
·E445
Charlie Kirk’s Murder: Professional Hit or Radical Leftist Rage? w/ Harrison Hill Smith
Episode Transcript
I have total trust in it.
The person who told me brought it up apropros off nothing.
So, I mean we were just talking about I think, like Israel and you influencers and Charlie Kirk, and as I remember, he just he just said he's like, well, you know, Charlie Kirk says he's afraid that there's real kid.
And I was like, whoa, because just the day or two before, I was like, I just made a video did you see my video?
I just made a video saying that he looked scared.
In this interview with Meghan Kelly.
Speaker 2I have less abilities sometimes online to criticize the Israeli government about backlash than actual Israelis do.
And that's really really weird, isn't.
Speaker 3It, Meghan.
That's not right.
And you'll see this as we go through some of these videos.
There is this.
Speaker 1Like permanent condition of fear underlying sense, especially amongst like the Charlie Kirks of the sector.
I guess walking on eggshells would be a way of putting it, but more like walking through a minefield that they're so scared of saying the wrong thing, they're so scared of stepping on a land mine of expressing something in not quite the correct way and having their lives destroyed for it.
That's a deliberately fostered condition.
That's because they've been threatened, or because the threat is implicit.
If you step on the land mine, you die, right, So that's how they act, and they act like they're really carefully stepping around a bunch of bombs.
Speaker 2I'm afraid because again, I want civilization to win.
Speaker 3I want the West to win.
Speaker 2I don't want the Islamo fascist barbarians to storm the gates of Jerusalem.
I want the Holy sites protected.
I believe in the Holy Land.
I love that Jesus walked on water there and rose from the dead and preached.
Speaker 3In the uh.
Speaker 2The amount of the attitudes like I feel the connection to Israel and I but at the same time, simultaneously, when the hostile reaction is that now Meghan and Charlie are enemies.
Boy, I'll tell you like you're you're, you're, you're you're gonna.
You're not gonna, I would say, lose, but you will weaken and just basically deflate two of your strongest advocates if that continues.
Speaker 4The last time I saw this man was at Ron Paul's ninetieth birthday, which was a much more happy endeavor than the one we have been on as of late.
Harrison Hillsmith, how are you doing, brother?
Speaker 3Very good?
Thank you, All things considered, how are you?
Yeah?
Speaker 4Right, well, I'm okay, very very concerned about the state of our country, very concerned for Charlie's family.
But I would I would first, I mean, just from your vantage point.
You're a Christian, you're a right wing political commentator, you're a father.
This had to feel like a strike close to home for somebody, like you.
Speaker 1Know, yeah, there's been unfortunately a few things like that recently, and this one definitely, and you know, in a way, it's like, you know, Charlie Kirk gets killed, What does that have to do with me?
But you know, I immediately I just went home as soon as I could and just like got the gun in the waistband and hung out with the kids and the family and also just genuinely deeply appreciated.
Speaker 3Being with my family.
Yeah.
It's brutal, man, it is.
Speaker 1It does hit close to home, and then I just so happened to get like wrapped up in it.
Anyway, So this whole thing has been sort of bizarre for me, just just almost like out of body, like is this really happening?
Speaker 3It's been strange.
It's been very strange.
Speaker 4Oh man, I could not couldn't say it better.
I feel the exact same way, totally totally surreal.
Well, I mean, first off, I don't know, it's not breaking news.
I'm sure everybody that's watching this already knows.
But yes, Charlie Kirk was what appears to be a assassination just yesterday, and the entire country kind of froze in place, and the FBI, I mean the latest.
Actually I'll start there.
I mean, Harrison, what have you thought about the investigations so far?
Are your spidy senses tingling as to a cover up or what are you feeling?
Speaker 1Yeah, they seriously are.
I mean, I don't think we have been.
The problem is we're so far gone in this country.
I don't know if I would ever trust anything they'd give me anyway.
But I think the fact that there was no suspect, no description of the suspect, no age, name, sex, hair color, nothing for like twenty four hours.
They finally announce that they have a suspect and have him on video or photo, but they're not going to release it, and then finally they do.
Really, the whole thing to me has been incredibly strange.
I compare it to something like Butler Pennsylvania, when I felt like it was sloppy.
It was.
I mean, there were videos from all over the places, people pointing at the guy.
This one felt like Charlie's killed by a ghost.
There was one shot to the neck instant.
I mean, there's no hope if you hit the carotid artery and then he's gone.
And for twenty four hours we have zero information.
But Cash Betel is saying, we have a subject in custody, and then two hours later they drop him, and then John Solomon is going John Solomon says on Fox News we had two people arrested that we let go that we think weren't the shooter.
I was like, maybe that was just a way he phrased things, but I think it's sort of symbolic of like, you mean, you know they weren't their shooter, right, I mean, did you let guys go that may have been the shooter because you may have at this point I don't even know.
But it's like all the information, It's like, why is this so hard what is happening.
Speaker 4I mean, this is indicative of both the mistrust that the general public has in the FBI, but also in the FBI is either a neptitude or their corruption, and I don't know which.
Speaker 3In this instance.
Speaker 4When it comes to Butler, it seemed very much to be evidence of corruption.
Speaker 3When it comes to.
Speaker 4This, it feels like maybe it's an aptitude, but I'm not.
I'm not a hundred percent confident it's all right.
Well, I mean, yeah, the similarities also between Butler and this are unbelievable.
And the kind of the open wound sorry for you know, to use that pun, but no pun intended.
I should say the open wound of the Butler attack and having no closure on that really, I mean, we have no motive, we don't know anything about that guy.
And then I don't know what it's been fifty fourteen months or something.
It's like, it's not that long ago that that happened, and now you have this, which looks like the exact same thing, elevated sneyper position, you know, security that doesn't see anything.
I guess the difference is that this guy was you know, he survived in escape, which makes it even more egregious and he was, you know, scare quote successful that he actually landed his mark, he landed his target.
What what do you make of that?
Is there is there a connection between these two events or am I just seeing things?
Speaker 1You know there there may be the connection so far as you point out, is a lack of information and sort of the sort of the accepted reality now that we just don't find anything out.
I mean, when it comes to Thomas Crooks, we find out things that are like tantalizing, but no actual information.
He had multiple phones or they they had phones that had accounts connected to other countries, but we're not gonna say which ones and follow up on that at all.
I mean, yeah, it's been over a year, right, that was July of twenty twenty four, and not only has there been no conclusions as to why he did it or if he was connected to anybody, which apparently he was, but we haven't heard anything about it.
Speaker 3Then there was that second shooting.
Speaker 1And there has been no like real reckoning with the leftist violence that is plaguing this country, that has been plaguing this country in the political sphere specifically, but expand that out to radical leftists shooting up you know, Catholic free schools and slicing girls neck on the subway, which I would but classify both of those as like anti white, anti Christian, anti right wing.
Speaker 3I mean to me, they're all the same.
Speaker 1They're all motivated by the same leftists, anti white, anti civilization, anti Christian ideology.
So we haven't seen any sufficient response to the trend of violence that's only accelerating.
Speaker 4Well, and it stretches all the way back to the summer of twenty twenty in my view, and cities burned and there was minimal justice to be found for that, and then it just seems like it's been escalation since.
Speaker 1To be honest, it goes all the way back to the sixties and the weather underground, and we never you know, appropriately confronted that domestic terrorism in archives.
So yeah, we have a history of this.
The leftists have never been so I really but I don't even know what I want them to do exactly.
I just know I hate being in a country where the left is out there making tiktoks with their real names and their faces, saying you should kill Ben Shapiro next, while you know, Republicans are out there.
Speaker 3Going let's lower the temperature and we're the ones being killed.
Speaker 4So yeah, I'm yeah, it's all it's a major challenge to find that balance because it's like I also I don't want to be passive, but I also don't want to escalate things in a way that's non productive, and I don't I don't know what the answer is to a path that's productive at this moment.
All I know is that short term, I need answers as to Charlie Kirk's assailant.
So yeah, we'll get into the meat of the story and your prediction or you know call that was made a month ago in a second.
But first off, do you have any instinct as to how valid the claims are that the Rounds had you know, anti I guess pro trans rhetoric written on.
Speaker 3It, you know, I uh, it makes sense to me.
Speaker 1I mean again, this is kind of the thing is It's like, you know, when it comes to my tweet and stuff, you know, the question is like is it Israel?
And so you know, I was kind of expecting it to be a radical Palestinian because that's where I see a lot of radicalization, That's where I see a lot of the hate for Charlie Kirk coming from before this, so I was kind of expecting that, and in that form, you know, it'd be like, well, it's both just as likely to be a radical leftist because they're crazy and violent and they hate Charlie Kirk, and it's exactly what Israel would want you to think of it.
So it's like, I'm sort of split.
It's both perfectly in line with what we've seen before.
It seems to be a copycat style with Luigi Mangioni or the Transhuuter of the of the Church just a few weeks ago or just a week ago, or I don't even know what time.
Speaker 3It is, they're all blending together.
Speaker 1Yeah, so it seemed to be mimicking that, So it is in line with that.
Why he would leave the gun in the woods is a little questionable.
He could have left it on the roof, he could have taken it with him.
Would seems like an odd place to leave it.
So I approach everything with with epticism.
But I see no reason not to believe that if that's a good Yeah, I'm no, it's it's a fair one.
It's I'm I'm skeptical, you know, because the it reminds me again of Butler in that it just seems as if this would be an extraordinary feat for some radical transactivists to pull off, just as you know, how do you how do you actually rattle off eight shots past the former and future president of the United States head, Like, how did not?
Yeah, he didn't get away with it.
He's you know, he's died, But still just the the how did you actually pull that off?
It just doesn't add up.
Speaker 4And then the same thing with this, It's like, all right, so I've done lots of threads on this, and I'm exhausted because I didn't sleep at all last night because I was so you know, racking my brain trying to figure out what happened.
But it does feel like like to as an amateur.
Yeah, people, people keep harping on I could I could land shot.
It's two hundred yards, Yeah, anybody could do.
All right, Fine, that's not That's not really what strikes me as makes me suspect that maybe this was a professional It's that if it's just an attempt to take out Charlie Kirk, if that's all that this is, If it's just I want this guy gone, there's a lot of ways that you could do that, especially if it's not a suicide mission, if you want to survive, if you because if you just want if like the point that you want to make is you want to terrorize the country and you want to take out Charlie Kirk because of his anti trans rhetoric or whatever.
You could take him out when he's at a restaurant, like, Charlie Kirk is not the President of the United States.
He's not he's not riding around with Secret Service detail all the time.
Like, there's many opportunities that someone could have got to Charlie Kirk if that's all that they were interested in, So it tells me that's not all that they were interested in.
They wanted this to be public, They wanted it to be visual, visceral, disgusting, horrifying, and radicalizing.
So if that's just a transactivist, do they really do they really have the capacity to get up on this building a couple hundred yards away fire not multiple shots.
Speaker 3They don't.
Speaker 4They don't rap in fire, they're not trying to take out the entire crowd, which you would assume that if they don't like Charlie Kirk to the point that they want to take his life.
Sure, they want to take out everybody that's there, right, or the vast majority of the people are supporters, So why wouldn't you, you know, just rattle it off, or just if you're not even interested in killing his supporters, you're also just you really want to make sure he's dead.
You only fire one bullet, right, you fire one shot.
You're real, you are real confident in yourself.
You fired one shot, and you were like, I know, I got this guy, and then.
Speaker 3And he's out of there, and then you get out, and then you get out of there, and then you still haven't been caught.
And then you also have these radicals in the audience saying I did it?
Shoot me?
Speaker 1At that part, It's like what baffling?
Utterly utterly baffling?
Who acts that way?
I mean, because I was saying this on my show earlier.
It's like, put yourself in the mindset.
You're at an event, the speaker gets shot, they think you did it?
Are you gonna sit there and go I have the right to remain silent, I you know, but shoot me?
Speaker 3Shoot me?
It's like what what?
Speaker 2Ye?
Speaker 3He explains it?
Who acts like that?
Speaker 4And then basically they said he confessed to it, and then they go, right, he didn't do it, and it's like, all right, so maybe he's just a lunatic.
That's a you know, counter protester of Charlie Kirk that you know wanted the attention.
I don't know, man, but anyways, but it provided the perfect chance.
It's yeah, exactly exactly, so yeah exactly.
So so the actual you know, sniper gets out of there and then he's gone, and then he's in the wind and you don't catch him.
So he's pulled off these miraculous things.
And also the bullet chop.
I haven't even mentioned this part, but Charlie's wearing body armor, like it had to hit either his head or his neck or it had to pierce the armor.
It clips the armor and ricochet.
I mean, this is what it looks like at this point.
That's what It clips the armor and it ricochets into his neck and it's extraordinarily lethal.
So that's just pure luck.
Okay, maybe maybe that's maybe it's all luck.
This radical transactivist gets what pulls off all these miracles.
Bullet drop lands perfectly, everything and they get out of there perfectly, and it's just an amateur.
Speaker 3Okay, maybe I'm not so sure, you know, and I can.
Speaker 1Yet again, I hate to, you know, do the same answer for every but it's like I could see it either way.
Speaker 3Honestly.
You know, when you ask.
Speaker 1About like, well, why go out to Charlie Kirk here, I think if you're a radical transperson, you do want to blow Charlie Kirk's head off in front of everybody on camera.
I that sounds like something a psychopath murderer would want to do.
You know, maybe they're familiar with the landscape.
They know Charlie Kirk's coming gets announced a month in the in the you know, advance, and he gets to go around and see different angle Like I don't know, that to me makes a little bit of sense.
But when you talk about the professionalism, when you talk about shooting Charlie Kirk in one of the only areas that will absolutely guarantee death, even you know, we saw which trump a glancing blow.
Speaker 3You know, the skulls is pretty hard.
He had the bulletproof vest.
Speaker 1Even you know, the rib cage, the can can deflect bullets or you know, can miss a vital but you get hit in the crowded artery and that's.
Speaker 3When there's no hope.
Speaker 1It is the most leathful place to be hit anywhere in your life, anywhere in your body.
And so I don't really have the expertise to say whether or not this was truly a you know, a miraculous It seems it seems like one to me that the success of this mission, and everybody I've talked to that is in the know and does have the knowledge to understand how impressive this was is like, yeah, this was a professional, professional interest.
So that's that's who I'm going with.
Speaker 4Yeah, that's I mean, that's just my gut instinct after everything I've looked at so far.
You know, in many ways, I would prefer it not to be that, because then then it opens up Pandora's box, these is this our intelligence agencies?
Is this foreign intelligence agencies?
Who actually was behind that?
So let's get into the meat of the story and the reason I reached out to you.
Obviously, you know, I find I think that you're a fantastic political commentator anyway, so I would have loved to talk to you about this, but your call on this was wild.
Almost exactly thirty days ago, you post that you knew somebody that knew Charlie that said that Charlie is afraid that Israel will take his life if he turns against them.
I know you've already said, and I'm not going to expect you to out your source, but I am curious as to how valid do you think that claim was.
Speaker 1I have total trust in it.
The person who told me brought it up.
Apropros of nothing were so.
I mean, we were just talking about I think, like Israel and you know, influencers and Charlie Kirk, and as I remembered, he just he just said He's like, well, you know, Charlie Kirk says he's afraid that Israel, O kid.
And I was like, whoa, because just the day or two before, I was like, I just made a video did you see my video?
I just made a video saying that he looked scared in this interview with Megan Kelly, and the guy says, no, no, you know, I didn't that, but yeah, that's that's what he said.
Because the whole time I'm thinking Charlie Kirk's looks scared talking about Israel, thinking that he's afraid of losing donors, afraid of losing sponsors.
Speaker 3It didn't even enter my mind.
He's afraid they're going to kill him and something.
Speaker 1When this guy said that, I was like, WHOA, that's even more intense than I thought.
And then we talked about other stuff, like it wasn't really that big of a deal, but I tweeted.
But then Ian Carroll posted something that reminded me of that, and so I went ahead and tweeted that out.
And now I'm like the number one response under all of bbing nen yah, Who's Benjamin Who's tweets?
So it's it's very it's very like surreal, very weird that because you say I predicted, I didn't predict anything.
I feel like because then because then yesterday I'm I'm hosting Alex Jones, the Alex Jones Show, which I never do.
Speaker 3I never host Alex Jones Show.
Speaker 1I've done it like once, you know, for like two hours a year, and I happen to be on air for thirty minutes and it happens to be the thirty minutes where Charlie Kirk gets shot and I'm live when that happens, and then it has me in my tweet that goes out that I just randomly put up and it feels very much like God is moving me like a chess piece on a board.
Speaker 3And I'm like, did I just foil if ISRAELI false flags?
I didn't mean to.
Speaker 1And you know, when Charlie got shot, it didn't even enter into my mind that it might be Israel, Like I completely forgot about that.
We've been talking about the killing on the train, on the light rail.
All this left is violence.
That's where my mind goes, transgenderism, propouset Indian stuff.
It wasn't until somebody else posted that tweet of mine that it was like, oh shit, right, yeah, and then I started thinking about it.
Speaker 4Right that dot suddenly gets reconnected for you.
Yeah, you know, look Charlie.
Charlie did make some criticisms of Israel, but they were very mild, I mean compared to me, I mean to you know, Flint does, and even Dave Smith is much more critical of Israel than Charlie Kirk was.
So do you think that he was actually flipping on them scare quotes?
Speaker 1You know, I don't know, it did seem like he was moving that direction like this is the thing I'm in a way last night for I mean, I was like kind of feeling guilty.
I was like, this is getting spread so much, and now everybody thinks that Israel's behind it.
I'm like, I if they weren't behind it, I kind of feel bad, you know for sure.
Yeah, you know, I'm just trying to tell the truth, and that is the truth.
I did hear that, and I know, way of predicting or anything, you know, God, I'm.
Speaker 3Glad I did at this point.
Speaker 1So I'm kind of feeling like, uh gee, like I don't want to because I do want to actually want to find out what happened.
I want to find out who killed the guy, and like, I don't want anybody going down a rabbit trail that I accidentally let him down.
So I'm kind of like feeling guilty about it.
But then I talked to another friend and they were just like because they're convinced that it was Israel, and they like laid out and they're just like even then, you know, who's the first person to you know, say that he was dead and uh, you know post his condolences like three minutes after it happened.
Speaker 3Israel Post was the first people to report it.
Speaker 1First intern you know, media anywhere was the Jerusalem post, and then like you've got the two guys distracting the people.
Speaker 3So the third guy and get away.
You got this jet that apparently left left, you know, five minutes after it happened, and then turns off his transponder.
Speaker 1And of course you have the thing with Tom Alexandrovitch not too long ago, with the Israeli pedophile fleeing with cooperation of the authorities, and it just sort of like, yeah, well, in the whole Epstein cover up, and Charlie's been talking about Epstein and then they were they'd done research and they were like, last time, I think I think this is the case.
Last time Trump Charlie did a big event, it was like Tucker Carlson and all these people, and they were like every single person that went on stage talked about Epstein and criticized Israel.
And that's never the case with Charlie Kirk, and the recent interviews he's done been very harsh in Israel.
So then I'm thinking about it from Israel's perspective and going first of all, without my tweet as context, it kind of doesn't make any sense because Charlie Kirk is the pro z and his guy, he is the pro Israel guy.
He holds that banner and he's known as that.
So to say Israel is gonna kill him, that genuinely doesn't make any sense.
But then when you think of it as what if he was going in that direction, what if they were listening in to him and he was in communications with people saying Hey, I think I'm gonna go this direction, and they knew his intentions or saw this pattern.
Then suddenly it's like, Okay, here's this pro Zonis guy with this incredibly powerful platform that they built by the way that they that Charlie has thanks to them.
So if he's going to take what they gave him and turn it against them, that could literally destroy Israel because the youth is people they're most concerned about.
They're bringing over all these under thirty people to Israel to train, They're very concerned about the youth perception of Israel.
Charlie is the dude when it comes to Israel.
He is such a powerful component of their apparatus.
And so then you think, like, all right, we can't let him turn.
That's just like totally unacceptable.
And if he starts to turn and we take him out, then then we'll we blame, so you know, you take him out before he ever really genuinely turns, and then he's design as martyr and maybe you blame it on a Palestinian and then you get more anti Semitism stuff and you you know, unify the right and they stop criticizing your your guy, you know anymore.
I don't know, man, So again, Israel was never my top suspect until you know, I've spend twenty four hours thinking about it, and I'm like, it's not unreasonable, It's not even out of the question in terms of would Israel do this.
I mean it's like, guysh you I mean, they've done fourteen times since Clinton I started this conversation, so you know, it's like it's in their wheelhouse.
And if nothing else, it just shows how much they needed Charlie Kirk because man, nobody's going to be defending them anymore, and their reputation is in the toilet obviously.
Speaker 4Well that that's the hardest part for me to buy that narrative.
And you know Ian Carroll, who's a buddy of mine, you know, he's he's talking about it with ironclad certainty this morning.
Speaker 3That absolutely Israel.
Speaker 4But I'm just like, man, I just I'm not I can't take that leap.
Speaker 3You know.
And I can't be that certain either me me neither.
Speaker 4Yeah, I'm like, I'm about as critical of Israel and their actions, especially over the past few years as anybody in the right wing commentariat.
And uh, and I'm not confident at all.
But I also do think that it's not It's not as if it's impossible for sure.
Speaker 1But you know the problem is massad agents go on CBS News and say, we are the screen writers, we control everything, and it's like, you can't so you can't exactly blame us, And we go, oh, is this one of your little productions, sir, mister director, screenwriter, controller of global events exactly going to take the credit to take the punishment.
Speaker 3I mean that's how it goes.
Speaker 4Yeah, right, if you take the credit, you get the false allegation sometimes too.
Speaker 3Hey, yeah, I mean you're gonna make these claims.
Well, yeah, all right, you know what.
Speaker 4I have I just I have to ask, have you have you contacted the person that told you that since his life was actually taken?
Speaker 1Yes, yeah, yeah I have, And and he was kind of like, please please don't, please, God, don't tell anybody.
Speaker 3So I figured Joe public, he's more than welcome.
Yeah, and yeah, you know that's really the only information extra.
Speaker 1You know, people are going you got to tell us more, and I'm like, that's literally all I got.
Speaker 3That's what I heard.
Speaker 1I tweeted out what I heard, and you know, we really didn't talk too much about it, so it just it just feels very well and you know, the craziest well, another crazy thing on top of all of it.
Under that tweet also from August like thirteenth or something, somebody goes, yeah, if I was them, i'd take him out in a public area during one of his events and blame it on the groupers, and like, it's it's very uncanny how accurate that prediction was.
Man, which say what you want, that's there's something going on there.
Speaker 4Yeah, well I think, you know, just to kind of extrapolate this out and get a little bit macro analysis on it, what really concerns me is that Charlie Kirk was setting aside my disagreements of his views of Israel because he was actually, you know, kind of a water carrier for Israel for many years.
He was a very moderate guy.
You know, he's about especially for the under thirty five I think he was thirty one years old for the under thirty five crowd.
I don't know if you could find a more pro Israel commentator, certainly not one with that that size audience.
So it's just I mean, it's just shocking.
It's shocking if if Israel war behind it.
I mean that is it's kind of a you know, cutting off your nose despite your face moments unless they knew definitively that this guy was about to flip on him.
But anyways, the point I was trying to get to was, you know, he is he's such a moderate compared to everybody in the circles that you and I run in.
And it's like if if you if Charlie Kirk say this is some transactivists or you know, just as the left is celebrating his demise, and you're like, do you understand that he's the fucking nice option?
Do you understand that Charlie Kirk's the dam and fwent dez and then way more radical figures than him are the river kind of like Trump was just any thoughts on.
Speaker 1That, No, No, I feel I think you're exactly right, and I think, uh, I keep hating.
Speaker 3I hate.
This is been a turning point.
Speaker 1I mean, it's again, this is there's almost this like weird synchronicity with everything, but like, I really think this is an inflection point.
The stuff I'm seeing people say now is unlike anything I've ever heard before from people that aren't you know, people that I know in my real life, not political, Like this is really I think, I want to say, radicalizing a bunch of people, just really making people understand the situation that we're in and understand that we can't continue to take this not seriously enough, like continue to treat leftist violence, to the leftist radicalism as something that's just part of this whole democracy thing that we do.
It's not.
It's destroying it.
It is absolutely the most dangerous thing threatening us right now, which again is why I don't like, even though I'm the guy that's at the center of the whole like it was Israel thing, I'm not even that certain, and I don't think it's as important as recognizing the psychopathy of our fellow Americans.
You know, Israel is not the one making all the t TikTok videos.
Laughing at Charlie Kirk's death, and there are hundreds of thousands of those, and they're the people teaching your children.
So it's like, yeah, Israel is bad.
But like what Charlie Kirk's death has revealed is this undercurrent of not just people that are kind of mean and might like spin your food to McDonald's, they want you dead.
And I really think that it's about damn time Americans recognize that.
And finally I think it's it's been put right in their faces and people can't ignore it anymore because we really, I mean, it really is.
These people are insane, dude, They're like inhuman and we have to recognize that and figure out how to deal.
Speaker 3With it, I know.
Speaker 4And what is concerning is that, you know, this is not just radical college.
Speaker 3You know, it's Congress.
Speaker 4Yeah they did, they booed, moment of silence.
But I'm saying, like, this is your as you said, it's like it's your school teacher, it's your psychiatrist, your psychologists, your therapist.
It's like all of the people that went through academia also have taken on this worldview, and they've taken on this worldview of celebrating the demise of a good guy like Charlie Kirk was a good guy.
He hurt nobody.
Uh he you know, built this huge empire thirty one years old.
Father, No rumors of impropriety.
Speaker 3And fidelity, nothing, nothing.
Speaker 4Yeah, just like and everybody I knew that knew him, and I met him a couple of times.
It's like, just a good dude, just a really fucking good stand up guy, and a world filled with really scummy people.
Speaker 3And it's like it really is exceptional, isn't it.
Speaker 4Yeah, it's like, oh, man, if you if you are going to celebrate his demise, I can't even imagine what you want to do to somebody like me, Like no, for real, And and all he's all he's really saying is like a man is a man, and a woman's a woman, and we should get married and have kids.
And it's like, you know, and I've I've never bought into this, you know, Christians are being hunted narrative.
I've always thought it was overblown, But I gotta say, the animosity towards Charlie Kirk and him being such a really boiler plate, kind of run of the mill centrist conservative by no such of the imagination is here radical And for him to be viewed this way, to the point that you have thousands, if not tens of thousands, if not way more Americans celebrating his absolutely horrific demise.
It portends atrocious things for a future.
Speaker 1And that's, you know, ironically or I don't know if it's ironic or not, but it's like, it's almost why I, even though I disagree with Trump on so many things, It's like I see what's coming.
I see the elevator doors opening and the blood spilling out, and it's like, we have to do something.
It's I don't even want to criticize Trump.
All of my criticism of Trump is just like impatience.
It's just like, please, for the love, people need to be behind bars.
We don't have that much time.
These people are insane and they're openly threatened to be tyrannical, like Gavin Newsom and some of these people, Eric Swalwell and these people are like, you just wait till Democrats to get back in charge.
You're gonna regret ever kicking us out.
And it's like, what I already regret I ever like we like we have to.
We can't vote anymore guys like this, These people keep voting for these people.
Speaker 3We can't let that hat.
Speaker 1So no, it's it's absolutely insane when you talk about just like how what a good guy Charlie it was.
You know, it's to me, that's got to be such a overarching fuck, dude, I'm gonna break down.
It's such a arching bussing because like he went to Ron Paul's birthday party and that was a revelation to me of this ninety year old man who was just so beloved and so much sincere appreciation for him.
And it's like he was just a good dude.
He just said what he believed and he just raised a family and loved God.
And it's like that was Charlie Kirk.
And it's like he's never gonna get to me ninety dude.
Speaker 3It fucking sucks.
Speaker 4Yeah, I've already gone through my crying face.
So if if anybody thinks I being callous, I'm right there with you.
Harrison's It's been it's been excruciating, you know, And sorry, I'm trying not to get choked up.
So where do we go from here?
Speaker 3Man?
Speaker 4I mean, if Charlie Kirk is such a radical figure that he can be brutally murdered and you'll have millions of people celebrated.
I just got to point this out too, because I've actually made this point on Blair White's post this morning.
You know, she's saying I'm gonna call her she I'll be respectful.
She is saying that, you know, basically, she's just realized that we're surrounded by psychopaths.
And I'm like, I just want to remind people.
In twenty twenty one, twenty nine percent of Democrats supported, and we're talking tens of millions of Americans supported having our children taken away if we were refuse the COVID vaccine.
Speaker 3Twenty nine percent.
Speaker 4So when I say we're surrounded by millions of absolute dangerous lunatics that are willing to violate our rights in egregious way, if not take our lives, that's not exaggeration.
Speaker 3And it's not new.
Speaker 4It's been around for at least five years anyways.
Speaker 3Yeah.
No, So I'm in the same boat as you, dude.
Speaker 4I'm like Trump, I'm not trying to be a dict to you, man, I just need you to do what you promised, because if you don't, the future of my country, my family, my progeny, everything else hangs in the balance.
Speaker 1Yeah, well, and you know you're all about liberty.
I'm all about liberty.
Like it it is, I have this this visceral fear of being like, send the military after them, and then I just like feel the boot on my neck.
So you know, it's like, I don't you know, constitutionally, I don't want to do that, you know, And in my worldview, it's like that's the last thing I want.
Speaker 3I don't see what else we can do.
Speaker 1I you know, I've just lost faith in America because you would think if you're watching a show and somebody even moderately justifies the murder of a father who never hurt anybody, totally innocent, cold blood and murder in front of their children, you would think that the moment a pundit justified that even a little bit, it would be outrage the channel would show like nobody.
You would think that the American people would be outraged and horrified at that.
The fact that they're not is so disturbing to me because now I'm like, well, what do we do when it doesn't even matter if the people in charge are evil because people keep voting for the evil people, Like, what do we do when are are when they've reached critical mass amongst our population of the retarded?
Like what happens when when retardation reaches that critical mass?
Speaker 3And like you, you can't claw it back?
Like you can't.
Speaker 1What are we supposed to do when the country, Uh, the people that are supposed to keep our politicians in check themselves are like worse than the politicians.
Speaker 3I don't.
Speaker 1I don't honestly know, although I've been I've been really loving what Mike Cernovich has been saying, uh, and he's been rephrasing it a couple different ways.
But it's it's the simple idea of when a Jewish person was assaulted or yelled at at a campus in Florida, Republicans didn't wonder what to do.
Speaker 3Then.
Speaker 1They didn't throw their hands up and say, well, gosh, both sides better calm down.
Then they they did press conferences, they launched investigations, they launched lawsuits, they withheld money, they leaned on them, They demanded rule changes, they demanded statements.
It was not a question then, and that was nothing that shouldn't even have been a national story, even a local story that was literally an interpersonal scuffle for less than ten sec.
This is Charlie Kirk being murdered in cold blood in front of thousands of his fans, and they don't and they're not doing anything, and they're not even saying they're gonna do anything, and they're not even acting outrage.
They're actually telling us to calm down.
And it's like you've got to do something.
I'm not even sure what that is, but so far it's nothing.
And that's not acceptable.
And there needs to be pressure, continual pressure, and not even just when they kill one of us we get mad for a little while.
How about we start the pressure now and then we maintain it until we're at a place where we can feel safe outside with our families, like can we because that's liberty, you understand, That's liberty is to be able to go outside and enjoy the country.
So sorry, and I'm not yelling you, Glenn, So it's so infuriating.
Speaker 3I know it is.
Speaker 4It is, man, and I completely agree.
I mean that My concern is that, you know, and I've always made this argument that I don't want these hate crime laws for Jewish people, and I don't want them for black people, and I don't want them for white people.
The laws ought to be structured in a way that we're all protected, you know, and not protected from every accident or every crime.
You'll never be able to protect everybody from that.
But I'm just saying, like, if someone takes your life, I don't need some federal overwriting, overarching thing to you know, like who cares?
Just put the dude in prison, like this is how it should be working.
But instead, I think I think the point that you're made is that when there's an incursion into the Jewish community, they have demonstrated a capacity to move heaven and earth.
But if it's just some random white person, they're like, well, what are we gonna do?
Speaker 3You know?
Speaker 4And and I think that that if you've demonstrated the capacity, well then you don't have an excuse anymore.
Speaker 3You need to do something serious.
Speaker 4And I think it starts with can we actually take in Charlie's assassin alive?
Speaker 3And can we actually get answers as to that narrative?
Speaker 4And I'm telling you, if if they bring this dude in deceased, it's going to be real hard for me to believe anything.
Now, what do you I mean, just what are your thoughts about that?
Like what would you need to see or hear or know to actually be convinced that it's some random radical transactivist, because for me, it's going to be a stretch.
Speaker 3Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1I don't know if there is any I mean, hell, didn't they bring to your hands to your hand in alive, Denise, And it's been a couple decades in prison, that's true, you on the shooter.
So you know, it's like, I honestly haven't even thought about like when they bring him in.
I kind of just for me, it was a foregone conclusion.
We're eventually going to get the Steven Paddock Thomas Crooks style, you know, photo of the bloody head and that's it.
So what if they bring him in alive?
I you know, it didn't even that didn't even occur to me that it was a possibility.
Speaker 3Clint, I didn't even think about that.
It obviously is.
Yeah.
Speaker 4The only reason I think that it's a possibility is that this person tried to get away, you know, like so many so many of these events are suicide missions, Like they go in there trying to take out as many people as possible, and they're going to fall on their sword at the end.
Speaker 3Of it.
Speaker 4However that comes from by their own hand or from cops or whatever.
This person didn't do that.
I mean, this was well planned, quick escape and you've been you know, on the lamb for over a day now.
It's like they want to live, so maybe they don't go out that way.
Speaker 3Oh I wonder if that.
Speaker 1I wonder if it's a Luigi Mangioni thing, you know, I wonder if it's you know that that it was treated very differently, because you're right, I mean, normally, if you're gonna, you know, commit a daylight murder, you're you're ready.
Speaker 3To go out with the victims.
Speaker 1So the fact that he survived and then is in jail and they're painting, you know, murals of him, and he's getting sent naked images from you know, his women fans in prison.
I mean, I think the Luigian, the Luigi Mangioni murder and its response in the media has had devastating impacts that we're only going to start to begin to feel.
And if what we know so far about this shooting is accurate, I think they were highly and specifically motivated and inspired by Mangioni.
Speaker 3I think it's a fair assumption too.
Speaker 4And and also I mean, yeah, he's a healthcare CEO and maybe he's got he denied claims or something, so as if that's not what a business of insurance has to do, that you have to deny claims because you can't accept all claims or you go bankrupt.
But setting that aside, maybe they were denying more claims than they should have, and maybe they were actually causing tremendous human suffering.
And maybe this person made some bad decisions.
But still, no, Clint, all that know, all that changed?
Speaker 3You don't know that.
Speaker 1No, they they approve all of the procedures now because they killed the guy.
Speaker 3They killed that one guy, and now everything solved.
Clint.
Speaker 1Don't you know how political violence works.
It's so stupid.
It's like, what anything's gonna happen?
Speaker 3It is so stupid.
Speaker 4But anyways, the point I was trying to get to was that he was a father, you know exactly, and and and and a brutal just out of nowhere ending of their life, you know, so cowardly too for MENNGI only to be perceived as this hero where it's like in the I don't know if it was dead at night, but it was early morning or whatever to just walk up behind the guy and pop him in the back.
It's like, you're a piece of fucking shit.
You're just an absolute coward and a scumbag.
And for people to you know, lionize you or deify you as a consequence of it.
I think that was, you know, if it wasn't the lockdowns and the mandate and the parent or the child removal polling, the Maggio moment for me was like, Oh, we're in serious trouble, Like we are surrounded by people with murderous rage that do not care about your your life, lost your life, your children, that don't care about anything.
They want vengeance.
And then Charlie Kirk really lands close to home because he's this white political commentator that has, you know, positions that are not even as radical as your eyes.
Speaker 3And again same thing.
I'm man, it's scary.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 1Well, and and the the killing of the healthcare CEO.
You know, the the reason was I was saying that is because it's like, you're it's all the things that you said, and they're stupid and they don't have the capability of determining second order effects because you know, to me, isn't it kind of a beautiful thing that, like, in America, a billionaire and a school teacher can be walking down the street and they look exactly the same, and they interact exactly the same, and there's no noticeable difference between them.
Speaker 3Isn't that kind of nice?
Speaker 1Because you know, in third world countries, the billionaires land in a helicopter on the roof and they never walk on the ground, and they're surrounded by bodyguards all the time, and they go from limo to limo, And it's like one of the beautiful things about America that we've lost a lot of, you know, in a long We've been losing it for a very long time.
But the ethos of America is the billionaire and the construction worker can sit down next to each other at a diner and have a conversation and be equal in all, by all, in all, you know, for all intents and purposes, they are equal, you know, beings.
And when you kill a guy in cold blood, the only thing that happens is every other CEO, every other executive on that board, gets a bonus so they get private security, so they don't have to interact with the little people anymore.
They're literally creating the conditions of the socialist, dystopian, tyrannical hell world that they think they're fighting against, because I remind you they are stupid and that's the hardest thing to get over.
Speaker 3I really did.
Speaker 1And they've just radicalized everybody with Charlie Kirk.
And I mean, it's like, guy, I literally it's like, for your own sake, you've got to stop.
Speaker 3I'm not united.
Speaker 1It's like, this is advice I'm giving you, but it's got to stop.
Speaker 4I agree, And and it's it's not You're not going to derate If they think Charlie Kirk's radical, you aren't gonna deradicalize us by brutally murdering him in front of our eyes.
I promise you that that's not how you de radicalize people.
It's like if you were to, I'm not even gon do hypotheticals because I'll get accused of things.
I'm just saying political violence is a fucking dead end, and it's it's it's going to end up backfiring in a way at some point that is absolutely horrific.
And for the record, the reason I'm saying that is not a threat, it's a warning.
I don't want that to happen.
I don't want to live in a country like that where there's tit for tet political violence that escalates.
Particularly we're not even talking about politicians, We're talking about political commentators.
A guy who just fucking talked into a microphone and sat in front of you and and was very kind and like patiently debated with thousands of college students over the years and was just totally not anything that you should have feared.
And I think I think that's the thing that concerns me most is that, like you know, Charlie Kirk really embodied the idea of like use your words, not your fists.
Like he he represented true like the classical liberal pro democracy.
We're gonna sit down and we're gonna have a legitimate, respectable debate.
I'm gonna bring my facts, you're gonna bring yours, and we're gonna see who's got the better ideas.
Speaker 3Like that is that is.
Speaker 4A That's the only way you have peace, is that if we settle our differences verbally, we don't pick up weapons.
And you took a weapons against the guy who only used his words.
What the fuck were you thinking?
Speaker 2I'm just flesh and bone, But more importantly, I'm a soul and that soul is accountable to one being.
I mean, I've had an unbelievably blessed life.
Been doing this now it will be twelve years on June.
Speaker 3Fish.
Such a young man to do it.
Speaker 2Yeah, so praise God.
I mean, I've I've been all across the world.
I've met with world leaders, a flown in Air Force one, got to know a president.
Speaker 3I have an amazing family.
Speaker 2The podcast turning point, you will say, is all that stuff, and so you experienced that, and you're like, what actually matters.
What matters is your relationship with the divine, your relationship with your family, your kids, and maybe a close collection of friends, and your relationship with the truth.
Speaker 3You know.
Speaker 1And to point out a potential silver lining of this and a potential good that could come out of this.
Not only is I think it's it's helping to unify the right a little bit.
A lot of people that ask him a week ago, they would have had very harsh words to say about Charlie Kirk are expressing their admiration for the way I'm off his life.
Yeah, and it's am I to be honest with you, I had a lot of Cristians with Charlie.
But the other thing is I really hope, and this might be hope in Vain.
I really hope it's waking up democrats to who they're in bed with.
Speaker 3I really I've.
Speaker 1Seen some videos.
I hope people are looking around and going, is this my side?
Speaker 3Wait?
Speaker 1My side's the one laughing at the man murdered in from one of his children.
Maybe you know, maybe I need to look at that.
Maybe I need to extrapolate that and go, what what else does this spirit inform about my side?
Because I hope, I hope and pray that it backfires that doing this.
Actually, I think that's the solution.
Actually, I think the only solution is to make them regret it.
I think it's to make it very abundantly and undeniably clear that political assassinations make everything worse for the people who do it.
Okay, And I mean, you are going to see Charlie Kirk's face every day for the rest of your life.
And that's what I want to see.
I want to see Charlie Kirk's face on billboards.
I want to see him.
I want to see us, like you know, do a minute of silence for him before every republican event for the next ten years, Like we need to shove Charlie Kirk down the left's throat to remind them that you want to kill somebody, you're going to make them immortal and you're going to have to lose to them forever.
Okay, so stop taking shortcuts in the political sphere.
I really think that's a message we have to teach them.
Speaker 4Yeah, And you know, my fear is that the same people that think Charlie Kirk's is dangerous radical also think that Trump is Hitler and he's a fascist and blah blah blah blah.
But it's like it's like, if you just start whacking in public ways, peaceful random political commentators on the right that have big followings, you're gonna get fascism.
Like, you're gonna get laws literally absolutely make your life miserable.
What the fuck are you doing?
Like do you think this is gonna lead to anything that I want or you want?
And it's just like it's like they have no they have no strategy.
It's just pure like I'm hurt, so I'm gonna hurt.
That's it.
That's the entire logic.
It's it's childish, it's really, it's really concerning.
Speaker 3I don't remember.
Speaker 1I feel like I either saw you say something about this, or maybe we talked about it.
Speaker 3I don't even remember.
Speaker 1But I think you'll understand exactly what I'm saying is the same thing you just expressed, because I've been feeling this with the judges when it comes to Trump and these judges stepping in to stop Trump's orders, and I'm like, guys, you're making me want there not to be judicial review anymore.
Like you're getting me pissed off at the concept of judicial review.
I cannot, you know, let you do that.
It's important we have judicial review.
So stop abusing it, Like it's very simple.
Stop abusing the things that you like, you absolutely moron.
Speaker 4So yeah, well strategy, And it's like I think you're referencing, you know, either the deportation regime or so so much of the you know, judicial malfeasance that exists when he was out of power too, all of the well, yeah they were throwing the kitchen sink at him, but now that he is in power, they're doing kind of the same thing and stole stonewalling him every step of the way.
And yeah, it's just like the whole system is kind of breaking down as a consequence of you know, activists and radicals, and I guess you know, there's there's historical examples going back to you know, pre Soviet Russia.
Speaker 3You know, I just don't want to.
I don't want to go down that path.
Speaker 1I know, and people like you and me and Alex Jones, I mean, we have been decrying this and warning about this and trying desperately to lead to a better path forever.
And we could call Nazis for it, which is very just perfect, you know, all right, just to literally joining desperately to pull you away from fascism and you're like, shut up, Nazis, you go right over the waterfall.
Speaker 3It's just insane.
Speaker 1So you know, we we've been we've been pulling that direction.
We've been trying to make that argument, and you know, I guess they're gonna there.
I don't know they're gonna learn one way or another.
But uh, I really I really hope that Trump fulfills his mandate and just and just does something to try to mitigate this, this disaster that we have on our hands, this rising tide of what I would consider a third world is.
I mean, you look at Mexico, like a hundred people get murdered every time they have an election.
It's totally normal down there.
Bribes are normal, Murdering your opponents is normal.
Good, you know, we could transnational terrorists, drug gangs are normal.
That's what life is like in Mexico, and that's what we are slowly becoming.
And I love living in a world where Okay, I'm sorry, this this is what this is my point I was trying to make.
Speaker 3It relies on vulnerabilities.
Speaker 1Our society is good because it's vulnerable, because it has ability, it has possibilities for people to take advantage of it.
And if people take advantage of it, we can't have those vulnerabilities anymore.
We can't trust each other or have you know opens the classic you know, like put your money in the can and take a piece of produce.
Thing that only works if people willingly and out of their own conscience put the money in the can, because nobody can make them.
And if you steal all the fruit, there's not gonna be any fruit anymore.
So it's like, if the people don't have the internal moral compass to guide their behavior, then you have to have laws.
The laws are always going to turn tyrannical.
And so when you have these vulnerabilities in our system that the left thinks it's clever and powerful to take advantage of to abuse their power because they can, they technically can, so they will, and so we have to remove that power or you know, create new laws to stop them.
And it's all about the moral foundation of our country absolutely crumbling, and we do not have a system that allows for that.
Speaker 3Think.
Speaker 4I think what it is is like basically what you're describing is not a racially homogeneous but a morally homogeneous civilization, like we have to we have to share a moral worldview or else our system is I don't know if it was Sam John Adams who I don't remember who said it, but basically like this, our structure of government is unfit for anybody other than a very moral religious people or something like that.
And it feels like that's where we're at, Like we are at that point that he warned that this system will not fucking work unless you guys keep your shit together, and we have not kept our shit together.
Speaker 1And I always think of a I always tell this story, but it's one that always pops up to me.
The Golden State Killer was killing people in this neighborhood.
And this girl says to her grandmother, you know, you should lock your door.
This guy's prowling around killing people.
You should really lock your door.
And the grandmother says, I don't want to live in a country where I have to lock my door.
I never locked my door before, and I refuse to live in a country where I feel unsafe with my neighbors.
And that night, the grandmother strangle to death by the Golden State Killer.
And it's like that's kind of where we're at now, where it's like, I don't want to live in a country like this, but I do.
Speaker 3I just do.
Speaker 1So, you know, I got I guess I have to accept that and work to change it because the fact is, you got to lock your door.
We got to take take measures to protect ourselves so we can survive and create a world that is safe.
Speaker 4Basically, accept the reality of it, but don't accept the condition of it.
Don't accept that this is permanent and more normal yeah, yeah, or let it be normalized.
And I think, you know, if you want to really avoid third world ism, well then Cash fucking Patel needs to bring this person in a live and we need to find real answers as to what transpired.
We cannot have yet another Butler Pennsylvania like mish Mash, obvious cover up, nonsense thing.
Speaker 1Uh.
Speaker 4We have to have we have to have real justice.
And and you know, not even for me or you or the rest of us, just starting with Charlie Kirk and his family and his children.
I mean, they deserve answers, They deserve justice, and if they can't have justice, then none of us will.
And it's going to be it's going to be really, really dangerous if that doesn't happen.
So as critical as I've been of Cash and the FBI, for the first time in your life, you're gonna hear a libertarian rooting for you guys.
Speaker 3Do your fucking jobs.
People.
Speaker 4We need it right now.
There's the fallest country you may hang in the balance.
It's crazy, man.
Speaker 1That's all we want.
We're just begging you to do your jobs.
Please please.
I am rooting for you one damn job.
All right, Well, Harrison, you're one of my favorites.
Please tell people where they can, you know, check out your show, follow your work everything else.
Well, I'm I'm currently doing the American Journal on info Wars dot Com Forward Slash Show, but as of next week this is an exclusive.
Speaker 3Oh let's go.
Speaker 1I will be hosting the war Room in the afternoon, so I'll be taking over where Shore was in the afternoons and we'll have somebody else take over the morning.
So I will be hosting the war Room.
Thank you very much.
I'm very excited.
I have been waiting five years to be able to sleep in.
It's my dudes, I'm such a night owl, like even on the weekends now, I stay up till two am.
Speaker 3And yet every day Monday through Friday, wake up morning morning.
Uh, disc jockeys blow my mind.
I would die trying to get brutal.
It's brutal.
Speaker 1So I'm very very happy moving back.
But follow me on Twitter at Harrison H.
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Speaker 3Awesome.
Speaker 4Well, its coverage, you guys.
The coverage you guys do all the time is tremendous.
And uh, for those that don't watch, I hope that they will.
But I have to ask before you get out of here, because I think it's you know, the audience would be pissed at me, and I would I'm actually curious.
You know, I had Owen booked to do my show a month ago.
I screwed up like a time zone thing, and I just I messed up anyways, so it didn't happen.
Speaker 3But you know, I'm a big fan of both you guys.
Speaker 4I'm a big fan of Alex too, Like, what what are you feelings about, you know, him leaving and everything else.
Speaker 1Uh, I'm bummed, you know, honestly, I'm I'm bummed about it.
I think he's been wanting to go for a while, and I think I think he was.
You know, it's been it's been tough for all of us.
Like it really has been very difficult working for a job where you don't know what's happening, and like there have been you know, probably a year ago I had to come to terms with like I don't know what the hell's gonna happen.
I can't listen to the announcements anymore.
Like as long as my key card gets me in the building, then we're still here and I have to work.
But it's been a real roller coaster, and I think I myself.
Speaker 4That's got to be stressful to live like that, where you you don't even know if your job's going to be there the next week.
Speaker 3Yeah, you know it.
Speaker 1It's been a very long time, and it honestly sucks.
It's you know what it's like.
It's like it's like fake as executions, where like they bring this soul of the prisoner out and put him on the block, and and.
Speaker 4The governor calls every every morning and says, hey.
Speaker 1That's exactly and then and then up all right back to your cell.
And so then like the fourth time you're let out, you're like, will you drop the blade already?
Please, for the love of God, this is interminable.
So, you know, I think I think I think I was in this mindset, and I think Owen was even more in the mindset of like a year ago we like came to terms with and fours being over, like I was like, oh shit, okay, you know, I have to go solo now.
And I think he was kind of in that mindset.
And this is speculation, this is not from him, but from my perception, I think he was kind of like ready to go a year ago, and for the last year he's just been like waiting to see what happens and just itching to like go out on his own.
I think he's just ambitious.
He wants to build his own thing.
He feels like he's under the shadow of Alex.
He wasn't censored, but he never said he was censored.
I thought Alex went overboard obviously.
I think he you know, he's very emotional about it.
I think he was being truthful and how he felt at the time.
But and it's been frustrating having people, you know, just anytime anything happens with him for us, I just get a ton of shit about like being a massad.
Speaker 3Agent and shit.
Speaker 1And it's just so that's that's an annoying and I feel and I feel like if there's one thing that I would criticize Owen for, it's like the issue of video saying you weren't censored, because people believe that and then other people hear it and stop supporting us and don't listen to us, or whistleblowers won't trust us.
You know, it really actually muges our brand if people think that we're censored and we're not.
Speaker 3So he didn't say, he never said we were.
By the way, Owen never said we were, but he I watched I watched the stream.
Speaker 4Yeah, I've never I don't think I've ever watched the stream for as long as I did.
Speaker 3It was a good string.
Yeah.
Speaker 4Well no, no, I did it because I wanted to understand.
I wanted to understand what happened because I'm such a fan of all you guys.
And I was like, all right, I got to hear his side of the story, you know, I want to make sure that I hear it.
And I don't think that he said that, like he he hinted at basically like there was just what it sounded to me like was that he wanted to run his own shit and Alex Alex was like, I have a guest that I think should be on your show or that could be on your show.
That's a big, high profile guest.
And it's like, well, that's not that's not censorship.
That's like that's nothing.
That's like, that's what happens on a network.
I've gotten these big guests.
They're going to be in town.
I think that it'd be a good fit for you.
Are you interested?
You know, like, that's not censorship.
So it seems to me like he wanted to you know, he wanted to get out of the nest, so to speak, and this that it's started to create a clash a bit.
And honestly, I think that all of you guys are awesome, and I think that you're all going to go on to create and produce incredible things.
And I'm just I hope that there can be a peace treaties signed, especially in the aftermath of Charlie and everything else that we've seen.
I hope that they can find that love that I know they once had, because I think that the country needs it and I need it personally.
So I'm rooting for you guys.
Speaker 1I totally agree, and I love Owing.
I think he's going to be hugely successful in whatever he does.
I admire him greatly, and he and I are like the same age, Like you start working for him for Wars like year before me.
I have the best memories of like Chantilly, Virginia, Builderberg, like sitting down on the little patio of the motel drinking a twenty four pack and like chain smoking cigarettes when I first started working at Info Wars, just like you know, just staying up all night chatting with Owen.
I mean, it's we we've been We've had some very good times being chased by crazy communists in New York.
Speaker 3Uh, so we miss him.
I miss him, you know.
Speaker 1I I'm sad that he left, but I understand.
Here's what I'll say.
Neither one of them is lying.
Wrap your mind around that one.
Speaker 3Neither Own nor Alex is lying.
Speaker 1They're both being totally truthful about their perspective of the situation.
And uh and I have heard nothing behind the scenes that contradicts anything they say on camera.
That's a beautiful thing about Info Wars.
If people are like, uh, you know, like it's funny Alex.
If if Alex is gonna censor us, he does it on his show by going, you know, the other the other shows are talking about Israel twenty four to seven, And I said, it's fine, they can talk about whatever they want, but like, I'm not gonna do that.
Speaker 3And so I'm sitting there in the office like, thank you, Alex.
I get it.
Speaker 1I hear you, you know, but that's how we And so then I go on my show and go, you know a Jade was saying, I spend too much time on Israel.
But here's why I think guys should like that's how we talk to each other.
Speaker 3So that's beauty than bores that watch watch John.
Yeah, yeah, no exactly.
Speaker 4I think that that you guys all add something really special and unique.
And I'll stop blowing you guys and just say I wish all the best.
I think that Bars is awesome, and I think Owen's awesome, and I think you guys are all going to crush.
Anyways, if anybody enjoyed this episode, which you should have because it was revelatory on multiple levels, please do with the like button, subscribe and share it around, and thank you again for your time.
Harrison.
I wish you and your family the best.
I wish our country the best, and I most urgently wish Charlie Kirk and his family and his children justice and also the best and God's grace.
Speaker 3Lord knows we need it right now.
We'll see you guys soon.
Pease and man, have thirty seconds left to live.
I'm dying from a gunshot wound.
But what would you actually want to tell me if I have thirty seconds left to live?
Speaker 2In thirty seconds, you're about to meet eternal judgment.
And so you got ten seconds left the dying from a gunshot and there's only one way that you can get bailed out of that.
Speaker 3That's not all the good things you did or the moral scorecard.
Speaker 2It's whether or not you have Jesus Christ is your Lord.
Speaker 3Say and as people anything that's matter.
How do you want to be removed?
You thought, die, I.
Speaker 2Want to be I want to be remembered for for courage from my faith that that would be the most important, most important thing is m