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Leichhim Sholom of yourself.

OK, So thank you very much for being here.

We had some Munius Vyakovim when we tried to do it on the via the Internet, but I think it's better because now we're doing it face to face pandem upon them so.

However it happens, that's how it's supposed to happen.

Exactly.

And that's, that's actually, I feel like that's connected to you because the way you ended up being who you are, because that that's the way it was supposed to happen.

And you as well and everybody, the real challenge is what were we going to do with that situation?

And for that you need a rebel and a Mashpia and a good friend.

And you have to be honest with yourself.

That's what you need in order to find what do I do with everything that brought me to this second where I am now.

OK, so I I think we should talk about that.

Maybe you can tell me a little bit what brought you to the other, like how, how how that happened?

Well, I'm my parents.

Alain Mashallah, my father was born in Russia, but he came to America and as a teenager in 1917 January and Tavis Sorber Tavis, he was was his day and he studied to be a lawyer at Fordham University at the top law school.

He's a brilliant, brilliant person in order that he should be able to be self-employed and be able to keep Shabbos.

And my mother, Lashallem was born in New York and I was born and brought up in Williamsburg, which was quite a Jewish neighborhood, much more diverse than it is today.

And I went to Yeshiva Tori Vidas, a good from school and at the age of 15, that was in the summer of Tuftschen Tesvov 1955.

My mother-in-law, Shalom sent us probably the first time they could afford it.

They really were very pressured financially.

It's post depression years until the 50s until the Tuftschen youths sent us the camp.

And in Williamsburg, Rabbi Marshall Lazar was a bocha.

He's very active in the Aguda.

And he, he was the whole all.

The in the camp.

And he was in, in the, in, in Williamsburg itself.

And he was also.

He wasn't a Bachman 770.

He was a Bachman 770, but he was his Haphazua, like many other people in those days of Lubavitch was there in Williamsburg.

He did whatever he did.

He was being Makar people.

He was from there.

In the in the Pereira Agudis Israel on Bedford Ave.

616 Bedford Ave.

and for example, if they had a they put out like a a monthly little journal a little the hair so-called, but he would put in a Hasidic input.

For example, they had an article about Cittis.

So it also had that.

It's a beautiful mimic to sleep with Cittis and like not Cassidim.

I'm not very aware of that, but in generally speaking he is a person with Yiddish Mayim and true Alva siseral and a sense of and my mother had a very high opinion of him.

So he went to Camp Aguda because he was there.

But he was involved in Williamsburg because he was from this, that's how.

He he lived in Williamsburg a couple of few blocks.

Away he.

Was involved in in youth activities and.

And he was in Camp Aguda, so.

He was in Camp Aguda.

I don't know what his role was even doesn't make a difference.

He could have been the truck driver, he could have been the learning director, probably.

But he was there and he had a spiritual position.

He ran the Onic Shabbi's The show Shudders, singing the guonym Things.

And the next year, as is known, he came to the Rebel with the idea of making a camp.

And they called him in famous stories about how the origins of Camp Ghana, Israel, you know, it's almost almost 70th, starting the 70th year this year.

This is the 70th year actually this summer.

And so my mother heard that they're making that Baba Lazar is making a camp.

So we went to Aguda and not because it was Aguda, but because it was Lazar.

And the next year he went to Camp Ganyesuwel.

I was a counselor.

I was 16 1/2 years old and I was not the youngest counselor.

And.

That changed by the time I was a.

Standard, but between that camp and Camp Aguda itself a year earlier, meaning Tovshin Tezvov.

That's when I really met Labarich was sort of something hardly knew about, you know, it's it's one of the there are a lot of groups.

There were plenty of groups in Williamsburg as well that were just coming building up and we knew that Labarich are people that are known for Avarici's role, but it was quite remote from my personal experience in Camp Aguda.

It's Mayor Guerrari, Rabbi Garari de Mashpia today.

Montreal.

Montreal.

So he was at the same like group with me and he told me that there's somebody, there's the.

The Bachman 770 would all go to Cambogoda.

People went to that's the there were there were very few choices of camps to go to.

This is one of the handful of from boys Jewish camps and after Murkish Lucas, a lot of Bahram would go for a week or two to these camps as guests.

And obviously while they were there, they did have Arthur Samayonas.

One of the Bahram that was there in Camp Aguda that summer was a Baha by the name of Beryl Shemtev.

And so he was older by several years.

He's 4-5 years older than us.

And at night we're waiting for a Shia when we have, you know, Bakov Teitelbaum used to give a Shia every evening.

So you may have told me, look, we're starting a Shia in Tanya with Rava Shemtev and the guests are Chuva.

And the was there in the camp also.

He was a guest.

He was a guest.

He aftermath, I guess he he was there as a guest.

Yeah, I read in a week or two.

I read in the from Tashenyud.

He writes also that he was in this in a good for a few.

Weeks.

Then he goes to the camp.

He read, he wrote that.

All right, he went to the camp and I consider myself very much I was Torvidas literish ideologically.

The idea of going to a time to to join something different than where I was quite comfortable was a very radical idea.

Your father was like a was was my.

My my father was he never learned in actually Shiva.

He's a deep, deep Eurasia Mayim and he also was the idea safely.

He made his own Sia Mayor Plaiser as a brother.

His father Pinterest studied in Valajan and Mir in 1890s OK, so you're Tafresh Nunes and he he was he studied and he knew closely.

He was known by Brian Brisker and then it's if these people.

It was very literary, the family, but my mother's side, they were from Prestburg, her father learned in yeshiva in Hungary, in Prestburg and his father but Iqsaf Sueva.

So for generations, but you know, it was, it was and the atmosphere told with us, it was, you know, it was just wasn't anti anything, but it was.

I sort of had an identity both at home and in my yeshiva and in the the groups in the pair.

I used to go with, you know, activities.

I was not looking.

I was looking to learn, you know, that's nice.

But so this idea was so radical that the kind of person I am.

I said yes, Dafka because it was so utter.

He asked me, would you come and I went and we learned that summer the whole iguera satchuva meta see him at the end.

It was very beautiful.

About must have been about 10:15 Bochum that came in one of the rooms there, I think to a mixed feeling from the camp authorities about it.

I think they didn't want parents to say, you know, a kid to a cop somewhere else, whatever.

I don't know.

I tell you one thing.

There were things going on there which were, euphemistically speaking, Bosunsaki.

No, you know a lot less than Tanya Shiura that was going in the evening.

I thought the problems only started these days.

I didn't realize the the problems then too.

They were a different form, you know, and it wasn't born.

It kept the Mendel, Footova said about the Thai was there in Ghanaian already, right?

So that's how I avoid, that's how I work to overcome all those external and internal impulses that we're supposed to overcome.

So anyway, we had this cheer, we finished it and at the end of the summer.

So Beryl Shemtev was giving the cheer.

Beryl Shemtev gave the sheer and made us see him.

We learned through Iguera Satuva and before Rosh Hashanah, which is a few weeks later after we left camp.

Let's see, a month later he sent me I could be I still have it, a small little Chan lataiva and with a handwriting just like the Rebbe's handwriting, I subsequently realized, and a small black pocket Tanya and we were invited to continue learning Tanya in the yeshiva.

Now, this was in in a dormitory on a Wednesday night.

It was, you know, it was an open secret in yeshiva, but it was outside a study that was after.

They wouldn't allow it in the.

After limo decoil, after going home, doing your home, it was it

was 8:30 or 9:00 at night.

There was shiurim going on, but even before that, or simultaneously, Ichimer called me up and invited me to come to the Fibrengen of the Rebbe on the second night of Khalimuritsukus, he said.

That's a special occasion which is geared and associated with Bahram from all yeshivas.

It's not just for Habad specifically.

And that.

And I said fine, I've come that.

So that was the first.

Time those years, the Rebus tablengin.

And how am I?

It will be for Benet Ha Yeshiva.

That yeah, it's all the years, all the years.

And you see it in the series and even you see in Poland, it was in Tamkritz Minim.

But the rebel Habeng that all nights Habeng in, you know, 11 hour of Habeng or something was was calamoid Sukis for Tamidim Tamimim.

It wasn't for Anash especially.

And it's now going to be 70 years, the coming calamoid Sukis that I saw the Halo going and heard the rebbes first see her.

It was really in a sense when you look back, you see key moments.

It was a transitional moment.

It was a key moment in my life, he said.

Heimte that ever I was there a couple of hours.

What?

Was what was it like?

What was that moment like?

It was I, I was a fun boy, you know, I went to the show every morning.

I was in time with us, was happy.

I had, I had a teacher, Rabbi Palm, I've Rome Palm.

Was that my teacher in the in the 11th grade and he was the best teacher I had.

It was really, really ahead of his time and he was good person and he also he overcame resist.

He went to see the rabbit at moments when he his own circles.

He was a person with he invited us to his house for a Molok in groups of two.

He he had he was ahead of his times.

I think in how to relate to American Bachman that I was finished that year then and just going into ABBA Shapiro learning your promise that that year and but I was also an American boy and I was in three sports and this and that and that day was a turning point that night.

That's why Brennan was a turning point in my life.

I don't like to bring in Calipa, Shabba Calipa, but that was the day that the Dodgers won the World Series for the first time.

And the whole Fabregan, which was in the Sokka, there was, and this Brooklyn Knights was very, very much Dodger country.

And they were, they were honking horns, the entire Fabregan in the background.

And to me it was an end of something which is empty, meaningless, just something to waste time with, you know, maybe harmless, but it's certainly meaningless and the beginning of everything.

But it took me years to actually appreciate that.

And it was encouragement of people like it's mayor than others.

And there we had they they teach.

There were several groups in tahridas.

I mean, Rabbi Nachman Tsudak was a bocher.

He had a class that wasn't mine, like Udel Krinsky.

You have a class.

The others, Moshe Bogomilsky, I think maybe himself.

And I studied most of the two years that.

Moshe Bogomilsky, student in Telvidas.

Earlier, earlier, he was, yeah, we had a connection, yeah, from the family connection there.

And the person that I learnt with most, almost all of those two years was Rabbi Geshiementel Garelick Olavasholam.

And he had a very, very profound effect.

He would tell stories, he would bring tapes, bring a tape then wasn't a little iPhone or something, or it was a wall and sock.

One of these big heavy tape recorders, he play the Negan Haneda Salolo as sung in 770.

The Aduma gave a lot of this.

He told stories about that ever and you saw his love for that and he taught the Jacidas that it was Tanya that we were learning and a classmate of mine who lived on the same St.

The next block, Rabbi Yosef Nachman Rotenberg, very, very big going and he was very close to Lubavitch and he had had a cashier with the Reba.

He's a Dian indeed for Schleimer.

He's in Baltimore for many decades.

So he but he and I were Javerian.

We're very, very close friends and we went to the Tanya Shiudam and we would walk home and walk Gescher Mendel to the bus stop on Roebling St.

It was late at night, you know,

starting at 11:00 at night maybe when we got there after this year and we insisted on paying the 15 cents or whatever it was his car fare that he paid for the bus.

But he would stand there and sometimes one and two or three.

There were times he was here till maybe one 2:00 in the morning and he was talking.

He had to push it away.

So that was one thing besides the issue also when everything was Kaitial Bracha shall come to in a minute.

The first time I actually met that ever face to face was a few months later by Kaitial Bracha.

But that ever would give Fortora Vadas in a one of these half gallon bottles and he would pour in some wine and add some more and then they would make if I bring in and with good goshmias in a nearby shul.

I remember I never counted, but I I I can imagine there were anywhere between 50 and 75 Buchran that would come after after the yeah, after after the founder every gave the we we could be a few weeks later.

You know, they worked out what was a a a suitable time.

And and so sometimes guess mentor would also for bring there in Williamsburg.

He was generally pretty careful.

That didn't take much care very much or anything, but the one time he did and you know, it was it was very interesting what he said to the rough who he was giving us his apartment or something anyway, so that you know, that had a a big effect already that first year Toshin Tezayan, I was at 7 Fibrengans Tezayan Simras Besoscho Ava, which I mentioned.

That was the first.

And then there was Yutas Kislev, which was in the Gay Heart Ballroom, which was on the corner of Nostrand and Eastern Parkway.

And then there was Yutvat also in the same hall probably.

And then there was Purim.

Now all of those four were during the week.

You can take a bus there.

But then I also walked on Akhenatra Pesak and also on 2nd day Shivares and he based Thomas so who?

Do you walk with?

In Williamsburg there were a lot of families.

You know, over the years the Blasowskis lived in Williamsburg to what with them Lady years, you know, Shabbas, him, the whole family would walk.

Simcha Zurkin lived in Williamsburg, a real similar, but he didn't walk.

I was unfortunately disabled, but we had a fibrangian probably a little bit a few years later than that, twice a year, like Shreyas Alpesar Knight and Shabba Shalimar Tsukis or something, but Pesar tsukis in wheels the house in Rutledge St.

and.

He was he was part of mosquitos like he he was.

He was he.

Worked for the devil, right?

He worked for Americas.

I don't know if that was his only job.

I don't, I don't, I never.

He's buried in London, actually in in Enfield Cemetery.

There's an article in the hair If we did it on him.

Yeah, a few years ago.

I remember, I remember, but I remember the article.

I don't remember the details.

I remember him right.

I remember many things that he said at these Barbarians because he was close also with the Satmadov and he used to, you know, bring messages sometimes.

But so there was a group there was there was Shmuel Lazar, Marshall Lazar had a brother whose birthday was Yid Alaf Nissan, I remember.

And he lived in Williamsburg.

So he was like the like the the Shishas from the food company.

They had a connection, a lot of these people.

This is you're talking here about the 1950s and early 60's, the youths and the Huffs.

It was not many years after you schwa.

They do the Frida Krebe from Vienna or something, some of them.

So you had six Feblingins?

I I I don't remember who I worked with.

Right.

So, but you had six Feblingins that first year, 77 Feblingins.

There was so every test Kislevy Schwaat Purim, Archangel Pacer.

Then there was Chauvous, which was a very, very historic Fibrenia was right after the tragedy of the other Hamisha of the the terrible tragedy in Quahabad.

And the rebel announced that that Fibrenian that he's going to be sending Schluchem 12 Schluchem he sent to it as well.

That's some and that's a whole chapter in itself.

And then Jubis Tamos was also very historic and a thing which is not known.

It was the beginning of Camp Ganyesraul and thereby went to camp on to Zion Thomas that year before the first trip went out.

There's the IT was in Ellenville, the first Ganyesraul ever.

Now what's not that well known, It was Give Me Thomas.

If I remember correctly, it was on a Thursday, pretty sure, and at the end of the Forbanga.

It must be one o'clock.

2:00 in the morning, Marshall Lazar comes over to me.

He knew me from Williamsburg, he said.

You're you're, you're part of the camp.

I was going to be a counsellor and the the very first staff meeting of that camp, the beginning of the staff meeting, wasn't addressed by Rabbi Khodorkov.

It was in 676 Eastern Parkway, the dining room of the yeshiva and Rabba Khadikov came in and took a look around.

Where is that 676 Eastern Parkway?

Where a few few houses.

Between Brooklyn and New York Pump It's on the side of 770 between Brooklyn and New York.

The This was a staff meeting.

Today it's it's on the side of 770 between Brooklyn and New York.

That's where it's on the side of 770.

Between Brooklyn and New York, Yeah.

And but that was where the dormitory, and there was another dormitory in Lincoln and Troy as well.

But this is like the main dormitory.

The dining room was there.

I once got a ride with Rabbi Rabble Shemtev from the aisle and he was telling us about how the Rabbi visited the dorm.

The rabbi How the rabbi visited the dorm in on Lincoln.

And when there was flu I of M Kipper.

No, a different time.

The rabbi just did a surprise visit, and as he was, he was driving us.

As he was telling us a story, he made a sharp right and drove us to the to the dorm to show us which house it is at.

The debit was there.

Go ahead.

Right.

So Rabakhalakov walked in.

It was a Friday afternoon.

I was still in paradise yet for more than a year beyond that.

But I came there for this meeting.

And Rabakhalakov looked around the room and they were all like basically young people, you know, 1718 year olds, you know, those are the older councillors.

And he told a story that the Freda Kareba once spoke to a group of Asconim in maybe was in Riga.

And he said that ever the Freda Kareba said you are fantastic people with a lot of cores.

He says you have one Hissorin, you're young, but with the site, let's take the soy's collection time will clear that as well, right?

So he said that to us as well over the years.

I thought it was a very beautiful way to begin that.

I was watching a Feblingian ubis tamos Feblingian and the rebel said the Lamas base.

The rebel says the opposite.

The rebel gives a whole about Tafka the younger.

Tafka the young can do afat semayanis and then and the next Zika, the rabbit says.

And even the older people can also, because they can act young.

So the rabbit flipped.

Flipped it.

It was like a Jew not not horse it at all, but he said that he met a lot of habadniks.

He said they're all 40 years old.

They said what do you mean?

He says the 20 year olds are wise like a 40 year old and the 60 year olds are energetic like a 40 year old Anyway, so let's come back to that for bringing after the you'd be accomplished.

And this was a couple of weeks later.

It was days before camp starting the meeting.

Camp's about to start the.

Meeting with Rabekov, Yeah.

The new with Rabekov was a few a few weeks before camp was the first staff meeting so.

You're going back to when the.

Dev now yeah that was you base Thomas and at the end of that and it was a very fantastic for bringing I think Zamanch is always there as well but the MIMA Hawaii believe it's my favorite.

Well, it's one of my favorite you based on was my modem very, very special Mima very right, but the Rambam anyway, not that I followed it then, but the subsequent I learned it, but I was there.

It was it was an experience at the end of that I bring in that's I think it was a Thursday night and it must have been 10-15 minutes.

Maybe I I don't maybe I wasn't go back to Williamsburg with my shoes on.

I used to take buses anyway.

I used to go home by public transport and when I was in term with us, I never was late the next morning.

And that meant after chakras, even if I slept 3 hours that night, because I didn't want them to think that somebody who associates himself with Lubavitch is using that as a, as a way to, you know, to miss a day of, of, of.

And at that point, you're already considering yourself associated with Lubavitch.

And you'd Zion after after camp it it tells Zion they knew I was close.

I look, I you know, I had a circle with people in Maggie de Shiura and a lot of these types of people.

But we were close to each other and people knew I had it.

In fact, a few years later I met somebody who I was very close with and talking with us.

And he said to me, he wasn't blaming me.

So I just wanted to understand why did you become Lubavitch?

What was missing?

What did, what was wrong with what you had before he was.

So I said I did not drop a single thing by coming to Lubavitch.

I said, On the contrary, I said the same feeling became a different feeling.

The same Gamora became a different Gamora.

They said, well, the the experiences of before were given a completely deeper meaning.

I said, so it's not that I abandoned or I, I, I left anything that I had before.

It was the context.

It was some some that ever showed how it's like the the Moyda Ani Sira and Yonge Hotel succeed this it's it's the idea that Khasidis and Chabad imposed in learning in Asconus and everything it it introduces a person to a deeper dimension.

Says that it's the premius.

In Toyota, it says that every area of terror becomes deeper and different as a result of the way you look at it.

API Khsidis It's not.

It's one of the four Chatham is so it's something.

It's neither which which is penetrates everything.

The Shamim of Appaya.

It's it's so and this is in life generally, it's a way of looking at life.

It's a way of seeing meaning in, in, in things which otherwise would just be, you know, perfunctory, just regular.

And anyway, so Marshall Azar comes to me at the end of this for bringing.

It must be 1:30 in the morning.

2/30 2:00 in the morning that the Rebus said that he wants a minion to go to Camp Gagne, Israel on Friday and have a suitor there so that the beginning of Gagne Israel should be you'd be stammers.

On Friday.

There was, I heard it Thursday night.

He asked, would you be ready to come tomorrow morning?

9:00 didn't mean 7 hours later.

And I was here and I went that that Friday I went and and we had 10 people there.

I remember the Lifshitz brothers.

I remember some of the people we and we had a little Susan there.

Ben should cut back just before Shabbos.

Now the Rebbe himself also began the camp and not also he hood the world.

This is the crowd.

The Rebbe started the camp by coming there before the boys came out to visit.

I didn't know that I was then in Williamsburg playing ball or whatever I was doing, you know, and I was very upset they didn't have the telephone connection like you have today so much anyway, I so I missed that one.

And so we were in Ghana swell, myself and two younger brothers that summer as a counsellor and the youth Zion.

I already saw myself as like as a babich.

So.

But before that you already went to Ke$ha Bracha and you saw the rabbit.

01 minute yeah, Queso Bracha was Arkansas pacer Tazaian and and and the rebel said no Bel Shemtev took me and Rabbi Rotenberg, Yossi Rotenberg his name to the river after the Vibranian.

I don't know why, but they went upstairs to the Zal for my rib.

I don't remember.

There's another minion while the Debbie was downstairs.

No, they they had the Forbengian and they ever took dollars crisis.

It was it was Lebanon.

It was very with a tremendous amount of of of energy and highest even as Accenture places of forbengans go Shiatsu there.

And I you know, I didn't know the workings as far as I this is the first time I was ever at a question Brock or anything like this.

What I know is that they said my will be upstairs.

That's in the Zal.

It was packed, but you know, but I don't know how many people it was packed, packed and the rebel was on the far corner later for Kerche Bracha after My Riv.

So the table was there in the way you went around the my Riv, the West, you know, which goes to the huts of where the Asuka is.

You went there.

It was a bit of a space and then in, in the Durham, in the South, in the in, in the leading to the Khede Shani and that area, the river stood and there was a table and the Rebbe gave out Koschebrocher.

It's nothing like the crowds that were there 1020 years later, obviously, but there's still hundreds of people.

And you went out through the Khede Shani in 770.

Belshamtev took us over to the river and he said those tray bocharin from Toyota Vadas Rothenberg and Lieu who's a villain Betna brokers is on ein Khasidi Shebacharim.

This was without consulting us whatsoever.

He said here are two students of Tory Vadas, Rothenberg and Lieu and they want to ask the rebel for a brokers.

They should be Khasidi Shebacharim.

So the rebel said Rothenberg.

And where, what's the other name?

He said Lou.

So they ever said ich bin maschim no aydafa maschim Zine.

I agreed to the brocha, but they have to agree as well.

And three times in my life that I had varying, very varying situations where they ever told me I'm giving you special energies.

And I think it applies to everyone, whether they'll be said it is directly or not, anyone who wants it.

But it's what you do with it that really matters.

And I'll, maybe I'll jump and tell you.

The second time was when I was actually going to the term, which was the beginning of touching your Tres after a year of your diet, when I consider myself and I was known by the Roshi Shivas in Torrevidas also as Lobavich.

But the the trajectory was I would be a firm lawyer very close to Lobavich.

You know, that type of thing coming different Brangians hang around with the guys maybe living somewhere in Teaneck or so, you know, learning that.

I mean, I don't know what I would have been doing but but lavage and also in Uzziah and I had my first year readers, I'll come to that.

Then at the end of Kanye's role, Uzziah and I wrote to there by coming to Tom Hetman and at before her coffers and St.

Christura.

There was a fibranium whenever everyone went to the taluka to all the different shules to helping Mr.

Mayor, and the rebel didn't start at Koffice till after they came back.

He got Koffice wouldn't start till about after midnight at that for Brendan.

I approached the rebel and I said the words Ich vil Bett nabrocha ich olomme hats locher in Temritumimen.

I want to ask for a brochure that I should succeed in Temritumimen and the rebel said Omain Omain or Omain Omain, whatever the double omen he said and and I gave lehayim and as I was withdrawing like walking backwards from the river when I was a a few feet away, he he looked after me and on his reverse left side and he said that's the episode under 2.

You also have to do something about it.

So in other words, you know he got a double broker, but it's not going to work if you're not going to do something about it.

This is a general approach of the Rebel.

But.

This is a general approach of the Rebel.

The Rebel gives the cases, but we have to do something about it.

I think that's what the Rebel said the first night.

You're not touching Nidal.

If the Rebel said that that we're going to help, the Rebel is going to help, but that way it is for us.

Before we Canon, he's like give us much Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

So now in huge Zion, I walked regularly with Marshall Lazar.

That's why I walked with just remember that's why I walked with and and and she voice.

It was by Marshall fellow lady.

Also I I got to know him.

He's also from Williamsburg.

He was.

No, he's from.

He's from Minnesota, but he he was studying in Torvidas in the dormitory.

So he lived in Williamsburg and subsequently married my late sister.

That's he's your.

Brother-in-law.

He's my brother-in-law.

Yeah.

Now, yeah.

And you're Zion.

We walked Shabbos Mvokhin obviously, but also many times when there was just rumours that might be if I bring in like Shushan pudhem, cotton, pachlisky Sisa.

I remember being the Apachlis Noyak, which was not, which was Travis and Shroydish.

It was not a given that there's going to be if I bring in, but there was the Mima Asher and Bissell Omega Bedkiva.

And so that was you Zion about a couple of months before my, my birthday is Hof of the mission and, uh, the bottom that I was learning Tanya with.

Maybe they saw it or maybe we, we got some Mendel.

Maybe they asked me if I wanted to go to Yahidas for my birthday, get a, a direct broker from the river.

And this was like, this was like a major, major step to actually go and see the river.

In fact, where many Bochum authorities went, but they went like they went, they would go to see other Rabaeum and where she, Shiva's Gadolin, et cetera, et cetera.

You know, it was not, it was like a dumb thing.

People went for brochures to different people.

But you're saying for you?

But for, for me, I, I didn't go, I didn't go to Abiakova and ask you didn't go here.

I didn't go to the, to any of those.

I, you know, I, I saw them.

I maybe went sometimes to the theatre or to the, or to a Shia or something.

But I didn't, I didn't entertain the thought of having to go to them as an individual asking for a bracha.

And this became a very special thing.

And thank God you had to make appointments anyway months in advance for Yahidis.

Rabacharakov had this little pad and he wrote in, you know, for the next few months, all the nights that there was, there was three nights a week, Sunday, Tuesday and Thursday.

I think it's with Alder Abem lady, he is from Huff.

Hey it was only Sunday and Thursday and my I think this was on a Tuesday the 1st I think this but I I was starting months before preparing and the preparation was they invited me to come once a week.

Besides Wednesday there was the Shia Tanya in Torrevidas.

I would come to 770 I think it was on a Tuesday and learn.

The bachram suggested that you do this or.

Yeah, I would learn with Geshe.

Who is Geshe Mandel, who is He was my luck.

There must be in there.

I'd come.

I remember it was a time that he wasn't there for some reason during during their preparation, I would go once a week and we learned Bossy Lagani, Toshiyid Bayes, and they suggested that I learned it about PEH as well.

And they told me about Otto, which is Iguetalmedia Yeshiva, which was formulated by the Rebbe, which which had it was not necessarily for term hetmim Bocherem.

It's generally people who took on themselves, washed nagavasa by the bed, sleep with citis, wear wool and talos cotton.

There's certain, probably Hitas, I guess when I started a lot of Demon Hogan in those couple of months.

Preparing for the this you got.

In preparation for you read this and then I read.

Otto was like a formal formal group then, or was like a just that?

Was Otto like a formal group then, or was?

It's a group which is mentioned and.

They mentioned I'm saying what was like they got it.

Was a famous.

I never heard of it before then.

Was it was there like a meetings or anything or?

Was it No, no, no.

You were part of it.

There's something you.

Associated with it was.

It was.

I think it was something like like Hitas you undertook something.

It was it was like an association.

I don't know if they ever had meetings.

A good question.

It would have been in it's it's role where it was big Le Fierre, you know, relatively speaking.

The main thing is they, I mean I took on things for the Ihidis and then I had a heavy session Gessen and he told me that the difference between Polische and Chabad where other people is with others.

You, you can be an on of you.

You know, you say you don't go to the lab, you tell them everything, your mindless, your Heswanis, you say everything, your problems and your achievements as well.

And he also said if the rebel tells you to sit down and you don't sit down.

And that I had a big problem with.

I didn't.

I said it was beforehand and he was trying to explain it to me.

In the end he just was frustrated.

What?

Was your problem with it.

If a man like I was looking at the Rebel tells you, walk down the street, you walk down the street, he says.

You know.

Your problem is how could I not listen if the driver tells me to sit?

Yeah, well, you know, and the and and he screamed at me.

I said, well, he said that's the minute, that's that's what you do.

And by the way, just an aside, parenthetically, the the rebel was once going out to his car.

I think that Simpson was the driver in the early years and it was snowing where it was, it was icy on the ground and they never told him the driver to go in first, not to go around because it was slippery.

And he just stood there, didn't like, didn't move and thereby grabbed his shoulder and said fogging is hecka phanals.

Obeying is bigger than everything.

Anyway, that's what I heard when I went into Yukidis actually, and I wrote to them.

They told me I should write that I learned bossy Lagani about, but I wrote I'm learning Yvamas.

I, I was coming in there expecting a faher.

So before I was looking at that mima, I looked at the Gamora that I'd been learning in Yvamas that week.

I was ready.

You know, with this like this, like that, you know that I'm doing this.

So the first word that ever said to me was Zipst, sit down.

And of course I didn't because that was the protocol, but I was, he told me he still.

Didn't you?

Yeah, if he told me that's what you do I I I just wanted to understand, you know, how does that fit in?

But my knees were wobbly ready anyway, just to meet that ever was a very, very one-on-one.

And in that Yechidis I asked the rebel about I was very I you know, I was learning and I let's see this, but I was doing pretty well in secular as well.

And the planned unspoken plan with I would follow my father Allahasholam footsteps.

We are from lawyer.

That's all you go.

You would go to what the Bochum did.

They'll go to a night school in Brooklyn College.

If it's not, it wasn't.

It was college, but it was more like a we call a technical school today to learn a skill.

People in the accountancy, they learned law, they learned something for a Panosa.

That's what they did.

That ever was the person who really showed the world that it's not necessary, that you're not gaining, not in intellectual development and not in and and not in Panlasa even That's not, you know, that's not a key to those things.

Maybe you can elaborate a little bit on that because I think there are people that have this question a lot like, you know, you need so much money to live, especially today.

How you going to do it if you don't have the proper credentials or secular education?

What?

What?

The secular education that people get, I haven't, I haven't examined these statistics.

I did many times.

The last time was probably maybe 10 years ago or five years ago, you know, like I haven't in the last few years.

But it's consistently that when they say that X percent of college graduates will get jobs easier than others, let's say 85, whatever their number, they'll say together with that, they will say that 85% of them when 90% are not employed in areas which they studied at the university.

I'm not talking about someone who goes for a specific for a specific profession, right?

Someone wants to be a doctor or whatever it is, they're going to it people they study because they think they're going to.

It's this is the ticket to a job.

It's not, it's develops your mind.

It's not, it's not.

And, and the BBC in England, it made a series of programs about genes, about genetic questions.

And the man who made it was a man called Professor Jones from Wales, I think.

And he was in University College called London.

I'll tell you, I, I worked with him.

He made a a series of six programs about different aspects of the genetic composition of people and one of them was about weddings, about marriage and the, you know, combination of genes and and and about, you know, what they call.

Do you show him today about genetic diseases and preventing them that will each one have one word name.

This was called Roots and it was sold in the whole world.

And it's so he met me a few times and interviewed me about how she Duchem works in the film community.

The actual program, which I didn't see, but the actual program they had.

I spoke to him in my office all the interviews, but on the on the camera, on the visually, they showed her Hassan.

We went to Hassan in London, got permission with from the horse and Akala, and we sat together, the professor and I, and they showed us sitting at the wedding talking and they played what we had discussed in the office.

So what were we actually talking about?

We're talking about knowledge and education.

And he told me that the boys who went to yeshiva in his classes in in in London are streets ahead intellectually in understanding all the concepts that they're learning.

He said their minds are much more developed than anybody else.

There's a non Jewish professor.

England isn't that high a percentage of Jews, he said.

Every time I have somebody who came from yeshiva, their shop, their minds, it's developing the mind.

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You know you can do that at the age you have to start that at the age of 6.

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You can do that when you're 15 or 20, whenever it you know it, it, it takes weeks or months, a year or two even.

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Not just that, whether or not you need your credentials to get a job.

I think like what you're mentioning that in American culture, there's a whole obsession with the panosa from when the kid is five years old and that's, you know, what track is going to go on to or she's going to go going to go.

And that's like ingrained in American culture.

And it's like this pressure that's put on them since they're little kids.

How would you avenge to make a panosa?

I think that ABBA was saying, maybe you can tell me, but I believe that the debba was saying that the whole way we get panosa is from the abbishter.

So we have to do what the abbishter wants to get the panosa.

And we should be, we should be obsessed with the abbishter and he'll figure out the panasa later, not be obsessed with how you're going to make a panasa.

Because that's counterintuitive, I think.

I think that's also part of it.

It's not, not, not not only the dangers or the issue of college, but also that the refocus on, on getting on the, on the source of the panasa, which is the aviation.

Therefore do if it's, if he's supposed to be yeshiva, be in yeshiva or whatever, whatever the situation is.

Does that sound right?

I had an answer from the Rebel to this effect, which I'll come to in a minute about about.

Well, that's.

The college, that's how you started.

Yeah, yeah.

But you said we should talk a little bit about the secular education.

I worked my first ten years that ever said a number of times, both to Rabbi Sudak and to my schwer, because I was I'd come

home sometimes 3:00 in the morning, and now they teach at

9:00.

You came up from what?

They ever wanted me to teach when I went on Slickers in England, they ever said that part of my work, even though I was working basically with youth, adult education and students, I was like Kabat House and Kabat on campus.

Those didn't exist really.

And I travelled around the country to the different campuses.

I met Hunt.

I had a mailing list of almost 1000 students at that time in the, in the, in the late 60s and early 70s.

And I, I dealt with many students who went through times where they couldn't get a job.

And those who got jobs, very, very often, it was not in the field that they had studied, including Jonathan Sacks.

He's one of the students who went through it.

He became a rabbi.

He was a student that that you met.

He was.

I met him in 2 1/2 years after I came to England.

But we were very, very close.

The point is, the point is Panosa comes from the Aybush, as you say.

I'll, I'll come to the settle of that ever to me in a moment.

And even Bideta Hateva, it needs a bit of discernment to understand that it's motivation, it's developing the mind.

It's, it's, it's, it's, you know, working and and that that gets a person a good, a good position.

I'm not, I'm I'm talking here about getting an employment.

Some people want to go into business and want to, you know, it's also something which the more you know, the more you know of, the more they Kadesh Lahavdil, the more it helps because it develops the mind in a, in a much deeper way than people think.

I know somebody in our community.

So he was learning only Kaddish.

This happened to other many people and they wanted to get a qualification and go to university at some stage.

It was 18 or whatever and in order to take the necessary exam, you had to go through a school.

And I'm a principal of a high school of girls where they do these exams.

So I can I can facilitate this study, which I did many times.

And this so this bacha he studied, he did about four, which people would do five year after five years in high school.

It's a five year course.

The last two is mainly towards the exam.

The first three are and he did it in six months maybe or less and did all the different subjects and he got an A star that's higher than a in every single one.

Then we said you want to do the advanced studies and he said that was boring.

So I said maybe you got a better education than you thought.

What you did, you know, now you want to go to in a field, you want to study it, study it.

Your mind was developed.

That's what really matters.

You know, there's so many examples.

There was another Boltschuva, a doctor, and he had a son, a brilliant he is, he is a brilliant scientist now, but he applied for grant.

The Japanese government gave a certain small number of people who have genius, they got a scholarship to spend five years for free studying in Japan advanced science.

And, and this person was one of them, this son who was a professor and, and he had to, he didn't know Japanese.

That was part of it.

So you learn Japanese now took a couple of 2-3 months or even less.

I don't know what it was that, which is if your mind is developed and then you decide which area you want to focus on and you do focus, then you know, nowadays those who have are discerning you see what goes on at the universities.

Yeah.

Never mentioned this to the social life, the political life, you know, they're being used for sure.

They're being used and and so.

Schliach wrote after the after Simcha stated in October 7th and the demonstrations on campus the anti-Semitic ones.

So, Schliach wrote, Today's a good day to ask me why don't send my kids to college.

That's right.

Well, that's exactly it, yeah.

So what did I ever tell you about your Your.

Now, so when I went to Yuridis, let's come back to my first Yuridis, which was yurtres Kai odor kaushin yudzaye this.

Is the first yuridis.

Yeah, I was in turbidas.

Have you ever spoke to me then ear in Yiddish?

There's a different word when you say you familiar and not familiar.

It's most in many languages.

It used to be in English.

Thou.

Thou that's right.

Thou is is is personal and you is plural or respectful and thou is do in Yiddish and and you is ear in Yiddish French you have.

Wait, no.

You and I'll.

Say you is do no.

You is you is eyck OK.

You is you is plural, and thou is you as an individual.

OK, thy and so they never spoke to me that which you're writing formal.

That was the only I was in many times.

It was the only one that they ever said the.

Formal way.

Of it was before I came to the and I wrote to the about the future and this was a major Mercedes nefesh.

It must have been under the influence of my Lubavitch Mushbeam about whether to take a one year break.

Really today it's done by many people, secular, non Jewish, even they what in England they call it the gap year.

After you finish high school, you take a year out to find yourself or something, and then you go to university.

But So I asked the Rebel about whether I should do what I was planning to do, like going to study law to study at at Brooklyn College at night after I finished high school.

This was a half a year before or and and also I mentioned that I wasn't ready to come and to talk with me.

I was in it'll I was in in term with us then, you know, finishing my the exams and things.

So there ever said Damn your was was was ending in June.

He said this year the question should be to say this Dalton and national were better.

He said don't know how to say this there and and and and the rebel said you'll certainly stay in Turverdas.

He did not.

He did not talk about where I'm going to be the following year, but he did say.

I'm not following, the Rebel said.

This is man that's.

This man, you're going to certainly remain in Turverdas, right?

Just where you are now.

That's I was, I was.

This is February, Miss Dama and this and then the the the school term goes till June, right And thus was a shriped then college that which which you write about college or if efrate my menu Deng IR as eight years old.

Zeche I ran like in Allo Kurds in Moody College schriped UNF shell Ahmed Auchrit.

If you ask my opinion, I think that this year you should, you should throw all of your energies into the muthiko dish as you yourself mentioned one of the options and maybe more.

So as far as I was concerned, that was, that's what you're doing.

It's.

Very clear.

Yeah, if you and then if you and you knew you if you asked that ever.

You know, many people say, don't ask the rebel if you're not prepared to do.

You mentioned Rabbi Sachs.

Yes, Rabbi Sachs.

I saw a video of him talking about that.

He asked the rebel about being the chief rabbi and he, he says that I told my wife before I asked, Are you ready to listen to whatever the rabbi says?

Because I'm not going to she he wanted his wife to agree that she's going to listen to whatever the rabbits says before.

So he got Rabbi Sachs had the henuch from from the hen well.

That's a a known thing with Sidin I and I've dealt with many, many people with hundreds of people over the years.

Some are pretty high in their fields besides Rabbi Sachs, other people in secular fields, and they had personal medical issues, fertility, different issues.

And some of them were in touch with world class leaders in the field who might have said differently than they've ever told them.

Actually, I remember one very big professional said, you know, I was brought up.

She came from, you know, her grandparents were like City Eden, Poland from Poland.

Not the parents, not so much, But she said when you ask a rebel, she said I'd be afraid to go against what he said.

A fertility question.

Yeah.

So.

And that you had this then?

Everybody told me this.

Now the point is here I did not prepare the ground with my father so much, but not then and not afterwards.

I guess it was like just, you know, in evasion maybe, or you're not, you know, when I think back.

You're you're a teenager.

Yeah, but you know, if I had him, I spear this, you know, when I look back at all the different things and the bittersweet memories of, of certain things, I say if if I knew then.

But today it's it's from experience and and, and and observation.

I can't say I was.

When I advise people, I'm very often telling them things which I never did and maybe never would have done.

But I sincerely believe that that's really what I should have done and what what's best for them.

That's all if they're going to listen.

So I mean.

You had things from the Rebbe.

You asked the Rebbe different things that you were struggling with in Henoch yourself, right?

There were certain things that you asked the Rebbe questions about how to deal with the Henoch of your own children.

That was later on, that was years, many years later, you know, that was 16 years later here.

So the trajectory, the direction was that I was going to after the summer going to Gagne, Israel, the second year, the first year in Swan Lake.

This year I was there when they never came to camp on the Sunday Tesla of Thomas and and and after camp, I was going to go back to Tovidas and go in the evening the booklet house like everybody else did.

But now that ever said this man, I'm going to be in the race Medridge.

That's that's going to be there for one year.

I did not intend or expect to to change from with us or to be or to do this more than one year.

That was my feeling.

Then.

Then my father was very upset whenever etcetera, etcetera, and I wrote to the rebel and and then I was in camp after camp.

We stayed for a Shabbos to clear up the camp and I went and Rabbi Aramel Shemtev, he was very, very close to us, always our family.

Later on, they never told him when they ever told him that it's when he moved up to a higher position directing the camp.

They ever said it's not his inion, it's not his job to maintain contact with individual parents, except for Lou.

He said that that that family you got to stay with.

So he was very close with my parents.

But I mean, he told me a very he spoke with me, went went for a walk the Friday night and the dock and he said, look, you know that sooner or later you're going to go to Labava Cheeshiva, which is Vetia Fadidisen.

It's going to it, it's going to aggravate you.

You're going to regret not taking the move earlier.

That sentence was like the Makabak issue.

We see, you know, a whole build up of all different things.

So I wrote to the Deborah and I wrote that what my father was concerned about the Pandosic issue and I had a friend called Rabbi Israel Rosenfeld, all of our Shalom.

I knew him from Tervidas at one or two years.

He was with me in the eighth grade.

Then he was, he was a Lubavitch up and then he was in camp and he told me you come, if you come to Lubavitch, come to Newark.

That's what he was studying and we'll learn together.

So I wrote to Deneba all about Newark and this this plan and about my father's apprehensions.

So the rebel wrote the following answer.

Newark, O monteneal ka atsas horaram shahirhiya mentlik.

You go to Newark or Montreal, which I had not mentioned anything.

I didn't know it existed.

According to the advice of Rabbi M Mentlik, Vladibor IM Ovid Sheikhiya Muyusaid Al Lusak Birhas Hazan, Al Turin, and maybe Turin or Al Lusak Birhas Hazan.

The conversation with your father should be based on the content of the first bracha of benching Hazan, which speaks.

And there is.

The one that.

So Rabakhataka when he gave it over, this was regular normal practice with when Rabakhataka gave over Old Settlak in those days and very often he would elaborate and this was obviously.

It was common then for the bit for the the answers to come in the form of settlak, not.

Letters.

It was common then for the answers to come in the form of tetlach and as opposed to letters.

Yeah, yeah.

If you were in New York, if you were here, you gave it.

There was the desk pad in the America's Office, which later was called Mosquito.

It used to be called the America's office.

There was a pile of it would pile up in the course of the day and several times in the day the rebel would either buzz in and ask whoever was in the office of the Mosquito to bring the letters into him.

Sometimes thereby himself when he came in would walk in and take letters.

That's where there was a corner of the of the of the desk pad on that in Rabakhadakov's desk.

That's where letters that they ever were piled.

And yes, so and where Rabakhadakov, it was obviously that this was what his job was.

Part of his job was to elaborate on answers of the lever.

Many it was.

It was known for saying, well, the toast for his beer and to add to the answer of the lever.

And he wouldn't say a word if it wasn't from the lever.

But in my case it was written Miyusuk.

Right.

Yeah.

So you have to elaborate.

On Toichen it said it the answer is based on, and he said that the lever told him to say that in the first bracha of benching you say Hazanus or eilim kulai bituvai, Hashem gives panosa to the entire world.

That's where the panosa comes from.

And he doesn't have to worry about panosa.

It, it, it, it, it comes from Hashem and, and, and, and, and you're not going to like, as you say, you're not going to lose out because you follow Hashem's word.

It doesn't mean that you can just sit at home when the time comes.

Back to work.

Go to the mikvah at 12.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Anyway, so that was your Zion first.

You hear this, this the other part of the answer, Actually the first part of the answer.

But Rabbi Khatter explained the second part first, what you should tell your father.

The other part was Newark or Montreal.

This was already opening up a whole new thing, leaving the country.

I never, I'd never left.

I hardly ever went to New Jersey.

I was, you know, a Brooklyn boy, that's all.

And suddenly Montreal, a foreign country is brought up and so and there ever said ask Ravi Mentlik.

So I anticipated, you know, a gruelling searching at least 20 minutes for her see where you're holding to know is this yeshiva appropriate or that one.

So I was thinking about the Omar that I would have been learning and different things and I went to have I meant like it was during the say the in dissol in 770 and I introduced myself and I told them they never told me to speak with you.

I showed them the answer.

Newark E Montreal, Katasa de Ram Shahira Mentlik.

So he said, what did you write to the Rebbe?

I said I had a plan of going to Newark, go over to Roosevelt, he said, did you mention Montreal in your title?

I said no, I didn't even know about it.

He said Montreal.

So the whole interview was maybe 60 seconds.

I I always think maybe they never wanted to show me what a what a horse it is.

He remember Metlick was a real real deep Panini as.

Opposed to thinking, oh the rather told me to figure it out, let me figure it out.

No, he just needed to figure out what the rebel really wants.

That's right.

That's right.

So that was that was and then I went to Montreal and that's when I went to the and I said, I'm asking for a broker.

It's the things were pretty tense with my father, you know, and they had a whole euchitus about it.

Yuchvat earlier you'd Yimmuchvat it was 4:00 in the morning in Tauchin Tauchin Chai.

Yuchvat you'd base of of Yuchi Gimmu.

And I brought brought this up and then everybody told me one thing was to go back as quickly as possible to Montreal.

Don't get into arguments and they ever said if you if you are get the yeshiva in Montreal to write reports from time to time to your father when he sees your success there, that if I stay in that's college is Nish Fadiya.

That's what he told me.

He didn't just say one year.

He said he'll see that college is not for you.

That in that Euchidis it was a very, very powerful for every Euidis is powerful every single year, whatever it was, even it was so-called.

Also, you're asking the rabbit questions.

You're asking the rabbit questions about what to do.

I think like other people later that experienced this, they didn't really ask the rabbit much.

It was more.

Yes, the event and also they never tell you sometimes what a lot of them would ever ask me questions.

Like what pun?

Like what?

A lot, many, many.

You know, there's a famous 1:00 we we in Tufschen Lammet Hay and Issuhak Tsukis.

Now the context is it was a Thursday night.

There were hundreds of people Urghim.

This was much simchestrator of Dalla Tishrei.

Wednesday was simchestrator, Thursday was Yuhidis.

Friday nights, Chavez Bodacious, the most precious Chavez of the year.

And the Rebbe was gonna sit there the whole night.

I was there with a son.

My son Penny was five years old.

Took him, took him to the Rebbe for Sukis.

So we went in relatively early.

It was probably about 10:00 at night.

And I just wrote asking your brother, that's all for myself and my family.

I didn't, I didn't anticipate and I didn't want to keep the lever and I didn't have any special thing to ask either.

And yeah, actually it turned out to be one of the longest.

It's the only I was in the Akitis, I think 29 times.

But this is the only Akitis where the Masca.

Opened up the door in the middle only time.

And the next night was Friday night before they ever came down.

It was Robert Groener.

He came to.

He was with friends.

He said why do you keep that?

I said I didn't.

I said I wrote one line in my title.

I told him a little bit of what they never said.

He said I thought you're too young for that kind of a thing.

But I was 34.

No, that's label, Groener said.

But.

What?

What did they ever?

Say, but why did they ever say?

It was a few things.

I'll tell you one thing he told me.

He said that my main work then I was teaching also, but my main work was with student and youth and adult education.

Like as I said, Kabata House and Kabata on campus type of work.

So thereby said when you go on campuses, Mr.

Terefimid Studentkis, you will meet female students.

It was heat and garnished who keep nothing of Yiddish guide.

Now this is Hovdala Tishrei.

It was exactly a month after Hovdala Ello when they never launched the Nessek News Shabbos Krejes campaign and they never said they keep nothing.

But you speak to them about lighting a candle for Shabbos on the condition that they lighted before skier, before sunset, and they never said twice in that little part of the holy riddhus they will fog in, they will obey the rule not to do after skier, Mitzhad Nish mitzhat, flumkite, namitzhat elkhite.

Not because I mean the river just said they told by people who keep nothing.

It won't be because of Flumkheit.

It'll be because they're honest, they're straight and they'll and that we condition you make with them so they'll do it.

He said tell them if they missed the week, better not to light that week and to light after skier.

That was one was one part of it and a lot of the satellite stories that happened as a result of that sentence of the debit that how you doing another thing.

It was so many things like he asked me, did you hear from so and so lately, so famous, famous.

You hear this about a, a a certain communal figure.

Now I dealt with mainly with young people.

I spoke to, you know, Renee Brieth, adult education groups, shul groups, but my main, the work that I had to initiate was going to use clubs.

There were many in those days later years.

You didn't have it because you had people you know, had their own games on their on their devices.

But those years there were thousands of young people in in groups on weekday nights and universities, especially all the campus all throughout England.

I had I had regularly she heard them weekly in London on Wednesdays for King's College and LSE London School of Economics Thursdays in University College London and the Hilo House which was nearby Monday in Queen Mary College Tuesdays.

I used to go to Cambridge one week and Oxford the following week.

So that was way travelling and then the other campuses.

I I would come even there for, you know, to speak for an evening in Bristol different or in Birmingham or for a Shabbaton, Manchester, Scotland, even Edinburgh.

It was my work was with students and So what was that holding?

You were talking about the Yechidis?

And that Yechidis everything.

You did.

You did the the work on campus before you went on shtchisoso in in New York, right?

Yeah, yeah, I I started here.

I'll tell you the truth.

My first experience was in the winter of Tovshenkov when I was 19 1/2 years old.

And Rabbi Nissan Mangal Schlitter, brilliant, I tell you, very, very brilliant.

And and he was going to downtown Montreal.

We were, we were in Uptown, whatever it was, we were and Park Avenue, a certain Jewish area, but the IT was one of these big shoes and it was what they would call today's singles or something with people in their 20s mainly.

This is 19591960 Toschenkov.

And he asked me to come with him.

That was a younger bucker, several years older than me, about five years older than me.

But he asked me to come with him and I did.

And it was like an hour, an hour and a half walk coming back.

We probably went by car before Shabbos and we were there for, and there were hundreds, about 200 students and young people.

And I was fascinated by the questions, how he answered it, you know, how he respected every question.

You know, he he gave a compliment to every question or elaborated on it.

On the way home.

We analyzed what had been said and, and how, you know, ways of answering questions.

That was my first experience I think.

You also went to Penn State, that was.

That was Penn State was, yeah, but this was, it was a Montreal you tres, you Teskov Kovalev.

Penn State was Shabbos.

Lechlakov, Tovshakov, Bayes.

You're married already?

No, right before.

I was 21 years old, OK, 21 1/2, and I was in 770 though those two years.

And six people went for that Chavez.

Those were Rabbi Ramel Shamdev.

Actually there was 1 and.

Who are?

Who are?

Who are?

Who who?

Who are the other?

The six people?

Who?

Organized this thing to go.

It was actually Rabbi Binyamin Kaline, because when he was a Baha years before then, he was a Merckischlichus in Texas and in Waco, TX, he met a man by the name of Rabbi Goldberg.

And interesting person, I found out years later that the Rebbe's mother, the Rebbe's in Khanna lived, that Rabbi Goldberg's mother lived in Crown Heights and that the Rebbe's mother had a room in her house in Lincoln Place in the early, you know, in when she first came to in, in, in Tufschen Europe.

At the time of that year, she was there anyway.

So Rabbi Goldberg then became the Hilo rabbi in Penn State, and he and Rabbi Klein had maintained like he was a big masooda.

Rabbi Klein he maintained even later, years after we were there, he always had contact and thereby would ask Rabbi Klein, what do you hear from Rabbi Goldberg?

It was after Yakov Hanukkah.

It was.

It was in this kind of and.

You're talking about after the.

The years later after our Shabbaton and years later and he was a horses and he couldn't eat and Rabbi Goldberg's house that ate hull of Stomm and Jacob Hanukkah couldn't.

He was the guy didn't know olive based three years ago and he couldn't eat in his house.

He was upset.

So yeah.

So the rabbi asked Miella Klein that when he went in one time, he said what's that with Rabbi Goldberg?

So he said he feels bad that this is his Talmud.

Can I eat in his house?

You know?

So the Rebbe said, tell him that it's that all of Jankov Hanukkah's Mikhail Al Khoyal is his credit.

OK, so now explain why.

Because Rabbi Klein knew Rabbi Goldberg and Rabbi Goldberg.

From, from Waco, it's, it's yes, he became, he was in contact with Rabbi Goldberg.

I'm telling you a little bit about Rabbi Goldberg.

Because of that was the Shabbatone and Hanukkah became.

From and this went on for every few months Deb would ask him and he would reported that.

Then eventually Jacob Hanukkah got married and his wife Bina Allah Sholom Jyothaideh Skhoff of by the way, she was very knowledgeable and she was like a Bisiakov graduate type of girl.

And Rabbi Goldberg had sons and there's no schools there.

I was away from anything and she with a teacher of Rabbi Goldberg's sons.

And at that time he appreciated what they ever said that you're it's your benefit, it's yours you have and your reward.

And the Rebbe asked and William Klein told us to the Rebbe and the Rebbe didn't ask again.

What?

How is he doing?

Anyway, let's come back.

So we went there.

Barrel Baum got an Oliver Sholam and his one of his protegees chimes Wade.

Rabbi Josel Goldstein, Rabbi bin Yemen Klein.

Only the men went or was the.

Only men went rebel.

Shemtiv and myself of Stalangi Young and with those four and there were about 300 students.

People didn't really, you know, today Orthodox Jews, Haredi Jews, you walk in Manhattan, you see people you know, and in many various communities, including London, but then around the world there are pockets of hundreds or thousands of Hasidim.

People see it.

Then it was like, it was like a dream.

And they they had on the lampposts and on the trees, they had like a poster with a handle aluminum painting of the Hasidim dancing.

And it just said an experience or a Hasidic experience.

Friday night isn't this time.

Hundreds of people came.

So it was just a a wild phenomenon that they wanted to see it.

Was like meet them first hand.

We sang Nikuna with them and we spoke with them the whole Chavez, you know, and at the end and they were very taken.

Two weeks later, Rabbi Goldberg invited what what worked out, but respectively.

This was the first Prakisha ever there was, but it was Milmata Lamyla.

It it Rabbi Goldberg took a group of about 15 students for Shabbos Jayasura Shabbos Vorhem Kislev to New York for Shabbos to be by the never with the needle be of Herbarian.

They came Thursday night.

It was arranged and three of the students, Hadihidis, one girl, Susan, she was in for maybe at least 45 minutes.

And then there was Ronnie Kaplan, another student and Jack Hanukkah and Jack Hanukkah.

He was no chance and they were the 2 buckle him with in for over an hour and a half each And look, that's a story in itself.

All all of these, they became a first, a general small sirka 510 minute talk to all of the 15 with the rabbi and he spoke about Shabbos and Vorham Kislev and the rebel dwelled on Tunakudis and he spoke in English.

One was that a lot of people have a mistaken notion of what Shabbos is.

They see it as a, they define it by what is forbidden.

And that's not really what it's about that that is a, a part of it.

But that's the byprod.

It's what it is.

It's it's the condition of the spirituality that you gain on Shabbos.

And, and the second was the fact that it's, it's not any Shabbos, Shabbos and Wilhelm Kislev, which the essence is Hanukkah and merciful.

I left the idea of increasing in holiness.

Those were the two liquidus of this Zika.

OK, so so you were you were discussing this long this that you had?

Now, So what I was saying is that my work at that time was with young people, with students.

You asked me how it started.

You know, I feel like we.

I was I feel like we need a week over here till we get till all the information comes out.

I'm happy to share the information with you know, I always think I I whenever you make a husband on nephesh with Mendel foot of eyes.

I heard from him countless times.

He don't really lived in London for years.

It's the husband it's supposed to be, not what I achieved.

You have to see what I did, but it has to be focused on what I could have done more than that.

And that should be a story.

That part I never really excelled in, you know, how can I, what, what did I miss?

I'll tell you stories.

What I, you know, I, I tell you the stories I tell of 1% or less of what happened, the people you met and it worked and this happened, that happened.

But then there's all those times that you just blew it or you just, you just sat and read a book on you on on the plane or you slept or whatever it was.

So I I I tell these stories, I hope it'll help someone else to be able to do the same thing but better.

It makes people feel guilty that there was, there's always things.

Is that, is that a good thing?

People should feel guilty.

Guilt is not a good feeling.

It's, it's, it's, it's, you know.

So what is it?

People should feel inspired.

People should feel empowered.

People should feel, you know, the only thing that matters is now the 20 year old and the 80 year old, each of them is making a mistake in their general attitude to life.

And ironically, they're both making the exact same mistake.

The 20 year old is saying I'm young, I got all my options open, please God, I got energy.

I left health.

I'll have this, I'll have that, and I'm going to be able to do this.

I have so many choices.

Wow, spoiled for choices.

The 80 year old is living with nostalgic, with things, regret, anxiety.

What's next?

Aches and pains.

Whatever it is, whatever they they live with, they're both making the same mistake.

They took the eye off the ball, which is now today.

You today is a lifetime.

You can achieve something today which will last forever.

Whether you're 20, whether you're 90 doesn't make a difference.

It's it's it's it's using that day and and that's all that exists.

Remember for the vices, this thing ending in Yiddish.

So there's it says there's talking there says there's talking.

Morgan's not mad Beto Abyssal Hein Wells Huffman's organ.

There's no, there's no yesterday, there's no tomorrow.

There's just a little bit today.

So what do you have to worry?

But he said it's today.

You remember, call Lisa Schmo.

You, you have something you can do.

So it's not, it's not a guilt.

I, I, whenever I tell the stories of things that happened, which was successful, those are the ones I'm going to tell.

So I say to myself.

We'll do another podcast with the failures.

We'll do another one.

Yeah, like you can learn them too.

But my point is that because you don't want people to see you as such a great guy because it's false pretenses, so that it because of that great anivus, just because you are a modest guy and you don't want to have false pretenses, you should deprive them of something because of that.

That's certainly not on the cards.

The many letters of that ever people wrote to that ever.

Why do you expect me?

The the most important thing he expected of us was to share with others.

It's not about yoga Naidan, it's about what the abishta wants in the world.

It's about Dilip Takhtarnim, and that means it's somebody else helping them.

And many, many letters of them in Hebrew and in and in English, where people wrote feeling that they are not really worthy and not really doing what they should be doing in their own life.

And so why should, how can they justifiably speak to someone else?

Hypocrites.

And almost every time that ever says 2 points, number one was the Janus Schuldig.

Why should that person suffer because you didn't live up to your potential?

You're missing something that you have either, but you're stealing from the other person because of your you know you're adding something.

Secondly, by sharing it with someone else, you'll inspire yourself as well.

That's the way you'll be able to go some way towards correcting the mistakes you made.

Omission or Commission?

OK, fine.

So let let's let's go back to learning from from the stories so.

So the rabbit told me that you hear this that long, you hear this long, you know, it was probably 15 minutes.

But at that night, anything more than a minute.

I you hear this in of two minutes, but you could write a you know, it it, it was something to learn from it.

Things that they ever said of one line of at the end of Brock, somebody you know.

When it like for an occasion, a birthday, but it went to straight it it it penetrated straight to where you were and what you needed the night before the breath of our oldest son.

The visits from England, well, those are usually connected with other things anyway.

So let's come back there.

Deficit.

Have you met?

Have you heard anything didn't say D meet.

Have you heard anything lately from, we'll call them, Mr.

X, a communal dealer?

I was dealing with students mostly.

I don't think I knew him, you know, and he probably knew me, but it wasn't my normal field of work.

But it happened to be that I met Rabbi Bernhardt, Allah Bashalam, Rabbi Nachman Bernhardt from South Africa.

It was before he was a Khabatnik himself, but he was very, very much the rebbest person.

He saw the rebel as the leader, as the merchant Abeno of the generation, and I knew him well from South Africa to my visits there.

We did twice by then.

Before you were in England.

No, I when I was in England I was sent in in hafkas three years later and in La Medalif.

There's no schliach there then.

No, that.

That's the whole story in itself, because they asked me to come there initially.

And South Africa is a different.

I have this very special closeness with South African, with Rabbi Lipska and the whole cup of Baja Ola Vashallah.

Yeah, very, very.

OK, so.

But let let's come back to here.

Yeah.

So they never said.

Have you heard from him?

I said I met Rabbi Bernhardt.

He told me that he met him and for breakfast he was in England.

That's some official person, you know, and that this person was I, I said it in Yiddish and stocked it to key.

At the moment he strongly criticized it ever about Mihuyuhudi.

Actually it was very much strong.

What Rabbi Bernard told me was that the man was so vehement in his criticism of that ever that he saw there's no point to even try to, you know, to try to convince him that he's wrong.

And So what he did was he made him, like I said, he said I don't would be with you at all and let's change the subject.

He just didn't discuss it.

That's what he told me.

I think I told that to the Rebbe as well.

So the Rebbe said to me, do you know why he said that?

Which rabbits had come to me?

I was 30.

This person was a person of influence.

He was, yeah, OK.

And and he, he was a person who had made a statement.

I'll tell you a little background which was not directly said.

He had made a statement or written an article in some somewhere that Mia Houthi is not such a problem.

It's a diversion of energy or whatever belittled it.

And that ever in Asira probably said something which was not, you know, but that's what that ever said to me.

Do you know why he said that?

It's because somebody had an ungerhead of Mia Aloshin Hora to God, a mochi chamara.

Somebody told him about me about that ever.

A lush and hora or maybe even a mochi chamara.

The difference between lush and hora and mochi chamara is the ocean.

Hora is a negative aspect of a person, which is true.

He's still not allowed to say it just because it's true.

That's what the ever is.

Mochi chamara is slander.

It's it's a lie, not even true.

So never said he said something which is much less Mahada, maybe even much Ischembra and the namely that I attacked him in public, as you have a fem get it, and that's why he's seething inside of him.

And then there ever said a sentence Icherdin Ishtvagen mentioned Icherdwagen Sheetis.

I don't speak about people.

I speak about ideas.

In other words, if they ever said something which didn't agree with him, everybody's not going to compromise his idea.

How obviously, but there ever is not.

It's never a personal attack.

It's never it's never about the person.

He never said, somebody said, and therefore everybody spoke about and I something which, which, which contradicted what he said.

And then somebody told him.

And, and as the rabbit saying it, I'm standing like a soldier and I'm listening to this.

And in, in the next split second in my mind, I had a, an insight, an inspiration.

I said, this man who's talking now, he's the greatest leader, greatest Sadiq, the greatest Mahloudoukha Kridish, the greatest teacher, the greatest Mohanak, the greatest ask him the greatest builder of monsters, the greatest publisher of works of previous generations.

Well, one of the greatest of the whole 20th century.

But to think of this farm that ever gave out besides those that he's inspired people to give out and and and you know this all in a split second.

But at the end of the day, he is your personal best friend and that you can say about everybody in the world.

Any what comes to the Debra.

Debra is to him totally.

His whole essence is given over to that person.

And therefore this all in a split second.

When you get back to London, you're going to get a meeting with Mr.

X, by hook or by crook.

You're thinking this?

I'm thinking this in a it's, it's a second all.

The whole thing was in a second.

And as I'm thinking it, there was Sinderskinian ols gain cinnamons of it's not a good idea for you to go to him and tell him that I said this.

And as I'm thinking that, I must admit I was like a bit of a wise guy in my own mind.

I said to myself, I'll ask Rabbi Vogel.

Rabbi Vogel was very close with this person and I'll speak with him and I'll tell him he should go and, and set this man straight, you know, whatever.

And as I'm thinking that a second later everybody says Sindhush Kanian is was betting, I'd say to for Nanash.

It's not a good idea if you ask a fellow Lubavitcha to go to him.

And if they'd ever said if the man came to me personally, I could, I could straighten him out himself.

I could, I could explain it to him.

It's not to you.

It's not for someone else.

Of anage why he never said there was 613 mitzvahs in the Toyota?

Mihuyuhudi, who is a Jew, is one of them.

If this person does not want to cooperate with Habad on Mihuhudi, let's work with him on the other 612.

And I consider that to this day as a one line lesson, direction and directive in life, in everything, in Henoch, in parenting, in marriage, in business, in in in just socializing.

You have a choice of seeing a person that's you don't have to compromise your values, but you see where you agree with the other person and work together to build something with that joint agreement.

This is the premise that we learnt from the rabbit on how how we're makara than how we every single yid, because this is the premise that they're doing mitzvahs that that that that they can or they're not doing that one mitzvah that they can't.

Yeah, yeah.

And they've said explicitly Rabbi three Greenwald, Mullah Bashala, he was Mahana when he was when they, when Khabat first came here, Khabat in, in the late Khoshin Yutz and the, and the, and the yutz especially, they went to all the kibbutzim.

The people in the kibbutzim were from Russia.

A lot of them they we came from similar milieu, similar society and they but they had, you know, jettisoned a lot and he was going to speak with Aviciis role and what unites us and sing the Gundam and, you know, be Makati of them.

And the many of the other Hasidim would criticize him.

Yeah, the black people, they were Russian and they said, he said, you know, you're being too soft and too pussyfooting with them, you know, tell them like it is.

Tell him, you know, just tell him off.

And he, so he, he, he felt that that's not going to be an effective way.

But he look, he heard it so much that next time he was in Yehidis, he mentioned it to the rebel.

My grand, my daughter is married to his grandson at that time.

He told me this story, He said to Famid Qasim.

He said that the rebel said to him, if you tell them that in Yiddish, if you tell them that you're going to create a barrier, a wall, naghana avant kamarhitza between you and them.

He said, you, you go and you build on the good.

That's that's the only way to work with a person.

It has to show doesn't mean compromising values or not saying here's what I hope, but you, you're not out there to criticize you here to get the person Leshi Toska where you are holding, there's something you can do.

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So let's go back to, I think in the chronological place where we were holding you're, you're in Montreal.

Then you came over to 770.

So how did, how did you, how did you come over to 770?

Actually, that's a very, very important question.

I didn't know how I can ever get it happen.

You're stuck in Montreal.

I would, yeah, exactly.

And I loved Deneba.

Everyone goes by.

I love being in Deneba's presence.

I love being by the river.

It was just, you know, davening.

But whatever.

It was just thinking, even when I was here already before and when I came in, just for a while, the Fabreggi was like, even in gunaden, you see, you can get a taste of it from the videos today.

If a person really wants and you focus on it, if it means something to you, you know, allow it to happen.

Instead of people today, some people analyse themselves.

Am I feeling it enough?

You know, just get into the whole thing.

But then you.

See it your son.

Yossi.

Yossi on the podcast was discussing this that through a video.

You can.

Feel it?

Yeah, but well, Yossi himself gave a talk somewhere abroad about you Chuvakov shalamit.

Yeah, so he spoke about this in the podcast.

How?

He and then somebody told him, you know, what are you telling us?

We didn't see it, he says.

I was six years old then.

Yeah, yeah, he did a lot of he thought when the things that he made in his articles.

Yeah, firstly I said can I know her?

A brilliant memory and.

He's putting it into a book, he said.

Yeah, yeah.

But you're you're saying that when you're in Montreal, you want to, you want to be with the rebel.

So you're saying every time you're by the rebel?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

In Montreal you are entitled so-called to go in the the the Hevi is to go in with a bus or we we hired a train carriage a a car of the train 4 * a year.

You trot and Pesach and you'd base Thomas and Tishrei.

Those are the four times you went in.

Besides that you need a special permission to come.

Even those times you were not allowed to go unless you had a special paper for sure signed by the.

Anhala.

Anhala and you had to be in order to get that paper, A, you had to be fahed in Nigl and Jacidis and B, while you were here in New York you had to be fahed in nigl and Jacidis.

I remember because I, I was the four years there, the Bureau with Fahad and Kassidis and Rabbi Mentlik in Niggla.

And if Ibaka came and he asked Raba Khadrakovka go into Yeridis or something, he said, who is 9 passport?

Where's your passport?

I have somewhere like a blank like of that form.

There was a form of that I didn't know how, you know, I had in my mind made the rebels was concerned.

I don't know because I had I wasn't writing to the river.

But but, you know, there was there was tensions probably I I wasn't in New York that much.

And my mother Lashon wrote every week and every every couple of months or so, my father would write a couple of lines.

Charlemagne Bracha.

Yeah, he was right.

You know, I one of my biggest regrets in life.

I could have handled him like, like, like it would have been the smoothest thing in the world.

He a little bit and a little bit of experience anyway.

By the way, it was a very, very amount of incredible integrity.

He was moistened nefesh for Shabbos amamish in a way that, you know, people wouldn't, wouldn't know these stories about him at the university when he was.

He didn't take exams.

They took on Chavez and people denounced him to the people who had to give him his qualification.

And he stood his ground.

But now when we were getting married, which is now just almost the other day, 62 years ago, Yeah.

Which was Tesvov, Thomas.

You're talking about how you got this M 71st.

I'll tell you about my father and and and then you'll understand why why I thought I thought it's because of my relationship with the father and my father.

They ever felt that not being the whole time together right because he he did tell me you tried option Hi leave as soon as you can by the way, I told him I told that ever I'll come back to that about about I wanted to get my father to go into Yechidis and the rebel said he explained to me Deborah spoke to me even though I was already in front of me and he's calling me do but he was explaining things to me.

It's 4:00 in the morning to a boy who is under 18 years of age, he said.

When you ask someone to go visit someone privately, it's not usually the dumb thing he says.

Tell him to come to a Fabregan whenever Zen Eden itzen dot MIT bed 1 bed.

You'll see Jews sitting there with beards, without beards, and he'll hear a little bit of what's spoken.

That will have some effect and then ever he suggested that I should get.

He says everything's it's too early to do it now, but for Purim this was Yuchvat.

So six weeks later it's going to be Purim.

Purim Tofshekai in advance.

Ever said get him to he said ask me who is close with him.

Who does he know here and he never asked if he knew across twice, didn't he?

I said the person he knows the best is a revel Shemtev.

So they never told me ask of Remel to arrange and to arrange.

The first thing that ever said was arrange a lift a a a a a ride.

My father never drove.

I don't know if they ever knew this, but he said arrange a, a a, a lift for him to come to that Vibranian and he'll be there and he'll hear a little what you speak.

That's going to be Eric have an effect.

And Rabbi Shemtev Solita and arranged with Janko Winter, he went to my father and we used to which was, you know, he, my father liked him very much.

He took with him in Russian.

You know, he, he liked the whole idea of him from the camps.

He was in the summer camp and Ganyesuwa 2 of my brothers had the bar mitzvahs in camp.

So my father had been there.

And when I ramble said, would you like to come to the point if I bring him?

So my the first thing my father said was was Michigan a Carreta.

Will you send me?

It's a Russian word.

He knew he could speak to him a a coach.

The the first thing they ever said was get him a lift, get someone to take it.

The first thing my father said to Iremo was are.

You going to send?

Me.

And then he came to the Trebenya.

He was there for maybe an hour, Iremo told him.

I think if you listen on the tape you can hear that.

Irembo tell him that ever Mr.

Lewis here and then Akensl Pesar, which is another six weeks after you know it's it's it's 10 weeks after a a kid of 18 years old wasn't you heard this.

I went over for kosher bracha about one of the last people maybe one 2:00 in the morning and they've asked me.

Did your father tell over anything from Purim?

It's one besa anyway, so like kept kept kept the count kept the count of it later when we were getting married five years later in in Tufschenkov Gimel on Tesvov Thomas and that ever was going to officiate beside the condition.

So that's.

A whole nother story in itself.

Yeah, yeah, but my father had part of that story is my father the mesodic condition of his son's wedding.

He has to go see him.

So he went into Hedis with my mother on.

Hey, Tom, was Thursday night and.

So he didn't go in as part of the hedis officially his pretext for going to the debus because the debus is in mesodic condition.

It was, yeah.

But by that time he had, he'd been to that Febrenkin, he had been to the Febrenkin Apaches by Yezte Tofshekov Bayes, Moshe Fellows wife Roof.

And he was like, it is Kislovkov Bayes as well.

We had Chevre Brochus for the fellas.

So I mean by that time it was like smooth running was not me.

So I did something I never did before or after, which is when my parents were going into Yahidis that night.

Hey Thomas, I walked in and I introduced them it.

Wasn't it?

Wasn't the yahidis of Hassan Kala?

I went in with my collar separately that night.

That was a separate yahidis, but when my parents came, it might have been before I came in as I don't remember if it was before or after I went with my collar, but we opened the door.

I opened the door and I walked in and I said doesn't mind, talk to O Mama, this is my father and mother.

Oh this is my name Elton and these are my parents.

And I withdrew and closed the door.

But as soon as I said this, they never stood up and walked around the table and gave him a shamal ehrim.

So my father said to the Reba in Yiddish, I don't think that I deserve this recognition discovered because when my son was in your yeshiva the first three years I was not happy about it.

So my father's like very straight person.

So that ever said was of the height.

What do you say today?

He said height Binochtefedidin.

Today I'm happy.

So they ever said, well, my dad didn't fucking height.

Let's talk about today.

That's that's what comes in.

So now how did I get to go to 770 in Tofshin Kaf Aleph after having been four years in Montreal, 4 beautiful, beautiful years, which I, you know, in, in, in their own way.

But I wanted to, I want to be in 770.

And I spoke, I didn't write in its settle this I spoke with Robba Khadakov, asked him to present to the rebel that my brothers were going to Camp Ghani as well.

And I think I can have a positive effect on them if I'm in the camp.

And so he asked the rebel and they said if you feel you can have it, then go to the camp.

At the end of camp, the end of the summer, I told you about Khandekov that if I learn in summer 70, I will be able to have a career.

Just learn with my brother was going to college.

I think I don't remember if exactly when, if it was he was going to the evening college and and I didn't again, I didn't write this since I asked orally through Rabbi Khadakov and the Rebbe answered if you can, if you, if you're, if you're going to, if your brother of eats along with you, stay in 770.

So that's how I khavbais.

I was in in in 770.

I got engaged at the end of khavbais.

That's a story in itself.

And then I, I was a full year till Al Hassan.

So it's Kabaisk of Gimel in 770.

And then I was in Koilu of Dalla Troffe.

That's four special years.

I mean with, you know, all the years, all the visits, the Tishreys and the whatever it was, these, these were, you know, powerful moments.

I remember the after Shabbos Vabanian with the hot summer days, anything and you walk out and going home and where there is an yeshivo and coil and Crown Heights was majority of well, you know, modern Orthodox were a good this style.

People were walking.

They're going for Spazia Chavez afternoon.

You're going home.

It's 5:00.

You're just going home for Suita Chavez and I, I used to say, how can there was such a light, such a powerful gillery taking place and how could a person just be next door in the manner of speaking, and and not to go in Years later, when I went to Russia and I met the guy, you know, I met people who were from Lubavitch, but but from Litrich Klein, I've realized there was a community there.

There was a non religious, which is known, but there was also like religious, like a a man told me battle Torbetto, what's his name?

I met him in Moscow and the Abgeche.

The old hussy used to call him a misnagget.

SO1 private moment while we were there over Rosh Hashanah, Tashim and base.

So I said to him, how are you?

Where are you from?

He said I was born a Lubavitch.

So he says, why did they call you Misnagget?

He said you have the land and didn't and it didn't, he said I went to the Nachacetic school, so there was another, you know, that's.

Existed before.

I, I didn't even as I was thinking when I was in Crown Heights, you know, to our feeling, the whole universe was there.

Deborah was changing the world.

Every word that Deborah was saying, every for bringing was an experience if things happening.

And I say it's accessible to people today as well and the people who experienced it also, you know, you can, you can have withdrawal symptoms or you can just some sometimes it just you know, it, it gets in the back of your memory.

But it was something and it was something effective in Gashmius and Eruchmius in the world.

It with it, it, it changed things.

If you allow it, if you surrender oneself to hearing what the Rebel's saying, then one thing you know you're going to be doing you're a you're going to access your own inner self and B you'll be doing more of what you should be doing than you otherwise would.

So I I heard someone mentioned that Bencher Schempter wrote a letter to your to to your mother-in-law that he never saw the Rabbi Miss Asik in a as much as he was with yours.

You agree with that statement.

I don't know what happened.

Whatever you do him, I'll tell you something, that that letter he, he wrote in his own handwriting in English.

He, he writes.

I have it.

I have to say, I said to all our kids, you know, I've kept it all the years.

It was to my father-in-law and mother-in-law and he Jahman and Rosalind, he said there's and he said I want to speak from my heart.

And that's what I'm writing in England, what he wanted to speak to them.

He spoke English.

Bencher.

Well, you see, he wrote there, It's what you know, Very.

That's one time I had to go.

I was invited to speak to the Sheikh Habad in Israel.

It's about 50 years ago, in the summer.

I wasn't.

There's no school anyway then.

And I asked through the mosque.

I asked orally again.

I asked that ever should I accept the invitation?

And the answer was if you can speak Hebrew in a way they should understand it, accept it.

It didn't.

It didn't work out then, but now I've been to Israel many, many times.

When, when Zoom over the last few years given far Brainians or talks, I always think of that answer.

Drebbe didn't say if you are grammatically correct or if you have nice words or or poetic.

He said if they will understand.

In other words, the main object of a far Brainian is the Turin.

It's what it's what you're saying.

Would they understand what you're saying?

That was the question.

And Rabbi Benchi Shemtev wrote, you can clearly understand his English.

He clear understand it.

And what he wrote was in my 43 years in Lubavitch, I never saw one of the rebellion push osheedu.

I think the word he used was push osheeduch like this one.

Now he also told me that's a champ tip.

You know him from here, from New York, but you know him here in New York.

Benson, I knew.

I knew his sons.

He was a known.

A known figure, you know.

Yeah.

But he told me that he met the rabbit and Khanna, that his mother in the street the day after Ashiddek.

Ashiddek was on a Wednesday.

We met Amachi Shabbos.

The first time I was the assistant head counselor in Ghana, Israel.

I went back to Swan Lake.

That was the first interaction you had with the Deb's mother after the Sheddek.

I yeah, no, I I mean, you know, I mean everyone knows she used to come to her brain and she came to Davening.

I don't remember when the actual first time.

It could be when I came back from England when I had a direct, but dozens of times met her in the street.

You would stop and say something very relevant or she would sit in the front of 1418 president where she lived, like in the summer when it's very warm.

And if you went by, she'd said, well, she'd ask you something about your wife has this, is that whatever?

But she met Rabbi Bentian Shemtev and and he said that she told him what Miki Zaktas is like Ivoroda naganza Shatrin.

They told me that you have become a whole shatrin.

That was the day after Al Sheder, I think, which was Tesai and Thomas.

It was one year minus a day before our wedding.

Yeah.

So that was.

That was some of the bench made the.

It, it, it there were different factors.

The I mean, the first factor was, you know, people would say Jackson, you know, at that time and I I, I was, I was in heaven.

I didn't need anything.

That was that was this was Granadian for me, not just being by the Rebbe every day and Barbarians, but anytime any she came, they usually came to my parents, to my mother, Alaah Shalom, and she would speak to my sisters.

But Jakob, whoever who would know, who wouldn't?

You know, I did didn't come to me.

This one, Rabbi Leyman Minkowitz, whose birthday was yesterday, he was the Khavrisa of Rabbi Avram Jaffe, my brother-in-law, my wife's brother, only brother surviving.

And he went for a walk with me, unlike Boema, and suggested the idea.

What happened was his brother, his khabrusa, had been home for peso and he said to Layman just as a as a khabrusa, just asking for advice.

He says I was home for Peso and my sister.

He's a great citizen person and it it it and it was England in those days.

There's no, you know, the but then whatever he says she's needs a complete total Lubavitch person that could be acceptable to my parents or whatever.

And so Layma mentioned my name.

He had been with me on a perula in Long Island, a wedding in Long Island, and there was a woman that challenged us about being from or about the beliefs and stuff.

I don't remember what it was.

Even a middle-aged woman probably well, you're just a woman like a certain a certain type.

And I answered her, but at the end she said what makes you so sure of yourself?

And Layman was very impressed with with her saying that.

So he told this stuff wrong.

And then he went for a walk with me and it was like Boima that yeah, tough Shin haf base.

And he told me about this world.

Would you consider it?

As I said, look, whatever it comes up, I would give it to my to my mother, I said, but the kind of Yiddish it didn't.

That's the first thing I said.

So she know I would say what you know, where you know.

That was the beginning of it.

So that was the background officially, she looked and went through David Ruskin in those days.

So he's the one that I spoke to directly.

But Bentley Shempton was really was, he was orchestrating the whole thing.

And yeah, and my in laws were not that happy.

My wife was only 18 years old when we met, which we marry a year later.

She was 19, so.

Those days it was common to have done.

Those days it was common to have long engagements.

No, not the rebel was always against long engaged.

Why do you have a long engagement?

And then ever said wait till there's something that's a whole that is a whole story with letters from the rebel when they wrote my father-in-law.

Let's we'll come back to that.

Why was such a long engagement?

But I could also explain it in terms of the norm of that time.

Don't forget she was 18 years old.

She was a teenage bride.

Even at waiting a year, she was only 19.

Anyway, my in laws, even though they were looking for Sheila, for her different, I mean, Bobby, what what was available in Manchester?

I believe you'd be a firm person.

They were firm people.

But you know, there was no question.

There was no La Bovage Bokram in Manchester that I know of.

So they were a little bit worried about it, but Betsy Schemter spoke with them.

My wife, meanwhile, went to the the the Detroit camp where the fellas were.

My sister actually was there and she was coming back about 5 days, six days.

She was coming back for Shabbos and they were travelling back to England on Wednesday on a flight.

So my in laws, my mother-in-law especially was holding, I think he's back.

So she said, OK, you can meet a munchy shop at three days before they're travelling.

So worst times you meet someone, if you ain't just it, it'll come to England in, in, in, in the winter or something to write to each other.

You know that type of arrangement.

You know, mumps and, and writing and meeting nowadays you say Zoom, what's up?

So we met and they were staying by Mendel Shemtev.

That's that was their place where they used to stay on Lefitz Ave.

and.

You wrote to the dabba about meeting her.

Obviously what no, I wrote to I was in camp.

I was their sister in town, so I wrote to the dabba English I I asked you about the top of Nebraskan this Anya but now be frat, should I?

Take an interest in shidurhim and thereby made an arrow with the the IM was crossed out and meant lissanya and whether that particular person was arranged will meet mossy Shabbos.

So I came in for Shabbos.

It was Yubase, Tamas and.

I, I came in just before Shabbos.

I was in camp the whole time, you know, and Matsy Shabbos, it was arranged that we're going to

meet at 10:00 at night.

It's the middle of the summer.

Tom was at, we're going to be at Albany and, and president at

10:00 PM and my brother-in-law is going to take us to the Staten Island Ferry.

And I had nothing.

I was Shabbos Dick.

So he gave me his watch and the $10.00 bill expenses and he dropped us off by the ferry and we went, we talked, whatever, you know, And we, we took the ferry back and then took a taxi for that $10.

In those days, it's worth like $100 today probably, and got

back about 1:00 in the morning to the house, the membership to this house, my mother-in-law says that's gonna see them come

back 1:00 in the morning, whatever.

But that was the first meeting Sunday.

Was the Rebbe's major the big for bringing the weekday for bringing for Ubase Thomas and whoever said the Sikh then about a hosted Islam 10 Sheikh the whole story within about a shab and the interpretation fascinating beautiful tells you what see this is about also and Monday it was arranged.

I'm going back to camp.

As I said, I was assistant at counsellor.

I did things there, but we're going to meet.

We'll meet for one minute.

Your assistant.

Sunday we didn't meet.

Sunday we didn't meet my collar and I, because it was for bringing.

Monday before I go to the bus to Port Authority to go back to Ganya's Row, we'll meet for half hour at Mandel Shempton's house, which we did.

And then I went back to camp and on Tuesday I get a phone call, I don't remember from whom that I have to come in very urgently.

What happened was on Monday that ever said that he wanted to meet my in laws.

My mother-in-law was not well, but my father-in-law went into you hid this and Schwerr went in and that ever said, I was thinking about two possible dates, you know, either Kislev or or or or June.

For Hassan.

No, he, my stress said for engagement there was no Hassan.

So he said we we know him.

Yeah, this is we just met 48 hours before.

He said what's he to do for a living?

That's he asked whatever.

So there was Evasan Alam Tanshik.

It was the day after that, Sika.

Lamplighter.

He'll be a lamplighter.

Yeah.

So and then he asked, he said hello, him, this, that, the other day like that.

It was like a major, a major shock.

So they gave a message to someone that they wanted to meet me.

So the next day, Tuesday and came back in, in, in.

You have no idea what's going on, Who you then you don't know what that episode.

I don't have an idea now with 63 years like I was in camp, they told me you get engaged, you're engaged, you marry you man.

Anyway, so I look, you had people did a lot of homework, you know, even in tambudas, so.

I came in together with Yitzhak.

Suffering Zang is a thing.

We have actually born the same day he was also coming in for a ship.

We compared notes and Tuesday there was at the oil and so we waited till after Mitrev and then and my shred was there also endowing with the rebbes minion Myrif.

And then we went to we walked to Levitz Ave.

to meet and then 'cause the next day, Wednesday, the plane was going back.

It was a chartered flight which my father-in-law was the one who actually arranged it.

So the next day it was going back.

So it had to be done that night to meet.

So we walked back and I said nice, you know, I said look, you know, nice meeting you.

Whatever's going to happen in the end.

Well, all nice people.

And I spent maybe 10 or 15 minutes at Mendel Shempter's house upstairs there with, you know, meeting them and saying hello.

And I'll always remember anything that was said.

And they said go for a walk together.

Imagine a boy in the middle of Crown Heights and we walked without maybe, you know, a a total of maybe 1/2 hour, but we walked down Schenectady or Troy and went into, into Carol.

There's one person that we bumped into.

It was a boy about 12 years old, Moshe Katlowski.

And he was a kind of mine from the day I ever met him.

He was a very, I met him in Kent County as well when he was about 7 years old and he was AI said, who is this kid?

I asked the people there, I wish I didn't know him anything about him because he was, he was there in the office and he was in the youngest bunk, I think where you're saying so young 7-8 year old kid and he's telling them what the how they should be doing, whatever they're running, how they should run differently.

And you can see that he, you know, somebody would have won anyway.

So, and, and then I went back to, oh, that Wednesday morning, Rabakhatakov called me in and he said, they never said that you have to finish it today.

Their plan was that now you've met two or three times, you got you, you know, you know each other a little bit, but that's not a, you know, and it's over three days.

So what you're going to do is you write to each other and then maybe come to England in the it's November, December, and you get engaged.

If it's if everything's going good, then you talk about a wedding, you know, more like a more conventional type of thing.

And Rabba Khadak will call me in and he says, Rabbi says you got to finish it today one way the other, this is it.

So I said 4 words.

I said it's it's totally with Dasak Haidim.

If somebody depends on others, it's not just my decision.

So he said the seder of a Shivakis that a couple meet and if they see that there's something there, they meet each other's parents.

And if they agree as well, you write to the lever for a bracha.

So in other words, you've met you see if she's if if, if you're willing and she's willing.

This all had to be done within an hour or two.

And and and then you asked the lever for a bracha.

So I went to Mendel Shempton's house and I spoke to my soon to be color.

Well, I'd never call by name anyway because I was took us to the Staten Island Ferry.

But he said he introduced us.

He says this is my sister and this is Mindy's brother.

That's how we went to it with no names.

So anyway, and so we talked and decided to spend the rest of your life together and we asked her that, but I told her what the you know, say the what do you think?

And this that the other you had already spoken about main main things about, you know, different different ideas.

Besides, you know, many other things.

Camp.

She was very active in camp in England over those couple of days.

And then the parents met.

My father, Oliver Shalom was in a business meeting.

He couldn't even come that afternoon.

He came later on.

He was the admirer by there.

But but my, I think my uncle, my grandmother came and met.

We met in the Milhagen restaurant, the parents.

On Kingston Ave.

Kingston Ave.

She's now the drugstore.

It's It was owned by Heschel Spitzer.

When he asked that ever he should buy it, that ever asked him is it suitable for a vote or a bar mitzvah?

And he said yes.

Now in the whole history of that restaurant, the nearest thing to a vote was that.

And the nearest thing to mitzvah was his own son's bar mitzvah was there Anyway, so we met there.

I think my uncle came with my mother instead of my father and my mother's brother.

Oh, yeah, yeah, one second.

So Rabbi Khadikov told me.

They say they will be.

She's going to go into Yehidis because there was Yehidis in the afternoon in those days for the guests from England, just before they take the buses back to the airport to go back a minute.

Gezagenzir a minute Yehidis 2 minutes.

So Rabah Khadija said she'll be able to go in with the guests from England and you write it settle when you call this a Reinbragen Ben Gavro le Gavro and I'll take it in between two year citizen.

I said maybe I can go in.

He says no, you're not a you're not a visitor from England.

That's your visitors from England.

So I I had to give it in but I got the mylar of getting an answer Baksaf.

Right.

With the and I write it anytime there's any Lubavitch engagement and I have a chance time to write it, I write Yeh hai bicha Trevor muslahas lebignon a dayat bayes khasidusi uma usha bakoil.

Those are the words.

And she went in and it was the IT was the first time in her life that she was in Yukidis alone.

She always went in only with her parents.

She was 18 then.

And she went in.

She said told me Leah's.

She said that.

She told her that.

I made it my mind.

She didn't say what.

And like I said, he's a very good bucker.

This that whatever told her good things.

And Benzie Schemtuv was in Ganeta Natakten, anticipating everything.

He pulled out of his pocket about Lamaszka, and he pulled out of another pocket, small Kellerskis, little shot glasses.

And he was giving the Higham to people around there with their toxins.

It was 17.

Somebody came in a horse it, but Obama came.

He said, what's going on there?

And they says, you know, there's just an engagement.

Then we went to the airport and so we had AI had a little conversation off there while they're waiting for the plane.

Then we came back.

I think it was all of the coaches.

We went came back to 770 that not when when we when the coach was going the way that rebel was smiling very, very powerfully.

And my mother-in-law, Allah Shalom, Missus Jaffe, Missus Rosalind, told my mother, Allah Shalom.

In England, we don't do it like this.

It's not even been in the Jewish Chronicle.

Did you announce it in the paper?

She's not even been in the Jewish Chronicle.

I didn't give her a ring.

That's what she said.

So my mother said, I got news for you.

We don't do it like that in New York either.

He said this is exceptional.

And that night my father, my father came, came a bit later.

He wasn't there when we met and at Meyer of that night when the rebel came in, he gave a very big mammoth.

His whole face was illuminated smile to my father.

So that was the shiver.

So why was it a year?

And now why was it a year?

My father-in-law said to the rebel that asking the rebel when should the wedding take place, if the rebel will be mesad the Kedushan, we'll wait till next summer when the planes come into America, and if not, we'll make it in England in the winter.

So on that there's a correspondence with several letters.

Some shop a little bit shop.

Didn't they ever stop being with South of the condition?

Yeah, he already stopped Yuchvakov basically.

There were maybe 4 exceptions I think.

So, but your father-in-law knew that.

Your father-in-law knew that there's going to be an exception.

Yeah, yeah.

But yeah.

But that year itself in club based there was an exception.

But from sunken all over Sholin and it was an exception that what happened was there ever said when he wrote to there ever should it be in the winter in England with there ever not being mesalvic condition or in the summer near there being mesalvic condition?

So there ever said the time and place of a wedding is decided by the Mahoutonen and in this case I don't see what's the rush since Missus Daffy feels that she's young and the Hussen, it'll give the Hussen time to complete his studies.

Better to wait till the summer so that that would look like saying OK.

He wrote he connected the two as conditional.

If there others Misanthicus will be in the summer, but then they ever said as far as civic evolution is concerned, a relative got married recently, a few weeks ago.

A few months ago there was a relative and the mesothic evolution was a rob of an ash.

I don't know.

We try to work out.

I don't know who it was and there weren't that many weddings in those days.

Clot the oil was not such a crowd and it was back and forth.

My father-in-law wrote one letter very, very sharp, saying what do you have against me and my wife just 'cause I don't have a beard and my wife doesn't wear shadel, she'd wear hat Michigan.

But she and they are they are 100% yours.

They'll go wherever they represents them.

Whether he said, you know, and he sent the letter off, he hadn't made a copy.

He used to make copy.

All his Diaries were based on letters he sent to whatever.

And my mother-in-law saw the letter and she said it's it's too sharp whatever he wrote like and she's made him write the next day an apology letter, but we didn't have any.

Now a bit of background, which I believe if people say, what's the reason you can't under ever to under try to understand, you can't understand.

And if you do understand, I promise you it's not the whole story.

Look, it says in Tanya the the time in Twitter, whatever time it gives, whatever reason it gives, there's something deeper as well deeper.

But I I want to give a bit of background.

When my father-in-law was being in this Cardiff, it was through a tragedy.

They he came from Gazza Khabad, but they knew Khabad meant with Avalisu Khari and Yetis Kislov is a Yomtev.

So he told me those two things.

There we we just had an article in the head exploring the.

That's right.

Yeah, yeah.

Recently how your father-in-law, Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And so, so that's that was that was a connection, but he became closer and they never told him to become active in the Manchester Best then It's like, it's like the Vader ear, that's what it's called.

And he got involved and they never told him to work on making peace between that Manchester Best then.

And it's it was a whole board like it's it was a whole Varahir and the Mahziki Hadas, which was like the Kharadin.

And there was a lot of tanks to me.

And he succeeded in that.

They had peace and they had coexistence.

Adaya Mazer Manchester's besnas are very from Besden.

It's a good hesha and and but he made that peace between them and he he in order to do that, he was active and eventually he was elected the president of the IT was called the Manchester Schreeter Board.

That's what it was called.

And he was the president.

He he made a chartered flight and brought the wedding over to New York in the hope and anticipation.

But there was no confirmation that there was going to be in the satellite edition and the wedding invitations.

There was going to be a Chavel brokers on Thursday.

The Costner was on Sunday.

Tesvov, Thomas.

And on Thursday, you attest, Thomas, there was going to be a Chevy brachas for the public.

So the the invitation to the Chevy brachas was it was over 300 people there.

It was a big like a wedding with a mahisa with everything.

But when he came to New York, it was a Sunday.

It was Kurdish Thomas Toshin Hav Gimel and the he would always have a hidis as soon as they arrived and then he would have a a longer Yukidis while they were here.

Like this time we hate Tamilis and one before they left.

So when he went in I was Kurdish Tamilis.

That Sunday my father-in-law said to them ever You don't have to answer me now, but you must be Mesabi kidlusion.

He said there's no he he said I cannot justify.

I'm the president of the Board of Deputies of the of the Schreeter Board and there's no way I can justify.

It's a patch and punam to the whole start that I took the wedding out of that city.

The only justification would be because that was going to be in the sound of the condition never didn't answer, but he smiled.

That was with British Thomas Sunday.

Hey Thomas, my wife and I went in.

He said this never told much to learn.

Shaka Dusha.

There's things to learn before the wedding.

There's ten days that were left.

Whoever asked me when are you going to the oil before the house?

I said I'm going.

I said I go.

Everyone used to go.

The whole oil limb went to the oil.

3 * a year.

Thomas, you tried, you'd be Thomas.

And everybody has shown her.

Those are the three times that everybody went with buses and everything.

So I said I'll go, I'll go with everybody.

But it's a union to go and, and on the Airmark Hopper.

And he said if I said yes and and then the Rebel asked me why is the Hopper?

The hopper was supposed to be 7:30 at night or something, 8:00 at night, you know, late.

Why is it so late?

Is the whole not available before So I said I didn't I wasn't part of the arrangement anyway.

So with everything Jose admit the Mahut invented them.

I'll speak with your future father-in-law about it.

And when my father-in-law went in later on, so they're ever told asked why is the so latest Rachmanes on the host and the collar to fast so long.

So my Schwerz said if you'll be mesabric evolution.

They don't mind fasting for two weeks.

So there's some it's not necessary.

He told him to make it earlier

at at 5:00.

I I it could be because on the original invitation it said 5 Shah Khamishias.

Anyway in the Hebrew one in the Hebrew side.

I don't know.

That's again speculating on the reason.

But of course, when Deborah wrote a Piksab, he underlined Bidyuk 5 underlined 5:00 shop.

And it's interesting because the rebel did not without the oil on the day of the wedding and it was 3/15 and the rebel was not back yet from the oil.

And they've always been Mincha

before it was 4:00.

And I, I said you can say the mima at the at the cabal's pondom which was in 7th they.

Never said it's going to sound the condition.

Deborah said that you had to send out a a new invitation to everybody about the change of time and venue of the Hoopa.

And Deborah said it should not mention his name.

They have his name on that.

And you should not take it to the printer.

There was no quick print.

All these things that you have today home, you know, homemade.

You had to go to Rabbi Motl Schusterman, so he did a very, very, very big favour because he had jobs and then every said we're not allowed to go to him before Thursday.

That's your base, Thomas.

Sunday is the wedding, so you have to print a revised invitation and send it out.

It should reach everybody in New York and then wherever it is before Shabbos, they should know not to come to the Hopper in Glendale Jewish Centre at at 7:00 at night, right?

And so you're waiting and.

We had a a a a separate.

We are pleased to tell you of the following changes.

So, so back to the house.

So it's the cabal's pandem, and your father must have the.

Same with the 770 and then it it

so it was already 4:00 four and my stress to say the MIMA everything went on.

It's all on tape by the way, they made it tape.

My brother-in-law made tape even of the Hooper, and it was then about 4:45 and my Schwarz said to Rabbi Khadikov, we have to go.

And he, Rabbi Khadikov said the rebel is not back from the oil.

And when he comes back, it's unprecedented that the rebel should have a Hooper before Mincha.

The first thing the rebel does when he comes back is Davis Mincha.

He comes back from the oil.

My father-in-law said the ribbon said 5:00 and he underlined it twice.

I think it's about 5:00 to 5:00 or 4 minutes to five.

Rabbi Kurinsky drives up with the car, quickly parks, the ribbon goes out and the meanwhile, everyone, the hook is set up and everyone's ready, ready.

You know, everything's all set to start and Rabbi and the rabbit told Rabba Khadkov, we the hoop is 1st and it was started 459 and 60 seconds.

The deal.

Exactly the deal.

It's like exactly.

It's interesting because 7 minutes after the Hoopa ended, it was a beautiful sunny day.

There was a downpour which lasted for about maybe 1/2 hour just after the Hoopa.

And so there ever said now you want the the Der Hateva On Wednesday night there was a Tummim getting married now by labour of the lovers alumni of forced labour of Kariva in Montreal.

And there's so many different things mixed together here.

And he had wanted that he had no father.

There was his father now he was, they were in Yechidis the same night because the wedding was going to be, there was no Yechidis until then, probably on, on, on.

It was going to be on Jura Aleph Thomas Wednesday, four days before our wedding.

And the Khala was a Borough Park girl and they the they had, there was a brother who was a little bit like like a little bit like going his own way.

And they asked Thereba what to do.

And Thereba said invite Shmur Liu to the wedding and introduce him to your son and tell him that me to invite that son, Khala's brother to my wedding on Sunday and which which I did and they did.

It was you know, it was there's so many sensitivities involved here.

And I and so we were at and and label was at my wedding.

They when they pick me up on the shoulders, they pick him up also to Kasanam at the wedding and he made General Kasat our wedding labour for Lubbock and and in in the wedding pictures.

Is that bacha that brother whenever you know, but then everything you can you're not going to I went to by Michael Schwitzerman.

He said, I said they never said what?

And he did it.

I I you know, he he he was 100% in his rights to say yeah, that you can't.

I have, you know, I have a I've got a whole backlog here.

Yeah.

And either OK, so we can continue talking the whole day and night for many days.

So much more, Yeah, He can go down the avenue, each of these things.

But I want to, no, I want to conclude that I mean the Rebbe had so much, I would call it investment.

So much.

Investment in you and your msbaka and what what does that mean for you and what does it mean for all the pseudem that that that hear, hear about it?

What?

What do you think?

I mean, this is very, you know, here is a kid this I had which haunts me and I said like when they ever told me off and not learning as I could in the quail wasting, you know, I don't remember how he how he got on to the top.

By the way, whenever I was in Euchidis with my wife in those days, the rebel would speak in English.

There were two exceptions.

One was this one I'm going to tell you about and one was the night before we went on to Lychus.

But the the rebel would speak in English exclusive to my wife.

Sometimes he asked something and I would answer in Yiddish and that would trans.

And so since you said he, Deborah, would translate what I said into English for the benefit of my wife, but here they never spoke only in Yiddish and it told me off very strongly.

And he said Tsuga's of the Cheray said I promised you father all that you're going to become this that you know, I remember like London, all the different things that you're going to be.

And then they said Ich can manage me too Soggin.

That was the third time when they never told me.

It depends on you.

So I can only promise.

It's an interesting sentence.

What do you mean?

I can only promise if they ever promises.

But the Bahira is never taken away.

You have to remember at the end of the day, your life is yours.

The the the the Moshe Labenu, the Rebbe, Moshe Abechabe Labenu.

It's got the whole Cedric.

It's about what you do and if you those quotas are there, you don't think no one and they never said ich these words.

Ich can Manish with Swizogen.

I can only promise.

In other words, depends what you're going to do with it.

It's not it's not just a once off, by the way, It's your whole life, every day.

There are probably several or countless opportunities in everyone's life.

We just have to make a choice.

Macheva Debo and Misa and all.

And you get the chorus, Mel Mila.

But it can manage with Suzogen.

Everybody can promise and can give it, but he's promising that you have that potential.

Live it.

And I, I was in a state of shock.

In fact, soon we can marry he this my wife says.

What was he talking about in Yiddish there?

So I said he's telling me that I'm not learning.

There was a report that you weren't learning.

What?

There was a report that you weren't learning.

Was it was it was somebody reported to there, but obviously, you know, you didn't have to be a genius.

You know, anyway, so and and I just stood.

You know, I don't know what what I what I should have said, but they never said von Dineschweigen with Ganesh veteran.

He told me your silence will achieve nothing.

Those are the words von Dine Schweiger with garnished wedding.

Indeed, it was about 40 years before I even told over that story.

That's from the you know, I I got a whole podcast of of which which which which I I don't take at first choice what to say.

But you asked what do you feel when I'm, when I'm, when I'm feeling the way I should be feeling and not Schweigen, the Mendel Furtivas is interesting.

Told me after her after her Zion order.

And he was in yeshiva in London and he was forbidden.

I was there.

He told me to speak in English.

I I should speak in front of Mendel Furtivas in the in the term it's me, ma'am.

And I couldn't.

And he, he told me off really very, very sharp then.

But then I met him privately a few days later and he said, now is the time that you don't hear the Rebbe's voice.

We have to talk.

We have to be the Rebbe's voice.

You've got to you know, you're going to talk to What I do when I'm doing what I think I'm supposed to be doing is to try to share, even though it's sometimes they're very personal and and and intimate memories and recollections, but I feel that let somebody else take it and run with it and and and use it.

So whatever any no one could live up that ever was perfect as that ever look look amongst herbane low vocation, no way predictable close.

He like there's a siege of that ever about about Moshe Rebeiner said I need a Daya that they have a hay like in the in the coven and in pastas Quedac.

I know that they have a a chair in the coven comet and they tell the ambition don't take it.

And why do they have a share?

It would have to be given over Moiso Jova Jova, and that's a new idea.

Moisture been knows that besides the community that each individual has a role they can play and each individual should play that role and should be doing what they're supposed to be doing.

And and so I feel that by sharing the positive, focusing on the 612 that whatever's there, I can help other people.

I can't think around, you know, I'm not the consequence is not what's important.

The important thing is what can I do today?

This is this is my lifetime.

And if I can do something which can help somebody to be what they're supposed to be, that's what I'm supposed to do.

And that somebody, it's not just me.

I'm, I'm in the hinder of high school kids.

I tell that to 13 year olds and 12 year olds and 15.

They said I have a sibling who's this, that I said your behaviour can make a difference.

Every person you know, by taking themselves seriously in, in the, in the in the happy way can feel empowered and can really make a difference.

So that's and and that's how we bring Bashir.

It's like step by step, the pieces are falling into place with all the problems, with all the issues outside and inside whatever, one can see that things are happening.

We don't have to write the whole script exactly how and when and what, but it's happening.

And that's how we're bringing Mashiach you.

Can't thank you very much.