it a deep, is it a deep, is it a deep, is it a deep, is it a deep, is it a deep, is it a deep, is it a deep, is it a deep, [SPEAKER_04]: How's that even possible?

[SPEAKER_04]: You know, like one of one.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_05]: They robbed me.

[SPEAKER_05]: Love you.

[SPEAKER_05]: Now we're on a visual podcast, Marty.

[SPEAKER_05]: I can include the listeners in the journey of your facial hair.

[SPEAKER_05]: You have a very robust mustache going on right now.

[SPEAKER_05]: It almost looks like a disguise.

[SPEAKER_05]: It's so pronounced.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, um, I have, I mean, I really, as a kid, I had a beard when I was in like a middle school was bad, right?

[SPEAKER_04]: It's just he had a beard.

[SPEAKER_03]: I had a beard.

[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_04]: As a child, like I remember going into like seventh grade and the teacher was like, you need a shave, your face.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I'm like, no, I'm not.

[SPEAKER_04]: It was really weird.

[SPEAKER_04]: So my, he facial, like I could shave this in a tomorrow, it would be back.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's just, there's no major.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's just pure.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's not just his level.

[SPEAKER_04]: That is like real like every time they hear that.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, yeah, real man John Markman Billin verse a pleater for another show over the years he posted last night on TikTok.

[SPEAKER_05]: He goes I haven't seen my face in 20 years.

[SPEAKER_05]: I wonder what it looks like.

[SPEAKER_05]: and he took the video, he went to the store, bought the shaving cream in the razor, and he comes back and shaves himself.

[SPEAKER_05]: And we don't see what it looks like.

[SPEAKER_05]: He's going around and then he like shows his face to his wife and his kid and his friends, his bandmates, and they're all like freaking out laughing at him in this face.

[SPEAKER_05]: And then we see it at the very last second, and he's got your look.

[SPEAKER_05]: He's got a big old mustache.

[SPEAKER_05]: And no beer.

[SPEAKER_05]: He's like, yeah.

[SPEAKER_05]: I love this.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's funny.

[SPEAKER_05]: It's, he had no, no chin.

[SPEAKER_05]: Have you seen the, the J.

Yeah, that's always what I hear.

[SPEAKER_05]: chin is gone.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: It goes from.

[SPEAKER_04]: Lip.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's just chest.

[SPEAKER_04]: It just goes right here.

[SPEAKER_04]: But the funny thing is I, the other day, that's here.

[SPEAKER_04]: So the day I went on YouTube and I Google, I like, you know, searched.

[SPEAKER_05]: Like my dad, he's clean shape.

[SPEAKER_05]: He's old school.

[SPEAKER_05]: Right down the 80s and 90s had an iconic mustache, like a, like a Tom Selik mustache.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, never for never saw him with anything else.

[SPEAKER_05]: And then one day randomly on a family vacation, we're in Gatlinburg, Tennessee at a motel.

[SPEAKER_05]: And we're like nine a.m.

We got a meat outside.

[SPEAKER_05]: It is me and my little brother.

[SPEAKER_05]: And we, my parents had a room next to us.

[SPEAKER_05]: And we meet out at the car at my dad walks out, clean, [SPEAKER_05]: He was all upper lip.

[SPEAKER_05]: It was like all I could see was upper lip.

[SPEAKER_05]: It was just like the most jarring thing.

[SPEAKER_04]: I didn't cry But it was just like I lost restart trading him differently.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, you know like you're just like you're my kind of my dad You're like the twin you want to know what's this hardening in me?

[SPEAKER_08]: Is that I shave the hair off of my lip and no one said a word.

[SPEAKER_08]: Wow.

[SPEAKER_08]: Not a word.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, like not.

[SPEAKER_08]: Oh, I was a little whisper of hair.

[SPEAKER_08]: It was a little weird deficiency.

[SPEAKER_08]: They call it like this did like I'm really kind of mad right now.

[SPEAKER_05]: We were your friends that we don't call out when you had this little wispy thing on your lips.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I was like, all right, you know, what's like really long.

[SPEAKER_05]: You know, I'm saying, like, I'm happy to be.

[SPEAKER_03]: I think that happened to my dad because my mom does not like facial hair and my dad cannot grow a facial hair which is one of the many reasons why I do think they're soul mates, but he can kind of grow some wispies and so when she was pregnant with me, she let him grow his facial hair out.

[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it was the thinnest no offense that saddest mustache I've ever seen on a man and I think my brother was like about a year and half old and I think he was expecting like after he shaved at that my brother would like not know who his dad is no reaction whatsoever absolutely no reaction because he looks exactly the same just with a little bit.

[SPEAKER_05]: of like that's you buddy, sorry man.

[SPEAKER_05]: Sorry, Derek.

[SPEAKER_04]: You and my dad, y'all can limit about it together.

[SPEAKER_08]: My friends is right.

[SPEAKER_04]: You know, I got a friend of mine.

[SPEAKER_04]: Who got a tattoo of a hairline?

[SPEAKER_04]: And I know that's a new thing that everyone's doing.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, you got a tattoo.

[SPEAKER_08]: I thought about I thought about doing it myself.

[SPEAKER_08]: No, I did just when you go to Turkey just get I thought about getting a unit, but actually like either going to Turkey with my uncle My uncle Is he going to turn up?

[SPEAKER_08]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_08]: Do you know what I probably shouldn't say that so I'm not going to show a picture of my uncle So, but I've uncle that It's going to Turkey as his a brand the turkey special.

[SPEAKER_08]: So, yeah, I love that.

[SPEAKER_08]: So we're not going to tell you which uncle it is very cool [SPEAKER_05]: Thanksgiving special.

[SPEAKER_05]: I know which one.

[SPEAKER_05]: Uh, I do think it's funny that now that everybody's joining us for video.

[SPEAKER_05]: We're just talking about our appearances now.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: Sorry.

[SPEAKER_05]: Well, Derek, your lip is different.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_05]: We have a great show coming up.

[SPEAKER_05]: We have no guests.

[SPEAKER_05]: We're still getting used to that.

[SPEAKER_05]: If you miss the guessing guess what we just released.

[SPEAKER_05]: we just released a special edition of the podcast.

[SPEAKER_05]: We called it the impact conversation series we're doing six episodes throughout the fall.

[SPEAKER_05]: The first episode just went up a few days ago with Jimmy Darts, the general viral generosity guy who got walks up to people in the laundromat, the grocery store and he's like, hey, can you spare 25 cents or are you [SPEAKER_05]: He helped me buy this like it and when somebody shows him kindness, even though if they're struggling or whatever, sacrificial kindness, he was like, I actually don't need it.

[SPEAKER_05]: I want to bless you and then it gets to know their story and then inevitably the person probably just lost their job or was struggling or couldn't make rent or their car broke down and they helped him anyway.

[SPEAKER_05]: And then he rallies his listeners or his followers and they will buy them a house or a car.

[SPEAKER_05]: creator for funds for other people on go fun me like he makes more than anyone which is awesome and so Jimmy darts so we've always been inspired by that he sounds like a bunch of guy right Jimmy darts he's the yeah like he knows everyone yeah he makes it he's 29 years old and then so Emily interviewed him and got to know a story he's been doing this since he was 10 [SPEAKER_05]: Because like what makes you do this, he tells the story in our conversation where when it's Christmas when he was 10 years old, his parents gave him $200 cash and he was so excited.

[SPEAKER_05]: It is Christmas from the story books, but his parents said you have to go give a hundred of this to somebody who needs it.

[SPEAKER_05]: And he said, I don't remember what I did with my hundred dollars, but I remember the person and the with that the act of giving and how that affected him and impacted the person.

[SPEAKER_05]: And he's like, I've been doing this my whole life with what I had, whether it's just a few bucks or I would go and volunteer, I would go and like do things I've been doing this.

[SPEAKER_05]: And he's like in the last five years, I just decided to start.

[SPEAKER_05]: encouraging other people to show acts of kindness.

[SPEAKER_05]: And so he said a lot of influencers, and I really respect this about him.

[SPEAKER_05]: I didn't know what he looked like for years.

[SPEAKER_05]: I had no clue.

[SPEAKER_05]: I knew his voice, but I did not know because he doesn't make it about him.

[SPEAKER_05]: He makes it about the person's story.

[SPEAKER_05]: It's [SPEAKER_05]: So now we're getting to know him a little bit more.

[SPEAKER_05]: You'll see him kind of, you know, like somebody else will be filming some of it.

[SPEAKER_05]: He always gets to permission.

[SPEAKER_05]: It's not exploitive.

[SPEAKER_05]: It's so moving.

[SPEAKER_05]: And I'm going this guy radiates a love and a kindness that is so special.

[SPEAKER_05]: And then you start to.

[SPEAKER_05]: here, he's talking about God loves you and whatever, and you're going, oh, I think this guy's a Christian.

[SPEAKER_05]: And so Emily reached out to him.

[SPEAKER_05]: If you listen to this 30 minute conversation we have with him, we just posted on this channel.

[SPEAKER_05]: This guy wouldn't stop talking about Jesus.

[SPEAKER_05]: And his entire thing is I just want to show people the love of God, the way God showed me on, you know, I love without any conditions.

[SPEAKER_05]: It's just like Bob did it off, right?

[SPEAKER_07]: Oh, my God.

[SPEAKER_07]: Jimmy.

[SPEAKER_04]: He's my hero.

[SPEAKER_04]: He's 20 years younger than me.

[SPEAKER_04]: He was my hero over here.

[SPEAKER_04]: Just man.

[SPEAKER_04]: You know what's funny?

[SPEAKER_04]: It's like when I think about a believer, I think about Christian, that's the type of person I think about.

[SPEAKER_04]: Right?

[SPEAKER_04]: The person that wants to serve other people.

[SPEAKER_04]: Never the person who's preaching or like making it.

[SPEAKER_04]: Like, I don't really think of pastors when sometimes when I think of a believer.

[SPEAKER_04]: I think of someone like him who has no one, like he would do it if there was cameras on or not.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's it.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's generous.

[SPEAKER_04]: I love divorce out of him.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, love the learning in that conversation.

[SPEAKER_05]: He's been doing it without cameras for 15 years.

[SPEAKER_05]: And then he just was like, maybe I can encourage people to just show each other kindness.

[SPEAKER_05]: That was his role.

[SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[SPEAKER_03]: Actually, he said that like when he had like art like he had already like helped someone out.

[SPEAKER_03]: And then as he was walking away, he like felt God prompted like, hey, you should go ask him if it's okay to like share his story online with people.

[SPEAKER_03]: And like so even that like just from the get go all of this was like to honor God and like to encourage people to show the love of God.

[SPEAKER_05]: And he was like, and what's cool is like, he was able to give that person $100 or $500.

[SPEAKER_05]: But if he shares the person's story with their permission, the community of people can give them.

[SPEAKER_05]: He'll go back to next day because he'll find somebody on the side of the road just kind of like trying to make ends meet or they're trying to sell something or whatever.

[SPEAKER_05]: It's like, and then he'll get to know their story and my son needs surgery and I'm just trying to whatever.

[SPEAKER_05]: and he'll just share the story and he'll go back the next day and he's like the community my friends online have raised $180,000 for your family for your son to get that surgery and like it's just like it's mind blowing stuff.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's just humanized as people.

[SPEAKER_04]: And you know, I think we drive bipy.

[SPEAKER_04]: I think the conversation is like we drive bipy people and we're like, this guy's a bum.

[SPEAKER_04]: And then this guy walks up and he literally is the manifestation of Jesus, like humanizing people, not generalizing like, hey, he's a, you know, I heard a quote the other day where it's at 60% of homelessness in California is foster children, like that just got edged out of the system.

[SPEAKER_04]: So like when you humanize people, that really does change a lot of how we think about.

[SPEAKER_04]: almost miss a people in need.

[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, literally the Bible is all about helping people in need.

[SPEAKER_04]: And that in our culture right now is like, don't do that.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's like down upon, you know?

[SPEAKER_03]: It's a crazy even to add onto that point that like he does help people, yes, who are homeless.

[SPEAKER_03]: He also just goes up to people who like are in the grocery store and just [SPEAKER_03]: or the longer one or whatever and like because I think about this is to stick that it's like I think like a majority of Americans are only like a few paychecks away from being honest like we all yeah it's like we are all pretty much living paycheck to paycheck just trying to make it so it's like you know and like something that he and I talked about was a lot of us are in need but we don't necessarily want to ask for it because we think [SPEAKER_03]: someone's got to worse than I do.

[SPEAKER_03]: And so when we can have just a little like we we want help, but we don't want to ask for it because we don't think we need it.

[SPEAKER_03]: And so him getting to meet people and like it just address a need, maybe not like maybe more of a want than I need, but still in need.

[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know like it just I love like I love it.

[SPEAKER_05]: And the, and the little twist that he does that I love so much is that he acts like he needs help and so he'll go up to somebody that I think he could just tell maybe is is right on that line that you're talking about or they're struggling or something they're having a rough day and he'll go up to them and say, [SPEAKER_05]: a typical 29 year old white kid you know I mean like like he doesn't look like he's struggling you know I mean but he'll go up and ask do you mind could you give me a dollar could you give me 50 cents so I could do XYZ and the person will sacrifice like give them yeah I can and when they when they show him that's official kindness he goes actually I wanted to bless you I was just looking for somebody who would show me kindness and and so what I love is [SPEAKER_05]: But they give and they show kindness to Jimmy first and then he's able to like abundantly bless them over an over above that.

[SPEAKER_05]: And so it's so beautiful.

[SPEAKER_05]: And it isn't exploitive at all.

[SPEAKER_05]: It's really beautiful.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he's almost like you don't have to give 500 dollars.

[SPEAKER_03]: If you can, that's great.

[SPEAKER_03]: But like maybe it is just handing a water bottle to someone.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, who looks thirsty like up there lunch and McDonald's, they're the person by that kind of thing like that's the kind of like cost like kindness is compounding and we need to just.

[SPEAKER_03]: anymore.

[SPEAKER_04]: I would love to shoot like a video where you walk up to somebody and you're like, hey, can I have this?

[SPEAKER_04]: And they're like, no.

[SPEAKER_04]: And then you get a person behind them.

[SPEAKER_04]: And then they're like, hey, can I?

[SPEAKER_04]: And he's like, yeah, and you're like, here's 100,000, and the person who said, no.

[SPEAKER_00]: Wait a second.

[SPEAKER_04]: Wait a second.

[SPEAKER_04]: Wait a second.

[SPEAKER_04]: Like, I would love to do like a video like like the relevant on this great podcast.

[SPEAKER_04]: You're me.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's like, hey, that's why it's Jimmy.

[SPEAKER_03]: You want to do this?

[SPEAKER_03]: It's not.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: I just want to, I want to just [SPEAKER_04]: The guy I know the person who's getting the dollar or gives me the dollar.

[SPEAKER_04]: I know that person You want to give it to all the journalists.

[SPEAKER_04]: I love that.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, hey, sorry.

[SPEAKER_04]: Enjoy this.

[SPEAKER_08]: Enjoy this.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, my boy Can you put it for you on a chain of any role into cash?

[SPEAKER_04]: Enjoy this.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, my boy.

[SPEAKER_04]: Shame people into being generous.

[SPEAKER_08]: That's how I that's how that's the Marty West That's that's that is the American way right there.

[SPEAKER_04]: We're gonna say you do the right here's $10,000 in the guy's like looking behind him like wait [SPEAKER_05]: Uh, love it.

[SPEAKER_05]: All right.

[SPEAKER_05]: Well, we have, okay.

[SPEAKER_05]: So the new format of the show is we got relevant buzz coming up.

[SPEAKER_05]: Then we got slices and at the end of the show, we have asked the cast.

[SPEAKER_05]: So stay tuned right after this quick break.

[SPEAKER_05]: We've got relevant buzz.

[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_05]: It's time for [SPEAKER_05]: Tell us what's happening at the intersection of faith and culture this week, Emily?

[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, first thing I would like to do is just pull up an image of someone for the listeners at home, just imagine a very white man, if you will.

[SPEAKER_03]: Imagine a very white man.

[SPEAKER_03]: This is almost like an AI, if you talk to the AI, give me a white guy.

[SPEAKER_03]: A white man, that's what's coming up.

[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, so we're looking at this man.

[SPEAKER_03]: If you had to guess this man is going to be playing a real life historical figure, who do you guys think he's playing?

[SPEAKER_03]: uh...

some european set of lord of a five-year-old yeah i don't pay switch-al-in the guy who found switch-al-in all-great options unfortunately melgibson doesn't seem to have the same vision as y'all because this is who he has cast as jesus in the upcoming resurrection of the christ there you go jemikovie's all is out he has what why so why did why did jim leave [SPEAKER_05]: because he's eighty three years old, they can't play eight of it.

[SPEAKER_05]: It's been so expensive.

[SPEAKER_05]: Fifty seven.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, the reason he was fifty seven.

[SPEAKER_03]: They were going to have to digitally deage him, which we've made jokes about for a very long time.

[SPEAKER_03]: So I'd like to think we played a part in the recasting world.

[SPEAKER_03]: But they decided it was going to be.

[SPEAKER_03]: Shit.

[SPEAKER_03]: we shamed him out of the roll.

[SPEAKER_03]: No, yeah, I was going to be too expensive to digitally de-age and so they decided they would just recast somebody to finish act 32.

[SPEAKER_08]: He's finished.

[SPEAKER_08]: Oh, okay.

[SPEAKER_08]: I mean, most, this is going to be frustrating for some of y'all.

[SPEAKER_08]: Well, most white people, they Jesus is white.

[SPEAKER_03]: And like so, that doesn't mean it's just shocking because in a world like, I mean, we have the chosen now where like, [SPEAKER_05]: we have like we have a show that is very loved the casting has gotten better in the last 10 years of biblical stuff at least they have all of skin whether they're also say no hate or but the chosen is is if you got the grass get a Puerto Rican got a little closer no they're they're casting people that are either latin or middle eastern i mean they really yeah rock with it i rock with it i said i'm just like [SPEAKER_08]: I think Mel Gibson, we've heard what Mel Gibson thinks.

[SPEAKER_08]: I mean, like, that's the point I'm trying to get to is like, we kind of heard, like, Mel, this is not lead to weapon mail.

[SPEAKER_03]: I think I'm just surprised that like studios at the step and say, like, hey, this is just not going to work anymore.

[SPEAKER_03]: This was funny.

[SPEAKER_05]: I think he's finding the whole thing.

[SPEAKER_05]: This is.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_05]: That's the whole thing.

[SPEAKER_08]: This is you don't forget they're all speaking English in the film, so you know, this is the Manisfier Jesus movie Like that's what this is is the Manisfier Jesus movie.

[SPEAKER_04]: I love I love Hollywood when they were like, hey, how this is how Hollywood works So like, hey, these guys are from these guys are Romans So they're gonna talk with a British accent that makes that like [SPEAKER_04]: That's Hollywood.

[SPEAKER_04]: So this is one of those things where no matter what, like the probably Mary is going to come out and she's going to be have an Irish accent like that's just well, we know the Mary is too Mary got recast as well, right, Mary.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, Monica Belichy also was not going to be digitally de-aged and so they have a new actress name.

[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know how to pronounce Mary Ella.

[SPEAKER_03]: some of these are named.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: So, um, but she's an unknown actress.

[SPEAKER_03]: And so, but she at least looks Italian.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'll give her that.

[SPEAKER_05]: We posted this on Instagram and the comments were fairly brutal that that, uh, they de-cast a white guy to get an even wider guy to play the Middle East turn, you know, the Jewish carpenter role.

[SPEAKER_05]: Um, but somebody gets somebody said, Mel Gibson read the [SPEAKER_05]: That's the finish guy.

[SPEAKER_05]: They're roasting them in our comments.

[SPEAKER_05]: The real audience is having fun with that.

[SPEAKER_03]: Everyone's upset about this.

[SPEAKER_03]: I will say we also had a Jim Kaveezle fan in our comments.

[SPEAKER_03]: It was really upset about it.

[SPEAKER_05]: Really upset Kaveezle fan.

[SPEAKER_03]: They didn't count.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_05]: He count name was Losers.

[SPEAKER_05]: James Kaveezle fan girl.

[SPEAKER_05]: James Koviesel fan girl was calling relevant out for spreading fake news because we didn't talk to Mel Gibson directly.

[SPEAKER_05]: We were reporting, you know, variety and all the trade reports that had sourced it.

[SPEAKER_05]: And so we were spreading fake news and I replied as relevant.

[SPEAKER_05]: I go, just because this news you don't like doesn't mean it's fake, you know, like this array.

[SPEAKER_05]: But and she goes shit and then she was like, yeah, well, [SPEAKER_05]: you know, you're just causing confusion.

[SPEAKER_05]: And I have confirmed that is unfortunately true.

[SPEAKER_05]: And I go, oh, great.

[SPEAKER_05]: So you talked about.

[SPEAKER_05]: I literally said that to her.

[SPEAKER_05]: And then she deleted her comment when it wakes up.

[SPEAKER_05]: And of course she did.

[SPEAKER_05]: My favorite thing to do is as relevant callouts, stupidity in our comments, and then the person, sometimes they double down, but a lot of times I'll just delete their comment and go away.

[SPEAKER_05]: That's my fault.

[SPEAKER_05]: Also, anyway.

[SPEAKER_04]: What's Jim could be so bin in besides the Jesus movie?

[SPEAKER_04]: A lot of the last passion of Chris.

[SPEAKER_04]: Let's just, you know, there's stuff.

[SPEAKER_03]: I needed a movie to sound a freedom.

[SPEAKER_03]: That was big like two years ago.

[SPEAKER_03]: OK, cool, yeah, yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: It was like a Christian movie.

[SPEAKER_04]: OK, that is pretty much all I can do.

[SPEAKER_04]: I always, actually, there's, they have billboards out here in California, but there's like a brand name for names of Shemoot angel.

[SPEAKER_03]: Angel, Angel, Angel, Angel, Angel, Angel, Angel, Angel, Angel, Angel, Angel, Angel, Angel, Angel, Angel, Angel, Angel, Angel, Angel, Angel, Angel, Angel, Angel, Angel, Angel, Angel, Angel, Angel, Angel, Angel, Angel, Angel, Angel, Angel, Angel, Angel, Angel, Angel, Angel, Angel, Angel, Angel, Angel, Angel, Angel, Angel, Angel, Angel, Angel, Angel, Angel, Angel, Angel, Angel, Angel, Angel, Angel, Angel, Angel, Angel, Angel, Angel, Angel, Angel, Angel, Angel, Angel, Angel, Angel, Angel, Angel, Angel, Angel, Angel, Angel, Angel, Angel, Angel, Angel, Angel, Angel, Angel, Angel, Angel, Angel, Angel, Angel, Angel, Angel, Angel, Angel, Angel, Angel, Angel [SPEAKER_03]: Well, listen, it's not just a theory nor you have receipts now to back up what you've been saying.

[SPEAKER_05]: They literally have found that half of the content on the internet is AI generated content.

[SPEAKER_05]: And this is one and two years.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, two years.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: This is according to research from an SEO firm called graphite, they found that 52% of newly published articles on the internet as of May 2025 have been generated by AI.

[SPEAKER_08]: Crazy.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, I'm going to be on the honest.

[SPEAKER_08]: So [SPEAKER_08]: when Sora to drop like the internet already like AI was already like insanity like it was crazy i even messed around with y'all know me i'm a tech guy i messed around with it Sora to is like high level graphics with very minimal effort i followed this one person [SPEAKER_08]: And I'd kid you not.

[SPEAKER_08]: They dropped like 11 to 12 back to bat sore wheels in a day.

[SPEAKER_08]: And I just was like, shoot me.

[SPEAKER_08]: Like, and it's like, so in my mind, if that's one person, I just can only imagine the influx of, because source unlimited and it's free, so like I could just imagine how many like right now, like it's just going to get worse.

[SPEAKER_08]: That's what I'm saying.

[SPEAKER_05]: Well, now source, it's sort of three just came out.

[SPEAKER_05]: and they added the ability to do celebrity deep figs.

[SPEAKER_05]: So like Jake Paul is a investor in Sora and he gave his name image and likeness to them.

[SPEAKER_05]: And that's why about two weeks ago, there was like all these like Jake Paul videos going around him.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_05]: Him as a celebrity pastor and him as a whatever.

[SPEAKER_05]: It was because he's involved with sort of three.

[SPEAKER_05]: The sort of three stuff is mind numbing.

[SPEAKER_05]: But both meta, so IG and Facebook and chatGbT have both launched social media, [SPEAKER_05]: apps that are 100% AI content, and I don't understand what the appeal of that is.

[SPEAKER_05]: Like why I would want to watch a stream of fake clip beads stuff.

[SPEAKER_05]: I don't get it, but I saw it.

[SPEAKER_04]: I saw the dirty talk.

[SPEAKER_04]: Remember in the 2020, like when we, there was a guy who drank cranberry juice, and he's skateboard, he's drinking it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: So I was trying to find it here.

[SPEAKER_04]: I saw a lady [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah my rules were healing.

[SPEAKER_04]: Um, I saw a psychiatrist or psychologist whatever she was saying that This is the problem with AI like we see this guy and we're like, this is a very cool scene like it makes sense is beautiful But if you see this in AI, you're just gonna be like who cares, but when you humanize something You know like the difference of that.

[SPEAKER_04]: She has a whole study about you know like the idea of [SPEAKER_04]: being human is enough to look at versus AI.

[SPEAKER_04]: We're like, oh, cares.

[SPEAKER_04]: It doesn't really match.

[SPEAKER_04]: There's no, like same thing with movies.

[SPEAKER_04]: Like are you going to be invested in these movies that really have no characters or all computer?

[SPEAKER_04]: There's nothing there, you know?

[SPEAKER_04]: And it's a story that matters.

[SPEAKER_04]: And so she was talking about the difference of like AI, our brains just don't care about it.

[SPEAKER_04]: We just overlook at a lot.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's funny to say, and then it's like you move on.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's not real.

[SPEAKER_05]: The weird thing we're noticing too is that from just AI generated a content taking up half the web.

[SPEAKER_05]: I'm noticing because I'm in our comments all the time.

[SPEAKER_05]: I'm noticing AI social media accounts.

[SPEAKER_05]: But I'm not so crazy.

[SPEAKER_05]: No, not just like, over on threads and stuff, it's like insane.

[SPEAKER_05]: But I'm talking about on relevant posts.

[SPEAKER_05]: I will see, no, IG does a good job of either hiding it or pushing it at the bottom.

[SPEAKER_05]: But like there will be three or four comments that are saying [SPEAKER_05]: and it's just like, what is the point of this?

[SPEAKER_05]: Why is this bought posting on our thing?

[SPEAKER_05]: It makes no sense.

[SPEAKER_04]: I don't understand the nutrition rappers with those bots under it.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: Well, it's hard because I know, I mean, I've heard like people would buy bots to get like more engagement or whatever on their posts.

[SPEAKER_03]: And to an extent, I get that.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you want to make you want to look like that.

[SPEAKER_05]: Like social proof like a loop like a exploding because I bought all this stuff and happens in music.

[SPEAKER_05]: They buy listens all the time.

[SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but like I will say definitively relevant.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's not buying that and so I don't understand why these bots.

[SPEAKER_07]: Our commenting on stuff because yeah, why are they going rogue and coming over to our comments?

[SPEAKER_07]: I have a conspiracy theory.

[SPEAKER_07]: Jimmy, he's gone.

[SPEAKER_07]: I have a conspiracy theory.

[SPEAKER_05]: The gym, commisal fan was up on.

[SPEAKER_07]: That's probably a bond.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_05]: Demisal bond.

[SPEAKER_07]: Because that doesn't exist.

[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I think it was actually a joke.

[SPEAKER_03]: I thought it was Jim.

[SPEAKER_03]: Commisal.

[SPEAKER_08]: The real version of us.

[SPEAKER_08]: So let's take about this, like Ben with on a social platform is finite.

[SPEAKER_08]: It's not unlimited.

[SPEAKER_08]: It's just unlimited to us.

[SPEAKER_08]: But it is finite because it's based in servers.

[SPEAKER_08]: and a lot of these social media platforms they make money off of advertising and what you're paying for with advertising is supply and demand so in my mind, if I was a social media platform [SPEAKER_08]: What if I just allow the certain amount of bots to take up space, create a whole bunch of different content to show page views, right, page views, all that has been with, right?

[SPEAKER_08]: And then now, the person that's buying is advertising like they're paying a higher premium because there's all of this noise and junk that's on the platforms.

[SPEAKER_05]: So you're paying for like if half of the exposure, quote, unquote, is AI or bought or generated is not real humans.

[SPEAKER_05]: So you're saying, I pay $10,000 for that ad package, but only half of the people who saw the app package were human.

[SPEAKER_08]: I could drive the price up of advertising by having just this platform that's littered with.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, I agree with you.

[SPEAKER_05]: It's a short term.

[SPEAKER_05]: It's a short term play though because advertisers will look at the ROI on the other side of it and go.

[SPEAKER_05]: We're not getting the click to rates when I get the purchases because the bots aren't going to buy right so then they're just going to take their money off of social media and find another way to advertise but that's the question what else do you put your money into because [SPEAKER_08]: Right, but I'm saying the average person is like television.

[SPEAKER_08]: They're not by television as right.

[SPEAKER_08]: They're not buying a lot of radio ads You know what I mean?

[SPEAKER_08]: I honestly you just bought up a point a podcast ad at least you know Okay, they talk about the very thing that I care about I know that it's a real person talking with real people listening, right?

[SPEAKER_08]: That's different, but you know [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know like one of five league podcasting is a good because it's direct insertion plays so for us back in the day We've been doing this 20 years back in the day you would just like put an add in an episode and that episode could explode or it could have no Listens the person paid the same rate regardless but now we do dynamic insertions So like there's an add spot just like YouTube does you put a spot in your podcast and there's a play because a real human got to 30 minutes in and heard that And that there's a real [SPEAKER_05]: interaction and so it's a guaranteed interaction with a real listener.

[SPEAKER_05]: So I agree that podcasting in YouTube, I would say probably two is a good advertising option.

[SPEAKER_05]: If social media gets too cluttered with this stuff, you know, so if you want to learn more of it, mediakit.com, you can get our latest raise packages.

[SPEAKER_03]: That's a good plug like the story like the story moving on to the very last thing I do want to talk about Honestly, it's mostly for me, but it is a good message for everyone to hear.

[SPEAKER_03]: Myly Cyrus was recently interviewed on CBS Sunday morning And she opened up actually about the impact that sobriety has had in her life and I have never really heard anyone talk about the benefits of sobriety like the way she had so I just want to play this clip so you guys can hear what she said [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I like showing up 100% 100% of the time.

[SPEAKER_00]: I love that if anything comes in an opportunity, I can say yes, knowing that I'm going to be ready.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't have to get ready.

[SPEAKER_00]: The hardest part about balancing any sort of substance use or drinking when you want to be [SPEAKER_00]: do what I do is you're going okay well now I have to get sober for this thing because I want to show up my best and now I get a trim out so much of the preparation of getting yourself into the the right placement.

[SPEAKER_00]: Physically I'm just always ready.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's my favorite part about sobriety is being 100% 100% of the time.

[SPEAKER_03]: How?

[SPEAKER_03]: That's good for her.

[SPEAKER_03]: That's cool.

[SPEAKER_05]: And I assume you guys have not followed her life as closely as I have, but I know the wrecking ball era MTV Voting musical words, and that's about it.

[SPEAKER_08]: So I saw following, I saw Karen about what she was doing after she used hip hop to get popular and then said hip hop stuff.

[SPEAKER_08]: And that sounds pretty much less like I couldn't care less, but I'm glad that a human is getting sober.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and that's about that's about argument.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, around that was not sober in the era that you're talking about Derek.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so yeah, she was definitely not like I mean, I can recall specific like performances and interviews where I remember watching her thinking, oh, you're definitely on something right now.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like it was very obvious and so like to see her talk about not only getting sober, but also just how that's changed your mind.

[SPEAKER_03]: So good reminder that Maybe we should consider sobriety.

[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm saying [SPEAKER_08]: I like it.

[SPEAKER_05]: I like it.

[SPEAKER_05]: There you go.

[SPEAKER_05]: All right.

[SPEAKER_05]: Well, that'll do for relevant relevant buzz.

[SPEAKER_05]: Make sure to check out those stories and a lot more at the intersection of faith and culture over relevant magazine dot com and on our socials.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'll take a bite.

[SPEAKER_03]: Follow.

[SPEAKER_04]: We're talking to you, Jim Koviesel, fan, God's girl.

[SPEAKER_04]: Fing, early nine.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: God's fan.

[SPEAKER_03]: I think it was the April 4th.

[SPEAKER_03]: April 4th.

[SPEAKER_05]: It wasn't Jim.

[SPEAKER_05]: It was James Koviesel.

[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, it was.

[SPEAKER_03]: It was James Koviesel.

[SPEAKER_03]: That's why I was like this has to be the real Jim Koviesel.

[SPEAKER_05]: She's born a April, so like the four makes sense.

[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_05]: She's the fourth, but that they signed up for.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_05]: All right, stay tuned after this quick break.

[SPEAKER_05]: It'll be slices.

[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, it's time for All right, let's see, where do we start?

[SPEAKER_05]: What do you have Derek?

[SPEAKER_08]: I'm asking how much do you think a ticket of going 17 miles per hour is worth?

[SPEAKER_08]: just just in June.

[SPEAKER_08]: 17 over, over 70, Moss power over to speed limit, so to speak.

[SPEAKER_08]: How much do you think that's where?

[SPEAKER_03]: That's a lot of personal experience.

[SPEAKER_03]: But I think it's like 120 in Texas.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's in certain parts of Texas.

[SPEAKER_05]: What's the biggest ticket y'all have ever gotten?

[SPEAKER_07]: Not to deal with all your things.

[SPEAKER_07]: I got a $300 ticket in Virginia.

[SPEAKER_04]: 116, Moss power in the 70.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, my.

[SPEAKER_04]: Why, okay, how are you going all the way in at night.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I was going further.

[SPEAKER_03]: You should have got the ticket.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm telling you that.

[SPEAKER_04]: I got it and he was like, you're lucky.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm not even taking your license right now.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I remember I've got one of these thing.

[SPEAKER_04]: God.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I think he saw like a Bible in the passenger seat and he was like, if you could read me Psalms 91.

[SPEAKER_04]: I will because I just said came back and church like just because it so I like I write it and then he's like All right, he's still gave me a ticket, but it wasn't like how much was it?

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm making it.

[SPEAKER_04]: No, it was like 500.

[SPEAKER_04]: It was like it was like it was bad.

[SPEAKER_04]: It was really really bad.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and I had well I went to like ticket clinic and I handled it all of some [SPEAKER_05]: Marty you and I have had the same life because I was 17 and I my parents were out of town and my dad had just got a number of satis and he left the keys at the house.

[SPEAKER_05]: And so I was like, let's see what this Mercedes is going to do.

[SPEAKER_05]: So I drove it to you and after youth group, brand number of satis, new car smell, who wants to ride a burger king with me because we went to working after youth group.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_05]: And so we're going down this stretcher road that goes right by my neighborhood, actually.

[SPEAKER_05]: And it's a two lane road, 45.

[SPEAKER_05]: And I was just curious what this Mercedes [SPEAKER_05]: I don't believe it.

[SPEAKER_05]: Let's see, and I flew past my neighborhood where a cop was parked at my neighborhood.

[SPEAKER_05]: Anyway, it took about two miles from the catch up to me down at the red light pulls me over.

[SPEAKER_05]: I was going.

[SPEAKER_05]: He clocked me going 145.

[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, yeah.

[SPEAKER_05]: We had just left the youth group.

[SPEAKER_05]: I literally, I was playing the far side.

[SPEAKER_05]: And the album and the please don't pull me over Mr.

[SPEAKER_05]: Officer song was on.

[SPEAKER_05]: And so I turned on worship music.

[SPEAKER_05]: I turned on the Christian station and all the good Christian kids were like, you know, I'm get out of the car and like whatever he said Florida law is if you're going double the speed limit.

[SPEAKER_05]: I have to arrest you.

[SPEAKER_05]: My parents were out of town.

[SPEAKER_05]: I was 17.

[SPEAKER_05]: And I told him that and I wasn't lying and I was like, we just gave him a turn to move.

[SPEAKER_05]: And he had mercy on me.

[SPEAKER_05]: And I was just like sucked up in the worship.

[SPEAKER_05]: He gave me a ticket for going 89 and a 45.

[SPEAKER_05]: So I wasn't double, right?

[SPEAKER_05]: It was $650.

[SPEAKER_05]: The next day my mom calls house everything.

[SPEAKER_05]: I said, I got a ticket last night.

[SPEAKER_05]: She goes, she's an asking me to do.

[SPEAKER_05]: You're going to pay it.

[SPEAKER_05]: And I was like, yes, ma'am.

[SPEAKER_05]: And it never came up again.

[SPEAKER_05]: I was like, oh, it's a traffic school.

[SPEAKER_05]: And I worked my butt off and I paid off that ticket.

[SPEAKER_05]: They have to this day they don't listen spot guests to his day.

[SPEAKER_05]: They have no idea that that happened so that's so good See I did not get that like I've been pulled over and you I think one time It wasn't an excuse there are so mad right now He's like that is white privilege Just was like just as a black man up to get him a stuff like my good is not lucky.

[SPEAKER_03]: I've had three tickets I should have had more but [SPEAKER_03]: I did get pulled over one time speeding on my way back from love it was with my brother and sister and it was on father's day and we got pulled over and absolutely I was speeding and I try to use the excuse of like what's father's day I'm trying to get home to see my dad whatever which was true but like not entirely true and he did immediately goes well I think he'd rather have you alive than dead.

[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, so I [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, you should have done for you passed away.

[SPEAKER_03]: Need all the no, the drive from Lubbock to Dallas.

[SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely nothing.

[SPEAKER_03]: It was me and the cop on the road the whole time.

[SPEAKER_03]: No one else was there.

[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm just not going to hit anything.

[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, still there.

[SPEAKER_08]: My wife was literally driving.

[SPEAKER_08]: a person cut her off as she swore to avoid the person I was cutting her off ran into an embankment of dirt on the side of the road broker back.

[SPEAKER_08]: The guy was mad.

[SPEAKER_08]: He was upset that he, he was like, I'm sorry.

[SPEAKER_08]: I caused this.

[SPEAKER_08]: It was all that in the police and Lebanon to see, didn't give that guy anything and gave my wife a ticket for hitting dirt.

[SPEAKER_08]: Like it's just like, so I'm saying, like, that's crazy.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, that's crazy.

[SPEAKER_08]: Oh, it's not going to get the, but anyway, we don't go to the Switzerland because it could be way worse because it's Switzerland in, uh, I guess, Vaud Canton tickets are based on your income.

[SPEAKER_08]: And this guy was like 17 miles per hour.

[SPEAKER_08]: And he's wanted to richest men in, uh, friends.

[SPEAKER_05]: Oh my goodness.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh my goodness.

[SPEAKER_04]: Pick it up.

[SPEAKER_04]: Pick it up.

[SPEAKER_04]: If you haven't seen Miles per hour.

[SPEAKER_04]: Tickie clinic is two on your box, brother.

[SPEAKER_04]: You don't have to.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_04]: That is what you do.

[SPEAKER_03]: You know what?

[SPEAKER_03]: South America.

[SPEAKER_03]: South America.

[SPEAKER_08]: I'll give a little system.

[SPEAKER_08]: I put a little work this time because it's just like.

[SPEAKER_08]: hundreds and listen that's not even the craziest one the highest one they've had so far in 2010 a millionaire Ferrari driver got a ticket equal to about two hundred and ninety thousand that I mean so i'm never driving in ten minutes I guess so if you're a swiss [SPEAKER_08]: and you got money.

[SPEAKER_05]: They're all rich over there.

[SPEAKER_05]: They're some to drop the speed limit.

[SPEAKER_05]: That's all right.

[SPEAKER_05]: We're driving a beater because you know, it's not to look in for the flashy cars.

[SPEAKER_08]: You know, well, so this wasn't even this wasn't even a cup.

[SPEAKER_08]: It was like the automatic like one of the automatic lights.

[SPEAKER_08]: It's like the automatic light, so it's like big brother and so they got them and then they're like, oh, this guy is lit like he's like one of the richest people in France So they're like, yeah, give what we need ninety ninety thousand Swiss francs which equals to about a hundred it's $10,000 That's insane, so we need 17 miles per hour over [SPEAKER_05]: When you first asked about a ticket, I thought you were going to bring the item that happened.

[SPEAKER_05]: I think it was in Phoenix this week or Scott Stale or somewhere over there.

[SPEAKER_05]: We're a waymo when those waymo cars.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_05]: You got that one?

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I got that one.

[SPEAKER_05]: I won't take your thunder.

[SPEAKER_05]: You can tell the story.

[SPEAKER_05]: Wait, wait, wait.

[SPEAKER_05]: It's a traffic day.

[SPEAKER_05]: A traffic day.

[SPEAKER_04]: Marty tells the story.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, actually, before I even jump into this news article about a...

[SPEAKER_04]: Waymo car, which is essentially a car that has no driver.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's a computer.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's almost like the Tesla system weren't.

[SPEAKER_04]: I just saw one in my neighborhood.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: So they called the waymo.

[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: It drives itself self-driving car.

[SPEAKER_04]: So I was in Vegas.

[SPEAKER_04]: earlier this year at a show at the mgm grand and we get one of these cool, you know, way mode, like they're they're leading in front of the hotel.

[SPEAKER_04]: So it's like, well, let's go.

[SPEAKER_04]: So me and my buddy, Al, we jump in the car and as we're about to make a right, you know, it's making a right waiting for traffic.

[SPEAKER_04]: So one runs into us, you know, so one runs into us.

[SPEAKER_04]: So the car stops, it's like flashing red, like it goes into like, you know, emergency mode, [SPEAKER_04]: And so I just got out of the car and then called an Uber in the left.

[SPEAKER_04]: Like I just left the scene of the crime, the whole thing.

[SPEAKER_04]: But that didn't happen.

[SPEAKER_04]: It was a love tap.

[SPEAKER_04]: It was a love tap that guy hit us.

[SPEAKER_04]: We were like, hit the driver's door and we just waited for like 10 minutes.

[SPEAKER_04]: No, no, please came.

[SPEAKER_04]: So we're like 15 minutes, whatever.

[SPEAKER_04]: And we're right in front of our hotel.

[SPEAKER_04]: So I was like, I'm saying, call an Uber.

[SPEAKER_04]: We jumped in, but that did happen to me and I always wondered.

[SPEAKER_04]: Who's responsible, right?

[SPEAKER_04]: So here's the story right now.

[SPEAKER_04]: In Northern California, a driverless Waymo taxi was pulled over by the police by making an illegal U-turn, right?

[SPEAKER_04]: Please officer, pull them over.

[SPEAKER_04]: You know, where's the guy?

[SPEAKER_04]: He's not even in the car.

[SPEAKER_04]: So a lot of the conversation right now is what happens when a self-driving car breaks the law.

[SPEAKER_04]: I just I'm one of those guys at night to where I love to watch YouTube like cops arresting and teasing people.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, I love the saw.

[SPEAKER_04]: You can't move me on the sovereigns.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm traveling.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm traveling.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm passenger.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm traveling.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm traveling.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: I don't have this relationship.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's travel's more.

[SPEAKER_06]: It's not in will.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: So the funny part about that is that actually on the video is watching the gentleman was like the GPS told me to make a left here and the officer was like, it doesn't matter.

[SPEAKER_04]: The science matter.

[SPEAKER_04]: So it's a funny thought to think like, hey, you know, [SPEAKER_05]: you got a net, you can't really blame electronics for getting a ticket, but well there's been a certain out that with that story, they couldn't take it the the car because they can't take it a robot.

[SPEAKER_05]: That's what I read.

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, yeah, that's well, you know, the issue right now is that, um, [SPEAKER_04]: They're trying to figure out who they're working with the police department to give all the data to show like, hey, this is why it didn't illegal you turn, but they don't know still who to hold responsible responsible for the eye behind the wheel, so.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, experts are saying right now in the case that there is major legal and regulatory gaps.

[SPEAKER_04]: Most traffic laws still assume a human isn't control.

[SPEAKER_04]: And for now, this mark was the first known instance where an auto autonomous vehicle is committing a tickerable offense.

[SPEAKER_04]: So what I would say is the next time you get a ticket.

[SPEAKER_04]: jump in the back seat and say it's a way mo car and you might be able to get away with it.

[SPEAKER_03]: I have the first ever Nissan rogue way.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, driving.

[SPEAKER_03]: I got it.

[SPEAKER_04]: The first ultima 98 way mo.

[SPEAKER_08]: So shouldn't it be all 10 they hold way mo the company who created the AI responsible.

[SPEAKER_08]: like why can't they hold them?

[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I think you were saying like they they like they provided the information of like here's what we've taken long.

[SPEAKER_05]: This is just right.

[SPEAKER_05]: Emily, we only have a few minutes, but what's your size?

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I saw this video going around this week.

[SPEAKER_03]: I've seen a lot of people actually share it.

[SPEAKER_03]: I know Forest Frank was one of them, but given it's Halloween thought it might be interesting to bring up this [SPEAKER_05]: This comes out on Tuesday.

[SPEAKER_05]: So it's the following month next week.

[SPEAKER_05]: So yeah, yeah.

[SPEAKER_05]: So when this is out.

[SPEAKER_05]: It's next week.

[SPEAKER_05]: Next Friday.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, Halloween.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_05]: So people are planning their last minute costumes this week.

[SPEAKER_05]: It's what you're saying.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: But he so a lot of people have shared this video.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's between a former satanic pastor and the podcast.

[SPEAKER_03]: This discussing should Christian celebrate Halloween and it's a interesting perspective.

[SPEAKER_01]: The truth is one Halloween.

[SPEAKER_01]: Halloween is the highest day on the satanic calendar.

[SPEAKER_01]: It is also the night of the year where there is the most human sacrifice on the whole planet.

[SPEAKER_01]: If we look at it in a next call at the popular culture aspect first, [SPEAKER_01]: There are many people think Halloween is about candy and it's about dress up and but they don't question the meaning behind us in a neighborhood or an area.

[SPEAKER_01]: These houses, these homes that celebrate Halloween, that whole perimeter.

[SPEAKER_01]: It becomes one big satanic ritual for that whole neighborhood.

[SPEAKER_01]: You're saying my neighborhood right now is cooked like what what are you saying there?

[SPEAKER_01]: Whether there's a Christian or non-Christian that has open doors, that moves or lifts in a neighborhood like that will be affected.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I'm saying.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so what do we do with Christians?

[SPEAKER_01]: Firstly, we make sure that we are in righteous standing with God that we do not have any hidden sin or open doors in our lives.

[SPEAKER_01]: That we are in a righteous covenant with him.

[SPEAKER_01]: So if we can get day, that is a very good place to start.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then it is about praying, like being in serious prey, that people who celebrate Halloween, whether I speak in being a sightiness or a atheist, or someone having fun, that whilst like doing that, that they will actually have a true encounter with Christ.

[SPEAKER_04]: I think you only want to know what I think.

[SPEAKER_04]: I think that does all these pretty good.

[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_04]: Number one.

[SPEAKER_04]: As somebody who enjoys Halloween, it's number one.

[SPEAKER_04]: I remember.

[SPEAKER_04]: Even I feel like I've even heard a West Huff say this where he talks about Halloween as you know there was like a saint involved and it was not demonic and it really was like a traditional situation overseas I forgot which country it's from that it wasn't demonic and then you know you hear a guy like this tell you it is demonic but [SPEAKER_04]: Like what I'm still confused about like what demonic is and like how this guy is trying to tell us that for if you have Halloween in your neighborhood your whole like how why are we going back to satanic panic number one this fear driven theology to me is so absolutely insane like we serve a god who.

[SPEAKER_04]: does not abide by the devil's scare tactics and doesn't and that's nothing for him, you know, and I think that that's the that's the spirit that we carry and not so to think that there are some mysterious force that no one even knows about it's not script like there's no scripture in it.

[SPEAKER_04]: There's this guy it almost reminds me of like the story in the Bible where the guys were cutting themselves to get their God to work and nothing happened.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's the way I think about these people.

[SPEAKER_04]: They they might think it's a sacrificial night.

[SPEAKER_04]: But it just means nothing comparison to the glory of God.

[SPEAKER_04]: And so when, in my opinion, I think separating Halloween and doing the trunk Halloween, like that is the worst thing we could do as believers, like we have an open invitation for people to come in our house, share the love of Jesus Christ, do anything, like my thought process behind this is like, hey, you get to interact with your community and have fun and talk to people and don't be afraid of [SPEAKER_04]: sharing and being a witness to the gospel.

[SPEAKER_04]: Even when people might think it's a scary hall, it like, I'm just so confused on how we have let fear dictate and fake scary moments dictate our religion and how we move as a believer.

[SPEAKER_04]: So when I see your force, Frank, I'm like, dude, you're just separating Christians and like you're just a youth group kid who's separating Christians from non-Christians.

[SPEAKER_04]: and you guys don't want interaction like I love the quote by Tim Keller like if we separate here as a villains in this world we forget that we all have sin and we all have fallen short so I don't know my my whole thing is like I will never teach my kid to not to not enjoy the moment and be a light wherever you are just like that guy who gives money to people and doesn't ask like just be a good person and be a light of Jesus Christ it's not that serious guys not that deep [SPEAKER_04]: That's my opinion.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_08]: That's different than 90s.

[SPEAKER_04]: Sorry.

[SPEAKER_08]: I think we're in the 90s.

[SPEAKER_08]: You know, I think that there's this one thing I'll say as the resident conspiracy theory, superstitious all of that.

[SPEAKER_08]: I'm all of it.

[SPEAKER_08]: I think there is something to be said about the origin of rituals and things of that nature.

[SPEAKER_08]: I think there's something to be said.

[SPEAKER_08]: I don't want to say that it doesn't matter.

[SPEAKER_08]: But at the same time, I also don't think that we should be bound in fear like Marty said I definitely agree with that, but I think we're back in the 90s or the 80s or wherever the say like it's the more things change the more they stay.

[SPEAKER_08]: of.

[SPEAKER_08]: But here's the thing, the satanic panic in my pain because like when you call back to the 80s, what were some of the some of the craziest scary movies we had ever seen like I'm Jason, Freddie Kruger, um, uh, the exorcists and all of that.

[SPEAKER_08]: There is a level of darkness that's under that under girls that like Freddie Kruger's a demonic show.

[SPEAKER_08]: Jason is a demonic show.

[SPEAKER_08]: Just what effect of people's faces are being chopped off and people are being horrified, right?

[SPEAKER_08]: And that's like it's not a it's not a it's not a we should it not react to those types of things.

[SPEAKER_08]: But we also need to react in the right way and I think that that is the key is not that it's not that Halloween does it doesn't matter.

[SPEAKER_08]: I don't think it's not that all of the demonic stuff we're seeing on social media.

[SPEAKER_08]: And when I say demonic, sometimes we overlook what demonic is, like, there's certain stuff that you look at and you're like, oh, this is just a television show and it's like, it's actually telling you that you should hurt yourself or hurt somebody else, then that's actually influenced by, by Satanic, by Satanic stuff.

[SPEAKER_08]: I think that, but we don't react in the right way.

[SPEAKER_08]: I think that that's the problem.

[SPEAKER_08]: Our reactions to a lot of those things are not nuance, they're not prayer, they're just making it go away unless Jesus is in a way.

[SPEAKER_08]: And I think that that is a problem because I think Marty got a point.

[SPEAKER_08]: It's a great time to have spiritual conversations say, how long is probably one of the best times you should be having spiritual conversations with people?

[SPEAKER_08]: And that's a virtual conversation.

[SPEAKER_04]: We're so afraid of the conversation.

[SPEAKER_04]: You know, that's what's interesting.

[SPEAKER_04]: Like we really don't even want to have a conversation.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's just like us first them.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I guess that's point to my little rant.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's like it's never been us first them.

[SPEAKER_04]: And as a kid who grew up, you know, in and out of the church, like I remember the stupidest thing I ever thought was having a separate event for [SPEAKER_04]: Halloween.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's not the church with only the same people that I know and it's like it was alienating anyone who did not agree with what we agree with and I just always felt like even as a child.

[SPEAKER_04]: I was like I can't be with my friends because I got to go to a car show basically where they open trunks and I grab a tree.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, the whole list of heroes, how are you tonight?

[SPEAKER_04]: Marcus Party.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, man.

[SPEAKER_04]: Harvest night.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, there was a preacher that said, I don't know what one it is.

[SPEAKER_08]: I want to say that it was Mike Todd.

[SPEAKER_08]: I might be a think is Mike Todd.

[SPEAKER_08]: He said, how can you save the world if you hate him?

[SPEAKER_08]: boom, like he was like, how can you, how can you, um, and I, I would say how, how can you even share the gospel if you're afraid of the people you're sharing the gospel or you have this judgmental spirit or you're like, you've, you've dehumanized them in a way that you can't even relate to them on a human level to share the actual gospel with them.

[SPEAKER_05]: I do want to say that for those, you know, I feel like people have different convictions and that's all valid or different places in their lives and all the kind of things and if somebody, if a parent, you know, listen, unequivocally as a believer, there is light darkness, the spiritual realm is real, the spiritual warfare happening every day between angels and demons.

[SPEAKER_05]: And that is all real as a Christian, that is all real, that's not hopeless, that is real.

[SPEAKER_05]: But like Derek, you guys were saying, like, God has not given us a spirit of fear, and God has won.

[SPEAKER_05]: And so like we don't have to be afraid of all this up now.

[SPEAKER_05]: If a family with young kids feels like celebrating Halloween, desensitizes or trivializes what is actual spiritual darkness and stuff, and they don't want that environment for their kids.

[SPEAKER_05]: God bless them.

[SPEAKER_05]: Teach their own.

[SPEAKER_05]: That's fine.

[SPEAKER_05]: Your thing.

[SPEAKER_05]: You know what I mean?

[SPEAKER_05]: Do your thing.

[SPEAKER_05]: I'm not going to criticize that.

[SPEAKER_05]: It has a valid conviction.

[SPEAKER_05]: I don't watch horror movies.

[SPEAKER_05]: I don't listen to it, listen to it, lyric music.

[SPEAKER_05]: Same reason, garbage and garbage.

[SPEAKER_05]: I don't want to be desensitized to that stuff.

[SPEAKER_05]: And I want to keep my heart pure or sensitive.

[SPEAKER_05]: And so like I understand that mindset, I understand what you're saying, Marty, about separatism.

[SPEAKER_05]: I probably just like living in a Christian bowl without the answer, you know what I mean?

[SPEAKER_05]: We all, I think it's about without really thinking about it beforehand, but you get what I'm trying to say.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, separatism and like it, but I mean, I think I think we can all like navigate this for what's right for you and your family and what, you know, I think pray about it.

[SPEAKER_05]: You know, it really has to learn what's right for you and your family and your neighborhood and Marty sees as opportunity to bless his neighbors and and form community and whatever and not be a separate test cool.

[SPEAKER_05]: We all have that person and our neighbor are grown up who put the big old sign in the yard that the only the only ghost that lives here is the Holy Ghost and the other lights.

[SPEAKER_05]: And it's like, well, that's a weirdo and I don't like them now, you know, so it's like.

[SPEAKER_03]: You know, let's just give me a piece of candy, lady, you know, I mean, so I think at the end of the day, like, I think whether it's Halloween or whatever tradition it is, I do think it is good to have your reason for why you are or not.

[SPEAKER_03]: No, you're wine.

[SPEAKER_03]: That's why I wanted to bring this.

[SPEAKER_03]: It was like, you might have a valid reason for celebrating Halloween.

[SPEAKER_03]: You might have a conviction to not.

[SPEAKER_03]: That's great.

[SPEAKER_03]: You have to stay in your ground.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like, just because my parents did something doesn't mean I have to do it, you know, just just think for yourselves, people.

[SPEAKER_03]: That's why I'm trying to get to.

[SPEAKER_05]: I did that one time, I did that one time in high school, Halloween Hornites at Universal Studios is a big deal here.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, and I went and I walked in and the theme that year was very occultic and they were literally reenacting the sacrifice of a virgin and she was caged and it was very dark and it was very, very, very evil.

[SPEAKER_05]: And I never went back.

[SPEAKER_05]: I was just very like, I do, this isn't entertainment to me.

[SPEAKER_05]: That is, [SPEAKER_05]: The spiritual realm is real, these people don't feel it's real.

[SPEAKER_05]: They're just, you know, it's a joke to them that want to joke to me.

[SPEAKER_05]: I didn't go back.

[SPEAKER_05]: And but I've come in as friends in the Christian school that are going to Halloween or nights fine.

[SPEAKER_05]: If that's what's right for their family and it's different every year.

[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, fine, you know, but it was just that's my decision.

[SPEAKER_08]: But I don't want to gloss over the fact that this man said that human sacrifices are happening in the most ones that happen are today.

[SPEAKER_08]: Right, or not today.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, why aren't we finding bodies and stuff like I've never remember.

[SPEAKER_04]: So maybe he's talking about globally.

[SPEAKER_08]: Maybe it could be someplace where we're globally where people what people would have no but light.

[SPEAKER_03]: There are some just a couple of that more hospital visits happen on Halloween like there are certain holidays, but Halloween is like a high time for hospital.

[SPEAKER_08]: What was that?

[SPEAKER_08]: This was not in nowhere, right?

[SPEAKER_05]: What was that HBO show, met me kind of, hey, true detectives that it were like, yeah, yeah, yeah, like one of the seasons was like in Louisiana, and then the woods, they came across like ritual stuff, you know, like I think that wasn't a nice season.

[SPEAKER_05]: I think it was his season.

[SPEAKER_05]: It was like super dark, super coltic.

[SPEAKER_05]: And the whole thing was like, wait, this is actually happening.

[SPEAKER_05]: You know, and like they got into it.

[SPEAKER_05]: And there was a subculture of the people that were actually kidnapping and harming people.

[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, obviously, we know this South has to be with, you know, harming people.

[SPEAKER_05]: So.

[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think we see it a lot in the news because you got to be real sure that you're calling out a satanic call in the media.

[SPEAKER_03]: I do think that's why there's a lot of documentaries about it because it takes years to build up that evidence that proof find those sources to have someone willing to say like, yeah, this is a satanic call.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like journalists, we got a lot of those stuff going on.

[SPEAKER_03]: We don't have time to write a quick story about a quick satanic call sacrifice.

[SPEAKER_05]: Look at this all to the same way we celebrate Christmas.

[SPEAKER_05]: Christmas has different, it means different things for different people.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_05]: To some people there's a sacred holiday where we are honoring and remembering the birth of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

[SPEAKER_05]: And it is a holy day for us.

[SPEAKER_05]: So somebody else, it's candy and Santa Claus.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_05]: And so somebody else is just just a banana.

[SPEAKER_05]: You know, and that's it.

[SPEAKER_05]: So to some families, it's just a fun costume day for their kids and that's literally the extent of it and they live in that safe little bubble to some people is a very dark spiritual moment to some people is you know I understand it and that's why I'm saying like know your why.

[SPEAKER_05]: How you feel about this how you celebrate Christmas all the things.

[SPEAKER_05]: I mean there are families or Christian families who don't give presents on Christmas because they feel convicted about.

[SPEAKER_05]: materialism, and that our focus shouldn't be on a getting, but it should be on honoring Christ.

[SPEAKER_05]: And while that seems extreme to me, I respect and understand that they know they're why.

[SPEAKER_05]: You know, I'm saying, so yeah, feel to do the same way about how they're that slices.

[SPEAKER_05]: A couple of those stories are on our.

[SPEAKER_05]: That's an easy conversation.

[SPEAKER_05]: All right, we'll got to be super fast and ask the cast.

[SPEAKER_05]: I'll ask like one or two questions right for this break.

[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, it's time for [SPEAKER_05]: All right, you guys in and some questions for us.

[SPEAKER_05]: And I'll toss a few to the crew.

[SPEAKER_05]: James Peters, James Sun Peters asked, if you're 16 year old self met you today, what would they think?

[SPEAKER_05]: Would they be disappointed?

[SPEAKER_08]: Oh, yeah, this is going to be 16 year old Derek would be like, so it depends on are you saying 16 year old Derek met Derek in the future or just no Derek.

[SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[SPEAKER_08]: Oh, he would be like, Dan, you did it, man.

[SPEAKER_08]: That's that's crazy, but right.

[SPEAKER_05]: You'd be proud of you.

[SPEAKER_05]: Me, I'd be disappointed myself because I thought I was going to own some theme parks by now.

[SPEAKER_08]: Or only Orlando magic one of the two and he would not like the fact that that Derek's there has a party Moth sometimes and and dairy partakes and alcohol Derek Derek partakes and milkshakes milkshakes.

[SPEAKER_05]: He's he's done hang out with my life Cyrus is what we're saying [SPEAKER_04]: My sense of your old self would be like I can't believe you're a Christian like I think that that would be a conversation like wow You are you believe it like how did this happen had you become a Christian who preaches about God?

[SPEAKER_04]: I had a debt at someone who like never went to church like what how does that [SPEAKER_03]: I think six or only it would be really pleasantly surprised at current Emily.

[SPEAKER_03]: I think like I am the kind of person that I always really admired, but I didn't think like just life and stuff I would have never get to be.

[SPEAKER_03]: So like I think she think it's really cool that I like live in Nashville.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I have a job that I love and I'm going to roam this weekend.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm going to go into this.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like I like traveling and I've traveled and like all the different things that I've gotten to do.

[SPEAKER_05]: Like I think and you have a job that's taking you to roam this weekend.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, I have a job taking me to Rome this weekend, which I'm very, very excited about.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like, that's like, that is something that I dreamed about.

[SPEAKER_03]: But I was like, that happens to other people.

[SPEAKER_03]: And so I think like, six or so, I'm like, she'd be really cool to be like, wait, that's that's it.

[SPEAKER_04]: Working for the coolest company, Christian media company ever.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's incredible.

[SPEAKER_04]: Ever, ever done.

[SPEAKER_04]: All right, Michael.

[SPEAKER_04]: Cooper.

[SPEAKER_05]: Michael Cooper.

[SPEAKER_05]: That's really, too.

[SPEAKER_05]: Christine, today at last.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, we're cooler than them.

[SPEAKER_04]: We're better than Angel Studios.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm just kidding.

[SPEAKER_05]: If we, that is true.

[SPEAKER_05]: Michael Cooper 94, they don't advertise anymore.

[SPEAKER_05]: So yes, we're better than them.

[SPEAKER_05]: Michael Cooper 94 asks, what's something cringy, cringy Christian that you secretly still love?

[SPEAKER_05]: That's what he asked.

[SPEAKER_05]: I got to be honest, this isn't cringey, but I've been in this phase lately where I am listen to a ton of 90s gospel and 80s 90s gospel.

[SPEAKER_05]: I am in this TikTok wormhole of Marvin Weinens, Pastor Marvin Weinens.

[SPEAKER_05]: I see I literally lay in bed at night watching Pastor Marvin Weinens sing in at the end of pulpit every crying.

[SPEAKER_05]: I am dude.

[SPEAKER_05]: I am just in this world of like early 90s.

[SPEAKER_04]: That is funny you say that because me too camp, but it's like a different side of it There was this old I don't even want to say it's name, but there was this old guy Older guy who used to sing worship in the 90s is then was Clint Brown and Clint Brown dude [SPEAKER_05]: for two years, he was my pass.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm talking about that's Emily, but it's the same.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's the same like you sit down at the piano and it's just like gospel.

[SPEAKER_04]: He what my dad played with them a couple times, but I note, I mean, number one, he's one of the best songwriters ever Christian songwriters, but I find myself singing.

[SPEAKER_04]: his songs to my son to go to sleep.

[SPEAKER_04]: And they're very simple.

[SPEAKER_04]: And they're like, so I've actually, I'm on the different side where in the like 90s worship, how simple and how like it's four bars and repeat.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: So Clint Brown or Lando.

[SPEAKER_04]: He is one of the best songers.

[SPEAKER_04]: So I've been singing those songs.

[SPEAKER_04]: So all my playlists right now, my worship playlist, nothing is new.

[SPEAKER_04]: Everything is like 1993 and up.

[SPEAKER_05]: You know, some about that era, man.

[SPEAKER_05]: Clevver, I don't know.

[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_05]: Cringey Christian.

[SPEAKER_08]: Oh, is it Emily?

[SPEAKER_08]: Oh, you go if you have something.

[SPEAKER_08]: No, for me, I just, I went to a concert last night.

[SPEAKER_08]: It was a jazz concert, but the guy I was playing pretty much all like gospely jazz.

[SPEAKER_08]: That's cool.

[SPEAKER_08]: And the people were like, hey, yeah, woo.

[SPEAKER_05]: And it's like, back in the day, take six to six.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, kind of that vibe.

[SPEAKER_08]: You know, he up, updated a little bit, [SPEAKER_08]: You know, those church functions that we went to that we're so cringe, actually we're super fun when you think about it and I missed those, I missed the lock ins, I missed getting a trouble.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, like all that stuff, that was good.

[SPEAKER_08]: It was, it was a good time.

[SPEAKER_08]: You know, it was a good time.

[SPEAKER_08]: We don't realize how important it is.

[SPEAKER_08]: It feels like the world has moved on from that, but that's really important.

[SPEAKER_08]: I mean, I'm a special song and the church service, like they're not there would always be a special song, you know, and like we don't have that I'm just bringing my all-flowing friend Yeah, you know bringing your offer to the front like that whole thing like you know God loves You would never like they're way up in the front, you know That's not somebody Yeah, there's always like a Jamaican guy who's like with stittles on these dressed up [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I went to a Jesus culture where some conference this would have been maybe like 2015 and it was probably about 3500 people and Jesus culture cares matter comes from like the Bethlehem world and They had a rule they announced at the beginning of this conference are like no showfares [SPEAKER_05]: no sofa.

[SPEAKER_05]: We're not going to be so far.

[SPEAKER_05]: And in the back of the balcony, if you have a flag, if you have a worship flag, you have to be up there.

[SPEAKER_05]: And so they're in to separate the flag waivers because they would be all in front and just distract everybody.

[SPEAKER_03]: So we're so far.

[SPEAKER_03]: I grew up in a Baptist church.

[SPEAKER_03]: We were not having a flag enter the bill.

[SPEAKER_05]: No flag, no no far, yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: Not at all how I grew up.

[SPEAKER_03]: But then in college went to more charismatic church.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I remember, actually, I think this is after college.

[SPEAKER_03]: There was a little lady she would stand at the back.

[SPEAKER_03]: She had like a medium-sized flag.

[SPEAKER_03]: It wasn't huge, but it was like noticeable, right?

[SPEAKER_03]: And I was like, we had talked before.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like, she was like one of the sweetest ladies as adopted everyone.

[SPEAKER_03]: And there was one Sunday.

[SPEAKER_03]: I was really feeling it and I went back there with there and I was like, can I hold the flag?

[SPEAKER_03]: And I like waved it.

[SPEAKER_03]: I think I did like two or three waves and I was like, I don't know if I'm quite there.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but this was fun.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like it was great that I just stood by her while she did her little flag waving, but I was like, okay.

[SPEAKER_05]: And I heard me round up.

[SPEAKER_05]: I thought of you, Emily, and our meme round up last week.

[SPEAKER_05]: There was that clip of I guess Guardians of the Galaxy or something.

[SPEAKER_05]: It was Chris Pratt with some superhero something.

[SPEAKER_05]: And it said the first time Baptist raise their hand and worship and he kind of like lifted his hands ever so slightly and like lightning bolts came out of his hands.

[SPEAKER_05]: That was Emily.

[SPEAKER_03]: First time she went to her church there's a there's a there's a Chris this Christian comedian Tim Hawkins he has a bit where he would talk about like the different kind of worshipers and churches.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, they carry the TV.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: The bad guys are here then you have like you can like depending on your denomination like the raising of your hands, which is so funny.

[SPEAKER_05]: All right, last one here we go, uh, what is a hill you didn't expect to die on, but here you are passionately defending it.

[SPEAKER_05]: Every time it comes up, Brian Andrews asked us this.

[SPEAKER_05]: Well, it's a hill, you always, I know mine.

[SPEAKER_05]: Mine is mine.

[SPEAKER_05]: Wally, the movie Wally, Pixar movie, it was actually prophetic, and that is the inevitable direction that society is going.

[SPEAKER_05]: Wally, we're all going to be consumers and not creators, and that's where a guy's taking us.

[SPEAKER_05]: But anyway.

[SPEAKER_03]: My stance.

[SPEAKER_03]: I actually do have it on shirt all the way at one of these days.

[SPEAKER_03]: You'll can all see it.

[SPEAKER_03]: Hating pop music does not make you deep.

[SPEAKER_03]: That's a hill that I'm absolutely dying on.

[SPEAKER_07]: I feel I like you.

[SPEAKER_03]: I built my life around that one.

[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: I know my hill.

[SPEAKER_04]: My hill to die on always and I've had this conversation with many people.

[SPEAKER_04]: Bar soap is far more superior than liquid soap.

[SPEAKER_04]: it's just it's like when you go to the fake alone place and they tell you the oil versus going to like me season getting the real thing like the oil is just so much more potent as I feel about bar soap and so I feel like when I take when I use bar soap I smell good when I walk out the shower versus using the rocks soap he is no hair like he's hairless how am I I just don't get it [SPEAKER_04]: So yeah, bar soap is just far superior.

[SPEAKER_03]: See, okay, but with that though, like, okay, I'm thinking like in a bathroom, I'd like a restaurant or something like that.

[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know who touched the bar before me.

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, no, no, no, no, I'm talking about taking a shower.

[SPEAKER_04]: I don't, I don't as described to using other people's soap bars.

[SPEAKER_04]: Like that, you could use liquid for sure.

[SPEAKER_04]: But when it comes to bar soap, yeah, I'm talking like, lever 2000, like, yeah, you're not gonna, not that way.

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[SPEAKER_05]: On that, we'll wrap it.

[SPEAKER_05]: I'm Cameron Schreing.

[SPEAKER_05]: I'm Derek Marner.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm Emily Brown.

[SPEAKER_05]: I'm Marty.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Have a great week at one and have a safe trip to Rome, Emily.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yes.

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